Re: [Computer-go] Breakthrough: FineArt giving handicap against pro players

[Hideki Kato]

Dear Ingo,

Ingo Althofer: 
:
>Hi Hideki,
>
>thanks for your posting.
>
>> On Yugen-no-ma, Nihonkiin's online Go site, many (mainly 
>> young) professionals have played more than 200 two-hc games 
>> against Zen and its winrate is greater than 70%, AFICR.
>
>Very interesting information, and congratulations
>to Zen's performance.

Thanks.

>* Do you remember when Zen started to give handicaps
>against pro players?

Early December or late November, I remember but due to an 
accident.  HC games were prohibited but a young 
professional could play due to a bug (:-) of the server.  
After that, the manager changed the mind.

>* Is that the "normal" Zen version, or one that is
>specially tuned for handicap games?

Not special.

>> #On even games (more than 2000), its recent winrate is about 
>> 98%.
>
>Having this in mind, it makes indeed sense that
>Zen gives handicap stones.

A professional (director of Japanese national team) told me 
that two hc games are more interesting and exciting to watch 
because Zen plays seriously :).

BTW, the games between Zen and professionals can be watched 
any payed members of Nihonkiin.

Hideki

>Ingo.
>
>PS. When will AlphaGo start giving handicaps against pro players?

In this year, I hope.

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Re: [Computer-go] Breakthrough: FineArt giving handicap against pro players

[Stefan Kaitschick]

Ke Jie sacrificed himself to help the Nihon Kiin get off its high horse. :-)

Congrats on your own results.
>
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Re: [Computer-go] Breakthrough: FineArt giving handicap against pro players

[Ingo Althöfer]

Hi Hideki,

thanks for your posting.

> On Yugen-no-ma, Nihonkiin's online Go site, many (mainly 
> young) professionals have played more than 200 two-hc games 
> against Zen and its winrate is greater than 70%, AFICR.

Very interesting information, and congratulations
to Zen's performance.

* Do you remember when Zen started to give handicaps
against pro players?
* Is that the "normal" Zen version, or one that is
specially tuned for handicap games?

> #On even games (more than 2000), its recent winrate is about 
> 98%.

Having this in mind, it makes indeed sense that
Zen gives handicap stones.

Ingo.

PS. When will AlphaGo start giving handicaps against pro players?
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Re: [Computer-go] Breakthrough: FineArt giving handicap against pro players

[Hideki Kato]

On Yugen-no-ma, Nihonkiin's online Go site, many (mainly 
young) professionals have played more than 200 two-hc games 
against Zen and its winrate is greater than 70%, AFICR.
#On even games (more than 2000), its recent winrate is about 
98%.

Hideki

Ingo Althofer: 
:
>That is the new world:

>Top computer programs are giving handicap to

>(top) professional players!

>

>"We" had the intention to have a handicap setting 

>with DeepZen against a Japanese Pro in the  European 

>Go Congress in July/August 2018, but the Japanese 

>organisation of Professional Go Players did not allow it. 

>

>Now, the Chinese Go scene simply has created facts.

> 

>Ingo.

>

>Von: "Jim O'Flaherty" 

>It's unclear to me who played black with the two handicap stones.  

>Ke Jie or FineArt?

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Re: [Computer-go] Breakthrough: FineArt giving handicap against pro players

[Ingo Althöfer]

That is the new world:
Top computer programs are giving handicap to
(top) professional players!

"We" had the intention to have a handicap setting 
with DeepZen against a Japanese Pro in the  European 
Go Congress in July/August 2018, but the Japanese 
organisation of Professional Go Players did not allow it. 

Now, the Chinese Go scene simply has created facts.
 
Ingo.

Von: "Jim O'Flaherty" 
It's unclear to me who played black with the two handicap stones.  
Ke Jie or FineArt?
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