[CTRL] Skeptic News Tuesday #2
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990209b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # School Sued Over Witchcraft Ban. DETROIT (Reuters) - A suburban Michigan high school could be in for toil and trouble after it was sued for blocking a honor student from practicing her religion - witchcraft. Lincoln Park High School, located in a blue-collar community south of Detroit, was sued in US District Court in Detroit by the ACLU for not allowing 17-year-old senior and witch Crystal Siefferly to wear a pentacle, a symbol important to her Wicca religion. http://nt.excite.com/news/r/990209/17/odd-witchcraft : What's your favorite religious/mystical symbol? Is it worth suing over? Would you rather call down supernatural punishment on those slighting you? Can mainstream news orgs distinguish between witchcraft and Wicca? Why not? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # DEBUNKING INTERNET HEALTH ALARMS. An e-mail campaign attacking an arti- ficial sweetener has been spreading fear fast. The scare du jour is over claims that aspartame, sold under such brand names as NutraSweet, causes MS or another disease, lupus. The Food and Drug Administration says this is false information, and Internet health information experts have been trying to track the author of the email hoax. Lies, damned lies, and Net postings - http://www.healthcentral.com/news/newsfulltext.cfm?ID=9072 # ASPARTAME HOAX, CONTINUED. TIME magazine debunks the e-mail attack on aspartame by using good old investigative journalism. The e-mail barrage against aspartame makes various negative claims and the Time writer checked each one out. What she discovered was they were indeed unsubstantiated or downright bogus. SO: If you get e-mail that either debunks or promotes various drugs or food supplements, dont take them seriously. Go to reputable sources and research the substance. See http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=9272 : How do you evaluate information? Do you listen to experts, debunkers, the voices in your head, divine messengers, everything on TV, your mother, me? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Tourists offered a peek at nuclear labs, planes. BEIJING (Reuters) China is to allow tours of the military research base which developed its first atomic and hydrogen bombs. Two defense research centers in southwestern Sichuan province are to be opened to guided tourist visits. The Engineering Physical Research Institute will give tourists a look at "the real thing, atomic bombs minus their detonators, and videotaped explosions of the devices". Boom boom - http://nt.excite.com/news/r/990208/16/odd-nuclear : Would you like to tour nuke labs? Are these real thing, or disinformation? Would you visit a nuclear theme park? Would you send relatives? Which ones? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Hubble Images Suggest Planet Origins In Stardust. WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Murky disks of dust that block out strips of light from six baby stars could indicate embryonic planets within solar systems far larger than our own, Hubble Space Telescope scientists said. The HST snapped images of the half- dozen newborn stars and their accompanying disks of dust in the constella- tion Taurus, giving astronomers specific data about these putative planet- breeding phenomena. http://nt.excite.com/news/r/990209/13/news-hubble @ And: Windows to the Universe: http://www.windows.umich.edu/ # Vast stellar disks set stage for planet birth in new Hubble images: http://www.flatoday.com/space/today/020999f.htm # Stardust to Planets - Latest Photographs from Hubble: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/protoplanet990209.html # Rings Are Evidence of Far-Flung Planets: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/circumstellar990108.html # Planet Forming Out in the Dust: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/dustcloud980909.html # Star With Planet Has Disk, Too: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/stardisk981021.html # Star Gives Birth to Planet: http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/newplanet0108/index.html : Would races in bigger solar systems build bigger Dyson spheres? Why not? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Health NewsShorts: Nature vs. Nurture # UNFOCUSED PERSONALITY TIED TO EARLY DRUG USE. Children who have difficul- ties focusing on long-term goals are at higher risk for illicit drug use during early adolescence than other youngsters, a multinational team says. See http://www.healthcentral.com/news/newsfulltext.cfm?ID=9360 # SOCIAL FORCES PLAY LARGE ROLE IN HEALTH. Although gene discoveries and new infections receive more attention, social forces "remain the most important determinants of health," according to a report published this week in The Lancet. Now that many physical ailments are treatable or preventable, the research team believes that "an assault must be
[CTRL] Mind Control program on CBC
-Caveat Lector- http://www.tv.cbc.ca/undercurrents/ The Feb. 7 Undercurrents show had a segment on mind control. Nick Begich demonstrates the neurophone. Soviet mind control expert Igor Smirnov is interviewed and reveals that the FBI wanted him to destabilize the situation at Waco to end the standoff. He told them it would take him ten days to set up his equipment, but after 3 days the FBI decided to destabilize the situation themselves so he never got to try it out. I don't have a frames capable browser so I don't know how much of the program will be available at the web site. The program will probably be reshown in the summer and may also be available on CBC Newsworld (I don't have cable either). http://www.tv.cbc.ca/fifth/history.shtml Somebody wanted to know about Disney? There is a 3MB video on how Disney created the legend of lemmings throwing themselves off cliffs by stampeding the critturs. Gerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] It's true that abortion is legal but, hey, so was the Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- It's true that abortion is legal but, hey, so was the Holocaust Published in The Orlando Sentinel, Feb 7 1999 By Charley Reese Commentary Some female columnist was screaming that violence directed against abortion clinics is domestic terrorism. Her whining is a good example of feminists' lack of logic. In building her case, she quotes Bill Clinton's wife as saying that in the past 10 years there had been seven killings, 38 bombings, 146 arsons and 733 instances of vandalism directed at abortion providers. She neglected to say, of course, that during the same 10 years abortionists killed more than 10 million children. One would think one would wish to keep matters in perspective. But perspective is the last thing a special pleader wants. She tries to assert that the handful of crimes committed during a 10-year period constitutes a campaign of domestic terrorism. That's balderdash. Take, for example, seven killings during a 10-year period. Homicides in the United States run on average from 18,000 to 22,000 per year. Abortionists certainly run no greater risk of getting whacked than normal people do. But what about those 146 cases of arson during a 10-year period? Well, in one typical year, say 1994, 17,000 Americans were arrested on a charge of arson and 260,000 on a charge of vandalism. In other words, violence directed at abortion clinics is greatly exaggerated. It amounts to a mere pittance in the annual toll of criminal behavior in our diverse, multicultural paradise. Then she screams, "Hey, abortion is legal!" Well, so was the Holocaust. The Nazis violated no German laws in killing people during World War II. In fact, if a guard at a death camp killed an inmate on his own, he was subject to courtmartial and punishment. You see, whatever the Nazis wanted to do, they authorized it by passing laws. The point being that mass murder can be made legal. The Nazis made mass murder legal during the Holocaust, and the U.S. Supreme Court made mass murder legal in Roe vs. Wade. In fact, they both used the same logic by depriving those earmarked for death of personhood. To say something is legal is to say only that it has the stamp of approval of the current government in power. It is not to say that it is morally right, humane or good. Governments can make evil legal and do it all the time. It gives one great pause to reflect that the difference between being a non-person with no right to life, marked by law for death, and being a human being with the right to life boiled down to a few birth contractions and a trip of a few inches down the birth canal. It's as if the law, in its great politicized wisdom, said it's OK to kill your children if you do it before they can get out of the nursery, but once they crawl across the threshold into another room, you can't kill them. It seems to me that legalized killing of children, commonly called abortion, is only one of the parallels between post-modern America and the Germany that gave birth to Nazism. We have the same decadence, the same militant defense of decadence by so-called intellectuals, the same trend toward authoritarianism, the same disregard of human life, the same unwillingness to make moral judgments. Oswald Spengler, in his book, Decline of the West, projected that the 1990s would mark the transition between the Age of Money, marked by the dominance of great cities and greed, to the Age of Caesars, a return to dictatorships. The ideological fanaticism of abortion-supporters leads me to believe that the old gentleman may prove correct in his predictions. -- "The fundamental basis of this nation's law was given to Moses on the Mount. The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teaching we get from Exodus and St. Matthew, from Isaiah and St. Paul. I don't think we emphasize that enough these days. If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally end up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in the right for anybody except the state." -President Harry S. Truman ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Patriot Resource Center: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6627/ **Live Free or Die!** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
[CTRL] Another Chinese strategic coup
