Re: [Computer-go] CrazyStone in the 5-dan footsteps of Zen
(2012/01/11 5:19), Jean-loup Gailly wrote: I know the Zen author occasionally logs in as the bot and censors people who abuse the bot. I do this too for pachi2. But it's a real pain to maintain the censor list. My list currently has 147 accounts (probably representing much fewer distinct persons). I did that for only one account, who was an obvious sandbagger. -- Yamato ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] CrazyStone in the 5-dan footsteps of Zen
Thanks Jouni for buying Crazy Stone. And yes, Don, there is an Android version. All the many versions of Crazy Stone are listed on its web page: http://remi.coulom.free.fr/CrazyStone/ Chinese versions coming soon. Rémi On 10 janv. 2012, at 23:48, Don Dailey wrote: Is there an Android version for my tablet? Don ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] CrazyStone in the 5-dan footsteps of Zen
Dear Yamato, On 11/01/2012 07:28, Yamato wrote: (2012/01/11 5:19), Jean-loup Gailly wrote: I know the Zen author occasionally logs in as the bot and censors people who abuse the bot. I do this too for pachi2. But it's a real pain to maintain the censor list. My list currently has 147 accounts (probably representing much fewer distinct persons). I did that for only one account, who was an obvious sandbagger. Your censoring of an obvious sandbagger was good. In future, when you have clear evidence of sandbagging, I hope you will report it to me or to another KGS admin. We believe that sandbaggers weaken the KGS rating system, and when we are aware of them we remove their ratings, so that all their games are ignored for rating purposes. A KGS player who was resigning against Aya in won positions, and beating Zen and CrazyStone, recently had his rating removed. Nick -- Nick Wedd n...@maproom.co.uk ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Announce: GoBet II
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.comwrote: Wow, this is great. I believe it is the greatest gobot challenge game since gobots learned to beat pros at 9×9 board. Does we have Tromp's blitz games against CS and ZenD for a reference? I think that the most interesting thing will be, who really will benefit more for the longer thinking times. The gobot or human? Eight times more playouts versus human's inability to decide?! The human will benefit more from the additional playing time, this principle I almost consider an axiom when comparing computer to human in games. If humans have an inability to decide (which I dispute) than granting additional thinking time is not going to be a handicap to a human player, it will only enhance the decision making process. It will be an interesting match. On paper I think the program is stronger, but I don't have a lot of confidence at this point for the program. I give John Tromp the better chances, especially with these longer time controls. Don —Jouni On Jan 11, 2012 1:55 AM, Darren Cook dar...@dcook.org wrote: announce style=boxing matchThe Bet Is Back and its Bigger and Better Than Ever./announce Many of you followed the Go Bet event in London at the end of 2010, where John Tromp triumphed and I was forced to hand over the $1000. Now it is time to see if the bots have improved in the past 12 months, as John will play another match with a computer program. When: During January 2012 (exactly when will be announced soon) Where: On KGS Format: Best-of-5 (first to three wins) Rules: Chinese, 7.5pt komi Time: 90 minutes each, with byo-yomi of 25 stones per 10 minutes Hardware: (to be announced) Yamato, the author of Zen, was reluctant to take part a year ago, unsure of the outcome. Well, this year he has agreed to take part. A sign the machines have improved... or just over-confidence? Darren P.S. The match is online this time, and there is no wager, so my only involvement is the publicity :-) -- Darren Cook, Software Researcher/Developer http://dcook.org/work/ (About me and my work) http://dcook.org/blogs.html (My blogs and articles) ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] CrazyStone in the 5-dan footsteps of Zen
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:39 AM, Rémi Coulom remi.cou...@free.fr wrote: Thanks Jouni for buying Crazy Stone. And yes, Don, there is an Android version. Thanks, I found it on the Android Market and purchased my copy. Someone complained that it does not play as well on the Android as it does on a 24 core computer. Is that true? What a disappointment! I laughed out loud when I saw that. Anyway, I am happy with it. Don All the many versions of Crazy Stone are listed on its web page: http://remi.coulom.free.fr/CrazyStone/ Chinese versions coming soon. Rémi On 10 janv. 2012, at 23:48, Don Dailey wrote: Is there an Android version for my tablet? Don ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] CrazyStone in the 5-dan footsteps of Zen
Hi, On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 15:07, Don Dailey dailey@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, I found it on the Android Market and purchased my copy. I just did that too (especially since it's on sale at only €2,99), and one thing that I'm not happy about is that when a game is finished, there is no way to contest the scoring done by the program. It's annoying when one doesn't get the medal one deserves because a dead group was marked as alive :-) regards, Vlad ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] CrazyStone in the 5-dan footsteps of Zen
Hi Vlad, Sorry for your medal. I don't do the UI stuff, but I'll forward your remark to Unbalance. Or if you can send the position with the wrong scoring to me, I'll try to make CS score it correctly. Rémi On 11 janv. 2012, at 15:24, Vlad Dumitrescu wrote: Hi, On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 15:07, Don Dailey dailey@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, I found it on the Android Market and purchased my copy. I just did that too (especially since it's on sale at only €2,99), and one thing that I'm not happy about is that when a game is finished, there is no way to contest the scoring done by the program. It's annoying when one doesn't get the medal one deserves because a dead group was marked as alive :-) regards, Vlad ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Announce: GoBet II
