Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 01:49, Tim Coggins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:43 AM, Tim Erwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone point me towards some good Qtopia images? Latest qtopia image here: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=77 That appears to be the image that's causing the GSM problems people have experienced, although I'm assuming it's a kernel issue. I reinstalled this version to be sure I was testing the right one (I already had this one but had done some opkg upgrade since) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:36, Tim Coggins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I reinstalled this version to be sure I was testing the right one (I already had this one but had done some opkg upgrade since) How did you find the reliability for making and receiving calls and SMS's? I am trying to find some stable images to test as I am starting to worry that it's my phone that's is causing the problems. Well I had the previously released qtopia (24/07 maybe), and did opkg upgrades often (including kernel updates) Since the last update (08/08), well... I can't really tell about sms and gsm reliability difference since I did not used it enough. Just that I lastly experienced a bit more provider switching (because of unsufficient reception), and that may be related to poorer gsm reception/handling by freerunner... Now that I have came back to a clean install of 0808 image, I will retest reception of sms/calls while sleeping... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:53, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that I have came back to a clean install of 0808 image, I will retest reception of sms/calls while sleeping... (humm no, that is not me sleeping, juste the phone !) So for these very basic tasks Qtopia works not too bad for me : * Just tried, and sms do wake up immediately my phone, prompt me if I want to read the sms and if I choose Yes I can read it. * Lock screen issue : If my screen is locked before suspend, it keeps locked on wake by sms. I had to unlock before choosing Yes to read sms - perfect since it might have wake up in my pocket for exemple. There is a problem if it goes into suspend while not locked - in this case sms wakes the phone unlocked ! That's why it would be better if the lock screen was automatically activated before suspend. * I have never seen the phone waking up from suspend for other causes than power button, gsm call, or sms (such as GSM cell registration). (and I have 40 km travel each day, sometimes even roaming). I also tried to check yesterday that it was not, ie. waked up with just dimmed screen : even always tapping on the screen during the travel, it kept on suspend. I wonder what is done differently form 2007.2 or 2008.8 distro where it so often wakes up ? Does FSO work correctly ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
Cédric Berger skrev: On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:53, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that I have came back to a clean install of 0808 image, I will retest reception of sms/calls while sleeping... (humm no, that is not me sleeping, juste the phone !) So for these very basic tasks Qtopia works not too bad for me : * Just tried, and sms do wake up immediately my phone, prompt me if I want to read the sms and if I choose Yes I can read it. * Lock screen issue : If my screen is locked before suspend, it keeps locked on wake by sms. I had to unlock before choosing Yes to read sms - perfect since it might have wake up in my pocket for exemple. There is a problem if it goes into suspend while not locked - in this case sms wakes the phone unlocked ! That's why it would be better if the lock screen was automatically activated before suspend. * I have never seen the phone waking up from suspend for other causes than power button, gsm call, or sms (such as GSM cell registration). (and I have 40 km travel each day, sometimes even roaming). I also tried to check yesterday that it was not, ie. waked up with just dimmed screen : even always tapping on the screen during the travel, it kept on suspend. I wonder what is done differently form 2007.2 or 2008.8 distro where it so often wakes up ? Does FSO work correctly ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Thank you for the review of Qtopia :) I have decided to use the Qtopia image primary. So it works perfect as a phone :) How about the mediaplayer, GPS, WiFi and webbrowser? Alexander Frøyseth ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
Thanks Cédric, that's really useful. I'll try it again this evening. Tim On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:53, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that I have came back to a clean install of 0808 image, I will retest reception of sms/calls while sleeping... (humm no, that is not me sleeping, juste the phone !) So for these very basic tasks Qtopia works not too bad for me : * Just tried, and sms do wake up immediately my phone, prompt me if I want to read the sms and if I choose Yes I can read it. * Lock screen issue : If my screen is locked before suspend, it keeps locked on wake by sms. I had to unlock before choosing Yes to read sms - perfect since it might have wake up in my pocket for exemple. There is a problem if it goes into suspend while not locked - in this case sms wakes the phone unlocked ! That's