Re: 800k discs

2003-01-16 Thread Martin A. Totusek
From an article I wrote a while back:



As there are so many USB 1.x-compatible products currently coming out
that it's hard to keep track, I will mention just a few:

1) While there were complaints about the original version, the final
version of the Imation (http://www.imation.com/) SuperDisk USB 2x
External Floppy Drive
(http://www.superdisk.com/) currently appears to be the most popular of
the external USB Floppy Drives; The SuperDisk drive supports Mac OS 1.4
Floppy Disks, RLL encoding for
only the SuperDisk media, and MFM encoding for 1.44 and 720 (IBM format)
media. It can also read 1.68 MB DMF or Distribution Media Format
floppy disks (Microsoft uses DMF 2048 for the floppy versions of some of
their softwares), and both 1.2 MB (3 1/2 inch) Japanese formats. Imation
has stated that they have worked on resolving some of the previous
issues complained about, including the problems with Multi-Floppy
installs. Imation may discontinue the SuperDisk Drive; See:
http://www.maccentral.com/news/0011/28.imation.shtml.

There are two SuperDisk limitations that prospective buyers should be
aware of:

a) Since the entire Computer Industry (all Platforms) has not been
willing to establish a Standard, currently not all types of Personal
Computer on any Platform can boot off of any
external USB Peripheral (except on the newer machines from APPLE);

b) Since the The SuperDisk drive does not have a Floppy Disk Controller
built into the drive (Imation says that it uses an IDE/ATAPI drive with
a USB interface adapter connected to
it), it cannot read the old Mac OS 400 and 800 KB Floppy Format. Imation
states that the old Mac OS 400 and 800 KB Floppy Disks use what is
called GCR data encoding (Group
Code Recording; a particular code of the RLL or Run Length Limited
data encoding method often used on data cartridge drives. The code
combines high data density with relative
ease of decoding). So, GCR encodes the data so 4 bits of data become 5
bits on the disk. Imation also stated that this was: Less efficient
than MFM (aka Modified Frequency
Modulation) data encoding, but GCR had much more decode margin...
(Some experts would disagree that MFM is more efficient than GCR). In
addition, the old Mac OS 400 and 800 KB Floppy Format  is recorded on
the disk in four zones, and these zones sometimes required the disk to
be spun at different speeds to compensate for frequency differences. The
old APPLE internal SuperDrive Floppy Disk Drives had a modified Floppy
Disk Controller that varied the motor speed to stuff more data onto the
disks.

ADVICE: Keep your older machines; If your model(s) support it, run Mac
OS 7.1 with Update 3, for mounting 400 KB Mac Floppy Disks. Run Mac OS
7.5.5, or 7.6.1 on them, if you have problems mounting older 800 KB
Floppy Disks under Mac OS 8, 9, or X. With the older machiness' APPLE
SuperDrive Floppy Disk Drives around, you can also tranfer files via
Ethernet, or on to an Iomega Zip Disk, etc., if you own lots of older
programs that have to be installed off 400 and 800 KB Floppy Disks
(besides, if they are Power Macintoshes, most of them can be good
Servers using MkLinux or LinuxPPC, if you desire). While I understand
the desire to eventually cease using Floppy Drives, is a pity that APPLE
didn't choose to make the APPLE SuperDrive Floppy Disk Drives
available as an customer option in the form of external USB and SCSI
models, so that the phase-out of Floppy Drives was a gradual thing,
rather than a sudden jolt.





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actually using my SE/30

2003-01-16 Thread Virkkala
I've a number of compact Macs, one of which I'm giving away next week, the
others of which I'll either keep stacked up as the legs of a very strange
end table, or else use in various capacities, or sell (if anyone wants any).

The coolest of the lot is an SE/30 with an odd exterior video cable coming
out the back, and with Ethernet out the back. I like this one.

In fact, I'd like to use it on my system. I have a still-unused ADB/video
switcher (Inmac). I suppose I could not attach any video cable to the box,
and use my current two-monitor system on my main system (an upgraded hybrid
powermac) along with the SE/30; that is, ADB switching with no video
switching. (I don't have a monitor that works with this external video
cable, however... I'd just use the thing without a second monitor.) Does
this seem likely to work?

