Re: 800k discs
Stuart Bell wrote: No, no, no, no, no. It'll work, but the magnetic characteristics of the formulations used to coat 800K and 1.4Mb floppies are sufficiently different to make unsafe the storage and long term recovery of data in the manner suggested. Always found this mac quirk interesting. The amiga formats anything to 880k, I'm yet to lose anything due to media failure and thats years not weeks. Sadly I don't have any macs that need 800k discs to play with it myself. Is it something to do with the way the 800k mac floppy drive works rather than the media? -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
SE/30 PowerPC Upgrade
Hi, Is there a way to upgrade SE/30 to PPC? -- Alexei Prostov -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: SE/30 PowerPC Upgrade
On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, at 11:29 AM, Alexei Prostov wrote: Hi, Is there a way to upgrade SE/30 to PPC? There always _a_ way! 1. Poor Man's Grey Scale Project to make the monitor produce 640 x 480 see http://www.stuartbell.dsl.pipex.com/PowerCC/PMGSP/PMGSP.html 2. PCB and bits from a Cube should fit fine. 3. Connect video o/p from Cube to video i/p of PMGSP. 4. Wonder whether the cost was really worth it. Is there an _economic_ way? Good question! ;-) Stuart -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Mac Plus wont take HD
At 21:55 -0800 on 14/01/03, Alan O'Neil wrote: requires a reformat. BTW, this also applies to the Mac SE and Mac II, which used a 2:1 interleave. Anything newer used 1:1 interleave. Actually, it only applies to old hard disks, and it doesn't apply to the SE or Mac II in most cases. I've successfully used all manner of drives on the II and SE without any special formatting, and drives new enough to have a sizable (1 MB or more) cache work fine on the Plus even formatted at 1:1. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: 800k discs
At 22:12 +1100 on 15/01/03, Darren wrote: Always found this mac quirk interesting. The amiga formats anything to 880k, I'm yet to lose anything due to That's because the Amigas can write slightly more tracks on the drive. I remember someone around here had a good explanation of it, but it's nowhere near as different as, say, writing 1.4MB of data on an 800K disk, or vice versa. Sadly I don't have any macs that need 800k discs to play with it myself. Is it something to do with the way the 800k mac floppy drive works rather than the media? No; it's the media. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: SE/30 PowerPC Upgrade
At 12:02 + on 15/01/03, Stuart Bell wrote: Is there an _economic_ way? Good question! ;-) How about... Install IIsi adapter to use IIci cache cards. Install necessary pass-through/angle adapters to make IIci cache slot vertical. Install Turbo 601 in your new vertical IIci cache slot inside your SE/30. It should work, though I would imagine power and heat considerations might necessitate a bit of extra cooling and possibly a PSU upgrade. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: 800k discs
It was the technical support departments in both cases (it was in a series of emails)... Who would ever listen to what a salesperson says? All of the statements (deriding the use of HD disks in a DD drive) have been the opinions of people who are basing their statements based on personal experience. Perhaps you should considering the significant electrical and mechanical requirements of making a floppy drive work properly. I don't care if you think it's a bad idea to use DD disks in a HD drive... It is not what you think, it is what you know. Derek On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, at 01:34 AM, Stuart Bell wrote: On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, at 03:55 AM, Derek Morton wrote: Must we re-hash this subject yet again?!?! I have contacted two floppy manufacturers (TDK Maxell) and they both state that there is no concern in using HD floppy disks in a DD drive. Wow! That is news to most of us. But is that their technical people (in writing?) or some salesperson? Stuart -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: 800k discs
the pickle wrote: Always found this mac quirk interesting. The amiga formats anything to 880k, I'm yet to lose anything due to That's because the Amigas can write slightly more tracks on the drive. I remember someone around here had a good explanation of it, but it's nowhere near as different as, say, writing 1.4MB of data on an 800K disk, or vice versa. Extra sector or something. You can get 1760k but its another story Is it something to do with the way the 800k mac floppy drive works rather than the media? No; it's the media. The FAQ has this: Gregg Eshelman notes the following, from the 2d Edition of /Upgrading and Repairing PCs/: An 800K Mac floppy drive doesn't use a strong enough magnetic field to properly record data onto 1.44 MB disks. Is the glass half empty or half full? Cheers -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: 800k discs