why it would be better if the lock screen was automatically activated before suspend. * I have never seen the phone waking up from suspend for other causes than power button, gsm call, or sms (such as GSM cell registration). (and I have 40 km travel each day, sometimes even roaming). I also tried to check yesterday that it was not, ie. waked up with just dimmed screen : even always tapping on the screen during the travel, it kept on suspend. I wonder what is done differently form 2007.2 or 2008.8 distro where it so often wakes up ? Does FSO work correctly ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:57, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for the review of Qtopia :) I have decided to use the Qtopia image primary. So it works perfect as a phone :) How about the mediaplayer, GPS, WiFi and webbrowser? * mediaplayer, I did not use it much yet... just tried 2 mp3... one didn't read (but was a bit special... I took what I had at the moment) though it is read by 2007.2 mediaplayer. The other worked fine. Playing with sound volume during call works but is not so intuitive (should be very easy for such an important feature for a sound player) * Wifi : not much success. There is a configuration application quite complete but it still need a little polish. WPA access did not work, and I think DNS config via DHCP (when on unencrypted wifi) didn't either, but since WPA was not ok, I did not test much. So encryption support needs to be activated/configured. But configuration app already is ready for it. * Bluetooth works, was able to pair with devices and also send/receive files (pictures...) with no trouble. * Webbrowser : no app available either :-( * Application packages can easily be installed via a feed (but very few apps available). (There is a GUI manager for this) * Messages / calendar is not too bad, and rather complete. Configurable for IMAP / POP, (but for now I miss gmail synchro since encryption is not correctly handled). I would like an easy way to synchronize to gcalendar too... (I think I could manually import a Vcal entry -not sure-, but I need simple online synchro) I also miss MMS but it is because of WAP stack missing for neo... qtopia appli is ready for it. I hope coming version 4.4 will bring improvements. Should allow to have browser and GPS apps... ** What I appreciate a lot is that there is GUI apps for configuration of all of this (even if all is not working well yet) : bluetooth, wifi, gsm network (properties / selection / prefered), ... (I would have like 2008.8 start with complete Qtopia -but on X11-, and only when available / user chosen, switch some parts to other applis). Also for ex. home page wallpaper can be very easily chosen via config application. And it looks nice (even more since it is now a picture of my daughter !). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
Am Donnerstag 14 August 2008 12:47:12 schrieb Cédric Berger: On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:53, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that I have came back to a clean install of 0808 image, I will retest reception of sms/calls while sleeping... (humm no, that is not me sleeping, juste the phone !) So for these very basic tasks Qtopia works not too bad for me : * Just tried, and sms do wake up immediately my phone, prompt me if I want to read the sms and if I choose Yes I can read it. * Lock screen issue : If my screen is locked before suspend, it keeps locked on wake by sms. I had to unlock before choosing Yes to read sms - perfect since it might have wake up in my pocket for exemple. There is a problem if it goes into suspend while not locked - in this case sms wakes the phone unlocked ! That's why it would be better if the lock screen was automatically activated before suspend. * I have never seen the phone waking up from suspend for other causes than power button, gsm call, or sms (such as GSM cell registration). (and I have 40 km travel each day, sometimes even roaming). I also tried to check yesterday that it was not, ie. waked up with just dimmed screen : even always tapping on the screen during the travel, it kept on suspend. I wonder what is done differently form 2007.2 or 2008.8 distro where it so often wakes up ? Well, at least 2007.2 does _nothing_ to turn off unsolicited messages on suspend IRRC. Does FSO work correctly ? Yes. -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
-oops sorry didn't CC the list on first sending- On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 15:30, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, at least 2007.2 does _nothing_ to turn off unsolicited messages on suspend IRRC. Does FSO work correctly ? Yes. ok, thanks. By the way, isn't Qtopia rootfs based on FSO one ? (I think that is what I saw in qtopia download site on first releases) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