Right now the SE/30 runs a version of OS 7. Should I try to install System
6.0.8? I've never networked System 6 with System 7 machines, but System 6
Heaven suggests downloading some networking software; I guess it all must
work. (My first networking experience was with TOPS. From there, AppleTalk's
LocalTalk, then Ethernet. I'd be using an Ethernet system, with hub.) Any
thoughts?

My memory of System 6 is that it was a lot clunkier than System 7. But
faster? 

I remember the annoyance of the Font/DA Mover, and many other pre-7 OS
tools. I didn't like them. But the Pickle and others keep promoting 6, so I
guess I may experiment.

I got these old machines from a school, and OS 7.0 and OS 7.1 were installed
on them all - at least, all that work. These old machines had some nice
school software, all of which I destroyed, and then Claris, SuperPaint, and
a few other nice little programs. Would Clarisworks work in System 6?
SuperPaint? Hypercard? (How late a version of Hypercard?)

Sorry for the huge lot of questions. But questions about these old machines
I've lots of, as with the machines themselves. Answers, few.

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Re: 400k disks was 800k disks

2003-01-16 Thread Chris Lever
on 16/1/03 2:13 AM, the pickle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 At 02:08 + on 16/01/03, Chris Lever wrote:
 
 on 16/1/03 1:37 AM, the pickle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 At 16:43 + on 15/01/03, Chris Lever wrote:
 
 to put everything on to a 800k disk.  I have made a disk image with disk
 copy and have also mounted the image with MountImage.  When I make a new
 disk, disk copy reformats the blank 800k disk into a 400k disk.
 
 See if you can convert the image into an 800K image from within Disk Copy.
 
 No that doesn't work.  Using Disk Copy 4.2 I cannot see an option to
 convert.  This isn't a problem because I will never use the software but it
 is just annoying.  I was having a why can't I do this day.
 
 Try a newer version of Disk Copy.

I will admit defeat and keep the program on the 400k disk.  Thanks for the
help and advice.  At the moment I don't have a machine with System 7 to run
a newer version of disk copy.  5 6 8 9 and X, I think it is time to get an
SE/30 again.

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Re: actually using my SE/30

2003-01-16 Thread the pickle
At 00:26 -0800 on 16/01/03, Virkkala wrote:

I remember the annoyance of the Font/DA Mover, and many other pre-7 OS
tools. I didn't like them. But the Pickle and others keep promoting 6, so I

You won't catch *me* advocating 6 on an SE/30.  Original SE, yes, but not an
SE/30.  Stick with 7.1 if it's what you know best.
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Re: 400k disks was 800k disks

2003-01-16 Thread the pickle
on 16/1/03 2:13 AM, the pickle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Try a newer version of Disk Copy.

At 02:08 + on 16/01/03, Chris Lever wrote:


I will admit defeat

I won't!  Send me a copy offlist.

 and keep the program on the 400k disk.  Thanks for the
help and advice.  At the moment I don't have a machine with System 7 to run
a newer version of disk copy.  5 6 8 9 and X, I think it is time to get an
SE/30 again.

FWIW, Disk Copy 6.3.3 works on everything from at least System 7 to 9.2.2, and
the version on OS X works to convert older images, though I haven't tried
anything smaller than 1.4MB on OS X yet.
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Re: actually using my SE/30

2003-01-16 Thread Mark Benson
 
On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 11:55AM, the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

You won't catch *me* advocating 6 on an SE/30.  Original SE, yes, but not an
SE/30.  Stick with 7.1 if it's what you know best.

/me Agrees.

I run 7.1 on my 50MHz SE/30 and it's smooth as silk AND runs on the internet (albeit 
in black  white which makes it slightly less great - I need a Micron Xceed :( ) 

I am thinking of applying a catelog system to my parts, now I have a positive mountain 
of LC spares and old disk drives, and maybe my SE/30 and Filemaker Pro 3.0 is th thing 
for it :). IT's a shame the ethernet card has packed up, although I also suspect my 
father's el dodgy cheapo 10/100 switch may be screwing it off (wow that sounds naughty 
:o).

