Re: Moving to Google Groups
Any one have detailed instructions ready to read? I'm not sure I want my coordinates on a Google account while I may still need a security clearance. What's the difference between a google account and all the other places you've registered, like this list? -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Really easy terminal emulator for a Compact?
4k? You were lucky. I had to fit an entire OS into 16 bytes, four of which were shared with the team next door. And I was only given fifteen ones. And two of them were bent. Bah, I used a slide rule to develop our current product! No bits at all! [The funny thing is, this ain't a tall tale either] -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Really easy terminal emulator for a Compact?
On Jan 24, 2006, at 1:50 AM, Stuart Bell wrote: I can assign any Compact Mac to this task, from 512Kb to SE/30 to Mystic (CC with 575) though colour would be largely wasted for this application! So, any system s/w requirements from around System 4 through to 7.5 or even 8.1 can be accommodated. I was using Finder 1.something when I was using my 128K Mac as a terminal, back in the early '90s. I'll look through my disks and see what terminal program I was using, I think it had a name like Red Rider or something unobvious like that. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Really easy terminal emulator for a Compact?
For a similar situation, I've used my Mac 512 with Red Ryder 9.4. It has VT-52 and VT-100 emulation, I believe. The nice thing is, it fits on a single 400K disk with System 3.2, Finder 5.3, the menu-bar clock, MockWrite, DiskInfo and File Tools! Amazing how much they could pack in so little space...! :-) Sounds like exactly the same setup I used. Unfortunately, I can't find a copy of Red Ryder on the disks I have retained. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Really easy terminal emulator for a Compact?
On Jan 24, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Bob C. wrote: Imagine! 200K = bloatware! Wow, how times have changed! :-) Hey, I had to fit a display editor into the 4k available for buffers in an oilfield control system. It had to fit in the buffer space because that was the biggest bit of actual RAM, instead of ROM, in the system... and I only got that much because I was only run while the control system was down for reconfiguration. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Mac TCP Programming
Yes, that is what is does, I have however since the last post traced the problem to a degree anyway, I put it down to [1] the problem was when I was running through the debugger, and [2] I have no mac UI of any sort as I am using Think C's console (so I can printf and see what is going on), this I believe was not supplying any events so the WaitNextEvent was just sitting there. Pretty much the whole of Mac OS lives in the UI. You can't get mouse and keyboard (or even, I suspect, disk I/O) without WaitNextEvent()ing somewhere. But maybe I misunderstand what Think C's console is. Is it some kind of serial-port console or something? -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Mac TCP Programming
Yes, that is what is does, I have however since the last post traced the problem to a degree anyway, I put it down to [1] the problem was when I was running through the debugger, and [2] I have no mac UI of any sort as I am using Think C's console (so I can printf and see what is going on), this I believe was not supplying any events so the WaitNextEvent was just sitting there. OK, I just caught this. As I understand it, the low-level TCP code is supposed to be generating events that will satisfy WaitNextEvent(). It's possible that the TCP stack is poorly integrated with Mac OS and is using some other signalling mechanism. If that's the case, your socket code probably needs to pick up the slack and provide the necessary glue to feed packets into the event stream by making the sockets into file handles. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Mac TCP Programming
WaitNextEvent() should throw you into the system event loop, you shouldn't have to call SystemTask() or anything else. I'm sure you know this, but just in case... classic Mac OS applications ran in an environment quite unlike any modern multitasking environment. They were more like UNIX kernel processes, and had to explicitly yield the CPU before any action could be taken on their behalf by the OS. Even in the last versions of Mac OS, multitasking was never an invisible undercurrent of activity that only troubles a process when it cares about real-time events or when it has to coordinate itself with another process. But WaitNextEvent (the CPU-friendly version of the original GetNextEvent) should do everything you need... so long as you get to it in time. I don't know what Spin() looks like, but if it's the event handler for your networking code it has to call WaitNextEvent or at least GetNextEvent at least once in every pass through it, and at least once in a while in every long-running loop. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Introducing the Mac SE/3000
On Dec 13, 2005, at 8:31 PM, Dan Wood wrote: With that concept in mind, how hard would it be to core out a iMac Mini, put in an LCD from a POS display (with USB touchscreen!) and cobble the entire thing together using an SE/30 case? http://www.byodkm.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/41/sort/1/cat/502/ page/1 -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Nice piece on System 1 on LEM
http://www.lowendmac.com/conachey/05/1208.html One of the most important features that System 1 had was the ability to overlap windows. This feature wasn't introduced in Windows until version 2.0. Actually, it was implemented in Windows before release, and remained possible in MDI windows. It was removed for two reasons: performance on the PC/XT was so poor, and to avoid legal problems with Apple and Xerox. Ironic, that. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: A few questions
Best price I've found for a PRAM battery was under $5 with free shipping, but that's not coming up on a search now. Try these: http://www.macbattery.com/36voltbattery.html http://store.yahoo.com/scsicable/mac36vollitc.html -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Bounce messages?
Anyone else getting billions of your mail is bouncing messages? Anyone else wondering wty the damn mail server can't (a) figure out it's already sent a bounce and NOT send another one, and (b) send a copy of the bounce message so the poor user getting them can figure out where the bounce might be happening? I know I am. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: User Interface Clarity!
On Jul 16, 2005, at 9:36 PM, NODEraser wrote: Well, it just gets old really fast. The arguments seem kind of irrelevant here, since (hopefully) most everyone on the list is a Mac fan(atic?) anyway. If Mac fanatics aren't willing to hold Apple's feet to the fire when they screw up, who will? -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: User Interface Clarity!
