Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Von: Marc Bantle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wolfgang Spraul wrote: 1. how many people want this? +1 +1 2. does anyone in the community step up and compile the distribution for GTA01? (there will be some work: size reduction, GPS chip, etc) I'd be fine with a tar.gz - image to put on SD-card. So size reduction is not necessarily an issue. Actually I'd rather have the complete 2008.08 suite. How are other GTA01 users thinc about that? +1 cheers -homyx -- for Windows problems reboot for Linux problems be root ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB keyboards silent in terminal (FSO)
Von: Fredrik Wendt I bought a USB gender changer (5€) and today I've played with it to see what the smartphone's capable of. I really only have one goal and that is to avoid having to buy a BT keyboard for faster input in the terminal. I've been able to connect two keyboards, they light up but doesn't work in the terminal (FSO). Is there something I can do to enable input from these external devices? snip several lines Do you want to use a USB keyboard with your FR? I found in the community ML following answer, but I have not tested though... In [1] Michael Sheldon said: -- I am, it's pretty simple, just run: echo host /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode echo 1 /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode This'll put the Freerunner in to powered USB host mode, then just plug in the keyboard and it'll work. Personally I've made a .desktop file to switch into and out of host mode. To switch back to unpowered device mode just run: echo device /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode echo 0 /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode - HTH -homyx [1] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/025729.html -- for Windows problems reboot for Linux problems be root ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!
Von: thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the 1973?! None of us can confirm this, our 1973 are mostly ok, only the Freerunners make problems. I had also big problems getting a fix with the 1973 (I only had a fix once). I will try my 1973 and FR against this issue. Thx for the hint! -homyx -- for Windows problems reboot for Linux problems be root ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Presentation and some questions about flashing Freerunner
Von: Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was flashing my Frerunner this morning and all was fine. I tryed the scaredy cat images without inconvenience but when I tried the qtopia ones I got an Error during download message. After that I can not boot in a correct image. I have reinstalled uBoot and I'm trying to go back to the scaredy cat image, but any time I tried the flashing I'm getting all the time Starting download: [dfu_download error -62, Error during download. I tried also Nand erase. It seems to work fine but in new re-flashing Have you done a plain nand erase? or did you use a nand erase kernel or something like this. Just some notes on nand erase xy from what I recall: The nand erase xy was needed for the Neo1973 to fix a bug from uboot (iirc). The bug (for Neo1973 (GTA01) ) was about flashing smaller images (compared to the last installed one) to the nand. Here some older data remained in the partition and caused problems. With newer uboot version the nand erase xy was not needed anymore. A plain nand erase (so without the partition name) erased the whole nand storage (including the BBT (bad block table iirc)). After a plain nand erase the Neo1973 (GTA01) bricked (because the uboot has been also erased). The debug-board is needed for unbricking the Neo1973 (GTA01). BTW: The BBT can also be restored. All of the information above apply to the Neo1973! The FreeRunner has a second (backup) bootloader in NOR. This bootloader can not be flashed without a debug-board. You should be save here :) If you did a plain nand erase I would suggest that you boot into NOR and reflash the NAND bootloader. I don't think that a nand erase xy is actually needed for the FreeRunner --- Please correct if I am wrong. thx I'm getting: Opening USB Device 0x:0x... No such Alternate Setting: kernel I can not say anything here. I hope is not an unreparable damage. Somebody can point me a solution? If there is a need to get the hardware board I will do it, but I hope that I can find a software solution for this. I don't think so. Thanks goes to OM for the second (and save) bootloader :) I hope that helps... -homyx -- for Windows problems reboot for Linux problems be root ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: LCD protector
On Sonntag, 13. April 2008, Ortwin Regel wrote: They are a little too big but work well nonetheless. I also attached some LCD protector. A little too big is not a problem. I didn't even cut it. I just attached to directly [1] Openness Like Make Magazine we believe If you can't open it, you don't own it. [2] -- have fun - homyx [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo1973 [2] http://openmoko.com/products-neo-advanced-03-hardware.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner spare parts