At 00:34 +1100 on 16/01/03, Darren wrote: An 800K Mac floppy drive doesn't use a strong enough magnetic field to properly record data onto 1.44 MB disks. Is the glass half empty or half full? That's why you can't format 800K disks as 1.4MB; the reason you can't use disks the other way 'round is due to differences in the media. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: 800k discs
the pickle wrote: An 800K Mac floppy drive doesn't use a strong enough magnetic field to properly record data onto 1.44 MB disks. Is the glass half empty or half full? That's why you can't format 800K disks as 1.4MB; the reason you can't use disks the other way 'round is due to differences in the media. Now thats silly, why would I try to get 1.44mb on to 0.8mb disk. ;) Conversely, an 800K floppy doesn't have densely enough packed magnetic particles to hold the larger number of sectors per track of the 1.44 MB format. Seem to be going in circles now? Why doesn't the 800k DD format hold on a HD floppy? Is it the media or poor transfer due to the drive? Formatting 1.44mb disks as 720k is easy as pie as is 880k, so whats the macs problem smack in the middle? The ami will happily format for a 800k mac. Seems to point to the drive rather than the media. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: 800k discs
Greetings, Compact-Mac friends: On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 22:12:47 +1100, Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sadly I don't have any macs that need 800k discs to play with it myself. Glad I kept a few of those old floppies around. To wrap my portion of the thread, I'm glad some folks have had success formatting 1.44kb discs as 800K. I tried it (tape over the hole) when I owned an SE, backed up my data on there until I could get a proper high density disk (my Mac guru told me it was the difference in media, not hardware workings). Floppies, at one time, were my only means of backup, and I couldn't take chances. Changing the subject, but not altogether different, I suppose it's safe to format an 800K disk as 400K, correct? That's what I've heard, and I've made three 400K disks on 800K media recently with success. Why? I picked up an original 128K with a busted internal floppy drive, and with an external 400K drive, I've got it to boot. It took a couple of hurdles for me to find System 3.0/Finder 5.1 and then find out that it's okay to format an 800K disk as 400K and use Disk Copy 4.2. The 128k's cute, but I can't do much with it yet. Will post more on it later. peace -- Cheers! Olin Jenkins, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jenkins Typography 1303 Sunset Drive, Columbia, SC 29203 ... phone/fax: 803-256-2245 Layout and design and full editing services at reasonable prices Please visit http://www.jenkinstypography.com -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: 800k discs
On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, at 02:22 PM, Olin Jenkins wrote: Changing the subject, but not altogether different, I suppose it's safe to format an 800K disk as 400K, correct? That's what I've heard, and I've made three 400K disks on 800K media recently with success. Yes - 800Kb floppies are double-sided 400Kb ones, so same track and bit density. I remember debates at the time as to whether you could use both sides of a 400Kb floppy in a 800Kb drive. In the days when floppies were £2 or $4 each. Some people said no. Others said yes. Sound familiar? Stuart -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: 800k discs
...I don't care if you think it's a bad idea to use DD disks in a HD drive... It is not what you think, it is what you know. Derek Having used HD disks in a DD drive on countless occasions myself with no problems, I obviously agree with Derek. But I have a history of being an anarchist; I was told that my S-VHS videorecorder required Special S-VHS tapes ( at $12-20 each), and that I should never use regular VHS tapes ( at $2-5 each) because of the mystical coatings used etc etc. And after punching the required hole in their cases, I've been using ordinary Maxell VHS tapes for VHS for about 12 years now. If I suddenly have a problem with them, I vow to be contrite : ))) m -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: SE/30 PowerPC Upgrade
