Re: Moving to Google Groups
I subscribed to the new list in my second mail account by sending a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and go the exact same message instead of a subscription confirmation. But I just waited, and now I'm receiving messages. It looks just like an (anoying) bug in Google Groups. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grichan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Doug McNutt escribió: Thank you! That's what I thought I needed but: At 20:05 + 1/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], We recently received a request from you to subscribe to the group Vintage Macs. We know you are excited about this group, but it looks like you are already subscribed to it. If you have questions related to this or any other Google group, please visit the Help Center at http://groups.google.com/support. The Google Groups Team Now I truly am confused. Was I automatically subscribed during the change over? If so why the excitement about re-subscribing from Dan Knight? -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: opening compact macs
I think chase refers to the hinge-like tool used to separate the two parts of the compacts' cases. I have no need to use it, because with my Classic I use what I call the pillow method: I remove all four screws (with a long handle TX-15, of course ;-) ), and then place the Classic over my bed, with the screen facing down, and gently sake it by the handle until the upper part of the case bets loose. You only have to take care to remove the case vertically so you don't break the CRT's neck. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Stuart Bell escribió: Plusses need Torx-15 drivers to open them, and ones with pretty long handles. See http://macfaq.org/hardware/misc.shtml#Q2.8.3 for the gory details. Stuart -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: System 6, Compact Macs on LEM today
Scott Baret escribió: 512Ke, Plus, SE, and Classic: All (the Classic DOES NOT need 6.0.7 or higher; the ROM disk is actually 6.0.3) In the thread about the Classic and the Plus being Road Apples or not, I think somebody claimed to have booted a Classic with a 400 Kb System 1.1 disk. Of course, System 1.1 does not have support even for 800 Kb disks (not to talk of HFS or SCSI disks), so it isn't very usefull to run it on the Classic. But it makes sense (the Classic uses a slightly upgraded Plus ROM, and so it shares the same System version limits), and it shows that not only the Classic can run *any* System 6, but also earlier versions. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Creating Boot Floppies in OS X
Daniel escribió: Can you mount the floppies in OS X? Are those same floppies readable in System 7? If so, can't you just mount the image in OS X and then copy the files to the floppy? I'm pretty sure I've done that before, on versions of OS X running on BW G3s or Beige G3s. Just copying the system folder into a floppy won't do the work. you also need to bless it (i.e., say the system that it really is a system folder). Classic Mac OS does it automatically when it copies the System file, but OS X doesn't do that. The result is that you end with a disk that has all the neccesary files but isn't bootable. That is why you need a disk image, and not just the files. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: maybe [OT] the Oscar the grouch CDEV/extension
You can find it in my FTP server, under the /Macintosh/Software/Fun Stuff/Grouch/ folder. The URL is under my signature. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Mauricio Santana escribió: I really don't know if this is too much off topic, but I think it makes it part of the compact mac experience, so here it goes... Does anybody know where can I get a copy of the Oscar the grouch extension? (A system 6/7 extension that made the ltitle green muppet come out of the tash can every time you emptied it) Thanks! Mauricio -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: maybe [OT] the Oscar the grouch CDEV/extension
It is a quite popular server, as it has many files linked from Gamba's web site. Add to this that my ISP only gives me 150 kbit/s of upload bandwidth, and you'll understand why sometimes it's difficult to enter or why you can get timeout errors when inside. I don't know what FTP client are you using, but using a dedicated one (instead of a browser) ussually helps to prevent timeouts. Don't missunderstand me - the problem is in the server and not in your FTP client, but a client change can help to solve it. If you use Windows, WS_FTP is wonderfull. If you're using OS X, I can't help you... :-\ Activating the passive mode on your client may also help. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Thomas escribió: Hi, Is there something wrong with your FTP server? It times out when I try to browse through it. -tt -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Mac Classic Platoon
Scott Baret escribió: One of the Classics has some kind of video output port on it. It went to a projector at one time. No idea what happened to the projector but I think a co-worker donated it to charity. If anyone else has seen one of these let me know...I could project something like MacDraw for covering stuff like area and perimeter. If I expand to cover middle school I could also do the Cartesian Plane through a HyperCard stack I found. First, though, I would need to find the correct type of projector. It uses a connector similar to a CGA monitor on a PC but the CGA monitor that I plugged into it (which works) didn't produce a stable image. Maybe I need some software. My guess is that it may be an EGA video connector. EGA and CGA monitors use the same pinouts and are electrically compatible, the only difference being that EGA ones support both CGA's 200 lines video modes and EGA's higher-resolution 350 lines modes, so it would explain why you got an unstable image. EGA monitors are able to show 350 visible lines at 60 frames per second, close enough to the 342 lines, 60 frames generated by all bw compacts (only a bit more than 2% difference!), so in theory, an unmodified EGA monitor should be able to take the video signal from a compact's logic board connector, perhaps having only to invert the synchronism signals polarities (I don't have the specs at hand). Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: FW: music
If it's freeware or shareware, compress it with StuffIt 4, BinHex it, and send me it. I'll share it on my FTP server, with some MODs from my collection, so anybody that wants can use them in their Macs. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Nat Hall escribió: There is at least one. I have it installed on my Macintosh IIsi under System 6.0.8. It probably isn't compatible with anything pre-OS 6, though. I think it is called StarTrekker. It plays only MOD files, not IT or S3M files. It's a very nice program, however, with quite a few playback options as well as a mixer. -Nat -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: FW: music
If you have a 128k, then you are completely unable of playing not only compressed music, but also any kind or recorded musics and sound (except short samples), due to the limitation of having only about 100 Kb of RAM available to user applications, and the slowness of the only hard drive you can use with it, the HD20, which connects through the floppy port, and is almost as slow as a floppy. You will have trouble even connecting it to your home network. It can be done with extra hardware and software, or maybe another Mac acting as a bridge, but it is difficult (or challenging, if you see it that way O:-) ). Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Katie Segal escribió: I do apologise - I do, of course, mean a 128kb mac (force of habit typing 'mb'!) -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: music
I agree with all you wrote. I forgot that using the HD20 or doing file sharing requires HFS support, and thus the HD20 INIT, which is not compatible with the 128 kb. But I would like to make one comment on your reply: [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: As a purist, I prefer this method since when the original 128k Mac was released, the actual model that Steve Jobs used to introduce it had 512k RAM. So as far as I'm concerned, the 512k logic board in the first case design IS the original Mac (the 128k logic board version was a crippled production model). Well, for what I read in Folklore.org (a great site about the history of the Mac's development, written and maintained by Andy Hertzfeld, Macintosh system software lead engineer), the 128's motherboard actually allowed you to raise the RAM to 512 Kb by replacing the 64 kbit chips with 256 kbit ones. In http://tinyurl.com/8y77f (a TinyURL to Folklore.org's article titled Macintosh Prototypes), you can see that motherboard revision #5 (made in late 1982) included support for *both* 128 Kb and 512 Kb of RAM. I think, also, that the ROM was prepared from the beginning to detect how much RAM was present and use it all (up to the 8 Mb limit imposed by the 24-bit addressing mode, that is). I also think the kind of RAM chips used was the only change between the 128k and the unenhanced 512k. So for a collector's point of view, the 128k and the 512k are completely different beasts, and the replacement of motherboards or even RAM chips, a sacrilege. But from an electrical engineer's point of view, there's almost no difference between them - only the extra horsepower gained with the increased RAM. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: music
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Sacrilege seems like an extreme word here. Well, that's quite a strong word, right. I should have put that word between quotes. I just wanted to show the opposition between the two attitudes. 3) The difference between the original 128k and 512k is more than just extra horsepower I was talking strictly from the hardware point of view. I can't tell 100% for sure, but I think that the 512k carried the exact same motherboard and ROM revisions as the 128k. Can anybody confirm/deny this? I may well be wrong. Of course, the extra RAM of the 512k alone makes a huge difference. The 128k had barely enough room for running a small application (IIRC, the system left only about 90-100 Kb of free RAM), thus you couldn't load the large extensions or DAs needed to do cool things (networking, removable drives with foreign file systems, Internet...). 4) Finally, the original 128k logic board had a bigger problem than being crippled by too little RAM so as not to be able to address modern standards. It was missing a resistor that could cause it to crash from time to time. There was also an incompatibility between the original ROM and the second generation 400k drives, preventing proper operation. Were these problems solved on the 512k, or later (maybe in the 512ke)? If so, what I assumed earlier was wrong... So, while a collector would want to own an original unaltered logic board for posterity, is it a sacrilege to repair these faults in order to make the stock 128k stable in order to use it? Food for thought. As I said in my previous message, I think that there isn't a wrong answer to this question. It depends on how you look at your 128k - as a collector, or as a user or engineer. Anyway, my *personal* opinion is that if you want to use a vintage Mac for everyday work, it is a lot better to use a Plus or a Classic (if you don't mind having a fan). The few unupgraded 128k that are out there should be kept unmodified. But that's only IMHO. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: music
If you talk about having a compact with 128 MB of RAM, I assume you have a Macintosh SE/30, the only compact Mac able to hold such a quantity. The SE/30 has hardware capable of playing stereo sound with a 22 Khz sample rate, which makes it able to play music with a very decent quality. But if your music is contained in compressed files (such as MP3 or AAC), you do need also to uncompress them on the fly (i.e., decompress them while they are playing). And the 16 Mhz 68030 the SE/30 has just doesn't have enough horsepower to do that :-( . One option would be to store the songs in an uncompressed format (such as AIFF) in the SE/30's hard drive, as playing an uncompressed file takes almost no CPU. But you would need a multi-gigabyte drive to do that (a 4 minutes song takes about 20 Mb of disk space if saved with a 22 Khz samplerate), and you would need to have all files duplicated in both the SE/30 and the other computers, dure the difference in format. So I think it wouldn't be a solution to your requests. Other options? Well, I'm pretty sure a barebones 60/66 Mhz PowerPC 601 is able to uncompress MP3 on the fly. The PowerMac 6100 has both 44 Khz, 16 bit, stereo sound input/output AND Ethernet interface built-in, and comes in a flat pizza box that fits almost everywhere (only second to the compact Macs, of course ;-) ), so it would be a nice machine for what you want to do. Just take one (they go for a song or little more at eBay), max the RAM to 264 Mb, install an old version of iTunes (IIRC, there were versions of iTunes able to run on classic Mac OS), and let it shuffle your song collection :-) . Join LEM's 1st PowerMacs mailing list (http://lowendmac.com/lists/1st-powermacs.shtml) if you want more information about that beast. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Katie Segal escribió: I have an original (128MB RAM) compact mac, and if possible I would love to play music files on it ( files i currently have on a newer mac) - do you know if there's any way of achieving this, with any sort of configuration re. hardware/software? Thank you katie -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: SE/30 Woes!
Daniel escribió: Does anyone happen to know where I can buy a long torx and a case cracker? You can get a long Torx driver at Home Depot and Sears. I have cracked many Compact cases without a case cracker - just work it very gently and persistently. With my Classic I/II, I use what I call the cushion method. After removing the screws, I place the compact Mac face down (I mean, with the screen side down) on a cushion/armchair seat/bed (or any other flat and soft surface). Then, I hold it by the handle and the base of the case, lift it a couple centimeters (one inch) and gently shake it until the front of the case pops and falls on the cushion/armchair seat/bed. Task complete! :-D Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Bell and Howell (KMM28102599I74L0KM)
Stuart's last message was sent on thursday, so he may be out for te weekend... He can take a vacation as everyone else :-) . Anyway, I agree: the easy solution would be to just block that account, but it's the Nanny who has to take a decision, and the only able to make the block effective. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Noah Wood escribió: Yeah, where's our List Nanny? On 10/15/05, Nat Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have gotten about four of these messages so far. It started yesterday. One of these for every new post that goes to the list. Somebody needs to unsubscribe this e-mail address from the list. Dan? -Nat -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: SE/30: Has anyone tried...
