[CTRL] Conrad Black vs R Murdoch? Rome vs Albion?
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: John Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 18, 1998 2:04 AM Subject: This may be of interest Conrad Black vs R Murdoch? Rome vs Albion? The Times December 17 1998 MP names Sunday Telegraph Editor as MI6 agent BY MICHAEL EVANS DEFENCE EDITOR A LABOUR MP used parliamentary privilege yesterday to name Dominic Lawson, Editor of the Sunday Telegraph, as the newspaperman alleged to have been in the pay of MI6. Brian Sedgemore, MP for Hackney South and Shoreditch, called for an investigation into whether Mr Lawson had been recruited by the Secret Intelligence Service. Mr Lawson, who is 42 today, has been Editor of the Sunday Telegraph since 1995. He said in a statement yesterday: "I am not and never have been an agent either paid or unpaid of MI6, or of any other government agency." Mr Sedgemore's comments came in a short debate ahead of what was then expected to be the start of the Christmas break today as he called for an early pledge on the Government's promise to introduce a Freedom of Information Act. The allegation that a national newspaper editor was a paid asset of MI6 has been among a number of claims reportedly made by Richard Tomlinson, the former MI6 officer dismissed in 1995. Mr Tomlinson, who subsequently served six months in prison for breaching the Official Secrets Act, did not name the editor. In the Commons, Mr Sedgemore said: "I would hope we would have some time between now and Christmas to look at the claim that Dominic Lawson, the Editor of the Sunday Telegraph, has been recruited as a paid MI6 agent. It would be very damaging for the press if it were true." The Times discovered independently which editor was being referred to as an alleged MI6 asset, and last Saturday ran a report on the allegations, without naming him. The Times also reported that Jeff Randall, the Editor of Sunday Business, had been visited by one of MI6's directors last week after his paper had run an article which also mentioned the allegation about a national newspaper editor. Mr Randall was asked to confirm that the information in the article had come from an interview with Mr Tomlinson. Mr Randall refused to help. Subsequently it emerged that Scotland Yard had begun a new investigation into whether Mr Tomlinson had committed a further breach of the Official Secrets Act. The claim that MI6 had recruited an editor has been firmly denied by Whitehall sources. The allegation centres on the time when Mr Lawson was the Editor of the Spectator between 1990 and 1995. During Mr Lawson's editorship of the magazine, a number of articles appeared under a pseudonym. Two articles appeared in 1992 under the name of Kenneth Roberts, said to be working with the United Nations in Bosnia. At the end of the articles which accused UN peacekeepers in Bosnia of being pro-Serb, there was a note that the author's real identity had been concealed at his own request. Mr Lawson was Editor when the magazine ran a scoop that Richard Gott, literary editor of The Guardian, was being paid by the KGB. The article, published on December 10, 1994, as the Conservative Government struggled to shrug off a series of allegations of sleaze made by The Guardian, claimed that Mr Gott had been recruited by the KGB in the late Seventies. Mr Gott, who had also been a leader writer, foreign correspondent and features editor of The Guardian, subsequently resigned, admitting that the Russians had paid for trips to Vienna, Athens and Nicosia "to meet their man" but he denied ever receiving money from the KGB. He claimed that was accepted by MI6. Whitehall sources have denied that the Spectator or any other newspaper had provided cover for intelligence officers to work abroad, using national press cards. They said that MI6 prohibited use of journalistic cover for operations abroad. The allegation that an editor worked for MI6 first appeared on an Internet Website in Geneva, allegedly after an interview between two Swiss journalists and Mr Tomlinson. All newspapers are covered by a High Court injunction not to report any allegations by Mr Tomlinson that are not already in the public domain. Jeremy Deedes, managing director of The Daily Telegraph, said: "It is a terrible slur against a chap to think that a journalist could keep his mouth shut for more than five minutes on anything of importance." Neither Mr Lawson, nor his proprietor, Conrad Black, chairman of the Telegraph Group, would add to the Editor's statement. The Moncktons A socialite wife with religious and royal links THE family into which Dominic Lawson married seven years ago are devout and well-connected Roman Catholics Forwarded for info and discussion from the New Paradigms Discussion List, not necessarily endorsed by: *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research (POB 20273, Ferndale, MI 48220), a ruling
Re: [CTRL] The Debate and The Media
