Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN: Hi, When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D video and faster processor) is going to be released??? Assume, you could get a motherboard upgrade board that fits into the Freerunner (or Neo1973) case. Based on the TI OMAP3 SoC (OMAP3530 or DM3730) and UMTS. Let me ask two questions to everybody: * How long could you be willing to wait for it to really become available? * How much would you think you could afford to pay for such a board? Regards, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
El día Friday, August 13, 2010 a las 11:22:02AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escribió: Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN: Hi, When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D video and faster processor) is going to be released??? Assume, you could get a motherboard upgrade board that fits into the Freerunner (or Neo1973) case. Based on the TI OMAP3 SoC (OMAP3530 or DM3730) and UMTS. Let me ask two questions to everybody: * How long could you be willing to wait for it to really become available? * How much would you think you could afford to pay for such a board? Wrong question, for me. I will not use any other 'smartphone' (computerphone), which: - is not Linux or FreeBSD driven and open as Linux/FreeBSD are normaly - does not have X11 - does not provide access by SSH to the system - does not have a resistive touchscreen (to address single pixel) So, an iPhone is no option for me; if my Freerunner will fail, I will try to get it working again, and I will wait until the next generation of OpenSource phones, even if I would have to reactivate my old Siemens S10 for some time, meanwhile waiting. Give me UNIX or give me a pencil :-) matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ Solidarity with the zionistic pirates of Israel? Not in my name! ¿Solidaridad con los piratas sionistas de Israel? ¡No en mi nombre! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Le 13/08/2010 11:37, Matthias Apitz a écrit : Wrong question, for me. I will not use any other 'smartphone' (computerphone), which: - is not Linux or FreeBSD driven and open as Linux/FreeBSD are normaly - does not have X11 - does not provide access by SSH to the system - does not have a resistive touchscreen (to address single pixel) So, an iPhone is no option for me; if my Freerunner will fail, I will try to get it working again, and I will wait until the next generation of OpenSource phones, even if I would have to reactivate my old Siemens S10 for some time, meanwhile waiting. Give me UNIX or give me a pencil :-) matthias Well written. Same thing here for me (but I don't care about touchscreen being capacitive or resistive). Xavier. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
On 13/08/10 10:37, Matthias Apitz wrote: Give me UNIX or give me a pencil :-) +1 with emphasis on being about to modify ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Am 13.08.2010 um 11:37 schrieb Matthias Apitz: El día Friday, August 13, 2010 a las 11:22:02AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escribió: Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN: Hi, When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D video and faster processor) is going to be released??? Assume, you could get a motherboard upgrade board that fits into the Freerunner (or Neo1973) case. Based on the TI OMAP3 SoC (OMAP3530 or DM3730) and UMTS. Let me ask two questions to everybody: * How long could you be willing to wait for it to really become available? * How much would you think you could afford to pay for such a board? Wrong question, for me. I will not use any other 'smartphone' (computerphone), which: - is not Linux or FreeBSD driven and open as Linux/FreeBSD are normaly - does not have X11 - does not provide access by SSH to the system - does not have a resistive touchscreen (to address single pixel) So, an iPhone is no option for me; if my Freerunner will fail, I will try to get it working again, and I will wait until the next generation of OpenSource phones, even if I would have to reactivate my old Siemens S10 for some time, meanwhile waiting. Give me UNIX or give me a pencil :-) Do I interpret you correclty, that your answer to my questions are: * I will wait *any* time, as long as it fulfills my opensource requirements * I accept any price regards, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Assume, you could get a motherboard upgrade board that fits into the Freerunner (or Neo1973) case. Based on the TI OMAP3 SoC (OMAP3530 or DM3730) and UMTS. Let me ask two questions to everybody: * How long could you be willing to wait for it to really become available? * How much would you think you could afford to pay for such a board? - re waiting: since most people change their phones after a couple of years, waiting shouldn't be an issue -- per se. more important would be to see a definite progress and sufficient informatrion about the way development takes (including delays, glitches and so on). seeing how nokia neglects the maemo/n900 community, not only in terms of information about fixes, updates, and the migration to meego, i think that's definitely the wrong way. so, having a working phone right now and for the foreseeable future, i would be able to wait 2, 3 years (and if another accaptable phone comes out in the meantime, maybe even longer) - cost otoh is really difficult. what company ever will attempt to make a free phone, it will need lots of money for development (not to speak of the still valid issue of purchasing items in small numbers to high prices). seeing, that i spend 300 on the fr and 500 on the n900 (two years later), i guess, that's the range -- but then again, the fr's casing is not really up-to-date and most likely the retro-trend will not discover the 2000s in the near future ;-). what i like in the n900 is the big screen or rather the screen-to-surface-ratio and missing bezel, and the slide-out keyboard (not the keyboard layout, though), which would enable me to use the consoles w/o X, if maemo would allow that ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