On Donnerstag, 27. März 2008, steve wrote: Maybe I just create a spares product? with 3 batteries, and some other goodies thrown in? What goodies would go in that bag? In one of the first announcements there was a car holder (including a car charger). Do they still/already exist? cheers - homyx ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
On Mittwoch, 19. März 2008, Carlo E. Prelz wrote: Quoting Peter Trapp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Well, I've paid 300€ (=300$) for Neo1973 even without any reseller and group purchasing with two other guys to save shipping costs (to Germany)!! So, where is the big problem? You can go to www.oanda.com/convert/classic to have currency conversions for any date. Oh nice. I've search for end of April 2008 and didn't get any result? Also there is no real date when the Freerunner will be available. And also not how much it will cost. On the date of Sean's famous Get them while they're still hot! message, when ordering for Neo's was opened (9 July 07), 300$ equalled 220.216 euros. Today, the same 300$ equal 190.317 euros. This *should* be evident from the pricing. That is true and really a point! But how much will the exchange rate at end of April? In [1] it is said that (discussion between ScaredyCat and TRIsoft): TRIsoft 399$ would make 257 EUR TRIsoft Shipping from China / Taiwan / US appr. $70 to Europe TRIsoft is $469, makes 302 EUR TRIsoft plus 19% VAT is 360 EUR for a self import at the actual price. TRIsoft 399 EUR for the preorders is what we fixed during the meetings with a capping if the USD should fall in April TRIsoft Be sure, that we will lower the price, if possible. TRIsoft Actually, all we can say is: A device in Europe will cost not more than 399 EUR. TRIsoft Including all legal expenses and VAT TRIsoft And, believe me, the profit is not big. Profit may be less than zero if we run into warranty problems. TRIsoft We're in daily contact with the people at OM and i hope that we'll be able to lower the EU price a bit. But we'll never get 250 EUR. snip Resellers should get their profit from buying large quantities at a discounted price, I believe. Yes, I think so ... Don't get me wrong, the lower the price the better ;) cheers, - homyx [1]: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-March/014226.html -- It is hardly possible forecasting particularly for the future... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
On Mittwoch, 19. März 2008, Lally Singh wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was reading Planet OpenMoko and found the following at http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/03/18/from-switzerland-to -brazil/ The price range for the Neo FreeRunner has been published, it's going to be less than 400 USD — which is quite a substantial improvement over the estimated 650 that was published last year. Was the price range really published? Where is it? Equally important -- is that the stock unit price or the dev kit? The latter would be fantastic, but I fear it's just the former. Michael Lauer said, that there will not be any advanced box anymore[1]. The range (IMHO of the basic set) will be between 350 - 450 as said by mickeyl ... cheers -homyx [1] Talk at OpenExpo 2008at ~ 22:22 min (German) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2115673181798091662q=openexpo+openmoko+2008total=2start=0num=10so=0type=searchplindex=0 (this link can also be found at the above mentioned webpage ;) ) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
On Mittwoch, 19. März 2008, Andy Powell wrote: On Wednesday 19 March 2008 16:10, Steven ** wrote: Was reading Planet OpenMoko and found the following at http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/03/18/from-switzerland-to -b razil/ The price range for the Neo FreeRunner has been published, it's going to be less than 400 USD — which is quite a substantial improvement over the estimated 650 that was published last year. Was the price range really published? Where is it? One can only hope that 'trisoft' aren't the official distributor in Europe since they have the Freerunner priced at a 'preorder' price of 400EUR I'm going to say it once and very very loudly... 400USD != 400EUR If this is an indication of the pricing for Europe, please arrange for some European versions to get shipped to the USA where we can buy them and have them shipped to Europe. /rant Well, I've paid 300€ (=300$) for Neo1973 even without any reseller and group purchasing with two other guys to save shipping costs (to Germany)!! So, where is the big problem? cheers -homyx ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Idea of a voice mail application