-Caveat Lector- TUESDAY FEBRUARY 09 1999 Charles Smith is a journalist and President of SOFTWAR, a computer security company based in Richmond, VA. He writes frequently on issues of national security and information warfare. -- Another Chinese strategic coup COSTIND, a Chinese army unit known for its successful penetration of the Clinton White House, has scored another big success. In 1997, Ge Hunbiao, the People's Liberation Army general and political commissar of COSTIND, quietly signed a treaty obtaining the Pacific island of Tarawa as a PLA satellite tracking and control station. The new Chinese army base was declared fully operational in January 1999. The position of Tarawa will allow China to monitor U.S. ballistic missile and anti-ballistic missile (ABM) tests just 500 miles north in the Kwajalein Test Range. According to the General Accounting Office, "COSTIND" -- the Chinese Commission of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense -- "oversees development of China's weapon systems and is responsible for identifying and acquiring telecommunications technology applicable for military use." The Tarawa ground-based optical and radar-tracking system is far more powerful than any system currently deployed at sea. The base allows PLA forces to monitor and track U.S. ballistic missile tests in the south Pacific test ranges without the expense of forward-deployed Chinese navy tracking vessels. The station also allows China to monitor U.S. forces in the Pacific region. This capability includes military signals intercepts, communications with PLA recon and ferret satellites, and target acquisition for Chinese anti-satellite (A-SAT) systems such as ground-based lasers. A ground-based laser could be installed on Tarawa to give the PLA a quick strike capability to shoot down or disable all U.S. military satellites in time of war over the Pacific. However, a laser may not be required to deny U.S. space assets from a Tarawa base. The PLA could also use simple "barrage" radio jamming or high-power microwave transmitters to disable U.S. satellites with existing equipment at the site. The base already allows the PLA to track U.S. fleet operations via signal intercepts from Navy battle groups. Any major U.S. response to hostile acts in the Asian region will require the immediate deployment of U.S. carrier naval forces. These forces will either come across the Pacific or through the Indian Ocean. The Tarawa base allows direct signals intercepts and tracking of U.S. Navy forces in the mid-Pacific area. The PLA Tarawa base may also provide significant sonar and radio emission signals intelligence to track U.S. submarine forces, including the "Ohio" class of Trident missile boats which deploy from the Pacific coast of Washington state. Secure fiber-optic cable systems attached to microphones on the Pacific sea floor surrounding the Tarawa atoll group may pick up undersea activities for hundreds of miles. The Tarawa signals intercept capability includes "traffic" analysis, a form of information warfare that does not need sophisticated decoding systems to determine U.S. intentions and military reactions. However, breaches of secure code systems (e.g. John Walker) could allow PLA forces to decipher messages in real time from U.S. satellites and military forces. Tarawa's mid-Pacific location is perfect for "cooking." A PLA ability to decode U.S. military messages combined with high-speed U.S. built computers may give the PLA the ability to intercept, decode and ALTER American military communications in real-time. This capability is called "cooking" in information warfare terms. Such a capability would put all U.S. forces at grave danger of a Chinese first strike. The base currently controls Chinese satellites in orbit. This capability can include missiles or thermonuclear warheads in flight through space. The PLA capability includes secure correction/control of first strike nuclear warheads intended to destroy strategic missiles and B-2 bombers on the American continent. Based on the position of the satellite station in Tarawa the logical military deployment would be for China to build a similar A-SAT site in the far western provinces (e.g. Kazakhstan). Two A-SAT sites, one in the Pacific and one along the western border, provides 100 percent PLA denial of U.S. space forces covering the far-Asian areas of conflict (e.g. Sea of China, Sea of Japan, Yellow Sea and Sea of Okhotsk). The center of PLA A-SAT military operations, in geographic terms, is Taiwan. COSTIND, the Chinese Army unit responsible for the successful deployment on Tarawa, has a long history of anti-American espionage operations including penetrations of the Clinton White House. President Clinton personally authorized LORAL Aerospace CEO Bernard Schwartz to meet with a COSTIND General. In August 1994, Schwartz accompanied Ron Brown on the Presidential Business Development Mission trade trip to China. At the behest of
[CTRL] Skeptic News Tuesday #3
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990209c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Sects deny involvement in suicides. Ordinary Russians are struggling to come to terms with the deaths of three young girls who jumped out of an eighth floor window in an apparent suicide pact. 'Splat' all over - see http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_276000/276421.stm # Also: Moscow seeks ban on Jehovah's Witnesses: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_276000/276135.stm Jehovah's Witness lawsuit tests Russia's religious freedom: http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9902/09/russia.religion/index.html President of Seventh-day Adventist Church steps down http://www.cnn.com/US/9902/09/PM-Adventist-Resignation.ap/index.html @ Links: Russian Orthodox Church: http://www.russian-orthodox-church.org.ru/en.htm @ The CIA World factbook - Russia: http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rs.html @ Russia Today: http://www.russiatoday.com/ : Does your sect promote suicide? Would you admit it? Is Russia a good place to grow sects? Sects, sects, sects - is that all you monks think about? Why? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # IS THE "BETTER LOVER" STUDY BIASED AGAINST CIRCUMCISION? Some women in the study were recruited via magazine ads and responded to ads from anti-circum- cision publications, so, yes, there may be a bias. Find the study on this site by searching "better lover" or "circumcision" and see what you think. Here: http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=9283 : Was circumcision introduced to humans by Reptilioids, Zeta Reticulans, Alpha Draconians, your favorite deity, proto-Illuminati, sadists? Why? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ COMPUTER PSYCHOTECHNOLOGIES. Psychotechnologies are high-level computer technologies, providing one with the possibility of diagnosis and correction of mental (psychic) and physical state of the subject by the way of direct testing his/her subconscious sphere. Psychotechnologies give the possibility of diagnosing the reasons for many psychic and somatic disfunction and to initiate the process of their correction. http://www.psycor.ru/english.htm : Do you want computers poking around in your subconscious? Do they already? What do they find there, if anything? Do you want to be corrected? Why not? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # GENETIC ENGINEERING PRODUCES LOW-LACTOSE MILK. Researchers have genetic- ally engineered mice that produce milk low in lactose, the sugar molecule that upsets the stomach in an estimated 70 percent of adult milk drinkers. Swallow http://www.healthcentral.com/news/newsfulltext.cfm?ID=9081 : Would you drink low-lactose mouse milk? How many mice do you need to milk to get a useful amount? Will giant cloned mutant mice replace cows someday? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Why Beer is Better than God: - You can prove you have a Beer. - There are laws saying Beer labels can't lie to you. - You don't have to wait 2000+ years for a second Beer. - Nobody's ever been burned at the stake, hanged, or tortured over their brand of Beer. - When you have a Beer, you don't knock on people's doors trying to give it away. - They don't force Beer on minors who can't think for themselves. - No Beer has ever caused a major war. - Beer doesn't tell you how to have sex. - No one will kill you for not drinking Beer. - If you've devoted your life to Beer, there are groups to help you stop. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ *** Pakistan arrests 24 Sunni militants. MULTAN, Pakistan (AP) - A Shiite Muslim leader accused Pakistan of supporting extremist Islamic groups fight- ing in Afghanistan and Indian-ruled Kashmir. Police, meanwhile, arrested 24 radical Sunni activists linked with recent slayings of 5 Shiite Muslims. Extremist Sunni and Shiite Muslims are locked in a bloody conflict that has killed hundreds of people in Pakistan over the last few years. The religious violence has intensified in recent months, especially in Punjab province, the home of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. The Sunni Muslim parties want Pakistan to be declared a Sunni Muslim state - a demand opposed by Shiites. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558388505-c24 : Which of your co-religionists wouyld you like to kill? Would you kill to live in a theocracy? Would you kill to live in Disney World? In Graceland? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ *** Ex-India army chief dies. NEW DELHI (AP) K. Sundarji, the former Indian army chief who led the deadly 1984 raid on the Golden Temple, Sikhism's holiest shrine, died Monday of colon cancer at age 69. Sundarji's role in the storming of the Golden Temple, which according to unofficial estimates left 3,800 people dead in the northern town of Amritsar, haunted him after he retired. He was on the hit list of Sikh separatists who succeeded in killing other officers involved in the
[CTRL] U.S. Military Conducting TOXIC Biological-Chemical Warfare Against Civilians