Thomas escribió: An IDE to CF + IDE to SCSI adapter could be another solution, but that would add up too and it's much less elegant. IIRC, that has been tried in the past with no luck. Cards get detected, but you can't access them or boot from them. But my memory may be wrong, or newer versions of the adapters may have been released which solve the problem. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: HFS or HFS+
I think HFS has a file/folder name length limit of 31 characters, and that HFS+ raises that limit (perhaps to 255 chars?). That may be the problem. Try to find a file with a very long filename. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Mike escribió: Hello there, When I try an burn a hundred or so old mac programs onto a CD (using Toast on a G4 iBook), I get a message that tells me to use HFS+ (Extended?) Instead. I am guessing that one or more of the files are making Toast upset. I burnt one file at random onto a CD using HFS and it was fine. Do I have to go through a long process of elimitation trying to find the ones that cause offence, or are there some sort of rules concerning files and the HFS standard ? (File name length ?) Thanks Mike -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Mac Plus with A+ mouse
Then, if I understand correctly, the references DA, DB, DC, etc. refer to the connector's size, independently of their pin count, isn't it? Also, the DC-37 (or at least a 30-something D-shaped connector) was used on many PC laptops in the 80s and early 90s as an external floppy connector (in case you want to add an example to the list O:-) ). Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Clark Martin escribió: The letter after the D specifies the connector shell (not the plastic handle). The numbers after it specify the number of pins. The standard connectors are: DA-15Old Apple video, PC Game controllers, AUI networking DB-25RS-232C serial, Mac (and others) SCSI, PC Parallel DC-37 DD-50Sun SCSI (IIRC) DE-9Old Mac Serial, Old Mac Mouse, Serial Technically VGA is a DE-15. Sun uses one I think called WG-13 or something like that with coax pins for monitors. Apple also used it for their two page display. It would be called a DB-13. In the electronics industry there are a number of other connector configurations with larger pins for power and coax. The use of the terms DB-9 and DB-15 are simply computer people who don't understand and are mis-using the terms -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Identify these Mac Plus ROMs?
Wouter escribió: Perhaps someone can, but I can't. The relevant numbers would be the 342-0341-A and 342-0342-A numbers. Yup, and the -A might indicate that it's the first revision? Mine are 342-0341-C (hi) and 342-0342-B (lo), which is kind of strange (I would have expected both to be B or C) since : Lonely Heifer was about a 2 byte change, Loud Harmonica was about 30 byte change. Those 30 bytes can't all have been in just the high byte of the code? Still, it works... Maybe it was Lonely Heifer the revision that affected only the high byte. If you look at the checksums (4D 1E EE E1 for Lonely Hearts, 4D 1E EA E1 for Lonely Heifers and 4D 1F 81 72 for Loud Harmonicas), it seems to support that... On the other hand, the same document says Not possible to get a specific ROM since they are all the same part number., so all of this may be wrong. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Microsoft BASIC
Noah Wood escribió: What is Microsoft BASIC? It is exactly what its name says O:-) -- the multi-platform BASIC interpreter made by Microsoft between 1976 and the late 80s. The Macintosh version came out in 1984, a few months after the Mac. In the first versions, it only allowed you to make conventional console (i.e., character-only) applications (as its 8-bit brothers), but later versions allowed you to access the Macintosh Toolbox to create a fully graphical UI, and included some other graphical tools, like an interactive debugger and a variable/expression watch window. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Macintosh Plus OS
An sotck Plus will be able to run System 7, but with a lot of limitations. The latest *practical* OS for an unexpanded Plus would be 6.0.7. Maxing the RAM to 4 Mb and adding an external hard drive would allow it to run 7 or even 7.1 without too many problems. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Noah Wood escribió: What is the highest OS a Macintosh Plus can run Specs: -- 1MB RAM -- Both Working Internal and External Floppy Drives -- 800K Internal Hard Drive Thanks in advance! (Now running 3.2 (I think)) -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Opinion poll: Which OS for Classic I?
Dr.O.M.Betz escribió: With a Classic II, in case it could have had enough RAM to run 7.6, you probably could have fed and watered the bird and walked the dog before it had finished booting... My Classic II (maxed to 10 Mb) has 7.6.1 with some extensions from System 8 (like the appareance manager), and takes a bit less than a minute to boot. And after booting, it is quite slow for everyday work (taking into account that I have on it applications bigger than I should, like ClarisWorks). Getting back to the conversation topic, I do love my Classic 4/40: it boots 6.0.8 in about ten seconds, and is pretty quick running the vintage apps I have on it. It is, actually, a lot quicker than most of the later (and more powerfull) machines I have in my collection. Of course, computer perceived speed is not the same as computer power - but we all know it :-) . Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Mac Portable
This is what is said in the Compact Macs list home page (http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml): Related Macs which are not considered off topic include the Mac Portable and PowerBook 100, both based on a 16 MHz 68000, although both would probably have better support on the PowerBooks list. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Richard Ballard escribió: Just got my new Mac Portable in. It's pretty compact. May we talk about it here or will that result in my shoestrings being tied together and my garage door duct taped shut? Aloha, Richard -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Genuine Apple I up on eBay
No, it isn't a hoax. It is Ebay item #5791473252. But the auction was closed before its end without any bid, andthat does not surprise me: I think, as many other people, that the auction's conditions were bizarre, and that a free auction with a starting price of $5,000 or less (and no reserve, of course) would probably have raised the price over the original starting value. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Gary Danko escribió: That Apple I is a hoax. On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 23:24:45 -0700 NODEraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, if he's only taking bids from pre-approved bidders, and wants to hand-deliver it to the winner, he's obviously not serious about getting rid of it. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Macintosh Plus: A Guided Tour
It seems that the Guided Tour is getting very popular minutes after its launch :-) . So I have mirrored it into my FTP server. If you have trouble at Ian's server, you can download it from me: ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/Macintosh/Misc/macplus.zip Please take into account that my FTP server is incompatible with Safari and several Macintosh FTP clients. You can connect to it using OS X's Finder, Internet Explorer or WS_FTP (my favourite). Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Ian Nixon escribió: Hello, list: I have posted a site which contains links to the Mac Plus Guided Tour cassette. I have a very limited bandwidth speed, so please test that your computer can play AAC files (If you are unsure) and click test.m4a. If your computer can play these files, please download macplus.zip , and avoid using the .aif files if at all possible. http://iannixon.cjb.net/~Ian/macplus/ NOTE: If this link appears dead, try again later today. I may have to update the IP address for the redirection. Ian PS - If anyone has a server I can use as an alternate link, please contact me off-list. I will also have a .torrent file later today to help save bandwidth speed. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: CD authoring in 8.1
Toast 3.5 is a good choice, but it's difficult to find in these days. If you can't find it, write me offlist. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Gary Danko escribió: Is there a good CD authoring software I can use in 8.1? I have a CD recorder I'd like to use. :) -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Upgrading an SE's HD
John Niven escribió: I have had very good success with FWB RAID tool kit sw in creating single, mirrored, and striped partitions. However, I only use this with non Apple drives. It works well even with OS 6. Do you mean that it is possible to actually use a RAID array with a computer running System 6? Given the current avialability of multi-gygabyte drives, it doesn't make much sense to do it, save for the being able of doing it :-) . That's a good project for a lazy sunday afternoon, isn't it? Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: SE CD-ROM
You need a CD-ROM driver in order to use a CD drive. The best option for System 6/7 Macs is CD-Sunrise, a free and quite small driver. Its only fault is its lack of support for ISO 9660-formatted CDs, but it doesn't matter so much, because most Macintosh CD-ROMs are HFS-formatted or mixed discs (with both ISO 9660 and HFS data). You can download CD-Sunrise from my FTP server (see my signature), under /Macintosh/Software/Drivers/cd-sunrise-22c.hqx . Good luck! Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Lavode escribió: Hi all, OK, I have an external SCSI CD-ROM, and it's a 24x, which used to hook up to a PowerComputing tower. The question: Can I hook this up to my SE and have the SE read CD-ROMs? The SE is a 4 MB RAM, running 7.5.3, with the CD-ROM install put in. Photo Access doesn't load, so I moved it to Extensions (Disabled), but all the other extensions load fine. When I try to put a CD-ROM in, it just sits there, and when I launch the Apple CD Audio player, it says there is no response from the Player. TIA, Lavode -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Upgrading an SE's HD
According to The Dead Mac Scrolls, this is seems a problem with the drive's driver. Definitely, as Ian said, the problem is with the drive's configuration itself, and not a hardware/termination problem. The procedure to solve it is this: * Put the drive in an external enclosure, connected to the SCSI port. * Power on the SE but *not* the external drive. Use a system disk to boot the SE. * As soon as you arrive to the Finder, power on the external drive. * Then launch a SCSI utility (the patched HD-SC Utility will do the trick) and use it to erase all the drive's contents, install a fresh driver and create and format a partition. That should make the drive usuable again. If you are able to boot from it while in the external enclosure, it will work also inside the SE. You can find the patched HD-SC in my FTP (see the link bellow), under the folder /Macintosh/Software/Utilities/, file name hd_sc_setup_735-patched.sea.bin. About limits: Systems prior to 7.5.1 had a limit of 2 Gb per partition, Systems from 7.5.3 to 8.0 had a limit of 4 Gb, and System 8.1 introduced HFS+ and raised the limit to a quantity that I cannot remember, but that even nowadays is far from being reached. As for power supply limits, many people has put disks of up to 8 Gb in compact Macs, so it should not be a problem with your 2 Gb drive. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Lavode escribió: Hi List! I have a straight SE (not an SE/30), and it has an 80 mb HD that I want to put a 2 GB drive into. I can't get the SE to recognize the drive. The drive was in a 7300 running OS 9.x in it's previous life, so I put the new drive into an old PowerComputing tower running 8.6, formatted the HD in Standard (not extended), and then ran the 7.5.3 installer, installing a copy of 7.5.3 on the 2 GB drive that would work on any computer. I put the new drive in place of the 80 MB, and turn it on, and it gives me the sick mac face followed by 000F 0002 Any ideas? THe HD is a quantum Fireball ST 3.5 series. TIA, Lavode -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Upgrading an SE's HD
According to The Dead Mac Scrolls, this is seems a problem with the drive's driver. Definitely, as Ian said, the problem is with the drive's configuration itself, and not a hardware/termination problem. The procedure to solve it is this: * Put the drive in an external enclosure, connected to the SCSI port. * Power on the SE but *not* the external drive. Use a system disk to boot the SE. * As soon as you arrive to the Finder, power on the external drive. * Then launch a SCSI utility (the patched HD-SC Utility will do the trick) and use it to erase all the drive's contents, install a fresh driver and create and format a partition. That should make the drive usuable again. If you are able to boot from it while in the external enclosure, it will work also inside the SE. You can find the patched HD-SC in my FTP (see the link bellow), under the folder /Macintosh/Software/Utilities/, file name hd_sc_setup_735-patched.sea.bin. You may say that you have done the same in the 7300. But many times, preparing the drive in the computer that is going to use it works, while doing the very same procedure in a different computer doesn't work - maybe because a PowerPC tries to write a PPC-only driver into the drive? About size limits: Systems prior to 7.5.1 had a limit of 2 Gb per partition, Systems from 7.5.3 to 8.0 had a limit of 4 Gb, and System 8.1 introduced HFS+ and raised the limit to a quantity that I cannot remember, but that even nowadays is far from being reached. As for power supply limits, many people has put disks of up to 8 Gb in compact Macs, so it should not be a problem with your 2 Gb drive. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Lavode escribió: Hi List! I have a straight SE (not an SE/30), and it has an 80 mb HD that I want to put a 2 GB drive into. I can't get the SE to recognize the drive. The drive was in a 7300 running OS 9.x in it's previous life, so I put the new drive into an old PowerComputing tower running 8.6, formatted the HD in Standard (not extended), and then ran the 7.5.3 installer, installing a copy of 7.5.3 on the 2 GB drive that would work on any computer. I put the new drive in place of the 80 MB, and turn it on, and it gives me the sick mac face followed by 000F 0002 Any ideas? THe HD is a quantum Fireball ST 3.5 series. TIA, Lavode -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Upgrading an SE's HD
Antonio Rodríguez escribió: About size limits: Systems prior to 7.5.1 had a limit of 2 Gb per partition, Systems from 7.5.3 to 8.0 had a limit of 4 Gb, and System 8.1 introduced HFS+ and raised the limit to a quantity that I cannot remember, but that even nowadays is far from being reached. I didn't explain well - I was referring to maximum partition size. You can use a multi-gygabyte drive with System 6 breaking it in several 2 Gb partitions. By the way: sorry for the double post - I hitted the send button by mistake while I was reviewing the text, and didn't realize it arrived the list until I had sent the reviewed version :-( . Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Upgrading an SE's HD
Well, I'm not an expert on Macintosh troubleshooting, but Larry Pina's The Dead Mac Scrolls says clearly that a 000F code in the first line under a dead Mac means the internal hard drive has a bad driver map, bad partition signature or bad directory block. As the drive has been recently formated as Standard (which implies it is in HFS and not HFS+), we can discard the partition signature and the directory block. That leaves us only with the driver map, which is why I make my guess about the driver being the culprit. Anyway, preparing a hard drive in teh computer that is going to use it, if possible, is the best way to make sure if will work without problem. Many hard drive problems are related with SCSI termination or black magic. But if that were the case, the Mac simply wouldn't detect the drive and display a disk with a question mark, or perhaps would lock up just after showing the happy Mac. Anyway, if after booting with a boot disk and opening an SCSI utility the drive remains invisible, it can be some kind of SCSI problem... Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ John Niven escribió: Darren, I step back, take a deep breath The 7300 has a SCSI disk and a CDROM. I don't know this machine but in other cases the last device on the internal bus has been the CDROM, which provided the termination and power for that chain. Either that or the cable has a separate terminator on the end. That means that the hard drive must NOT have its termination activated. So since I don't know for sure, I would not assume that the drive is correctly setup for it's new life. That's why I personally would have checked all the jumpers to make sure the setup is correct. Ever heard of the black art of SCSI magic? Well that's just bullshit from non-technical guys who don't understand transmission line theory. Sometimes an incorrect setup can still work. This leads to false conclusions. OS 6 can still co-exist with latter OS on the same drive, so I'm not totally convinced by your suggestion that the drivers are to blame. I would worry about the fact that a PowerComputing tower was involved at some point. I really know nothing about these. They may have modified the drivers. Finally, are we sure that the error codes given indicate a hard drive problem? I say re-seat the ram first, but check those jumpers! Best performance can only be guaranteed by correct jumper settings. Maybe you should check yours also. John -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: SE/30 ethernet card
Many old Ethernet cards (including most of the ones done for the SE/30) are incompatible with nowadays autosense 10/100 hubs/switches/routers. Maybe putting a plain old 10 Mbps hub between your SE/30 and your main 10/100 switch will solve your problem. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ John Roberts escribió: I bought an SE/30 about two years ago but never tried to use it until today. It has an ethernet card, but I can't get my existing network to see it. I've tried connecting directly to my router, and also through a 10/100 ethernet switch, which also doesn't see the SE/30. I've tried using both regular and crossover cables. The little green light on the card goes blinky as soon as I plug a cable into it, even when the router/switch doesn't detect it. Is there some way to check the ethernet card? No, I don't know what kind it is; I would have to take the SE/30 apart to find that out. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: User Interface Clarity!