Hi everybody, I thought about the possibility of a voice mail installed on the neo. The idea is to let the application decide if you are reachable for the caller or not. The decision will be done on profiles (time, who is calling, what to do (let it ring or answer directly) ). Eg: Saturday 10:00pm and your boss is calling (and you have a signal) Neo is aware that it is weekend and who is calling. It just turns on the voice mail... Dear Boss, actually it is weekend and I just don't want to get some work right now. Sorry, my neo will not even inform me that you've called. So don't try again later. It would not help until Monday 9am! Have a nice weekend --- without the possibility to leave a message ;) Or another example: A friend name is calling but you just do not hear the phone. Neo waits a couple of seconds and turns on the voice mail saying: Hi name, sorry it seems I just do not hear my mobile. Leave a message or try again in a few minutes... *cheep* Any additional ideas / thoughts? I will help in realizing this application but I just do not have enough time to do it alone. Any takers? cheers -homyx ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea of a voice mail application
On Freitag, 29. Februar 2008, Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Peter Trapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought about the possibility of a voice mail installed on the neo. The idea is to let the application decide if you are reachable for the caller or not. The decision will be done on profiles (time, who is calling, what to do (let it ring or answer directly) ). I proposed that on another thread. I think it's doable, and there is software to do it already (asterisk, vgetty, some alternatives to asterisk that I haven't explored yet). Many thanks for the advice. I try to find that thread and go through :) But since the call is being answered, some minutes are going to be paid for (in the US the recipient pays and elsewhere the caller pays). It would be nice to get the cooperation of the carrier to do stuff like this, but good luck negotiating with them. Yes, I guess the caller has to pay. I thought I will always pay, if I call a voice mail ;S I don't think I can change anything here... I think there is an AT command to reject a call, right? So you could send incoming calls directly to your carrier's voicemail service, based on time of day and caller ID etc., but you couldn't customize the voicemail; it would be the same for everyone. This is also a nice idea. As said, I will search and go through the thread :) cheers -homyx ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A bit of fun - freerunner and the wisdom of crowds
On Freitag, 8. Februar 2008, JW wrote: [snip] So now I think we should apply this to helping team OpenMoko to decide how many FreeRunner's they should manufacture in their first run *based on how many people they think will buy a Freerunner in the first two months from launch*. Rather than have a ridiculous number of answers in this thread we need someone in the OpenMoko community to whip up a little webpage script which allows you to * enter your nick * click yes/no if you will buy yourself * enter your guess for no. sold in first two months * press button to see results (min/max/ave/no.of votes/no.of intended purchasers) Anyone offering to make the webpage? Beside of some suggestions you made, a similar webpage already exist: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buying_Interest_List Have fun improving it :) cheers - homyx ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is there any MPlayer running on Neo1973/OpenMoko platform?
On Montag, 26. November 2007, Mete Fikirlier wrote: Hi, I have just received a Neo1973 and wanted to use MPlayer. Is there any MPlayer running on Neo1973? I found the following statement at the bottom of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Media_Player Is there anything i can use just to see video playing on the neo? A: Yes, there is a version of mplayer floating around somewhere (mplayer-arm920t) which runs on the neo. URL unknown, ask in the IRC channel for a copy. It seems to play MPEG files around 320x240 at an ok framerate. There is also an ipk package which you can easily install from a repository... ipkg update ipkg install mplayer Dunno if there is a gui for using it ?! cheers -homyx ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dev environment - one more time
Von: Hans van der Merwe [EMAIL PROTECTED] anyone have the dev environment going in openSUSE 10.2? Got it running with some workarounds. Im still struggling and the info at OpenEmbedded is too Debian biased. Could you please describe your the struggling point? I can try to port this to openSuSe :) I know you are struggling with OE. Therefore these are just some additional notes: Have you checked this side: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:MokoMakefile#openSUSE_10.2_workarounds which gcc version are you using? gcc 4.x is not supported... If you experienced other problems, please describe them in more detail... cheers -homyx -- for Windows problems reboot for Linux problems be root ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Import Duty - I have refused my delivery.