Is there an _economic_ way? Good question! ;-) How about... Install IIsi adapter to use IIci cache cards. Install necessary pass-through/angle adapters to make IIci cache slot vertical. Install Turbo 601 in your new vertical IIci cache slot inside your SE/30. It should work, though I would imagine power and heat considerations might necessitate a bit of extra cooling and possibly a PSU upgrade. Is this theoretical, pickle, or do you know someone that's actually done it? (Stuart and gamba come to mind, but as Stuart is the one asking I'm guessing that's a no. :) Would the Turbo 601 physically fit the case assuming you got all the adaptors and stuff you needed? I have recently been thinking it odd that there is a PPC upgrade for the IIci but none for the most classic Mac form factor. (Been making me kind of grumpy.) Anybody have specs on how much juice the Turbo 601 is gonna draw, and what PSU might fill that need? Tim -- Tim Larson Info. Services - Internal Medicine Clinical Systems, Mayo Clinic, Rochester They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. I apologize for the irregular wrapping and quoting. I use MS Outlook. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Mac SE/30 upgrades general questions
Hi, I'm looking to upgrade my collection of Mac SE/30's. I currently have 5 of these little gems which I've upgraded to 128 meg / 2 gig 7200 RPM drives. Is there an economical way of boosting the speed? I've looked at the DiiMO 030 and cache options from Micromac but they seem pretty pricey. Is there a cheaper option available? Anyway of using cheaper IIsi options for the PDS slot? I'm running Mac OS 7.5 with Asante external SCSI adapters with OpenTransport 1.1.2 with Netscape 3.01 Gold. I found Web browsing is extremely slow, is there another good browser out there that can handle Java and newer web sites fairly well? Also is there a good FTP server for older macs? The one that was popular doesn't seem to be available on the net anymore (older NetPresenz demo). Lastly, I've cobbled together a few external CD rom drives for these machines, most are from 1x-4x SCSI drives non-Apple. I've been using the Sunrise extension to enable them, however I can only read CD's that I've burned in the native Mac HFS ? format using Toast 4.1 on my Powermac. When I burn an ISO disc on my PC it fails to mount on the SE/30's. I purchased CD-Autocache from OWC but it gives me an exception on startup, although it works fine my Quadra 605. I've also tried the resedit hack for the Apple CD-ROM extension but it doesn't work for these older drives. Is there another inexpensive way of mounting ISO CD's on an older mac? I've also tried the Joliet extensions but that did not help. The ISO discs were created with Nero on the PC. Thanks, -Mike -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: 800k discs
I have an SE I could get some work out of if I had 800k disks. I recently read that they could be found at office supply stores as they were the same as 720k PC disks. I tried an office supply place and they looked at me like I was Rip van Winkel. Any suggestions? Chet You have seen the 2 arguments, for and against, using 1.4M disks as 800k disks by taping over a hole. Tom Lee (see URL below) makes the point that it's important whether or not the 1.4MB is virgin (not just empty). Quoting from page 14 of http://angbandcvs.homedns.org:8081/download/plus_analog.PDF: The weaker write fields of 800K drives may not be sufficient to reliably over-write existing data (including formatting data). So, use only virgin (not just empty) 1.4MB floppies in an 800K drive. If you follow this rule, you'll have few (if any) problems. I see a connection between above and the floppy vendor tech support people saying that it's OK to do it. Gamba http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2 -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Mac SE/30 upgrades general questions
Anyway of using cheaper IIsi options for the PDS slot? Yup, see http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/se30_pds_multiple.html is there another good browser out there that can handle Java and newer web sites fairly well? I wouldn't touch this one with a 12 foot pole. :-) Also is there a good FTP server for older macs?mo) Seems like I remember someone saying tha NCSA Telnet had the option to do that.. When I burn an ISO disc on my PC it fails to mount on the SE/30's. Try this http://www.umich.edu/~archive/mac/util/diskfile/isonohfs.sit.hqx I don't know if it will fix your problem, but at least it's free. Gamba http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2 -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: SE/30 PowerPC Upgrade
I tried that. It didn't work. I don't know why. Any ideas? johnsn If you tried it with stock ROM simm then maybe it would work with a 32 bit clean a ROM simm. Gamba http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2 -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: 800k discs
I have an SE I could get some work out of if I had 800k disks. I recently read that they could be found at office supply stores as they were the same as 720k PC disks. They are the same as 720 PC disks. A lot were (are??) used in the electric typewriter/word processor type machines, so perhaps you just chose the wrong office supply store; hth -- Take care . Brian -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
800k discs on Mac Classic
