[cryptography] New mailing list for crypto politics/non-tech (Was: Cypherpunks mailing list)
I just created a new mailman list https://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptopolitics as a venue for discussions that would normally go to cypherpunks but hasn't because of the name or spam or whatever reason, and which are off topic for this list so haven't happened here. As with this list, postings allowed only by subscribers, strong attempt at automated spam control but no human moderation. Enjoy. Jack On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 07:03:04PM +0100, Adam Back wrote: Cyberpunk, cypherpunk, coderpunks... is all fine, I think people have understood the etymology of those terms after a few decades, negative connotations to some of 'punk' notwithstanding, a cypherpunk is a term for an area of interest or philosophy with a dictionary definition at this point. But my point actually was b...@al-qaeda.net??? Come on that is watch list bait and an invitation NOT to join list blah, whatever it is about. Adam On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 06:18:14PM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 05:50:18PM +0100, Adam Back wrote: Isn't exactly that a nice property of a cypherpunks list? No it is not, it is a way to persuade people to leave, or not join the listserv. We have to agree to disagree on that one. A 'punk' of any kind will tend to thumb his nose at authorities. If they consider the name annoying, so much the better. ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [cryptography] New mailing list for crypto politics/non-tech (Was: Cypherpunks mailing list)
On 2013-03-26 6:21 AM, Jack Lloyd wrote: I just created a new mailman list https://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptopolitics as a venue for discussions that would normally go to cypherpunks but hasn't because of the name or spam or whatever reason, and which are off topic for this list so haven't happened here. You don't have cryptopolitics unless the government is trying to ban stuff. Current bans focus on bitcoins and file sharing. ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [cryptography] New mailing list for crypto politics/non-tech (Was: Cypherpunks mailing list)
2013/3/25 James A. Donald jam...@echeque.com You don't have cryptopolitics unless the government is trying to ban stuff. Current bans focus on bitcoins and file sharing. To politics there is more than the destructive side. ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [cryptography] New mailing list for crypto politics/non-tech (Was: Cypherpunks mailing list)
Lodewijk andré de la porte l...@odewijk.nl wrote: To politics there is more than the destructive side. That is the funniest thing I've read in a long while. You sir don't have a drop of Cypherpunk blood in your body. -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus jamescho...@austin.rr.com jcho...@confusionresearchcenter.org rav...@ssz.com james.cho...@g.austincc.edu jchoate00...@gmail.com james.cho...@twcable.com h: 512-657-1279 w: 512-845-8989 http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center http://confusionresearchcenter.org http://arbornet.org (ravage) Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [cryptography] New mailing list for crypto politics/non-tech (Was: Cypherpunks mailing list)
Can we slowly move back to crypto on this list, and discuss politics and cypherpunk or whatever definitions on the new one? On 26.03.2013 06:19, James A. Donald wrote: Politics is collective decision making. Cypherpunk is opposed to collective decision making. Definition of POLITICS [Merriam-Webster] 1 a : the art or science of government b : the art or science concerned with guiding or influencing governmental policy c : the art or science concerned with winning and holding control over a government 2 : political actions, practices, or policies 3 a : political affairs or business; especially : competition between competing interest groups or individuals for power and leadership (as in a government) b : political life especially as a principal activity or profession c : political activities characterized by artful and often dishonest practices 4 : the political opinions or sympathies of a person 5 a : the total complex of relations between people living in society b : relations or conduct in a particular area of experience especially as seen or dealt with from a political point of view ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [cryptography] New mailing list for crypto politics/non-tech (Was: Cypherpunks mailing list)
Actually, you're both wrong. Politics is a coping strategy we inherited from our social ancestors, nothing scientific or intelligent about it - it's an emotional behavior. http://www.google.com/#hl=engs_rn=7gs_ri=psy-abcp=13gs_id=1gxhr=tq=chimpanzee+politicses_nrs=truepf=psclient=psy-aboq=chimpanzee+pogs_l=pbx=1bav=on.2,or.r_qf.bvm=bv.44158598,d.b2Ifp=14b8b13aa4492d2cbiw=1751bih=873 Moritz mor...@headstrong.de wrote: Can we slowly move back to crypto on this list, and discuss politics and cypherpunk or whatever definitions on the new one? On 26.03.2013 06:19, James A. Donald wrote: Politics is collective decision making. Cypherpunk is opposed to collective decision making. Definition of POLITICS [Merriam-Webster] 1 a : the art or science of government b : the art or science concerned with guiding or influencing governmental policy c : the art or science concerned with winning and holding control over a government 2 : political actions, practices, or policies 3 a : political affairs or business; especially : competition between competing interest groups or individuals for power and leadership (as in a government) b : political life especially as a principal activity or profession c : political activities characterized by artful and often dishonest practices 4 : the political opinions or sympathies of a person 5 a : the total complex of relations between people living in society b : relations or conduct in a particular area of experience especially as seen or dealt with from a political point of view ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus jamescho...@austin.rr.com jcho...@confusionresearchcenter.org rav...@ssz.com james.cho...@g.austincc.edu jchoate00...@gmail.com james.cho...@twcable.com h: 512-657-1279 w: 512-845-8989 http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center http://confusionresearchcenter.org http://arbornet.org (ravage) Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