Not everybody is a Mac fanatic here! :-) At least, I'm not (even if I do like Macs), and many other guys aren't. And I dissagree that the User Interface thing is off-topic: the main reason why System 6 is adorable is its simple and clean user interface, which places it in a level of simplicity that has yet to be met by either OS X or Windows. Talking about the many ways the Mac UI is superior to Windows, and the few ways Windows is superior to the Mac is on topic in this list, I'm affraid. Oh, and by the way: I don't need to fight for the Mac when I don't think it carries the reason: I'm a professional Windows software developer that spends 95% of its time with several Windows machines (a couple production workstations and a server), and during the remaining 5% uses several vintage Macs. The UI thing specially appeals to me, because I think that if a software title has to be great, it not only has to make great things, but it also has to make them easy and fun - and a well-designed UI is the only way to achieve it. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ NODEraser escribió: Well, it just gets old really fast. The arguments seem kind of irrelevant here, since (hopefully) most everyone on the list is a Mac fan(atic?) anyway. Ok, I'm done with the subject. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: User Interface (was New Classic II)
Could this have to do anything with the fact that you do can use Windows *without* touching the mouse and in a consistent way across applications? I know, the mouse is a lot easier to learn and use than the hundreds of keypress sequences a modern system can have, but I also can say for sure that advanced users in Windows can spend a whole session without touching the mouse, and that most times (like when you're using a word processor) it's a lot faster to just use the keyboard than to spend all your time moving your right hand between the keyboard and the mouse. That is the feature I miss the most on MacOS: the ability to switch to another application, select a menu command, fill in a dialog box (possibly with nested dialogs) and press the OK button without leaving your hands from the keyboard. On Windows, I'm able of saving all open documents and orderly closing the system if the mouse breaks up in the middle of a session - try to do that in classic Mac OS. Please don't confuse user interface (UI) with graphical user interface (GUI). The latter is a subset of the former. You can build a highly coherent and easy to use system (with a good user interface) using only a keyboard and a text display. Many Apple II applications (the original AppleWorks from 1984 or the ProDOS System Utilities come to mind) and some DOS-based PC software manage to do that quite well. The jerking pointer of Windows isn't a problem of the OS itself but of the cheaper-than-cheap mice people often buy with their PCs. I currently use an optical mouse with my Windows machine, and can say for sure that I haven't ever user a more precise pointing device. AFAIK, both Windows and Macintosh pointers are as precise as the mouse/trackball that is connected to the computer. Oh, and as Peter said, I'm not saying Windows is better than Macintosh. Even if Microsoft has made it better over time (most times taking ideas from the Mac, of course, but also throwing out the highly unstable Windows 9x kernel and migrating to the more stable NT kernel), I still consider the Mac to be more than one steps ahead of Windows. But if in one point Windows is better than the Mac, well, why not say it? If we can't be cryticall with our system, we will end looking as intolerant adepts to some strange sect :-P . Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: OK. I'm just confused then. If the mouse and pointer don't constitute user interface then we have a semantics problem. What do you mean by User Interface? You talk about the keyboard, but if there was ONE thing I always thought the Mac did properly, it was to incorporate consistent keyboard commands that worked intuitively in every application that followed Apple's guidelines (after all they came built into the ROM toolbox) across the board from 1984 on -- I am constantly amazed that key commands I use under System 1.0 work the same under OSX. For my money the Mac keyboard always traveled first class. Windows on OTOH was always a confusing jumble of right and left mouse clicks, CTRL, ALT, SHIFT, CMND, FUNCTION and letter key combos that changed from application to application (and even WITHIN the application!). That sounds more like 3rd class steerage treatment to me. And I never accused you of saying it was desirable. But I am curious to know specifically why you consider the Mac interface treats the keyboard less than first-class compared to Windows 3.1, if no other differences. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: 128k Repair Woes Update Expert Help Still Needed
Maybe it's a silly question, but... are you sure the CRT is in working order? Even if the glass isn't broken, it's possible that a blow breaks the heating resistor. You can check this by powering on the Mac with the case opened and looking at the end of the neck, near the circuit board. It should light with a orangeish glow. If you don't see the glow, it may mean that the resistor is broken, and thus, the tube's anode won't heat to the temperature needed for it to emit electrons and no picture will be shown in the screen, even if everything else works perfectly. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan), catching up with lists (again) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Well, I tested the 128k's T1 Flyback transformer in another Mac and worked perfectly. SO that's good. But installed in the 128k it does not seem to get power at all. That leads me to suspect the next prior component in the circuit, the Q3 (or HOT). I tested a known good Q3 transistor in the 128k and still no power to the T1 flyback. Using Prof. Lee's schematic, tracing the circuit backward I see the next component is T2. Is it possible this isolation transformer failed somehow with no visible signs? Feeding the T2 is a +12F? signal via resistor R7 and a +5V signal via a small driver transistor Q6 that is fed via a resistor R26. The +12F seems to coming from L1 toroid. I don't know the source of the +5V. I'm in no man's land here as I do not know what to inspect next that is most likely responsible for power failing to reach the T1 flyback transformer. Remember. everything else works ... the computer starts up, loads floppies, seems to be sending power to the CRT connector, and all the voltages test correctly off the logic board. So it would seem the power supply is working perfectly. Some obscure component is broken somewhere on the way from the power circuit to the horizontal circuit. HELP! And some listers wonder why I want to see if I can use the logic board in another Mac! -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Sorry, Need To Send A Test 'Mail
Your test hasn't arrived. At least, I haven't read it. Please blame your ISP, chech your system configuration and retry (not necessarily in that order). ;-) Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ J.S. Garrison escribió: This is a test. Facere Compositio Ex Congeries -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Mac 512k/AT MORE
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: But now I'm confused. If your SE/30 is routed through your NT/PC setup which CAN read and write to the G5, and the SE/30 can read and write to the NT/PC, then I don't understand why the SE/30 can't read and write to the G5 via the NT which should be intercepting and translating requests to and from the SE/30 and G5 NT Server does support AppleTalk over TCP-IP, so it can share folders with Macintosh clients. But I'm not sure if NT can act as a AppleTalk bridge, even if it has two network adapters. I'd have to check NT Server's manuals. On the other hand, OS X is fully compatible with NetBIOS and SMB, the low-level and file sharing protocols used in the PC. It's possible that the G5 is communicating with NT using SMB, and thus it won't see the SE/30. The solution to both situations is the same. Just create a shared folder in the G5 (I bet you already have ;-) ), connect to it on NT, assign it a drive letter (for example, Z: or Y:), and share it using Macintosh services. That way, the SE/30 will see the shared folder without problem, and all petitions from the SE/30 will be routed through the NT box into the G5 (and the NT box will even act as a protocol proxy translating between AppleTalk/AppleShare and SMB). Saludos, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Anyone interested in...?
As I see that, it's more a matter on how you take it than a matter of money. After all, it's a hobby, just as classic cars aficionados. A few years ago I bought my Apple //e Enhanced with a 128 Kb expansion board, one 5.25 Disk ][ and an original Monitor ][ for 2000 Pesetas (the old money of Spain), which is roughly equivalent to 12 Euros (yes, it was a bargain - I only regret I didn't have place at the time to store the other four Apple //e they wanted to sell). Since then, I think I have spent about 100 Euros buying parts to expand it (mouse, mouse card, drives, additional drive contoller cards, serial card...), mostly because it's impossible to find Apple II parts here in Spain and I have no option but to buy from USA sellers and pay for international shipping. Many people think it's a lot of money for a 20-year-old computer. At the end, I have ended with a fully expanded Apple //e. The cost has been a lot higher than if I had bought an old 486 from a trift store, but I'm sure you appreciate the difference :-) . And being in touch with many Spanish classic computer collectors, I can assure you that there are a lot of people that does too (8-bit computers as the Commodore 64 can be sold in classic computing user meetings for up to 50 Euros, depending on their condition - just because people want to pay for them). Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ J.S. Garrison escribió: It's an issue of expense, I'm sure. If you buy a kinda-running Mac at the thrift store for a few bucks, it's gonna sadden you to spend a lot to make it run as normal. Jeff G Facere Compositio Ex Congeries -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
HFS CD-R burning on PC
Hi, folks! Maybe this is a bit in the border of the list's topic, but as the target machine for this is my Classic II, I think it's still inside. Up to now, I have use an external SCSI hard drive and a USB-to-SCSI converter in oder to copy files from my PCs to my Macintoshes (a Classic I/II and a PowerMac 6100/60). Now I would like to make it easier by using the external SCSI CD-RW drive I have. It is working with the PowerMac using CD sunrise, and I think I won't have any problem to make the same with the Classic II. But I have found that CD Sunrise is completely unable to read ISO 9660 formatted CDs. And as the unit isn't Apple-branded, I can't use Mac OS CD-ROM extension. So if I want to copy files I have to burn them in an HFS CD. Does anybody know of any PC software capable of doing that? (By default, the PC use the standard ISO 9660 and/or UFS formats). I have read somewhere that Nero Burning ROM can create an HFS CD, if you already have the HFS image (which I can create without problem using TransMac). Is there any software capable of burning an HFS CD without first having to create the disk image? Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: HD-20 Booting
Maybe this can be solved by blessing the system folder. You can only boot from a system folder if it's blessed. To bless a system folder, open it, drag the System and Finder files out of it into the root of the hard drive, and then drag them again inside the system folder. When you move a System file into a folder, the Mac understands that you want it to be the start folder and blesses it. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Geoff Barrall escribió: Thanks to everybody for all of the great help so far. You've all really made me feel at home. I've recently purchased a HD-20 which I'm using with my 512K Mac. The 512K Mac has had the ROM upgrade and has been fitted with an 800KB drive. If I boot off of a recent system floppy the HD drive appears and works well (this is without the HD INIT system file in the floppy system directory so I'm assuming the upgraded ROM takes care of that but am not sure). However, even though it works great as a secondary disk I currently can't boot from it. The system detects it okay and I get the smiley Mac which is quickly followed by the Floppy with the ? which I believe indicates it can't find the system folder on the disk. I've tried replacing the system folder on the HD with that from the boot floppy but still it doesn't work. Can anybody help or suggest something else I can try? Thanks! Geoff -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: 1GB Compaq SCSI Hard drive
Many times it's because a termination issue. Make sure that the devices at both ends of the SCSI chain (and *only* those two) are terminated. If you still have trouble or are unsure, tell us what model of computer you are attaching the drive to, if it's internal or external, and which other devices are connected to the SCSI bus (if any). Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Sean Billings escribió: Hello, I've just got hold of a 1GB SCSI Compaq Harddrive and thought I would see if I can get it to work, but I can't get MacEnvy or Lido to recognise it on the SCSI bus, is there anything I can try? Regards Sean. -- Classic Computing Pages: http://www.megadon.co.uk/syrinx/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: System 6 in Spanish
My FTP server is up and running again, but I'm affraid that I don't have a Spanish version of System 6 in it, as I thought I had... :-( Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) Antonio Rodríguez escribió: I think I used to have a Spanish version of System 6 in my FTP server, but as many of you may have noticed, it is down since last week's tuesday. I expect to have it running again this weekend, but can't say for sure. And until it is online again, I have no way of checking - the FTP is down because the computer that hosts it is broken :-( . As soon as I put it online again, I'll tell you. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- currently not working :-( Jayson Estassi escribió: 1) Does anyone have some Spanish variant of sys 6 or ideas about where I can obtain it? I've tried System Six Heaven, Gamba's page, Jag's House, and the Mac512 (it's a shame Apple went after them) with no success. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: System 6 in Spanish
I think I used to have a Spanish version of System 6 in my FTP server, but as many of you may have noticed, it is down since last week's tuesday. I expect to have it running again this weekend, but can't say for sure. And until it is online again, I have no way of checking - the FTP is down because the computer that hosts it is broken :-( . As soon as I put it online again, I'll tell you. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- currently not working :-( Jayson Estassi escribió: Hello all, I am new to this list, but have been lurking for some time. Recently, I was assigned a project for a class at school. I figured that doing a presentation about my SE (FDHD/1 MB/Zip) would be fun and interesting. I need help/advice with the following: 1) Does anyone have some Spanish variant of sys 6 or ideas about where I can obtain it? I've tried System Six Heaven, Gamba's page, Jag's House, and the Mac512 (it's a shame Apple went after them) with no success. 2) Because I am will be taking it to school for the presentation, I think I need some sort of carrying case. eBay provided few hits. Should I go to LEM swap next or am I wasting my time trying to find something so old? 3) I am planning to run a bit of Shufflepuck Café. Is there any other gee whiz thing that I must do to show off? I realize my post is long. Thanks in advance to any who reply. Long live the compacts! Jayson E. SE FDHD Look, ma, it's got one whole meg! -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: RamDoubler
I should add that RAMDoubler needs a 68030 or higher processor. So the it will work only in the SE/30, the Classic II and the Color Classic I/II. Unfortunately, it won't work in the lovely Pluses, SEs and Classics :-( . Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Ian P. Nixon escribió: Haven't used it on a Compact but it greatly increased the speed of my PowerBook 165c. Ian On May 10, 2005, at 12:15 AM, Richard Ballard wrote: Anyone here have an opinion about the value of RamDoubler on a compact Mac? I remember using DiskDoubler with some success way back when. Grabbed a copy of RamDoubler on eBay recently and it's still sitting on my coffee table. Aloha, Richard -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: FPU update on SE/30?
