[Computer-go] Japanese rules in KGS tournaments

2013-02-23 Thread Petr Baudis
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 07:37:35PM +0100, Erik van der Werf wrote:
 On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 5:18 AM, Martin Mueller mmuel...@ualberta.ca wrote:
 ...
  Do people consider this a solved problem?
 
 I do.
 
 BTW I think it would be nice to have some kgs tournaments with
 Japanese rules; good for testing, and it might even make 9x9 a bit
 more interesting...

I second that idea. Having tournaments with Chinese rules by default
is friendly to Computer Go beginners, but having a Japanese rules
tournament once in a while would be nice to help weed out any bugs
(and assess how often some corner cases actually happen :-), especially
considering that some important non-KGS tournaments have Japanese rules.

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Re: [Computer-go] Japanese rules in KGS tournaments

2013-02-23 Thread Don Dailey
Yes,  it would be good to put the Japanese scoring to the test and nothing
does this better than a tournament.

Don


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Petr Baudis pa...@ucw.cz wrote:

 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 07:37:35PM +0100, Erik van der Werf wrote:
  On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 5:18 AM, Martin Mueller mmuel...@ualberta.ca
 wrote:
  ...
   Do people consider this a solved problem?
 
  I do.
 
  BTW I think it would be nice to have some kgs tournaments with
  Japanese rules; good for testing, and it might even make 9x9 a bit
  more interesting...

 I second that idea. Having tournaments with Chinese rules by default
 is friendly to Computer Go beginners, but having a Japanese rules
 tournament once in a while would be nice to help weed out any bugs
 (and assess how often some corner cases actually happen :-), especially
 considering that some important non-KGS tournaments have Japanese rules.

 --
 Petr Pasky Baudis
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 simple, and wrong.  -- H. L. Mencken
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Re: [Computer-go] Japanese rules in KGS tournaments

2013-02-23 Thread ds
If my version of the gtp protocol is the latest, there is no command for
scoring (it is in the missing feature section).

Should we try to extend the specification?

Detlef

Am Samstag, den 23.02.2013, 13:50 -0500 schrieb Don Dailey:
 Yes,  it would be good to put the Japanese scoring to the test and
 nothing does this better than a tournament.
 
 
 Don
 
 
 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Petr Baudis pa...@ucw.cz wrote:
 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 07:37:35PM +0100, Erik van der Werf
 wrote:
  On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 5:18 AM, Martin Mueller
 mmuel...@ualberta.ca wrote:
  ...
   Do people consider this a solved problem?
 
  I do.
 
  BTW I think it would be nice to have some kgs tournaments
 with
  Japanese rules; good for testing, and it might even make 9x9
 a bit
  more interesting...
 
 I second that idea. Having tournaments with Chinese rules by
 default
 is friendly to Computer Go beginners, but having a Japanese
 rules
 tournament once in a while would be nice to help weed out any
 bugs
 (and assess how often some corner cases actually happen :-),
 especially
 considering that some important non-KGS tournaments have
 Japanese rules.
 
 --
 Petr Pasky Baudis
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 clear,
 simple, and wrong.  -- H. L. Mencken
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Re: [Computer-go] Japanese rules in KGS tournaments

2013-02-23 Thread Aja Huang
A command something like

rule_set japanese

might be good. Other rule sets such as Ing and AGA are also popular, see

http://senseis.xmp.net/?RulesOfGo

Aja

2013/2/23 ds d...@physik.de

 If my version of the gtp protocol is the latest, there is no command for
 scoring (it is in the missing feature section).

 Should we try to extend the specification?

 Detlef

 Am Samstag, den 23.02.2013, 13:50 -0500 schrieb Don Dailey:
  Yes,  it would be good to put the Japanese scoring to the test and
  nothing does this better than a tournament.
 
 
  Don
 
 
  On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Petr Baudis pa...@ucw.cz wrote:
  On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 07:37:35PM +0100, Erik van der Werf
  wrote:
   On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 5:18 AM, Martin Mueller
  mmuel...@ualberta.ca wrote:
   ...
Do people consider this a solved problem?
  
   I do.
  
   BTW I think it would be nice to have some kgs tournaments
  with
   Japanese rules; good for testing, and it might even make 9x9
  a bit
   more interesting...
 
  I second that idea. Having tournaments with Chinese rules by
  default
  is friendly to Computer Go beginners, but having a Japanese
  rules
  tournament once in a while would be nice to help weed out any
  bugs
  (and assess how often some corner cases actually happen :-),
  especially
  considering that some important non-KGS tournaments have
  Japanese rules.
 
  --
  Petr Pasky Baudis
  For every complex problem there is an answer that is
  clear,
  simple, and wrong.  -- H. L. Mencken
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