7.1 has a wider range of applications than 6.0.8 (i.e. stuff that requires System 7 or 
later) and is much nicer for TCP/IP, above 8MB RAM and such.

If you want to play with 6.0.8 try it on a Classic, LC/LCII or an SE, as they are 
limited to RAM with or around the reaches of System 6 and are too slow to run System 7 
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Re: actually using my SE/30

2003-01-16 Thread Mark Benson
 
On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 11:55AM, the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

You won't catch *me* advocating 6 on an SE/30.  Original SE, yes, but not an
SE/30.  Stick with 7.1 if it's what you know best.

/me Agrees.

I run 7.1 on my 50MHz SE/30 and it's smooth as silk AND runs on the internet (albeit 
in black  white which makes it slightly less great - I need a Micron Xceed :( ) 

I am thinking of applying a catelog system to my parts, now I have a positive mountain 
of LC spares and old disk drives, and maybe my SE/30 and Filemaker Pro 3.0 is th thing 
for it :). IT's a shame the ethernet card has packed up, although I also suspect my 
father's el dodgy cheapo 10/100 switch may be screwing it off (wow that sounds naughty 
:o).

7.1 has a wider range of applications than 6.0.8 (i.e. stuff that requires System 7 or 
later) and is much nicer for TCP/IP, above 8MB RAM and such.

If you want to play with 6.0.8 try it on a Classic, LC/LCII or an SE, as they are 
limited to RAM with or around the reaches of System 6 and are too slow to run System 7 
effectively.

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Mac Plus Hard Drive Flashes

2003-01-16 Thread PastrFisch
Good Morning Mac Friends: 
I have a Mac Plus with external hard drive, (it says on the bottom, Hard 
Disk 20 SC, Model No. M2603). 
It was working fine until a couple of months ago, but now the Mac does 
not recognize or realize that it has a hard drive. When I turn it on, the 
little red light on the front flashes 3 slow times, then four fast times, (I 
think it's four as it's so fast it's hard to count). That's all it does now 
is flash. What do I need to do to fix this hard drive? 
Please keep in mind I know very little about computers but I really want 
to learn. I have read in the FAQ section to check the terminator. I checked 
that and it seems to be on securely. 
I don't have any programs or fix it disks. The only thing I have is 
Write Now 1.0. 
One more thing, I did take the top off the hard drive, thinking it might 
be dusty inside, it was very clean.
So, where do I go from here? 
Thanks - 
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Every Apple Service Repair Manual

2003-01-16 Thread PastrFisch
Hello Mac Friends: 
Was just doing a little surfing on ebay and saw a CD from Macprosoft 
titled Every Apple Service  Repair Manual. According to the description, 
it covers every Mac made since 1984. 
Has anyone on the list heard of this CD? Is it any good? Would it be 
helpful for a know-nothing like me? Once again, any help you guys could give 
would be great!
Thanks again - hope ya'll staying warm and dry, (it's suppose to snow 
here today - burrr). 
Pastor Glenn. 

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Re: Every Apple Service Repair Manual

2003-01-16 Thread dan_A
At 10:33 AM -0500 on 1/16/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...According to the description,
it covers every Mac made since 1984.
 Has anyone on the list heard of this CD? Is it any good? Would it be
helpful for a know-nothing like me? Once again, any help you guys could give
would be great!

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Hi Pastor Glenn-

I bought a similar cd on ebay a few month ago for $5.00. It contains 
Apple service manuals, in PDF format, on one partition and a System 
software library on the other partition. The manuals are from the 
earliest machines, 128k to the Quadra 950 plus all Apples 
peripherals. The system software consists of disks images from sys 
0.5 to sys 6.05 including print tools and utilities. If you have any 
old machines this stuff is great. The manuals are the ones the techs 
have that were not available to the public. I don't know if what you 
saw is the same disk but I'm very happy with what I got.

dan_A

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Re: Every Apple Service Repair Manual

2003-01-16 Thread Stuart Bell

On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 03:58 PM, dan_A wrote:

 Hi Pastor Glenn-

 I bought a similar cd on ebay a few month ago for $5.00. It contains
 Apple service manuals, in PDF format, on one partition and a System
 software library on the other partition. The manuals are from the
 earliest machines, 128k to the Quadra 950 plus all Apples
 peripherals. The system software consists of disks images from sys
 0.5 to sys 6.05 including print tools and utilities. If you have any
 old machines this stuff is great. The manuals are the ones the techs
 have that were not available to the public. I don't know if what you
 saw is the same disk but I'm very happy with what I got.