On Friday 03 August 2007 14:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thomas: Importation of computer devices and peripherals to the EU is indeed both VAT and import duty exempt - it appears that the description of the goods, compounded with the value statement, has led to this issue. It is indeed OpenMoko's error in not understanding the rules and I hold them responsible for not disclosing that fact. When I can import USD$50,000 prototypes for computer peripheral units without paying VAT and without paying import duty, I expect to be able to do the same for a USD$450 prototype. I would not expect this. I've talked to some guys from UPS regarding VAT. They told me that I have to pay VAT if the price of the more than 22€. This information belongs to germany (dunno if I can extend this to the EU). Btw I didn't had to pay import duty... - homyx Not to get into a flame war but, for your reference, VAT is 17.5% in the UKand I ordered the Advanced... Have fun! David. From: Thomas Gstädtner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 August 2007 13:12 To: David Prior Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Import Duty - I have refused my delivery. Well, you chose to live in the wrong country (or the wrong continent). You should know what expects you if YOU IMPORT a device. This is not the fault of OpenMoko (Inc.). Also there is no duty on computing devices and mobile phones in the EU - so I guess you are wrong. GBP60 sounds like VAT (15.5% in UK), seems you have ordered the basic device, so this IS VAT, no duty! VAT is levied by your country, not by FIC/OpenMoko and if you chose to import you WILL have to pay VAT every time - and the one you import from doesn't have to find out for you how much it is (as it is charged by the customs, not by the company). 2007/8/3, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Just thought you all might like to know that OpenMoko shipments are attracting import duty in the United Kingdom. Despite paying USD104.99 for 'expedited' shipping, my order arrived with a demand for GBP57.19 in import duty. This should either be factored into the shipping charge or, as these devices are technically 'computer peripherals', described as 'computer peripherals' in order that they do not attract import duty. I have REFUSED my delivery and it is being returned to the depot and, presumably, will be returned to sender. I either want a new shipment that does not attract import duty *or* I want a full refund. I know these are developer releases but I would have hoped that OpenMoko would have sorted out the international shipping issues properly. I'm annoyed! David. This email and any files attached are intended for the addressee and may contain information of a confidential nature. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that this email was sent to you in error and you should not disclose, distribute, print, copy or make other use of this email or its attachments. Such actions, in fact, may be unlawful. In compliance with the various Regulations and Acts, General Dynamics United Kingdom Limited reserves the right to monitor (and examine for viruses) all emails and email attachments, both inbound and outbound. Email communications and their attachments may not be secure or error- or virus-free and the company does not accept liability or responsibility for such matters or the consequences thereof. General Dynamics United Kingdom Limited, Registered Office: 100 New Bridge Street, London EC4V 6JA. Registered in England and Wales No: 1911653. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community This email and any files attached are intended for the addressee and may contain information of a confidential nature. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that this email was sent to you in error and you should not disclose, distribute, print, copy or make other use of this email or its attachments. Such actions, in fact, may be unlawful. In compliance with the various Regulations and Acts, General Dynamics United Kingdom Limited reserves the right to monitor (and examine for viruses) all emails and email attachments, both inbound and outbound. Email communications and their attachments may not be secure or error- or virus-free and the company does not accept liability or responsibility for such matters or the consequences thereof. General Dynamics United Kingdom Limited, Registered Office: 100 New Bridge Street, London EC4V 6JA. Registered in England and Wales No: 1911653. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Neo Pouch
I found an interesting strip inside of the neoPouch. Last but not least we can fix our stylus there :) OT: My phone received at about 09:30 :) and I'm from Germany ... -homyx -- for Windows problems reboot for Linux problems be root ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
hi again, I found the link (and several others) for updating thekernel, rootfs ( u-boot - be careful this can break the device, but you have an advanced set :) ) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1_FAQ http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Phase_1 cheers -homyx On Thursday 26 July 2007 18:43, Peter Trapp wrote: Have you checked this wiki? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1 Before you start The software installed on your device is a factory variant with very limited functionality. In fact, it may not even boot Linux. Therefore, before you start, please ... (update kernel? and rootfs) There should be also a link, which describes the procedure to power it up!!! That's the way I like! Before you can start you've to HACK into!! That's why the K is in openmoko :) -homyx On Thursday 26 July 2007 18:08, Mark Eichin wrote: Advanced kit arrived, yay! Batteries and uSD cards were missing, boo! The phone doesn't appear to power up off of the USB cable by itself, either... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
Have you checked this wiki? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1 Before you start The software installed on your device is a factory variant with very limited functionality. In fact, it may not even boot Linux. Therefore, before you start, please ... (update kernel? and rootfs) There should be also a link, which describes the procedure to power it up!!! That's the way I like! Before you can start you've to HACK into!! That's why the K is in openmoko :) -homyx On Thursday 26 July 2007 18:08, Mark Eichin wrote: Advanced kit arrived, yay! Batteries and uSD cards were missing, boo! The phone doesn't appear to power up off of the USB cable by itself, either... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I got charged ;)