AFAIK, it won't result in a faster machine. Even if the new chip is rated to run at 25 Mhz, the SE/30's system clock runs at 16 Mhz, and thus the FPU will run at 16 Mhz no matter how high it is rated :-( . Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ ralphpagan ha escrito: Just wondering if anyone has ever experimented with swapping out the FPU on the se/30's mainboard? I have a 25MHz 68882 from a dead Mac IIci, and I was just thinking about it. -Ralph -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Master of sarcasm :-)
For my own experience, These are the minimum and recommended (by me, not by Microsoft) memory figures for NT-branded OSes: Min.Recommended Windows NT 4.0 16 Mb 32 Mb Windows NT 4 w/ Option Pack 32 Mb 64 Mb Windows 200064 Mb 64 Mb Windows XP 128 Mb 256 Mb Some of these may run with less memory. For example, NT 4 will boot with only 8 Mb, and XP with as little as 64 Mb. But they *are* too slow for being of any use (well, at least if you find anoying having to wait 15 minutes from power on to be able to use the desktop...). Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Peter da Silva ha escrito: This is also the exact same baseline RAM requirement for Windows 2000 or Windows XP, the only recent enough versions of Windows to be worth bothering with. (NT4 was OK, but it's 2005: I want power management, I want USB Firewire, I want Plugplay.) I don't know about XP but I ran 2000 on my Toshiba Libretto and it was maxed out at 64M. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Color Classic DVD
I read a few years ago that you needed a 450 Mhz Pentium II/III processor to decode DVDs (or full-screen MPEG2) in real time. So, comparing the horsepower between Intel and Motorola families, I bet you'll need at least a 233 Mhz G3 in order to do that - I can't say it for sure, but the limit must be somewhere near there. Because of that, with a 601 processor, the DVD-ROM drive will be of use only as an storage device... Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha escrito: I'd have to check, but I think the CD-ROM is full-sized. Wonder what it takes system-wise to run that DVD? I've got a 601 PPC upgrade on a 575 LB and with a res-hack I can run up to 8.6 I think (but it would be slw). Wonder if that's enough? Though I heard somewhere that the hardware is not capable of processing that much video (at least in any kind of smooth way). Perhaps this is why I never did it. :-) -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ongoing saga - will this drive fit in a Color Classic
Edwin P. Groot ha escrito: My question is whether the Colour Classic supports 9 GB drives. The OS will support it. But Rob will need to divide it in several partitions, because MacOS versions prior to 8.1 don't support partitions of more than 2 Gb (or 4 Gb in the case of System 7.5.4 -I think- and System 7.6.x). I know that older PC (not intended as flame bait) BIOS and DOS configurations had limits at 32 MB, 540 MB, 2 GB, and 8 GB. A little comment on this, even if I may be a bit off-topic :-) . The 540 Mb, 8 Gb and 127 Gb limits affect only to IDE/ATA/ATAPI drives - they are limitations of the very old (and lame) hardware and software interfaces defined for accessing the hard drive in the PC. On the other hand, the 32 Mb and 2 Gb limits are caused by the different versions of the FAT16 filesystem. The Macintosh also have the very same limits in ProDOS and HFS partitions (see above), and because of the very same reasons: addressing the blocks with a 16-bit integer allows up to 65,536 blocks by partition; multiply that by 512 bytes (the standard sector size) or 32 Kb (the largest amount addresable by a signed 16 bit integer), and you'll get, respectively, 32 Mb and 2 Gb. Oh, and Windows NT also raises the limit to 4 Gb on FAT partitions, because it does the same trick as System 7.5 and 7.6: using *unsigned* integers to address the data in the blocks in order to achieve 64 Kb blocks :-) . As different as the IBM PC and Apple Macintosh may seem at a first glance, it's amazing how many things behave the same way on both of them! Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: OS Quandry
Dr.O.M.Betz ha escrito: never heard about 7.6.3, only 7.6.1 - a typo or did I miss out on something? Yes, it IS a recurring mistake of mine. Only God knows why I keep saying my Classic II has System 7.6.3 when that System doesn't even exist and it has 7.6.1... About the 7.5.3, I meant to say the latest 7.5.x series, of course: 7.5.5. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: SE30 Startup Trouble
Al Dowd ha escrito: [...] Suggestion was that the quick power recycle allowed some necessary capacitors to gain enough charge to support the second, successful boot. I have a better theory for that fix. If the PRAM battery is dead, it won't feed the PRAM, and thus, PRAM contents will be lost every time you power off the computer, right? I think the problem is that when you power on it again, it initilizes the PRAM battery but somehow isn't able to do a complete boot. Then, if you power off and on quickly enough, the computer will start booting, but the already-initialized PRAM contents won't be lost, and thus the computer will boot correctly (save for the The date and time is not set correctly message). Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Please remove me from this list
Hi, Max. There's a bug (a.k.a. undocumented feature) in maclaunch.com maillist server: all mailist commands have to be messages with its body completely empty. Many people has had problems with this before. Try to remove *all* text from the message body and, if you can, make sure your mail client is sending only a plain text version of the message. Hope this helps! Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Bugs Bunny ha escrito: Hello: I have requested my removal from this list using the official remove website, and others to no avail. Please tell me how to get off this list. Also please don't tell me to read the directions in each mailing, because I have, and I have done as directed and yet I still am receiving your emails. I am not angry, there are more important things in life, but I really would like to be removed from this list! Thank you, Max Jensen -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: OS Quandry
I think 7.5.3 is your best bet. If you have enough memory (8 Mb or more) and have a copy, 7.6.3 is another option (on the other hand, it's not free, and it's slower and spends more memory and disk than 7.5 - you choose). Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan), coming back after a vacation :-) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Robbie Johnstone ha escrito: Hi Everyone, I'm having a little bit of difficulty with my first install of OS 7.1 on my Color Classic - it's jamming whenever I open the date and time control panel. I think I'll do a clean install - but am wondering whether OS 7.5 might be the way to go? Any advice greatly appreciated. Rob :) -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Why do you like them?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ha escrito: What's your story? My first computer was an original 1984 Apple //c (the older revision that *could not* use 3.5 floppy drives). Even then I loved Macs, my parents wouldn't buy me one because, at that time, my older brothers were already PC freaks :-( . I'd have loved to have a LC or Color Classic with a //e emulation card! The //c was my only computer for a bit more than ten years, and I still use it now and then (I have it sitting right next to me :-) ). I love it because it's the machine I learned to program computers into and helped me choose my profession. In october 1994 I went to college to study Computer Science, and had to buy my first PC, Mithrandir (all my computers have nicknames). A couple years later, I started my computer collection with a second-hand Apple //e Enhanced with 128 Kb of RAM (functionally very simmilar to the //c). Since then, I have started collecting all old computers I can obtain (MSX, Spectrum, Amstrad -an European brand-, old-world PCs... and Macintoshes, of course!). You can see my current computer collection at http://grijan.cjb.net:@/ordenadores/ (replace the @ with 11234, and please do not post links to this URL - I don't want the address to be indexed by search engine spiders!). Ieven if I have loved them allways, I only got my first Macintosh, a Classic 2/40, a bit more than two years ago. It's difficult to get an old Mac here - they aren't very frequent, and the few people that have them, still love and use them daily - a fact that says much about the care Apple puts in all its products! Now I have also a Classic II motherboard with 10 Mb or RAM, a PowerMac 6100/60 with 72 Mb of RAM and 4 Gb of disk, and some external devices (a 540 Mb SCSI hard drive, a CD-RW drive, an Imagewirter II, and an USB-to-SCSI adapter to plug the SCSI devices into my PCs). I'm looking for a reasonably priced SE/30 and a working Classic case without logic board (for my Classic II logic board), I would like to plug the Macintoshes into my home Ethernet network (using the PowerMac as a bridge, maybe), but lack of time hasn't allowed me to do it yet. I make custom software for a living (when a customer wants a program that isn't in the market, he/she tells me and I make it for him/her). Even if all my software is for Windows, I love the Mac's simplicity and elegance (specially System 6's!), and try to keep my applications' user interfaces as clean as I can, and integrate as many Macintosh elements in the GUIs as I can without diverting too much from Windows' standards. You can say that my work wouldn't be the same without the Macintosh, even if I do it all with a PC :-) . Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Gamba?
