Re: [Cooker] Where did /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so go?
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 06:49, Salane King wrote: On Tuesday 18 November 2003 11:55 am, Per Lindström wrote: When I try to compile themes for KDE I'm being told that /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so is missing. I have been fighting this one for a while. Reinstall the RPMS. Reason is that you probably run NVIDIA drivers. NVIDIA install moves them out of the way for some reason. You probably want to link against NVidia's GLX library, in that case. I really wish they would open the code for this monster. I'm currently back to the nv.o driver on my main box because the nvidia.o driver crashes several times a day (nForce2-based MSI mobo). At least we have an alternative, and it looks like we're having a real (Open) alternative for their LAN driver as well. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] User says MDK 9.2 is a backward step and requests features
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:12, Alberto Ridolfi wrote: Finally, can you go back to the old x-windows signon window. With the new one, you can only login for users that are on the list. The old one also allowed you to enter the user's name. Translation: I prefer real KDM to MdkKDM. I agree with him. MdkKDM looks like a false trail. Cheers; Leon
[Cooker] [PROPOSAL] Add QA link to all front pages
Quite a common report I get from users is I don't know where to report bugs. An easy way to fix this would be a report bugs link to qa.mandrakesoft.com in the banner which adorns all Mandrake sites, and on the local welcome-to-mandrake page. Cheers; Leon
[Cooker] 9.2 installer slackness
I upgraded a 9.1 system (which had been powered off while running, so had partitions marked as unclean) to 9.2 but the installer did not see the 9.1 system at all until I created the device nodes by hand and e2fsck'ed the / partition. The installer *should* (IMESHO) offer to check existing partitions before deciding about upgrades if it finds any partitions flagged as having errors, and *should* have another checkbox offering to do same and try again from the upgrade screen even if an existing system is discovered (there might be more) but there are unclean partitions remaining. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Orphan files ?
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:24, Frank Griffin wrote: The latest example is /usr/bin/update-menus. $ rpm -qf /usr/bin/update-menus menu-2.1.5-123mdk $ Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Orphan files ?
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:13, Frank Griffin wrote: It appears that I have a /usr/bin/update-menus without having the menus package installed. I've also got the man page. Try this: rm -vf /var/lib/rpm/__db.00* rpm --rebuilddb Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Orphan files ?
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:49, Frank Griffin wrote: Leon Brooks wrote: Try this: rm -vf /var/lib/rpm/__db.00* rpm --rebuilddb I'll be happy to, but one of the reasons to post this was to see if anybody wanted a snapshot of the existing files that seem to cause urpmi to recognize that the package is installed but neither urpmf nor rpmdrake to recognize the files included in it, or in the case of rpmdrake, that the package even exists (since it isn't recognized as being either installed or not). If somebody can tell me which files to copy off to the side for inclusion with a bug report, I'll be happy to move on. If the responsible parties aren't interested, then please just say so, and I'll abandon trying to preserve evidence Since RPM itself seems to be happy, the contents of /var/lib/urpmi would seem to be what's required (about 20MB on my machine). If you wanted to be safe, put aside /var/lib/rpm as well (about 23MB here). Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] VESA drivers (was: Danger)
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:25, Bruno Prior wrote: For some reason, this guy says the Vesa driver doesn't work for him. He hasn't provided enough info to be able to figure out what's going on, and probably won't now. Could very likely be user error (I suspect it may be configuration of his monitor rather than his card that is failing), but we will probably never know now One thing which has seriously peeved me is that some of the newer cards come with a single VESA graphic mode, 800x600xI-think-24 at 60Hz, and if this doesn't suit your display (e.g. you have an inflexible 1024x768 flatscreen), tough bikkies. There are no combinations which work, you *must* have a native driver of some sort. Hurrah for the nv driver, for example, and hurrah for the crew who did/are doing a GPLed driver for their nForce LAN card. On similar lines, I polled XGI yesterday WRT data for building an Open driver for their new video cards. If they can bring themselves to do that, they'll get more of a leg-up in the market than they anticipated. Each manufacturer that does this is one we can use as a wedge against the others to worry them into keeping up with the pack. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] ln cannot be forced?
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:37, Quel Qun wrote: This is weird: # ls -l linux linux - linux-2.4.22-21mdk # ln -sf linux-2.6.0-0.test9.4mdk linux # ls -l linux linux - linux-2.4.22-21mdk At this point, an ls -l linux/ or ls -l linux-2.4.22-21mdk would have shown you a symlink named linux-2.6.0-0.test9.4mdk within that directory. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:08, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Brad Felmey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IIRC for GC it would be handsome guys delivering refreshments between bouts of perfect coding. :) How rumours can spread.. They're probably just jealous because nobody's offered _them_ pretty girls to help with their coding. I know a few, and they're all too busy being geniuses (wunderkind) to want to move somewhere where a computer becomes an ordinateur for no good reason. (-: Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 22:08, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Kind of things that are dangerous to believe when they come second-hand, especially from a male/childish set of coworkers :). Agree. After what I was once accused of by allegedly sober mature adults, being declared gay would be fairly mild. Besides, any accuser'd be struggling to find anyone who (a) knew me and (b) believed them. (-: I've suffered three rounds of serious conviction by rumour so far in my life, perhaps the funniest was being accused of sleeping with a cousin (although nobody would ever actually come out and say it) who subsequently fell pregnant* by another completely different cousin who, it later turned out, had been shafting her for many years. Very pretty girl, great friend too, would make an outstanding programmer if she ever decided to do that. The rumours continued even after both the cousin concerned *and* my wife had roundly abused the principal rumour mongers, but they stopped fairly smartly not long before the delivery. Cheers; Leon * French is bizarre, English is much worse. What do we say, Oops, I tripped and fell pregnant? (-:
Re: [Cooker] protecting LG drives (was: Danger)
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 07:01, Harijs Buss wrote: I have LG drives on several machines and do not want them to be killed. Then flash them to the latest firmware. This won't help people who don't know about it, but even if you have a kernel with a workaround, you really should repair the LG drives' broken firmware anyway. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1mdk-1-1mdk
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 07:19, Olivier Blin wrote: On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 23:50:41 +0100 I said test9.5mdk ;) I'm tweaking the config files right now, it will be built next morning. Oden could try setting his clock ahead... (-: Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Danger: Magazine with 9.2 with problematic kernel
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:09, Bruno Prior wrote: I just wanted people to see that the faults in the initial 9.2 release were causing real-life damage amongst less sophisticated linux users than Cooker subscribers. And that this damage hurts more than Mandrake - it hurts linux. I think if Bill Gates really *understood* how much similar pain his own users go through with MS-Windows bugs, in *every* release, it'd be wrist-slitting time for him. The Mandrake people are a lot less subject to unreasonable denial than Bill is, but still they're human and imperfect. With 9.2, there's very little that they can do, and they're doing all of it. The LG issue really is an LG problem: their firmware is not ATAPI compliant, their drives are broken. However, I do think that wider testing before release is a fine idea, and I do think Mandrake could do with an extra Alpha release about a week or two before they would normally start the Betas, specifically to get any changes crammed in early so that they have time to be exposed to lots of machines. About all else Mandrake could do would be spend money they don't have on a wide range of cruddy bottom-of-the-range hardware they don't really want and then spend time they don't have installing to it to see if it breaks. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons: sexy tea ladies