There is the ethical issue that the Apple Service manuals are 
copyright, and most CDs on eBay are CD-Rs burned by people who've 
either downloaded individual files or else copied genuine Apple Manual 
CDs.

AFAIK, all manuals and s/w d/ls are available FOC on the www anyway.

Some CDs contain parts data bases that I've not seen on the WWW.

Stuart


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Re: SE/30 PowerPC Upgrade

2003-01-16 Thread Snook, John R

At 09:12 -0600 on 15/01/03, Larson, Timothy E. wrote:

Is this theoretical, pickle, or do you know someone that's actually done it?

I know someone who had it working just as a proof of concept, but I can't
remember who it was, and I'm reasonably sure he didn't put the case back on,
which alleviated cooling problems for the short time he did it.

that's a no.  :)  Would the Turbo 601 physically fit the case assuming you
got all the adaptors and stuff you needed?

Yeah - it's about the same size as the Turbo 040 but with a much bigger
heatsink.
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Pickle, can you remember anything else about it?
The only issues I know about are:
1. Maybe a 32 bit clean ROM is needed.
2. Will the FPU on the SE/30 logic board conflict with the Turbo 601 FPU?
3. Fitting it all into the case.

anything else?
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Re: Every Apple Service Repair Manual

2003-01-16 Thread JEP
I'm happy with mine. Think I paid $9 plus postage on the *Bay. Most of the
manuals are free for download other places though, but a few of them aren't.
Some guy out of NYC was auctioning the one I bought.
FWIW
JEP in frozen Northern Michigan

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 Hello Mac Friends:
 Was just doing a little surfing on ebay and saw a CD from Macprosoft
 titled Every Apple Service  Repair Manual. According to the
description,
 it covers every Mac made since 1984.
 Has anyone on the list heard of this CD? Is it any good? Would it be
 helpful for a know-nothing like me? Once again, any help you guys could
give
 would be great!
 Thanks again - hope ya'll staying warm and dry, (it's suppose to snow
 here today - burrr).
 Pastor Glenn.

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Re: 800k discs on Mac Classic

2003-01-16 Thread ELN/rlf9

From: the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 800k discs on Mac Classic

At 11:33 -0500 on 15/01/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

One, when I put the disks back in the Classic, they were unreadable.
Classic said they needed to be formatted, (even though they were full of
material). Is this problem due to what you guys are talking about?

No, but there's likely a problem with one or both floppy drives.  Try 
cleaning them and see if that helps anything.  Directions are in the FAQ.

An alignment problem also results in unreadable. You might try a 
different floppydrive if cleaning this one doesn't do the trick.

Bob F

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Look at this!

2003-01-16 Thread Snook, John R

http://homepage2.nifty.com/tamaru/Mokugi/Mokuji2.html

Neat photos. Anyone know how to translate?
johnsn

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Re: HD20 Apple is 220 110 volts! And he functions !

2003-01-16 Thread Daniel Daplincourt
Hello to all and thank you to all. The Macintosh HD20, Model M0135 functions
with the 220 volts! And he functions well!
  
At us, usually, it exists a button who allows to place a device on 110 volts
or on 220. The absence of this button on the HD20 was the reason of my
preocupation. This concern was not rational, I know.
I am a little dreamer, otherwise, I would not collect!
  
Again thank you to all

daniel :-)

le 13/01/03 12:45, BrianH à [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :

 To Daniel this means his question is answered for a HD connected over that
 port has nothing to do with the wallcurrent. Agree?
 
 Perhaps, but whence does the HD20 draw power?
 
 It's got a mains connector too. The Service Manual just says 'Power Supply'
 and there are no warnings about ensuring correct voltage, nor can I see any
 voltage selector switches in the exploded view - so probably the psu is
 territory-specific??
 
