#1024-rework service available
Hi all, some users of Neo Freerunner devices have experienced a limited standby time if the GSM modem goes to the deepest sleep mode. This became known as the #1024 bug, because that was the number it got in the bug tracker (https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024). The software workaround was to disable sleep mode 4 as the default. Although there is a description of a hardware rework solution (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2009-May/001192.html ) we do not expect that you can do it yourself. Therefore, we have worked on a professional approach. With the help of a local SMD specialist company in Munich, Golden Delicious Computers can now offer a rework service to those who really suffer from this problem. Price is 45 EUR (incl. German VAT of 19%). If you combine with the Buzz-Rework (for A5 and A6 versions only) it is 75 EUR. And there is a rebate for groups of 5 or 10 units. http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=1024-Rework Nikolaus Conditions • This service is for the EU harmonized market only (sorry for Norway Switzerland) • Customer will send in, get rework and get the device sent back within approx. two weeks • The 2 way shipping cost will be covered by the customer. • When choosing a parcel service, please choose one that allows you to track your parcel since we are not responsible for incoming parcels. For German customers we recommend Hermes-Versand and for UK Royal Mail. • Please pack carefully, but just the Neo Freerunner (without battery, battery cover, headset, pouch, stylus, SIM card, SDcard etc.). We are not responsible for lost accessories - only for the device. We strongly recommend to use the original black box. • In the rare case that we damage your device, you will get a fresh Neo Freerunner (but your data is lost). • If you have several Freerunners to rework, please add as many Reworks as you want to the shopping cart. This will reduce shipment cost compared to several single shipments. And, we offer a volume discount to encourage group buys (5: 5%; 10: 10%; 50: 15%). Rebates are automatically shown in the shopping cart. Important notes • After payment is done, please follow the Rework Instructions (http://www.handheld-linux.com/images/Instructions.pdf ) • Please note that we can handle this service only for customers in the EU harmonized market because temporary import/export is too complicated if we want to avoid that you (or we) have to pay again the import tax for your original Freerunner. • This is not a Bass-Fix: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix How to test if my devices works or needs rework • obtain a command line (e.g. ssh from outside) • open /usr/bin/mickeyterm • type these commands (one after the other) AT+CFUN? AT+CFUN=1 --- only if CFUN? does not report 1 AT+CPIN=insert your pin AT%SLEEP=4 AT%CSQ=1 AT+CREG=2 AT+COPS=0,0 • wait some minutes. If you see +CREG: 0 and/or %CSQ: 99, 99, 0 your device is recamping. here a good device: +CREG: 2 +CREG: 1,033F,5BC4 %CSQ: 13, 99, 1 %CSQ: 7, 99, 0 %CSQ: 10, 99, 1 +CREG: 1,033F,2992 %CSQ: 18, 99, 2 %CSQ: 15, 99, 1 and here a bad device: +CREG: 2 +CREG: 1,033F,2992 %CSQ: 15, 99, 1 +CREG: 0 %CSQ: 99, 99, 0 +CREG: 1,033F,2992 %CSQ: 18, 99, 2 +CREG: 0 %CSQ: 99, 99, 0 +CREG: 1,033F,2992 %CSQ: 17, 99, 1 +CREG: 0 Mobile Office Solutions by Golden Delicious Computers GmbHCo. KG Buchenstr. 3 D-82041 Oberhaching +49-89-54290367 http://www.handheld-linux.com AG München, HRA 89571 VAT DE253626266 Komplementär: Golden Delicious Computers Verwaltungs GmbH Oberhaching, AG München, HRB 16602 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Nikolaus Schaller Digital Tools for Independent People ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ericsson releases free cell-id lookup API
Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote: https://labs.ericsson.com/apis/mobile-location/documentation/cell-id-look-up-api Limited to 100 requests per day. Perhaps I'm getting the syntax wrong (made sure to use hex like their example does) but when I tried to compare it to cells in the openmoko cellid databases, I got back 404 - The requested resource () is not available. According to the API that means the cellid was not in the database. you would get a 400 if the parameters were wrong. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QtMoko] Running applications thrue ssh
Hello list! I have a problem running any application thru ssh. I run this set of commands: $ ssh -X r...@moko neo:~# source /opt/qtmoko/qpe.env neo:/root# export DISPLAY=localhost:10 But when I run any application in /opt/qtmoko/bin, I'm getting an output to the FR screen. Is there any any possibility to get output to the desktop screen? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] Running applications thrue ssh
El día Thursday, October 22, 2009 a las 10:56:30AM +0400, Gmail escribió: Hello list! I have a problem running any application thru ssh. I run this set of commands: $ ssh -X r...@moko neo:~# source /opt/qtmoko/qpe.env neo:/root# export DISPLAY=localhost:10 But when I run any application in /opt/qtmoko/bin, I'm getting an output to the FR screen. Is there any any possibility to get output to the desktop screen? You should not set $DISPLAY when using -X in ssh, the sshd will set it for you correctly: $ ssh -X r...@moko Warning: untrusted X11 forwarding setup failed: xauth key data not generated Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding. r...@om-gta02:~# echo $DISPLAY localhost:10.0 r...@om-gta02:~# xterm Warning: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C Warning: X locale modifiers not supported, using default Failed to open input method and the xterm window comes up on my FreeBSD desktop; HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ Vote NO to EU The Lisbon Treaty: http://www.no-means-no.eu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] Running applications thrue ssh
Maybe I'm wrong but I think qtmoko apps are running directly on frambuffer so no X, so you can't export your nonexisting X trough ssh, Maybe you can do that on the apps running under QtX like TangoGPS , at least it works fine with x11vnc David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! 2009/10/22 Gmail forin...@gmail.com: Hello list! I have a problem running any application thru ssh. I run this set of commands: $ ssh -X r...@moko neo:~# source /opt/qtmoko/qpe.env neo:/root# export DISPLAY=localhost:10 But when I run any application in /opt/qtmoko/bin, I'm getting an output to the FR screen. Is there any any possibility to get output to the desktop screen? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Desktop based on openbox and idesk
Am Donnerstag 22 Oktober 2009 07:57:15 schrieb Matthias Huber: Thomas Zimmermann schrieb: Am Mittwoch 21 Oktober 2009 22:35:38 schrieb ajvogel: Thomas Zimmermann wrote: To build the whole feed you have to download about 6 GByte of Sourcepackages. Just for 1 package it won't be that much, perhaps about 2 GByte. And during build it will connect several times to some git servers. Unfortunately thats more than I have available. :( and that rules me out for trying to get openbox/idesk in the feeds. Looks like our only hope is, that one of the shr-devs that already have an environment setup help with the compilation and packaging. Anybody? I can help you, no problem with that. But i don't know either openbox nor idesk, so all patches must be provided by you. And testing also has to be done by you. very good, thank you. there is only one patch for openbox, idesk runs out of the box. how do we now ? Send me all information for the recipe, or better a recipe and the needed patch. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian/fso] zhone+fso-abyss: some log snippets
Where did you get the libgee1 package from? he probably installed it when it was still there ;) 1. Discover snapshot.debian.net :) 2. Updated fso-usaged package will be in archive later today. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Increasing GPS accuracy with EGNOS
On Wednesday 21 October 2009, Ed Kapitein wrote:
Baruch Even wrote:
SNIP
I found this in the source of ogpsd on my Freerunner:
def initializeDevice( self ):
# Use high sensitivity mode
#self.send(CFG-RXM, 2, {gps_mode : 2, lp_mode : 0})
# Enable use of SBAS (even in testmode)
self.send(CFG-SBAS, 8, {mode : 1, usage : 7, maxsbas : 3,
scanmode : 0})
So it seems that SBAS has always been enabled even in test mode. Does
anybody know where we can get information if sbas is really active and
used by the chip?
The comment is wrong, the mode value of 1 means that it uses SBAS but
not if its in test mode. The comment is a left over from the time the
value was 3, but then the whole line was commented out.