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 23:52, Götz Waschk wrote: Am Donnerstag, 6. November 2003, 16:47:28 Uhr MET, schrieb Pascal Terjan: Maybe he plans to provide you with nice girls bringing coffee or tea to your desk :-) What a typical macho opinion. I rather prefer the nice girls who can write good code. When I started Engineering at the University of Western Australia in 1980, there were four very popular girls out of about 600 engineering students. Now I think the enrolments are closer to 60/40%. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons: keeping the Drakes happy
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 23:29, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Leon Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As of now, there is no room for hiring or paying more. What else would make Mandrake a more attractive workplace for you? I don't understand. Is there anything that either Mandrake or we could do to make your job noticeably more survivable? I live on the other side of the planet, so I have no idea what would make your day, or the collective day of the crew at your office. Messages of encouragement? Photos of Pascal's nice girls with offers of hospitality for your next holiday? Surprise free pizza (or French equivalent? Crepes? Give us a head count and preferences, invite fpons along too) for lunch? Free food and accommodation for any Drake that attends LCA2004? Each time we *don't* install MS-Windows and MS-Office, we save ourselves roughly USD$400 in licence fees (MS SQL Server? I don't have that much money). If we put aside just 10% of that each time into a keep the Drakes happy fund and 2% towards club membership then we still save 88% and just the crew reading this list (call it 100 people installing an average of one system a month and you get USD$48,000 a year in the slush fund plus USD$9600 a year to the Club) ought to be able to employ a Drake or two by themselves - or keep the existing Drakes swamped in luxuries. (-: Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Want to do a magazine CD with 9.2 plus LG-proof kernel
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 04:48, Pascal Terjan wrote: Francisco Alcaraz wrote: I just have bought a linux magazine (Todo Linux) that comes with the two first Mandrake 9.2 and, of course, with the old kernel. Nothing in the magazine warn about the possible problem with LG cdrom drivers. It could be problematic have lot of people having their LG cdrom-drivers broken. At least a note about the danger should be put. :-( Mandrake should be more carefull with this, shouldn't it? I'm pretty sure the magazine didn't even bother to tell Mandrakesoft they'll distibute the 9.2... OK... I'm planning to include a slightly-less-than-single-ISO version of 9.2 plus the updates and an LG-proof kernel on the cover of an Australian magazine. It will be aimed at a single purpose: installing a secure, database-backed Mandrake Linux webserver/mailserver/gateway machine for developers to use either for real or as a staging area or an intranet server/testbed. What are the rules Mandrake would like me to follow? For example, if I include a PLF package or the NVidia/ATI drivers, what must I change? The distro's name? Licence terms? What can I do with the advertising screens? Are Mandrake happy for me to add extra images to the sequence, one to loudly remind the audience that this is not an official Mandrake distribution - it's been built for the magazine - one to advertise Linux contacts in Australia, and so on? What else? Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Want to do a magazine CD
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might want to consider a live CD version ... (if it's prime purpose isn't for installation, but more for demo). This one will be intended for installation. I am also considering a live CD as a later project, one with most of the above plus a web browser and the like, aimed at being a plug this in and try it template that developers can use to ship an active site (databases etc copied to a RAMdisk) to a customer. It would be even better with a script named i_like_it which installs to the running machine's hard disk if the end customer does in fact like it. Well, if we get an answer on this, can we get it on the Wiki. Yes, please! A Knoppix-alike-Mandrake-HOWTO page would also be wonderful, if anyone reading this has ever made one. Cheers; Leon
[Cooker] Mandrake mini-conf 2004 take two: speak now or forever hold your peace!
Not sure whether the first post made it to the list, but I can organise a one-day Mandrake mini-conference and/or a desktop mini-conf at the next LCA2004 in January 2004 (http://conf.linux.org.au/). In order to do so, I need expressions of interest from you *now* if you'd like to either attend or present at same. Please forward/crosspost this to any other Mandrake lists you're on. Cheers; Leon
[Cooker] Re: No more fpons
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:21, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Francois has stopped working for Mandrake. He's not anymore a MandrakeSoft employee since Mon 3 Nov. How long before Mandrake can afford to pay enough wages to make the stress worthwhile? Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] FHS 2.3 (fwd)
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:50, Stew Benedict wrote: FHS 2.3 is currently stuggling with a couple of controversial proposals. Addition of /srv: http://bugs.freestandards.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16 Addition of /media: http://bugs.freestandards.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=27 bugs.freestandards.org resolves to 207.235.77.149 which back-resolves to base3.freestandards.org but still won't allow me to connect on port 80. I tried https just for the fun of it and no go. Nmap shows FTP, SSH, SMTP, (TCP) DNS, IMAP[23] and SMux, whatever that is, on port 199. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 07:26, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Leon Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:21, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Francois has stopped working for Mandrake. He's not anymore a MandrakeSoft employee since Mon 3 Nov. How long before Mandrake can afford to pay enough wages to make the stress worthwhile? The company is fully commited to building the necessary environment to get out of the current observation and protection period from the French Commercial Court. January 2004 should be the climax. Three months. Oh, well, hopefully the rest of you can hold fast. As of now, there is no room for hiring or paying more. What else would make Mandrake a more attractive workplace for you? But you know that most employees at technical department are almost as concerned with Linux stuff as the many contributors out there, which allows for not only considering wages in the job offer. True. Cheers; Leon
[Cooker] The GIMP and CMYK
WRT recent discussions about PhotoShop and Mandrake: http://www.linuxgraphic.org/dcforum/DCForumID1/75.html Sven Neuman says (apparently either on 05 Sep 2001 or 09 May 2001 depending on how you interpret the date 05-09-01): Yes, the Gimp-2.0 core will have support for multiple color spaces and CMYK will most probably be one of the color spaces supported by default. Of course color management is partly protected by patents. While I must admit that I do not believe in intellectual property at all and living in Europe makes it easy to ignore those software patents, we will probably have to respect some of those patent issues. On the other hand, only professional users need professional color management systems like Pantone, so our goal is to provide the architecture for color management and to provide at least one free implementation. This will give color management to everyone and will allow third-party vendors to offer color management modules which are based on systems that need to be licensed. Professional Gimp users will then have a chance to spend their money on licensing fees in order to get the color-management systems with well-known names on it as their customers demand. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: TUX?
