Re: [Computer-go] Crazy Stone is back

2018-02-27 Thread fotland
I've been on a forced break from go programming since last August, but I hope 
to get back to it soon.

David

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Rémi Coulom
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Subject: [Computer-go] Crazy Stone is back

Hi,

I have just connected the newest version of Crazy Stone to CGOS. It is based on 
the AlphaZero approach. The "Weights" engine were in fact previous experimental 
versions. CrazyStone-18.03 is using time control and pondering instead of a 
fixed number of evaluations per move. So it should be much stronger than 
Weights_31_3200.

Does anybody know who cronus is? It is _extremely_ strong. Its rating is low 
because it has had only weaker opponents, but it is undefeated so far, except 
for one loss on time, and some losses against other versions of itself. It has 
just won two games in a row against Crazy Stone.

I hope the other strong engines will reconnect, too.

R�mi
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[Computer-go] Crazy Stone is back

2018-02-27 Thread Rémi Coulom
Hi,

I have just connected the newest version of Crazy Stone to CGOS. It is based on 
the AlphaZero approach. The "Weights" engine were in fact previous experimental 
versions. CrazyStone-18.03 is using time control and pondering instead of a 
fixed number of evaluations per move. So it should be much stronger than 
Weights_31_3200.

Does anybody know who cronus is? It is _extremely_ strong. Its rating is low 
because it has had only weaker opponents, but it is undefeated so far, except 
for one loss on time, and some losses against other versions of itself. It has 
just won two games in a row against Crazy Stone.

I hope the other strong engines will reconnect, too.

Rémi
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Re: [Computer-go] Number of Go positions is itself a Go position

2018-02-27 Thread John Tromp
dear David,

> To quote from: http://tromp.github.io/go/legal.html
>
> It should come as no surprise that L19, viewed as a position, is itself
> illegal.
>
> In this absolute form this statement got disproved in my German Go Forum
> article at
> http://www.dgob.de/yabbse/index.php?topic=5935.msg216064#msg216064

My form is not as absolute as you make it out to be. The absolute form would be:

It should come as no surprise that L19, mapped to a position by laying
out the 361 consecutive
trits to a path on the 19x19 grid, and choosing which trit represents
empty, is itself illegal.

That would indeed be a ridiculous claim:-)

> Basically it's using a more natural Hilbert-based curve instead of an
> arbitrary row-wise mapping which doesn't take the topology of the Go-grid
> into account. Let me now if you need any of the details in German
> translated.

The fact that you can describe my mapping simply as "row-wise" shows how it
is quite non-arbitrary. Your Hilbert curve on the contrary can hardly
be described
in a much simpler way than in its full explicit form, betraying its
arbitrariness...

Trotzdem, gratuliere zu deinem legale Kurve!

kind regards,
-John
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[Computer-go] Number of Go positions is itself a Go position

2018-02-27 Thread David Ongaro
To quote from: http://tromp.github.io/go/legal.html

> It should come as no surprise that L19, viewed as a position, is
> itself illegal.

In this absolute form this statement got disproved in my German Go Forum
article at
http://www.dgob.de/yabbse/index.php?topic=5935.msg216064#msg216064

Basically it's using a more natural Hilbert-based curve instead of an
arbitrary row-wise mapping which doesn't take the topology of the
Go-grid into account. Let me now if you need any of the details in
German translated.

David O.


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