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Re: Look at this!

2003-01-16 Thread Jack Gallemore
Am I reading correctly they put a LCIII logic board in an SE?

Jack
 
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http://homepage2.nifty.com/tamaru/Mokugi/Mokuji2.html

Neat photos. Anyone know how to translate?
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Re: Look at this!

2003-01-16 Thread Stuart Bell

On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 08:41 PM, Matt Jordan wrote:


   I tried it and the page is readable in English and has some
 interesting Compact Mac information.


Like the 'Reference to Compact Mac' page seems to show that one of 
Pina's books was translated into Japanese. They have more books 
specifically on later compacts than in English, I think!

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Re: Look at this!

2003-01-16 Thread Stuart Bell

On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 09:30 PM, Jack Gallemore wrote:

 Am I reading correctly they put a LCIII logic board in an SE?


probably - I've put a LC475 board in an SE/30

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Re: Stuff inside the Hard Drive

2003-01-16 Thread the pickle
At 10:58 -0500 on 16/01/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

MiniScribe Quality, 27 Mar 1988 (I'm guessing that's when it was made -

That's very likely a sign you're gonna need a new hard disk.  If you leave the
lid off so you can see and hear inside the box, can you hear the drive trying
to spin up when you power it on?
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Re: Every Apple Service Repair Manual

2003-01-16 Thread the pickle
At 10:33 -0500 on 16/01/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Was just doing a little surfing on ebay and saw a CD from Macprosoft
titled Every Apple Service  Repair Manual. According to the description,
it covers every Mac made since 1984.
Has anyone on the list heard of this CD? Is it any good? Would it be

Heard of it, reported it to Apple Legal, got the guy banned from eBay, popped
up again two weeks later with a new user ID.  Wash, rinse, repeat.

Don't deal with these crooks.  They're scum and they know it.
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Re: Every Apple Service Repair Manual

2003-01-16 Thread the pickle
At 16:20 + on 16/01/03, Stuart Bell wrote:

There is the ethical issue that the Apple Service manuals are
copyright, and most CDs on eBay are CD-Rs burned by people who've
either downloaded individual files or else copied genuine Apple Manual
CDs.

Not to mention the legal issue that it's illegal to redistribute them, and
*CERTAINLY* illegal to profit from it.
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Re: Look at this!

2003-01-16 Thread Jack Gallemore
I've got the SE and LCIII, do you have a 'How-To'?  G

Jack 

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On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 09:30 PM, Jack Gallemore wrote:

 Am I reading correctly they put a LCIII logic board in an SE?


probably - I've put a LC475 board in an SE/30

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Re: SE/30 PowerPC Upgrade

2003-01-16 Thread the pickle
At 08:39 -0800 on 16/01/03, Snook, John R wrote:

2. Will the FPU on the SE/30 logic board conflict with the Turbo 601 FPU?

Somehow the Turbo 601 manages to work OK in a IIci, which also has an FPU, so
unless there's something in the ROM of the SE/30 that prevents disabling of the
onboard FPU - which I doubt because PowerCache upgrades can use an FPU just
fine in an SE/30 - I rather doubt FPU conflicts are a problem.
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Re: 800k discs on Mac Classic

2003-01-16 Thread the pickle
At 12:48 -0500 on 16/01/03, ELN/rlf9 wrote:

From: the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 800k discs on Mac Classic

At 11:33 -0500 on 15/01/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

One, when I put the disks back in the Classic, they were unreadable.
Classic said they needed to be formatted, (even though they were full of
material). Is this problem due to what you guys are talking about?

No, but there's likely a problem with one or both floppy drives.  Try
cleaning them and see if that helps anything.  Directions are in the FAQ.

An alignment problem also results in unreadable. You might try a
different floppydrive if cleaning this one doesn't do the trick.

Aye, true, but alignment problems usually manifest themselves in the form of
one Mac being unable to read or write disks other Macs can read just fine.  In
this case, I doubt it's alignment, because both Macs were able to read the
disks OK initially.
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Re: Look at this!