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:45, Levi Ramsey wrote: I've seen the proof is in the pudding in various locations, even reputable British English publications (e.g. the Guardian). I've also seen alot in reputable Yankee publications. Wrong is wrong, no matter how many times you repeat it. (-: Another common misunderstanding is the exception which proves the rule. Proves used to mean breaks as in destroys. To prove your case was to break your opponent's case. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: TUX?
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:36, Juan Quintela wrote: /me returns to his English lessons. As you can expect my Engilsh lessons show me how to talk about aunt's cats and gardens, not really _colloquial_ English at all :( Don't sweat it, your English is far, far better than my French, Spanish or anything else. (-: Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Internal Server Error [qa.mandrakesoft.com]
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:23, Stefan van der Eijk wrote: I'm getting these errors regularly on qa.mandrakesoft.com: Internal Server Error Seems to be fixed now. Time to vote for the Konqueror bug: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6275 Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 04:37, Rob wrote: (c) to know that Pan originally stood for Pimp-Ass Newsreader you'd have to google a little bit (they even let superpimp.com lapse), whereas gimp is the name of the executable. So switch to Film Gimp, now known as CinePaint. I'm sure it's in contrib or one of the satellite repositories. http://cinepaint.sourceforge.net/ Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: Konqueror bug
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 06:01, Duncan wrote: Jan Ciger posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:19:40 +0200: Upon opening a bookmark from Konqueror (http://www.cnn.com/ in this case, but it happened with other addresses too), I am getting this message : There appears to be a configuration error. You have associated Konqueror with text/html, but it can't handle this file type. When I restart Konqueror, it goes away only to appear again after some time. Ditto here, but not predictably. Athlon 1800+ on MSI GeForce2-based mobo. I took a break from Cooker and am just getting back to the list, so I can't say I'm updated, but yes, I'm seeing the same, at times. Konqueror will only want to do local file browsing, not work as a web browser. Mine breaks totally arbitrarily, http: or file: or fish: makes no difference. Always seems to be text/html. Konqueror also dies silently (ie, no bomb message) a lot more often than under 9.1. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] TUX?
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 00:03, Oden Eriksson wrote: I asked to have TUX included before but it was decided not to use the patch because security considerations. Now Tux is considered deprecated (but maybe not by Mandrake, who knows?) because a lot of what it did to provide extreme responsiveness has been exposed through the kernel call API, so now Apache can perform at similar levels in userspace (without being welded to the kernel at the hip). Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: Konqueror bug
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 00:35, Jan Ciger wrote: Leon Brooks wrote: | Mine breaks totally arbitrarily, http: or file: or fish: makes no | difference. Always seems to be text/html. Konqueror also dies | silently (ie, no bomb message) a lot more often than under 9.1. I filled a bug for this, please vote: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6275 Click vote for this bug, get: Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer/2.0.47 (Mandrake Linux/4mdk) mod_perl/1.99_09 Perl/v5.8.1 mod_ssl/2.0.47 OpenSSL/0.9.7b Server at qa.mandrakesoft.com Port 80 Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: Konqueror bug: Internal Server Error on bug page
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 07:21, Jan Ciger wrote: Click vote for this bug, get: Internal Server Error Try to reload the page, Mandrake bugzilla is very quirky. It usually works on the second, third attempt. No amount of reloading, including shift key, using either Konqueror or Mozilla produces any other result. Also tried from a machine connected via a different ISP in case it was a stubborn cacheing issue, but still the same result. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] New ISO with updates
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 11:19, Robert L Martin wrote: i would be very upset if i PAID for an OS and had this kind of Issue. Robert, I would be very upset if I paid for an ATAPI-compliant CD-ROM drive and somebody sold me a non-compliant LG motorised coffee-cup holder instead. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 04:10, Duncan wrote: If I don't miss my guess, The Gimp, was a DELIBERATE play on the above meaning, in the same finger to the man anti-corporate poking-fun-at-society deliberate way the Linux community has such applications as Scrotum [...], BitchX, and Pimp-Ass Newsreader And Pathetic Writer, part of SIAG Office. My personal favourite is this descriptively named Eight-Instruction Turing-Complete Programming Language from Muppet Labs (not your grandfather's Muppets, it seems): http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/bf/ ...and here's an interpreter for it written in itself (plus links to a translator-to-C for it)... http://home.planet.nl/~faase009/Ha_bf_inter.html Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: 9.2 - manpages in Russian completely screwed up
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:01, Thierry Vignaud wrote: Andrey Borzenkov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: please, fix. i'll[message ends here] Er... is that a good omen? )-: Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] ADSL + postfix default config = open relay?
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:22, Luca Berra wrote: On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 12:54:05PM +0100, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: However, why is it using subnet by default? but probably the reason is that postfix target is real mail servers on a lan, not standalone system. No, reason is that on almost all broadband and dialup links that opens you to traffic from no more than your own lan, and your private point-to-point link to the ISP. With the arrangement previously described, most Windows machines would be completely legs-in-air and beckoning to the entire ISP (or at least that subnet) by default. Unwise. Cheers; Leon
[Cooker] [OT] Uniquely Vietnamese solution to software piracy
No software, so no piracy, so no problem, now we can join WTO and avoid US trade sanctions. http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/business/columnists/gmsv/7139304.htm Vietnam implemented a trade agreement with the United States in 2001 that requires the government to bring down the piracy rate. And the government also needs to do that to meet its goal of joining the World Trade Organization by 2005. Microsoft Windows and Office cost at least $140 in Vietnam -- way out of reach for most people, where the per capita annual income is roughly $420. ...so a lot of it got stolen. How do we solve this problem? We take the vulnerable software out of the loop, no worries? ``We are trying step by step to eliminate Microsoft,'' said Nguyen Trung Quynh of Vietnam's Ministry of Science and Technology. Laugh? I dang near fell off my chair! (-: Quick, send them a fixed 9.2 ISO set! Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] LG again (was: rant ahead)
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:29, Rob wrote: Worse still would be if this got into the channel and someone with an axe to grind decided to sue Mandrake for knowingly selling something that would destroy equipment, however cheap the equipment may be... in some jurisdictions this would probably be legal no matter what the EULA or the GPL says. It's unequivocally the equipment's fault. The Mandrake-shipped kernel hews to the ATAPI spec, which requires the device to ignore or return an error for standards commands that it does not implement. Instead, the device dies when it receives a well-defined ATAPI command. Even if it did abuse the opcode for something else, it comes under the category blood stupid to accept a firmware upload on the wrong opcode with no checksums or data integrity checking of any sort. What happens if the power fails midway through an update? What happens when Windows begins to crash and spew garbage down the IDE buss? If you want corroborating evidence to show that it's not Mandrake's fault, do the search that Juan suggested. You'll find Windows users blowing up LG drives in the same way. Good luck suing Microsoft or the writers of the Windows burner software in question for that one. LG's claim untested with Linux is bogus, both because Linux ain't the problem, and because as another poster noted, their retail box says it's supported under Slackware. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Fwd: [plug] Mandrake Bug announce warning rant ahead
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:47, James Sparenberg wrote: Note that Slashdot pclinuxonline and others found out about it by point to this page. You can't quite say that much. You can say that they found out about it *and* pointed at this page, not that they found out about it *through* this page. Which is Scott's point. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] What is an LG CD-ROM?