Good Morning Mac Friends: I have both an old Mac Plus and a Mac Classic. Recently, I backed up all the work I've done on the Classic's hard drive for the past three years on some disks I picked up at Wal-mart. They said: Mac Formatted. I did not tape over the hole, (didn't know I was suppose to). Next, I transferred material on disks to a Mac Quadra 605, (given to me by a friend - it's what I'm using now). Everything made the transfer. Two questions. One, when I put the disks back in the Classic, they were unreadable. Classic said they needed to be formatted, (even though they were full of material). Is this problem due to what you guys are talking about? Two, is this going to be a problem with the Quadra 605? Will the material I transferred disappear? Thanks for any advice or guidance. Pastor Glenn. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
400k disks was 800k disks
I have hundreds of 400k and 800k disks that have lots of old programs on them as well as pre system 5 system software. There is a lot of duplication so I am slowly working my way through the pile, transferring the files onto a hard disk, making one good copy of all the programs and then reformatting the spare floppies. Here is my problem I have a 400k floppy that contains a program called MusicWorks together with system 1.1/finder 1.1g. I can boot my classic with it and use the software, I can also boot with 6.0.7 and open the program from the floppy. I cannot copy the program from the floppy to my hard disk. When I try to do this I get a message That cannot be duplicated or copied The system folder and program use 392K leaving 8k available, so I would like to put everything on to a 800k disk. I have made a disk image with disk copy and have also mounted the image with MountImage. When I make a new disk, disk copy reformats the blank 800k disk into a 400k disk. So, any ideas on how I can get the contents of this 400k disk onto a 800k disk? this is the original MusicWorks from 1984, not v1.1 MIDI which is downloadable Chris I have a disk image if anyone is interested in this. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: SE/30 PowerPC Upgrade
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 08:18:16 -0500 From: the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 12:02 + on 15/01/03, Stuart Bell wrote: Is there an _economic_ way? Good question! ;-) How about... Install IIsi adapter to use IIci cache cards. Install necessary pass-through/angle adapters to make IIci cache slot vertical. Install Turbo 601 in your new vertical IIci cache slot inside your SE/30. It should work, though I would imagine power and heat considerations might necessitate a bit of extra cooling and possibly a PSU upgrade. Back when Daystar was still a going concern, they claimed that the Turbo601 wouldn't work in the SE/30 and that the IIsi adapter for the Turbo601 was different from the adapter for the Turbo040 and PowerCache030. Of course, as with most such pronouncements, that doesn't mean it won't work. But I wouldn't expect it to work without doubts. One might need a ROM upgrade in the SE/30, e.g., though it's hard to say. The Turbo601 apparently has a set of 6100 ROMs sitting on the board itself, so what's it going to do with the Mac II series ROMs anyway? Has anyone gotten a Turbo601 working in an SE/30? Jeff Walther -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: 800k discs
At 01:04 +1100 on 16/01/03, Darren wrote: Why doesn't the 800k DD format hold on a HD floppy? Is it the media or 100% media; the magnetic coercivity of the recording layer is different. poor transfer due to the drive? Formatting 1.44mb disks as 720k is easy as pie as is 880k, so whats the macs problem smack in the middle? The Yep, but neither is reliable. See above. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: 800k discs
At 09:22 -0500 on 15/01/03, Olin Jenkins wrote: Changing the subject, but not altogether different, I suppose it's safe to format an 800K disk as 400K, correct? That's what I've heard, and I've made three 400K disks on 800K media recently with success. Yep, because 400K disks are 800K disks that only use the top side of the floppy. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: 800k discs
At 14:25 + on 15/01/03, Stuart Bell wrote: I remember debates at the time as to whether you could use both sides of a 400Kb floppy in a 800Kb drive. In the days when floppies were £2 or $4 each. Some people said no. Others said yes. Sound familiar? The main reason was - and I'm not entirely sure I believe this - that some manufacturers were selling 800K disks that failed the media test on one side but not the other as 400K disks. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Mac SE/30 upgrades general questions