wasn't there something about samsung making the hw specs public for at least one of their samrtphones? i can't find that news article again. and a long time ago someone (raster? can't find that mail) wrote about big things to come -- even that in connection with samsung? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
El día Friday, August 13, 2010 a las 11:49:13AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escribió: Am 13.08.2010 um 11:37 schrieb Matthias Apitz: El día Friday, August 13, 2010 a las 11:22:02AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escribió: Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN: Hi, When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D video and faster processor) is going to be released??? Assume, you could get a motherboard upgrade board that fits into the Freerunner (or Neo1973) case. Based on the TI OMAP3 SoC (OMAP3530 or DM3730) and UMTS. Let me ask two questions to everybody: * How long could you be willing to wait for it to really become available? * How much would you think you could afford to pay for such a board? Wrong question, for me. I will not use any other 'smartphone' (computerphone), which: - is not Linux or FreeBSD driven and open as Linux/FreeBSD are normaly - does not have X11 - does not provide access by SSH to the system - does not have a resistive touchscreen (to address single pixel) So, an iPhone is no option for me; if my Freerunner will fail, I will try to get it working again, and I will wait until the next generation of OpenSource phones, even if I would have to reactivate my old Siemens S10 for some time, meanwhile waiting. Give me UNIX or give me a pencil :-) Do I interpret you correclty, that your answer to my questions are: * I will wait *any* time, as long as it fulfills my opensource requirements yes; * I accept any price yes, any price in the range of my Freerunner, more or less; or even 500 euro, depends on my economic situation in that moment; matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ Solidarity with the zionistic pirates of Israel? Not in my name! ¿Solidaridad con los piratas sionistas de Israel? ¡No en mi nombre! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:22:02AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN: Hi, When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D video and faster processor) is going to be released??? Assume, you could get a motherboard upgrade board that fits into the Freerunner (or Neo1973) case. Based on the TI OMAP3 SoC (OMAP3530 or DM3730) and UMTS. Let me ask two questions to everybody: * How long could you be willing to wait for it to really become available? As long as my SIM card remains compatible with the Freerunner. * How much would you think you could afford to pay for such a board? Depends on how good it is (Wifi/GPS/3G/etc. support). Maybe 500 euros. -- Ben Thompson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Am 13.08.2010 um 11:53 schrieb arne anka: wasn't there something about samsung making the hw specs public for at least one of their samrtphones? i can't find that news article again. and a long time ago someone (raster? can't find that mail) wrote about big things to come -- even that in connection with samsung? Yes, I remember this as well. And, there was also some recent initiative by 'leviathan' to discuss with Samsung. But IMHO, even if they open the hw specs for one device, this will be one device. No promise for a future one. Some day they simply pull the plug for unknown reasons (like Sharp did with the Zaurus). And, I never understood why we should assume, that a premier league player would ever care for a small community like ours. According to latest Gartner data Samsung sells 65 million phones per quarter. We have approx. 15k Freerunners over 3 years. My conclusion is that a small company promises more long-term stability than a large one, even if development cost is high (it is lower than you all assume), and component cost are high in low quantities (that depends a little on choosing the right components). Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:22:02 +0200 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN: Hi, When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D video and faster processor) is going to be released??? Assume, you could get a motherboard upgrade board that fits into the Freerunner (or Neo1973) case. Based on the TI OMAP3 SoC (OMAP3530 or DM3730) and UMTS. Let me ask two questions to everybody: * How long could you be willing to wait for it to really become available? * How much would you think you could afford to pay for such a board? Is there a serious possibility of this? I'm willing to wait a couple of years at least. And the 500 Euro number that people are throwing around seems OK. Would this be re-using the case, display and touch screen and replacing everything else? NeilBrown ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