Thank you for clearing this up. Both you and Peter make an excellent case for the attributes Windows held over the Mac. But having used both platforms from 1990 forward, I have to say that the ease of working with the Mac negated any shortcuts Windows may have offered -- FOR ME. I don't think either of us are actually recommending Windows. Little subtle hints in my phrasing... like toxic swamp and rotting tentacles... should have clued you in on that. We're just pointing out that there are some good features in it that Apple would have done well to pay attention to. Besides, even today after 20 years of Mac training and use, I routinely lapse on what I'm doing and use the wrong key combo, sometimes resulting in catastrophe. That's basically the point we're getting at. Apple's keyboard support is much more complex and harder to learn than Microsoft's, because this just doesn't happen on Windows. As for the mouse, remembering what the right and left buttons do is no different than remembering what click and control-click do... because the right button and control-click both have the same function. And on OS X, I wish I could disable control-click and click-and-hold and just use my right mouse button all the time. One quick anecdote has to do with my taking a computer literacy test for a job. It tested my ability to operate Microsoft applications under Windows 98 within a time limit. The thing was, over and over it kept asking me to do complex tasks with keystrokes. Well, first, someone else's badly designed test isn't Microsoft's fault (much as I enjoy blaming Microsoft for everything)... but here's a quick run-through. It's not complete, but it's enough to get the job done on any compliant app: The four most important ones are the same as on the Mac, except tab cycles through ALL controls. Not just input fields. Tab - Select next control. Cursor keys - Select element (radio button, menu item, etc). Space - Activate current control. Return - Activate default control. Escape - undo control (cancel, close menu, etc). Plus: Alt (tap, as a normal key) - Switch to the menu bar. Alt-X (where X is any letter) - Bring up the menu starting with X. Alt-space - Bring up the window control menu (close, move, resize, etc). Alt-Tab - Select next window. Up until Windows 9x, that's about all you needed to know. Windows-9x added a bunch of extra ones for the task bar, like control-escape to bring up the Start menu. Mac seems to continually add that kind of functionality. Users asked for an automatic dump to trash combo, they got it. In fact, OSX has more key commands than I know what to with, even if I cared to use them. And *that* is the problem. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: New Classic II
Peter, Peter, Peter! First, Windows has always had a jerky pointer. They have never fixed it. It sucked then and it sucks now. Frankly, I don't care what else they did right, if moving the pointer bothers me, how can I be expected to be productive with the rest of it. [etc etc etc blah blah] Um, dude, where did I say that Windows was a desirable platform? NO bloody where, that's where. Read for content. Try this quote: The OS under the hood was crap. Does that sound like someone who disagrees with you about the utter stinking abomination that is Windows? All I said was that there were *features* in Windows that I think Apple should have learned from. Like, having a consistent user interface that treated the keyboard as a first-class citizen. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: New Classic II
I was talking about the OS as well. I'm not talking about the OS. I'm talking about the user interface. JUST the user interface. The user interface that Windows uses is based on a set of user interface guidelines developed by IBM, not Microsoft. You're legally allowed (according to the rules of the Microsoft Sucks Authority) to say nice things about the user interface (the way the interface between the OS and the user behaves) without implying that the OS underneath is any less of a steaming mess of rotting tentacles and unexploded nerve bombs. Yeah, I'd say your on top of it as well. I guess my point was that if there is little difference between OS X and other flavors of *nix, the choice would be (IMHO) based mostly, if not entirely, on aesthetics. Um. No. Not at all. Things like I'm actually able to get commercial software for OS X and I don't have to learn a different user interface for every application and I don't have to deal with porting 'all the world's Red Hat' software to FreeBSD just to get a web browser. Actually using Red Hat isn't an option. I've tried that. Having to learn a new OS every time they upgrade (I've used 2.1, 4.1, 6.0, 7.several) is not acceptable. Linux isn't an option, really. I want an OS, not a kernel that's a slow motion explosion of experimental OS design and a hundred unrelated packages flying in formation. Even debian-stable isn't really stable, not in the continental-drift common-source-tree-back-to-1980-when-I-first-worked-on-it sense that BSD is. There's some design flaws in BSD, yes, but they're well understood, I can work around them. Linux? Every time I work on it, it's a different OS altogether. I do software, that's my vocation and avocation, and I simply can't use an OS I can't depend on. That's why I'm using OS X. It's BSD in the blood and bone, and at the same time it's actually got a good enough GUI (for all its faults) that's well integrated enough that lots of people use it. I don't have to scramble for software through Linus' leftovers. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: User Interface (was New Classic II)
OK. I'm just confused then. If the mouse and pointer don't constitute user interface then we have a semantics problem. What do you mean by User Interface? I'm talking about the design of the user interface. Not the implementation. The screwed up scheduler that made the pointer jerky is the implementation. The fact that you can access ANY user interface control through the mouse or the keyboard is design. You talk about the keyboard, but if there was ONE thing I always thought the Mac did properly, it was to incorporate consistent keyboard commands that worked intuitively in every application that followed Apple's guidelines Apple has done a MUCH better job than Microsoft in getting application developers to follow their guidelines, yes. Microsoft didn't even follow their own (and, of course, neither does Apple any more... metal Finder, Steve, what's up with that?), yes. But Microsoft's guidelines really were better. (after all they came built into the ROM toolbox) across the board from 1984 on -- I am constantly amazed that key commands I use under System 1.0 work the same under OSX. For my money the Mac keyboard always traveled first class. Windows on OTOH was always a confusing jumble of right and left mouse clicks, Not for applications that followed the guidelines. Left click was ALWAYS select, right click was ALWAYS menu. CTRL, ALT, SHIFT, CMND, FUNCTION and letter key combos that changed from application to application (and even WITHIN the application!). Um, Apple is at least as bad about this. They have more meta-keys and as many special cases as Windows, and often hide expert settings so you can only see them if you hit command or option (inconsistently) when you click on a menu or open a window. Shift select is supposed to be extend (same as in Windows), Command select is supposed to toggle the selection. Except that in finder shift select sometimes does the same as command select. What cmd-click and opt-click do vary from application to application, even Apple applications. But in Windows, there's no more than half a dozen alt-key and ctrl-key options to learn, and while there's a bunch of CTRL ALT SHIFT things (there's no CMD or FUNCTION key in Windows, by the way, CMD is mac-only and FUNCTION is a laptop hardware abomination that infests both Windows and Macs) you don't NEED them to actually do stuff. For compliant apps, you can ALWAYS get to and operate any control on the original Windows GUI with alt tab space return and the arrow keys. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: New Classic II