Many of Gamba's site files are hosted in my FTP, which I plan to run indefinitely. A few others seem to be broken links, so they are not recoverable. But most of them are still accesible. I'd have to try to 'backup' and mirror them in my FTP server (even if the links from Gamba's site don't change...). Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Alan ha escrito: I checked and fortunately it's in the Internet Archive (http://www.archive.org), and they even did the archiving properly, for once. A few random tests on graphics and files showed were stored there, so the rest are probably there too. Dunno about off-site downloads. If someone wants to make a backup though, it couldn't hurt. - Alan On Mar 11, 2005, at 1:20 AM, Jeff Walther wrote: On a more ruthless note, should we give any thought to backing up the content on Gamba's site? We have no information. So we should assume that it could go down at any time. Jeff Walther -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Performa 578 modem problems
Check that the primary DNS server's IP address es configured properly. A bad DNS server IP will result in your Mac being unable to contact the DNS server and thus being unable to resolve domain names. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Steve Alessi ha escrito: The problem came when I tried to connect to the web with a US Robotics Sportster V.34 28.8 modem. I configured the Modem, PPP, and TCP/IP Control panels for my normal Earthlink connection. It seems like the modem connects and logs on, however when I try to access any Web page or check email I receive an error message The server does not have a DNS entry. Check the server name in the Location(URL) and try again. The server name is entered exactly the way Earthlink requires. I get the same message regardless of which browser or email program I'm using. What am I doing wrong? Or, is it Earthlink? Thanks, Steve -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: MacWrite spelling dictionaries
A backlight could be easily provided if you place a sheet of vegetal paper in the back side of the LCD and a small bulb (about 20 w.) or fluorescent tube (10 w. or less) behind it. In fact, the backlight on most LCD monitors is little more than a flat fluorescent light. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Dylan McDermond ha escrito: Yeah, that threw me for a loop too. And I thought a mini would be cool to place in a compact mac also (and easy to keep the mini intact), but the price of a small (sub-10) LCD screen is horrendous. I did find some computer-to-LCD-to-projector pieces at surplus for $20 each. I was tempted to buy one to see if I could gut it and use the screen/vga, but I think I'd still need some sort of backlight. Any comments on that line of though? -Dylan -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: ADB Keyboard Power Button
Ken ha escrito: Well, I am afraid that you are out of luck. The Classic II does not have soft power and cannot respond to the power key no matter what OS you have installed. The Classic II doesn't have soft power, that's right. But it *can* respond to the power button. My Classic II, which has System 7.6.3, shows a shutdown dialog when I press the power key. It doesn't power the computer off when it finishes (the Classic II's has only a hardware power switch), but it greatly eases the powerdown procedure (just press Power and Return, and voilà!, it starts shutting down). Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: ADB Keyboard Power Button
Sean Billings ha escrito: Excuse my ignorance but I thought that ADB was a serial protocol and therefore the power key would send a code like any other key, and it would be up to the Macintosh software to decide what to do? Unless the ADB is decoded earlier on in the Mac before the OS and any other software gets a chance to read it I would have thought that it would be possible to read? Yes, ADB is a serial protocol. But the power key is the only key in ADB keyboards to have a wire of its own. The ADB bus has four lines: +5 V, ground, data and reset. The fourth line is where the power key is connected. It's inherited from the origins of the ADB bus, first used in the Apple IIgs series. There, it was used as a Reset key, much in the same way as the Macintosh's Programmers Switch. If the reset line on the ADB bus was connected to ground, the machine rebooted. Later, when ADB was adopted by the Macintosh in the Mac SE and Mac II models, the reset key was redefinded as a power key. BTW: I'm almost sure than in the original ADB keyboard released with the IIgs (the borderless one), you had to press the Control key in addition to the Reset key in order to it to work (it was the way the Reset key worked in all Apple II models except for the original Apple II from 1977). This was made to reduce the chance of resetting the machine accidentally and, of course, was changed in later Macintosh keyboards. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: ADB Keyboard Power Button
Sean Billings ha escrito: Thank you Antonio The power key also does respond as a reset key on my Classic II in combination I think with Control and Shift (I was randomly playing while reading your email when I reset my Mac accidentally!), The combination is Command-Control-Power, I think. And there's an historical reason for it. In the Apple II, the Control-Reset combination really stopped the running program and dropped you to the BASIC or monitor command prompt without rebooting, so you could recover the memory's contents. The Open Apple-Control-Reset combination forced a warm boot: the computer rebooted just as if you powered it off an on. The Open Apple and Closed Apple keys were two modifier keys located at the sides of the space bar and used to issue keyboard commands in the same way as the Mac's Command key. Later, when the IIgs incorporated the Command key, it wasn't put in the keyboard as a separate key, but was combined with the Open Apple key. That's why ADB keyboards have an Apple logo in the Command key. so it is a separate line as you say but can it still be read by a DA for example? The key is readable by software, it's obvious. But maybe it's intercepted by the System or the ROM (in wich case you wouldn't be able to read it from any kind of software, were it a control panel, a DA, an extension or whatever). The answer should be in Inside Macintosh, but I do not own a copy... :-\ As your other post indicated later OS's support it on the same hardware so it is only a software or OS issue as far as I can see. In your case, it seems as it's only an OS issue. It works for me with System 7.6.3, and Dylan has said that it also works with 7.5.5. Maybe copying one extension from OS 7.5 into your 7.1 will do the trick. I couldn't tell what extensions to try... John Laughlin ha escrito: Yes, if you want to stop the machine from booting, you hit control-reset. To do a self-test, you hold down both command and option at the same time as hitting control and reset. Some II+'s can be configured to use only the reset key as a break key, in which case, control and reset will reboot the machine. The self test was invoked differently on different models. For example, in the //e and //c (which didn't have Option key), the self test was invoked pressing Open Apple-Closed Apple-Control-Reset (a really difficult combination!), or pressing both Open Apple and Closed Apple while powering the computer on. And the II and II+ didn't have a built-in self test. About the Reset as break key thing, it is as it was designed in the original II (it didn't reboot the machine but allowed you to debug the program in memory). In the II and the early II+ (the units made before 1980, I think), Reset worked by itself, without requiring you to press Control. Because the Reset key was located on the very same place where most modern computers have the Delete key (right above the Return key), it was a very frequent problem to press Reset without wanting to and lossing what you were doing or typing. In later revisions that was fixed by linking Reset to Control by a hardware switch which allowed you to configure that feature. The later Open Apple-Control-Reset combination allowed //e and //c users to easily boot a new disk without having to drop to the command prompt and keying a cryptic reboot command (ussually PR#6 or 6control-P... the easiest things to remember!). Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: 7.6.3?
Stuart Bell ha escrito: On 22 Jan 2005, at 18:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: System 7.6.3? Didn't know there was such an animal. Typo for 7.5.3 It wasn't a typo, but an error of mine. The Classic II really has 7.6.1. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: New Member...
As others have said, the Apple 600e is, as other SCSI devices, almost plug and play. It should work right after connecting it (power down both the CC and the 600e before you do that!). If it doesn't work, chek these: · The drive's SCSI ID (ussually set with a wheel or an odometer in the back of it) shouldn't be used by other device. If the 600e is the only SCSI device, the ID can be anything between 1 and 6. · You have to have the Apple CD extension installed and enabled. If you don't have it, you'll have to get it from another working Mac and/or enable it using Extension manager. · If nothing else works, it can be a SCSI termination (aka voodoo) problem. Write again and the gurus might be able to help you! Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Brian P. Rosser ha escrito: Hello Gang, My name is Brian and I am new to this list. I have been recently been bitten by the Classic Mac bug and I acquired a Macintosh Color Classic. I have a question though.. I would like to hook up a Apple 600e CD-Rom drive to this Mac. Is this CD-Rom plug-and-play compatable? Will I have to hunt down drivers for it? Is the Mac CC OS plug-and-play compatable? Brian -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: just bought a compact mac
You do need a Macintosh (or maybe an Apple II) to create a boot disk for a Plus. The Plus has a 800 Kb drive wich is unable to read 1.44 Mb disks, and a regular PC 3.5 drive isn't able of writting the Apple's own 800 Kb format. You would need a special controller and drive to read/write Macintosh 800 Kb disks on a PC, but it's a lot easier to get a 1.44 Mb-enabled Mac (for example, a Classic or an SE) than a PC 800 Kb drive. Veronica, what computer(s) do you have at home? Where are you located? Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Andrew Nolan ha escrito: If you've got a PC on the net, you can down load some programs 1)to turn regular PC floppies into mac ones and 2)get system software that will run the machine and put it on the floppie 3) maybe even find some old software lurking around on the net that will run on it. On 16/01/2005, at 12:54 PM, Veronica wrote: Hi, I was raised in a mac family so today at the goodwill when i saw a little Mac Classic sitting outside in a pile of junk and rain clouds overhead that were threatening to distroy it i bought it, because i felt sorry for it. Now I have a Mac Classic and know pretty much nothing about it. My family had an LCII when i was very young, but i havent seen it since it gave up the ghost i was about 9 and that pretty much sums up my knowledge of anything pre-system 8. So, I got my machine home and plugged it in (yes i bought it without even seeing if it would turn on) and i get a screen with a picture of what appears to be a floppy disk with a question mark blinking in the middle. I have no keyboard, no mouse, and no software. I would love to hear from anyone with any suggestions about how to salvage it, or even just a place to start. Thanks, Veronica -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Mini...
Hmmm... 6.5 by 6.5... I think it's smaller than any compact's base, so it may be possible to remove the guts from the Mini's case and place them in the bottom of a modified compact case. Then you would have to add the final touchs: case surgery so the optical drive's slot and the fan's grid are accesible (an SE or SE/30 case would ease the optical drive access because of its front design), placing the power brick and the inners of an VGA monitor inside the case and, if neccessary, replacing the BW CRT with a color one. It would be an interesting project, perhaps easier than other conversions that have been done in the past :-) . Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha escrito: think itll work in a CC? -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Macintosh Development System
Jeff Walther ha escrito: http://www.euronet.nl/users/mvdk/development.html At about 12:30 PM US Central Time on 1/10/2005 that link isn't working. The page is there, but the link for the development system can't be found. Also the link for MacPascal doesn't appear to be working either. I downloaded MDS yesterday. I have it on two ~150 Kb files in the hard drive. If someone wants it, I can send both files by email without problem (keep replies offlist, of course! ;-) ). Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Macintosh Development System
My reply follows quoted text. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha escrito: Internet Archive to the rescue! http://web.archive.org/web/20031005063002/http://www.multimac.ch/ download/utilitaires/68+apple+development+system/ Seems to download fine on my end... Version 4.0.2 of StuffIt Expander, running on a 520c PowerBook, chokes on both files. So does the new version of StuffIt for Winbloze. Same for a '.sit' extractor written for the Amiga O/S. A quick check with TransMac on a Windows XP machine reveals that the files are StuffIt 5 archives encoded using MacBinary. If you're using a PC to download them, follow these steps to save them to a Mac-formatted disk: 1) Download the files by right-clicking on the links and selecting Save target as... (or Save link as...). Some PC browsers (Like Netscape and Mozilla) try to transparently decode a MacBinary file when they see it, even if a PC doesn't know what to do with forks and type/creator values... 2) Copy the downloaded files to a Mac-formatted (HFS) diskette using TransMac. To be sure that the proper decoding is applied, select MacBinary as the file translation in the PC To Mac Copy Settings dialog. After this, you should be able to uncompress the files on a Mac using StuffIt 5 or later. You should be able also to open the files with PC StuffIt 5, but you will probably loose the resource forks. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Mac Plus ressurrection
AFAIK, the happy Mac icon should appear over a 50% gray background. As Ian said, only the sad Mac shows in a black background. Maybe your ROMs are broken. I think there is no problem taking out the Plus' ROMs and reading them in a PROM writer. In the case they are broken, there should be no problem to replace them using 27xx EPROM chips burned with the appropiate data. Just make sure to respect the original layout (as the Plus has a 16-bit bus and the 27xx series have a 8-bit bus, surely one chip contains the odd bytes and other the even bytes, you know). Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ waynegriffin ha escrito: Hello Again Folks, Now that we have established that the CRT's are compatible, I have a few more questions... I put the CRT and the yoke from the Classic into the Plus. I then made a System 6 boot disk onto 800k DD from my SE/30 specifically for the Plus. When I try to boot the Plus it hangs after I get a Happy Mac. Though I have not formatted the my external drive to a 3:1 interleave, I do not believe that the Plus wants to boot from SCSI either. I have cleaned the heads on the floppy drive and I am very sure that the boot disk is good After about 25 seconds of reading the floppy disk, the Plus just hangs with the Happy Mac icon and does absolutely nothing from that point on. It never gets to the Finder. Also- is it normal to have an absolutely black background for the Happy Mac icon during boot? I can't remember what its supposed to look like its been so long! Could I have bad ROM's? Cheers, [w] -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Keyboard options for Mac Plus?