-Caveat Lector- On Sunday, December 20, 1998 5:16 PM, Gerald Harp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: (in part) We listened to many of the speeches and to commentary following the votes on a local all news radio station. The democrats' speeches were cut up on our station just as they were for you. They often didn't make sense. (End of quote from Jerry Harp) Don't feel too cheated gang. I listened to many of the Democrat speeches IN TOTO -- and they STILL didn't make sense! Best Wishes, Jim Condit Jr. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Occult Technology of Power
http://www.brotherblue.org/libers/occultek.htm =?iso-8859-1?B?LiCpLnVybA==?=
[CTRL] World Reactions To Crazy Week
-Caveat Lector- U.S. Drama Leaves The World Bewildered Relief, Anger Felt As Airstrikes End By Charles Trueheart Washington Post Foreign Service Monday, December 21, 1998; Page A24 PARIS, Dec. 20#151;A global audience today sought to make sense of the bizarrely linked dramas emanating from Washington over the weekend. The provisional reaction was relief that the U.S. and British airstrikes against Iraq had ended after four days, mixed with lingering bitterness in many quarters that force had been used at all. The coincidence of President Clinton's impeachment at the climax of the second Persian Gulf air war only intensified the impression of the lone global superpower operating under historic duress. To the Journal de Dimanche, the only Sunday newspaper here in Paris, the political struggle in Washington was nothing short of "pitiable," with the bombings in Iraq "only adding drama to the ridiculous." To editor Alain Genestar, writing in a front-page editorial, "these days have an air of decadence, of the end of something. Already it is the end of an illusion born in the ruins of the Berlin Wall: that of a world where America would be the example of modern democracy and the guarantor of law. It is neither one nor the other." Outside the United States, the personal failings and deceptions of politicians are considered par for the course, so the spectacle of the generally admired Clinton under attack for adultery and for trying to hide it has been watched with persistent disbelief lately turned to sadness and even anguish. The vote in the House of Representatives on Saturday to impeach the president was more evidence, in many foreign eyes, of a system gone badly awry -- "the beginning of the loss of faith in the right course of American politics," in the words of Shinichi Yoshida in the Japanese daily Asahi Shimbun, or "an attempted constitutional coup d'etat by the Republicans," in the words of the left-leaning British newspaper the Observer. At the same time, Clinton's decision to punish Saddam Hussein with a bombing campaign was regarded as at best a geopolitical misjudgment and at worst a cynical effort to rescue his faltering presidency. Protesters in Paris Saturday called Clinton an "assassin," reflecting not just popular opinion in France and elsewhere in Western Europe, but echoing that in many capitals of Muslim countries. The New Sunday Times of Malaysia, in an editorial, described the Iraqi operation as "less to do with destroying the weapons of mass destruction . . . than a last-ditch attempt to stall the impeachment proceedings." There was something about the combination of events besetting Clinton that stoked a sense of pessimism about the U.S. president's future. "It's time to show Bill the door and say hello to Gore," said a flippant editorial in Britain's best-selling tabloid, Rupert Murdoch's News of the World. Columnist Max Soliven of the Philippine Star newspaper lashed out at the Republican-dominated Congress: "Stabbing an American president and commander in the back while American servicemen, sailors, aviators and marines are in the process of engaging an enemy . . . is never forgiven." Leaders found various ways to say they were happy the bombing was over, while generally reserving comment on Clinton's domestic political problems. "What's most important is that the raids have ended and that there is a cease-fire," said Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat. British Prime Minister Tony Blair, Clinton's partner in Operation Desert Fox, said it was "not right" for him to comment on the impeachment proceedings. France, Japan and Australia were among the countries whose governments coupled their relief with renewed admonitions against Saddam Hussein to become a better world citizen. "Any new provocations will not be without consequences," said German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder. One of the most stinging repudiations of the airstrikes came from Pope John Paul II. "Not only do I feel profound sorrow for the Iraqi people, but I am also bitter to see how often the hopes invested in the power and validity of international law . . . are disappointed," the pope said in his weekly Angelus speech to pilgrims in St. Peter's Square in Rome. "I say again: War has never been and will never be the right way to solve problems between nations." © Copyright 1998 The Washington Post Company Navigation Bar Navigation Bar Yellow Pages NextCard Internet Visa - Apply Now JCPenney - Special Delivery DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and
[CTRL] Clinton's Holiday Message: kill for Jesus!