2003-01-16 Thread the pickle
At 16:26 -0600 on 16/01/03, Jack Gallemore wrote:

I've got the SE and LCIII, do you have a 'How-To'?  G

http://www.stuartbell.dsl.pipex.com/PMGSP/PMSGP.html

at least I think that's it.
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Re: Look at this!

2003-01-16 Thread the pickle
At 14:35 -0800 on 16/01/03, Woesthoff, Hans wrote:

Clicking on the link gives me:
   The page you are trying to get to was not found at this address.

Yeah, stick a PowerCC/ after the domain name:

http://www.stuartbell.dsl.pipex.com/PowerCC/PMGSP/PMGSP.html

Stuart, you might consider breaking off the PMGSP as its own directory,
considering it doesn't have much to do with CCs :)
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Re: OS 7.1 Features vs. 7.5.3 ?

2003-01-16 Thread the pickle
At 19:10 -0500 on 16/01/03, mginn5 wrote:

Does anyone remember the advantages of running 7.5.3 on an SE/30, as

Not many, if any.

compared to 7.1 ?
I'd like to be able to sort the 'list view' via labels, for one.

You should be able to show the labels column in the Views control panel.

Sticky menus started on OS 8.5, right ?

Yep, although there are two or three add-ons that will give this functionality
to anything running at least 7.1.
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Re: Stuff inside the Hard Drive

2003-01-16 Thread PastrFisch
No, I don't think so. I turned everything off in my office, (except the 
lights of course) turned on the drive, stuck a pencil in the fan to make it 
stop, (it's very noisy) and could neither hear nor feel anything, (I put my 
finger on the hard drive to see if I could feel it moving or buzzing or 
something). So . . . as Martin Luther would say: What does this mean? 

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Re: OS 7.1 Features vs. 7.5.3 ?

2003-01-16 Thread Marten van de Kraats

Sticky menus started on OS 8.5, right ?

Yep, although there are two or three add-ons that will give this functionality
to anything running at least 7.1.

There are even add-ons that allow sticky menu's with system 6.

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Re: Stuff inside the Hard Drive

2003-01-16 Thread the pickle
At 19:17 -0500 on 16/01/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

No, I don't think so. I turned everything off in my office, (except the
lights of course) turned on the drive, stuck a pencil in the fan to make it
stop, (it's very noisy) and could neither hear nor feel anything, (I put my
finger on the hard drive to see if I could feel it moving or buzzing or
something). So . . . as Martin Luther would say: What does this mean?

Those Miniscribe drives were notorious for dying from stiction.  What's
stiction, you ask?  A combination of the words sticky and friction, it's
the phenomenon that occurs when the bearings in a hard drive seize up.  The
drive can occasionally be resurrected by holding it in one hand whilst applying
a very sharp blow to the edge of the drive with the other (do this over a bed
or pillow in case you drop the drive).  This can sometimes break the stuck
platters loose, allowing the drive to spin up and allowing you to recover any
data on the drive.  Once spun up, the drive should *NOT* be allowed to spin
back down again, because you run the very real risk that once it spins down, it
has spun its last.

The drive should be replaced as soon as possible.  Any SCSI drive with a 50-pin
connector should work OK.
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Hearing the Hard drive

2003-01-16 Thread PastrFisch
Sorry if this is a repeat - got an I.M. while I was writing it and couldn't 
remember if I sent it or not - anyway

No, I don't think the Hard Drive is trying to spin up. I turned everything 
off in my office, (except the lights of course) turned on the drive, stuck a 
pencil in the fan to make it stop spinning, (it's very noisy) and could 
neither hear nor feel anything, (I put my finger on the hard drive to see if 
I could feel it moving or buzzing or something). So . . . as Martin Luther 
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Re: Stuff inside the Hard Drive

2003-01-16 Thread PastrFisch
Alrighty - I'm game - but do I take the drive out of the plastic box? Or do 
I just hit the whole thing. Do I hit it with my hand or a hammer, (I have 
both handy - no pun intended). And, do I hit it on the side or the top or 
does it matter, (oddly enough, this is the very thing I've wanted to a 
computer for years now - it's cool to finally get permission). 