You can get SBAS status messages if you set it in the debug interface
with: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogpsd /org/freedesktop/Gypsy
org.freesmartphone.GPS.UBX.SetDebugFilter NAV-SBAS True
and then listen to the signals with:
mdbus -l -s rg.freesmartphone.ogpsd /org/freedesktop/Gypsy
Look for DebugPacket signals.
I tried it for other signals, didn't have time yet to test if it works
for NAV-SBAS.
Baruch
I did to enable the debug packet and although i was receiving data from
PRN120, i never got any
NAV-SBAS packets in the debug output.
Acording to [1] it should be enabled in the framework, so i am wondering if
anyone had more luck than me.
I found the same as you, but probably forgot to report it. I believe the
reason is that by default the NAV-SBAS messages aren't enabled, and we don't
explicitly enable them in configuration. I didn't get round to checking the
message format required to enable it though.
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Re: Ericsson releases free cell-id lookup API
El Thursday, 22 de October de 2009 06:19:45 Baruch Even va escriure: The main limitation of such APIs is that you have to be online to use them, so you must use a GPRS connection to get your location. openbmap-locator can work offline as well. It Also has bad data.I've tested it for some cells in my neighbourhood look like I'm teleported 481km North-West and the cell area has a radius of 3.3 km ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: On touch gps to sms
Kosa wrote: Hi there! I kindda need to write an app to turn the gps on, wait for the gps to have 1.0 HDOP send the coordenates through an sms and turn the gps of. I first wanted to ask if anyone did that already. I think it would be prety easy as gps can be turned on and off using python, an there's a python script to send sms too, right? it would be nice for this to work the other way too. eg, receive a SMS with GPS coordinates in, and have a 'show on map' or 'set way point button'. sam ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR] TangoGPS
Hi I saw that tangogps 0.9.7 was released a little while ago. But the most recent version i can find for openmoko is 0.9.5. does anyone know if there is a new package around somewhere, or what would been needed to be done to make one? thanks sam ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] TangoGPS
shr has 0.9.6 in repo: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg list |grep tangogps tangogps - 0.9.6-r1 - tangoGPS is a map and GPS application using Openstreetmap tangogps-dbg - 0.9.6-r1 - tangoGPS is a map and GPS application using Openstreetmap tangogps-dev - 0.9.6-r1 - tangoGPS is a map and GPS application using Openstreetmap tangogps-locale-bg - 0.9.6-r1 - bg translation for tangogps tangogps-locale-cs - 0.9.6-r1 - cs translation for tangogps tangogps-locale-de - 0.9.6-r1 - de translation for tangogps tangogps-locale-fi - 0.9.6-r1 - fi translation for tangogps tangogps-locale-fr - 0.9.6-r1 - fr translation for tangogps tangogps-locale-ru - 0.9.6-r1 - ru translation for tangogps I've added a ticked to the track for 0.9.7 y On 10/22/09, sam tygier samtyg...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi I saw that tangogps 0.9.7 was released a little while ago. But the most recent version i can find for openmoko is 0.9.5. does anyone know if there is a new package around somewhere, or what would been needed to be done to make one? thanks sam ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian/fso] zhone+fso-abyss: some log snippets
Where did you get the libgee1 package from? well, i'd say, it never went away. as long as there are dependencies on it, upgrade won't remove it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
My python + e program freeze after suspend
Hi! I have written a small application, it uses plain python and elementary and edje bindings. No dbus. My problem, is when the phone goes back from suspend, it works only partially. The callbacks works, buttons works. But the elementary.Entry seems like it freezed, ie. I cant delete chars from it, or add to it. So it freezed partially. It happens every time after suspend. Do somebody have any idea? Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Desktop based on openbox and idesk
Thomas Zimmermann schrieb:
Send me all information for the recipe, or better a recipe and the needed
patch.
Here we go,
wenn noch was nicht stimmt, bitte Rückmeldung an mich,
werd's korrigieren und auf neuere Versionen schauen.
Viele Grüße,
Matze
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Tel: 08238-7998
LPI000181125
1207a1208,1212
/* matz changed */
wattrib.width = 480;
wattrib.height = 640;
/* end matz changed */
1633,1635c1638,1640
SIZE_SET(self-base_size, -1, -1);
SIZE_SET(self-min_size, 0, 0);
SIZE_SET(self-max_size, G_MAXINT, G_MAXINT);
---
SIZE_SET(self-base_size, 480, 590);
SIZE_SET(self-min_size, 480, 550);
SIZE_SET(self-max_size, 480, 640);
1658c1663,1664
SIZE_SET(self-min_size, size.min_width, size.min_height);
---
/* SIZE_SET(self-min_size, size.min_width, size.min_height); */
SIZE_SET(self-min_size, 480, 550);
1661c1667,1668
SIZE_SET(self-max_size, size.max_width, size.max_height);
---
/*SIZE_SET(self-max_size, size.max_width, size.max_height); */
SIZE_SET(self-max_size, 480, 640);
1664c1671,1672
SIZE_SET(self-base_size, size.base_width, size.base_height);
---
/*SIZE_SET(self-base_size, size.base_width, size.base_height); */
SIZE_SET(self-base_size, 480, 550);
351,352c351,352
hints.min_width = hints.max_width = w;
hints.min_height = hints.max_height = h;
---
hints.min_width = hints.max_width = w = 480;
hints.min_height = hints.max_height = h = 640;
361,362c361,362
req.width = w;
req.height = h;
---
req.width = w = 480;
req.height = h = 640;
DESCRIPTION = idesk
AUTHOR = Anibal Avelar [FixXxer Home] (avelar gmail.com): New Upstream.
Porting to Imlib2 and new features (like background, menu, tooltip, etc). Tim
Finley (timmfin timmfin.net): Old upstream retired now.