what's your rt.internal number ? waiting eagerly :) Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: ...and shipping cost are LOWER than previously mentioned on the page: Your credit card has now been charged by the following amount: Subtotal: $300 USD Shipping: $67.89 USD Total: $367.89 USD Please note that this amount might be less than what was originally mentioned in the webshop, since we meanwhile got better shipping rates! This means that we will now send out your order ASAP. You will receive another status update once the order has been sent out. Way to go OpenMoko! cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I got charged ;)
FIC/openmoko did a create job :) many persons (incl me) are waiting to get charged on their credit cards like a small child shortly before christmas... Krzysztof Kajkowski schrieb: ...and shipping cost are LOWER than previously mentioned on the page: Your credit card has now been charged by the following amount: Subtotal: $300 USD Shipping: $67.89 USD Total: $367.89 USD Please note that this amount might be less than what was originally mentioned in the webshop, since we meanwhile got better shipping rates! This means that we will now send out your order ASAP. You will receive another status update once the order has been sent out. Way to go OpenMoko! cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openembedded with openSUSE 10.2
Are there news on that? thx -homyx Hans van der Merwe wrote: Anyone had luck getting the dev platform working in openSUSE 10.2? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openembedded with openSUSE 10.2
Thanks for the information, asap my computer is running again, I'll mess around with the open problems (if not closed so far)... George Barta wrote: I have been able to build the environment with the MokoMakefile, and run the emulator after a couple of workarounds. Unfortunatelly, I'm having no luck getting gadgetfs to behave properly in order to SSH into the phone. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile for more information on the makefile, and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:MokoMakefile#openSUSE_10.2_workarounds for the hacks. George On 7/19/07, Peter Trapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there news on that? thx -homyx Hans van der Merwe wrote: Anyone had luck getting the dev platform working in openSUSE 10.2? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping, Billing, etc
I'm not concerned about the number of units. It's more about the delivery date. On http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1_FAQ: Are there enough phones for the number of orders? Will FIC produce another GTA01 batch if needed? Of course. Please note that there is a lead time of four to six weeks. I don't want to wait another 6 weeks (~ End of August) to buy GTA02 2 month later... Daniel Robinson wrote: I had some concerns about this also. There has been very little info coming out from OpenMoko about the number of units of each type that have been ordered by developers and how many are available. Moreover, there hasn't been any information about where we are in the queue. All that has been said is that you get one email, then you get another email, then you get your dev unit. Do they expect me to keep hitting the refresh button like some blue-haired lady playing the nickel slots? On 7/19/07, *Giles Jones* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Benjamin Flanagin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : The limited number of neo's have got me worried that I might not be in the first batch. Have anyone been charged for the device yet? I'm ready to learn the ways of Openmoko Ninjitsu. One person has confirmed on the list that their order has been processed. There's a few factors, first there's two colours. Secondly there's two kits, the phone only and the phone + dev board kits. Maybe the white and orange versions will be in more supply? --- G O Jones ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping, Billing, etc
Ian Stirling wrote: Peter Trapp wrote: I don't want to wait another 6 weeks (~ End of August) to buy GTA02 2 month later... Based on basic sums of tickets and phones per order, it seems likely that the number of phones ordered is 800-1500 or so. It is very likely that there will be a delay. It's likely that there will be some delay for sure. IMO they had around 1000 on stoc for shipping (dunno where the number came from)... It's less the question if there will be a delay. More to whom it concerns ... If they kicked off the production process for the next batch on the 10th - after having several hundred orders - then 4 weeks comes around the 8th of August. Probably another week at least for shipping. So, at best, another month. At worst - if nobodies pressed the button, and the production time is 6 weeks, and this doesn't happen till they get the first batch out the door, we might be looking at the first days of November. first days of November ... ... probably they will just ship GTA02 ;) I guess it will be something in between (08/08 -- start of November) , but that's the point. There should be some statement on that... These are only my 2 cents. Don't count on GTA02... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping, Billing, etc
YES_I_DID :) or better we = group purchasing :) From our side everything went fine (#1952 - also not that fare away from Jason (#1820) if this mean something at all). I'm just curios... Rodolphe Ortalo schrieb: Hmm, btw, I did not even get a YES_I_DO message personnally... has everyone on the list received one against their order? Rodolphe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping, Billing, etc
From P1_Owners (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners) you can see 2 credit card charges: #1820#1821 (from the 07/18/07) highest number seen: #3882 -homyx Scott Rushforth wrote: Out of curiosity, Has anyone else seen their credit card charged? My order was only 1838, and my card has not been charged, nor have I received an ack, or any form of confirmation after replying with 'YES_I_DO'. Seems like they should be able to process at least 18 credit cards per day? Maybe Not? Ah well, whats another week, right? cheers -scott ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Get them while they're still hot!