do you know what hardware Zen will be using? I would give Zen19 an 80% chance and Zen19D a 95% chance of winning. Unless you get saved by a rare bug, to beat Zen you need to outplay Zen in the fuseki. But for that it usually takes at least 4d strength. some tips for the underdog: contest zen for influence in the opening(even Aja has trouble winning with two 3-3 points), but go along, if it overpays to get the influence anyways. After Zen started to invest, be prepared for it to take extreme measures to finish closing off the center - that's why its good to have safe groups, it makes it easier to spoil the center. Remember that Zen is especially good at harassing several weak groups in the center at once. When Zen is a little short at the beginning of the endgame, your chances are good. It will switch into bully mode, losing points if you answer correctly. Otoh, you almost lost when Zen is slightly ahead in the endgame, unless there is some large eye semeai it misinterprets. Stefan On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Darren Cook dar...@dcook.org wrote: announce style=boxing matchThe Bet Is Back and its Bigger and Better Than Ever./announce Many of you followed the Go Bet event in London at the end of 2010, where John Tromp triumphed and I was forced to hand over the $1000. Now it is time to see if the bots have improved in the past 12 months, as John will play another match with a computer program. When: During January 2012 (exactly when will be announced soon) Where: On KGS Format: Best-of-5 (first to three wins) Rules: Chinese, 7.5pt komi Time: 90 minutes each, with byo-yomi of 25 stones per 10 minutes Hardware: (to be announced) Yamato, the author of Zen, was reluctant to take part a year ago, unsure of the outcome. Well, this year he has agreed to take part. A sign the machines have improved... or just over-confidence? Darren P.S. The match is online this time, and there is no wager, so my only involvement is the publicity :-) -- Darren Cook, Software Researcher/Developer http://dcook.org/work/ (About me and my work) http://dcook.org/blogs.html (My blogs and articles) ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] CrazyStone in the 5-dan footsteps of Zen
Hi Rémi, On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 16:28, Rémi Coulom remi.cou...@free.fr wrote: Sorry for your medal. I don't do the UI stuff, but I'll forward your remark to Unbalance. Or if you can send the position with the wrong scoring to me, I'll try to make CS score it correctly. It's not a problem for me, but thought it would be a simple improvement. I don't have the position, but it was a semeai where CS's dead group had a square of four in the corner but not enough liberties overall to make a seki. And since the counting seems to be Japanese (since prisoners are deducted), I would have lost points by capturing the group effectively. regards, Vlad ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] CrazyStone in the 5-dan footsteps of Zen
Hi Vlad, Do you mean the case in the attached example semeai_scoring.sgf? In a seki of a dead group with a square of four, the other side must have a big eye as well. The bottom-right corner is such an example, where it's all White's territory. In the bottom-left corner. It can't be a seki. Best regards, Aja -原始郵件- From: Vlad Dumitrescu Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:11 AM To: computer-go@dvandva.org Subject: Re: [Computer-go] CrazyStone in the 5-dan footsteps of Zen Hi Rémi, On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 16:28, Rémi Coulom remi.cou...@free.fr wrote: Sorry for your medal. I don't do the UI stuff, but I'll forward your remark to Unbalance. Or if you can send the position with the wrong scoring to me, I'll try to make CS score it correctly. It's not a problem for me, but thought it would be a simple improvement. I don't have the position, but it was a semeai where CS's dead group had a square of four in the corner but not enough liberties overall to make a seki. And since the counting seems to be Japanese (since prisoners are deducted), I would have lost points by capturing the group effectively. regards, Vlad ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go semeai_scoring.sgf Description: application/go-sgf ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Announce: GoBet II
The details on the GoBet II match have now been finalized. It will start this Friday evening (in U.S.; Saturday morning in Japan). When: During January 2012 (exactly when will be announced soon) New York time (for John): Fri, Jan 13, 8pm Sat, Jan 14, 8pm Sun, Jan 15, 8pm Mon, Jan 16, 8pm #If 2-1 Wed, Jan 18, 8pm #If 2-2 Japan time (for Zen, also for Darren): Sat, Jan 14, 10am Sun, Jan 15, 10am Mon, Jan 16, 10am Tue, Jan 17, 10am#If 2-1 Thu, Jan 19, 10am#If 2-2 (UTC times for each game is 1am (on same date as the Japan times), so not good for those in Europe, sorry) Hardware: (to be announced) KGS Account Name for Zen: Zen19N Operator: Hideki Kato Hardware: a dual 6-core Xeon X5680 (over-clocked to 4.2Ghz) With the over-clocking, this hardware is slightly more than twice as fast as the Amazon EC2 instance used for the London go bet. (Six to seven times faster than the notebook used for the first two games in that match.) (A doubling in 12 months is a bit ahead of Moore's Law; but we were underpowered last year, relative to what I had hoped to use.) Hardware cost estimate: 350,000 yen (about US$4375 currently) Fascinating Trivia: John claims not to be worried about starting the match on Friday The Thirteenth, as he was born on one! Darren -- Darren Cook, Software Researcher/Developer http://dcook.org/work/ (About me and my work) http://dcook.org/blogs.html (My blogs and articles) ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