-- - Forwarded Message - DATE: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:38:51 From: Blazing Star [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Arab World Protests Bombing of Iraq By Jocelyn Noveck Associated Press Writer Saturday, December 19, 1998; 6:50 p.m. EST CAIRO, Egypt (AP) -- Throwing stones, burning flags and even breaking into a U.S. ambassador's home, protesters throughout the Arab world joined Saturday in a bitter wave of anger over the airstrikes on Iraq. A common theme of the protests was that all Arabs -- not just Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein -- were targeted by the U.S. and British attacks, which President Clinton suspended in an announcement Saturday evening in Washington. ``The aggression on Iraq is an aggression on the whole Arab nation,=B4=B4 said Aziza Fadhel, a university student in the Syrian capital, Damascus. That was exactly the idea Clinton tried to fight in a message offered for broadcast in Arab countries. Saddam ``threatens Muslims and non-Muslims alike,=B4=B4 Clinton said in the videotaped message. ``We had to act.=B4=B4 The United Arab Emirates criticized the strikes for taking place during the Islamic fasting month of Ramadan. Before Clinton announced the suspension of the military action, thousands marched through downtown Damascus Saturday in a rare protest in the Syrian capital. About 1,000 people -- most of them students -- attacked the U.S. Embassy, its nearby residence and the American Cultural Center. Rioters also threw stones at the British Embassy in Damascus and broke into the British Council, where they damaged furniture and scattered library books. At the U.S. residence, more than 100 people climbed over the wall, broke down the front door and stormed inside, destroying everything in their path -- furniture, windows, the ambassador's private office. They knocked books on the floor, and destroyed kitchen cabinets and bookcases. They also attacked the car of Ambassador Ryan Crocker, shattering the lights and windows. Crocker's wife, Christine, was in the house at the time but was not hurt. At the embassy, U.S. Marine guards fired tear gas from the roof to disperse the stone-throwing crowd. Three protesters managed to enter the compound, climb the walls and haul down and burn the American flag. Syrian security forces dispersed the mobs after about six hours. In Washington Saturday, the State Department advised American citizens not to travel to Syria because the U.S. attack on Iraq could prompt retaliation and put Americans in danger. In Hebron in the West Bank, about 3,000 Palestinians defied a ban from their leadership on pro-Iraq demonstrations, screaming ``Death to Israel! Death to America!=B4=B4 Clashes later with Israeli troops firing rubber bullets left more than 100 Palestinians injured. The unrest was among the most intense in months in the Palestinian lands. In another demonstration in Jenin, about 2,500 Palestinians approached the Jewish settlement of Ginat and threw stones at Israeli troops, who responded with rubber bullets and tear gas. Seven Palestinians were injured. In Egypt, 4,000 students burned U.S. and Israeli flags at Banha University, north of Cairo, as did 200 students at Cairo's Ain Shams University. ``Oh Baghdad, Oh Baghdad, my love, strike Tel Aviv,=B4=B4 they shouted at Ain Shams. ``Iraq=B4s children have no milk for nursing, so now they=B4re sucking on bullets instead.=B4=B4 Protester Ayman Yassin, 20, called America ``the spawn of all evil.=B4=B4 In the Yemeni capital of San`a, more than 15,000 marched. ``Look, look at America, look at the scandal of Monica,=B4=B4 some chanted. In Jordan, more than 1,000 students expressed their anger at Jordanian University, where 200 riot police kept them from leaving the campus. There were also protests in Sudan, where U.S. forces in August bombed a pharmaceuticals plant Washington accused of making components for chemical weapons. In the capital, Khartoum, some students threw Molotov cocktails at the closed U.S. Embassy during a protest by about 2,000 people, witnesses said. =A9 Copyright 1998 The Associated Press Global Homeless Network provides current homeless and related news, information and announcements for charitable research and educational purposes pursuant to TITLE 17 USC =A7107: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml HOMELESS COMMUNICATIONS CENTER: http://forums.delphi.com/m/main.asp?sigdir=3Dhomelessness HOMELESS POWWOW: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CENTRAL AMERICA RELIEF DRIVE: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AHS-L LISTOWNER [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - End Forwarded Message - Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com
[CTRL] FIJA 2/2: Atty. Grant Responds to Judge Ryan
-Caveat Lector-
Summit Free Press
P.O. Box 8386
Breckenridge, CO 80424
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
November 1998
Jury Nullification is a constitutional right, attorney argues
I write in response to Judge Jeffrey Ryan recently lengthy attack
on the Fully Informed Jury Association ("FIJA") and the ideas it
promotes, which he described as "jury nullification."