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:12:45 EST To: John Hammell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copies to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:SNET: U.S. Military Conducting TOXIC Biological-Chemical Warfare Against Civilians Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - SNETNEWS Mailing List (sent to USCMike1's 29,959+ readers - please repost to your own mailing lists) "U.S. Military Conducting TOXIC Biological-Chemical Warfare Against Civilians" U.S. feds well on their way to reducing population to further New World Order goals! Dear Citizens, Patriots, and Veterans: For the past 3 weeks I have been receiving first hand reports of U.S. Military jets spraying toxic substances over populated urban areas testing the effectiveness of their biological and chemical warfare protective suits and monitoring equipment. The substances are SUPPOSEDLY "harmless" simulants which have extremely toxic effects of their own. To date, literally thousands of civilians have been made very sick mostly with respiratory illnesses and distress and even scores of deaths. The military has deceived the public and other authorities by saying that what they are spraying are harmless simulants while in actuality they are really conducting chemical and biological warfare with weapons of mass destruction under the guise of meerly a "test." Yes, a test, to see how many people will be made ill, contract respiratory diseases, and how many die. So, do you call that at "test" or actual warfare? We do not have to wait any longer for Clinton to antagonize the Middle Eastern countries to the point of them lashing out with international terrorists against U.S. cities and U.S. citizens, as Clinton is doing what he is told to do by the Insiders, the Elites, the bosses of the Illuminati and New World Order. As I posted to you all numerous times in the past, if Clinton can't get the Islamics to attack the U.S. then Clinton will just go ahead himself and do it. That is exactly what he is doing now. Citizens, Patriots, and Veterans, no need to wait for these NBC - Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical warfare attacks against us because they have been going on for quite some time now. Why? Because the New World Order's Elites' plan is to reduce the population of the world by 25% by the year 2000 (Y2K is truly an appropriate crisis), 50% by 2025, 75% shortly after that, and by 85% to 95% as a final goal to leave only 200 million people alive world wide. Of course these surviving people will only be comprised of the Elites and their prison labor slaves incarcerated in Clinton's Civilian Concentration Camps here in the U.S. and in other concentration camps around the world. Why? Because the Elites want to "save" the world's natural resources for themselves. They don't want other people using them as they think our resources are running out when in actuality all we have to do is use our technology to use them more efficiently and produce replaceable natural resources. Like why use up our finite petroleum resources when we can use bacteria and yeasts to grow on discarded organic matter to produce alcohol for fuels? England has had 6,000 deaths in the past two weeks from respiratory failure caused by this Military spraying currently. Please read the following post forwarded by [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hammell) and by William Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] regarding the information from Leanard Cole's "Clouds of Secrecy: The Army's Germ-Warfare Tests Over Populated Areas," by Leonard A. Cole (http://amazon.com) and from numerous personal reports nationwide about the criss-cross spraying by our U.S. Military. Please take care and prepare. The NBC attacks against U.S. Citizens are occurring NOW. USCMike1 Subj:DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS:BIOWAR PROVEN BEYOND ANY SHADOW OF DOUBT Date: 2/9/99 3:18:51 PM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hammell) IAHF LIST: I have hesitated, until now, to forward this information about contrails, because it seemed just too bizarre and outrageous. But look at the information below from Christine Smith, Will Thomas, and Ian Goddard. Listen to the audio file of Will Thomas discussing this on the Art Bell Show, and read what Will has to say below. Read the testimony below of Dr.Cole from Rutgers University re Military Experiments involving spraying of toxic substances on civilion populations. Draw your own conclusions. This is Genocide, and WE, the people of the world, are clearly being targetted. You think I've lost it? Don't take my word for it, read this: Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:46:03 -0800 (PST) To: John Hammell [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: William Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: TAKE COVER IMMEDIATELY John, A retired friend in Santa Fe--one who reads your information that I print out, but doesn't have a computer--just called me to
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- its always amazed me that Bill can treat women like ash trays and still have the Fem support he does. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] phone calls-
-Caveat Lector- if u missed it the first time, all u need for free(only cost is your monthly fee to your server) long distance calls is a computer with a sound card,and modem, speakers, a microphone and FREE software from www.tribal.com -- you sound like you are on a speaker phone, but it is free. pass it on!(as you will be calling to the receivers phone, only YOU need this stuff)-beat the system! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- "Brown, Jeremy" wrote: -Caveat Lector- " Have to agree with you there Pru. I don't know about JBrown, but where i come from Oral sex and mutual masturbation is not exactly Bestiality or Incest!!" You see, it's this type of slow-wittedness that keeps this discussion from reaching a logical end. The fact that you cannot grasp the point I was trying to make is painfully evident in your cheap shot at me. Let me try to explain this to you. WHAT the president did is neither here nor there. WHO he did it with is the issue. Did that totally go over your head? Hey, I wouldn't even care if he got into bestiality, as you so wittily stated. That's his own business. The fact that he got involved with an EMPLOYEE of his who is HALF HIS AGE is disturbing. Please, let's keep this discussion on the right track. *** It may disturb me also if I were not his age. But since I am, I can't fault him so greatly for that. But this is not about whether or not older men should have sex with younger women, it is about whether or not the President of the United States can force himself upon an employee, lie in depositions related to a subsequent law suit stemming from this, and use his powers as president to try to influence the case. If you agree that he should be able to do this, then you do not favor his impeachment. If you think that he should not do this, then you must favor his impeachment or we have some sort of double standard. Unless, of course, you believe men should be allowed this power over women. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- Liz Schumacher wrote: -Caveat Lector- its always amazed me that Bill can treat women like ash trays and still have the Fem support he does. I agree, Liz it truly makes no sense at allBarley DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, but it IS sexual harassment in the workplace... No June it is not. I don't care how they define sexual harassment these days. I've experience it, and I know how it makes you feel. Yes, we've heard your claims about how you've had to beat off all employers and male coworkers with a club, they couldn't resist you... But sexual harassment still exists even when both parties 'consent'... just ask the OTHER employees who get passed over for promotion because some chippy unqualified for the job gets it because she gave the boss head. A woman who 'consents' to a sexual relationship with her boss because that is the only way to get good raises and gain promotions is being sexually harrassed... June === "To love another person is to see the face of God." -Les Miserables === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Especially since it's been documented that on at least two occasions, he couldn't put aside his sexual appetite long enough to conduct the business the public elected him to do and for which we pay his salary, to whit keeping Yassar Arafat cooling his heels in the Rose Garden while Billy was entertained by Monica's 'cigar dance', and discussing sending troops to Bosnia with various congressman while Monica was going down on him... Definitely sounds like someone who has problems realizing what priorities are... Sounds like someone's fantasy to me. This stuff is still in the area of unproven anything. It's Lewinsky's CORRABORATED testimony, which Clinton has admitted DID happen... Besides, it pales next to the stuff that Kennedy and Johnson did. What past presidents did DOES NOT MATTER...what matters is what we do about the slimeball currently in office. June === "To love another person is to see the face of God." -Les Miserables === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CTRL] Fw: [FAIR-L] ACTION ALERT: MSNBC's NewLi...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-02-09 17:33:50 EST, you write: You've never heard it suggested that it was a coup? I have heard that theory on numerous occasions. Nixon? No, honestly. Never. But now I know that theory is out there. Subversive means? It was he that initiated the problem with Paula Jones. It was he that lied in testimony in a deposition in the subsequent sexual harassment case. It was he who used his position of power to influence the case. The discussion began about a coup in general. That this one would be based on subversive means is my opinion. **SIGH** I'm already on a poltical discussion list and I'm tired of this issue. I didn't expect to find it on a conspiracy list, and yet haven't been able to let everything slide by. If you want to understand subversive.look at Richard Mellon Scaife and the Arkansas Project. Examine Starr's job-in-waiting at Pepperdine, examine Starr's conflicts of interests (which he failed to point out, when asked, before his appointment.) Look at Ted Olsen's involvement, and then watch his "talking head wife" spin on news shows and on and on.ad nauseum. Why did Starr approach James Carville in an airport and "spout a shameful tirade" against the President and tell him, "Your boy's getting rolled" in 1993, before Starr was even appointed as IC? As for Paula Jones' version of events, I simply don't believe them. As for his influencing the casethe Judge dismissed the case even assuming all her allegations were true. Are you concerned about Starr's alleged solicitation of perjury and obstruction of justice in the GM case? 60 Minutes just did a segment on it. Or is that just "liberal media claptrap?" Is outrage at Clinton blind? Or does the "moral purity" standard apply to everyone? Sheesh. There are none so blind ... If Clinton is impeached and Gore takes over as president and then the Senate refuses to approve his choice, then you might have a point. Otherwise, you are just making suppositions. Howard Davis ** Howard.that MUST be why I used so many "IFS." Any speculation about the future is just that -- specualtion. Clinton's apointments have been unconscionably delayed. I "suppose" the appointment of a VP, should the need arise, would be delayed, too. **SIGH** Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CTRL] Fw: [FAIR-L] ACTION ALERT: MSNBC's NewLineup:Same...