PN = idesk
DEPENDS = imlib2 libimlib2-filters libimlib2-loaders
PROVIDES += windowmanager/desktoplauncher
HOMEPAGE_URL=http://idesk.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page;
SRC_URI =
http://sourceforge.net/projects/idesk/files/idesk/idesk-0.7.5/idesk-0.7.5.tar.bz2/download;
S = ${WORKDIR}/idesk-0.7.5
DESCRIPTION = openbox configuration program
AUTHOR = icculus.org/openbox
PN = obconf
DEPENDS = openbox
PROVIDES += windowmanager/openbox/configuration
HOMEPAGE_URL=http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/ObConf:About;
SRC_URI = http://icculus.org/openbox/obconf/obconf-2.0.3.tar.gz;
S = ${WORKDIR}/obconf-2.0.3
DESCRIPTION = openbox minimalistic window manager
AUTHOR = icculus.org
PN = openbox
DEPENDS =
PROVIDES += windowmanager/openbox
HOMEPAGE_URL=http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Main_Page;
SRC_URI = http://icculus.org/openbox/releases/openbox-3.4.7.tar.gz;
S = ${WORKDIR}/openbox-3.4.7.2
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Re: [SHR] TangoGPS
2009/10/22 sam tygier samtyg...@yahoo.co.uk Hi I saw that tangogps 0.9.7 was released a little while ago. But the most recent version i can find for openmoko is 0.9.5. does anyone know if there is a new package around somewhere, or what would been needed to be done to make one? thanks sam ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community There was an answer: -- Forwarded message -- From: Thomas Zimmermann zimmerm...@vdm-design.de Date: 2009/9/22 Subject: Re: [Shr-User] tangogps 0.9.7 release To: community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org Am Dienstag 22 September 2009 11:33:34 schrieb Robin Paulson: 2009/9/22 Marcus Bauer marcus.ba...@gmail.com: First of all thanks for the many positive emails I got over the last months, motivating me to bring a new release of tangoGPS to the coolest open hardware gadget on earth - the openmoko phone. excellent work, marcus. looking forward to using it is there a binary for openmoko? shr devs, could you get the new version in the repos? cheers It's build but it can't be sync to the feed. The package can be found here: http://build.shr- project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/feed/armv4t/tangogps_0.9.7-r1_armv4t.ipk -- Marcin Ćwikła jahckal Marie von Ebner-Eschenbachhttp://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/marie_von_ebnereschenbac.html - Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Desktop based on openbox and idesk
4ae03f56.1030...@wollishausen.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Herr Huber=2C =20 K=F6nnen Sie auf English antworten=2C bitte? =20 Vielleicht sind anderen auch interessiert. =20 Vielen Dank=2C =20 Niels =3B-) -- Microsoft gives you windows=2C Linux gives you the whole house. Date: Thu=2C 22 Oct 2009 13:17:42 +0200 From: matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Desktop based on openbox and idesk Thomas Zimmermann schrieb: Send me all information for the recipe=2C or better a recipe and the need= ed patch. Here we go=2C wenn noch was nicht stimmt=2C bitte R=FCckmeldung an mich=2C werd's korrigieren und auf neuere Versionen schauen. Viele Gr=FC=DFe=2C Matze -- Mit freundlichen Gr=FCssen Matthias Huber Kohlstattstr. 14 86459 Wollishausen Tel: 08238-7998 LPI000181125 =20 _ De nieuwe Windows 7: vind de juiste pc voor jou. Meer informatie. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop= ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] TangoGPS
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 13:23 +0200, jahckal wrote: 2009/10/22 sam tygier samtyg...@yahoo.co.uk Hi I saw that tangogps 0.9.7 was released a little while ago. But the most recent version i can find for openmoko is 0.9.5. does anyone know if there is a new package around somewhere, or what would been needed to be done to make one? thanks sam ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community There was an answer: -- Forwarded message -- From: Thomas Zimmermann zimmerm...@vdm-design.de Date: 2009/9/22 Subject: Re: [Shr-User] tangogps 0.9.7 release To: community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org Am Dienstag 22 September 2009 11:33:34 schrieb Robin Paulson: 2009/9/22 Marcus Bauer marcus.ba...@gmail.com: First of all thanks for the many positive emails I got over the last months, motivating me to bring a new release of tangoGPS to the coolest open hardware gadget on earth - the openmoko phone. excellent work, marcus. looking forward to using it is there a binary for openmoko? shr devs, could you get the new version in the repos? cheers It's build but it can't be sync to the feed. The package can be found here: http://build.shr- project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/feed/armv4t/tangogps_0.9.7-r1_armv4t.ipk I am building shr-unstable locally and tried 9.7 when it first came out - often crashed when changing between certain resolutions. Not sure if it was the -r1 version or if that has fixed the problem? It is in the shr-u builds I did yesterday (which killed my FR when trying to upgrade so went back to what I have before :( anyone able to says 9.7-r1 is stable on shr-u? I have it on my gentoo desktop and that runs fine. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] TangoGPS
Am Donnerstag 22 Oktober 2009 13:33:22 schrieb William Kenworthy: I am building shr-unstable locally and tried 9.7 when it first came out - often crashed when changing between certain resolutions. Not sure if it was the -r1 version or if that has fixed the problem? It is in the shr-u builds I did yesterday (which killed my FR when trying to upgrade so went back to what I have before :( anyone able to says 9.7-r1 is stable on shr-u? I have it on my gentoo desktop and that runs fine. BillK I played a bit around with it, but not much. For me no crash with 0.9.7-r2. r1 was without the zoom fix patch. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OT Re: Desktop based on openbox and idesk
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:30:30 +0200, Niels Heyvaert nielsheyva...@hotmail.com wrote: 4ae03f56.1030...@wollishausen.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Herr Huber=2C =20 K=F6nnen Sie auf English antworten=2C bitte? =20 Vielleicht sind anderen auch interessiert. =20 Vielen Dank=2C =20 Niels =3B-) any chance, you could fix your mail client, eventually? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Desktop based on openbox and idesk
Niels Heyvaert schrieb: 4ae03f56.1030...@wollishausen.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Herr Huber=2C =20 K=F6nnen Sie auf English antworten=2C bitte? =20 Vielleicht sind anderen auch interessiert. =20 Vielen Dank=2C =20 Niels =3B-) -- Microsoft gives you windows=2C Linux gives you the whole house. Date: Thu=2C 22 Oct 2009 13:17:42 +0200 From: matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Desktop based on openbox and idesk Thomas Zimmermann schrieb: Send me all information for the recipe=2C or better a recipe and the need= ed patch. Here we go=2C wenn noch was nicht stimmt=2C bitte R=FCckmeldung an mich=2C werd's korrigieren und auf neuere Versionen schauen. Viele Gr=FC=DFe=2C I am Sorry for that, i wanted to write only Thomas Zimmermann, because there were simply this files in the mail, and did use the reply - knob, insted of explicitly giving his address and got the list. I apologize. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT Re: Desktop based on openbox and idesk
Am Donnerstag, den 22.10.2009, 13:50 +0200 schrieb arne anka: On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:30:30 +0200, Niels Heyvaert nielsheyva...@hotmail.com wrote: 4ae03f56.1030...@wollishausen.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Herr Huber=2C =20 K=F6nnen Sie auf English antworten=2C bitte? =20 Vielleicht sind anderen auch interessiert. =20 Vielen Dank=2C =20 Niels =3B-) any chance, you could fix your mail client, eventually? Oh. Didn't read this in the first place, I already sent a mail to Niels asking for exactly that. Sorry, Niels! -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] TangoGPS
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 13:44 +0200, Thomas Zimmermann wrote: Am Donnerstag 22 Oktober 2009 13:33:22 schrieb William Kenworthy: I am building shr-unstable locally and tried 9.7 when it first came out - often crashed when changing between certain resolutions. Not sure if it was the -r1 version or if that has fixed the problem? It is in the shr-u builds I did yesterday (which killed my FR when trying to upgrade so went back to what I have before :( anyone able to says 9.7-r1 is stable on shr-u? I have it on my gentoo desktop and that runs fine. BillK I played a bit around with it, but not much. For me no crash with 0.9.7-r2. r1 was without the zoom fix patch. ___ Yep, Ive got -r2 available ... it wants to pull in pixman as well so I'll take a backup before trying it - tomorrow as that takes an hour (and even more to reflash :) and I need a phone working tonight ... BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Wikireader] Any news on Wikireader ?
Hello, The (very interesting, IMHO) Wikireader product has been launched about 2 weeks ago, but still i don't see any information about hardware and software (IE we don't know if there is a Linux kernel in it, or not), and/or how it will be hackable by the community. It's there any news somewhere on the net, or when you at OpenMoko plan to discover these (important) informations? Thank you so much for your attention :-) -- Andrea ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: On touch gps to sms
Kosa wrote: Hi there! I kindda need to write an app to turn the gps on, wait for the gps to have 1.0 HDOP send the coordenates through an sms and turn the gps of. I first wanted to ask if anyone did that already. I think it would be prety easy as gps can be turned on and off using python, an there's a python script to send sms too, right? it would be nice for this to work the other way too. eg, receive a SMS with GPS coordinates in, and have a 'show on map' or 'set way point button'. apparently you can communicate to Navit via dbus Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT Re: Desktop based on openbox and idesk
arne anka schrieb: On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:30:30 +0200, Niels Heyvaert nielsheyva...@hotmail.com wrote: 4ae03f56.1030...@wollishausen.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Herr Huber=2C =20 K=F6nnen Sie auf English antworten=2C bitte? =20 Vielleicht sind anderen auch interessiert. =20 Vielen Dank=2C =20 Niels =3B-) Help me, please, its thunderbird 2.0.23 i often click on reply, but there is a reply-to header to the list. and in other cases there is the list as cc: in it, there is needed to click reply all ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT Re: Desktop based on openbox and idesk
Help me, please, its thunderbird 2.0.23 i often click on reply, but there is a reply-to header to the list. and in other cases there is the list as cc: in it, there is needed to click reply all depends on the lust, you'rte replying to and the relgious belief of the list's maintainer: there are those who belive, a reply-to to the list is evil and there are those, who don't. and as usual with religious fanatics fighting evil, you'd better humor them ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Wikireader] Any news on Wikireader ?