I can not say it 100% sure, but the keyboard port protocol used by the Plus is not compatible with those used in all other systems, specifically the PC/PS2 and ADB protocols. I know there are PS2-to-ADB adapters, but know none for the Plus' keyboard port. Anyway, you can use without problem keyboards from the 128k and the 512k/512ke in the Plus: they use the same bus. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Nat ha escrito: This has probably come up before, so I apologize in advance for rehashing an undoubtedly old subject. I was wondering if it's possible to connect a keyboard other than the Plus keyboard to the Macintosh Plus. Specifically, I would like to use an ADB keyboard. Does an adapter for such a purpose exist or would I be on my own to create one? Or is it simply impossible? If not an ADB keyboard, how about keyboards from other computer systems? Like an older PC/AT style keyboard? -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Mac Christmas Tree
Andrew, a Mac Freak ha escrito: For those who wanted to know what I am going to control with the Serial I/O device I posted about earlier, here it is: the Mac Powered Christmas Tree! Connected to a little Duo I built from a box of broken Duos, the serial i/o device is controled by a timer program to turn on and off the tree lights and the little model train. I know its a bit of an overkill, to have a whole laptop just to be a timer, but I didn't sacrifice anything for the cause, and besides its fun to say, I've got a Mac Powered Christmas Tree! A Mac gives you the power to do a lot more than a simple timer. Make the lights variate their sequences randomly, play music, sinchronize the lights to the music, show animated season pictures in the Duo's screen... Be creative! The possibilities are endless! Apple - the power to be your best ;-) . Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: hello
¡Hola, Julián! ¡Bienvenido a Compact Macs! (Apologies for the Spanish sentence, but I just had to greet another Spanish speaker in my mother tongue :-) ). Congratulations for your find! Many people doesn't like the Classic as much as other compact Macintoshes, but I find it a cute little machine :-) . I love it. As others have already said, not only the Classic's sound output isn't good enough for hi-fi music (it's only a monophonic 8 bit, 22 khz output), but also the processor isn't capable of decoding even the lower bitrates (an 8 Mhz 68000 compares well to an 8 Mhz 80286). If you want to use it as a jukebox to play background music, you can convert the sound files to AIFF format at a sampling rate and quality suitable for the Classic. With 8 bit mono at 11 Khz, you'll get an 1-to-16 compression ratio (MP3 at 128 kbps gives you an 1-to-12 ratio) and you'll be able to fit several dozens of hours of music in a 2 Gb internal drive (the largest you can attach to a Classic if you don't want to deal with partitions). Saludos / Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ P.D.: I'm from Spain. I'm affraid we're a bit far from each other, but count on me with whatever you want. Of course, you can write to me in Spanish ;-) . Julian Belistri ha escrito: well... is here somebody? i don´t write english, bacause i´m from Argentine. is working this mailing.list? can i speak spanish here? i´m interesting in know some tings about a Mac Classic than i have got now, it wan on the trash... on the street, i repair its power-suply and its work... what can i do with this computer? can i install linux? my idea was use it as a mp3 player only... but now i read thah its sound is 'mono'... and other thinks. well.. if here is somebody i wait help!! thank you. j pd: por ahi escribí todo eninglés al pedo, si suelen usar español avisen... supongo que algo se entenderá de lo de arriba igual. ta´luego. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: hello
Julian Belistri ha escrito: can i install linux? Oh, I forgot to reply to that. I'm affraid there isn't an Unix that runs on a plain 68000. But I may be wrong. What I can say for sure is that both AUX (Apple's Unix), BSD and Linux require a 68030 or better processor. If there is such a thing as a Minix for Macintosh, it *may* be compatible with the 68000. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: 800k floppy (was Hi from Poland)
There's an easier way of blessing a folder. Select both the Finder and System files, drag them out of the folder to the root of the disk, and then drag them again into the folder you want to bless. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Andrew, a Mac Freak ha escrito: OH! Heh, I didn't see that... my bad. But now, when I use Disk Copy 6 on OS 8.6 and make a System 7.0 boot disk (which has 6.0.7 sys software) and I pop the floppy into the SE, it spits it right back out and puts an X on the floppy-qustionmark icon. I looked at the floppy back on my Beige, and the System Folder, sure enough, isn't blessed. I tried to remove the system folder from the floppy, then put it back in, but it still doesn't bless it. Andrew -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: 800k floppy (was Hi from Poland)
What OS is the G3 running? I have heard that late versions of classic Mac OS (the 9.x series, I think) have problems blessing System 6/7 floppies, and that OS X is completely unable. Anyway, if you downloaded a boot disk image, you shouldn't need to bless its system folder: it should have come blessed. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Andrew, a Mac Freak ha escrito: Hmmm, that didn't work either. Its just a blank System Folder with no Mac icon. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: SE and SEFDHD
You can use a second disk. Format a 800 kb disk in the G3 and copy the Iomega extension to it. Boot the SE with the boot floppy. Eject it with Command-E (a shadow will stay in the desktop). Insert the disk where you put the Iomega extension. Drag the Iomega extension to the shadowed disk and do as many disk swaps as the SE asks for :-) . Finally, put the Iomega extension in the boot disk's System folder and reboot the SE with it. To be sure, after this work is done, you can write-protect the boot disk so it doesn't get unblessed if you put it into the G3 by mistake. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Andrew, a Mac Freak ha escrito: Ok, I reinserted the floppy and used diskcopy to rewrite the boot disk to the floppy, and this time I did not re insert the floppy after it finished, and it booted the SE. From what I could tell from the Apple HD SE Setup the internal 20MB HDD is toast. Whenever I insert the boot disk into the beige G3 it unblesses the system folder and is unable to re-bless it, so I can't install the Iomega 4.2 extension to it to use the Zip drive. Andrew -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Downloading files with out a mac
I use a program called TransMac. It allows you to format/read/write Mac-formatted disks, including diskettes, hard drives, Zips (and other removable medium), and CD-ROMs (read-only). This is what you have to do: 1) Download the file using your favourite browser. Make sure the browser doesn't decode it if it's in BinHex or MacBinary format (.HQX or .BIN file extensions). If you use Netscape/Mozilla/FireFox, you do that by right-clicking the link and selecting Save destination as... in the pop-up menu instead of left-clicking it. As far as I know, Exploder doesn't try to automatically decode Mac-encoded files. 2) Copy it to a Mac-formatted (HFS) diskette using TransMac. You can format the disk either with your Mac (recommended!) or using TransMac itself. Leave TransMac options to de thefault values (auto-sense the file encoding and auto-assign of type/creator pairs) - that works most times. 3) Insert the disk in the Macintosh and try to open the files. If it doesn't work, chances are that TransMac's default settings didn't work for that file. Try different settings (select manually the file encoding type and enter, if neccessary, the type/creator pair). If nothing works, write back here ;-) . Just a word about file encoding. As you may know, Macintosh files are almost allways composed of two parts called forks (the data fork and the resource fork). You can think of them as two files under a single name. Mos other computer systems don't support forks, and even in those that support them (like Windows NT/2000/XP using the NTFS filesystem), applicattions ussually don't use them. So does the Internet. Because of that, in order to transfer files outside the Macintosh or to download them from the Internet, a way is needed to pack both forks into a single file. That is what file encoding is used for. This also explains why you shouldn't decode a file in the PC: as the PC doesn't support/use multiple forkes, when you decode a file on it, you only get the data fork and lose the resource fork, which, in many cases, renders the file unusuable (specially if it's a driver/system extension/application). Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Greg Grady ha escrito: Hi First thans to every one who has been helping me along. I need to down load some files to get software on one of my macs. All I have to download it with is a PC. Some of the software is for a NIC so I can just uses the mac to down load files. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Downloading files with out a mac
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ha escrito: Is it true that forked files are a thing of the past now that OSX is on the scene? I can't say it for sure, but I seriously doubt it. because of two reasons. First, without forks, you wouldn't be able to execute any pre-OSX software: code is allways stored in the resource fork. Second, OSX, as most Unix-based OSes released in the last few years, is able to manage *multiple* forks per file (not only two!). What is true is that OSX native applications don't use forks anymore, but a new concept called a bundle: when you see an application icon, it isn't really a single file as it seems; it's really a disguissed folder with a lot of single-forked files inside it (application code, libraries, icons and other resources, file templates, etc.). Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Disk imaging software
Hi! Maybe it's a bit of off-topic, but as I intend to do it with my Classic, I think it's at least in the border ;-) . I have recently received a bunch of 3.5 (800 kb) Apple ][ disks. I'd like to create images of them, to be able to transfer them to my PC and use them with emulators or (possibly) transfer them to my Apple //e's Compact Flash drive (my //e doesn't have a 3.5 drive). I need an utility capable of creating raw byte-by-byte images of disks in my Classic. Can you tell me of one of such programs? Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Disk imaging software
J. Garrison ha escrito: Gee, do they make a Rawrite for the Mac? A quick search in Google turns nothing but a few complains on how hard is to recreate a boot disk from a disk image in the Macintosh :-( . If I had OS X, I would just use the dd command, but I have heard that OS X won't run in a 68030 with 10 Mb of RAM ;-) . I thought of grabbing the software off the Apple's Older Software part of their site that the Apple IIe Emulator Card needs. It probably has the stuff you'd need for that. I have to check it. As the IIe Card is able to deal with disk images, the package should have an utility to create them. I hope it runs even if I don't have a IIE Card! Or maybe PC Exchange? Isn't that an utility to access FAT-formatted volumes from MacOS? Darren ha escrito: I'm probably missing the point, nothing new there. diskcopy 4.3 then .zip, .sit or any other flavor before networking or putting them onto a 1.44 disk for transfer to the pc to then use with emulators. Does DiskCopy 4 make raw, headerless disk images? That's what I need - I can't open any kind of compressed disk images, except for the propetary .SDK (Shrinkit DisK) format. My //e doesn't get much work, null modem cable? Anything on asimov that will help? My //e doesn't have a 3.5 drive :-( . If it had, I could read the disks without additional tools... You might have a browse through this link also, being yet another useful Aussie site, I cant resist the plug. http://www.zip.com.au/~alexm/faq/ Nice FAQ. It mentions several utilities to manage disk images. Unfortunately, it talks only about 5.25 disks and disk images, and centers on software that runs on the Apple II itself (which is of no help for me since my //e only has a 5.25 drive). Anyway, I'll see if the few Macintosh packages they talk about can image 800 kb disks. Thanks for your help! Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Disk imaging software
Darren ha escrito: Your saying you //e cant speak to other computers or you cant find a term program to use with a null modem cable. No, it's exactly the opposite problem. My //e has a working Super Serial Card, and I have already written a couple of programs that allow me to transfer a 5.25 disk to a image file in my PC's hard drive. But the //e has no 3.5 drive. Thus, it can't read 3.5 floppies, nor send the data over a serial line in order for the PC to create the image. I'm interested in the flash drive, know nothing about it but it makes me think swapping the drive for use with a emulator before it goes back into the //e may be the easist way. That's exactly what I intend to do if I buy it (at about $110, it's a bit expensive, but maybe it will be a good inversion!). The flash adapter (CFFA, as it's called in the Apple II world) with a 64 MB CF card can provide two ProDOS partitions (32 Mb is the size limit for a ProDOS partition). Then, you can use the first as the work partition, and the second to copy programs to and from other Compact Flash-enabled computers: as discussed recently in Apple2list, there's a program for Windows, CiderPress, that lets you access ProDOS partitions and disk images, much in the fasion as the know TransMac does with HFS partitions. But I disgress, because using a CFFA with CiderPress doesn't involve a Mac at all, and is clearly off-topic :-( . Meanwhile, I'll try to create a 800 kb. raw disk image in my Classic I/II to transfer to my PC and then copying the files to my Apple //e using a serial link. Btw: isn't it fun to use both a 16-bit machine and a 32-bit machine to put data into an 8-bit machine? ;-) Trying to suggest other options you may get an working idea from. Thank you! :-) Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Disk imaging software
It's five o'clock and I have to wake up at seven o'clock to go out for a bussiness trip... My portable has kept me awaken because he refused to run Acrobat Distiller, which I need tomorrow, and now I can't go to bed without replying ;-) . Darren ha escrito: In keeping with the OT'ness I use a program on the amiga that allows it to host disks for my C64 so it acts like a C64 hardrive of sorts, not perfect as the client side takes up valuable bytes which are required for some programs but for the main its very useful. Parallel connection. Oddly enough, there are utilities for the Apple II that do exactly the oposite: converting the Apple II into a file/disk image server for a foreign emulator ;-) . I'm working in a protocol called Simple Serial Protocol that will ease filesharing and program intercommunication between any platforms that support a serial port or a common network protocol (like TCP/IP). When done, an Apple II will be able to easily access files stored in a Macintosh, a PC... or an MSX (and the other way, too... how about An 8-bit, 27-year-old Apple II serving files to an OS X machine? ;-) ). $110 is a lot if your short. I'm not short, so $110 isn't a lot. But $110 plus overseas shipping and handling plus the cost of a 64 Mb CF card isn't few money, either. With that money I could probably buy half a dozen vintage computers in my area ;-) . Ciderpress is either the same or opposite of what I mentioned above. Neither the same, nor the opposite. CiderPress is a PC-only software (it has no Apple II part) to deal with disk images and disk partitions. It can only deal with files and partitions already accesible by the PC (for example, it won't let the PC access a disk located in an Apple II's disk drive). Its main feature is to let you access files in ProDOS, Apple DOS and USCD Pascal disks (Windows have never had support for those filesystems). It can also manage disk images and convert them between several formats (more on this bellow). Meanwhile, I'll try to create a 800 kb. raw disk image in my Classic I/II to transfer to my PC and then copying the files to my Apple //e using a serial link. You need to remove parts of the header(?) to make it raw if made by diskcopy you'll find the info in Pickles FAQ's, I dont agree but it may suit your use better than mine. Makes the image useful for rawrite under linux(???) Gamba had something on early disk utilities, might have been Jaghouse, both should be used Does DiskCopy 4 really make raw disk images with header? Nice! CiderPress lets you access without problem any raw disk image with header, given that you know the size of the header, and convert it to a headerless image. And if it didn't, it isn't too hard to write a simple program to strip the header from a disk image... about a dozen lines of code, I think ;-) . You must understand the past. I care not what brand of washing machine I use. Everything does something better than another yet fail at another task. Fun, indeed my friend. :) Yes. That's the reason I'm keeping the discussion on-list, even if it may seem an off-topic. In handling with vintage computers and their data, you'll find the same problems independently of the platform, and you'll solve them in simmilar ways. Take the text of this mail, replace Apple II with classic Macintosh, ProDOS with HFS and CiderPress with TransMac, and you'll get a fully valid text ;-) . Even if the Apple II (a hacker's machine) and the Macintosh (a fully user-oriented machine) have little in common other than their creator. You must have Revival on the pc? ( image utility ) Hm... I'll have to try it... Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: 512K Questions
Stuart Bell ha escrito: AFAIK, the 128Kb was supplied with the short kbd, and the Plus with the long one. I'm not certain about the 512K and 512Ke models. IIRC, the 512k/e shipped with the same short keyboard as the 128k and the long keyboard was introduced with the Plus. But I'm not 100% sure. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pina book on eBay
It only ships to the US... :'-( Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Stuart Bell ha escrito: Hi! Wondered if anyone might be interested in this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItemcategory=51046item=5132102641 -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Sales and Wants now OK on the list - with strictconditions!