-Caveat Lector- Samatha 'Smith' wrote: Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: [FAIR-L] ACTION ALERT: MSNBC's "New" Lineup: Same... Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:58:14 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 99-02-08 16:04:26 EST, you write: In the Nixon case, Gerald Ford was his replacement and he was not elected even as vice-president. I don't remember this being an issue. My understanding is that if Gore becomes president a new vice-president would be appointed. In Ford's case, Nelson Rockefeller was appointed to replace him. So, we had a vice president and a president who both had been appointed and not elected to their offices. And one was a Rockefeller! Howard Davis The issue of overturning an election is a serious one. The Nixon impeachment had bipartisan support and the support of the public. I've never heard it suggested it was a coup. *** You've never heard it suggested that it was a coup? I have heard that theory on numerous occasions. The question here is whether or not impeaching Clinton could be considered a coup de etat. The argument made being that Gore would become President and it wouldn't be a coup. I disagree. Overthrowing an elected President by subversive means, whether or not a political ally would then become President is still a coup, in my opinion. *** Subversive means? It was he that initiated the problem with Paula Jones. It was he that lied in testimony in a deposition in the subsequent sexual harassment case. It was he who used his position of power to influence the case. Isn't it true that the Senate had to approve Rockefeller's appointment as VP? If so, as we've seen with judgeships and cabinet posts, approval of Clinton appointees has repeatedly been delayed. If the approval process were delayed long enough for "something to happen" to Gore, the Speaker would become President. After seeing that there is no point BELOW which the President's enemies will not go to regain the WH, I wouldn't put anything past them. They can't seem to "earn it the old-fashioned way" and, having no honor whatsoever, will beg, borrow, slander and steal to have it back. Samantha *** If Clinton is impeached and Gore takes over as president and then the Senate refuses to approve his choice, then you might have a point. Otherwise, you are just making suppositions. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, "Howard R. Davis III" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's interesting that so many have argued that Clinton should not be impeached just because he committed a couple of felonies, but you can suggest that Reagan should have because he had a poor memory. Indeed he should have, as should any president who can no longer function in office; there was plenty of other stuff with which Reagan could have been impeached, also Bush... *** I agree that there may have been other stuff, especially with Bush. However, I just don't know that Reagan clearly demonstrated incompetence. But then I was not around him at the time. But just because THEY weren't, is no reason Clinton shouldn't have been impeached and be removed from office... *** Agreed. The Klintonistas insistance on whining about "what about what Reagan and Bush did?" reminds one of the same tune sung by Nixon's supporters during Watergate: "Everyone ELSE did it!" And the Nixonians duly trotted out all the sins of Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, and Johnson... *** Agreed. I am not even sure that the real evidence of him having a problem showed up until his failure to remember one of his staff in a deposition he gave after his presidency. I don't know -- all the news clips showing him asleep at cabinet and summit meetings sort of gave ME a clue the guy seemed to be getting up in years and having a problem remaining attentive for more than a few minutes at a time... Senility -- especially Alzheimer's -- takes YEARS to develop into the full-blown dementia Reagan now displays...the first signs can show up a good 10, 15, 20 years before full dementia ensues... *** I am actually not so sure that Reagan is as demented as many would believe. The last speech he gave before the Republican Convention looked to me like there was a plan to keep him from saying all that he had to say. His speech kept getting interrupted at inappropriate and long times. Maybe that is just the nature of conventions, but I remember thinking that maybe there were some who wanted him silenced. "Alzheimer's" would certainly be one way. This is probably incorrect. The economy was "blown away" by Nixon's ending of the dollars link with gold. The subsequent change in the relationship between the two was reacted to by the OPEC nations with a raising of their prices to reflect its true worth. Also, it ignores that it was afterwards that there was NEVER any 'oil shortage', that indeed the major oil companies (to which the Bush family has major ties) had vast stockpiles of oil sitting in holding tanks along the east, west, and gulf coasts... Rather than OPEC driving up prices, it was the western oil companies manipulating the situation to 'justify' a vast increase in the price of oil... *** I agree with you on this to some degree, but think that it was more a case of both working together. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News Tuesday #1
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990209a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Human clone claim in doubt. (BBC) Serious doubt has been cast on the claim of the first cloned human embryo, made by Korean scientists last December. Examine http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_276000/276090.stm @ Links: The Clone Zone - New Scientist: http://www.newscientist.com/nsplus/insight/clone/clone.html @ Science, Religion and Technology Project - Church of Scotland: http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/srtscot/srtpage3.shtml # Also: Dolly scientist backs human cloning: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_258000/258703.stm # Human embryo cloned claim scientists: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_236000/236089.stm : If you have sex with your clone, is it masturbation, homosexuality, incest or narcissism? If your clone's smarter than you, would you be jealous, proud or indifferent? Would a gathering of clones be lively, boring, scary, odd? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # GRRL GEEKS ROCK OUT. After a long day of colliding particles, CERN scient- ists get busy with a group of tech-savvy women musicians, who serve a "high- energy explosive cocktail." They sing doo-wop, croon about antimatter, and they were the first band on the Web. Ladies and gentlemen, the Cernettes. www.wired.com/news/news/email/explode-infobeat/culture/story/17821.html # Also: DAM Good Music: www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/14956.html : Who are your favorite geeks? Are they sexy, powerful, life-transforming? Are you a geek? Are you artistic? Are you tolerable? Are you naked? Now? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Largest alien-hunting telescope planned. (BBC) New plans to build the world's largest telescope devoted to the search for extra-terrestrial intelligence may include satellite television receivers. Get in on the fun - http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_275000/275896.stm @ Links: Berkeley Seti: http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ @ Seti Institute: http://www.seti.org/ # Also: ET call Earth: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_265000/265937.stm # Alien hoax dismays scientists: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_206000/206845.stm # Anyone out there? http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_17/170954.stm : What if the aliens we find are dumber than us? Would you be disappointed? Will you join in a search for aliens? Will you have to be bribed? With what? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Kid-Porn Vigilante Hacked Media. A self-proclaimed ex-hacker with the charismatic pseudonyms "Christian Valor" and "Se7en" has been making head- lines around the world for his alleged vigilante campaign against online pedophiles. There's only one problem: He's a fraud. Jiving for Jeezus - www.wired.com/news/news/email/explode-infobeat/culture/story/17789.html # Also: Purity Protectors Counterattack: http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/17475.html # Hacker Vows 'Terror' for Child Pornographers: http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/4437.html : Was his implant hacked? Are all anti-kid-porn crusaders frauds, liars, demagogues, charlatans? Are kids pure? Can they be protected? From what? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ *** End to forced family planning urged. THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) At The Hague Forum, an international population conference, Hillary Rodham Clinton urged governments to abandon coercive family planning programs and allow women to make their own reproductive decisions. Still uppity, eh? See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558387076-34e : Should reproductive choices be made by govt's, prophets, individuals, ETs, corporations, sports teams, or chance? Who'll voluntarily relinquish power? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ATMOSPHERE'S ABILITY TO CLEANSE ITSELF STUDIED. A team of Australian and British scientists is spending the summer down under studying the self- cleansing ability of the atmosphere as part of an international project called the Southern Ocean Atmospheric Photochemistry Experiment. Changing hydroxyl levels? http://cnn.com/TECH/science/9902/08/hydroxyl.enn/index.html : If humans overload the atmosphere, can the Zeta Reticulans save us? How? Is Gaia too sick for planetary homeostasis to be sustained? Can it be fixed? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Zero-Knowledge: Nothing Personal. When you browse the Web or send an email, you leave footprints. Zero-Knowledge Systems promises to change that by offering totally untraceable surfing. Betcha can't find me - see http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/17820.html # Also: Is Strong Crypto a Human Right? http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/16768.html # Strong Rules for Strong Crypto: http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/16693.html # Will Arms Treaty Hurt Privacy?
[CTRL] In the Eye of the Beholder
-Caveat Lector- From TheNewRepublic http://www.thenewrepublic.com/magazines/tnr/current/nafisi022299.html February 22, 1999 Picture The Veiled Threat By Azar Nafisi The Iranian theocracy's fear of females. I would like to begin with a painting. It is Edgar Degas's Dancers Practicing at the Bar, as reproduced in an artbook recently published in the Islamic Republic of Iran. Under the heading "Spatial Organization," the book gives a two-paragraph explanation of Degas's placement of the ballerinas: "The two major forms are crowded into the upper right quadrant of the painting, leaving the rest of the canvas as openspace" So far, everything seems normal. But, like most things in Iran today, it is not. Upon closer inspection, there is something disturbingly wrong with the illustration accompanying this description, something that makes both the painting and the serious tone of its discussion absurdly unreal: the ballerinas, you see, have been air-brushed out. Instead, what meet the eye are an empty space, the floor, the blank wall, and the bar. Like so many other images of women in Iran, the ballerinas have been censored. Of course, the irony is that, by removing the dancers, the censors have succeeded only in making them the focus of our attention. Through their absence, the dancers are rendered glaringly present. In this way, Degas's painting is emblematic of a basic paradox of life in Iran, on the eve of the twentieth anniversary of the 1979 Islamic Revolution. On the one hand, the ruling Islamic regime has succeeded in completely repressing Iranian women. Women are forbidden to go out in public unless they are covered by clothing that conceals everything but their hands and faces. At all government institutions, universities, and airports, there are separate entrances for women, where they are searched for lipstick and other weapons of mass destruction. No infraction is too small to escape notice. At the university where I used to teach, one woman was penalized for "laughter of a giggling kind." And, just recently, a female professor was expelled because her wrist had shown from under her sleeve while she was writing on the blackboard. Yet, while these measures are meant to render women invisible and powerless, they are paradoxically making women tremendously visible and powerful. By attempting to control and shape every aspect of women's lives--and by staking its legitimacy on the Iranian people's supposed desire for this control--the regime has unwittingly handed women a powerful weapon: every private act or gesture in defiance of official rules is now a strong political statement. Meanwhile, because the regime's extreme regulation of women's lives necessarily intrudes on the private lives of men as well (whose every interaction with women is closely governed), the regime has alienated not just women but many men who initially supported the revolution. This tension between the Islamic ruling elite and Iranian society at large has been vastly underestimated by Western observers of Iran. In part this is because, over the past 20 years, American analysts and academics, as well as the Iranian exile community, have had little or no access to Iran. Thus they have relied unduly on the image presented by Iran's ruling clerics. At present that image is one of increased openness--as symbolized by the election of the moderate cleric Mohammed Khatami to the presidency back in 1997. Recently, for example, CNN cheerfully informed us that, after 20 years, the Islamic Republic has begun to show Hollywood movies. What CNN failed to mention was that Iranian television's version of, for example, Mary Poppins showed less than 45 minutes of the actual film. All portions featuring women dancing or singing were cut out and instead described by an Iranian narrator. In Popeye, all scenes involving Olive Oyl, whose person and whose relationship with Popeye are considered lewd, were excised from the cartoon. Meanwhile, even as the regime purports to have softened its hostile stance toward the United States, it has not softened the punishment meted out to Iranians who dare show an interest in American culture. In fact, soon after he was appointed, Khatami's new education minister issued a new directive forbidding students to bring material bearing the Latin alphabet or other "decadent Western symbols" to class. However, these are just the mildest examples of the many ways in which the new openness that characterizes Khatami's rule has been accompanied by increased repression. The brief spring that followed his victory--during which freedom of speech flourished in public demonstrations and new newspapers--was brought to an end with an abrupt crackdown. The government has since banned most of the new papers and harassed or jailed their editors. (They have since been released.) Many of the progressive clergymen who took advantage of the opening to protest the current legal system were also arrested and, in one case,
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- Sno0wl wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 8 Feb 99, , Source wrote: Yes but dear SnoOwl, Christianity (and all religions for that matter) have to be the biggest conspiracy ever. That IS relevent to this list. Yes, but dear Richard, we've already been there, done thatand it was a total waste of time for all concerned. sno0wl Very true, i just had to say it and get it out of my system. Any opportunity to have a dig at organised religion :-) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- Let's end this now. My last point being that it was not only me who had a problem with what you said but Pru did also, in fact she sent me a personal mail about it (sorry Pru, hope you didn't mind me mentioning that. I was hoping you would have jumped in by now ;-) snip!!! Richard B. Brown, Jeremy wrote: -Caveat Lector- After reading your post, I am now thoroughly convinced that you are a bona fide mentalcase. You mention that I failed to properly word what I wrote. Perhaps it is you who should admit that you failed to understand what I wrote! The debate was about the president's infidelity, and the first thing you jump on is what? The actions in question and how they relate to my sex life! What's the deal with that? It's not my fault if you are unable to infer what I meant. I notice no one else had that problem. Only you. So don't try to play it off now that I'm the one at fault here. You tried to have a cheap laugh at my expense and it backfired. Admit it and let's be done with it. JB P.S. Touché on the naivete thing. Although I don't think I embarrassed myself at all, I'll be sure to check and re-check next time I fire a response off. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from listmail.aol.com ([152.163.200.33]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA262 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:39:11 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by listmail.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:51:43 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 23463111 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:51:42 -0500 Received: from gatekeeper.imsint.com ([162.44.245.2]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26754 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:51:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by gatekeeper.imsint.com; id MAA08776; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:51:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(162.44.126.21) by gatekeeper.imsint.com via smap (4.1) id xma008460; Tue, 9 Feb 99 12:51:07 -0500 Received: by IMSUSPLYCX2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id 1DX6K85Z; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:50:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.aol.com id MAA26757 Message-ID: 11AB90E7AE36D21190D9F6B7482C510A58@IMSUSTOTCX2 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:50:20 -0500 Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Brown, Jeremy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research
Re: [CTRL] You're NOT going to believe this!!!