And I agree with you on that as well. That's why I don't use Linux anymore (RH 3.x to 5.x was simply murder. So was the migration from AOUT to ELF) But, again, we were discussing interface design and aesthetics. Is there no BSD compliant window manager that is more functional in design than the OS X interface? The window manager in X is not a big enough part of the user interface to really make a difference. On FreeBSD, I used GNUstep. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: New Classic II
I've never actually used the Compact II, but wasn't it kind of a crippled beast? Yeh, I know the SE/30 was a bit crippled too by the ROM, but apart from that I don't know how you could do a better original-style Mac. So... I'm actually interested in why you consider the Compact II better. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: New Classic II
In my opinion, the SE series compacts were BUTT UGLY! Ah, so it comes down to aesthetics. This is obviously a matter of taste. All the compact Macs look pretty similar to my eyes, and the racing stripes on the SE and SE/30 are a pretty standard way of hiding ventilation. But for me the compact line ended when it quit improving. After the SE/30, the Classic and Classic II were more like nostalgic reflections of the original Mac than a successor to the SE/30... none of the compacts had enough expansion capability to really worry about, especially when Apple changed the PDS slot after the SE/30 so new internal expansion devices couldn't be used in it. But going back to a 16-bit data bus was such an appallingly cynical move that I was stunned. What was Apple thinking of? The Color Classic with its welding mask fascia is not even worth talking about. Both the SE and the Classic were houses on a small lot. They have the same floor plan, they have virtually the same design. But for some reason all the doors in the Classic house are half-size... -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: New Classic II
Most computer purchases are aesthetics. Seriously, what is there real difference between 1's and 0's on differing devices? If you believed that, you'd be using Windows. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: New Classic II\
My point exactly. My computer purchases are purely aesthetics, never for function. If Windows was functionally equivalent to Mac OS X (or to any sane operating system) I'd be using it. I don't avoid it because I hate the GUI or anything, in fact I think there's a lot of really good features of the Windows GUI that the Mac should borrow, but because Windows does not actually provide the capabilities I need. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: New Classic II
On Jul 11, 2005, at 8:00 PM, Jack Gallemore wrote: I haven't found a single instance where any Microsoft OS outshone a Mac OS during the aforementioned time period. I'm not talking about apps, I'm talking about the user interface, PARTICULARLY under Windows 3.x. Microsoft provided an extremely consistent and complete user interface that worked well from either the mouse or the keyboard. The OS under the hood was crap, and a lot of individual applications were incompatible, and Windows 9x kicked the legs out from under, but I really found Windows 3.x and NT 3.51 to have a really nice integration between the user interface, the mouse, and the keyboard. Not to belabor a point, but since many flavors of *nix is freely available, why not use something cheaper? I did, up to 2003. I was one of the first developers for what turned into FreeBSD (without which Darwin would have had a lot harder time coming to be): I was the first person able to type make world on 386BSD and have it compile the whole OS and applications from start to finish without erroring out once (and the result became patch kit 24, right before the shift from the name 386BSD to FreeBSD). I don't think anyone managed a complete Linux build in one pass until years later. So, not to belabor the point, I think I'm on top of that stuff. :) Jaguar and a good deal on a Powermac 7500 and a Sonnet G3/400 card got me onto OS X... and it's the best desktop OS bar none. There is no mere second best. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Apple Freeware (Re: Classic II Sound Problem)
On Jun 24, 2005, at 1:31 AM, Darren wrote: I first tried ShapeShifter in 97 or 98, you know now it as Basilisk II. Shareware the eventually freeware for the amiga. I was under the impression that Basilisk II was based on the UAE (Unreliable Amiga Emulator) source tree. Apple should author one but free and Apple don't mix. Free and Apple seem to be mixing pretty well. Look at all the code they've released, most of which is not GPL and some of which isn't based on existing open-source code at all. They've also released all classic Mac OS version through 7.5.3 (excepting 7.1 alone, attempt no landing there). Let's hope that Apple recognizes the faithful veterans of their company and rewards us by supporting OSX Classic environments for all of their earlier systems, not just OS9. Not likely, your more likely to be dependant on the standard emulators as they are now, all have OSX ports as you have found. It's pretty certain that they won't even support Classic on the Intel Macs at all. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Freeware (Re: Classic II Sound Problem)
On Jun 24, 2005, at 6:36 AM, Darren wrote: It's pretty certain that they won't even support Classic on the Intel Macs at all. The emulators around now all work best on ppc, no surprise there - much faster. Classic support will suffer alittle, there is alot for apple to draw on and Rosetta must go a fair distance to do whats claimed which should be good for emulation over all. Rosetta doesn't emulate the hardware down to the devices, it works in cooperation with the application, switching out of the emulation at the system call and possibly framework level. You won't be able to boot OS 9.2.2 under it, so you won't be able to run Classic applications on OS X86 at all: In http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/ universal_binary/universal_binary_exec_a/chapter_7_section_2.html - Rosetta does not run the following: * Applications built for Mac OS 8 or 9 * The Classic environment * Code written specifically for AltiVec * Code that inserts preferences in the System Preferences pane * Applications that require a G4 or G5 processor * Applications that depend on one or more kernel extensions * Kernel extensions * Bundled Java applications or Java applications with JNI libraries that can't be translated -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Classic II Sound Problem
Yet as we all know (though few buyers think of that beforehand), all good things must come to an end... So when your Classic breaks down, and you get to hear that the obsolete little thing can no longer be repaired, all you can do is buy a new one with OS-X. Okay so far, but what about your precious and duly backed up documents, all drawn up in RagTime, which hasn't been compatible with Apple computers for more than a decade? Hold on to your old Mac's ROM and use Basilisk II. http://www.students.uni-mainz.de/bauec002/B2Main.html -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Thanks...and some curiosities
Yesterday I took a 20SC drive apart, expecting to find a 20MB Quantum unit. I was shocked when I saw a big Winchester drive (made by Seagate, who I don't think Apple used as a supplier) sitting in there. Do 20SCs usually have Winchesters in them, or was that some kind of mod? I'll have to crack open my other 20SC case, which I know was already modded at one time because there is an 80MB drive in it. What do you mean by a Winchester? The genuine Winchester drive, IBM model 3030, dates back to before the personal computer and was far too large to fit inside a compact Mac (the largest Winchester drives I've seen had a 14 platter, so the original must have been at least this big). Winchester technology, named after the Winchester drive, is used by all semi-sealed hard drives from the big 14 ones down to the 1 microdrives... including the Quantum Prodrive Apple most commonly used. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Thanks...and some curiosities