Hi, Have a look to http://github.com/wikireader/ -- Mickael -= Apertum =- a écrit : Hello, The (very interesting, IMHO) Wikireader product has been launched about 2 weeks ago, but still i don't see any information about hardware and software (IE we don't know if there is a Linux kernel in it, or not), and/or how it will be hackable by the community. It's there any news somewhere on the net, or when you at OpenMoko plan to discover these (important) informations? Thank you so much for your attention :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: #1024-rework service available
Am 22.10.2009 um 12:48 schrieb George Brooke: On Thursday 22 Oct 2009 07:16:59 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Hi all, some users of Neo Freerunner devices have experienced a limited standby time if the GSM modem goes to the deepest sleep mode. This became known as the #1024 bug, because that was the number it got in the bug tracker (https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024). The software workaround was to disable sleep mode 4 as the default. Although there is a description of a hardware rework solution (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2009-May/ 001192.html ) we do not expect that you can do it yourself. Therefore, we have worked on a professional approach. With the help of a local SMD specialist company in Munich, Golden Delicious Computers can now offer a rework service to those who really suffer from this problem. Price is 45 EUR (incl. German VAT of 19%). If you combine with the Buzz-Rework (for A5 and A6 versions only) it is 75 EUR. And there is a rebate for groups of 5 or 10 units. http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=1024-Rework Nikolaus Conditions • This service is for the EU harmonized market only (sorry for Norway Switzerland) • Customer will send in, get rework and get the device sent back within approx. two weeks • The 2 way shipping cost will be covered by the customer. • When choosing a parcel service, please choose one that allows you to track your parcel since we are not responsible for incoming parcels. For German customers we recommend Hermes-Versand and for UK Royal Mail. • Please pack carefully, but just the Neo Freerunner (without battery, battery cover, headset, pouch, stylus, SIM card, SDcard etc.). We are not responsible for lost accessories - only for the device. We strongly recommend to use the original black box. • In the rare case that we damage your device, you will get a fresh Neo Freerunner (but your data is lost). • If you have several Freerunners to rework, please add as many Reworks as you want to the shopping cart. This will reduce shipment cost compared to several single shipments. And, we offer a volume discount to encourage group buys (5: 5%; 10: 10%; 50: 15%). Rebates are automatically shown in the shopping cart. Important notes • After payment is done, please follow the Rework Instructions (http://www.handheld-linux.com/images/Instructions.pdf ) • Please note that we can handle this service only for customers in the EU harmonized market because temporary import/export is too complicated if we want to avoid that you (or we) have to pay again the import tax for your original Freerunner. • This is not a Bass-Fix: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix How to test if my devices works or needs rework • obtain a command line (e.g. ssh from outside) • open /usr/bin/mickeyterm • type these commands (one after the other) AT+CFUN? AT+CFUN=1 --- only if CFUN? does not report 1 AT+CPIN=insert your pin AT%SLEEP=4 AT%CSQ=1 AT+CREG=2 AT+COPS=0,0 • wait some minutes. If you see +CREG: 0 and/or %CSQ: 99, 99, 0 your device is recamping. here a good device: +CREG: 2 +CREG: 1,033F,5BC4 %CSQ: 13, 99, 1 %CSQ: 7, 99, 0 %CSQ: 10, 99, 1 +CREG: 1,033F,2992 %CSQ: 18, 99, 2 %CSQ: 15, 99, 1 and here a bad device: +CREG: 2 +CREG: 1,033F,2992 %CSQ: 15, 99, 1 +CREG: 0 %CSQ: 99, 99, 0 +CREG: 1,033F,2992 %CSQ: 18, 99, 2 +CREG: 0 %CSQ: 99, 99, 0 +CREG: 1,033F,2992 %CSQ: 17, 99, 1 +CREG: 0 Do you need to enable deep sleep mode before doing the test? I think the command AT%SLEEP=4 enables the deep sleep of the modem. Also is this a time-limited service? No, we offer it as long as there is demand. Well, nobody knows what we can provide in 10 or 20 years :) And if we extrapolate technology innovation you probably won't be interested then... solar.george ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Desktop based on openbox and idesk
Am Donnerstag 22 Oktober 2009 13:17:42 schrieb Matthias Huber: Thomas Zimmermann schrieb: Send me all information for the recipe, or better a recipe and the needed patch. Here we go, wenn noch was nicht stimmt, bitte Rückmeldung an mich, werd's korrigieren und auf neuere Versionen schauen. Viele Grüße, Matze Ok, i commited openbox and obconf. It builds and packages are avaible at tests/mrmoku/unstable feed: http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/feed/armv4t/ Do not do opkg upgrade from this feed if you do not know what it is! idesk does not build, because of some problems with imlib2, have to look a bit deeper into it. Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: On touch gps to sms
sam tygier escribió: Kosa wrote: Hi there! I kindda need to write an app to turn the gps on, wait for the gps to have 1.0 HDOP send the coordenates through an sms and turn the gps of. I first wanted to ask if anyone did that already. I think it would be prety easy as gps can be turned on and off using python, an there's a python script to send sms too, right? it would be nice for this to work the other way too. eg, receive a SMS with GPS coordinates in, and have a 'show on map' or 'set way point button'. sam Yep, that's part of the plan. I'll work on it and let you know. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Litephone] : crash
I'm trying to get litephone working on debians sid ... I have random crash, well more random success as it crash more than it works ... Any idea ? frameworkd log :== 2009.10.22 17:38:58.358 opimdWARNING SIM-Contacts-FSO: Could not request SIM phonebook from ogsmd : org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. 2009.10.22 17:38:58.369 opimdINFO SIM-Contacts-FSO: Waiting for SIM being ready... 2009.10.22 17:38:58.416 opimdWARNING SIM-Messages-FSO: Could not request SIM messagebook from ogsmd (org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.) 2009.10.22 17:38:58.427 opimdINFO SIM-Messages-FSO: Waiting for SIM being ready... 2009.10.22 17:38:58.443 oeventsd.action INFO method SetBrightness responded: () 2009.10.22 17:38:58.492 opimdWARNING SIM-Contacts-FSO: Could not request SIM phonebook from ogsmd : org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. 2009.10.22 17:38:58.503 opimdINFO SIM-Contacts-FSO: Waiting for SIM being ready... no elements in queue: starting idle task. _processElement() got an element from the queue 2009.10.22 17:39:04.81 frameworkd.resource INFO setting resource status for GSM from enabled to disabling 2009.10.22 17:39:05.66 frameworkd.resource INFO setting resource status for GSM from disabling to disabled 2009.10.22 17:39:05.252 ousaged INFO Disabled GSM in 1.3 seconds 2009.10.22 17:39:05.268 ousaged INFO Releasing GSM for vanished user :1.35 2009.10.22 17:39:06.6 otimed INFO offsets: n=1 mean=0.00 sd=0.00 litephone log : == Warning: DBus error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. Warning: Got error org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.GetAuthCodeRequired error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. Fatal: src/qabstractdbuslib.cpp: 60: bool getBool(const QDBusMessage): check failed: m.arguments().size() == 1 Aborted r...@debian-gta02:~# -- -- Openmoko phone gui : http://www.qalee.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: evopedia 0.2.3 release
On 10/19/09, Christian christ...@exinto.de wrote: Yorick Moko schrieb: Hi, I really like evopedia, but encountered a small problem with the latest update: there links that are on the top of the page don't get displayed (just a very small, hard to hit, square) as you can see on this scap: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/89e465bb9b6b7942ef987196600309be.png Sorry, somehow I forgot to add some images to the package. Please try again with http://www.reitwiessner.de/openmoko/evopedia_0.2.3-r1_any.ipk works like a charm! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Desktop based on openbox and idesk
Ali schrieb: very sweet, I love the unique look. One thing that really bugged me; ever since I got my very first cell phone I stopped wearing watches, opting to grab my phone and look at the time there instead. Comming out of suspend, unlocking, hitting shr-settings and date/time takes way too long just to see the time. Screen space at the bottom is taken so two suggestions 1. BATT and NET could be replaced with small icons and that would make room for the time on the right- but the bottom may still look crampped 2. Maybe have the time go down vertically on the right side of the screen. Ghetto diagram for clarity: (icon) (icon) (icon) (icon) (icon) H (icon) H (icon) : M BATT: x% - NET: x%M oh, and wtf is with the messaging app having an icon that says news? Seems more suited for an rss aggregator. Great otherwise, illume never did it for me- maybe it was that iphoney look. have a look into the near future (it is in testing phase here): http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User_talk:Matzehuber ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: #1024-rework service available