At 07:57 -0800 on 15/01/03, Gamba wrote: is there another good browser out there that can handle Java and newer web sites fairly well? I wouldn't touch this one with a 12 foot pole. :-) Nor will any 68K browser ;) The last version of Flash for the 68K is far too old to be useful now and the last version of Java doesn't work well with anything but the most basic homegrown Java stuff (i.e. Java games are 100% out). iCab is pretty much the only modern option on a 68K. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: SE/30 PowerPC Upgrade
At 08:00 -0800 on 15/01/03, Gamba wrote: I tried that. It didn't work. I don't know why. Any ideas? johnsn If you tried it with stock ROM simm then maybe it would work with a 32 bit clean a ROM simm. The same setup has worked fine in a IIcx for people I know, and I could probably try this at some point (I have all the pieces but none of the time), so I sort of doubt clean ROMs have much to do with it. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: 400k disks was 800k disks
At 16:43 + on 15/01/03, Chris Lever wrote: to put everything on to a 800k disk. I have made a disk image with disk copy and have also mounted the image with MountImage. When I make a new disk, disk copy reformats the blank 800k disk into a 400k disk. See if you can convert the image into an 800K image from within Disk Copy. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: 800k discs on Mac Classic
At 11:33 -0500 on 15/01/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have both an old Mac Plus and a Mac Classic. Recently, I backed up all the work I've done on the Classic's hard drive for the past three years on some disks I picked up at Wal-mart. They said: Mac Formatted. I did not tape over the hole, (didn't know I was suppose to). Next, I transferred material on disks to a Mac Quadra 605, (given to me by a friend - it's what I'm using now). Everything made the transfer. The Classic and 605 both have HD floppies, which is why it worked without tape. One, when I put the disks back in the Classic, they were unreadable. Classic said they needed to be formatted, (even though they were full of material). Is this problem due to what you guys are talking about? No, but there's likely a problem with one or both floppy drives. Try cleaning them and see if that helps anything. Directions are in the FAQ. Two, is this going to be a problem with the Quadra 605? Will the material I transferred disappear? No; once it's on there, it's on there. The floppies may fail, but anything that's been transferred to the 605 should be safe. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: 400k disks was 800k disks
on 16/1/03 1:37 AM, the pickle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 16:43 + on 15/01/03, Chris Lever wrote: to put everything on to a 800k disk. I have made a disk image with disk copy and have also mounted the image with MountImage. When I make a new disk, disk copy reformats the blank 800k disk into a 400k disk. See if you can convert the image into an 800K image from within Disk Copy. No that doesn't work. Using Disk Copy 4.2 I cannot see an option to convert. This isn't a problem because I will never use the software but it is just annoying. I was having a why can't I do this day. Chris -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: 800k discs/disks and CRT discharge energy
Subject: Re: 800k discs An 800K Mac floppy drive doesn't use a strong enough magnetic field to properly record data onto 1.44 MB disks. Is the glass half empty or half full? That's why you can't format 800K disks as 1.4MB; the reason you can't use disks the other way 'round is due to differences in the media. -- the pickle To clear up the persistent confusion and superstition about 800K vs. 1.44MB media, here's the correct story: There is about a ~10% difference in the magnetization thresholds (called coercivity) for the two media, with the 800K stuff having the lower value. If you want to get technical, 800K media have a nominal coercivity of 650 oersteds, versus 720 - 730 oersteds for 1.4MB media. So, 800K drives may find it difficult to write on 1.44MB media. However, 10% is not a large difference, and in fact, is about the same as normal variations within a batch from a given manufacturing run. Plus, coercivity varies with temperature, too. So, the two media are not as wholly incompatible as lore has it. However, if a 1.4MB disk has *ever* been written on by a 1.4MB drive (and this includes formatting), an 800K drive's weaker write fields may not be strong enough to reliably over-write the existing data, and you'll have flaky behavior (particularly if you're unlucky enough to have a drive with write currents at the low end of the spec, trying to write on a floppy with coercivity at the high end of spec). But if the floppy is virgin, you'll rarely see any problems at all. [You can re-virginize floppies if you have a good demagnetizer handy.] Now, if you go the other way, by melting or punching (don't drill!) an extra hole to trick drives into thinking an 800K floppy is really 1.4MB, there's no problem