Re: [cryptography] a Cypherpunks comeback

2013-07-22 Thread Adam Back

Could you please get another domain name, that name is just ridiculous.

It might tickle your humour but I guarantee it does not 99% of potential
subscribers...

Unless your hidden objective is to drive away potential subscribers.

Adam

On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 11:07:26AM +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote:

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Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 12:41:25 -0400
From: Riad S. Wahby r...@jfet.org
To: cpunks-recipients-suppres...@proton.jfet.org
Subject: a Cypherpunks comeback
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tl;dr:
I'm writing to invite you back to the Cypherpunks mailing list. If
you're interested, you can join via
   https://al-qaeda.net/mailman/listinfo/cypherpunks

Hello,

In the past couple days I've exchanged emails with John Young and
Eugen Leitl on some brokenness in the Cypherpunks mailing list. This
discussion brought us to a discussion of attempting to resurrect the
list's wetware, as it were, in addition to its software. At Eugen's
request, John dug up a couple Majordomo WHO outputs from about 15 years
ago; I tidied up the lists, and now I'm writing to you.

So! if you still have an interest in crypto, privacy, and politics, and
if you want to discuss that interest with a bunch of like-minded weirdos
from the aether, you can subscribe yourself via the web interface above
or by sending an email with subscribe in the body to
cypherpunks-requ...@al-qaeda.net.

(I am aware the provocative choice of domain name may discourage you
somewhat. I can only tell you that I've been running a Cypherpunks list
of some sort from this domain for a bit over a decade, and I haven't yet
been spirited away in a black helicopter. Here's hoping for another
helicopter-free decade.)

Best regards, and welcome back, preemptively,

-=rsw
on behalf of jya, eugen, and rsw

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Re: [cryptography] a Cypherpunks comeback

2013-07-22 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:41:14AM +0200, Adam Back wrote:
 Could you please get another domain name, that name is just ridiculous.
 
 It might tickle your humour but I guarantee it does not 99% of potential
 subscribers...
 
 Unless your hidden objective is to drive away potential subscribers.

For those who dislike posting to the The Base, here's an alternative
domain for the same list: https://cpunks.org/mailman/options/cypherpunks
 
 Adam
 
 On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 11:07:26AM +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote:
 - Forwarded message from Riad S. Wahby r...@jfet.org -
 
 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 12:41:25 -0400
 From: Riad S. Wahby r...@jfet.org
 To: cpunks-recipients-suppres...@proton.jfet.org
 Subject: a Cypherpunks comeback
 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
 
 tl;dr:
 I'm writing to invite you back to the Cypherpunks mailing list. If
 you're interested, you can join via
https://al-qaeda.net/mailman/listinfo/cypherpunks
 
 Hello,
 
 In the past couple days I've exchanged emails with John Young and
 Eugen Leitl on some brokenness in the Cypherpunks mailing list. This
 discussion brought us to a discussion of attempting to resurrect the
 list's wetware, as it were, in addition to its software. At Eugen's
 request, John dug up a couple Majordomo WHO outputs from about 15 years
 ago; I tidied up the lists, and now I'm writing to you.
 
 So! if you still have an interest in crypto, privacy, and politics, and
 if you want to discuss that interest with a bunch of like-minded weirdos
 from the aether, you can subscribe yourself via the web interface above
 or by sending an email with subscribe in the body to
 cypherpunks-requ...@al-qaeda.net.
 
 (I am aware the provocative choice of domain name may discourage you
 somewhat. I can only tell you that I've been running a Cypherpunks list
 of some sort from this domain for a bit over a decade, and I haven't yet
 been spirited away in a black helicopter. Here's hoping for another
 helicopter-free decade.)
 
 Best regards, and welcome back, preemptively,
 
 -=rsw
 on behalf of jya, eugen, and rsw
 
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Re: [cryptography] a Cypherpunks comeback

2013-07-22 Thread grarpamp
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:41 AM, Adam Back a...@cypherspace.org wrote:
 Could you please get another domain name, that name is just ridiculous.

 It might tickle your humour but I guarantee it does not 99% of potential
 subscribers...

 Unless your hidden objective is to drive away potential subscribers.

Though I can't speak directly, I believe it may have been an oversight of
legacy as things come together, and one without particular objective.
You may find the subsequent update below to be more suitable...

https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2013-July/11.html
 Sat Jul 20 18:39:55 EDT 2013
 Subject: domain change
 ...
 https://cpunks.org/



I can say that Cypherpunks do have a history of flaunting political
correctness (and politics) and that that variety is a welcome and
even necessary thing ;)


 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 12:41:25 -0400
 From: Riad S. Wahby r...@jfet.org
 Subject: a Cypherpunks comeback
 ...
 If you're interested, you can join via
https://al-qaeda.net/mailman/listinfo/cypherpunks
 ...
 So! if you still have an interest in crypto, privacy, and politics, and
 if you want to discuss that interest with a bunch of like-minded weirdos
 from the aether, you can subscribe yourself via the web interface above
 ...
 Here's hoping for another helicopter-free decade.
 ...
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Re: [cryptography] Must have seemed like a good idea at the time

2013-07-22 Thread Florian Weimer
* James A. Donald:

 This not all that fatal, as the money is traceable, but it means that
 the financial institution needs an apparatus to reverse cell phone
 transactions, and that cell phone money is therefore soft on the may
 scale.

This has been the case for giro payments for a while, and some
national banking systems stipulate that *all* direct debit
transactions can be rolled back for some time after the transaction.
(Lines of credit automatically enforced by banking systems already
take this into account, for obvious reasons.)

So all this isn't as bad as it may sound.  (The phone as a second
factor is an endangered species, but for other reasons.)
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Re: [cryptography] Cypherpunks

2013-07-22 Thread Tony Arcieri
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Sean Beck seanmckayb...@lavabit.comwrote:

 Does it look encrypted?


Encrypted with a virus

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