This isn't a swap list. This is a mailing list about compact Macintoshes (all the Macs that have the same compact design and form factor as the original 128k). The point is that now we're allowing trade on monays. But all the seven days of the week (including mondays!) the main conversation theme are the on-topic Macs: problems, questions, suggestions, oddities, collectionism, etc. Feel free to peek at the list archive and get an image of what's going on here! :-) Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ martin ha escrito: excuse me, but let me see if I understand how things are now: 1: this is a swap list for Compact Macs peropherals only. 2: we may post sales or wants only on Monday (local time). so, my question is, what might one post on the other 6 days of the week? Are those days for reading posts only? Or does this apply only to Sales and Wants, meaning Swaps / Free Stuff may be posted at any time? m -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Yellowing
But, if the problem isn't sunlight itself, but the UV component of it, yellowing can be caused also by fluerescent lamps (which emit a lot of UVs). Can anyone confirm or deny this? I'm a bit worried because I store my vintage computer collection (not only Apples but also some European 8-bits!) in a room lighted by a fluorescent bulb (a big one with a couple fluorescent tubes inside it). Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Christopher Kolp ha escrito: Matt, A while back I researched this in depth and found that cigarette smoke left a brown tar residue but didn't contribute to case yellowing (non-cleanable yellowing). Sunlight seemed to be cause in every case I found. -Chris On Oct 18, 2004, at 5:29 PM, Matt Jordan wrote: Is there any way to remove the yellow tint from a classic Mac? Even if it can't be removed is there something that at least helps? What causes it and how can it be kept from getting worse? Thanks! Matt -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Proposal - final form that avoids being bounced by the server!
Only a couple comments. Stuart Bell ha escrito: I propose that the following comes into effect on 1st November 2005: Just to make sure, I suppose you mean 1st November 2004... ;-) About eBay, I agree to forbid eBay listings. If you allow them, eBay sellers that have nothing to do with this list can subscribe only to advertise them here, in the hope that it will raise the price, and thus we'll get a lot of spam all mondays. As Bruce said, the seller is free to list the item in eBay if he/she hasn't selled it here. Oh, by the way, aren't WTB messages already allowed in this list? I thought that you could ask for an item, but not try to sell it. And another comment (luckily I remembered before hitting Send): Stuart Bell ha escrito: I've been asking Dan for six months now about the idea of allowing strictly controlled sa les and wants on this email list. I've given up waiting for a reply, and now make the following proposal. If the vote is in favour, and Dan doesn't like it, then he can have my resignation. I don't believe you have to take such a drastical determination. If Dan decides not to allow the weekly sales day, we can just stop it - I don't see a reason for you to have to resign as list nanny. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: My 1st Mac is a 18 year old
With an SE you can use any standard ADB keyboard and mouse. ADB devices were the standard in the Macintosh until Apple switched to USB in the late nineties, so they shouldn't be too difficult to locate. ADB plugs look a lot like a S-Video (miniDIN 4) plug. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Sam Park ha escrito: Thanks J. I'll try the keyboard combo as soon as I get a keyboard :-) (and mouse). I'm finding it difficult finding parts for this vintage computer but I think it's going to be worth it. Sam -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Classic II noise after startup
I'd bet the problem is in the logic board, because my Dr. Jekill Classic I/II has a simmilar problem, and it only shows up when it is in its Classic II personality. Of course, in both personalities it has the same analogue board, CRT, hard drive and floppy drive - I only exchange the logic board. When I put in the Classic II board and power it on, if it has been some time since I last powered it down, a high-pitched whine starts to sound almost instantly, and grews higher and quieter until it completely dissapears after a few seconds. Other than this, the computer has no problems. AFAIK, the Classic II logic board is known for its high rate of capacitator failure, which makes it more easy to find a broken Classic II than a working one. It may be that there is some kind of problem in the sound section of the logic board, probably with a capacitator - but that's only speculation. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Dr.O.M.Betz ha escrito: Hi listers, when I started up my Classic II this evening it gave me an amazing concert I never had heard before: A high-pitched whine growing louder as it came down in pitch, turned to some kind of pinK noise, then to a stuttering, crackling noise, then it went back up in pitch again until it was nearly unhearable; after about ten minutes it disappeared completely, the ghoul was gone. ISTR an earlier thread on this subject stated that there were some capacitors on the analog board going south that could cause that sound; in another instance (CC II) Jeff said it could be the hard drive or the video circuits where failing components could make oscillations audible that were otherwise above the human hearing range. Does anybody know the exact explanation for the Classic II or can anyone identify the culprit(s)? I stand by with my soldering iron... TIA, OM /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ / No HTML/RTF in email X No Word docs in email / \ Respect for open standards -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: iMac CD-ROM in a compact?
Darren ha escrito: Stuart Bell wrote: On 19 Sep 2004, at 04:50, Jeff Hubatka wrote: The FP iMac in my room uses a standard 5.25 inch drive, Now, I _am_ sceptical about that! ;-) 3.5? How wide is a cd? He's probably talking about 3 mini-CD units :-P . Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Fat Mac Test
Hi, Tim. Welcome to the list! My replies follow your quotes. Tim ha escrito: I was at a library book sale this morning, and found, among a few yard sale items there, a Mac 512K (Model # M0001W). Good luck! :-) So my first question is: Are there any keyboard shortcuts that are universal, and should be responded to no matter what software is running? What I need to figure out is if the keyboard is dead, or just being ignored. At least in the classic Macs there wasn't any universal keyboard combination. The keyboard is probably just being ignored. Secondly, am I in danger of damaging the filesystem on the floppy by just turning the Mac off with no other interaction? No, you aren't. Don't worry. It's too improbable that the tutorial ever writes anything to the disk, and a read-only disk can't be corrupted in any way (as you know, disk corruption happens when you power off the computer without letting it to dump all data from RAM to the disk). Furthermore, in the first Systems, there wasn't even a Shutdown command - you just returned to the Finder and then powered off the Mac. Last, can an old PC serial mouse be interfaced to the Mac? No, it can not. They use far too different ways of communicating with the computer. You can interface some PC bus mice to a pre-ADB Mac, but nowadays bus mice are far more difficult to find than Apple mice, so IMHO there isn't any point on that. Ask on the Swap List or search eBay for apple mouse - you can get one easily for a few bucks plus shipping. By the way, you will be able to use any mouse from the Lisa, the Mac 128, 512/e and Plus, and the Apple ][ series (NOT the //gs! It was the first ADB-enabled machine). They all are compatible between them, varying only in the color (the //c's and the Plus' mice were grey, where all others were beige) and in the design (the Lisa's mouse looks a bit different, more 'archaic' if you want, with a smaller button and a more square casing). I remember sitting in another library 20 years ago and reading about the introduction of the Mac in Byte, and it's only taken me that long to finally own one. Better late than never! You can bet on it! :-) Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: floppy disks
Adding on what Ken has said, which is 100% correct, I'd like to explain that it isn't exactly that the older drives are weaker. The matter is that, when high-density (both 1.2 Mb 5 1/4 and 1.44 Mb 3 1/2) disks were introduced, they were specificated so the magnetic coating on the disks was less sensible to magnetic fields (or, using technical terms, to have a higher cohercity). This made the disks more resistant to external magnetic fields (like transformers or magnets), but also required a greater strength to write in them. Higher-density drives have that strength, but older drives have the normal strenght. Because of that, if an 1.44 MB disk is blank (and I mean *completely* - not even pre-formatted), an 800 Kb drive will be able to write into it without problem. The recorded signals may be weaker than it would if they were written by a (more sensible) 800 Kb disk, but they will be perfectly readable. But if the 1.44 Mb disk has been already written to, the 800 Kb drive may be unable to overwrite the older (and more strong) signals, resulting in a unreliable or plainly unreadable disk. On the other hand, a 1.44 Mb drive will allways be able to write to an 800 Kb disk because of its greater strenght. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Ken ha escrito: Need some help here...can my Mac Plus format standard 1.44 floppies to 800K that have been pre formatted for a PC or do I have to buy different disks. I assumed it would just format over the previous formatting. I get an error when I try. Thanks, Gary General discussion on this topic indicates that it is a bad idea to try to use HD floppies in older drives. It has to do with the magnetic characteristics of the iron oxide particles coated onto the disk. As I understand it, older drives don't necessarily have the required strength to flip the poles of the particles' magnetic fields to reliably code the media. Thus you may not be able to format the disks properly. That said, I have successfully used HD disks to move data to a Plus using formatted HD disks, though I formatted them on a PPC by placing electrical tape over the extra hole in the disk. Of course, the newer drive on the PPC was designed with the newer disks in mind. The drive on the Plus was not. It is chancy best used in an emergency but... Ken -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: iMac CD-ROM in a compact?
Snook, John R ha escrito: Does any one know the pinout on an iMac tray load CD-ROM? I want to put one in my hot rod SE. johnsn What model of iMac are you referring to? I have looked at the service manuals of both the Summer 2001 iMac and the 17 flat panel spheric iMac. While the manuals refer to the drive as a CD-ROM drive and as an optical drive, looking carefully at the pictures, it seems that the summer 2001 iMac uses what looks like an SCSI drive (at least the data connector has 50 pins, but it doesn't have a power connector - does it receive power through the data cable?), and for sure the 17 iMac uses an standard IDE drive (its data connector is a bit smaller, the same cable goes to the optical drive and to the hard drive, and in one picture you can even see the master/slave/cable select jumpers at its back). If you want to use one of the earliest, you'd have to find or build an adapter (maybe your question was that, and I'm speculating too much!), because I'd bet the SE will not provide the power in the data cable. If you want to use and IDE drive from the later, I'm affraid you won't be able to: there are SCSI-IDE adapters, but AFAIK, they only work with hard drives (not even with IDE-CF adapters, which are very simmilar to IDE hard drives). Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: iMac CD-ROM in a compact?
My replies follow quotes. Peter da Silva ha escrito: While the manuals refer to the drive as a CD-ROM drive and as an optical drive, looking carefully at the pictures, it seems that the summer 2001 iMac uses what looks like an SCSI drive (at least the data connector has 50 pins, but it doesn't have a power connector - does it receive power through the data cable?), It looks like a standard laptop IDE cable to me. Appart from Stuart confirmating it's a modified SCSI cable with power lines built-in. I have actually counted the pins on one of the pictures, and it has two rows of 25 pins each (50 pins in total), like a standard SCSI connector. The two IDE ribbons I know of have 40 pins (the standard data cable) and 44 pins (the laptop version with built-in power - four power lines plus the standard 40 pins data cable). Other picture in the same manual shows the hard disk/optical drive assembly. Both units are connected to different ribbons with different motherboard connectors, and the one that goes to the hard drive is visibly narrower than the one that goes to the CD-ROM. Now I'm pretty sure the drive in the Flat Panel iMac is a (modified) SCSI drive. But maybe we're talking about different models with different kinds of drives. iMacs have evolved a lot from the first models to the latest computer-in-a-monitor G5. Snook, John R ha escrito: First it is a 24x-speed ATAPI CD-ROM drive from a 1998 iMac. It says so on the motherboard. I wish it was SCSI but it's not. I have IDE on the logicboard im using in the SE (63xx)and I need a small CD-ROM to fit in the case. Stuart, how would you recomend I go about working out the adapter? If I'm not wrong, Stuart was talking about an adapter for a SCSI drive, not an IDE one... :-( If the drive you talk about has an standard 44-pin laptop IDE connector, adapters can be found easily for a few bucks. Count the number of pins in the drive's connector - in these cases, size *does* matter :-) . Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: European CC II precursor?