And, I never understood why we should assume, that a premier league player would ever care for a small community like ours. not for that small community per se. it would most likely be only a intersection of interests. the manufacturer would be able to - gain a reputation as being open (which might appeal to goverments as well b/c of several reasons) - additional promotion by mouth-to-mouth through people being interested in open devices, probably cheaper than paid merchandising for the same group - somewhat broadened developer base - android inspired cost structure: make your hw specs public - enable developers to make the best from it - gain market share since your device offers the most b/c developers can use the hw and are not limited to app-like apis (cf iP[od|hone|ad]) with the success of android, i think a more open approach might appeal to vendors. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:22:02 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN: Hi, When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D video and faster processor) is going to be released??? Assume, you could get a motherboard upgrade board that fits into the Freerunner (or Neo1973) case. Based on the TI OMAP3 SoC (OMAP3530 or DM3730) and UMTS. Let me ask two questions to everybody: * How long could you be willing to wait for it to really become available? 9 months, maximum 1.5 years. I don't think it will be dependent on the life of my freerunner, it will rather be dependent on the capability of living with the frustrations of the freerunner. There might be a moment I say, I'm tired of waiting for a great user experience on a open smartphone. Even though I like the great efforts of the community, we are still far from having a great user experience. (I bet there is greater developer experience then a user experience). Sometimes, the basic Nokia I received with some office supplies order is better for calling my bad hearing grand mother... . * How much would you think you could afford to pay for such a board? If it is a true open smartphone, more then what I paid the freerunner but I guess it certainly maxes out at 500euro's. Of course one should compare the features as well, will it have futuristic technology or technology of yesterday? I do would check deeper whether there is any NDA for whatever component which would limit open development. In that regard, I do not consider the freerunner a open phone and it is very likely I would never have bought one knowing there is a NDA limitation... . Money is not everything, ideals are? Hans ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
I will not use any other 'smartphone' (computerphone), which: - is not Linux or FreeBSD driven and open as Linux/FreeBSD are normaly - does not have X11 - does not provide access by SSH to the system - does not have a resistive touchscreen (to address single pixel) So, an iPhone is no option for me; if my Freerunner will fail, I will try to get it working again, and I will wait until the next generation of OpenSource phones, even if I would have to reactivate my old Siemens S10 for some time, meanwhile waiting. Give me UNIX or give me a pencil :-) Do I interpret you correclty, that your answer to my questions are: * I will wait *any* time, as long as it fulfills my opensource requirements As long as there is nothing like a GTA03, I have to wait. Stop waiting does not give me the GTA03. So I will wait any time... hoping that my GTA02 lasts a while. * I accept any price I would pay the costs of similar but closed hardware and additional 100 - 200 maybe 300 EUR for the opensource and non-industrial approach. I would like to see a GTA03 phone with better gsm sound quality, faster cpu, umts (or something like that) and less stability issues with wifi, suspending, graphics/X11 and rotating. Julius ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Am 13.08.2010 um 03:45 schrieb Joshua Judson Rosen: Brian bn...@rochester.rr.com writes: On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:55:21 +0200 Dr. Michael Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Unfortunately the freedom loving people are doomed to either work on anti-vendor-ports (such as HTC devices etc.) or live with one of the semi-free alternatives (Palm Pre, Nokia N900). Right now there is no device rivaling the FreeRunner's openness, nothing comes close. I wouldn't necessarily color all ports of FOSS as anti-vendor. In fact don't they demonstrate the versatility and adaptability of FOSS in relation to all hardware, especially hardware that isn't open? That's a good thing if the goal is to strive towards choice for consumers. Granted it's not the ideal situation but it is a step in the right direction. The term anti-vendor port initially struck me as a little odd, as well, but now I think that Mickey is using a fairly strict definition of anti-, meaning contrary to--with anti-vendor meaning contrary to the vendor or (more clearly) contrary to the wishes or actions of the vendor. Correct. This is exactly what I mean – the vendor is not going to help you and chances are it has taken measures to make your job really hard (such as using completely undocumented custom silicon, let alone e-fuses or nightmares alike). :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