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Edward Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (actually, I just forwarded the post from someone whom I trusted as being somewhat reliable), I issued the originator of this thread on the slim chance that there may have been something to it. Generally, I post such "provocative" information in the hopes that potential readers will be able to discern fact from fiction. Which is totally OT for this list... And still does not change the fact that you are spamming disinfo under the guise of 'truth'...if you TRULY doubted it's validity, you should have clearly labeled it as such...preceded it with something like "Hey, I just got this in from what I feel is a reliable source, can anyone confirm or deny this info?"... No, you sent it out only with a statement preceding the anecdotes claiming it came from a 'reliable' source, thereby implying validity... I see no such standard applied to the posters of other conspiratorial threads on subjects referring, say, to federal concentration camps :-) Federal concentration camps fall under the umbrella designation of 'conspiracy research'...supposed needles left in supposed movie theater seats does not... That said, I find it interesting that June, my harshest critic on this matter, made no mention of the fact that I just as eagerly disseminated a retraction of the thread--as a hoax--in the form of another forewarded post entitled: "SR News: The Aids Needle Hoaxes." Only after it was roundly pointed out by myself and others that it was a hoax, including my post with the URLs which document it as a hoax...only THEN did you post your retraction... Not only is spamming such stuff a breach of 'netiquette', it gives serious researchers into such things as 'conspiracy theories' a bad name to be associated with deseminating such obvious hoaxes...if one can't take the time to make sure of the validity of such stories as the HIV needles, the organ harvesting, the free trip to Disney, the any number of 'Good Times' viruses, the flashing-headlight-gang-initiation, and other internet hoaxes/urban legends, how can one's assertion on any OTHER subject be taken seriously? June === "To love another person is to see the face of God." -Les Miserables === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: AEP: Republicans let Clinton off the hook
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Martin H. Katchen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: carl raschke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Nils Swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Frances Makarava [EMAIL PROTECTED]; carl raschke [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Lee Markland [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Vail Riches (ICQ#2018060) [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ruth Lewin [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jacco Zwetsloot [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Lloyd Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 12:12 AM Subject: Fw: AEP: Republicans let Clinton off the hook -Original Message- From: Bill Nalty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 8:21 PM Subject: CAS: AEP: Republicans let Clinton off the hook http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=000157475629455rtmo=3uxrKwYMatmo=rY3 sP4_FOLLOW_ON=/99/2/10/wcli210.htmlpg=/et/99/2/10/wcli210.html Electronic Telegraph ISSUE 1356 Wednesday 10 February 1999 Ambrose Evans-Pritchard: Republicans let Clinton off the hook IT is time to admit defeat. For the past six years I have been shouting that Bill Clinton is a wicked man, with past ties to organised crime and a tolerance for vicarious violence. I assumed that Americans would catch on to this, and that most would object. For though they are famously slow to anger, they are - or used to be - harsh in judgment. But the fat times have dulled the senses and absolved all sins. As for the Republicans, they are too timid, or too enmeshed in Clintonian intrigue themselves, to pursue the real charges. They picked on an Oval Office sex scandal instead. During Watergate, the trio of press, Congress and the inquisitor (a Democrat partisan and Kennedy protégé) worked together in synergy. As they nudged the story forward, they gradually persuaded a sleepy nation that something was amiss in the Nixon White House. This time the media are on the sidelines - or fraternising. The Washington Post has been caught feeding media intelligence to the White House Counsel's office. NBC Television is sitting on an interview with an Arkansas woman who was allegedly raped by Bill Clinton. She now admits signing a false affidavit in the Paula Jones lawsuit, under duress. This is combustible stuff. It is also directly relevant to the impeachment trial, which stems from witness tampering in the same case. NBC may have grounds for caution, but does anybody believe it would have hesitated to strike against Nixon? Still, the Republicans have only themselves to blame for the bêtise of indicting Mr Clinton on Monica Lewinsky charges. The counts were bound to be mischaracterised as "lying about sex", and bound to serve as a perverse vindication for the President. If that is all his persecutors could find, we keep hearing, there cannot be much else. But there is so much else. Congress did not have to confine the impeachment to the findings of Kenneth Starr, the independent counsel. By doing so, it became a prisoner of Mr Starr's own subtle agenda. This is not to accuse Mr Starr of conjuring Miss Lewinsky as a distraction, while orchestrating the real cover-up. His actions were never so calculated. But Mr Starr is most assuredly not an "independent" counsel. He is a creature of the Justice Department, where he once served as chief-of-staff. His team in Washington has been dominated by fellow insiders, and he has relied slavishly on the FBI to do the donkey work. But it is precisely the politicisation of the Justice Department and the FBI that forms the core scandal pervading the abuses of this administration. Mr Clinton began his presidency by firing all senior prosecutors, giving him direct control of the investigative machinery. He then carried out a putsch at the FBI, sacking its director for the first time in its history. This was taboo. The FBI director is appointed for 10 years, like a judge, to ensure political independence. Mr Starr has instinctively recoiled from confronting the FBI, limiting his zeal to harmless follies that could be prosecuted without collateral damage. He turned a blind eye when his deputy warned him about an FBI cover-up in the investigation into the death of Vincent Foster, Hillary Clinton's closest friend. Negligently - or worse - he failed to take testimony from key witnesses in the "Filegate" affair, in which the confidential FBI files of more than 900 Republicans were slipped to the White House. The story is emerging instead from a civil lawsuit. We have learnt that the raw data were fed into computers for purposes of political espionage, at the behest of Mrs Clinton. Had the Republicans folded this into the impeachment inquiry, Americans might have taken a very different view of the current trial. Misuse of the FBI, after all, was Nixon's cardinal sin during Watergate. But the Republicans have always been skittish about exposing the dirtiest of Mr Clinton's dirty linen, lest their own (lesser) indiscretions come to light. There is a Washington etiquette in these matters, or put another way: they, too, are "mobbed up".
Re: [CTRL] You're NOT going to believe this!!!