The judge began by smearing FIJA with an attempt to prove "guilt by
association." After that, he attacked what FIJA promotes, jury
independence or nullification.
FIJA may be too "radical" for the judge, but FIJA's literature
promoting jury rights, they quote such historical supporters as John
Adams (2d President of the United States), Thomas Jefferson (author of
the Declaration of Independence and 3rd President), and John Jay (1st
Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court). FIJA also recounts
famous trials where juries stood up for the rights of the accused, in
defiance of tyrannical and oppressive kings, judges and prosecutors,
trials such as that of William Penn in London in 1670, of John Peter
Zenger in New York in 1735, and trials under the Fugitive Slave Act in
the 1850's. These trials helped establish freedom of religion and
assembly, freedom of the press, and the end of slavery. English juries
refusing to convict when conviction led to death helped end the "bloody
codes" of England (under which over 200 offenses were punished by
death). That's a pretty good pedigree for "jury rights," or "jury
nullification." Juries also helped end Prohibition. What part of that
history does the judge find objectionable?
FIJA literature recalls that the Anglo-American legal system has
had written guarantees of the right to jury trial since it was first
enshrined in Magna Charta, in 1215, when the barons of England forced
King John to recognize the right. King John was forced to restore to
juries the responsibilty of determining what was a crime, meaning that
juries judged the legitimacy of the King's rules, or proclamations, as
well as whether a person had violated those rules.
Our nation's founders complained bitterly that the British were
depriving Americans of the benefits of trial by jury, and included that
complaint as one of the justifications for independence listed in the
Declaration of Independence. Why did Britain fear American juries?
The reason was that Americans through juries refused to enforce
many British laws - such as the Stamp Acts, tea taxes, anti-smuggling
laws, etc. American juries also convicted British tax collectors and
inspectors of trespassing against Americans, in defiance of British law
which provided immunity for government officials. Britain was denying
Americans trial by jury because American juries were expressing
disagreement with invalid or unjust British laws. American juries were
abiding by their oaths to "well and truly try the case, and a true
deliverance make."
When our founders demanded the right to a jury trial in all
criminal prosecutions, and when they made that part of our Bill of
Rights, they were demanding a jury with the power to do justice, even if
that conflicted with the government's view of the law.
The historical role of the jury extends back more than 1000 years.
We are not taught that in our schools, and you won't read much of that
history in court opinions, either. Judges have concluded that if this
jury power ever existed, it is no longer necessary in our country, for
we no longer need fear tyrannical judges. Right.
Our system of government is a republic, based on the consent of the
people, not just the majority. We protect individuals and minorities
with constitutions and bills of rights, and with the right to trial by
jury. No one can be deprived of their life or liberty without a
unanimous verdict (except in Oregon and Louisiana) from a jury of their
peers (except for the 90% or more of all criminal defendants whose cases
are decided pre-trial, by plea bargains and such, because the risks of
trials to uninformed juries are often too great).
Over the last two centuries, our judges, lawyers, and legislators
have fallen in love with the myth that the government (rather than the
people) determines our laws and our rights. But that's a myth. The
majority may not oppress the minority. Many of our criminal statutes
are not universally accepted and such laws should not be used to deprive
people of their liberty. If cross-sectional juries were drawn from our
communities at random (no jury stacking through the jury selection
process), and if our juries were fully informed about what was going on
in the courtroom, and what harsh penalties might be imposed on
defendants if convicted, juries would be acquitting many more
defendants, sending a message to our so-called "representatives," that
many of the laws they pass are unacceptable and should be repealed.
Our constitution guarantees "trial by jury," not trial by judges.