Well, at least 2007.2 does _nothing_ to turn off unsolicited messages on suspend IRRC. i got two scripts ready, livin in /etc/apm/suspend.d/ and /etc/apm/resume.d/ respectively, which got pretty much rid of these. they execute the same at commands qtopia does. only after a couple of hours (8 or 10) there's still an gsm event that's not catched, but still the drop in power drain is impressive. i'll post them this weekend when i get back to my home pc w/ connection to the fr. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 16:10, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Donnerstag 14 August 2008 15:36:24 schrieb Cédric Berger: By the way, isn't Qtopia rootfs based on FSO one ? (I think that is what I saw in qtopia download site on first releases) Unlikely. Qtopia is compiled by Trolltech, no idea how they create it, but it was there long before FSO. Probably both using OpenEmbedded, that's where the similarities may come from. Well I have seen this at least here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Latest_Images#Neo_FreeRunner_3 The Developer root filesystem for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02) file is a barebones root filesystem created from the 'FSO' image available from Openmoko. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
Am Donnerstag 14 August 2008 17:36:42 schrieb Cédric Berger: On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 16:10, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Donnerstag 14 August 2008 15:36:24 schrieb Cédric Berger: By the way, isn't Qtopia rootfs based on FSO one ? (I think that is what I saw in qtopia download site on first releases) Unlikely. Qtopia is compiled by Trolltech, no idea how they create it, but it was there long before FSO. Probably both using OpenEmbedded, that's where the similarities may come from. Well I have seen this at least here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Latest_Images#Neo_FreeRunner_3 The Developer root filesystem for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02) file is a barebones root filesystem created from the 'FSO' image available from Openmoko. Looks like a cut'n'paste error to me. qtopia.net does not show something like this for download. -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 17:58, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I have seen this at least here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Latest_Images#Neo_FreeRunner_3 The Developer root filesystem for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02) file is a barebones root filesystem created from the 'FSO' image available from Openmoko. Looks like a cut'n'paste error to me. qtopia.net does not show something like this for download. Yes it does, download Version: 20080617 : http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=4 This contains a barebones root filesystem for flashing the Neo Freerunner, created from the 'FSO' image available from Openmoko. Qtopia is not on this rootfs. This rootfs is for developers wanting to compile Qtopia, create the jffs2 image and flash. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
Am Donnerstag 14 August 2008 18:19:26 schrieb Cédric Berger: On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 17:58, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I have seen this at least here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Latest_Images#Neo_FreeRunner_3 The Developer root filesystem for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02) file is a barebones root filesystem created from the 'FSO' image available from Openmoko. Looks like a cut'n'paste error to me. qtopia.net does not show something like this for download. Yes it does, download Version: 20080617 : http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=4 This contains a barebones root filesystem for flashing the Neo Freerunner, created from the 'FSO' image available from Openmoko. Oh. Amazing :) -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
WiFi issues (was Re: Using freerunner as a telephone)
I'm running 2008.08 and am also unable to get the Wifi tool in 'Settings' to connect to a WPA-protected AP. Manually from terminal it works one time out of every 5 or 6 attempts. (oddly, likelihood seems greater if subsequent attempts are immediate - the first attempt ALWAYS fails) The failed console attempts report that dhcp discover failed, but deeper investigation shows that it does NOT have WPA enabled on eth0. Connection to unsecured AP works (console or GUI) about 75% of the time. DNS seems to be picked up correctly from both WPA and open networks, though I keep it pointing at a local djbdns dnscache on the Freerunner. (will probably work up an ipk of that over the weekend - it makes a HUGE difference with some things, for example tangoGPS apparently insists on doing a new lookup of 'tile.openstreetmap.org' for every single tile - cached localhost lookup is a huge time savings there) j - Original Message - From: Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Using freerunner as a telephone Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:13:41 +0200 * Wifi : not much success. There is a configuration application quite complete but it still need a little polish. WPA access did not work, and I think DNS config via DHCP (when on unencrypted wifi) didn't either, but since WPA was not ok, I did not test much. So encryption support needs to be activated/configured. But configuration app already is ready for it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