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller schrieb: Hi all, some users of Neo Freerunner devices have experienced a limited standby time if the GSM modem goes to the deepest sleep mode. This became known as the #1024 bug, because that was the number it got in the bug tracker (https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024). The software workaround was to disable sleep mode 4 as the default. Although there is a description of a hardware rework solution (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2009-May/001192.html ) we do not expect that you can do it yourself. Therefore, we have worked on a professional approach. With the help of a local SMD specialist company in Munich, Golden Delicious Computers can now offer a rework service to those who really suffer from this problem. Price is 45 EUR (incl. German VAT of 19%). If you combine with the Buzz-Rework (for A5 and A6 versions only) it is 75 EUR. And there is a rebate for groups of 5 or 10 units. http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=1024-Rework Nikolaus Conditions • This service is for the EU harmonized market only (sorry for Norway Switzerland) • Customer will send in, get rework and get the device sent back within approx. two weeks • The 2 way shipping cost will be covered by the customer. • When choosing a parcel service, please choose one that allows you to track your parcel since we are not responsible for incoming parcels. For German customers we recommend Hermes-Versand and for UK Royal Mail. • Please pack carefully, but just the Neo Freerunner (without battery, battery cover, headset, pouch, stylus, SIM card, SDcard etc.). We are not responsible for lost accessories - only for the device. We strongly recommend to use the original black box. • In the rare case that we damage your device, you will get a fresh Neo Freerunner (but your data is lost). • If you have several Freerunners to rework, please add as many Reworks as you want to the shopping cart. This will reduce shipment cost compared to several single shipments. And, we offer a volume discount to encourage group buys (5: 5%; 10: 10%; 50: 15%). Rebates are automatically shown in the shopping cart. Important notes • After payment is done, please follow the Rework Instructions (http://www.handheld-linux.com/images/Instructions.pdf ) • Please note that we can handle this service only for customers in the EU harmonized market because temporary import/export is too complicated if we want to avoid that you (or we) have to pay again the import tax for your original Freerunner. • This is not a Bass-Fix: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix How to test if my devices works or needs rework • obtain a command line (e.g. ssh from outside) • open /usr/bin/mickeyterm • type these commands (one after the other) AT+CFUN? AT+CFUN=1 --- only if CFUN? does not report 1 AT+CPIN=insert your pin AT%SLEEP=4 AT%CSQ=1 AT+CREG=2 AT+COPS=0,0 • wait some minutes. If you see +CREG: 0 and/or %CSQ: 99, 99, 0 your device is recamping. here a good device: +CREG: 2 +CREG: 1,033F,5BC4 %CSQ: 13, 99, 1 %CSQ: 7, 99, 0 %CSQ: 10, 99, 1 +CREG: 1,033F,2992 %CSQ: 18, 99, 2 %CSQ: 15, 99, 1 and here a bad device: +CREG: 2 +CREG: 1,033F,2992 %CSQ: 15, 99, 1 +CREG: 0 %CSQ: 99, 99, 0 +CREG: 1,033F,2992 %CSQ: 18, 99, 2 +CREG: 0 %CSQ: 99, 99, 0 +CREG: 1,033F,2992 %CSQ: 17, 99, 1 +CREG: 0 Mobile Office Solutions by Golden Delicious Computers GmbHCo. KG Buchenstr. 3 D-82041 Oberhaching +49-89-54290367 http://www.handheld-linux.com AG München, HRA 89571 VAT DE253626266 Komplementär: Golden Delicious Computers Verwaltungs GmbH Oberhaching, AG München, HRB 16602 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Nikolaus Schaller Digital Tools for Independent People ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community That are great news. I guess that I will buy the rework. Greetungs Bastian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFK4IgklYiDScJJ+7QRAuuOAJ93sAosN+Dqd5gIUQ5q6dSoMB96fgCgzzNI g3ZU3NZSLHa+4vSBPFnyvtI= =Komc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher Release 0.39
c_c wrote: Hi, After a long break - here's the new release of Launcher. Hi, i just tried out the launcher, and the contacts application seems to have problems with opimd tel. number fields different from phone. Programs like opimd-contacts and pisi sync use names like Home phone and Cell phone. These numbers are not recognised by launcher. besides that, great program :) Mario -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-Release-0-39-tp3859743p3873595.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Wikireader] Any news on Wikireader ?
-= Apertum =- wrote: Hello, The (very interesting, IMHO) Wikireader product has been launched about 2 weeks ago, but still i don't see any information about hardware and software (IE we don't know if there is a Linux kernel in it, or not), and/or how it will be hackable by the community. It's there any news somewhere on the net, or when you at OpenMoko plan to discover these (important) informations? Thank you so much for your attention :-) Look for the thread labeled [reader] on this list I have one, and have been spending some time looking at the code and available docs. It does not use a Linux kernel. It is an embedded device containing only minimal amounts of software, just enough to be a WikiReader. The WikiReader program itself is the kernel. AFAICT the code on the device is entirely written in C and Forth, and is 100% Free Software. Unlike the Freerunner and every other cellphone on this planet, it does not contain any chunks of proprietary code (it doesn't need to worry about what the cell providers or the FCC thinks). I don't think RMS would have any complaints about carrying one of these around. This device is perfect for Free Software purists and for people who, for whatever reason, don't carry Internet access in their pockets. (As the global collapse deepens, I expect more and more people will be unable to justify the monthly cost of carrying around Internet access.) The wiki is small now but gradually growing: http://wiki.github.com/wikireader/wikireader Much of the documentation is stashed away in the source tree: http://github.com/wikireader/wikireader The device fits in my shirt pocket (barely) and has a daylight-readable monochrome LCD display with no backlight. It's a touchscreen; you scroll it up and down with a gesture, and follow links with a tap. The on/off button is on the top edge. It uses two AAA batteries, which should last a very long time as the device is extremely miserly. You can use rechargeable (1.2 V) batteries if you like. Under the display are three buttons: Search, History, and Random. The History button displays a list of the most recently displayed pages. The other buttons are self-explanatory. The database contains a text-only snapshot of the entire English-language Wikipedia, over three million articles. You can search on any word in the text. The touchscreen keyboard is a bit small for my fat fingers, but I can manage (it's capacitive, and won't work with a stylus). It has no connectivity, other than a serial port I haven't tried yet, and SneakerNet (you take out the micro SD card and walk over to another computer to update its contents). This lack of connectivity keeps the internals simple and the cost down. The card and the serial port are in the battery compartment. If you hold the first button down while you turn the device on, it displays a list of Forth programs you can run. Just tap on the name. A lot of these are diagnostics, but there is also a simple calculator and a drawing program. If you know Forth, you can probably write your own program and put it on the card, I imagine. If you hold the second button down while turning on, it runs the calculator. If you hold the third button down while turning on, it starts up the serial console (19200 8N1). The drawing program shows that the device could be used for pictures, but don't expect any Wikipedia image content -- there isn't room on the card. However, it might be practical to put in a lot of the diagrams that can be compactly stored as SVG files. Hopefully somebody will add that functionality in, as well as equation support. The microSD card that comes with it is an 8GB model. I don't know if larger ones will work. I hope so. The card has 3.8GB of free space on it, so there is plenty of room for more content. I have been looking into the possibility of adding custom content (the multi-wiki concept). As I see it, there are two paths for code development: New code to run on the device, and user-friendly cross-platform code to run on the user's desktop machine or laptop and which is used to simplify and manage the task of updating the contents of the SD card. New code to run on the device would come from Forth programmers who can write new Forth apps, and embedded developers who can write C code for tiny machines that don't have operating systems. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
A7 or A6 version?