Anyone who
[CTRL] 60 Minutes and Soros
-Caveat Lector- Did anyone else watch 60 Minutes last night? I watched in befuddlement as the reporter evaded a substantive interview by continually asking such things as What makes GS tick? Or don't you feel dishonest when you advice other countries on how to protect their economies when you speculate on those currencies the next day? People magazine goes forward with its psychobabble permeating all. Here was a rare opportunity for the average guy to hear what one of the few knowledgeable people on the global who are willing to speak has to say. CBS blew it good, possibly to give the impression that there really are no credible opinions other than the official corporate/government line. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Dems To Solve Problems By Using Symbolism
-Caveat Lector-
DEMS TO SOLVE PROBLEMS BY USING SYMBOLISM
=
(CNNS, 12/21/98) -- After Hurricane Mitch caused widespread
devastation in Central America, the Democratic Administration in
Washington, D.C. sent Tipper Gore to Honduras to symbolically
"solve" the problem. Tipper, wife of Vice-President Al Gore,
used a shovel to dig up a little dirt, and through the magic of
symbolism the suffering in Central America was greatly eased.
During "Surreal Saturday" (Dec. 19, 1998), the Democrats again
employed symbolism as their major weapon of counter-attack
against that Saturday's impeachment drama. The Dems marched out
of the House chamber, *en masse*, thereby symbolizing
disaffection from the whole process. (They later marched back
into the House, which was unavoidedly anti-symbolic.) After the
House had approved two articles of impeachment against President
Bill Clinton, the Dems symbolically rode buses (showing unity by
means of common transportation) to the White House, where they
symbolically showed major approval of Clinton by =applauding= him
subsequent to his impeachment. That evening, the Democrats
symbolically showed that they are "happy as larks" by throwing a
Christmas party in the White House.
In the days ahead, further counter-attacks utilizing symbolism
are planned and ongoing by Bill Clinton and his entourage. On
Sunday, Dec. 20th, the day after his impeachment, the president
attended church services. An Associated Press article also dated
Dec. 20th ("Clinton Begins Campaign to Salvage Presidency")
explains that, "Attending the service was the first of several
Christmas week activities designed to show the human, repentant
side of a humiliated president." Following the church service,
some unplanned anti-symbolism erupted: an angry parishioner
shouted at the beleagured president, "Damn you, for what you've
done to the nation!"
On Monday, Dec. 21st, Bill Clinton and First Lady Hillary Clinton
will symbolically erase the sufferings of the poor and homeless
by volunteering briefly at a Washington "soup kitchen," according
to the AP report already mentioned. This event will also
symbolically show what a "nice fellow" Bill Clinton is, and
thereby, implicitly, cast doubt on the credibility of his
detractors.
Later this week, Bill Clinton is to surround himself with
children, at the White House, and read Christmas stories to them.
According to the Associated Press, it is hoped that various
symbolisms showing a "compassionate" Bill Clinton will boost his
public support. This, in turn, would help derail the efforts to
remove Clinton from the White House.
However, it is thought that Republicans are working on a
symbolism event of their own. They are thought to be maneuvering
to have archetypal Christmas Eve evictor "Deputy Fred" somehow
positioned for cameras in the vicinity of the White House.
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
INFORMATION PLEASE: Conspiracy Nation News Service (CNNS) is a
co-operative effort. Without the hints/rumors provided by many
excellent sources, we could not exist. Have YOU heard anything
lately that might be important? Pass it along to us at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anonymity is guaranteed. If you prefer, send your news tip or
clues on same to: Brian Redman, 310 S. Prairie (#202),
Champaign, IL 61820. Or you can go to a pay phone and call in
your news tip: 217-356-4418.
THEY will never tell us the whole truth about what is going on.
But we, the People, working together, can find out what is REALLY
happening.
DECLARATION DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.
Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [priory-of-sion] More questions answered from Dagobert
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I understand your deception if you think that Saunière did not empty all of that famous treasure! Unfortunately, since the Philadelphes of Narbonne, through the french lodge Le Grand Orient, Napoleon Bonaparte and to finish in 1944 Otto Rahn and the SS, there might not be a lot left of that bloody treasure ! However, if you had the possibility to organize a "robbery" at the swiss bank of Von Wassilko alias Jean-Pierre François, alias Joachim Felberbaum, big friend of the regretted french president F. Mitterrand maybe you would find there some pieces of gold. This is why, I wait impatiently what will happen with the french minister Roland Dumas affair (lawsuit) since his unfortunate father Georges had the role of the "monkey that takes the soup out of the fire" (note: it means that Georges DUMAS was at the front place to get the gold in a safe place, but he regretted it later). So it would be convenient for all the fans of Rennes-le-Château, to forget a little bit this poor abbe and to analize a little bit more the biography of the general Dagobert and what really happened from November 1942 to June 1944 during the German occupation in France. It is therefore perfectly clear that, since the French Revolution, the Roman Catholic Church tried everything to take its spiritual power back in Occident. The idea to have a cameraman come to France is extremely seductive and I am sure that you would have a lot of success since last year some journalist from the french television visited me and did a try, that I have on a tape. It was about doing a report following the Das Reich from the Aude and the Oriental Pyrenees through Limoges and other locations, whose the grange of Chaillac where Raoul was supposed to hide the gold taken from the SS, during the night from the 9th to the 10th of June 1944. Roger-Rene Dagobert -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left.
Re: [CTRL] Clinton's Real Crimes
-Caveat Lector- Treason is the reason Clinton got WAY to close to the Chinese and saw to it that vital military technolgy was transferred to them. All you need are the URLs below. RC http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/t1001910.htm http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a360e77df16cf.htm http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a275197.htm http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a274879.htm http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a267206.htm http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a268829.htm http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a268859.htm http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a272171.htm http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a157457.htm http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a364a8dc1091d.htm http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a36522b662300.htm http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a269173.htm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- I do believe that Bush needed to get out of the spotlight. Also the Democractic majority of the populace demands that the Republicans allows some Demos in office, hopefully controlled, at least a controlled besmirching. It allows the Hegellian process its latitudes. Bush was there for 12 years. Through his daddy there was nixon for many more. Clinton's downfall has been well orchestrated for us, hoi polloi and inspiring elites. And look at the dept of Justice very little staff changes and what did took forever. Remember Clinton was 'partners' in Mena, etc. And I am sure that behind the scenes real deal is much different than what is presented to us hoi polloi. The hand of intell, the military and secret societies are everwhere. Just read Quigley the only guy Clinton mentioned when he got nomiated and inaugarated. He said lets stop the intrigue -kinda like The target is our Republic, Freedoms and Liberties. The arming of the populace with hatred towards other segements of the populace is following along the lines of the social dissanonce that was apparent during pre-wwII. Read the protocols, the unedited versions without all the anti-semtism and you will find laid out a very concise plan for 'taking over/ controlling the world'. John Daniel gives a very interesting history to those documents. The problem is the internet is busting that plan by removing 'the dominating voice' and has the possibilty of doing away with the controlled money systems of today. By freeing people's acces to each other and mediums of media, the social reverberations are only just beginng to be explored and understood. Info and money are two of the strongest of dominating factors used by the cryptocracy. I am sure that contingacy plans are already in place to try and use the situation for advantage of those in powerful positions. A velveta revolution? Some forms of anarchy.? The continual stacking of straws on the camel back, into cynisim and blame. Then blame goes searching for victims. The divisiveness of somethings on this list shows some of the strata and other list and boards can give you an appreciation of other very divisive issues. Each carry-on with it's folks always blaming the other. Many of the extremes seem 'staged' and I suppose they are. I mean why did the CIA pay Gloria Steinham for? And how many other of the 'social causes' are just hegellian tools to help build and codify natural divisions of age, class, etc? Once the ball is rolling it either snowballs and/or its on to next 'cause'. Om K In a message dated 12/21/98 1:56:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bush handed over the presidency to Clinton in 1992. From my observation of the campaign of 1992, George Bush was not seriously running. We also recall that Clinton was the only presidential candidate from either party to attend the Baden Baden Bilderberg conclave in 1991. Did Bush play a key role in the decision to retire him(self) as a one-term president? Doesn't seem to make sense but at the same time (in my opinion) he seemed to know the outcome of the November, '92 election long in advance. Incidentally, does anyone recall what brought Bush's poll numbers down so rapidly in the year and a half between the end of the Gulf War and that election? Jim - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Into Our Turmoil, The Prince Of Peace Descends
