Re: [COOT] Linking two sidechains with a double bond and refining

2023-07-31 Thread Joel Tyndall
Hi,

Not looking deep at your sequence/link, have you tried to move the link to a 
single bond and avoid the double as the linked bond? This way you can 
paraetrise the double bond correctly. Not sure is global phasing could help..
Joel

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Hi Learned Friends,

I'm trying to refine a structure that has a very similar staple to the one in 
8GJS.  In that structure, there's a double bond between residue 5 and 12 in 
chain B.  I've tried to define a link using jligand and I get a cif that looks 
like it would define the double bond.  But when I load that into Coot and try 
to refine the link, the bond blows up, bonded atoms seperate.  Has anyone had 
any luck with this?  What should I use to define a double bond link such that 
Coot (and Phenix) doesn't blow it up, but also keeps the appropriate atoms in 
plane (either trans or cis, NOT something in between).

Thanks,
David



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Re: [COOT] Linking two sidechains with a double bond and refining

2023-07-31 Thread David Dranow
Message was attached instead of in the body for some reason. Here it is" 

Hi Learned Friends,

I'm trying to refine a structure that has a very similar staple to the one in 
8GJS.  In that structure, there's a double bond between residue 5 and 12 in 
chain B.  I've tried to define a link using jligand and I get a cif that looks 
like it would define the double bond.  But when I load that into Coot and try 
to refine the link, the bond blows up, bonded atoms seperate.  Has anyone had 
any luck with this?  What should I use to define a double bond link such that 
Coot (and Phenix) doesn't blow it up, but also keeps the appropriate atoms in 
plane (either trans or cis, NOT something in between).  

Thanks,
David



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[COOT] Linking two sidechains with a double bond and refining

2023-07-31 Thread David Dranow
Hi Learned Friends,

I'm trying to refine a structure that has a very similar staple to the one in 
8GJS.  In that structure, there's a double bond between residue 5 and 12 in 
chain B.  I've tried to define a link using jligand and I get a cif that looks 
like it would define the double bond.  But when I load that into Coot and try 
to refine the link, the bond blows up, bonded atoms seperate.  Has anyone had 
any luck with this?  What should I use to define a double bond link such that 
Coot (and Phenix) doesn't blow it up, but also keeps the appropriate atoms in 
plane (either trans or cis, NOT something in between).  

Thanks,
David





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