One person want sell to my a Neo Freerunner. The code is 20080924, is a A7 version or A6? -- http://nuevaeracr.blogspot.com Linux user number 478378 Linux machine number 386687 Tec. Esteban Monge Marín Tel: (506) 8379-3562 “No habrá manera de desarrollarnos y salir de la pobreza mientras los pocos negocios grandes de nuestro medio se entreguen a las economías foráneas y nosotros nos quedemos con solo negocios de pobre, mientras en vez de ser propietarios de nuestro propio país nos convirtamos en un ejército de empleados del exterior” José Figueres Ferrer, 1952. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A7 or A6 version?
Am 22.10.2009 um 20:20 schrieb Esteban Monge: One person want sell to my a Neo Freerunner. The code is 20080924, is a A7 version or A6? A5 A6 DATE CODE 2008 (A5 mostly 05,06, others A6) A7 DATE CODE 2009 (the earliest I have seen is 20090217) -- http://nuevaeracr.blogspot.com Linux user number 478378 Linux machine number 386687 Tec. Esteban Monge Marín Tel: (506) 8379-3562 “No habrá manera de desarrollarnos y salir de la pobreza mientras los pocos negocios grandes de nuestro medio se entreguen a las economías foráneas y nosotros nos quedemos con solo negocios de pobre, mientras en vez de ser propietarios de nuestro propio país nos convirtamos en un ejército de empleados del exterior” José Figueres Ferrer, 1952. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A7 or A6 version?
mine have 20090317 and its A7 2009/10/22 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org Am 22.10.2009 um 20:20 schrieb Esteban Monge: One person want sell to my a Neo Freerunner. The code is 20080924, is a A7 version or A6? A5 A6 DATE CODE 2008 (A5 mostly 05,06, others A6) A7 DATE CODE 2009 (the earliest I have seen is 20090217) -- http://nuevaeracr.blogspot.com Linux user number 478378 Linux machine number 386687 Tec. Esteban Monge Marín Tel: (506) 8379-3562 “No habrá manera de desarrollarnos y salir de la pobreza mientras los pocos negocios grandes de nuestro medio se entreguen a las economías foráneas y nosotros nos quedemos con solo negocios de pobre, mientras en vez de ser propietarios de nuestro propio país nos convirtamos en un ejército de empleados del exterior” José Figueres Ferrer, 1952. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ericsson releases free cell-id lookup API
Baruch Even wrote: Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote: https://labs.ericsson.com/apis/mobile-location/documentation/cell-id-look-up-api Limited to 100 requests per day. Perhaps I'm getting the syntax wrong (made sure to use hex like their example does) but when I tried to compare it to cells in the openmoko cellid databases, I got back 404 - The requested resource () is not available. The main limitation of such APIs is that you have to be online to use them, so you must use a GPRS connection to get your location. openbmap-locator can work offline as well. Is it very much different than the Google location API? As Baruch said, you must be online, and I add you must send your GSM data (and as such your position) to a third party. Local service on the phone as openBmap-locator from Baruch is the right way to go for performance, easiness, and privacy. Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: #1024-rework service available
Dr.H.NikolausS wrote: • This is not a Bass-Fix: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix Is this planned in the future? I'd like to buy all the fixes at once... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: #1024-rework service available
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: Hi all, Conditions • This service is for the EU harmonized market only (sorry for Norway Switzerland) So, this excludes US customers? Is there someone offering a similar service in the US? Thanks, Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: #1024-rework service available
|-Original Message- |From: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community- |boun...@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of Steven ** |Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:59 PM |To: List for Openmoko community discussion |Subject: Re: #1024-rework service available | |On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller |h...@computer.org wrote: | Hi all, | | Conditions | |. This service is for the EU harmonized market only (sorry for |Norway | Switzerland) | |So, this excludes US customers? | |Is there someone offering a similar service in the US? | |Thanks, |Steven +1 [Russell Dwiggins] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: #1024-rework service available
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:04:33PM +0200, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Dr.H.NikolausS wrote: ??? This is not a Bass-Fix: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix Is this planned in the future? I'd like to buy all the fixes at once... Me too. My freerunner happily went to Germany once but I don't want to make him sad with too much travelling :-( ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Wikireader] Any news on Wikireader ?
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:14:25 -0700 Doug Jones dj...@frombob.to said: This device is perfect for Free Software purists and for people who, for whatever reason, don't carry Internet access in their pockets. (As the global collapse deepens, I expect more and more people will be unable to justify the monthly cost of carrying around Internet access.) just fyi... the global collapse is likely past its bottom point. everything i see is either bumping aong the bottom or well on its way up. in australia/asia at any rate thats for sure. i don't think you're going to see any deepening in the west (australia excluded - it's hooking into the asian supply line so it's economy is more affected now the panic has gone, by supply and demand, and china's demand - india's too is on the up). no point panicing about deepenging problems. the usa though is in some deep poo poo and likely will see its currency devalue further. massive debt doesn't make the us economy look strong. especially as investors are over the panic now and need a safe haven for their money, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy that as the dollar goes down, moving money to a currency not tied to the dollar thats on the rise, makes sense, thus putting up the # of dollars being sold and unless someone picks up the slack and buys the extra multi-billions of dollars as fast as they are sold, means that the dollar will go down further due to investors trying to go to another currency for safety. but then again, as the dollar drops, things will drift back to on-shore as the usa simply becomes cheaper and thus helping create jobs in making use produced goods + services cheaper. it'll reach equilibrium at some point... but that won't be for a while. (sorry. just had to point this out as the above didnt seem incredibly accurate given current world economic circumstances) :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[WikiReader] can we edit the WikiReader wiki?
