Re: [Computer-go] How about a 39x39 tournament?
Hi all, I would like to see some bot-vs-bot games on 37x37 or 39x39. Von: Erik van der Werf erikvanderw...@gmail.com Personally I think 39x39 is too big. Also, there is a problem with GTP; the protocol does not support boards over 25x25. Some years ago, Gian-Carlo Pascutto had provided a large-board version of Leela. For that he had introduced a natural extension of the sgf board-coordinates. On 37x37, Leela lost clearly to a human 3-kyu, despite having 8 handicap stones. Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] How about a 39x39 tournament?
I have just tested: the KGS client only accept board sizes = 25, unfortunately. But 25x25 worked fine with Crazy Stone. Rémi - Mail original - De: Urban Hafner cont...@urbanhafner.com À: computer-go@computer-go.org Envoyé: Lundi 27 Avril 2015 17:51:19 Objet: Re: [Computer-go] How about a 39x39 tournament? That sounds fun. But we should figure out how KGS implements the coordinates for such large boards. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com wrote: I find that I can create KGS tournaments on sizes of board up to 38x38, but not 39x39 and larger. I will gladly do so if there is enough demand. Nick On 27 April 2015 at 08:03, Ingo Althöfer 3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de wrote: Hi all, I would like to see some bot-vs-bot games on 37x37 or 39x39. Von: Erik van der Werf erikvanderw...@gmail.com Personally I think 39x39 is too big. Also, there is a problem with GTP; the protocol does not support boards over 25x25. Some years ago, Gian-Carlo Pascutto had provided a large-board version of Leela. For that he had introduced a natural extension of the sgf board-coordinates. On 37x37, Leela lost clearly to a human 3-kyu, despite having 8 handicap stones. Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] How about a 39x39 tournament?
I find that I can create KGS tournaments on sizes of board up to 38x38, but not 39x39 and larger. I will gladly do so if there is enough demand. Nick On 27 April 2015 at 08:03, Ingo Althöfer 3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de wrote: Hi all, I would like to see some bot-vs-bot games on 37x37 or 39x39. Von: Erik van der Werf erikvanderw...@gmail.com Personally I think 39x39 is too big. Also, there is a problem with GTP; the protocol does not support boards over 25x25. Some years ago, Gian-Carlo Pascutto had provided a large-board version of Leela. For that he had introduced a natural extension of the sgf board-coordinates. On 37x37, Leela lost clearly to a human 3-kyu, despite having 8 handicap stones. Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] How about a 39x39 tournament?
That sounds fun. But we should figure out how KGS implements the coordinates for such large boards. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com wrote: I find that I can create KGS tournaments on sizes of board up to 38x38, but not 39x39 and larger. I will gladly do so if there is enough demand. Nick On 27 April 2015 at 08:03, Ingo Althöfer 3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de wrote: Hi all, I would like to see some bot-vs-bot games on 37x37 or 39x39. Von: Erik van der Werf erikvanderw...@gmail.com Personally I think 39x39 is too big. Also, there is a problem with GTP; the protocol does not support boards over 25x25. Some years ago, Gian-Carlo Pascutto had provided a large-board version of Leela. For that he had introduced a natural extension of the sgf board-coordinates. On 37x37, Leela lost clearly to a human 3-kyu, despite having 8 handicap stones. Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] How about a 39x39 tournament?
On 27-04-15 09:03, Ingo Althöfer wrote: Some years ago, Gian-Carlo Pascutto had provided a large-board version of Leela. For that he had introduced a natural extension of the sgf board-coordinates. I just followed the official specification, which allows up to 52x52: http://www.red-bean.com/sgf/go.html http://www.red-bean.com/sgf/index.html -- GCP ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] How about a 39x39 tournament?
Hi, I thought it might be fun to have a tournament on a very large board. It might also motivate research into more clever adaptive playouts. Maybe a KGS tournament? What do you think? Rémi ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] How about a 39x39 tournament?
Personally I think 39x39 is too big. Also, there is a problem with GTP; the protocol does not support boards over 25x25. Erik On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 11:26 PM, Petr Baudis pa...@ucw.cz wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 12:17:01PM +0200, remi.cou...@free.fr wrote: Hi, I thought it might be fun to have a tournament on a very large board. It might also motivate research into more clever adaptive playouts. Maybe a KGS tournament? What do you think? That's a cool idea - even though I wonder if 39x39 is maybe too extreme (I guess the motivation is maximum size KGS allows). I think that actually, GNUGo could become stronger than even the top MCTS programs at some point when expanding the board size, but it's hard for me to estimate exactly when - if at 25x25 or at 49x49... Petr Baudis ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] How about a 39x39 tournament?
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 12:17:01PM +0200, remi.cou...@free.fr wrote: Hi, I thought it might be fun to have a tournament on a very large board. It might also motivate research into more clever adaptive playouts. Maybe a KGS tournament? What do you think? That's a cool idea - even though I wonder if 39x39 is maybe too extreme (I guess the motivation is maximum size KGS allows). I think that actually, GNUGo could become stronger than even the top MCTS programs at some point when expanding the board size, but it's hard for me to estimate exactly when - if at 25x25 or at 49x49... Petr Baudis ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] How about a 39x39 tournament?
Hi Remi, Aya can't handle over 19x19, but I'd like to watch that game once. Hiroshi Yamashita - Original Message - From: remi.cou...@free.fr To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 7:17 PM Subject: [Computer-go] How about a 39x39 tournament? Hi, I thought it might be fun to have a tournament on a very large board. It might also motivate research into more clever adaptive playouts. Maybe a KGS tournament? What do you think? Rémi ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