On Jun 21, 2005, at 11:30 PM, Scott Baret wrote: By a Winchester I was referring to a unit about the size of a CD-ROM drive--a 5.25 drive. A book I read had called 5.25 drives Winchesters. Perhaps it was as a reference to their size compared to the standard hard drives of today. Nah, the 3.5 and 2.25 and 1 drives are all Winchesters too. Either that was a really old book, and they didn't have 3.5 drives yet, or the author was confused. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Mac 512k/AT MORE
VMWare? Is that like Virtual PC? Sort of, without any actual emulation. It's sort of like a hardware sandbox, where drivers outside the sandbox pretend to be real hardware. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: WMWare and Basilisk (was Re: Mac 512k/AT MORE)
Running VMWare under Windows is the same as running Basilisk under OS X. VMware is not a CPU emulator like Basilisk, SoftWindows, or PearPC. It uses hardware virtualization... memory protection on steroids... to run a native application in a virtual environment that looks to that application like a physically separate machine. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: WMWare and Basilisk (was Re: Mac 512k/AT MORE)
Yes, I know it, and I note it in my mail when I talk about the (im)possibility of running it on PowerPC chips. I was only comparing its uses: the same as you can use Basilisk to run System 7 on a G5, you can use VMWare to run NT 4 or Windows 3.1 on a new world PC which would otherwise be incompatible with it (neither Win 3.1 or NT 4 are compatible with USB devices, Serial ATA hard drives or 5.1 soundcards, which are frequent on modern PCs). The main difference is that so long as it's not competing with another CPU-intensive program (say, another VMware instance) you can get pretty near full native speed execution (especially when the OS you're running is hypervisor-friendly and can cooperate with VMware... alas, Windows isn't). That's a pretty major difference from the kind of hardware emulators Mac users are more familiar with. Other environments like this, albeit with more support from the client OS are Sheepshaver (OS 8 under BeOS), MOL (Mac on Linux), and Blue Box (and maybe Classic, though it provides so much cooperation with the host OS it's somewhere between VMware and Wine). The only one of these I have used is Sheepshaver, and it was actually faster in some ways than OS 8 on bare metal. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Anyone interested in...?
I need to replace the mechanism in an external Apple drive case. It's the original 400K external drive, would one of these physically fit and work? -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Anyone interested in...?
I have an 800k a 1.4mb Ext disk drive, both in excellent condition, in very nice original cases. I already have a newer external drive that works, I want to have one that works AND is in the original shell. It would be nice if it was a working original drive, but an 800k would be fine as well. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: 142 'WARNING!' messages over the past few days :-(
Not enough information to really tell, but I suspect that someone out there has both your email address and the bounce-checking address of the compact macs list on their computer, *and* they're infected with one of the many viruses that takes two random addresses and uses them from the from and to addresses. So the list is interpreting the viruses as bounces. If you seem to be getting virus emails from the compact mac list that's probably it. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Tiger won't connect
4 gibibytes. of operating system and you can't even maintain compatibility for 10 years? I can still run Excel 4 macros with Excel 2001. Take a lesson from Microsoft, Steve. You're right, Microsoft does maintain compatibility above and beyond the call of duty. This is a mixed blessing. On the one hand, you can depend on Windows XP using the same APIs as Windows 3.11. In the other hand, you can depend on Windows XP using the same APIs as Windows 3.11. There are astonishing security flaws that are inherent in some of those APIs and they can't get rid of them. And somenone has to maintain all that code, and make sure that changes in any internal APIs that the external API depends on are fixed in all the special case code. And some of that code is very special indeed... they do things like making sure that the file handle returned for a system call in some obscure circumstance matches an error code because some old program depended on that call failing in those circumstances but it mistakes the returned value for an error code so they can fake it out. And all that extra code increases the chance of a bug, and increases the chance of a bug-fix not being applied all the places it needs to be. And on the gripping hand, they have not always managed to avoid compatibility problems. Especially in dot-zero releases of a new OS. Like Tiger. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Surfing on a Classic II
I have to re catalog my commodore/amiga software, may I send you a list of names of the programs I am refering to offlist? Do you have Tracers, published by Microillusion? -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Display Master-The Photo Tool for Floppy Shots
Heh, I guess it would work in my SE/30. Yeh, I'd love to try a copy. Peter da Silva c/o ABBNM 1601 Industrial Blvd Sugar Land, TX 77478 -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Surfing on a Classic II
No VM cause its not needed That's what Acorn said of RISC OS. They were wrong, too. Uh, yeh, the lack of VM in AmigaOS was and is a problem. TThe reason for it was that the original 68000 didn't support it, and the hooks Commodore put in for it (OPRIVATE and PUBLIC memory) didn't get used by apps properly, so they weren't able to implement it later. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Surfing on a Classic II
Sure, it was expensive, but really, the point was that the OS was pretty much unusable without a hard disk. I know, I used it. It worked but it wasn't pleasant. So the cheap price of the Amiga was illusory: to get it to shine, you needed to spend a lot more than the basic system price. I developed software on an Amiga 1000 with two floppies, and it was fine. Boot up. Load a minimal system into RRD:, reboot into the RAMdisk, now you've got two floppies to use. Running from two floppies I had DMCS, Sculpt-3d, the compiler, and a terminal program all chugging along. It was a FAR more productive environment for me than a 7600/180 running OS 8 or OS 9. More responsive, too, since the OS was inherently multitasking rather than having every application pass control on when it was good-and-ready. Disk I/O was a problem because there were single-threaded botlenecks in the I/O subsystems. They could have multithreaded or maintained a request queue in DOS... but the system got killed before they got that far. This was also a problem in other early microkernels and why the single-server model Mac OS X uses caught on. You can get better response with a pure microkernel but you have to make DAMN sure there's no critical path that can block on a single thread. Yes, an Amiga could do all the cool multitasking and so on running from floppies, but so could a PC if you had the patience of a rock. No, a PC couldn't, not in any PC operating system available in the '80s. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Surfing on a Classic II
