Re: [Computer-go] A new ELF OpenGo bot and analysis of historical Go games
Dear Hiroshi, thanks a lot for your explanation! Best regards, Ingo. > Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. Februar 2019 um 23:24 Uhr > Von: "Hiroshi Yamashita" > An: computer-go@computer-go.org > Betreff: Re: [Computer-go] A new ELF OpenGo bot and analysis of historical Go > games > > Hi Ingo, > > > * How strong is the new ELF bot in comparison with Leela-Zero? > > from CGOS BayesElo, new ELF(ELFv2) is about +100 stronger than Leela-Zero. > > Rating Network size(Resnet layers x filters) > LZ_05db_ELFv2_p800 355420x256 > LZ_d13c_ELFv1_p800 353020x224 second release ELF > LZ_62b541_ELF_p800 350020x224 first release ELF > LZ_204_05d1_p400343340x256 latest(2019-02-13) LZ > > p800 means 800 playout/move. > p400 means 800 playout/move. > Leela Zero's playout is half. Because its net size is double. > http://www.yss-aya.com/cgos/19x19/bayes.html > > Thanks, > Hiroshi Yamashita > > On 2019/02/17 1:29, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote: > > Hi Remi, > > thanks you for the link. > > > > A few questions (to all who know something): > > > > * How strong is the new ELF bot in comparison with Leela-Zero? > > > > * How were komi values taken into account when analysing old go games with > > help of ELF? > > > > * How often does ELF propose moves played by AlphaGo (for instance in the > > games > > with Fan Hui, Lee Sedol, and in the sixty games from December 2017)? > > > > * Does ELF understand that the strength of AlphaGo increased from October > > 2015 to May 2017? > > > > Cheers, Ingo. > > ___ > > Computer-go mailing list > > Computer-go@computer-go.org > > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] A new ELF OpenGo bot and analysis of historical Go games
Hi Ingo, * How strong is the new ELF bot in comparison with Leela-Zero? from CGOS BayesElo, new ELF(ELFv2) is about +100 stronger than Leela-Zero. Rating Network size(Resnet layers x filters) LZ_05db_ELFv2_p800 355420x256 LZ_d13c_ELFv1_p800 353020x224 second release ELF LZ_62b541_ELF_p800 350020x224 first release ELF LZ_204_05d1_p400343340x256 latest(2019-02-13) LZ p800 means 800 playout/move. p400 means 800 playout/move. Leela Zero's playout is half. Because its net size is double. http://www.yss-aya.com/cgos/19x19/bayes.html Thanks, Hiroshi Yamashita On 2019/02/17 1:29, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote: Hi Remi, thanks you for the link. A few questions (to all who know something): * How strong is the new ELF bot in comparison with Leela-Zero? * How were komi values taken into account when analysing old go games with help of ELF? * How often does ELF propose moves played by AlphaGo (for instance in the games with Fan Hui, Lee Sedol, and in the sixty games from December 2017)? * Does ELF understand that the strength of AlphaGo increased from October 2015 to May 2017? Cheers, Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
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re: that leela game i posted, it's clearly buggy behavior -- filling in one of its two last eyes, for instance. s. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
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funny leela behavior this morning in a selfplay game (truncated) in case you'd like to see how things can go from time to time (this is with 05d10f27). i thought it might have wider interest because it was so long of a game and because it resulted in such a lopsided score: 641 (B M5) 642 (W A6) 643 (B E10) 644 (W G15) 645 (B E1) 646 (W A4) 647 (B T6) 648 (W F1) 649 (B H4) 650 (W H5) 651 (B T3) 652 (W E1) 653 (B K13) 654 (W G1) 655 (B S4) 656 (W T7) 657 (B P8) 658 (W K4) 659 (B C2) 660 (W J14) 661 (B G14) 662 (W C7) 663 (B L13) 664 (W T6) 665 (B P12) 666 (W pass) 667 (B P3) 668 (W Q12) 669 (B Q19) 670 (W O1) 671 (B F19) 672 (W A8) 673 (B Q11) 674 (W A7) 675 (B G15) 676 (W P1) 677 (B N5) 678 (W P2) 679 (B H12) 680 (W R4) 681 (B R16) 682 (W F2) 683 (B P11) 684 (W B7) 685 (B S5) 686 (W R6) 687 (B S8) 688 (W S6) 689 (B D8) 690 (W Q5) 691 (B H6) 692 (W T5) 693 (B R4) 694 (W R5) 695 (B R11) 696 (W T7) 697 (B Q12) 698 (W T6) 699 (B H5) 700 (W pass) 701 (B M7) 702 (W L7) 703 (B pass) 704 (W pass) Game has ended. Score: B+227.5 Winner: black Uploading game: 5977c5f737a8405fa8f58b737e2e9ea2.sgf for network 05d10f27e549f3d1e34bc449d406fba18014f262d395cd67cec957829ef399df Game data 04cf04f7f7bdcbc3980e769080c28b5742a66302125ab6c0b0090ced1e54a2f7 stored in database s. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] A new ELF OpenGo bot and analysis of historical Go games
"The sudden overall increase in agreement in 2016 also reinforces the belief that the introduction of powerful AI opponents has boosted the skills of professional players. That apparent correlation isn't conclusive — it's possible that humans have gotten markedly better for some other reason — but it's an example of how a system trained to carry out a given task can also provide wide-ranging analysis of a larger domain, both in the present and from a historical perspective. " They are using their go AI to measure the strength of human go players, and use its analysis to 'prove' that copying the moves of AIs has made humans stronger (or at least, quantify this increase in strength). There is a huge bias there. I think this is like asking a fisherman whether chefs who specialize in fish have better cooking skills than chefs who specialize in meat... 2019-02-16 17:49 UTC+01:00, J. van der Steen : > > And most important: > >* Does ELF know the meaning of life? > > On 16/02/2019 17:29, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote: >> Hi Remi, >> thanks you for the link. >> >> A few questions (to all who know something): >> >> * How strong is the new ELF bot in comparison with Leela-Zero? >> >> * How were komi values taken into account when analysing old go games with >> help of ELF? >> >> * How often does ELF propose moves played by AlphaGo (for instance in the >> games >> with Fan Hui, Lee Sedol, and in the sixty games from December 2017)? >> >> * Does ELF understand that the strength of AlphaGo increased from October >> 2015 to May 2017? >> >> Cheers, Ingo. >> ___ >> Computer-go mailing list >> Computer-go@computer-go.org >> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >> > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] CompGo list / gmail broken again? (was Re: A new ELF OpenGo bot and analysis of historical Go games)
It looks like gmail is broken again for this list. I never got Remi's original post (not even in my spam folder). I can only see it in the archive. Erik On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 5:50 PM J. van der Steen wrote: > > And most important: > >* Does ELF know the meaning of life? > > On 16/02/2019 17:29, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote: > > Hi Remi, > > thanks you for the link. > > > > A few questions (to all who know something): > > > > * How strong is the new ELF bot in comparison with Leela-Zero? > > > > * How were komi values taken into account when analysing old go games > with help of ELF? > > > > * How often does ELF propose moves played by AlphaGo (for instance in > the games > > with Fan Hui, Lee Sedol, and in the sixty games from December 2017)? > > > > * Does ELF understand that the strength of AlphaGo increased from > October 2015 to May 2017? > > > > Cheers, Ingo. > > ___ > > Computer-go mailing list > > Computer-go@computer-go.org > > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