At least in Spain, the Color Classic was a moderately successfull model, being an small and cheap computer with color screen and a good follow-up to the popular Classic. If this happened in other European countries, I can imagine why Apple was designing a follower for it. Maybe the Power Color Classic was only a development nick some time before the marketing department decided to call the 601-based Macs Power Macintosh. The '040 processor would make sense also in one way: both the CC and the CCII are based on different revisions of the LC mobo, so Apple's engineers may have thought Let's create a new CCIII by putting an LC 475 mobo in a CC case. The technical specifications match that. Maybe they later thought twice about using a 10 screen and redesigned it with a bigger CRT and case, throwed in a faster 33 Mhz 68LC040, and called it the LC 575 (with a 14 screen it would be difficult to consider it part of the Classic family ;-) ). Or maybe it's just a fraud and, as you stated, the seller just put a 575 mobo in a CC case. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan), playing jigsaws with the pieces of information collected everywhere ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Dr.O.M.Betz ha escrito: Hi folks, just stumbled across this auction: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dl ?ViewItemcategory=26746item=5122500688rd=1 Unfortunately for most of us it is in German, but you'll get the picture by reading across it and looking at the pics, notably the screenshots. There are quite a lot of open questions with this thing, as Apple is not very likely to hve named a 040 machine a Power Colour Classic shortly before the advent of the first 601-RISC-equipped Apples; what intrigues me more is that the seller speculates that Apple developed this machine as a prototype for a European Color Classic II. Taking in account the short-livedness of the Color Classic on the whole and the fact that the CC II did not use the 68LC040 this machine has but that it simply used a faster 68030, I'd rather suspect someone did a clever job on a british CC with ResEdit and a 575 (available from february 1994 on) motherboard, although the seller claims it is from May 1993. I mailed the seller for details (front bezel nameplate, back label, origin) and will be happy to share them with the list. Have fun, OM -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Whoa, that was very weird
Jessi ha escrito: So I wonder why anyone would ever WANT to turn 32-bit addressing off... There's a number of reasons, mainly old or incompatible software. One notable case is the Apple //e Emulation Card's software, which will only run in 24-bit mode. Users that use it in a Mac with more than 8 Mb of RAM are forced to continiously switch back and forth between 24- and 32-bit modes (rebooting at each change!). Maybe you switched to 24-bit addressing in order to troubleshoot an application. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Whoa, that was very weird...
That was because 32-bit addressing was turned off. With 32-bit addressing turned on, the system runs in 24-bit mode, and it means that you will not be able to address more than 8 Mb of RAM. MacOS sees all the RAM, but takes away all the memory over the 8 Mb limit, and marks it as being used by the system. The solution to this is to re-enable 32-bit addressing in the Memory control panel. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Jessi ha escrito: Hi all, I just installed some new RAM in my LC 520 running 7.5.5. Went from 8 to 32 MB RAM. But the system went from using 2+MB to using 30+MB I was going crazy till I reset the Memory control panel to defaults and rebooted. Turned out the RAM cache had somehow gotten set too low. So now you know what to do if you ever see this phenomenon. I really thought I was losing my marbles. Jessi -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: booting Plus from external SCSI
I'd try to initialize the drive and install System 6.0.8 using the Plus that is going to boot from it. It's possible that the 7200 is installing a disk driver that is incompatible with the Plus. To do that, you'll need to create a minimum 6.0.8 system disk with your formatting/partitioning utility, and a set of 800 Kb 6.0.8 setup disks. Saludos, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Jessi ha escrito: Hello knowledgeable people, I could really use some advice. I bought a UniStor 120MB external SCSI drive, thinking I could install 6.0.8 on it and boot my Plus from it. Unfortunately, though I can start the Plus from a floppy and I can mount and read the UniStor, I can't boot from the UniStor. I get a sad mac error 0F001C. Can't find this one in the sad mac reference I know about - all I can find is that it's an exception because of the F, but I don't know what kind. I wonder whether I've been doing something wrong, or whether I just can't use this drive for this purpose. Here's what I did: I mounted the drive from my 7200. I used MicroNet Utility to format the drive with a 3:1 interleave (necessary, as it didn't come that way, and before I did this caused my Plus to emit all kinds of startling beeps of various pitches). I partitioned it as one Mac OS partition, and updated the driver. Then I ran the 6.0.8 installer. It warned that the software or hardware were incompatible. However, it let me do a custom install and install a system for the Plus. After I was done, the system folder on it even looked blessed - from my System 8 perspective, anyhow - it had a happy Mac face on it. When I hooked up the SCSI drive to the Plus and tried to boot up, there was the sad mac face. I have repeated this process a few times, sometimes using Lido 7 instead of the Micronet Utility, but with the same results. I can read it from the Plus but I can't boot from it. I really want to be able to do this. I want to avoid wearing out the floppy drive by booting from it all the time, I want to boot from the same drive I'll have all my data and programs on, and also I just want to solve this puzzle. Any advice for me? Thank you, Jessi Hance -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: booting A Plus
Gary Poland ha escrito: How can I obtain a system and/or boot disk for my Mac Plus? I have all PC computers so I need to purchase software elsewhere. I cant download and make my own disks. As you may know, the PC's and the Plus' drives are incompatible: the Plus can only read 400/800 Kb disks, a format that the PC is completely unable to read or write. So the problem isn't software, but hardware. You will need somebody to create the disks for you, but once you have your Plus running you will still have the problem of being unable to move software and data between the PC and the Plus. If I were in your shoes, I'd try to get a bridge machine - a Mac capable of accessing both 1.44 Mb PC disks and 800 Kb Mac disks. The Classic does this task quite nicely, and is easy and cheap to obtain in eBay. Other models that can suit your needs are the Classic II, the SE (make sure it has a SuperDrive!) and the LC series. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Tool for opening a Mac Plus external hard diskquestion...
Stuart Bell ha escrito: At the risk of being accused of advertising, I usually have one on sale Shouldn't the List Nanny say a few things to this member? Ok - I'll better stop joking before someone gets angry with me ;-) . Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Classic II Hard Drive Problem
Keep in mind that the only version of System 6 that a Classic II will run is 6.0.8. And, if you have maxed the RAM to 10 Mb, System 6 will only see 8 Mb because it can't run in 32-bit mode. As the Classic II is a 32-bit clean machine, and its 68030 at 16 Mhz is a lot faster than the original 68000 at 8 Mhz used in the Plus, the SE and the Classic I, I would suggest you to run at least System 7.1 with 32-bit addressing enabled. Of course, with a quick hard drive as yours, System 6.0.8 should fly, starting up almost instantly. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Jesse Candy ha escrito: It's alive! It was the termination. After some internet research, I set the jumper to TE and the drive booted and installed fine. Now I need to wipe it and install system 6. Thanks for the help, Jesse -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Mac Plus - OS 6.0.8 or 7.5.5? Word Processor - Nisus Writer orsomething else?
I would tell you to stay with System 6 if you don't need System 7. I have a Classic I/II (a computer and two swapable logic boards) and also use it for writting (one of my hobbies). I have found that the Classic I running System 6.0.8 not only is a lot faster booting (about eight seconds from the bong to the desktop, so you can write down almost inmediately when you get the inspiration), but also less distracting: even if the Classic II runing 7.6.? doesn't have Internet access, both the OS and the word processor's (ClarisWorks) user interface are more complicated. And typing plain text can be done with almost any tool out there (even MacWrite 1.0 running under System 1.0!). As I said, for creative writting I use System 6.0.8 with MultiFinder enabled and WriteNow 2.0, a very fast and reasonably featured couple. When I need to convert files to and from my main Windows box, I use the RTF format and Word 5.0 via copy-paste - the major drawback of WriteNow 2.0 is that it doesn't support any modern document format, nor plain text. Both WriteNow 2.0 and Word 5.0 run happily under System 6. If you have only 1 Mb of RAM, upgrading to 2.5 Mb or more will make the thing more usable, even if all you want to do is to run a word processor: you will be able to run both WriteNow and Word at the same time (it will ease document conversions a lot!), and will enable you to use a bigger disk cache, which speeds up things a lot (specially with older drives). But I think that if you're looking at OS 7.5.5 you may have the full 4 Mb installed yes, right? If you need any of this software, contact me off-list. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ Andrew McCall ha escrito: Hi Folks, I am currently writing a short story. I originally started writing it using my PowerBook 1400 and Microsoft Word 2001, but once I got my Mac Plus up and running I wondered if it was actually possible to do some real world work on a near 20 year old system. I ended up using System 6.0.8 on one floppy using the internal drive, and Nisus Writer Compact on another floppy using the external drive. I have since found that I am actually more productive using the Plus! I have found there is less to distract me whilst working and I basically get on with the job at hand rather than messing around on the Internet :) Since starting to use it for a purpose I have given the Plus and the external hard disk it came with a good clean up which was discussed in another post to this list... I am now ready to install an OS to the hard disk! As mentioned above, I had been using 6.0.8 on floppy, but now I have a little more room to play with I was wondering if I would be better off installing a slightly newer OS like 7.5.5? I am not too bothered about the speed issues as once a word processor has loaded up I won't be doing anything else. I was thinking of buying the full version of Nisus Writer 6.0.1 as this should run fine, unless anyone here has any better recommendations... So what do people here recommend for a Plus with 4Mb and an 80Mb hard disk - 6.0.8 or 7.5.5? And what Word Processor should I use - Nisus Writer 6.0.1 or something different? Thanks, Andrew McCall -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Tool for opening a Mac Plus external hard diskquestion...
My replies follow quoted texts. Andrew McCall ha escrito: I have done the keyboard, mouse and external floppy on this system and they look as new, the only problem I have now is stripping the main unit. I have seen special tools on eBay for taking the case apart, but right now on ebay.co.uk there isn't any for sale. Does anyone know where I can get one of these tools from in the UK? If you refer to the tool that helps you crack open a compact after removing the scres (which I think you do), you can make your own tool by soldering two old screwdrivers to a big hinge. But I have found that I don't need it - at least with my Classic. I just remove the screws and then place the Classic over the bed with the screen facing down, take the handle, and shake it until the back of the case gets loose. In that positio, all of the weight of the compact is over its front panel, and shaking the back cover will remove it. The system also came with a non-apple 40Gb hard disk that is physically the same size as Mac Plus. I think it is intended to sit underneath the Plus. The case is badly UV bleached and the fan inside has broken. I was thinking of throwing this away and using a newer hard disk and case that wasn't intended to be used with a Plus. Something tells me these hard disks are going to be difficult to get and are probably much sought after items nowadays - is it worth me keeping the hard disk and trying to find a new internal fan, or should I just bin it? Here you have to make a difference between the hard disk (surely a standard 40 Mb SCSI hard disk) and the external drive enclosure (the case that contains it). If the hard disk works, there isn't any reason of throwing it away (40 Mb is a lot of space for use with a System 6 compact Mac!). The external drive box is a different thing. I'd try to replace the fan and keep it, but you can allways throw it and get a new one. If you do that, take into mind that compact-size boxes are rare these days. The most frequent external boxes nowadays are those that are just narrow enough to fit a 5 1/4 device like a CD-ROM, and these boxes won't fit under a compact Mac. If you are unhappy with the case's yellowing, I have read somewhere that sandblasting a damaged case can restore its original color. Some people say also that using the right combination of chemicals can remove the yellowing without damaging the surface, but I can't give more details or even a link :-( . Andrew Nolan ha escrito: get a cheap combination hex driver set, the little torx bits can be joined to a longer phillips head bit using the magnetic sleeve . My set cost $20 AU ($15 US) That's the same solution I found to the problem. I live in a small city where sometimes it's difficult to get what you want, and a long torx-15 screwdriver isn't the most common thing of this world, as anybody on this list knows... Look at http://ajgelado.eresmas.net/shots/torx15/ for more details on how the thing looks :-) . Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/ -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