Yes, an Amiga could do all the cool multitasking and so on running from floppies, but so could a PC if you had the patience of a rock. No, a PC couldn't, not in any PC operating system available in the '80s. Desqview 386 on a v5/v6 DOS? No, Desqview was a pure round-robin timeslicer. Because it was running multiple virtual DOS environments there was no way for a program to pause when it had no work to do... you ended up busywaiting. Thre's no way you could run a sequencer like DMCS in the background and do anything useful in the foreground. Xenix did pretty well too, under heavy load, but not running from floppies, no. Xenix might have been running on a PC, but it was hardly a PC operating system. :) -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Surfing on a Classic II
Yes, an Amiga could do all the cool multitasking and so on running from floppies, but so could a PC if you had the patience of a rock. No, a PC couldn't, not in any PC operating system available in the '80s. Concurrent CP/M-86, 1982. I've used Concurrent CP/M and MP/M. It was quite impressive, but it was not comparable to the Amiga, or Xenix, or other operating systems designed for multitasking from the ground up. The Achilles Heel of all operating systems are the applications, and C-CP/M and MP/M were no different. That's why Apple blew away the Classic API and created Carbon as a bridge. If they hadn't, OS X would have been OS Eccch. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Surfing on a Classic II
OK I'll type slower for you. You can install programs that will give the amiga virtual VM. You can't, because the API that would have allowed you to usefully take advantage of VM got screwed up by early application developers who didn't use it, so it was never turned into a real VM system. It doesn't have to live in that keyboard shaped box does it, makes having a 3.5 drive and the floppy drive and a cd burner a tad hard SCSI. Just like Macs of the same era. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Surfing on a Classic II
You can't, because the API that would have allowed you to usefully take advantage of VM got screwed up by early application developers who didn't use it, so it was never turned into a real VM system. I beg to differ, the end result is much the same and you have explained it well. There were always problems with the third party programs and I guess it could never be a true VM system even if they worked well, they dont. The problem is that virtually NO software set the PUBLIC and PRIVATE flags correctly on their memory requests, so you STILL have to allocate memory out of a big common pool... you can't track and page private memory for inactive processes because you never know when some inactive memory might be needed by an active program. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Surfing on a Classic II
The thing that makes it satisfying, however, is that it is do-able. From 1987-1991, how many P.C.s have a GUI? And how many of THOSE can email and do a tiny bit of websurfing? Amiga 1000 BAY-BEE. Real time multitasking, concurrent GUI, network file systems, user-mode file systems and drivers, stuff that's PROMISED in Longhorn and brand new in Linux/BSD even, and it was all there in 1985. GOD DAMN YOU, JACK TRAMIEL, GOD DAMN YOU TO HELL! YOU BLEW IT UP! YOU BLEW IT ALL UP! ... all these moments will be lost in time, like tears in the rain. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Surfing on a Classic II
GOD DAMN YOU, JACK TRAMIEL, GOD DAMN YOU TO HELL! YOU BLEW IT UP! YOU BLEW IT ALL UP! Don't hold back Peter, tell us how you really feel... ;-) I feel like Charlton Heston. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Master of sarcasm :-)
I don't know about XP but I ran 2000 on my Toshiba Libretto and it was maxed out at 64M. [Nod] Saw it done played with it. Not quick, though, was it? The pre-MMX Pentium-1 CPU had more to do with that than the low memory. For web browsing with Firefox it was entirely usable. ObOnedownmanship: I managed to get W2K on my Thinkpad 701C Butterfly once, for a laugh. 486DX4/75 with 40MB RAM. Worked... eventually... How did you manage that? Windows 2000 checked for and refused to install on anything less than a Pentium. Some kind of w2kPostFacto hack? -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Master of sarcasm :-)
This is also the exact same baseline RAM requirement for Windows 2000 or Windows XP, the only recent enough versions of Windows to be worth bothering with. (NT4 was OK, but it's 2005: I want power management, I want USB Firewire, I want Plugplay.) I don't know about XP but I ran 2000 on my Toshiba Libretto and it was maxed out at 64M. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Seagate Barracuda
performance and capacity of my Se/30 (still running original drive) but I am worried about the heat from this monster disk, should I be ? Absolutely. Put it in an external SCSI case if you want, but don't put it inside a Compact you want to keep operational. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: HELP!! I'VE LOST MY HARD DRIVE!!
I noticed two comb-like things (jumpers?? Capacitors??) taped to the top of it when I took it out of the enclosure. . . do I have to put them in, and does it matter which slots I put them in? Termination resistors. There will be matching sockets on the drive. One end of the resistor will havd a dot, and one end of each socket will be similarly marked. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Why do you like them?
You are correct, it runs Tru64, Old RH or MDK, all 64-bit. MDK? -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Color Classic DVD
Wait to I install a Mac Mini in my Color Classic (I feel the collective gasp of terror made by the list at the thought of me trying to do this - and the number of queries that will thus flow...) :) There's been a couple of Minis installed in Mac SEs, taking advantage of the horizontal stripes along the front to hide the CDR slot. Don't know of anyone doing a Color Classic yet. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Color Classic DVD
Awesome - have these people shown their work on the net? :) http://www.byodkm.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/46/sort/1/size/medium/cat/502/page/1 -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Why do you like them?
I enjoy firing up the Alpha server running a 64 bit version of NT4, made in 1995 - 8 drive bays 4 scsi buses and services for mac of course. I can still find software for it. :) Microsoft never released a 64-bit version of NT for the Alpha. We have been a DEC/Compaq/HP partner since before the Alpha existed, and we've never got our hands on one... they're all 32-bit, with 32-bit-only APIs. Do you have some non-released software? I'd love to see a copy if you do. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ongoing saga - will this drive fit in a Color Classic
That's a Seagate Barracuda. Great drives, tremendously fast for the time, but I wouldn't put one in a compact Mac. The Barracuda is notorious for extreme heat problems. A friend of mine had one catch fire in his file server when he left the side off. To use one in a 7500 once I had to drill a bunch of holes in the 7500's bezel and install a CPU fan blowing over it to keep it cool. Put one of those bad boys in a Compact Mac and you's just asking for trouble. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: 68 pin SCSI Drive
Thanks so much for your advice. I'm sending the 68 pin SCSI disks back to the seller with a full refund. If anyone can recommend a decent seller of 50 pin scsi HDD - please let me know :) driveguys.com -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: 68 pin SCSI Drive
The seller has suggested he could provide an adaptor. Would this work? Probably. Has anyone used a 68 --- 50 pin SCSI adaptor? I have, with generally good results. I have occasionally had problems going the other way, probably due to incomplete or extra termination on cheap adapters. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Why do you like them?