I totaly agree with Mattias! 2010/8/13 Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de El día Friday, August 13, 2010 a las 11:49:13AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escribió: Am 13.08.2010 um 11:37 schrieb Matthias Apitz: El día Friday, August 13, 2010 a las 11:22:02AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escribió: Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN: Hi, When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D video and faster processor) is going to be released??? Assume, you could get a motherboard upgrade board that fits into the Freerunner (or Neo1973) case. Based on the TI OMAP3 SoC (OMAP3530 or DM3730) and UMTS. Let me ask two questions to everybody: * How long could you be willing to wait for it to really become available? * How much would you think you could afford to pay for such a board? Wrong question, for me. I will not use any other 'smartphone' (computerphone), which: - is not Linux or FreeBSD driven and open as Linux/FreeBSD are normaly - does not have X11 - does not provide access by SSH to the system - does not have a resistive touchscreen (to address single pixel) So, an iPhone is no option for me; if my Freerunner will fail, I will try to get it working again, and I will wait until the next generation of OpenSource phones, even if I would have to reactivate my old Siemens S10 for some time, meanwhile waiting. Give me UNIX or give me a pencil :-) Do I interpret you correclty, that your answer to my questions are: * I will wait *any* time, as long as it fulfills my opensource requirements yes; * I accept any price yes, any price in the range of my Freerunner, more or less; or even 500 euro, depends on my economic situation in that moment; matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ Solidarity with the zionistic pirates of Israel? Not in my name! ¿Solidaridad con los piratas sionistas de Israel? ¡No en mi nombre! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
WikiReader sales and the future of Openmoko Was: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Hi community, I want to share a few news about WikiReader and Openmoko Inc. I am publishing with permission my short interview with Sean Moss-Pultz the CEO of Openmoko Inc.: ___ May I have a question? How is it going with WikiReader? Are WikiReader sales satisfactory? Much better than expected. We're getting into major US retailers this summer. And launching in Japan tomorrow. We've already sold 4x the total number of FreeRunners. And we're just getting into the channel now. So I'm quite excited about our chances with this product! I wonder if you and your company are planning to create more open source/open design devices, maybe successor of Neo? Absolutely! WikiReader is fundamental to this. What we're doing is getting our channel setup. To survive in consumer electronics you need volume. And still, the only way to get volume is through retail stores. So everything we're doing is focusing on making that successful. Then we can build more product that stand for the same principles (open) that got us started. ___ Regards, Martin 'Martix' Holec PS: I heard on IRC something about next Openmoko phone running Android. I think, it's a good idea. Android will provide stable software and community can port existing fully open distributions like SHR, Qt Moko etc., which it should be easier on open hardware. After experience with Neo FreeRunner it seems like better plan. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Am 13.08.2010 um 12:35 schrieb Neil Brown: On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:22:02 +0200 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN: Hi, When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D video and faster processor) is going to be released??? Assume, you could get a motherboard upgrade board that fits into the Freerunner (or Neo1973) case. Based on the TI OMAP3 SoC (OMAP3530 or DM3730) and UMTS. Let me ask two questions to everybody: * How long could you be willing to wait for it to really become available? * How much would you think you could afford to pay for such a board? Is there a serious possibility of this? I wasn't open enough, intentionally :) Yes, there is a serious possibility. The Openmoko Beagle Hybrid Board is a first step for those who want to be early participants of this new era. In addition, we (a small project team in Munich, Germany) have mostly finished our homework (i.e. doing prototypes and experiments like the OM Beagle Hybrid, doing PCB layout) to be sure that it *can* be done. Really building such boards will still cost a significant amount of money (for paying components, professional PCB manufacturing and SMD soldering) and time (therefore: my question how long you would wait). I'm willing to wait a couple of years at least. And the 500 Euro number that It will definitively not take several years. people are throwing around seems OK. To finance the next phase, we are thinking about asking for donations or to hold an auction for the first 5 or 10 prototype units. What would you think of such an approach? Would this be re-using the case, display and touch screen and replacing everything else? Yes, that is the idea. More information (e.g. complete feature list) and openness (as suggested by arne anka) is to come soon. Please watch out for announcements in the next couple of weeks... Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Am Freitag 13 August 2010, 11:47:26 schrieb sam tygier: On 13/08/10 10:37, Matthias Apitz wrote: Give me UNIX or give me a pencil :-) +1 with emphasis on being about to modify I won't buy something without documented test/solder pads for hardware extensions. Christoph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Am 13.08.2010 um 19:33 schrieb Christoph Mair: Am Freitag 13 August 2010, 11:47:26 schrieb sam tygier: On 13/08/10 10:37, Matthias Apitz wrote: Give me UNIX or give me a pencil :-) +1 with emphasis on being about to modify I won't buy something without documented test/solder pads for hardware extensions. +1 such a thing is quite unlikely to expect from any large phone manufacturer. Even if they open up an existing design. They ususally squeeze every bit out of the design to reduce manufacturing cost and may have very special test procedures. And they may change internals every now and then to improve their production process. I.e. you may get version B4 this week and someone else version C7 in two weeks with differences in the not-documented area. So we have to design a new GTA04 ourselves and add hardware extension pads to the requirements list... Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader sales and the future of Openmoko Was: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Am 13.08.2010 um 17:08 schrieb Martix: Hi community, I want to share a few news about WikiReader and Openmoko Inc. I am publishing with permission my short interview with Sean Moss-Pultz the CEO of Openmoko Inc.: ___ May I have a question? How is it going with WikiReader? Are WikiReader sales satisfactory? Much better than expected. We're getting into major US retailers this summer. And launching in Japan tomorrow. We've already sold 4x the total number of FreeRunners. And we're just getting into the channel now. So I'm quite excited about our chances with this product! That is good news! I wonder if you and your company are planning to create more open source/open design devices, maybe successor of Neo? Absolutely! WikiReader is fundamental to this. What we're doing is getting our channel setup. To survive in consumer electronics you need volume. And still, the only way to get volume is through retail stores. So everything we're doing is focusing on making that successful. Then we can build more product that stand for the same principles (open) that got us started. ___ Regards, Martin 'Martix' Holec PS: I heard on IRC something about next Openmoko phone running Android. I think, it's a good idea. Android will provide stable software and community can port existing fully open distributions like SHR, Qt Moko etc., which it should be easier on open hardware. After experience with Neo FreeRunner it seems like better plan. If a new Openmoko phone is based on the OMAP3 like the BeagleBoard, there are at least 3 different Android ports (in addition to anything else like SHR, QtMoko, Debian, FreeBSD, ...). One of them is Rowboat (http://code.google.com/p/rowboat/wiki/BeagleBoard). Another project just today announced this on the beagleboard.org list: Hi, We are pleased to release the Android - Froyo port for OMAP-3530 BeagleBoard. This release enables developers evaluate CoreDruid's custom Android-Froyo port for BeagleBoard. This release has minimum set of features like 1. Android Froyo 2. Qwerty keyboard 3. USB Mouse We will release more stable feature enriched version in near future. The source code and build instructions are available at: http://coredruids.org/ http://coredruids.org/?page_id=77 We appreciate your joining our open source initiative, reviewing our work and sharing your knowledge experiences with us. Google groups : coredru...@googlegroups.com Source code repositories : http://gitorious.org/~coredruidshttp://gitorious.org/%7Ecoredruids(Android Enablement) Follow us on twitter : http://twitter.com/coredruids Thanks CoreDruids Team If someone wants to try and/or help one of these projects to support a Freerunner type touchscreen, that can be done with the new Openmoko Beagle Hybrid board approach. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Am 13.08.2010 um 11:51 schrieb arne anka: Assume, you could get a motherboard upgrade board that fits into the Freerunner (or Neo1973) case. Based on the TI OMAP3 SoC (OMAP3530 or DM3730) and UMTS. Let me ask two questions to everybody: * How long could you be willing to wait for it to really become available? * How much would you think you could afford to pay for such a board? - re waiting: since most people change their phones after a couple of years, waiting shouldn't be an issue -- per se. more important would be to see a definite progress and sufficient informatrion about the way development takes (including delays, glitches and so on). Another question: where would you like such status messages and discussions take place? Here on the community list? Or on the om-devel-list? Or on a new, project specific devel/issues list? Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[wikireader] There are updates!