I clicked that Edit button, but it seems to want money from me. :-) But I assume that somebody else here can edit this page: http://wiki.github.com/wikireader/wikireader/building-from-source In addition to the dependencies listed there, I also had to install gforth, qt4-qmake, and g++. After installing those, I got as far as: g++ -c -pipe -O2 -D_REENTRANT -Wall -W -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_GUI_LIB -DQT_CORE_LIB -I/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++ -I. -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore -I/usr/include/qt4/QtGui -I/usr/include/qt4 -I../../../wiki-app -I../../../samo-lib/include -I../../../samo-lib/drivers/include -I../../..//samo-lib/minilzo/ -I../../../samo-lib/lzma -I../../../samo-lib/fatfs/src -I../../../samo-lib/fatfs/config/c33/read-write -I. -I. -o main.o main.cpp main.cpp:21:17: error: QtGui: No such file or directory ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Wikireader] Any news on Wikireader ? [OT]
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:14:25 -0700 Doug Jones dj...@frombob.to said: This device is perfect for Free Software purists and for people who, for whatever reason, don't carry Internet access in their pockets. (As the global collapse deepens, I expect more and more people will be unable to justify the monthly cost of carrying around Internet access.) just fyi... the global collapse is likely past its bottom point. everything i see is either bumping aong the bottom or well on its way up. in australia/asia at any rate thats for sure. i don't think you're going to see any deepening in the west (australia excluded - it's hooking into the asian supply line so it's economy is more affected now the panic has gone, by supply and demand, and china's demand - india's too is on the up). no point panicing about deepenging problems. Who's panicking? On the back of my WikiReader, I'm planning to write Don't Panic in big friendly letters the usa though is in some deep poo poo and likely will see its currency devalue further. massive debt doesn't make the us economy look strong. especially as investors are over the panic now and need a safe haven for their money, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy that as the dollar goes down, moving money to a currency not tied to the dollar thats on the rise, makes sense, thus putting up the # of dollars being sold and unless someone picks up the slack and buys the extra multi-billions of dollars as fast as they are sold, means that the dollar will go down further due to investors trying to go to another currency for safety. but then again, as the dollar drops, things will drift back to on-shore as the usa simply becomes cheaper and thus helping create jobs in making use produced goods + services cheaper. it'll reach equilibrium at some point... but that won't be for a while. (sorry. just had to point this out as the above didnt seem incredibly accurate given current world economic circumstances) :) Yes, let us know how that works out :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Wikireader] Any news on Wikireader ? [OT]
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:39:40 -0700 Doug Jones dj...@frombob.to said: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:14:25 -0700 Doug Jones dj...@frombob.to said: This device is perfect for Free Software purists and for people who, for whatever reason, don't carry Internet access in their pockets. (As the global collapse deepens, I expect more and more people will be unable to justify the monthly cost of carrying around Internet access.) just fyi... the global collapse is likely past its bottom point. everything i see is either bumping aong the bottom or well on its way up. in australia/asia at any rate thats for sure. i don't think you're going to see any deepening in the west (australia excluded - it's hooking into the asian supply line so it's economy is more affected now the panic has gone, by supply and demand, and china's demand - india's too is on the up). no point panicing about deepenging problems. Who's panicking? hahahahah! well... more the words global collapse deepens might incite panic. :) it's not global anymore. australia is on its way out. stock market has been on the up for months. unemployment - it generally large as an indicator is now going down again and the reserve bank is raising interest rates. :) On the back of my WikiReader, I'm planning to write Don't Panic in big friendly letters the usa though is in some deep poo poo and likely will see its currency devalue further. massive debt doesn't make the us economy look strong. especially as investors are over the panic now and need a safe haven for their money, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy that as the dollar goes down, moving money to a currency not tied to the dollar thats on the rise, makes sense, thus putting up the # of dollars being sold and unless someone picks up the slack and buys the extra multi-billions of dollars as fast as they are sold, means that the dollar will go down further due to investors trying to go to another currency for safety. but then again, as the dollar drops, things will drift back to on-shore as the usa simply becomes cheaper and thus helping create jobs in making use produced goods + services cheaper. it'll reach equilibrium at some point... but that won't be for a while. (sorry. just had to point this out as the above didnt seem incredibly accurate given current world economic circumstances) :) Yes, let us know how that works out :-) which one? moving money to other currencies? already have long ago. i dont live in the usa. :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Wikireader] Any news on Wikireader ?
Doug Wow. You really know your stuff! Glad to hear you appreciate our baby. We're quite proud of how it came out. -Sean On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Doug Jones dj...@frombob.to wrote: -= Apertum =- wrote: Hello, The (very interesting, IMHO) Wikireader product has been launched about 2 weeks ago, but still i don't see any information about hardware and software (IE we don't know if there is a Linux kernel in it, or not), and/or how it will be hackable by the community. It's there any news somewhere on the net, or when you at OpenMoko plan to discover these (important) informations? Thank you so much for your attention :-) Look for the thread labeled [reader] on this list I have one, and have been spending some time looking at the code and available docs. It does not use a Linux kernel. It is an embedded device containing only minimal amounts of software, just enough to be a WikiReader. The WikiReader program itself is the kernel. AFAICT the code on the device is entirely written in C and Forth, and is 100% Free Software. Unlike the Freerunner and every other cellphone on this planet, it does not contain any chunks of proprietary code (it doesn't need to worry about what the cell providers or the FCC thinks). I don't think RMS would have any complaints about carrying one of these around. This device is perfect for Free Software purists and for people who, for whatever reason, don't carry Internet access in their pockets. (As the global collapse deepens, I expect more and more people will be unable to justify the monthly cost of carrying around Internet access.) The wiki is small now but gradually growing: http://wiki.github.com/wikireader/wikireader Much of the documentation is stashed away in the source tree: http://github.com/wikireader/wikireader The device fits in my shirt pocket (barely) and has a daylight-readable monochrome LCD display with no backlight. It's a touchscreen; you scroll it up and down with a gesture, and follow links with a tap. The on/off button is on the top edge. It uses two AAA batteries, which should last a very long time as the device is extremely miserly. You can use rechargeable (1.2 V) batteries if you like. Under the display are three buttons: Search, History, and Random. The History button displays a list of the most recently displayed pages. The other buttons are self-explanatory. The database contains a text-only snapshot of the entire English-language Wikipedia, over three million articles. You can search on any word in the text. The touchscreen keyboard is a bit small for my fat fingers, but I can manage (it's capacitive, and won't work with a stylus). It has no connectivity, other than a serial port I haven't tried yet, and SneakerNet (you take out the micro SD card and walk over to another computer to update its contents). This lack of connectivity keeps the internals simple and the cost down. The card and the serial port are in the battery compartment. If you hold the first button down while you turn the device on, it displays a list of Forth programs you can run. Just tap on the name. A lot of these are diagnostics, but there is also a simple calculator and a drawing program. If you know Forth, you can probably write your own program and put it on the card, I imagine. If you hold the second button down while turning on, it runs the calculator. If you hold the third button down while turning on, it starts up the serial console (19200 8N1). The drawing program shows that the device could be used for pictures, but don't expect any Wikipedia image content -- there isn't room on the card. However, it might be practical to put in a lot of the diagrams that can be compactly stored as SVG files. Hopefully somebody will add that functionality in, as well as equation support. The microSD card that comes with it is an 8GB model. I don't know if larger ones will work. I hope so. The card has 3.8GB of free space on it, so there is plenty of room for more content. I have been looking into the possibility of adding custom content (the multi-wiki concept). As I see it, there are two paths for code development: New code to run on the device, and user-friendly cross-platform code to run on the user's desktop machine or laptop and which is used to simplify and manage the task of updating the contents of the SD card. New code to run on the device would come from Forth programmers who can write new Forth apps, and embedded developers who can write C code for tiny machines that don't have operating systems. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ericsson releases free cell-id lookup API
2009/10/23 Onen onen...@free.fr: Baruch Even wrote: Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote: https://labs.ericsson.com/apis/mobile-location/documentation/cell-id-look-up-api Limited to 100 requests per day. Perhaps I'm getting the syntax wrong (made sure to use hex like their example does) but when I tried to compare it to cells in the openmoko cellid databases, I got back 404 - The requested resource () is not available. The main limitation of such APIs is that you have to be online to use them, so you must use a GPRS connection to get your location. openbmap-locator can work offline as well. Is it very much different than the Google location API? Definately - It only gives you 1 cell position (latitude/longitude, is this the position of the cell tower?), a locality name and an accuracy measure in meters per API call. This is unlike the Google API where the whole locating operation can be considered server side and other attributes such as rxlevel and timing advance can be considered. So you would have to develop your own application to combine results from both serving and neighbour cells in a meaningful way (their example only tells you the serving cell location) and you still would not have rxlevel/timing advance information. As Baruch said, you must be online, and I add you must send your GSM data (and as such your position) to a third party. Local service on the phone as openBmap-locator from Baruch is the right way to go for performance, easiness, and privacy. I look forward to this :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
CorePy: Assembly Programming in Python
http://www.corepy.org/ I came across this while researching other development related stuff and I thought it may be interesting for some of the Python aficionados here who may have not heard of it. For those that want or need some raw performance or access access to lower level stuff on the FR cheers Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [WikiReader] can we edit the WikiReader wiki?