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:12, Felix Miata wrote: A cheap CD-ROM drive made by LG. LG used to be called GoldStar. They advertise using the catch-phrase life's good, but don't put much faith in that slogan, probably coined by a shareholder, not by a user of their equipment. )-: Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] ADSL + postfix default config = open relay?
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:34, Florin wrote: This is FALSE. The default postfix configuration is binded to localhost. He's obviously bound postfix to all local interfaces instead, and the nature of the DSL connection is such that the entire ISP (probably a single Class C within the ISP's collection of addresses) is considered local. In Australia, it is normal for the link to the ISP to be P-t-P, so this would not happen, but perhaps an extra note in main.cf warning of this possibility is apropos? I would be more inclined to ask Wietse to do this than to make it a Mandrake-specific patch. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] [9.2] The Windows widow shows wrongly 9.1 !
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:27, Teletchéa Stéphane wrote: I'm contributing also to translation in French and i found many tiny bugs ... not very important in reality, but annoying, like milsleading translations in urpmi manual page, ... This is good, not because they were there, but because they are no longer. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Fwd: [plug] Mandrake Bug announce warning rant ahead
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:45, Rolf Pedersen wrote: Perhaps, at least in the current economic environment, it would be unwise to commit further, limited resources in the uncompensated service of those who merely just don't want to pay for software and (...) don't want to steal it either. I understand your point, but that's not Scott's issue. Scott's issue is that he _is_ a fully subscribed Club member and is on the appropriate announce lists but still found out about LG's faux pas first from other sources. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] OT: My $firewall is bigger than yours! g
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:43, Buchan Milne wrote: We run our production firewall (with about 60 machines behind it, a bit of a DMZ etc) on a P133/32MB. Huh, well! (-: _My_ firewall is exactly twice as big as yours! (-: P2-266, 64MB, 6GB. Cheers; Leon
[Cooker] Fwd: [plug] Mandrake Bug announce warning rant ahead
FYI; Scott runs a local Linux retail business and consultancy -- Forward; originally to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Subject: [plug] Mandrake Bug announce warning rant ahead Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:58 From: Scott Middleton DESPAMMED rant I am pissed off.. Has anyone seen an official announcement to the Mandrake users that using their latest and greatest will completely stuff their CDROM? I don't care that it is not their fault. I don't care that Suse has the same problem nor do i care if they have found a fix. I was told because i subscribe to PLUG. I am on the announcements list at Mandrake but it is usually 2 weeks behind. Maybe i will receive an official notice in two weeks! I meet people everyday who run Mandrake but are not on any Mailing List. They are not activists, they just don't want to pay for software and they don't want to steal it either. How are they supposed to know when it is not even on the Mandrake Club front page? I think this is a very important piece of information that should be well publicised by them at least in an effort to have some credibility. This just seems typical of M$ worrying about bottom line rather than the users of the product. I expect a big blazon across their homepage saying Please be aware that Mandrake 9.2 can destroy your CDROM. Or at least; some official notice. I suppose what really pisses me off is i have now lost one of my major Linux selling points. Linux is good because it doesn't hide its faults, it acknowledges them and then fixes it. I didn't lose any CDROMs only because i didn't (fortunately) upgrade all the machines that are running Mandrake. My home machine luckily doesn't have LG CDROM and is working wonderfully. So for me it wasn't the cost of membership + 1 or more CDROMs but for many others it was. Even worse for Mandrake it only affects the financial contributors. The people who are starting to make Mandrake profitable, this really can't be good business decision for them. I can live with bugs and mistakes but i can't live with irresponsible behaviour and not informing users is plainly irresponsible. I will have to reconsider being a financial member next year. Maybe i am overreacting about people having to buy a new CDROM, forget the warranty, who wants to wait weeks/months for a replacement one. I am just a bit disappointed in Mandrake and their lack of urgency in informing the public. /rant Regards -- Scott Middleton Linux Information Technology www.linuxit.com.au scott AT linuxit.com.au (08) 9331 8051 ___ plug mailing list plug AT plug.linux.org.au http://mail.plug.linux.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug --- Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Error buildin Openoffice.org1.1 0.rc4.2mdk
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:41, AAW wrote: Sun's j2sdk-1.4.2-fcs installed (same results if not installed). try this before building (might need to tweak the path): export JAVA_HOME=/usr/jave/j2re1.4.0_02 if you still get the GIJ message, try export OVERRIDE_JAVA_HOME=/usr/jave/j2re1.4.0_02 Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] [origin found] 9.2 and fried LG cdroms - what's the solution?
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 05:12, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Ok, here's status: Nicolas Planel found the origin of the problem. It's the packet writing support for cd/dvd burners that was introduced on 15th of August I'm astounded that anyone would ship a drive that can be fried in software. What's the solution? Is a fried drive truly fried, or can they be re-flashed or something to resuscitate it? Cheers; Leon
[Cooker] Remastering-with-updates HOWTO?
Is there a simple HOWTO somewhere with the steps I need to walk through to produce new Download Edition ISOs but with the updated RPMs in place of the originals? Yes, I know it's slack to ask first and search afterwards but it's late here and I'm tired and would want to fetch the RPMs ASAP and get this done tomorrow. Cheers; Leon
[Cooker] Anyone else having trouble fetching MandrakeClub RPMs?
Every time I go to download an RPM I get asked to log in. When I log in, the site sends me back to the welcome screen. When I work my way back down to the download, it asks me to log in again. Immediately before this, Konqueror was throwing Malformed URL at me in return for a perfectly happy-looking HTTPS download URL. Here is an example of a URL which is currently asking me to log in but was at one stage considered Malformed: https://download.mandrakeclub.com/downloads/comm/9.2/i586/NVIDIA_GLX-4496-2.1.92mdk.i586.rpm Mozilla just does the login loop for me, has never complained about malformation. System is 9.2-ish made from Cooker while it was frozen. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Remastering-with-updates HOWTO? LG-proof kernel.
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 22:06, Warly wrote: 2nd solution, remaster the CD. Use the config files into the misc dir into repositories. Replace the list line with list -k cooker_key_file -k update_key_file 1 cooker_path/misc/download cooker_path_/misc/main rpmlist -b update_RPMS/ rpmlist -b 9.2_RPMS/ Thanks, Warly! Do the updates include an LG-proof (LG == Lame Goldstar) kernel yet? If so, what's an exact release number so I can check that my local mirror is up to speed? Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Anyone else having trouble fetching MandrakeClub RPMs?