I just noticed that there are updated WikiReader files available. Happened a couple months ago. I don't think this was announced on the list at the time (or at least I didn't see it whizzing by). I see that the little gizmo can handle multiple wikis now. You can put subdirectories on the SD card and it knows how to use them. This is excellent. There are a bunch of languages available, as well as English Wiktionary and English Wikiquote. See: http://thewikireader.com/update/ If you want to use torrents for downloading instead, go here: http://dev.thewikireader.com/beta-language-packs/ (That page is labeled 'Beta', but the links now appear to be pointing to the same files listed on the other page.) There's a developer blog too: http://dev.thewikireader.com/ P.S. Can anybody give a list of 16GB SD cards that are known to work in the WikiReader? Or should we expect that they all will work? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 07:18:36PM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 13.08.2010 um 12:35 schrieb Neil Brown: On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:22:02 +0200 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN: Hi, When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D video and faster processor) is going to be released??? Assume, you could get a motherboard upgrade board that fits into the Freerunner (or Neo1973) case. Based on the TI OMAP3 SoC (OMAP3530 or DM3730) and UMTS. Let me ask two questions to everybody: * How long could you be willing to wait for it to really become available? * How much would you think you could afford to pay for such a board? Is there a serious possibility of this? I wasn't open enough, intentionally :) Yes, there is a serious possibility. Thank you! The Openmoko Beagle Hybrid Board is a first step for those who want to be early participants of this new era. In addition, we (a small project team in Munich, Germany) have mostly finished our homework (i.e. doing prototypes and experiments like the OM Beagle Hybrid, doing PCB layout) to be sure that it *can* be done. Really building such boards will still cost a significant amount of money (for paying components, professional PCB manufacturing and SMD soldering) and time (therefore: my question how long you would wait). I'm willing to wait a couple of years at least. And the 500 Euro number that It will definitively not take several years. people are throwing around seems OK. To finance the next phase, we are thinking about asking for donations or to hold an auction for the first 5 or 10 prototype units. What would you think of such an approach? I'm not keen on either (although would consider a donation). What about a pre-order? Would this be re-using the case, display and touch screen and replacing everything else? Yes, that is the idea. More information (e.g. complete feature list) and openness (as suggested by arne anka) is to come soon. Please watch out for announcements in the next couple of weeks... Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] There are updates!