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:20:39 -0700 Doug Jones dj...@frombob.to wrote: I clicked that Edit button, but it seems to want money from me. :-) Did you create an account on github, I think the free account should work. But I assume that somebody else here can edit this page: http://wiki.github.com/wikireader/wikireader/building-from-source In addition to the dependencies listed there, I also had to install gforth, qt4-qmake, and g++. I can, I added the packages I use. (these are listed in doc/Using-schroot for Ubuntu jaunty_i386) After installing those, I got as far as: g++ -c -pipe -O2 -D_REENTRANT -Wall -W -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_GUI_LIB -DQT_CORE_LIB -I/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++ -I. -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore -I/usr/include/qt4/QtGui -I/usr/include/qt4 -I../../../wiki-app -I../../../samo-lib/include -I../../../samo-lib/drivers/include -I../../..//samo-lib/minilzo/ -I../../../samo-lib/lzma -I../../../samo-lib/fatfs/src -I../../../samo-lib/fatfs/config/c33/read-write -I. -I. -o main.o main.cpp main.cpp:21:17: error: QtGui: No such file or directory maybe you are missing libqt4-dev -- Best regards. Christopher Hall hswATopenmoko.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Wikireader] Any news on Wikireader ?
Doug, YES! This is an excellent summary and technical introduction to the device... Before trying to add a few things, let me first express my deep personal thanks to a number of people that worked with me on the device until 5 months ago (there was not enough space on the official website to list them all there): Tim Ruetz and Daniel Mack (www.caiaq.de) for the electrical design and microkernel Joerg DocScrutinizer and Andy Green for hardware feedback and specs! Holger zecke Freyther for system software and a (failed) WebKit-based renderer John Lee, Matt Hsu and Marek Lindner for software improvements Yi Zhang for product management all the way to functioning prototype and our vendors like GoWorld and EPSON who provided significant engineering assistance You all worked far beyond what was to be expected, or even compensated for. It was a true pleasure to work with all of you, I learnt a lot - THANK YOU! Let's hope the WikiReader will reach many people, and have a great future. Now that that's done, some feedback: It does not use a Linux kernel. It is an embedded device containing only minimal amounts of software, just enough to be a WikiReader. The WikiReader program itself is the kernel. We tried to keep the microkernel functions and the app separate. Chris has documented this nicely, the microkernel was originally called Mahatma. There is an interesting side story, in that at some point the plan was to run a Japanese ITRON microkernel on the device! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRON_Project This didn't work out as the ITRON implementation (free software: Toppers/JSP) turned out to be too big. So it got deleted from the source tree at some point. But if you dig in the history, you can still find it and it may be an interesting starting point for some ITRON hacking on the device. It was working at the time! I don't think RMS would have any complaints about carrying one of these around. Can you spend a bit of time to check the licenses? Chris Hall reviewed it so I'm sure it's all good, but since it is all statically linked together and GPL-licensed it means like you said every last bit of software needs to be at least GPL compatible. An independent review on this would be great. In addition to the microSD card, there is only a small bootloader in an EEPROM (to boot from the SD card), but I think it's free software and in the source tree as well. Reflashing that EEPROM is a bit tricky (though possible, needs documentation), but not sure who would need it. If you hold the third button down while turning on, it starts up the serial console (19200 8N1). Is it documented somewhere how to hook up a serial cable? Currently there are three simulators available (console, cocoa, Qt4), but when you want to do active development on the device, I think having a serial cable is the only way to get faster feedback cycles, log output, etc. It has no connectivity, other than a serial port I haven't tried yet, and SneakerNet (you take out the micro SD card and walk over to another computer to update its contents). This lack of connectivity keeps the internals simple and the cost down. The card and the serial port are in the battery compartment. If I think about this device, the one thing that pops out again and again is BRUTAL SIMPLICITY. That is the real beauty of it. You can load some software into this device, then give it to anybody and not be worried they will get lost in a number of buttons and options. They will (have to) focus on what you are delivering in front of their eyes, and one thing where the WikiReader excels technically is the capacitive touch screen, which makes interacting with it a joy. Get more software on it! :-) Wolfgang On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:14:25AM -0700, Doug Jones wrote: -= Apertum =- wrote: Hello, The (very interesting, IMHO) Wikireader product has been launched about 2 weeks ago, but still i don't see any information about hardware and software (IE we don't know if there is a Linux kernel in it, or not), and/or how it will be hackable by the community. It's there any news somewhere on the net, or when you at OpenMoko plan to discover these (important) informations? Thank you so much for your attention :-) Look for the thread labeled [reader] on this list I have one, and have been spending some time looking at the code and available docs. It does not use a Linux kernel. It is an embedded device containing only minimal amounts of software, just enough to be a WikiReader. The WikiReader program itself is the kernel. AFAICT the code on the device is entirely written in C and Forth, and is 100% Free Software. Unlike the Freerunner and every other cellphone on this planet, it does not contain any chunks of proprietary code (it doesn't need to worry about what the cell providers or the FCC thinks). I don't think RMS would have any complaints about carrying one of these around. This device
Re: [WikiReader] can we edit the WikiReader wiki?
Christopher Hall wrote: On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:20:39 -0700 Doug Jones dj...@frombob.to wrote: I clicked that Edit button, but it seems to want money from me. :-) Did you create an account on github, I think the free account should work. Ah! I didn't even notice that option. Duh. But I assume that somebody else here can edit this page: http://wiki.github.com/wikireader/wikireader/building-from-source In addition to the dependencies listed there, I also had to install gforth, qt4-qmake, and g++. I can, I added the packages I use. (these are listed in doc/Using-schroot for Ubuntu jaunty_i386) Yes, I didn't read that particular doc because I am not using schroot, I'm just running Ubuntu 9.04 32-bit. After installing those, I got as far as: g++ -c -pipe -O2 -D_REENTRANT -Wall -W -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_GUI_LIB -DQT_CORE_LIB -I/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++ -I. -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore -I/usr/include/qt4/QtGui -I/usr/include/qt4 -I../../../wiki-app -I../../../samo-lib/include -I../../../samo-lib/drivers/include -I../../..//samo-lib/minilzo/ -I../../../samo-lib/lzma -I../../../samo-lib/fatfs/src -I../../../samo-lib/fatfs/config/c33/read-write -I. -I. -o main.o main.cpp main.cpp:21:17: error: QtGui: No such file or directory maybe you are missing libqt4-dev Yep, that's what I was missing. Make worked this time. Thanks! Now the only questions left on my current open question list are: How does one connect to that serial port? Is there some kind of dongle one has to jam in there? Will the WikiReader work with 16GB cards? Or larger? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Wikireader] Any news on Wikireader ?
Wolfgang Spraul wrote: snip I don't think RMS would have any complaints about carrying one of these around. Can you spend a bit of time to check the licenses? Chris Hall reviewed it so I'm sure it's all good, but since it is all statically linked together and GPL-licensed it means like you said every last bit of software needs to be at least GPL compatible. An independent review on this would be great. Sure, that looks doable. Thank goodness the codebase is so small. In addition to the microSD card, there is only a small bootloader in an EEPROM (to boot from the SD card), but I think it's free software and in the source tree as well. Reflashing that EEPROM is a bit tricky (though possible, needs documentation), but not sure who would need it. If you hold the third button down while turning on, it starts up the serial console (19200 8N1). Is it documented somewhere how to hook up a serial cable? Good question! I looked under that sticker, and saw eight little golden contact pads. Do we have to open the case and solder something onto there? Currently there are three simulators available (console, cocoa, Qt4), but when you want to do active development on the device, I think having a serial cable is the only way to get faster feedback cycles, log output, etc. It has no connectivity, other than a serial port I haven't tried yet, and SneakerNet (you take out the micro SD card and walk over to another computer to update its contents). This lack of connectivity keeps the internals simple and the cost down. The card and the serial port are in the battery compartment. If I think about this device, the one thing that pops out again and again is BRUTAL SIMPLICITY. That is the real beauty of it. You can load some software into this device, then give it to anybody and not be worried they will get lost in a number of buttons and options. They will (have to) focus on what you are delivering in front of their eyes, and one thing where the WikiReader excels technically is the capacitive touch screen, which makes interacting with it a joy. Get more software on it! :-) Wolfgang ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