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 23:21, Pascal wrote: Le Samedi 25 Octobre 2003 15:39, Leon Brooks a écrit : Every time I go to download an RPM I get asked to log in. When I log in, the site sends me back to the welcome screen. When I work my way back down to the download, it asks me to log in again. Immediately before this, Konqueror was throwing Malformed URL at me in return for a perfectly happy-looking HTTPS download URL. Here is an example of a URL which is currently asking me to log in but was at one stage considered Malformed: https://download.mandrakeclub.com/downloads/comm/9.2/i586/NVIDIA_GL X-4496-2 .1.92mdk.i586.rpm Mozilla just does the login loop for me, has never complained about malformation. System is 9.2-ish made from Cooker while it was frozen. Yes I have the exactly same problem with kget integrated into konqueror when downloading mandrakeclub rpms ! Might be wise to open a bug report Leon ! Note that the same process works on an adjacent machine using an updated 9.1. I'm about to do a fresh 9.2 install on a different machine, so I'll try the same process with that one. If it breaks, I'll make a bug report, else I'll put it down to an incompletely upgraded installation. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Error buildin Openoffice.org1.1 0.rc4.2mdk
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 06:01, AAW wrote: On Friday, October 24, 2003 07:52 am, R N dev wrote: Can anyone help me? FIXME: Emulate java runtime with gij here dmake: Error code 1, while making '../../unxlngi4.pro/misc/01/readme01.html' ---* TG_SLO.MK *--- I can't help, but I'd be extremely interested in the solution. I posted this problem last month in Mandrake Expert (because I was building for 9.1 rather than cooker). The only responses were two off-list emails asking if I'd figured it out. I cured this by installing real Java from Sun. The build then succeeded on a Mandrake 9.0 system (which doesn't touch the Internet, and I wanted some later software on it - OOo 1.1, FireBird and a few other bits - but didn't want to disturb the Win4Lin stuff on it). Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: LG Drives - please send official statements
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 08:22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 25 October 2003 07:20 pm, Juan Quintela wrote: Yep, whoeved decided at LG that reusing for UPLOAD_FIRMAWARE command FLUSH_CACHE comand should be shoot. Twice. SO it turns out to be a firmware bug after all that. I really hope you guys don't take the heat for this in the court of public opinion. /. posted a really badly researched post on this (with a bad title too), but it seems public opinion is that hardware shouldn't be vulnerable. It wouldn't hurt though to have an official position sent to /., I think they should reasonably update the summary to indicate that this is a hardware issue that would also affect other users, and hopefully push the availability of updates and how to use them. I'd say send a release to all of the usual suspects (starting with /. LinuxToday LWN and working outwards). Might want to see if LG have anything they want to add. Like Oops, sorry! Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] LG-proof kernel == -21mdk?
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:18, Leon Brooks wrote: Do the updates include an LG-proof (LG == Lame Goldstar) kernel yet? If so, what's an exact release number so I can check that my local mirror is up to speed? OK, Juan implies -21mdk should be happy, correct me if I'm wrong. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:17, Guy McArthur wrote: Can Gimp 1.3 do these? * rotate by arbitrary # of degrees * free rotate * perspective transform * other warping transforms Apologies for the off-topic. I tried looking for a gimp-1.3 features list. Even old GIMP does these. Or to put it another way, I have done these using GIMP 1.2, possibly earlier. Having just installed GIMP 1.3 to see what all of the noise was about: Oooh! Shiny! (-: Cheers; Leon
[Cooker] Mandrake mini-conf at LCA2004?
[ sorry if a dupe appears, not sure if the machine I originally posted from has an SMTP server up; I'm only subscribed to Cooker, so... ] *** PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO OTHER MANDRAKE LISTS AND FORUMS *** I have an opportunity to do a one-day Mandrake mini-conference at the Australian Linux Conference in Adelaide in January 2004. For this to happen, I need two ingredients: people to be there and people to present stuff. Please email me off-list to leon 0 cyberknights . com . au (since the FDNS box gets roughly 250 spam a day and you might drown in that) if you have any intention of being at the Southern Hemisphere's premier Linux conference (http://lca2004.linux.org.au/). I'd be most impressed if any of the key ex-officio developers like Texstar, Ranger etc could present, and/or any Mandrake employees (Warly or anyone else?), and/or if Mandrake could show willing by kicking in some merchandise for attendees, maybe a boxed powerpack for a speaker prize and a cap or something for other attendees? If you can come, please consider doing a paper on something like Mandrake RPM tricks, Mandrake clusters, the future of the Control Center, whatever takes your fancy. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] not enough CDs?
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:05, Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote: time for 3 DVD's (not CD's) ? FlightGear, F-117, the full versions of some of the RPGs... and more software being added daily... I give it two years tops before we debate the 4th DVD. (-: Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] I just installed Mandarke 9.2 Download edition on a IMP PC 300 PL, and it FRIED the CDROM drive
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:26, Teletchéa Stéphane wrote: Did it really died, or can you use it with hdc=nodma as i'm obliged to do for years with my LG model HL-DT-ST CD-RW GCE-8240B ? (from mdk 8.1 to 9.1) Had to do the same here with two different drives, one a JustLink-badged AOpen CRW4852, one an acient 32x brand-x horror. I suspect complicity by the onboard IDE controller (MSI nForce2 mobo) because the JustLink did an install OK on a different machine. BTW, it's nice to have the nForce LAN and video drivers from the PowerPack CDs, NVidia's drivers don't play nicely with the default combination of kernel and compiler. Must be time to petition NVidia to Open those again. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Idea for future iso's
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:22, Warly wrote: A compromise would be to give those 2 base ISOs for free and let club members have access to 3 more specific complementary ISOs. Only 3? (-: Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] [IMPORTANT] 9.2 install potentially frying some LG cdrom drives
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:59, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Several people are reporting that installing the 9.2 totally fried their LG cdrom drive. Luis Alves on cooker is reporting that problem on an IBM PC 300 PL machine, with a LG CRD-8400B. On MandrakeClub an article[1] reports that this happens on a Dell Optiplex GX1 machine, with CRD-8482B and CRD-8400B models. I've had confirmations that with another LG model, the HL-DT-ST CD-ROM GCR-8520B, 9.2 worked nice (e.g. did NOT do any damage to the cdrom drive). Also, with the HL-DT-ST CD-ROM GCR-8522B, 9.2rc2 worked nice (it's then -probable- 9.2 will work nice). Might help to also report the breed of IDE controller involved, and/or the CPU brand and speed since it sounds like a combination of factors is necessary to fry a drive. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] not enough CDs? (was: 9.2 disasters)
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 14:36, Warly wrote: The 3 ISOs provided to the club are only the 3 out of the 7 provided into the boxed version. [...] but yes there are some binaries on the first source CD as I prefer removing some source than removing binary rpm). So... reading between the lines, where this list was complaining about 3 CDs not being enough, you're telling us that 7 CDs is not enough? (-: Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Fw: [expert] Shockwave Player for Linux Campaign
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:05, Jan Ciger wrote: |I think every cooker should join in ..., |I already did... Me too. Definitelly post this to Slashdot, they will get more requests that they bargained for :-) I asked for DreamWeaver for Linux while I was there. (-: Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Torrent ha ha ha.