-Caveat Lector- Another good article about Bill's obvious "Wag the Dog" scenario. Thanks Kris. Exegesis A Compass For Moral Excellence Published Worldwide From Washington Christmas 1998 Into Our Turmoil, The Prince Of Peace Descends How does one begin to place a week like this in context? In just five days, the psychopathic Prince of Demons, assisted by his naive British sidekick, has unleashed death and destruction on Iraq and has etched himself a uniquely repugnant place in American history by being impeached, having consumed two Republican Speakers in the process. And moments after the impeachment bomb had been dropped on him, he called off the bombing of Iraq. The White House actually felt it necessary to deny that the President is "under any treatment for any psychiatric or mental condition." And to make it even more surreal, this extraordinary tumult has been played out to the strain of familiar Christmas carols. Washington has never seen a day like Saturday, December 19. Bill Clinton had spent Friday evening alone. He had declined the Democratic National Committee's idea of throwing an eve of impeachment party. Instead he decided to bomb Iraq again, while Hillary went to a party. In the morning, he had an early national security briefing and less than an hour before the impeachment debate was due to resume, he planned another bombing raid, being meticulously careful not to infringe on the Holy month of Ramadan. After all, we wouldn't want to offend the Arabs by bombing them on a holy day. Hundreds were killed in the Basra barracks as they lay in their beds, but surely no reasonable person could possibly be offended by being annihilated on an ordinary day. Clinton's plan never to even mention his impeachment was thwarted when the Speaker-elect, Bob Livingston dropped his resignation bombshell on the floor of the House. Clinton was stunned. He immediately dispatched a member of the White House staff to the Capitol to persuade Livingston to change his mind, a hopeless task given his reputation for decisiveness. He had dared to take up the Democrats' oft-repeated challenge: let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Mr. Livingston had indeed sinned but had now come clean with his adulterous past, thus now possessing the poise and the power to cast a stone right in Mr. Clinton's direction. The story had been broken on Thursday evening by ABC Presenter Cokie Roberts, herself the daughter of a former House Majority Leader. Interestingly, she broke into the so-called 'World News Tonight', to reveal the "breaking story" yet confessed she had been briefed about it by a White House official two weeks earlier. The story was researched by Larry Flynt, a notorious pornography publisher who had advertised in the socialist Washington Post, offering a million dollars to anyone who could dredge up dirty secrets about currently serving politicians. The President of the United States utilizing the services of a pornographer to further his sleazy ambitions? What strange bedfellows, one might think. There again, in this case, perhaps not. When you add that piece of information to the revelation, now confirmed by several Pentagon officials, that the bombing of Iraq was deliberately started 16 hours before the impeachment debate and ended two hours after it finished, you begin to understand the dimensions of the deception. As ever, the secret to understanding the machinery of life in Washington lies in possessing the ability to join up the dots. Try to imagine the dissonant scene in the Oval Office. It is a few days before Christmas; the place is all decked out, this time we trust without the erotic toys which had previously adorned the White House Christmas Tree. The President sits alone, deserted by most of his friends, bombing a distant land. The First Lady is alienated from him: Bill Clinton has served her primary purpose, to act as a springboard from which she may propel herself to power. As he sat alone in the most powerful office in the world awaiting his impeachment a few hours later, she was out and about in Georgetown, enjoying the Christmas festivities, a poignant situation that perfectly illustrates the true nature and condition of their relationship. Worse, while his impeachment is in progress, he is obliged to be chaste. Thus during the temporary absence of interns, prostitutes or lovers, he unleashed his misguided, demonic macho in a hail of bombs. He spent some $500 million dropping over 400 Cruise missiles on Iraq, killing civilians and soldiers alike. If Monica was not available to soothe his desires, he reasoned that the next best alternative was to bomb Baghdad and Basra. As one wag put it, he was caught between Iraq and a hard place. Presumably he could justify it in his own deranged mind by insisting that Saddam Hussein had refused t DECLARATION DISCLAIMER
[CTRL] Iraqiana: 12-21