-Caveat Lector- Oh for gods sake, come on. Nobody can be perfect like you June, maybe you do research every detail of every suggestion, but just because someone threw a subject into the pot that proved to be fake, there is no need to cause such a ruckus. The mail you sent which listed the urban myths was enough to debunk that particular thread, lets leave it at that. revcoal wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Edward Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (actually, I just forwarded the post from someone whom I trusted as being somewhat reliable), I issued the originator of this thread on the slim chance that there may have been something to it. Generally, I post such "provocative" information in the hopes that potential readers will be able to discern fact from fiction. Which is totally OT for this list... And still does not change the fact that you are spamming disinfo under the guise of 'truth'...if you TRULY doubted it's validity, you should have clearly labeled it as such...preceded it with something like "Hey, I just got this in from what I feel is a reliable source, can anyone confirm or deny this info?"... No, you sent it out only with a statement preceding the anecdotes claiming it came from a 'reliable' source, thereby implying validity... I see no such standard applied to the posters of other conspiratorial threads on subjects referring, say, to federal concentration camps :-) Federal concentration camps fall under the umbrella designation of 'conspiracy research'...supposed needles left in supposed movie theater seats does not... That said, I find it interesting that June, my harshest critic on this matter, made no mention of the fact that I just as eagerly disseminated a retraction of the thread--as a hoax--in the form of another forewarded post entitled: "SR News: The Aids Needle Hoaxes." Only after it was roundly pointed out by myself and others that it was a hoax, including my post with the URLs which document it as a hoax...only THEN did you post your retraction... Not only is spamming such stuff a breach of 'netiquette', it gives serious researchers into such things as 'conspiracy theories' a bad name to be associated with deseminating such obvious hoaxes...if one can't take the time to make sure of the validity of such stories as the HIV needles, the organ harvesting, the free trip to Disney, the any number of 'Good Times' viruses, the flashing-headlight-gang-initiation, and other internet hoaxes/urban legends, how can one's assertion on any OTHER subject be taken seriously? June === "To love another person is to see the face of God." -Les Miserables === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from listmail.aol.com ([152.163.200.33]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA220 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:58:51 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by listmail.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows
[CTRL] June: You're NOT going to believe this!!!
-Caveat Lector- June: Get over it! Edward I see no such standard applied to the posters of other conspiratorial threads on subjects referring, say, to federal concentration camps :-) Federal concentration camps fall under the umbrella designation of 'conspiracy research'...supposed needles left in supposed movie theater seats does not... That said, I find it interesting that June, my harshest critic on this matter, made no mention of the fact that I just as eagerly disseminated a retraction of the thread--as a hoax--in the form of another forewarded post entitled: "SR News: The Aids Needle Hoaxes." Only after it was roundly pointed out by myself and others that it was a hoax, including my post with the URLs which document it as a hoax...only THEN did you post your retraction... Not only is spamming such stuff a breach of 'netiquette', it gives serious researchers into such things as 'conspiracy theories' a bad name to be associated with deseminating such obvious hoaxes...if one can't take the time to make sure of the validity of such stories as the HIV needles, the organ harvesting, the free trip to Disney, the any number of 'Good Times' viruses, the flashing-headlight-gang-initiation, and other internet hoaxes/urban legends, how can one's assertion on any OTHER subject be taken seriously? June === "To love another person is to see the face of God." -Les Miserables === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om "From the rage of today's downtrodden comes the revenge of tomorrow's revolutionary force." Edward Britton http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5285/connector1.html Talk to the planet: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/Reality_Pump2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Hitchens blows Blumenthal.
-Caveat Lector- Meet the Press, February 7, 1999 MR. RUSSERT: But first, before we get to Monica Lewinskys video and the final outcome of the presidents trial, there has been another twist in this strange saga. White House aide Sidney Blumenthal has testified under oath he never spread negative stories about Monica Lewinsky. But now a veteran journalist has stepped forward to directly challenge Mr. Blumenthal. Joining us is Christopher Hitchens, who writes for The Nation and Vanity Fair magazines. Mr. Hitchens, welcome. MR. HITCHENS: Good morning. MR. RUSSERT: You have a signed affidavit which says that on March 19th you and your wife had lunch with Mr. Blumenthal and that Mr. Blumenthal said that Monica Lewinsky had been a stalker and that the president was the victim of a predatoryan unstable, sexually demanding young woman. I now want to show you and our audience an exchange that Mr. Blumenthal had this very week with Congressman Lindsey Graham under oath in a deposition for the Senate: (Videotape): REPRESENTATIVE LINDSEY GRAHAM: Do you have any idea how White House sources are associated with statements such as, "Shes known as the stalker?" Do you have any idea how that got in the press? MR. SIDNEY BLUMENTHAL: I have no idea how anything came to be attributed to a White House source. (End videotape) MR. RUSSERT: Mr. Hitchens, is Mr. Blumenthal telling the truth? MR. HITCHENS: Well, he could be telling the truth if he says he has no idea how things attributed to White House sources. But the fact of the matter is that when I saw him for the first time since the scandal broke, thats what he said to me and to my wife and has said to many other people, that Monica Lewinsky was a stalker and that this was an aspect of the matter that had eluded peoples attention. And so Im afraid to say that when I was rung by the House committee, I didnt know what Mr. Blumenthal was going to say or what he had said. But I said what Ive said to everyone since that day, which is that as far as I could see, there was only one reason that that story was in print and it was because the White House wanted it to be. MR. RUSSERT: Did Mr. Blumenthal tell any other reporters that you know about Monica Lewinsky being a stalker? MR. HITCHENS: Yes, he did. MR. RUSSERT: How many? MR. HITCHENS: Well, I dont know a number. I would say of most of the people I know in the profession who heard that story, they knew it either directly or indirectly from Mr. Blumenthal. MR. RUSSERT: Now... MR. HITCHENS: Ive had to say to the House staffers whonow I know why they call me. I mean, as I say, Im not going to not say something because I get called by the Congress, where Ive said that Im not going to say who anyone else was. Theyll have to find that out for themselves. MR. RUSSERT: Mr... MR. HITCHENS: But I dont expect anyone to come and contradict me. MR. RUSSERT: Was Mr. Blumenthals lunch with you off the record or for background? Are you violating any agreement that you had with Mr. Blumenthal by coming public? MR. HITCHENS: No. I understand, in any case, his lawyer has released everyone. There seems to be some kind of challenge from any confidentiality agreement they might have had. We knew each other too well to have, so to speak, ground rules. I just was telling him as Ive been telling him since 92 I think hes working for a crooked president. And he said, "Well, theres some stuff you dont know," and he also added some, I thought, unpleasant things about poor Katherine Willey, saying, "Well, her numbers are high now after the accusations she had made but they wont be so high later on." I was upset that he would try and, as it were, shock me with such a vulgar story. MR. RUSSERT: You are convinced that Mr. Blumenthal was trying to plant with you the fact that Monica Lewinsky was a stalker. MR. HITCHENS: Well, let me put it like this. I mean, he has known since at least 1992 that I have nothing but contempt for President Clinton. So I don t think he can possibly have expected that I would do him this favor. When I ve reflected upon it afterwards, I thought perhaps he was, so to speak, honing the story or trying it out. But I then heard hed told it to a number of other people, too. And it seems to me that that was the White House strategy. I was astonished to find that he told it to the grand jury. If you take the case that he told it to only his immediate family and only to the grand jury, though believing it to be exculpatory of the president, you have to believe the following, that Sidney Blumenthal, well-known to be a very, very fluent and assiduous defender of the president, went around town with evidence that would make Bill Clinton look good and kept it to himself. I submit to you thats not believable. MR. RUSSERT: His attorney, William McDaniel, has just called NBC News and read the following statement on behalf of Mr. Blumenthal. "I was never a source for any story about Monica
[CTRL] $-isation
-Caveat Lector- From wsws.org WSWS : News Analysis : South Central America Menem invites US to "dollarize" Argentina By Bill Vann 10 February 1999 The proposal by the government of Prime Minister Carlos Menem for the dollarization of the Argentine economy is an indication of the profound crisis gripping not only Latin America, but world economic relations as a whole. It is also a telling demonstration of the terminal crisis of bourgeois nationalism. Menem expressed his unreserved enthusiasm for the plan on January 26, barely one week after the idea was first publicly floated by Pedro Pau, the president of the Argentine Central Bank, to adopt the dollar as the sole legal currency for Argentina through a "bilateral monetary association treaty." Pau said that conversion to the dollar and the phasing out of the peso would "eliminate any risk of devaluation in Argentina and decrease interest rates" on the country's debts. This proposal would in reality turn Argentina into an economic semi-colony of the US. Monetary policy would be determined not in Buenos Aires, but by the Federal Reserve Board in Washington. In the interest of guaranteeing stable conditions to foreign capitalist investors, the Argentine government is proposing to cede its ability to offer any protection to national industry. If Washington set interest rates too high for Argentine steelmakers or other industries to borrow money, they would simply be forced to the wall. The proposal comes nearly eight years after Argentina pegged the peso to the dollar under the Convertibility Law of 1991. Then-Finance Minister Domingo Cavallo crafted the plan which established a fixed parity between the peso and the dollar. Under the so-called currency board, the dollar became legal tender in Argentina, while the government agreed to issue no new pesos unless the money was backed 100 percent by dollar reserves in the central bank. This tight money policy in turn became the spur for the free market liberalization program introduced by Menem that has seen the privatization of the railroads, telecommunications and other key sectors of the economy, together with the scrapping of subsidies and social services. That Menem, the head of the Justicialista