I just think there's something glorious about a Plus with 1Mb and 2 720k floppies doing GUIs _properly_ Except it didn't. Background windows couldn't update. The Amiga 1000, with 256K or 512K and one 880K floppy, could do that. Macintosh was amazingly good given the shortcomings of the 128K Mac, but they didn't redo the design for more capable boxes, really, until OS X. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Why do you like them?
I have an original IBM PS/2 Model 80-A21 on my LAN, as a server. I have a PDP-11, an ATT UNIX PC (with System V UNIX and a multitasking GUI in 1985), and sundry other old boxes. My oldest box in production is a Compaq Deskpro 386/20e with 10M RAM and a 110 MB hard disk, running FreeBSD and serving as a router, firewall, DNS, and DHCP server. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Why do you like them? Mini
My point exactly. It's very cool, but it is just a box (despite the fact that I have mini envy). The interface (screen, keyboard, mouse)is elsewhere The keyboard and mouse are elsewhere on the 128K Mac, too. :) And, well, the all-in-one design is cute... I still have two of the original Compacts... 128K and an SE/30 running A/UX... and you actually have MORE separate pieces to keep track of with a practical Mac 128: Base unit. Power cord. Mouse. Keyboard. Keyboard cable. External floppy. Floppies. Box to put floppies in. I've had to set up and tear down my 128K Mac, which I used as a portable terminal for many years, far too many times to think of it as simply the box. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Why do you like them?
Because I'm the guy Jobs and Sculley targeted with their marketing and they were right on. The Mac is about lifestyle and freedom to express yourself the way you want -- the power of the individual. The original Compact represents that. The icon endures, because of what it represents. Beyond that, no Mac has ever come close to the same charm of the original. You think? I think the Mini comes pretty damn close. It's such a sweet little box (pet pet pet)... -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Why do you like them?
I like the Compacts, especially the Plus, because they are what started this GUI revolution. I think you misspelled the Xerox Dorado/Dolphin and the Xerox Star Office System. The Mac was briefly amazing, considering what Apple was able to fit into such a small computer, but other systems also inspired by Xerox did a lot more with little more hardware and less money. If it wasn't for the fued between Jack Tramiel and Commodore that managed to torpedo *both* the Atari and Amiga computer lines... I don't do as much with my Compacts as I used to (they're all in the closet at the moment) but I'm not ready to give them up yet. They're just so cool! They're cool, but it took a decade and a half before Apple was able to ship an OS that was worthy of them... but they *could* have run NeXTSTeP on the SE/30. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Why do you like them?
If they hadn't kicked Jobs out in 1985, he might've been inclined to let them do that, but from experience I can tell you that NeXTSTEP really needs a large display. I've got plenty of experience with NeXTSTeP, myself, and also with the UNIX-based clones. The main problem I found with NeXT chewing up space was the NeXT menu. Jobs couldn't use the menu bar, because he didn't want legal hassles with Apple, so he came up with the space-wasting NeXT menu. If they were building NeXTSTeP-compacts at Apple, they could have used a menu bar, and something like the control strip instead of the dock. The GUI didn't exist in a vacuum, it was designed around the hardware they were using and they would have produced something quite different starting with different hardware... but starting with the 68030 they could easily have managed a NeXT-class UNIX-based compact that was quite as peppy as MacOS 7.x, and a lot more robust and reliable. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: What the heck is this?
I'm pretty sure the port on the piggy back is a scsi adapter. Old Sun SparcStations have a 25 pin scsi port on the back of them and the Mac Plus's scsi port has only 25 pins. All my old Sun Sparcstations have high density 50-pin connectors for the SCSI port. Are you thinking of the serial port? -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: What the heck is this?
Yep, you're right. I had to go and take a look at my sparcstation. Here's something interesting though: the back of the Mac Plus has a scsi port that is a DB-25 connector. That was the standard external SCSI port on Macs up through the Beige G3. Luckily Apple's SCSI implementation was slow as hell, so it didn't much matter. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: structure of the disks themselves
Because of this a high density disk which is theoratically two megabytes comes up as merely 1.44 megabytes. There is a certain amount of material wasted. Hmmm? Isn't this because of data redundancy that prevents data loss in case of trouble? (think stuff like parity control, checksums, etc.) It's because of sector formatting. Here's a section of track, full of 1s and 0s: 10101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010 Here's the end of a sector and the beginning of the next: 010101010101011101010110 First, part of that data is the sector header, which uses up a bit of space. Second, part of that data is not data... Those Xes are unused potential bits. Why? because the next time you write a sector the timing may be slightly different and it may end up looking like this: 10101010010101010101011101010110 If the previous sector had started right after it, you'd have just overwritten the sector header and destroyed the sector. On the Amiga, they wrote the entire track in one pass, so you only had to put the inter-sector gap at the end of the track. That gave you 1760K on a 2Mo flippy. You could also drop most of the sector headers by modifying AmigaDOS and get 1920K in a 2Mo floppy, so long as you didn't care that you could only read it on a similarly modified AmigaDOS. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: structure of the disks themselves
On the Amiga, they wrote the entire track in one pass, so you only had to put the inter-sector gap at the end of the track. That gave you 1760K on a 2Mo flippy. You could also drop most of the sector headers by modifying AmigaDOS and get 1920K in a 2Mo floppy, so long as you didn't care that you could only read it on a similarly modified AmigaDOS. Ahh, a Amiga user, maybe well should tell them how the Amiga uses a 880k disk format with its standard internel drive, I thought I just did. :) 880 n 1Mo gives you 1760 in 2 Mo, and 960 in 1 Mo gets you 1920 in 2 Mo. My 1200 is a tad older than yours? I don't have one any more, but I had a low-serial-number A1000, not the first production run (it had EHB mode) but pretty early. My 2 Mo drive was an external. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Macintosh SE/mini ...
http://www.byodkm.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/33 -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: History?