I found Qtopia had problems receiving calls when suspended and receiving text messages. Also pressing the keypad whilst making a call didn't work, rendering my voicemail useless for the calls I missed. It frequently displayed No network too, dispite being in an area with excellent coverage. Tim On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 5:01 AM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Qtopia. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Smith Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 3:05 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Using freerunner as a telephone What is the best image and configuration to have freerunner making and receiving telephone calls. I am thinking maximum reliability and battery life. Kind of failsafe mode. Or am I on the wrong universe? -- - Eric Smith ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 13:49, Tim Coggins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found Qtopia had problems receiving calls when suspended and receiving text messages. Also pressing the keypad whilst making a call didn't work, rendering my voicemail useless for the calls I missed. It frequently displayed No network too, dispite being in an area with excellent coverage. Tim For me -tested Om2007.2, ASU, Qtopia- , Qtopia was the distro with the best suspend behaviour : always wake up on calls, I think also for sms, and does not wake up else (gsm registration...). Keypad during calls also worked. But maybe since the last release it is not so true anymore... not used enough to be sure but I think I have more little hiccups too... And yes, gsm may be less good because these 3 last days (after update), it usually decides to automatically connect to another (Roaming) network (stronger reception). Last weeks it didn't, and it is at the same location. (And that is a problem for me since manual selection of network does not work, so I have to keep roaming) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
Thanks for that infomation. I did this testing on Saturday so I must of had a bad build. Can someone point me towards some good Qtopia images? I'd be really happy just to use the Neo as a phone to make and receive calls and text messages, then I'll put 2008.8 on the SD card for tangoGPS and dev stuff. Thanks, Tim On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 13:49, Tim Coggins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found Qtopia had problems receiving calls when suspended and receiving text messages. Also pressing the keypad whilst making a call didn't work, rendering my voicemail useless for the calls I missed. It frequently displayed No network too, dispite being in an area with excellent coverage. Tim For me -tested Om2007.2, ASU, Qtopia- , Qtopia was the distro with the best suspend behaviour : always wake up on calls, I think also for sms, and does not wake up else (gsm registration...). Keypad during calls also worked. But maybe since the last release it is not so true anymore... not used enough to be sure but I think I have more little hiccups too... And yes, gsm may be less good because these 3 last days (after update), it usually decides to automatically connect to another (Roaming) network (stronger reception). Last weeks it didn't, and it is at the same location. (And that is a problem for me since manual selection of network does not work, so I have to keep roaming) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
Can someone point me towards some good Qtopia images? Latest qtopia image here: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=77 Cheers, Tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:43 AM, Tim Erwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone point me towards some good Qtopia images? Latest qtopia image here: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=77 That appears to be the image that's causing the GSM problems people have experienced, although I'm assuming it's a kernel issue. Tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Using freerunner as a telephone
Qtopia. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Smith Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 3:05 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Using freerunner as a telephone What is the best image and configuration to have freerunner making and receiving telephone calls. I am thinking maximum reliability and battery life. Kind of failsafe mode. Or am I on the wrong universe? -- - Eric Smith ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
Qtopia is great and make FR usable. But the great thing that is missing is a WebBrowser. Also : - can't make gprs work - no gps but can we expect this to change with 4.4 ? For me, the greater is actually FSO... JW a écrit : go to the DISTRIBUTIONS page on the wiki follow the link to the QTOPIA / Trolltech image JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Using freerunner as a telephone
What is the best image and configuration to have freerunner making and receiving telephone calls. I am thinking maximum reliability and battery life. Kind of failsafe mode. Or am I on the wrong universe? -- - Eric Smith ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Using freerunner as a telephone
go to the DISTRIBUTIONS page on the wiki follow the link to the QTOPIA / Trolltech image JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 3:34 AM, Eric Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the best image and configuration to have freerunner making and receiving telephone calls. I am thinking maximum reliability and battery life. Kind of failsafe mode. Or am I on the wrong universe? -- - Eric Smith If its just calls then Qtopia, 2007.2 seem to work reliably with decent battery life for me (12 hours approx with 8-9 calls in between). FSO is also stable for calls for me but some people are reporting GSM problems with it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