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:26, Brook Humphrey wrote: Thanks to all of you leaving your torrents turned on. My PowerPack torrent is till pushing out a steady 8KiB/s on a 512/128Kib (not lowercase b) ADSL link. It took nearly 3 days to arrive. The download edition is arriving at 16KiB/s* and departing at 1, has taken roughly 14 hours to get that far. My plan is to leave each torrent up until at least twice as much has been sent as was fetched. Cheers; Leon * Evidently someone else has just come on line (cue Twilight Zone theme) since it roared up to 40KiB/s immediately after I typed that. (-:
[Cooker] Odd blip during upgrade 9.1 - 9.2
I've got one customer machine which slowly went crazy as salt-laden air infected the accumulated dust on the MoBo. When they finally called me about it (as in, when it no longer booted - thwack!) there were bits missing all over the FS, so I decided that the simplest way to repair it would be an upgrade, and since I'd recently finished sucking the PowerPack down (torrentially). The first CD came out a bit wonky (cheap media, full-speed burn, and a dodgy second-hand reader), and one of the symptoms is that it didn't offer to upgrade, just went straight through to install without mentioning upgrades at all. I'd been burning my backup set slower, so I used the first CD from that and it did offer to upgrade. Athlon 2000+ on an MSI K7N2G (nForce2) motherboard, 256MBxPC133-DDR and seagate 40GB IDE drive if that makes any difference. The slowest CPU I can buy runs as fast as the klystron in my microwave oven. The 9.1 is a download edition, the 9.2 is PowerPack. During this upgrade, kdemultimedia-midi and -kscd are whining (on console 3) about conflicts, and about kdetoys being too old. After a dozen or so batches of packages (wasn't watching) they quit whining. I'll post again if anything related is broken. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Another niggle for 9.2 (not t obad though)
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 09:36, Brook Humphrey wrote: For 9.2 when installed and using a logitech mouse it finds it fine during install but after reboot it looses the wheel on the wheel mouse. No problems here with AOpen O35 or a GoTech nameless baby mouse (both optical wheel mice). Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] [OT] Sabbatarian torrents.
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:12, Brook Humphrey wrote: I shut it off for sabbath. This is something I've wondered about occasionally: by having your torrent up, do you become responsible for work that other people might be doing because of it? Are they conceptually a part of your household? If so, and they are in different timezones, are you responsible only during sabbath-for-you, or sabbath-for-them, or both? Is your computer counted as a kind of an animal or servant for purposes of deciding what it can or can't do on sabbath, or as an inert object like a stream (which continues to work throughout sabbath)? If your own computer is a kind of a servant, where do you stand WRT leaving your email and/or web domains up during sabbath? Does it make a difference whether your computer or your ISP's is doing the work? I've met sabbatarians, and computer people, but never someone who was both and also willing to satisfy my curiosity. Happy to see a reply on or off list. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: Demo site OLD
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:28, David Walser wrote: I agree that would be nice, but that would require MDK to re-hire the guy that made the Demo section, which would require money... Cooker list crew have already worked one site, what's so hard about another? (-: Eventually, management will have to ask list's permission to change stuff on Mandrake pages :-) Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] [Mandrake 10] automated testing (was: Replacing proftpd)
On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:38, Vincent Danen wrote: Build output is great, but if an app doesn't work and no one tries it, what good is it? Ie. on Corp 2.1/x86_64 apparently no one tried to do a search in joe... it segfaults every time. Now, granted, not too many people were able to test that (from my understanding) but a simple rebuild wouldn't have shown that as being a problem. rpmlint could be happier than sin, slbd could tell you nothing, but unless someone has written a program to fire up a program and fiddle with it automatically and then notify you if there is a problem or something doesn't operate properly *before* making it publically available, there isn't much point to an automatic rebuild. Auto rebuilds are great for cross-platform *current* development but trust me... they will absolutely cause nightmares for backporting to older releases. It shouldn't be hard to bodgy up something to test command-line and curses apps, as in, you walk through a series of tests and record what happened, the framework then feeds in the same events and whinges if the output (and maybe changes to files) isn't the same. That wouldn't guarantee that everything was good, but it would show up obvious problems a lot sooner. To some extent you could do the same with X stuff, although there would be a disadvantage in that things like widgets might change with theming or different versions of the window manager or widget libraries, but you couldn't draw a line around the widgets and tell the test framework to ignore them 'coz the app might break the widgets too. You could semi-automate the tests so that the framework highlighted differences and the operator could say yea or nay (or for something like a clock, draw a line around it and say ignore this). None of this would replace manual testing, but it would whoosh through a lot of the boring stuff, saving the, er, interesting bugs for real eyeballs and brains. Cheers; Leon
[Cooker] BTW, fixed WINE complaints
Context: updated from 9.1 by aiming urpmi at cooker on PlanetMirror and asking for urpmi, then --auto-select. Uninstalled WINE stuff completely and there were still libraries in /usr/lib/wine so I splatted those, reinstalled and all was well. Presumably this will work if people have trouble upgrading from 9.1 to the real 9.2. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] urpmi and 9.2 updates curious (and WINE)
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:15, François Pons wrote: Vincent Danen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you tried adding the media and downloading the updates? It should work regardless of what's in the list file. My bad. You're right, it doesn't work. Did for me. Posting from a 9.1 system upped to currently-frozen Cooker. The only problem I have is WINE, which says: FIXME:pthread_cond_init wine client error:9: version mismatch 118/105. Your wine binary was not upgraded correctly, or you have an older one somewhere in your PATH. Or maybe the wrong wineserver is still running? It's fixed now. The way urpmi handles this changed, so now all the old distribs do it one way and 9.2+ do it another way. No, urpmi didn't change on this, but DrakX has changed the way the update media are defined, I check to see if I made something wrong on this... I didn't use DrakX, if that makes any difference. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] font license question
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:20, Oden Eriksson wrote: This particular font is named times.ttf and I believe it is pretty standard in windoze. Is there a version somewhere that I can use? What ttf fonts if any ships with 9.2 and where is it located, which package? Every Linux that I know of ships with a Times font. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] TAKE MY BRAIN OFF THIS DAMN METHADONE FOR THE LAST TIME!