Firstly'tis not mine, but am curious of the history of this...interesting? http://cyan.scarydevil.com/~peter/gates.mov -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Mini...
Young whippersnapper! What about three-color CGA? 8 colors, 3 bits! Luxury! I used the Apple II, which only supported 6 colors in hires, and you could have black, white, or some really odd shades of green and purple... and any given block could only have two unique non-BW colors. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Mini...
Even as a fan of CC-maxing, I have to say that the screen-sixe demands of Mac OS X, and what we do with it, would make such a construction a pretty useless and expensive toy. With the Mac mini's design, you wouldn't need to mod the mini itself. You wouldn't use it that way all the time. 9 800x600 is easily doable, and that's about the same as the 16 Apple Color Monitor that I started using OS X with. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Mini...
think itll work in a CC? You'd need to find a VGA-compatible display that'd fit the hole. Hmmm. A 9 laptop screen inside an original Mac shell, with a Mini Mac hidden in the base... I think that'd work... -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Macintosh Development System
I did what you recommended and received files that are IDENTICAL to what I first downloaded. However, I now have two additional files in the download directory. These additional files have the same file name but without '.sit.bin' at the end and are just about the right size to be disk image files. Sounds like you have your browser set to automatically run helper apps on downloading files. This is a bad idea from a security perspective, and also for the point of view of software archeology... because by the time the local version of stuffit has finished messing about with some download it's too late to do anything about compatibility issues. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Full-screen clock on a Mac Plus
Open the clock DA and maximize it? -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: 01.01
Happy New Year, welcome to 2004 beta 2. *honk* [And next time I get a cold, someone smack me before I go running around outside in sandals before I'm completely well. Idiot.] -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Browser for older macs
A browser on an SE/30 is just on the edge of the impossible. You're probably best off using one of the lynx-based text-only browsers. iCab (http://icab.de/) may be possible, but it will probably want a color screen. Internet Explorer around version 2, or Netscape around version 2 or 3. Again, they may freak out because of the small screen. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: council-cleanup find
Damn, I miss council cleanup. When I was a kid in Sydney I used to pull all kinds of great junk out of there. One year I ended up with about a hundred pounds of working radio tubes from old TVs (which should tell you how long ago this was). -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: VERY IMPORTANT PLEASE
I thought only registered users could send mails ? The folks who run these scams often do them manually, from web cafes, so they are quite willing to sign up for mailing lists if that's what it takes. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: iMac CD-ROM in a compact?
While the manuals refer to the drive as a CD-ROM drive and as an optical drive, looking carefully at the pictures, it seems that the summer 2001 iMac uses what looks like an SCSI drive (at least the data connector has 50 pins, but it doesn't have a power connector - does it receive power through the data cable?), It looks like a standard laptop IDE cable to me. I have a 233 MHz iMac's guts that I'm planning on building an amusing case of some kind around, and I've test-fitted a laptop IDE drive in there... haven't got it to power up yet, though, so I have no idea whether I'm going to have a problem with it. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Fortran interpreter
It doesn't really matter what language you learn to program in to be honest! Well, actually, it does. Some languages make certain techniques more or less impossible, and it's important to learn a variety of languages to get up to speed. Fortran is actually a good language for engineering and physics because of its strong consistency requirements for mathematical operations. Learning the techniques how to program is the important thing, once you know these you can easily switch between languages, although swapping from a procedural language to an OOP one is as big a step as learning to program in the first place. Or from a static to a dynamic, or from an opaque to a reflective one, or from a procedural to a declarative, or from a low level to a high level, or from ... I suppose learning to program in Pascal/C/C++/C#/Java is that you are actually learning a language that you can also use later on, not just the techniques. I thought it was easy to pick up another language? Seriously, the best language to learn on is the one that best illustrates the techniques you're learning at that time. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: What is the best Nubus Video Card?
Uh, Peter, the Thunder Color 30/1600 is a PCI card, not a NuBus card. Bother, yes, you're right. I had a stack of Radius cards, all but this one NuBus, and I forgot this one was the exception. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: What is the best Nubus Video Card?
The best NuBus video cards are the Radius Thunder IV GX series (T IV GX 1152, T IV GX 1360, T IV GX 1600, and Radius Thunder 24/GT) and the Villagetronic Macpicasso 340. Those two have slightly different strengths but are pretty much tied for overall performance. Unfortunately, they're likely to be rare and expensive. I have a Radius Thunder video card, complete in its package with all the media and manuals. I believe it's a Thunder Color 30/1600. I've put it up on the Low End Mac swap list, with no takers, so I'm open to reasonable offers if someone here can make good use of it. It's at work but if the original poster is interested I'll check when I next go in. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: LC 520 to G3
It's from an old Bondi 266 rev b that the analog and monitor both were damaged. I pulled the mobo/drives cage assembly and the power supply, hooked it all up to an external monitor and it booted fine. What's the EXACT wiring you used to get it to boot up without the analog board? I have a set of Bondi guts sans analog board and I can't figure it out. I want to put this one in a picture frame... -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Problems with Formating an Seagate ST32151N with an Apple Macintosh IIci OS7.5/7.6 + Anubis 2.54
First question: can you used any hard drive in this computer successfully? If not, you may have a computer hardware problem. But assuming it's just this drive... 1. Received an Seagate ST32151N from a Supplier that hade already pre-formatted. Technically, all drives a pre-formatted at the factory. Formatting programs don't actually format SCSI or ATA drives, the drive firmware does that. What they do is initialise the partitions and in the case of Macs install a driver that understands their partitioning scheme. Anyway, this is already a bad sign. Don't buy pre-formatted Mac hard drives, because there are formatting programs out there that can force even terminally sick drives to pass quite a lot of testing. Why they have this feature, I don't know: any SCSI drive that shows any uncorrectable hard errors, or otherwise fails to perform, is is almost certainly going to fail for good in the not-too-distant future. I won't say the vendor was trying to scam you, because they may well not understand this point. When I went through this they said these are used drives, you can't expect them to be perfect... no, sorry, disk drives don't work that way... either the firmware can hide any errors, or it's terminal. Get them to replace the drive, and reformat it when it gets in to make sure it's not a bad drive with the uncorrectable defects hidden. Incidentally, the drives I had the problems with were also Seagate Hawks. I wonder if it was the same vendor. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Problems with Formating an Seagate ST32151N with an Apple Macintosh IIci OS7.5/7.6 + Anubis 2.54