They just posted the release, so it is not 2 months old. I finally got it downloaded last night, but had some problems getting it loaded correctly. I'll try again once I get home from work tonight. Also, screen keyboard seems to be more responsive. Also, I was able to flash a new boot rom that gives me a Hitchhikers Guide Dont Panic splash screen. On Friday, August 13, 2010 12:59:02 pm Doug Jones wrote: I just noticed that there are updated WikiReader files available. Happened a couple months ago. I don't think this was announced on the list at the time (or at least I didn't see it whizzing by). I see that the little gizmo can handle multiple wikis now. You can put subdirectories on the SD card and it knows how to use them. This is excellent. There are a bunch of languages available, as well as English Wiktionary and English Wikiquote. See: http://thewikireader.com/update/ If you want to use torrents for downloading instead, go here: http://dev.thewikireader.com/beta-language-packs/ (That page is labeled 'Beta', but the links now appear to be pointing to the same files listed on the other page.) There's a developer blog too: http://dev.thewikireader.com/ P.S. Can anybody give a list of 16GB SD cards that are known to work in the WikiReader? Or should we expect that they all will work? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:02:35 +0200 Dr. Michael Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Am 13.08.2010 um 03:45 schrieb Joshua Judson Rosen: Brian bn...@rochester.rr.com writes: On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:55:21 +0200 Dr. Michael Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Unfortunately the freedom loving people are doomed to either work on anti-vendor-ports (such as HTC devices etc.) or live with one of the semi-free alternatives (Palm Pre, Nokia N900). Right now there is no device rivaling the FreeRunner's openness, nothing comes close. I wouldn't necessarily color all ports of FOSS as anti-vendor. In fact don't they demonstrate the versatility and adaptability of FOSS in relation to all hardware, especially hardware that isn't open? That's a good thing if the goal is to strive towards choice for consumers. Granted it's not the ideal situation but it is a step in the right direction. The term anti-vendor port initially struck me as a little odd, as well, but now I think that Mickey is using a fairly strict definition of anti-, meaning contrary to--with anti-vendor meaning contrary to the vendor or (more clearly) contrary to the wishes or actions of the vendor. Correct. This is exactly what I mean – the vendor is not going to help you and chances are it has taken measures to make your job really hard (such as using completely undocumented custom silicon, let alone e-fuses or nightmares alike). :M: It seems I got the wrong impression from the term anti-vendor. The context seems more obvious to me now than when I initially read your post. Sorry about the confusion. I think Openmoko was ahead of the curve in offering a device like the Freerunner. In a subsequent post you mention that the cost of RD isn't as prohibitive as one would think. Perhaps someone will pick up where Openmoko left off. It's a niche market but I find the phone quite usable even if it is a bit quirky at times. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:22:02 +0200 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN: Hi, When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D video and faster processor) is going to be released??? Assume, you could get a motherboard upgrade board that fits into the Freerunner (or Neo1973) case. Based on the TI OMAP3 SoC (OMAP3530 or DM3730) and UMTS. Let me ask two questions to everybody: * How long could you be willing to wait for it to really become available? As long as it takes for one to become available. I prefer the concept of using something that is as open as possible by design. * How much would you think you could afford to pay for such a board? People have been tossing the 500 euro (~$638 USD) benchmark around and that's a bit steep for me. Depending on the capabilities of the board and provided it's a drop in replacement I'd say ~$300-350 USD would be my limit. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] There are updates!
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:41:25 -0500 Jeff jcolb...@netins.net wrote: Also, I was able to flash a new boot rom that gives me a Hitchhikers Guide Dont Panic splash screen. I'd consider buying one just for that feature alone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] There are updates!