with the drive's ability to flip magnetizations properly. However, the higher density is achieved by packing adjacent bits more tightly together on a given track (but the number of tracks per side is the same -- 80 -- for 400K/720K/800K/1.4MB media), and the lower density media may not have fine enough particles to do the job well (and the lower magnetic field strength of those particles further degrades margin). That's why many advise against doing this operation. Since both media types are readily available (the 800K stuff is the same as 720K media from the PC world, but you'll have to reformat as Mac if they come preformatted, as they usually do nowadays), there's no real reason to do any of these things. But, every once in a while, you'll find these hacks useful in an emergency. 400K floppies use exactly the same media as do 800K floppies. The former are simply one-sided. Be aware that many 400K drives actually damage the surface that isn't used (because the media rides on a post which frequently isn't all that smooth or clean), so you may not be able to reformat them as good 800K floppies ever again. Finally, the tricks that squeeze a few percent more data from a floppy frequently do so by simply going beyond the 80 normally allocated tracks (this is also done in some copy protection schemes -- most disk copy software automatically stops copying at the 80th track). If you combine that trick with somewhat more efficient formatting and data management schemes, you can easily boost the useful density by 10%-20% (such as is done with Microsoft's 1.6MB DMF disks, which don't go beyond 80 tracks), without stressing the capabilities of the media at all. While on the subject of superstition, people are overly (almost irrationally) frightened of a compact mac's crt energy, but insufficiently worried about the main power supply filter caps. You can read more about this subject at http://www.applefritter.com/thefritter/13/drwebster.html --Cheers, Tom -- Prof. Thomas H. Lee Center for Integrated Systems, CIS-205 420 Via Palou Mall Stanford University Stanford, CA 94305-4070 http://www-smirc.stanford.edu 650-725-3709 ph, -3383 fax -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: 400k disks was 800k disks
At 02:08 + on 16/01/03, Chris Lever wrote: on 16/1/03 1:37 AM, the pickle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 16:43 + on 15/01/03, Chris Lever wrote: to put everything on to a 800k disk. I have made a disk image with disk copy and have also mounted the image with MountImage. When I make a new disk, disk copy reformats the blank 800k disk into a 400k disk. See if you can convert the image into an 800K image from within Disk Copy. No that doesn't work. Using Disk Copy 4.2 I cannot see an option to convert. This isn't a problem because I will never use the software but it is just annoying. I was having a why can't I do this day. Try a newer version of Disk Copy. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: 800k discs on Mac Classic
Thank you thank you, I was beginning to sweat some big drops over that one. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: 800k discs
Marten van de Kraats wrote on Wed, 15 Jan 2003 00:24:34 +0100: They are the same as 720 PC disks. And who is Rip van Winkel? It sounds Dutch. In Dutch 'Winkel' means 'shop'. Rip Van Winkle refers to an early American story about a man living in colonial America who is cursed into a long sleep and wakes up after the American revolution in a new country. It was written by Washington Irving. Here's a website if you're interested, I think they have the story posted there as well: http://www.cwrl.utexas.edu/~daniel/amlit/rvw/rvw.html By the way, its unadvised to use 1.4mb disks in an 800k drive. Although the idea of virgin (non-formatted) discs is fine, some 800k drives just don't like them regardless of what you do. Then again, some others have been known to work fine (same as VHS SVHS tapes by the way). So it depends on the media and the machine they're being used in. David -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Write Now on SE
Howdy Mac Friends: Along with the gift of a Quadra 605, I was also given an old Mac SE. For years, (since 1988), I've used Write Now version 1.0. I copied this version of Write Now onto the hard drive of the SE so I could use it as a spare or back up computer in case the Plus or Classic retires without giving me notice. The problem I'm having is that the computer will not shut off now. When I go to the menu item, Shut down the computer screen goes blank, and then shows me the happy Mac face and fires back up again as though I put the disk write now in the drive. The only way I can get it to turn off is to turn the power switch off. I'm assuming this can't be good for the SE. What do I need to do to make it turn off like the Mac Plus, (with external hard drive) and the Classic (with internal hard drive)? Thanks in advance. Pastor Glenn. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