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:29, Tuomo Stauffer wrote: On Monday 29 September 2003 21:13, Sascha Noyes wrote: On Monday 29 September 2003 07:09 pm, Jason M. Randle wrote: Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Ignorant minds discuss people. You must admit that the sig is somewhat amusing in this email. Agree. (-: For a long time I have to agree this is the best ! And something we should do with Mandrake - discuss ideas. We have a lot of very intelligent people here developing Mandrake and ideas are what we need - not Average minds discuss events or Ignorant minds discuss people - ( IMHO ) and have a nice day. ps. where / who did this anecdote originate ? Jason What Headers? Randle misquoted Admiral Hyman G. Rickover: Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people. I can't find a reference for the last line, but I did stumble across an interesting editorial... We get most of our server consolidation with Exchange 2000, Devenuti says. But he expects to be able to push the number of users per server from about 3,000 on Exchange 2000 to 5,000 on Titanium. [/ME notes that Linux can handle at least 2,000,000 per box using dear old klunky SendMail as per http://thewhir.com/marketwatch/sendmail828.cfm and that tests http://www-dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/postfix/bench2.html show PostFix delivering typically twice as much as SendMail] ...with this breathtakingly bold reader comment while I was looking: Microsoft has done a great job of putting powerful tools in the hands of clueless morons. [...] Keep in mind people, Windows is the Etch-A-Sketch of the computer world. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] And next ? (SaMBa and CUPS)
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:11, Randy Welch wrote: (why do I need cups when installing samba...) Because if SaMBa is ever to use some of the special features of CUPS (e.g. print to PDF), it needs to access CUPS through the library. You shouldn't need all of CUPS, just the library. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] And next ? Release cycle.
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:44, Greg Meyer wrote: On Sunday 28 September 2003 04:19, Warly wrote: - What could we do to improve 9.3/10.0 development. Use the commonly held definitions of beta and rc for labeling releases. Too often, rc's are still full of major bugs, including with the installer, that most reasonable people think should be gone by the time you start using the term rc. Hokay... how about a definition of terms? Mandrake should have an Alpha release two weeks prior to their first planned Beta. To put it another way, we should begin the wind-up process two weeks earlier with an Alpha pulled straight out of cooker. Alpha-1 should be a signal that no new packages will be added without a damn fine reason, and if you want existing packages updated, you'd better hurry and get them and their dependencies sorted now. Anyone installing Alpha-1 on a production machine needs their head read. Alpha-1 should include the installer as she are shipped except for fixes (ie, no major design changes to the installer between Alpha-1 and Final, just bug-fixes and refinements). If Alpha-1 is abysmal, there should be an Alpha-2 crowded in there somewhere. BitTorrent is your friend, if you don't want to upset the mirrors. Beta-1 should signify no new packages at all, no new versions except for showstoppers and security fixes. Beta-1 should inspire the braver/more foolhardy souls to install it on production systems. If we do this, the first RC may well be a genuine RC and should certainly be fit enough to routinely run a production system on. This should make Final shine, be a beacon of robustness for other distributors to envy. (-: Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] And next ? - cooperation with major disk vendor?
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:35, FACORAT Fabrice wrote: You don't know where the disk will be installed, and so if you don't support well the hardware you will just panic ... Bad reputation for linux. This kind of alliance should be made with computers suppliers ( HP, Dell, IBM, Acer, Shuttle ) or with supermaket. The support is well defined and tested and so you don't have problem and you can have support. Agree. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: And next ?
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:02, David Walser wrote: Can Mailman be configured to correctly set the reply-to to the list? Correctly is a matter of opinion (one I happen to agree with) but it's a simple option for each list and can be made the default for new lists. What about majordomo? Bug/vulnerability city, harder to install, cumbersome, limited. Stick with MailMan. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] And next ?
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:55, Buchan Milne wrote: This has no bearing on the matter, since we build against libcups. If we didn't, you wouldn't require any printing-related software installed. If libcups2 isn't exclusive of any of the other printing systems, is it such a big problem to install it? All it requires is some near-universal graphics, crypto and compression libraries. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] And next ?
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 04:50, Michael Scherer wrote: On Sunday 28 September 2003 10:19, Warly wrote: - How to have more contributors? And, even if this sound a little childish, having a @contributer.mandrake.org mail address for contributer could do some subliminal advertisement, showing that people can contribute without having to be employed by mdk. Good idea. And a simple way to determine who gets early ISO access? Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] How to write a Mandrake HOWTO ?
On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:09, Austin wrote: Old corporate style is official and looks nice (use XML-related format or whatever), and can be edited with your favorite editor, but can't be transferred easily to the wiki, where most docs should reside IMHO. At the very least, it draws people to the wiki. New community style is to write the doc on the wiki. Problem is editing a large document in a web browser, no syntax highlighting, etc. Does anyone know of an editor for wiki markup? Also, the document is then not easily published elsewhere. Is there an easy way to convert wiki markup to pure HTML, or PDF, or some other publishing format? This is something that should be sorted out, as doc writing is an amazing source of free labour, and allows not-so-technical people to help out too. The alternative is to regularly update the formal doc from the Wiki, and occasionally browse the Wiki for new formal-doc candidates. Some effort required, but cut-and-paste isn't as hard as thinking up and typing the text in the first place. A first-pass Wiki-to-corporate translator script would probably be helpful. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Some apps for next mandrake
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:39, Steffen Barszus wrote:
I just want propose two apps for next mandrake.
_Typo3_
_XFCE4 _
KDE 3.2 ('tis gunna be _awesome_ :-)
Move NeverBall in from Contrib. Very addictive!
I'd personally like to shovel at least half of Contrib into the main
distro, but I can't see the 'Drakes being too happy about the extra
maintenance burden. (-:
Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 ISOs has been sent - who are contributors
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:39, _ cosmicflo wrote: Who are contributors ? For exemple, am I a contributor (send bugs report, discuss here) ? My purpose here seems to be frightening Warly. Does that count? (-: Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 ISOs has been sent
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:29, Adam Williamson wrote: Or are you just wondering exactly when this will happen, given the delayed release of the 9.1 ISOs? Old habits die hard, don't they? (-: s/9.1/9.2/ Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 ISOs has been sent
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:37, Serge Pluess wrote: One day one lonely box of 8.2 was sitting at Fry's next to lots and lots of boxes of Redhat 9, Suse 8.2, and current versions of Lycoris, Lindows, FreeBSD and NetBSD. Redhat and Suse boxes are usually at the store the day of the official release. And the store said that it doesn't have any preferences, just that they never received any 9.0 nor 9.1 retail boxes, otherwise they would put them on the shelves immediately. Red Hat have just eliminated themselves from this race. They've figured out that the money lies in enterprise and corporate installation and support. No more Red Hat boxes on the shelf. Cheers; Leon
Re: showstoper? Re: [Cooker] Re: [Bug 4316] [console-tools] /sbin/setsysfont segfaults on boot
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:07, Warly wrote: Tibor Pittich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: damn! f*ck! arg, same! Translation: the show has been stopped, 9.2 won't have this bug? Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 ISOs has been sent
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:02, Rob wrote: In my experience, torrents are faster than the fastest mirror once they get going. *IF* there are thousands of people participating. If not, the mirror works out faster. Cheers; LEon
Re: [Cooker] Yet another too late, but . . .