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Re: Stuff inside the Hard Drive

2003-01-16 Thread the pickle
At 19:34 -0500 on 16/01/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Alrighty - I'm game - but do I take the drive out of the plastic box? Or do

The drive needs to be fully disconnected and the mounting screws removed so you
can hold just the mechanism itself in your hand.  Hold one of the short edges
(it looks roughly rectangular from above) with your non-dominant hand, and use
your dominant hand to whack it on the opposite end so that the drive pivots
slightly forward in your gripping hand.  Don't use any tools to whack it
because you could damage the drive.
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Re: Hearing the Hard drive

2003-01-16 Thread Matt Jordan

On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 07:28  PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]

  could
 neither hear nor feel anything, (I put my finger on the hard drive to 
 see if
 I could feel it moving or buzzing or something). So . . . as Martin 
 Luther
 would say: What does this mean?


If you hear nothing and are sure that power is properly connected to 
the drive then it is quite dead.

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Re: 800k discs/disks and CRT discharge energy

2003-01-16 Thread ELN/rlf9

Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:25:27 -0800
From: Tom Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 800k discs/disks and CRT discharge energy

To clear up the persistent confusion and superstition about 800K vs. 
1.44MB media, here's the correct story.

Thank you for explaining this stuff so clearly, doc. A breath of fresh 
air!

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Re: Removing the Hard drive so I can beat it!

2003-01-16 Thread the pickle
At 20:03 -0500 on 16/01/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

How do I take the Hard Drive out of the case? There are five screws on
the top of the drive, I pulled two, but they are only about a quarter of an
inch long. I think this will only remove the top cover of the drive, (there
is an unbroken sticker at one end that say warranty void if seal is broken.

Yeah, don't remove that.

The drive sits in a metal tray. Do I need to pull this tray? If so, how?

Yes, most likely that tray needs to come out.

I can see no screws on the underside of the plastic case. How do I pull this
bugger?

Perhaps it slides out forward or backward?  If you can't get it out, you could
just hold the drive (still in the case) from the top (grab it like you're
turning a doorknob) and give it a hard flick of the wrist in either a clockwise
or counterclockwise direction.  Won't be as effective as a whack, but it'll
probably help.  Certainly won't hurt to try, unless you have particularly weak
wrists :)
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Hard drive is working !!!!!!

2003-01-16 Thread PastrFisch
IT WORKED! IT WORKED! I KID YOU NOT, JUST PUT IT ALL BACK TOGETHER 
AND IT'S WORKING NOW!! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!

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Re: Hard drive is working !!!!!!

2003-01-16 Thread the pickle
At 20:44 -0500 on 16/01/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

IT WORKED! IT WORKED! I KID YOU NOT, JUST PUT IT ALL BACK TOGETHER
AND IT'S WORKING NOW!! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!

Yeah, uh, sure thing.  No problem.  But don't trust it to stay working much
longer.  Start looking for another hard disk.
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Missing Compact Macs digests

2003-01-16 Thread Dan Knight
We've had some long-term outages with the lemlist mail server, and I've 
missed a boatload of digests from the various lists.

If anyone on the list can redirect (a feature some email programs have 
and others don't -- it's different from forwarding) copies of the 
following digests to me, I'd really appreciate it.

Compact Macs Digest #1448 to #1453
Compact Macs Digest #1455 to #1458
Compact Macs Digest #1461

Thanks!

Dan the listmom


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Re: Look at this!

2003-01-16 Thread Stuart Bell

On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 10:38 PM, the pickle wrote:

 Yeah, stick a PowerCC/ after the domain name:

 http://www.stuartbell.dsl.pipex.com/PowerCC/PMGSP/PMGSP.html

 Stuart, you might consider breaking off the PMGSP as its own directory,
 considering it doesn't have much to do with CCs :)

But then all the old links wouldn't work!  ;-)

A higher priority is to finish the project properly (interesting that 
the Japanese equivalent still has an external video cable between the 
two parts) and then re-do that page to remove the earlier (PDS video 
card based) ideas.

I really must get it finished this summer, as I expect to have more 
limited available in the autumn (aka fall).

Stuart


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