Re: [Computer-go] [O-T] Arimaa
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 11:22 PM, David Fotland fotl...@smart-games.com wrote: Both are hard. I worked hard on Bomb the first year or two since I thought the best chance to beat a person was before people developed expertise. I published the algorithms I used for Arimaa in Bomb. The paper should be on-line somewhere. Oh yes, I had already read the paper. Thanks for contributing it - it's definitely one of the main references for anyone interested in writing an Arimaa program. Do you think you'll come back to working on your program at some point? David -Original Message- From: computer-go-boun...@dvandva.org [mailto:computer-go- boun...@dvandva.org] On Behalf Of Peter McKenzie Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:25 AM To: computer-go@dvandva.org Subject: Re: [Computer-go] [O-T] Arimaa Hi Joshua, I learnt to play Arimaa a few days ago and started by playing some games against the Android program. I then joined up ariima.com (handle is 'petermck') and have been working my way through the bot ladder. It's quite an interesting and addictive game! It certainly looks like a fascinating programming challenge. I've started tinkering with some Arimaa code but who knows if I'll have time to turn it into a fully fledged bot... I wonder whether computers will overtake humans in Arimaa or Go first? cheers, Peter On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 11:52 PM, Joshua Shriver jshri...@gmail.com wrote: Curious has anyone else here been infected with the Arimaa bug? I'm an avid chess guy, as well as Go. Hence why I'm here :) But from a playing point of view, I find myself playing Arimaa so much more, and anxious to develop for it. -Josh ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] [O-T] Arimaa
I barely have enough time to work on computer go, so arimaa will be untouched probably until I retire or at least switch to working part time. David -Original Message- From: computer-go-boun...@dvandva.org [mailto:computer-go- boun...@dvandva.org] On Behalf Of Peter McKenzie Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 8:54 AM To: computer-go@dvandva.org Subject: Re: [Computer-go] [O-T] Arimaa On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 11:22 PM, David Fotland fotland@smart- games.com wrote: Both are hard. I worked hard on Bomb the first year or two since I thought the best chance to beat a person was before people developed expertise. I published the algorithms I used for Arimaa in Bomb. The paper should be on-line somewhere. Oh yes, I had already read the paper. Thanks for contributing it - it's definitely one of the main references for anyone interested in writing an Arimaa program. Do you think you'll come back to working on your program at some point? David -Original Message- From: computer-go-boun...@dvandva.org [mailto:computer-go- boun...@dvandva.org] On Behalf Of Peter McKenzie Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:25 AM To: computer-go@dvandva.org Subject: Re: [Computer-go] [O-T] Arimaa Hi Joshua, I learnt to play Arimaa a few days ago and started by playing some games against the Android program. I then joined up ariima.com (handle is 'petermck') and have been working my way through the bot ladder. It's quite an interesting and addictive game! It certainly looks like a fascinating programming challenge. I've started tinkering with some Arimaa code but who knows if I'll have time to turn it into a fully fledged bot... I wonder whether computers will overtake humans in Arimaa or Go first? cheers, Peter On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 11:52 PM, Joshua Shriver jshri...@gmail.com wrote: Curious has anyone else here been infected with the Arimaa bug? I'm an avid chess guy, as well as Go. Hence why I'm here :) But from a playing point of view, I find myself playing Arimaa so much more, and anxious to develop for it. -Josh ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] [O-T] Arimaa
I think both are too fat for truly analytical answer. But number of people working in computer go vs arimaa and number of people playing the two games indicates that Go would be the 1st to have computer beating top humans. Last time I logged in into arimaa server there were 11 people there. Drawing from such a shallow talent pool coming up with good ideas will take huge time. And I do not think Arimaa has chance. It lacks the violent nature chess nor is strategy as subtle as in Go - not to mention violent nature of Go which in my games usually happens the wrong way around. And most importantly if I want to play I can easily find someone to play chess with me, with bit of trouble i would find someone to play Go but for Arimaa... I would need to teach rules to someone. And in in these games competitive factor is huge, no competition id there is no one to compete with. PP ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] [O-T] Arimaa
As a player and observer of both (but not someone who has done game programming) it's very hard to say. The big wildcard for Arimaa is that we don't know how good humans can be, since the game is so unexplored. However, I think the current breed of Arimaa bots have a slim chance against the current best humans--taking a game against the top three is unlikely ( 10% win rate), but not quite impossible (as opposed to Go, where it seems effectively impossible until the engines gain at least a stone). On Feb 22, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Petri Pitkanen petri.t.pitka...@gmail.com wrote: I think both are too fat for truly analytical answer. But number of people working in computer go vs arimaa and number of people playing the two games indicates that Go would be the 1st to have computer beating top humans. Last time I logged in into arimaa server there were 11 people there. Drawing from such a shallow talent pool coming up with good ideas will take huge time. And I do not think Arimaa has chance. It lacks the violent nature chess nor is strategy as subtle as in Go - not to mention violent nature of Go which in my games usually happens the wrong way around. And most importantly if I want to play I can easily find someone to play chess with me, with bit of trouble i would find someone to play Go but for Arimaa... I would need to teach rules to someone. And in in these games competitive factor is huge, no competition id there is no one to compete with. PP ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] [O-T] Arimaa
Hi Joshua, I learnt to play Arimaa a few days ago and started by playing some games against the Android program. I then joined up ariima.com (handle is 'petermck') and have been working my way through the bot ladder. It's quite an interesting and addictive game! It certainly looks like a fascinating programming challenge. I've started tinkering with some Arimaa code but who knows if I'll have time to turn it into a fully fledged bot... I wonder whether computers will overtake humans in Arimaa or Go first? cheers, Peter On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 11:52 PM, Joshua Shriver jshri...@gmail.com wrote: Curious has anyone else here been infected with the Arimaa bug? I'm an avid chess guy, as well as Go. Hence why I'm here :) But from a playing point of view, I find myself playing Arimaa so much more, and anxious to develop for it. -Josh ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] [O-T] Arimaa
Both are hard. I worked hard on Bomb the first year or two since I thought the best chance to beat a person was before people developed expertise. I published the algorithms I used for Arimaa in Bomb. The paper should be on-line somewhere. David -Original Message- From: computer-go-boun...@dvandva.org [mailto:computer-go- boun...@dvandva.org] On Behalf Of Peter McKenzie Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:25 AM To: computer-go@dvandva.org Subject: Re: [Computer-go] [O-T] Arimaa Hi Joshua, I learnt to play Arimaa a few days ago and started by playing some games against the Android program. I then joined up ariima.com (handle is 'petermck') and have been working my way through the bot ladder. It's quite an interesting and addictive game! It certainly looks like a fascinating programming challenge. I've started tinkering with some Arimaa code but who knows if I'll have time to turn it into a fully fledged bot... I wonder whether computers will overtake humans in Arimaa or Go first? cheers, Peter On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 11:52 PM, Joshua Shriver jshri...@gmail.com wrote: Curious has anyone else here been infected with the Arimaa bug? I'm an avid chess guy, as well as Go. Hence why I'm here :) But from a playing point of view, I find myself playing Arimaa so much more, and anxious to develop for it. -Josh ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] [O-T] Arimaa
Curious has anyone else here been infected with the Arimaa bug? I'm an avid chess guy, as well as Go. Hence why I'm here :) But from a playing point of view, I find myself playing Arimaa so much more, and anxious to develop for it. -Josh ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