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:47, Robert Fox wrote: Can I download the standard Webmin RPM from the webmin site (currently version 1.110) and update the Cooker installed version (webmin-1.100-2mdk)? Is it just a simple rpm -Uvh procedure or are there Mandrake specific changes to the standard Webmin package? Diff them and see. Start with .src.rpm filesets and compare the .specs and patches against each other. Some of the patches might still be applicable, and the Mandrake specs are generally more flexible but complicated. Cheers; Leon
[Cooker] Argh! Third round of patches for OpenSSH (3.7.1p2)!
http://lwn.net/Articles/50503/ Hope we've not sent the 9.2 masters to press yet! Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Argh! Third round of patches for OpenSSH (3.7.1p2)!
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:58, Han Boetes wrote: Adam Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 00:34, Leon Brooks wrote: http://lwn.net/Articles/50503/ Hope we've not sent the 9.2 masters to press yet! Would these affect us, necessarily? We didn't update to 3.7, and I wouldn't be surprised if these vulnerabilities were in code different to that for which patches were backported. Maybe we're still okay. We're fine. Whew! (-: Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Argh! Third round of patches for OpenSSH (3.7.1p2)!
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:08, Vincent Danen wrote: On Wed Sep 24, 2003 at 07:34:14AM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: http://lwn.net/Articles/50503/ Hope we've not sent the 9.2 masters to press yet! Why? 3.7 isn't in cooker. Having gone back and read the announcement carefully, you're right, it doesn't mention versions other than 3.7*, and Han assures us that the backported patches didn't include the breakage. So score one for Mandrake caution. (-: Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Dept of redundant redundance (kernel RPM versions)
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:34, Curtis Hildebrand wrote: The explanation of kernel naming given in the spec file: http://cvs.mandrakesoft.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/SPECS/kernel/kernel-2. 4.spec?rev=1.306content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup Thanks for that, it made interesting if mind-bogglingly confusing reading. (-: Would it be simpler to give -pre kernels a kind of negative version number? E.g. 2.4.21-2mdk then 2.4.22-+3mdk for 2.4.22pre3 then 2.4.22-1mdk for the first real 2.4.22? Since '+' collates before '0' I'm kind of hoping this will have the right effect, sorting preX after the previous kernel but befor ethe real one - having not read the code. Using '-' (so 2.4.22--3mdk for .22pre3) would confuse the parsing and make my eyes cross. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] silent failures are a Bad Thing (tm)
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:27, Simon Oosthoek wrote: During install, a lot of problems happen unnoticed, because the results of install actions aren't always checked and considered blocking of failed. So if the next release cycle would include checks that block on significant errors, like network configuration finished, but no ip address is assigned to a device. Perhaps a debug flag or version of the installer? Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] RC3 or not? - no VeriSign
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this all can be fixed, I would be very happy:) Perhaps add: 10) Verisign/Bind issue The official word is: no time to test, and VeriSign might change what they do. However, VeriSign-proofed BINDs (and presumably the VeriSign-allergic PostFix as well) will be available elsewhere (PLF, Texstar, Ranger, Thac, who knows?) A safe plan, methinks. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] RC3 or not?
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 01:39, Pierre Jarillon wrote: I am sure that Mdk9.2 will be a success, but a RC3 (IMHO the first true RC) can make a great success, even a very great success. Don't waste this chance for a week! We need a RC3. If we're gunna have one, it'll have to be today (else no time for any feedback before 22Sep, let alone rebuilding stuff), but that would take a Drak away from fixing other bugs... a dilemma. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Squid Proxy
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 02:08, Norman Zhang wrote: I noticed in 9.2RC2 the version for Squid is squid-2.5.STABLE3-2mdk.i586.rpm. However, the latest STABLE from www.squid-cache.org is squid-2.5STABLE4. It fixes many bugs (includes a better implementation of NTLM with Samba). I was wondering if it's possible for the version to make it into 9.2 at this stage? If you need it, you can always pull the RPM from Cooker in a week or two (or .src.rpm if too much else has changed). Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] RC3 or not?
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:14, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 22:34, Luis Vicente Castillo Corbella wrote: I totally agree 9.2 solid, stable, innovative, easi for newies ok? Can we arrange for it to make tea and create world peace too? Herb tea. And world peace only by consent. Plus I'd like an X10 interface and irDA autodetection. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] RC3 or not?
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:00, Austin wrote: Sure, but you see the reason it will never make it big North America... it can't make coffee! As long as it make beautiful music, we can bring the coffee. (-: Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size
On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:40, Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote: but tell me which bleeding edge PC has a 300W PSU ?-) and dual SMP commonly needs = 400-450 :-) ...and count the monitor... Cheers; Leon
[Cooker] Fwd: [CS-FSLUG] USB flash card reader SLOW in Mandrake 9.2 RC2
Please CC the original poster in on any replies. -- Forward -- Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 05:02 From: K Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello All, I just bought a KTI 6-in-1 USB flash card reader from Directron.com. It claims to be compatible with Linux, which I've found to be true... in the strictest sense of the word compatible. I am able to access the drive (the CompactFlash slot) on /dev/sda1, but mounting and viewing file contents is absurdly SLOW. I tried to copy several files off the card and the operation seemed to take minutes per file. I am seeing this pair of messages in /var/log/syslog: Sep 17 16:35:24 KmacG4 kernel: sr0: mmc-3 profile: 0h Sep 17 16:35:24 KmacG4 kernel: cdrom: open failed. Here's the pertinent line from /etc/fstab (may wrap): /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable auto users,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,noauto 0 0 (That line was automatically added by something, don't know what.) Anyone have any ideas on why this reader is behaving so sluggishly in Linux? (Works just fine on Mac OS.) TIA, Kathy --- Cheers; Leon
[Cooker] Possible OpenSSH showstopper
Perhaps the local mirror (PlanetMirror) is just lagged but it's showing openssh-3.6.1p2-7mdk rather than 3.7.*. Even if this is a patched 3.6.1, it would be considerably more reassuring if it said 3.7.1* for the 9.2 release, seeing that even 3.7.0 has security issues with, apparently, wild exploits for same. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Possible OpenSSH showstopper
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:46, Vincent Danen wrote: In short, 8mdk is up, it has the appropriate fixes. Great, thanks. PlanetMirror is now showing 3.6.1p2-1.2.91mdk, which I presume equals Cooker's 3.6.1p2-8mdk? Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Possible OpenSSH showstopper
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:47, Vox wrote: There's more problems with 3.7.x than you can shake a stick at. So I see, thanks VD for the hint: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openssh-unix-devr=1b=200309w=2 Cheers; Leon