How much space in this Hard drive
Hello again friends: Everything I've read says the Mac Classic has a 40MB hard drive. But my Classic says I have 18,017 in disk and 21039 available. What happens when I go over the 21,000? Did I happen to get a small hard drive and it's about full? Thanks again. Pastor Glenn. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How much space in this Hard drive
At 22:01 -0500 on 15/01/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything I've read says the Mac Classic has a 40MB hard drive. But my Classic says I have 18,017 in disk and 21039 available. What happens when I go over the 21,000? Did I happen to get a small hard drive and it's about full? That's kilobytes. You'll find that the two numbers add up to something near 40,000, or 40 MB, which is the total capacity of your drive. Apparently you have about 18 MB of stuff on it right now. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How much space in this Hard drive
Boy, do I feel stupid!! As soon as I read your e-mail, I had a major moment of clarity. Now I get it - thanks again! -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
macminix
got me a copy of macminix off the ol internet...i am proposing to try it on my number two powerbook 100 and/or the classic, has anyone got any experience/advise/words of wisdom/jokes for me? is it even possible? are there better unix versions for the powerbook?? -- Jan Wawrzynczak General Manager Canberra Youth Theatre PO Box 127 Civic Square ACT 2608 tel 02 6248 5057 fax 02 6248 5733 web www.cytc.net -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: macminix
At 02:43 PM 1/16/2003 +1100, you wrote:
got me a copy of macminix off the ol internet...i am proposing to try it on
my number two powerbook 100 and/or the classic, has anyone got any
experience/advise/words of wisdom/jokes for me? is it even possible? are
there better unix versions for the powerbook??
MacMinix will run fine on those, but there's not a whole lot you can do
with it.
With a sufficiently powerful powerbook ('030 or higher recommended,
something like a Duo 270c might be about perfect), you can run a full
Linux. Debian is the current (and only, afaik) distro with 68k support, it
might even run on a SE/30 with a 32 bit clean ROM. I wouldn't want to see X
on an SE/30, but ymmv :)
Scott Holder
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Apologies...
...to anyone who has sent me something off-list since about the beginning of October. With the demise of @mac.com e-mail addresses, there were some kinks that didn't get worked out with [EMAIL PROTECTED] until tonight. As such, I checked the e-mail address for the first time since October this evening. I responded to most of the stuff from the past couple weeks, but if there was something before that or something particularly important that I need to see (don't worry, Marten, I have your addy, and Cameron, I'll look in the pile next time I'm home for a 50 MHz 030), please re-send it. To the guy who pointed out AGUYNAWHTCAT again (you know who you are): thanks, and Paul Stamsen, that should answer your question about who I suspected. Now will someone please get him off Swaplist? I've told Dan about eight times but nothing's happening. The other nannies should make sure [EMAIL PROTECTED] isn't on any of the other 68K lists. If anyone cares to know *why*, e-mail me privately, because you missed a really fun story. I'm going to try and get a FAQ update out this weekend; I've been ridiculously busy with school but should have some free time after I get my iPod and headphones replaced under warranty (Apple Store is a 45-min drive). All of you who noted that lowendmac.net disappeared back in October and sent me e-mails telling me as much: thank you, even though I never got them until now and figured it out on my own about a week after it happened :) The FAQ was fixed at the time. I think I mentioned this before, but the Software Archive that was formerly in my sig is down until further notice; contact Sam Burrish (his contact info is at the site where the archive was hosted) if you're interested in paying his bandwidth bill or, if you can host a couple gigs of stuff, contact me directly. Also, if anyone happens across a source of new SCSI-based Compact Flash readers for under $100, could you please let me know offlist? Betcha that subject line got a few people's hopes up...heh heh heh... OK, guess that pretty much covers it. Again, sorry 'bout the non-responsiveness; if you don't get a response from me on something within about 24 hours in the future, assume I haven't seen it and try sending to my alternate addy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul and Vincenzo: the above should explain a lot. Get a hold of me privately and we'll talk. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