Party founded by Juan Peron, should now embrace a proposal to do away with the national currency altogether is a development of no small historical significance, or irony. In the 1940s, Peron emerged as the foremost exponent of Latin American nationalism, challenging Argentines to choose between him and the "Yankee" ambassador Braden and promising a program of economic independence, political sovereignty and social justice. A half a century later, his political heir advocates placing the Argentine economy under the tutelage of US Federal Reserve Board Chairman Alan Greenspan. In a press conference held at the governor's palace in the province of Rioja, Menem claimed that the plan would have no adverse effect on Argentine sovereignty and would be part of a regionwide monetary union. He compared the proposal to the recent introduction of the euro by the member states of the European Union. The proposal got a response last week from Nicolás Eyzaguirre, the executive director of the International Monetary Fund, who declared, "In Argentina, dollarization is feasible; and I would even say appropriate." Menem responded to the IMF's encouragement by reiterating that dollarization constitutes a "strategic priority" for his government, which is drawing up a formal proposal to present to Washington. While some regional officials indicated support for the idea and business groups as far away as Mexico expressed interest, the plan has by no means met with universal approval. Political opponents of Menem in Argentina charged that the proposal would turn the country into another Puerto Rico. Many pointed out that there is a fundamental difference between the dollar and the euro. While the latter is a mutually agreed upon creation of a group of countries, the dollar is the existing currency of the United State, which has historically exploited the nations of Latin America as an imperialist power. Given the vast economic and social disparities between North America and Latin America, no one is under any illusion that Washington would be willing to cede control of its monetary policy to some supranational body run jointly with the governments of Latin America. Nor is it conceivable that the US government would allow the kind of semi-open borders that are being established between the countries of the European Union. Meeting with Argentine officials in Brasilia, Brazil's Minister of Development Industry and Trade Celso Lafer made it clear that his government does not believe the plan will further capitalist interests in that country and that Brazil does not want to be irrevocably tied to an American economic sphere of influence. "Our first evaluation is that dollarization would not contribute to a constructive way
[CTRL] Hussein: 02-10
-Caveat Lector- From wsws.org WSWS : News Analysis : Middle East An atmosphere of instability and crisis World leaders gather at King Hussein's funeral By Peter Symonds 10 February 1999 The public funeral of King Hussein of Jordan conducted with great pomp and ceremony this Monday in the capital of Amman, was an extraordinary, if rather bizarre, spectacle that has served to underscore the highly inflammable and contradictory character of political relations throughout the region, and internationally. Delegations and representatives of 75 different countries were in attendance--a greater turnout than for the funeral of either Yitzhak Rabin, the Israeli prime minister assassinated in 1995, or Anwar Sadat, the Egyptian President who met a similar fate in 1981. The US delegation included Bill Clinton as well as three former US presidents--Bush, Carter and Ford--senior officials and policy advisers. French President Jacques Chirac, British Prime Minister Tony Blair and Prince Charles were present as was Russian President Boris Yeltsin who dragged himself from his sick bed and, against the advice of his doctors, flew to Amman only to leave before the service. The funeral brought together bitter enemies in the strangest of political paradoxes. At the last moment, Syria's President Hafez Assad, who in 1958 had ordered his jet fighters to shoot down Hussein's plane and had set in motion numerous other assassination attempts, arrived in Amman to head his country's delegation. For the first time, Assad took part in a public ceremony alongside a 23-person delegation from Israel, including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Top officials from Iraq and Libya, countries still technically at war with Israel, were present as were representatives from the Islamic fundamentalist group Hamas. The guests included Hamas leader Khaled Meshal, who was the target of an assassination attempt in Amman in 1997, and Efraim Halevy, director of the Israeli intelligence service Mossad, who ordered the failed attack. The turnout at the ceremony was only matched by the gushing tributes in the international media for King Hussein and his family. The TV cameras focussed attention on the grief displayed by Jordanians in the streets over the death of the king. Commentators variously portrayed him as a man of the people, a popular monarch with "the common touch," as the builder of the modern Jordanian nation and the "greatest peacemaker" in the so-called Middle East peace process. What was missing from all accounts was any explanation as to why the dead monarch should merit a level of attention and glorification at odds with the actual political and economic significance of Jordan--an artificial construct of the great power intrigues during and after World War I. It is, after all, a country the size of the US state of South Carolina, seven eighths of which is arid desert, with a population of around 5 million, a GDP of about $US8 billion, lacking in oil or other valuable natural resources, and hemmed in all sides by larger, more powerful and often hostile nation states. The significance of the focus on Hussein and Jordan is two-fold. Firstly, the leaders were not paying their respects to a representative of the Arab masses but were mourning the loss of a valuable political asset who for 47 years served as a rather shameless tool for the machinations of the major powers, including Israel, in the region. The outpouring of praise appeared to be in direct proportion to the subservience of the Jordanian regime. It is worth noting that the Israeli leadership, for whom Jordan has become virtually a client state, declared a day of mourning to mark Hussein's death and flew its flags at half-mast. There was also no doubt an element of admiration for an autocrat who had clung to power so tenaciously for so long, surviving at least 12 assassination attempts and seven coup plots through a mixture of ruthlessness, cunning and sheer luck. No-one believed when Hussein was proclaimed king at the age of 16 in 1952 that his reign would last for more than four decades. Yet with the backing first of Britain, then of the US, he and his semi-feudal regime were able to continually tack through the ever-changing and conflicting interests of the Middle East--and survive. Secondly, the attendance of world leaders is a mark of the great instability of the times--in Jordan, the neighbouring West Bank and Israel, throughout the region and internationally. It is ironic that for all the absurd talk about Hussein as the father of peace and stability within the region, the growing economic and political crisis in Jordan itself could turn out to be the spark which ignites the Middle Eastern tinderbox. Just days before his death Hussein conducted what amounted to a palace coup, inserting his 37-year-old son Abdullah as his successor in place of his younger brother Hussan. The new king is a virtual unknown with no political experience, whose only training is in
[CTRL] U.S.: Big Loser?
-Caveat Lector- From Wash (DC) Post Russia's Missile Defenses Eroding Gaps in Early-Warning Satellite Coverage Raise Risk of Launch Error By David Hoffman Washington Post Foreign Service Wednesday, February 10, 1999; Page A01 MOSCOWRussia's early-warning defense against missile attack, a key aspect of the hair-trigger doctrine of nuclear deterrence, is deteriorating because Moscow cannot replenish the array of satellites it needs to monitor U.S. missile silos and submarines, according to Russian and Western security analysts. For several hours each day, Russian military commanders cannot see any of the U.S. missile fields, nor can they monitor the most dangerous threat to their own forces -- U.S. Trident submarines submerged in the world's oceans, these specialists said. Russia has not launched an early-warning satellite in nearly a year, they added, and U.S.-Russian plans for sharing early-warning data, announced last September by Presidents Clinton and Boris Yeltsin, have not been implemented. Such cooperation involves highly sophisticated equipment and the transfer of ultrasensitive defense information, analysts say, and a legacy of distrust persists on both sides. Although the Cold War has ended, Russia and the United States remain on constant nuclear alert. Both sides say that if attacked they will unleash massive retaliation, even before enemy warheads arrive; the strategy is that such a stance will discourage any first strike. But the threat of retaliation requires accurate early warning, and without it, Russian decision-makers are blindfolded. Some Western specialists say the growing gaps in the area covered by Russia's early-warning satellites have increased the risks of a serious miscalculation, because Russian commanders will have less time to decide if a launch report is real. There have been several close calls. In September 1983, the Soviet early-warning system sent a false signal to ground stations that a U.S. missile attack was underway. After a few anxious minutes deep in a Soviet defense bunker, the mistake was recognized by an officer on duty. In another case that highlights the early-warning risks, the launch of a Norwegian scientific rocket in 1995 triggered a false alarm that was reported all the way to Yeltsin. At the time of the 1983 alarm, the Soviet satellites positioned to detect U.S. ballistic missile launches had been on station for only about a year. Launched into a high elliptical orbit, the satellites did not look directly down at Earth; rather, they peered at an angle, depending on infrared waves to identify the hot exhaust of a rocket against the black background of space. To keep tabs on U.S. missile fields, an array of satellites was needed. Their space tracks followed one after another, sweeping over the known missile locations in the United States; but they were prone to drift from their orbits and had to be replaced often. The full early-warning system of that era had nine satellites. On the day of the false alarm, there were seven in orbit, according to Paul Podvig, a research associate at the Center for Arms Control, Energy and Environmental Studies here. Podvig said the seven satellites were sufficient to cover all the U.S. missile fields because the full overlay of nine was designed with some overlap. That same system is still in use, but because of its crippling financial problems, Russia has not put a single early-warning satellite into orbit since last April. Some existing satellites ceased working as recently as last year, and, according to Podvig, the system now has only three active satellites -- less than half the number at the time of the 1983 alarm and just a third of the full constellation. The Soviets created a second satellite system in the late 1980s -- this one in geostationary orbit, meaning that each of these satellites remains above one place on the Earth's surface. Two of these are still functioning, Podvig said, with one sited to cover some of the gaps in the original array of satellite. But gaps remain, however. Every 24 hours, the high elliptical satellite system is blind during two periods; one is nearly six hours long, the other about an hour long, Podvig said. Even with the help of the geostationary satellites, there is a daily gap of about three hours, he said. "Over the last five or six years, Russia kept the configuration working all the time," Podvig said. "But it started disintegrating at the beginning of 1998. The situation in the last six years wasn't good, but they had reserves. They kept it working. Now, they have used up those reserves. The problem is serious." There is some uncertainty among Western and Russian experts about the capabilities of the satellites in geostationary orbit. At issue is whether one of these satellites, Cosmos-2224, is capable of looking directly down at the world's oceans, where the Trident submarines patrol. Podvig said he believes it can look down at the North Atlantic --
