Re: [Computer-go] Pachi Mailing List
Hi, I want to support Don: Of course it may be nice to have a special mailing list for Pachi programming aspects. Nevertheless people should keep feeling free to post interesting news, questions, comments on Pachi (and Pachi code) here on the list. Sometimes someone may give comments this posting is too special for this computer go mailing list. But, as long as not very many people here utter in the same horn, feel free to share your thoughts, questions, proposals, elaborates. Ingo (who's mind is 370 degrees open). Original-Nachricht Datum: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 23:48:06 +0200 Von: Petr Baudis pa...@ucw.cz An: computer...@computer-go.org Betreff: [Computer-go] Pachi Mailing List Hi! We have set up a separate mailing list for Pachi in order to keep Pachi-specific discussions off the computer-go mailing list, and also help broaden the developer community. Anyone interested in Pachi is welcome to join at: http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/pachi (Also, we have finally set up a real (though simple) homepage for Pachi at http://pachi.or.cz/.) Happy go research, -- Petr Pasky Baudis UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Pachi Mailing List
(Also, we have finally set up a real (though simple) homepage for Pachi at http://pachi.or.cz/.) Happy go research, According to information on Pachi's homepage, Pachi won a 7h game against Zhou Junxun 9p, who is an active 9p player and has won at least one world title. I would say this put Pachi at top amature or beginning pro level. On the other hand, Pachi is around 3d on KGS, which I am not very familar, but I am guessing that it only proves that Pachi is at about median amature level. What's your assessment, and thinkings about this difference (if there is a difference in your assessment)? Best, Fuming ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Pachi Mailing List
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Fuming Wang fuming...@gmail.com wrote: (Also, we have finally set up a real (though simple) homepage for Pachi at http://pachi.or.cz/.) Happy go research, According to information on Pachi's homepage, Pachi won a 7h game against Zhou Junxun 9p, who is an active 9p player and has won at least one world title. I would say this put Pachi at top amature or beginning pro level. On the other hand, Pachi is around 3d on KGS, which I am not very familar, but I am guessing that it only proves that Pachi is at about median amature level. What's your assessment, and thinkings about this difference (if there is a difference in your assessment)? Pro ranks are spaced differently (1p~=7d ,..., 9p ~= 9d). It is not strange for a 3d amateur to win with 7 stones handicap. E. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Pachi Mailing List
Pachi won a 7h game against Zhou Junxun 9p, who is an active 9p player and has won at least one world title. I would say this put Pachi at top amature or beginning pro level. Simplifying: All pros are 9d. The handicap system is not fine grained enough to measure differences at pro level. Any handicap is too much handicap between competitive-level pros. I insist in competitive-level, because the p in pro measures the achievements in the whole career. Just like a Wimbledon winner is a Wimbledon winner for ever, even if he/she is 80 year old. Therefore, the p you get depends or strength, but also: luck, available opponents when you where a the peak of your career, psychological strength to keep focused for many years, etc. So some 9p may be weaker than some 1p, specially if big age differences apply.) So handicap 7 (wins and losses) is consistent with 2d strength, which is the current level of top MCTS programs. Again, oversimplifying. Handicap stones do not add linearly, etc. Jacques. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Pachi Mailing List
7H from a top pro is about right for 2 or 3 dan amateur. A top pro can only give a weak pro about 2 stones. The pro might have been overconfident if he did not play many games against the bot. David From: computer-go-boun...@dvandva.org [mailto:computer-go-boun...@dvandva.org] On Behalf Of Fuming Wang Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 5:59 AM To: computer-go@dvandva.org Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Pachi Mailing List (Also, we have finally set up a real (though simple) homepage for Pachi at http://pachi.or.cz/.) Happy go research, According to information on Pachi's homepage, Pachi won a 7h game against Zhou Junxun 9p, who is an active 9p player and has won at least one world title. I would say this put Pachi at top amature or beginning pro level. On the other hand, Pachi is around 3d on KGS, which I am not very familar, but I am guessing that it only proves that Pachi is at about median amature level. What's your assessment, and thinkings about this difference (if there is a difference in your assessment)? Best, Fuming ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Pachi Mailing List
I would like you to post messages about Pachi to this list. I believe that many others would feel the same. An easy way to allow people to filter quick is by tagging the subject. E.g., (Pachi) on the subject line would let people know that the post is specific to Pachi. Brian -Original Message- From: computer-go-boun...@dvandva.org [mailto:computer-go-boun...@dvandva.org] On Behalf Of Petr Baudis Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 5:48 PM To: computer...@computer-go.org Subject: [Computer-go] Pachi Mailing List Hi! We have set up a separate mailing list for Pachi in order to keep Pachi-specific discussions off the computer-go mailing list, and also help broaden the developer community. Anyone interested in Pachi is welcome to join at: http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/pachi (Also, we have finally set up a real (though simple) homepage for Pachi at http://pachi.or.cz/.) Happy go research, -- Petr Pasky Baudis UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Pachi Mailing List
Of course it may be nice to have a special mailing list for Pachi programming aspects. Nevertheless people should keep feeling free to post interesting news, questions, comments on Pachi (and Pachi code) here on the list. On this theme, a reminder that Fuego [1] and GnuGo [2] also have development mailing lists. The Fuego one is more active than GnuGo, but computer-go is more active than both. It is easy to subscribe to all these lists and have them all feed to your computer-go folder if you really want to follow the gory details of all go projects and pretend it is all one big list ;-) Darren [1]: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fuego-devel [2]: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnugo/mailing_lists.html -- Darren Cook, Software Researcher/Developer http://dcook.org/work/ (About me and my work) http://dcook.org/blogs.html (My blogs and articles) ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Pachi Mailing List
Put the interesting stuff here, the boring and mundane details of development on the pachi list. Use good judgement to decide which.This is a computer go mailing list so you cannot go too far wrong if it is of general interest. On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Darren Cook dar...@dcook.org wrote: Of course it may be nice to have a special mailing list for Pachi programming aspects. Nevertheless people should keep feeling free to post interesting news, questions, comments on Pachi (and Pachi code) here on the list. On this theme, a reminder that Fuego [1] and GnuGo [2] also have development mailing lists. The Fuego one is more active than GnuGo, but computer-go is more active than both. It is easy to subscribe to all these lists and have them all feed to your computer-go folder if you really want to follow the gory details of all go projects and pretend it is all one big list ;-) Darren [1]: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fuego-devel [2]: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnugo/mailing_lists.html -- Darren Cook, Software Researcher/Developer http://dcook.org/work/ (About me and my work) http://dcook.org/blogs.html (My blogs and articles) ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