On 7/9/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get them while they're still hot ;-) what happened to the in car mounting kit? or can we get a recommendation on a compatible model? I asked the same question on Sunday July 8, the official answer from sean was that they had problems with the cable and they decided to focus on more important stuff. Also he stated that the selling of the car kit will probably! start with the massmarket phone. Personally I don't car too much about the cable (I'm interested in the holder) but I fully understand! cheers -homyx ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Kit for purchasing
Sean Moss-Pultz schrieb: On Jul 8, 2007, at 7:22 PM, Peter Trapp wrote: In the first announements there were the possiblity to buy a car kit for the NEO1973. Are there news on that? Prices, Contents... Probably not until GTA02. We had some issues with the cables and decided not to focus on that now. Yes, ok! I can not even imagine the amount of work you did and that's so wonderfull... I just wanted to save a couple of shipping cost ;) Go on and forget about the car kit ... -homyx ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Store info - shipping costs to Germany
Von: David Pottage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: 10.07.07 07:43:09 Agreed, those shipping prices are a tad high. I think we should try to organise some order sharing via the Wiki, Perhaps someone with enough edit rights could create a new page sorted by country, and then people could add their name city. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Group_Order The side already exists. Maybe we can split it like http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Group_Order/de ?! feel free to edit... cheers -homyx ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Group purchase/shipping generally
Hello list, Thomas Gstädtner schrieb: before some days Hans van der Merwe asked, if it is possible to do group purchases (in South Africa). Unfortunately he got no answer, so I'd like to ask again. I'm from germany and I think there are many people here who like to buy a GTA01 device. If everyone orders a single device it are $20 to $40 for the shipment PLUS 19% VAT on the device INCLUDING the shipment. Are there news? I would also join/setup a groups purchasing (in Germany)... Best wishes - homyx ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Shop is open :)
Shop is open :) cheers -homyx ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Are these mobiles marked as sample
Hi, i found the following on the group purchasing wiki page: Don't forget to include incoming VAT which you've to pay to customs! Or maybe not, if the'll mark it as sample... Can we order it as a sample? Thanks -homyx ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community Digest, Vol 20, Issue 9
Actually not really, but we've a students project programming games for mobile devices (java) running, may I can exploit this ;) Another good point could be voice control and/or an user friendly UI for visually impaired persons. I've already talked to a professor who did a couple of students projects with embedded devices... /homyx Joseph Ryan Victoria schrieb: Hi Homyx, Wolfgang! Do you have any project in mind with regards to using Neo? I'm also taking my MS degree here in the Philippines and I'm focusing on mobile computing/telecoms too. Maybe you can share your thoughts. Thanks! - Ryan - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 3:03:23 AM Subject: community Digest, Vol 20, Issue 9 Send community mailing list submissions to community@lists.openmoko.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of homyx Sent: 24 March 2007 19:44 To: Wolfgang Silbermayr Cc: OpenMoko Subject: Re: Master Studies in Embedded systems starts in Pforzheim/Germany Wolfgang Silbermayr schrieb: I am just finishing the Bacchelor grade in HSSE (Hardware/Software Systems Engineering) in Hagenberg in Austria. Here at the university we have the master following to HSSE called Embedded Systems Design. In addition we also have a branch of study called Mobile Computing. I think it would be great if we could make OpenMoko popular there... I just don't know how to do this other than ordering my Neo and showing it to other people and hoping that the word of mouth will spread the information. This is just what I will do. Greetings, Wolfgang. If you're still at the university you should ask a professor for setting up a students project. I'm applied at the University of Applied Science in Ingolstadt (Germany) and I'm trying to allure a professor. The budget of a professor for his/her labor should be enough to buy 2-3 Neos for debugging reasons :) /homyx ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problem compiling openmoko with MokoMakefile
