RE: PGPfreeware 8.0: Not so good news for crypto newcomers
Nicko wrote: I think this comes down to a classic time/money tradeoff. PGP 8.0 Personal edition is currently priced at $39. Even as an experienced Unix and PGP user I think that the GUI on PGP 8.0 will save me an hour of effort over the lifetime of the product, which means it saves me money in the long run. I found PGP 8.0 to be well-designed and easy to use. If all one has is time, the calculation might turn out different, but if one values ones time and likes to use PGP without hassles, I would recommend spending the money on a copy. --Lucky - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending unsubscribe cryptography to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PGPfreeware 8.0: Not so good news for crypto newcomers
Regarding GPG on OS X and Windows XP, I use OS X and XP, and have GPG installed on both. Works great in both cases, and interchangeably with the PGP 7 users that I email with (I don't personally know anyone that uses earlier versions of PGP, so I haven't tried out that exchange). It's not the easiest software to use, but it works and doesn't require knowledge of the command line. For Mac OS X, there's Mac GNU Privacy Guard http://macgpg.sourceforge.net/, which has a dead-simple binary installer. For GUI integration there's GPGKeys, which provides for key management, GPGFileTool, which provides a file encryption GUI, GPGDropThing, for drag-and-drop text encryption, and GPGPreferences for changing your GPG settings from within the System Preferences. It's unfortunate that these are separate downloads, and are not just rolled in together in the Mac GPG installer. There are also links to GPG Tools, which provides the same functionality as the PGP Tools, and plug-ins or scripts or whatever for email integration in Apple Mail, Entourage, Eudora and Mailsmith, links to all of which can be found at the bottom of the Mac GNU Privacy Guard page. The Entourage scripts work well with Entourage X; I haven't tried GPG with other email clients under OS X. For Windows XP, the installation of the GPG core is just as simple (from http://www.gnupg.org), and there's a nice freeware GUI called GPGshell http://www.jumaros.de/rsoft/index.html that includes email and Explorer integration (via a menu in the system tray), GPG Keys and GPG Tools, which offer functionality equivalent to the PGP products of similar name. GPGshell works well with Outlook; I haven't tested it with other email clients under XP. -Tom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Doe Number Two Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 5:34 PM ... For all the whining from the 'free beer' crowd, no one had bothered to make PGP/gnupg compatible with OSX and Windoze XP. Looks like PGP Inc was trying to fill a hole in the market by doing just that. ... - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending unsubscribe cryptography to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PGPfreeware 8.0: Not so good news for crypto newcomers
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:10:05 +, Nicko van Someren said: Unix and PGP user I think that the GUI on PGP 8.0 will save me an hour of effort over the lifetime of the product, which means it saves me money in the long run. As long as PGP Corp has the same assumption about the lifetime as you. Recently a lot of users made a bad experience with NAI and PGP. Nobody knows what will happen after the VC has been burnt ;-) So please have a close look at PGP that it will always comply with the OpenPGP standard and that it does not get away with proprietary and undocumented extensions again. I am confident that PGP Corp will do a much better job than NAI in this regard. Salam-Shalom, Werner - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending unsubscribe cryptography to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PGPfreeware 8.0: Not so good news for crypto newcomers
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 04:34:19PM -0600, John Doe Number Two wrote: For all the whining from the 'free beer' crowd, no one had bothered to make PGP/gnupg compatible with OSX and Windoze XP. WinPT, Windows Privacy Tray. Pretty much identical with PGPtray (except no email plugins yet), but free in every sense. http://www.winpt.org/ -- Paul In the front yard of a funeral home: Drive carefully, we'll wait. - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending unsubscribe cryptography to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PGPfreeware 8.0: Not so good news for crypto newcomers
Richard Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To my dismay, the developers of gnupg chose to embed the command line processing deep in their software, making doing a proper library-supported GUI more difficult. This was the same mistake that made PGP 2 such a bear to port, etc. I wish I had the time or skill to fix that, but the reality is I simply don't have either. There are other PGP libraries available. The Veridis Filecrypt SDK, http://www.veridis.com/products/FileCryptSDK/fcsdk.asp, is a commercial offering which uses the OpenPGP format, and my own cryptlib, http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/cryptlib/index.html, is available under the Sleepycat license (GPL or commercial, your choice). You can modify it in any way you like, although if you want to do things with it long-term, you may want to wait until the next release, I rewrote a lot of the lower-level PGP code recently. Peter. - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending unsubscribe cryptography to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PGPfreeware 8.0: Not so good news for crypto newcomers