Any Ideas of how I can fix this, Assume a New Motherboard ? If you think a IIci is worth fixing, then I nearly think that's your only practical course of action. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Yowser! OS 8.0 on an SE/30
Sounds great, tho'! It's slow. Way slower than it should be: my NeXTstation has a bit faster processor but less RAM, and it doesn't sit there swapping its heart out every time I switch to another window. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Yowser! OS 8.0 on an SE/30
I'm running Apple's UNIX on my SE/30. :) -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Fitting a HP SureStore CD-Writer 6020 to an External Apple CD300 SCSI CD Drive
My experience with HP Surestore products, including 3 CD writers and 14 hard drives, is that the best fit for them is the trash can. Seriously. We purchased 4 hard drives, and after 10 drive failures and replacement under warranty we just quit bothering them. The last of the three CD writers is sitting in my PC, but it doesn't work... I just haven't gotten around to pulling it out and tossing it. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Looking for a Majong like game
Hi all Im actilay wondering what the name is of a game like majong the tile matching game. I used to play it on a classic. Shanghai by Activision? -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Looking for a Majong like game
Following up to myself, I'll bet you can find a game you like from THIS lot, and thanks for reminding me of the game... you inspired me to go hunt and I'll be checking out several of these myself: http://home.halden.net/vkp/vkp/freeware.html -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Excellent 68k site and IRC channel
Live and let live. No LEM list has to be a monopoly provider! ;-) What a coincidence... I've seen a couple of messages recently on the swap list from people looking for Monopoly. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Classic Confusion
found something in a Classic I opened today I never had heard about before: a memory expansion board that is third-party obviously, very simply made and offering the usual two SIMM slots for 1MB Simms, but in the place where the soldered chips of the original are it has four more SIMM slots which in this case are filled with four identical two-chip SIMMs. This used to be real common for PCs, you had schemes where the slots were on opposing sides, or where alternating carriers were extended so they'd clear each other. There were also variants that let you slot multiple 30 pin SIMMs in a 72 pin carrier. the chips says TI-80/ TMS44C256DJ/ EEI 1411 AA which I find confusing, as 4x2x256 equals 2048 which with an 8-bit data path would yield only 256k. Where do I make the mistake? The machine totals 4056k of RAM, so with 1 MB soldered to the mobo and two 1MB SIMMs installed the other four must sum uo to 1MB. Google tells me TMS44C256DJ is 256k x 8. So that's 4x2x256kB or 2MB -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: AppleCD 300 and an SE/30
I would have thought that I wouldn't need the drivers, since I actually want to boot off the device - is that even possible? Holding down Command-Option-Shift-Delete just gives me the question-mark-floppy icon, and no disks other than the HD appear on the desktop of System 7.0 if I boot off the HD, which is currently installed, when I put CDs in. Have you tried cmd-opt-shift-del-3 to boot directly from ID 3? -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: KVM Adapters
The KVM probably asctually stops the current, grounds the device to discharge any static or residual current, then switches it to another device, then switches the current back on. The question is, then, would the S-Video switch boxes do this? -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: KVM Adapters
You can get a ADB to USB converter or you can get a ADB/Mac KVM. They sell them at MicroCenter (you should be able to order it from the web). I got one of those for my lagacy mac. Wouldn't a S-Video switch box work as well? The connections are identical. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Fitting an Yamaha CDR100 Internal SCSI CD-RW to an Apple CD300 casing ?
I have finally found an Yamaha CDR100 internal SCSI CD-RW, but need this to be connected to a Compact Classic Macintosh (SE/30) i have two Apple CD300 Externals CD-ROM Drives, therfore I thought by using one of them for the Yamaha CD writer. Physically, yes it would fit. The Apple drive seems to be slightly longer than most, so there's certainly going to be room. You may need to replace the internal SCSI cable, though. Some Apple drives put their connectors in a different place than usual, and their internal cables are very close to the exact minimum length to reach those connectors. Would It work would this model run with Toast v3 ? You could check the xlr8yourmac database. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: meta-discussion (was RE: Mac Screens)
We know that email clients are flawed in this respect and it's nothing less than mind-boggling that we still don't have a proper support for mailing lists (ie. context-sensitive buttons changing to Reply to list and Reply only to sender when appropriate, with an ability to set defaults PER LIST, not mentioning the integrated list manager/subscriber/unsubscriber/mode changer/archive viewer... but I digress) -- especially considering that email actually predates WWW, and we're not talking months here. A lot of older text-only terminal-mode mail clients had all kinds of capabilities and programmability to deal with lists. Which is one reason a lot of us don't use the newer GUI-based clients. With an older client you DO get options like reply to all, reply to list, and reply to sender... EXCEPT when the list is like Compact Macs and overrides the Reply to line with its own. :-P -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Bad Floppy Drive in an SE/30
Are there any kind of adjustments for the eject mechanism? Perhaps an area I should look for excessive dust bunnies? I've used this machine pretty steady for the last 2 years or so, so the fan may have piled a bunch of poop somewhere it shouldn't be. The mechanism may just be gummed up, yes. It certainly couldn't hurt to pull the drive out and clean it. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Are all ADB Cables created equal?
I'm looking to replace some potentially faulty ADB cables, and I was wondering if there's any difference between, say, a cable you'd attach to the printer or modem port and one you'd use to connect a keyboard. Can you swap one for another? The cable for the printer/modem port is a serial cable, not an ADB cable. Different connector, different number of pins, everything. The ADB cable, however, is identical to a standard 4-pin s-video cable, and you can use a $2.00 s-video cable from your local hardware store if you don't mind it being black instead of beige. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Where can I sell these?
I'm interested in a working SE/30 analog/video board (the vertical one next to the tube). It would be cheaper to just mail the board, and it needs to be one that's not flickering at all... I'm setting up a couple of systems for demonstrations. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Update: 90+ Compact Macs Free or sell
G3 Computers: $100 +S/H What G3 computers do you have? Some are worth well over $100, others are going for $30. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