Gary Oliver: I've been trying to get the openmoko build (using the super Makefile) to go for the last few days without complete success. I believe I've followed the instructions with respect to the system requirements, and the build DOES get through about 12 hours of work (about 400meg has been downloaded and the build directory contains about 5 Gb before failing, so it seems to be quite well along. The failure comes at: NOTE: package gtk+-directfb-2.10.9-r0: task do_fetch: completed NOTE: package gtk+-directfb-2.10.9-r0: task do_unpack: started NOTE: Unpacking /home/go/Projects/openmoko/sources/gtk+-2.10.9.tar.bz2 to /home/go/Projects/openmoko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-linux/gtk+-directfb-2.10.9-r0/ NOTE: package gtk+-directfb-2.10.9-r0: task do_unpack: completed NOTE: package gtk+-directfb-2.10.9-r0: task do_patch: started NOTE: Applying patch 'no-xwc.patch' ERROR: Error in executing: /home/go/Projects/openmoko/openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+-directfb_2.10.9.bb ERROR: Exception:exceptions.IOError Message:[Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/go/Projects/openmoko/openembedded/packages/gtk+/files/./no-xwc.patch' I did a /home/moko$ find . -name no-xwc.patch ./openmoko/branches/oe/pre-20070305/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.10.3/no-xwc.patch ./openmoko/branches/oe/pre-20070305/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.6.10/no-xwc.patch ./openmoko/branches/oe/pre-20070305/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.10.6/no-xwc.patch ./openmoko/branches/oe/pre-20070305/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.4.13/no-xwc.patch ./openmoko/branches/oe/pre-20070305/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.8.16/no-xwc.patch ./openmoko/branches/oe/pre-20070305/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.2.4/no-xwc.patch ./openmoko/branches/oe/pre-20070305/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.8.9/no-xwc.patch ./openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.2.4/no-xwc.patch ./openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.4.13/no-xwc.patch ./openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.6.10/no-xwc.patch ./openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.8.9/no-xwc.patch ./openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.8.16/no-xwc.patch ./openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.10.9/no-xwc.patch ./openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.10.10/no-xwc.patch I decided to copy all patches from ...gtk+-2.10.9/ (because of 18:46:56 (97.93 KB/s) - »/home/moko/sources/gtk+-2.10.9.tar.bz2« saved [1490] ... ) /home/moko$ cp ./openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.10.9/* /home/moko/openembedded/packages/gtk+/files/./ The result is, that all patches appling: NOTE: package gtk+-directfb-2.10.9-r0: task do_patch: started NOTE: Applying patch 'no-xwc.patch' NOTE: Applying patch 'automake-lossage.patch' NOTE: Applying patch 'disable-tooltips.patch' NOTE: Applying patch 'gtklabel-resize-patch' NOTE: Applying patch 'menu-deactivate.patch' NOTE: Applying patch 'xsettings.patch' NOTE: Applying patch 'scroll-timings.patch' NOTE: Applying patch 'small-gtkfilesel.patch' NOTE: Applying patch 'migration.patch' NOTE: Applying patch 'run-iconcache.patch' NOTE: Applying patch 'hardcoded_libtool.patch' NOTE: Applying patch 'no-demos.patch' NOTE: Applying patch 'single-click.patch' NOTE: Applying patch 'spinbutton.patch' NOTE: Applying patch 'gtk+-handhelds.patch' But only the last one failed (known: `less /home/moko/openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+-directfb_2.10.9.bb`) NOTE: Applying patch 'directfb_pixbuf_deprecated_fix.patch' ERROR: Error in executing: /home/moko/openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+-directfb_2.10.9.bb I did not find the directfb_pixbuf..., neither by a locale find nor by a google find and also not with google openmoko find :-( I also checked the tarball gtk+-2.10.9.tar.bz2 (there's no other gtk inside of /home/moko/sources). The error is reproduceable... I did a `rm -rf sources build openmoko` `mtn update` (mtn was complaining about a missing file (mtpaint-??) ) `make update makefile` `make setup` `make openmoko-devel-image` rgd /homyx ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: useability of phase 1 phones
Hi, there's a description about the different phases on wiki.openmoko.org http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications There're 3 different section (stylus, panel and finger) AFAIK these are the appl which will be produced in that face, so starting phase-1 should include phase-0 appl. All others programs will drop in ;) So I think you will be able to use it as a phone but keep in mind it's a developer version, so maybe it's unstable ... rgd /homyx - I'm not a official openmoko speeker ... Hi, 2007/3/9, Martin Raißle [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hi, i know the phase 1 phones are some kind of developer preview, but i'm not sure about how preview they are. can i use them at least for calling and writing text messages (and maybe internet) or are even these basic functions still in development ... i need a new phone since my old one will say goodbye in few weeks and i'm not sure if i should get a neo1973 or another phone .. hope someone can help me I'm exactly in the same situation and would also like to know if at least calling, addressbook and writing/receiving SMS works. bye martin Thanks, Andreas hr ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- 'To free a man of error is to give, not to take away. Knowledge that a thing is false is a truth.' ---Schopenhauer--- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