After I make sure everything is working correctly, I'll post the rom image and procedure to flash online. Like any other flash though, you can brick the device. On Friday, August 13, 2010 02:23:20 pm Brian wrote: On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:41:25 -0500 Jeff jcolb...@netins.net wrote: Also, I was able to flash a new boot rom that gives me a Hitchhikers Guide Dont Panic splash screen. I'd consider buying one just for that feature alone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community attachment: splash2.png___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
found the link to the samsung open sourcing hw specs http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-releases-captivate-source-code-developers ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Le 13-08-2010, à 19:45:51 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller (h...@computer.org) a écrit : such a thing is quite unlikely to expect from any large phone manufacturer. Even if they open up an existing design. They ususally squeeze every bit out of the design to reduce manufacturing cost and may have very special test procedures. And they may change internals every now and then to improve their production process. I.e. you may get version B4 this week and someone else version C7 in two weeks with differences in the not-documented area. Nikolaus, couldn't you wrap your lines to something more standard (72 or so ?) Thanks, I like reading your prose, but those long lines are really irritating. Kind regards, steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] eStarDict
Hi! I released the third version of eStarDict. I just sent the recipe to the SHR-devel mainling list, so I think that it will be available soon. In the wiki there are more info: http://www.vaudano.eu/wiki/en/estardict If you use it, let me know here: https://www.ohloh.net/p/estardict If you want to add your native language you can use this Launchpad page: https://translations.launchpad.net/estardict Have a nice day! Ciao Luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] eStarDict
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Mike Crash m...@mikecrash.com wrote: Hello, It works good with Longman dictionary, but I have tried with czech-english dictionary, but it doesn't works, it says incompatible dictionary (or something like that). But it seems like good stardict dictionary, or not? [1] http://packages.debian.org/sid/stardict-english-czech Hi now the czech-english dictionary should work. I remind you that my program, right now, can manage only one dictionary per instance, so I divided the debian package in two files, you can retrieve them here: http://www.vaudano.eu/wiki/en/estardictTestedDictionaries Best regards Luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Em 13-08-2010 10:37, Matthias Apitz escreveu: Wrong question, for me. I will not use any other 'smartphone' (computerphone), which: - is not Linux or FreeBSD driven and open as Linux/FreeBSD are normaly Ah, so you'll not be using any Android/Linux, I see :) Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Em 13-08-2010 10:56, Matthias Apitz escreveu: Em 13-08-2010 10:49, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escreveu: Do I interpret you correclty, that your answer to my questions are: * I will wait *any* time, as long as it fulfills my opensource requirements yes; * I accept any price yes, any price in the range of my Freerunner, more or less; or even 500 euro, depends on my economic situation in that moment; Add me as a metoo if you want. I had a Nokia 6600 (I regret the 500€ but I extended them as much as I could), shortly after I learn of OpenMoko. I decided to try to keep 6600 until Freerunner comes out, but sadly one year before that I sent it for a 20 min swim. Still no Freerunner, so I get a cheap Nokia 2760 (GTA01 was clearly too early for me), lasts until today carrying my job's SIM (the work phone is *that* crappy). My main phone, carrying my personal SIM is OpenMoko and I'm treating it as carefully as I can to extend it's life well beyond the current two years, 1.5 of them with definite usage :) If it breaks, and no viable alternative exists, I hope to get an A7+, or A7, or A6, or A5+buzz fix (in this decreasing order of preference). Even with all the bugs and immaturity of the platform, I'm so passionate for Free Software I rather go through all this again than go back to proprietary phones or get a pseudo-open phone (Android/Linux, Meego, etc...). To all SHR and FSO core develpers: a *HUGE* thank you, I'm only sorry I can't help out more. Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:27:38 +0100 Ben Thompson b...@thompson.org.uk wrote: To finance the next phase, we are thinking about asking for donations or to hold an auction for the first 5 or 10 prototype units. What would you think of such an approach? I'm not keen on either (although would consider a donation). What about a pre-order? I'm not keen on an auction as it tends to focus on getting large amounts money from few people - those many who have modest amounts of money get excluded. I'm not very keen of straight donations either as you really need a strong accountability structure before donations are at all safe, and I don't think you want to go that way. I like pre-order, but I wonder about combining them all... Choose a maximum subscription and a minimum price. Invite people to pre-order and pay the minimum price or greater as they choose. Only take orders up to the maximum subscription. As units become available, fill orders in order of the price paid starting with those who paid the most. Publish basic statistics about orders received so far and allow people to know their position. Also allow people to top-up their orders to climb the list. That way people can donate and are rewarded by getting a phone sooner - but everyone still gets a phone. The maximum subscription ensures that no-one will continually be over-taken by someone new paying a little bit more. An unfortunate quirk of this method is that those who pay the most - and get the first phone - may end up with a phone that is defective as some bug may not have been found yet. (obviously people pay postage plus minimum price plus extra). Just an thought.. NeilBrown ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