-Caveat Lector- From ArabicNews.CoM Report: Iraqi officers executed; rebellion in al-Rashid camp Iraq, Politics, 12/21/98 A statement by the higher council of the Islamic revolution in Iraq of which the London-based al-Hayat daily had a copy told of the execution of several army officers in the Iraqi army and confrontations that took place on Friday inside al-Rashid camp in Baghdad. The statement accused Ali Hassan al-Majeed, former Iraqi defense minister who was on Wednesday appointed as general commander of the southern district of "giving his orders to execute a group of army officers, including the commander of Contingent 11 which has the city of al-Amara as a headquarters, because he opposed measures aimed at preventing a popular uprising." The statement noted the execution of a group of "officers and assistants of contingent inside the camp without investigation and the execution of five army officers." The statement also noted that armed confrontations took place inside the camp on Friday morning and "special army units broke into the rebellious unit in al-Rashid camp and took five officers who were immediately shot to death inside the camp. Aziz: They killed UNSCOM Iraq, Politics, 12/21/98 The Russian ambassador in Cairo, Vladimir Godiev, announced that Egypt and Russia agreed during consultations that took place between the two countries' foreign ministers in the last few days on ending the Iraqi crisis. They stressed the importance of reconsidering of the work style of UNSCOM, the UN organization in charge of Iraq's disarmament from weapons of mass destruction, and linking the supervision operations in the future with a timetable for lifting the sanctions from Iraq. Godiev called for removing United Nations' chief weapons inspector, Richard Butler and for UNSCOM adjusting its work style to perform its mission without politics. Russia strongly condemned Richard Butler for his most recent report to the UN that the US said was proof of Iraqi non-compliance and the reason for the recent military strikes against Iraq. United Arab Emirates Defense Minister Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid al-Maktoum said that Butler's return has become impossible, stating that the missiles launched at Iraq and its people destroyed the Iraqis' trust in UNSCOM, making it impossible for Butler to return to Iraq. But Iraq's Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz today was plain as he said that the US and the UK "killed UNSCOM" by their strikes putting an end to the fate of this organization. He said they killed 62 Iraqi soldiers and wounded 180 by their "4 days of intensive bombings" with advanced missiles. Aziz said about the future that "we shall never accept any conditions made by Clinton or by Blair, " adding that they acted according to the law of the jungle. Aziz said that the attack reminded him of the statement of Former Secretary of State James Baker who told him in 1991 "we will bring you back to the preindustrial age" referring to the bombing of the Iraqi industrial sites. Aziz said that all the sites struck had been under UNSCOM monitoring and "had been inspected by them hundreds of times." The presence of UNSCOM had been one of the main policy foundations of containing Iraq according to US National Security Advisor Sandy Berger. There is early evidence that the lack of UNSCOM's return will force a reevaluation by the US on how to contain Iraq in light of these new developments. Saddam Hussein praises his people; regional reaction Iraq, Politics, 12/21/98 Iraqi President Saddam Hussein called on the Iraqi people in a speech in which he praised them for confronting the attacks and achieving victory over the country's enemies, describing the British and the Americans as the "enemies of God." A statement released by the Iraqi Army on Sunday said that Iraqi defense forces downed 21 missiles out of 81 dropped by the American and British forces on Saturday night. The statement added that the missiles targeted "residential areas, governmental buildings, intermediate studying institutes, hospitals, factories, refineries and several army military units." According to Iraqi military statements, the number of missiles fired against Iraq increased to 121. The official authorities had not by Sunday night announced the final number of victims of the air strikes, but an unofficial count estimated that 73 people were killed, most of them civilians. The Iraqi people celebrated the halt of the US - British shelling and marched in demonstrations in which they condemned US President Bill Clinton and his recent actions. Baghdad radio began yesterday to broadcast national songs of the victory of Iraq and Iraqi heroism under the leadership of President Saddam Hussein in confronting the US - British attacks. However, Iraqi radio did not announce the halt of US - British raids and continued to broadcast programs for general mobilization to confront these raids. Meanwhile, Egyptian Foreign Minister Amr Moussa, said on
Re: [CTRL] Dodi, Di,Barrantes Allen J.Pakula
-Caveat Lector-
On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, Hilary Thomas wrote:
I think you are talking about Jessica Savage.
Yes, thank you...that is exactly who I was thinking of...
I could picture her in my mind, but the mind shut down when coming up
with a name...
June
|
-=*=-
(| (} |
|/||\{\
| || ___o /|/_
jgs | || X--X |__\
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ASCII Art Gallery
http://www.ascii-art.com
*---*
revcoal AT connix DOT com
*---*
It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email
address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of
$500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial
email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these
terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive
unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial
email.
**
DECLARATION DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.
Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Om