On Monday, Dec 9, 2002, at 05:18 Europe/London, Bill Frantz wrote: At 2:34 PM -0800 12/8/02, John Doe Number Two wrote: For all the whining from the 'free beer' crowd, no one had bothered to make PGP/gnupg compatible with OSX and Windoze XP. Looks like PGP Inc was trying to fill a hole in the market by doing just that. My wife is using GPG on OS X. She has integrated with Mail in GUI mode using a package called PGPMail. She says, It seems to be working OK. (I remember spending some time helping her get it up. Knowledge of Unix shell helps.) I can also vouch for GPG on OSX and the GPGMail plug-in for the Apple Mail application works fairly well for GPG use, though not for key generation or administrative activities. I moved over to PGP 8.0 when the beta came out and while I'm no novice with these things I greatly appreciate the slick user interface (and the disc encryption that's a few times faster than Apple's) so I am now running the PGP 8.0 Personal edition rather than GPGmail. I think this comes down to a classic time/money tradeoff. PGP 8.0 Personal edition is currently priced at $39. Even as an experienced Unix and PGP user I think that the GUI on PGP 8.0 will save me an hour of effort over the lifetime of the product, which means it saves me money in the long run. Nicko - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending unsubscribe cryptography to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PGPfreeware 8.0: Not so good news for crypto newcomers
Nicko van Someren wrote: I can also vouch for GPG on OSX and the GPGMail plug-in for the Apple Mail application works fairly well for GPG use, though not for key generation or administrative activities. I moved over to PGP 8.0 when the beta came out and while I'm no novice with these things I greatly appreciate the slick user interface (and the disc encryption that's a few times faster than Apple's) so I am now running the PGP 8.0 Personal edition rather than GPGmail. I think this comes down to a classic time/money tradeoff. PGP 8.0 Personal edition is currently priced at $39. Even as an experienced Unix and PGP user I think that the GUI on PGP 8.0 will save me an hour of effort over the lifetime of the product, which means it saves me money in the long run. enigmail does a good job as well... http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ Enigmail is a plugin for Mozilla/Netscape7 Mail which allows users to access the authentication and encryption features provided by the popular GPG and PGP software (see screenshots). Enigmail is open source and dually-licensed under the GNU General Public License and the Mozilla Public License . greets jan - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending unsubscribe cryptography to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PGPfreeware 8.0: Not so good news for crypto newcomers
If PGP, Inc was going after all seventeen users of gnupg and trying to convert them, you'd be right. I have the feeling however, that the PGP crowd would actually like people to use their product. For all the whining from the 'free beer' crowd, no one had bothered to make PGP/gnupg compatible with OSX and Windoze XP. Looks like PGP Inc was trying to fill a hole in the market by doing just that. If you're running Debian Potato, have more time than money or sense, and think PGP is worthless, why consider buying it? You shouldn't: you'd be crazy to do so. If you want a product that works and is designed with mere mortals in mind, then PGP is probably for you. -JD2 Begin Fair Use quote of Pete Chown aka [EMAIL PROTECTED] written on 08.12.02 13:14 : You may have a constitutional right to use crypto software, but someone has to pay the developers. Free Speech is not the same as Free Beer. Is there really any reason to use PGP these days? PGP 2 was solid software. I've also tried all the releases from 5 to 7 and they were all full of bugs. They also didn't comply properly with the OpenPGP spec. I particularly remember PGP 6. I was developing something that generated OpenPGP packets. Gnupg was happy, PGP would die with a SEGV. I started digging into the source code to try to find out what was going on, but it was hopeless. The bloat factor had taken over, and it was impossible within my deadline to find out what its problem was, and whether the SEGV came from an exploitable buffer overrun. (Eventually I got things to work by switching encryption algorithms or something like that, I forget the details now.) I hope PGP 8 is better, but at the moment I would only recommend PGP 2 and gnupg on technical grounds. Inevitably it would be gnupg because, strangely enough, it seems to have got written in spite of the fact that it is freies Bier und freie Rede. :-) Insert the usual disclaimer here. Key ID: 0x8EF048F5 4093 Bit DH/DSS Fingerprint: CC8F 8D2C E1A3 6555 7438 B456 D00E A83C 8EF0 48F5 - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending unsubscribe cryptography to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