Re: [CTRL] It's true that abortion is legal but, hey, so was the Holoc
-Caveat Lector- Dear Mr. Moxley-- In the past month, the state legislature of NY State awarded themselves raises in the $20-40k range. The governor, George Pataki, gave his aides $50k raises. Meanwhile one in four children in NY State live in poverty. People and families cut from the welfare rolls, cannot find jobs or cannot find jobs that pay a living wage. When that changes, and all children born are well-cared for--or at least given a reasonable chance at health, personal safety, and education--then I might consider changing my pro-choice stand. When you argue anti-abortion, you are arguing for exponentially increasing the number of children who will be malnourished, poorly cared for by parents struggling to merely survive, and who, in many cases, will swell the ranks of the prison population. (And yes, Pataki wants to use the budget "surplus" to build new prisons, not to rebuild NY City's Dickensian schools). So, in essence, you are arguing for prisonsand the new slave class. I consider myself a feminist. If a woman cannot support and care for a child--or another child, as the case may be--then she should have abortion as a choice open to her. No woman WANTS an abortion but sometimes abortion is the reasonable choice. You should keep in mind that at least 1/5 of the women who do have abortions are Catholic. That's one out of every five. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The News Tonight
-Caveat Lector- Just missed the opening details, but NPR reported this evening on a rather noisy demonstration in New York?, where folks who had been cut from welfare were protesting the lack of jobs and/or jobs that pay a living wage. The speaker made the point that one in four children in NY State are living in poverty and that working families, as well as working mothers, cannot afford to live on what they earn. Thought I'd catch the whole story on the evening news. Guess what? It wasn't there. A lot of people are very angry that NY's statespeople voted themselves annual ranging from $20-40K, while Pataki gave his aides $50kK raises. Their salaries are the highest in the nation. As someone who has recently started receiving Social Security--after a lifetime on the job, I got a 2% cost of living raise--which amounts to $10--that's ten dollars--a month$120 a year. Something fishy here. And Pataki sees himself as presidential caliber? That's the GOP party line. And they talk about "entitlements."? And cutting Social Security benefits? I guess it's Banana Republic time. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] It's true that abortion is legal but, hey, so was the Holoc
-Caveat Lector- Sno0wl wrote: -Caveat Lector- Dear Mr. Moxley-- In the past month, the state legislature of NY State awarded themselves raises in the $20-40k range. The governor, George Pataki, gave his aides $50k raises. Meanwhile one in four children in NY State live in poverty. People and families cut from the welfare rolls, cannot find jobs or cannot find jobs that pay a living wage. When that changes, and all children born are well-cared for--or at least given a reasonable chance at health, personal safety, and education--then I might consider changing my pro-choice stand. When you argue anti-abortion, you are arguing for exponentially increasing the number of children who will be malnourished, poorly cared for by parents struggling to merely survive, and who, in many cases, will swell the ranks of the prison population. (And yes, Pataki wants to use the budget "surplus" to build new prisons, not to rebuild NY City's Dickensian schools). So, in essence, you are arguing for prisonsand the new slave class. I consider myself a feminist. If a woman cannot support and care for a child--or another child, as the case may be--then she should have abortion as a choice open to her. No woman WANTS an abortion but sometimes abortion is the reasonable choice. You should keep in mind that at least 1/5 of the women who do have abortions are Catholic. That's one out of every five. sno0wl So, we can assume from your post that you think if these children were born they would be swelling the prison population and living in poverty? Most women I know who have had an abortion,have had more than one, it has become a form of birthcontrol.As one who 'lives in poverty, and is struggling to survive, I think your arguement is lame, indeed.maybe, so many wouldn't be living in povert if men would pay their child supportThere are countless couples also waiting to adopt childrenI see birth control and abstinance as a far better solution...my opinion for what its worth...Barley DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Army Practices Secret Civilian Attacks
-Caveat Lector- Those crazy paranoid anti government nuts at it again. Obviously the Army was just in for a little friendly visit. flw -- -- What happened in Kingsville, Texas, Monday night? Residents report unmarked helicopters, soldiers dropping from ropes -- -- By David M. Bresnahan © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com (2/10/99) KINGSVILLE, Texas -- Local residents are distraught over a near disaster during a secret Army training exercise. Local officials claim they were sworn to secrecy. Getting factual information about what happened is next to impossible. Reports from residents told of low flying, unmarked helicopters and soldiers dropping down from ropes in the center of the town after dark Monday night. WorldNetDaily was told that the police station burned and a commercial building was severely damaged. The assistant police chief confirmed what no one else would admit. "The United States Army Special Operations Command was conducting a training exercise in our area," admitted Arthur Rogers when the police chief was unavailable for comment. He refused further details. That was more than Mayor Phil Esquivel would disclose. He said he was sworn to secrecy for national security reasons. His answers were evasive and without detail. When Esquivel was asked about damage he denied there was any. When he was told that damage was reported by a witness, he revised his comments. "If there was any damage done, they were going to repair it, but I haven't gotten an assessment of the properties," the mayor stated. He then admitted there was a fire, but would not comment on the cause or the extent of damage. Was there damage to a building? "Possibly," said Esquivel. "An abandoned building that was going to be torn down anyway." It was learned from another witness that the damaged building was a commercial building that is not going to be torn down. Witnesses reported that black helicopters with no identification markings flew into the city just after dark. They arrived in the center of the city, which had been evacuated by police. The secret training exercise lasted several hours. When it was over an abandoned police station had been accidentally set on fire and the Exxon building was badly damaged when one or more helicopters landed on the roof. Windows of buildings were also broken. "I live out in the country and they flew right over us and our house just trembled. That's how low they were going," said Thelma, a resident who would give only her first name. Esquivel claims he is just being a good citizen by not giving the details. He confirmed that he had granted permission for the exercise, but he refused to say how long ago permission was granted or which branch of the military was involved. "They asked me to keep it secret," repeated Esquivel several times. "I respect national security. It was very well controlled and no one was hurt. "It didn't expend city taxpayers dollars. It did not put citizens of Kingsville in jeopardy. The police department warned all surrounding neighbors. We're supporting national security." Many residents have been complaining extensively. In between life insurance sales appointments, the mayor has been fielding angry phone calls. "I'm glad that this gets out. This is total B.S. If we don't stop it now it's going to get worse," John Rohmfeld, who lives there, told WorldNetDaily. "Apparently this was a secret operation. "They meant to come in here and see what the hell they can get away with. I'm not going to let them get away with it," he stated. The mayor tells all the concerned callers the same thing: "It was a training exercise that would insure national security if we ever need it. It was asked not to disclose what armed services or what division of the armed services it was in, but it is supporting national security." There are 25,000 residents of Kingsville, a town near Corpus Christi and home of the Kingsville Naval Station. Residents are used to seeing military people around town, but not repelling down from helicopters. They want to know what happened in their town. Not knowing causes fear, and refusal to answer questions causes them to lose trust in their leaders. The local barber shop is usually the center of gossip and discussion of current events. The day after the exercise there were only questions and doubt, which were the result of no official word on what happened. "I don't like something like that. I don't like what was going on," said barber Joel Gant. For now, the questions remain. The army public relations officer failed to return calls from WorldNetDaily, and no one in an official position was willing to explain what happened. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and
Re: [CTRL] Fw: [FAIR-L] ACTION ALERT: MSNBC's NewLineup:Same...
-Caveat Lector- Are you two skating around the thought - that they are not following through on the trail - because they are afraid that it will lead to Daddy Bush and that if (one of the) Bush kids did get the Presidency that our government officials would be in trouble? To go after Clinton is to go after the Bush family involvement? Well if you did that how much history would have to come to light - all the way back to at least the time between WW 1 and WW 2 or possibly even farther? The Unauthorized Biography of George Bush - Online at http://www.radix.net/~tarpley/bushb.htm#Table From stuff such as the previous url, what could we possibly see as the future? 1984 by George Orwell (c)1981 Signet Classic NY originally written 1949 Brave New World by Aldous Huxley (c) 1932, 1946 HarperPerennial NY Howard R. Davis III wrote: -Caveat Lector- Samatha 'Smith' wrote: Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: [FAIR-L] ACTION ALERT: MSNBC's "New" Lineup: Same... Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:58:14 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 99-02-08 16:04:26 EST, you write: In the Nixon case, Gerald Ford was his replacement and he was not elected even as vice-president. I don't remember this being an issue. My understanding is that if Gore becomes president a new vice-president would be appointed. In Ford's case, Nelson Rockefeller was appointed to replace him. So, we had a vice president and a president who both had been appointed and not elected to their offices. And one was a Rockefeller! Howard Davis The issue of overturning an election is a serious one. The Nixon impeachment had bipartisan support and the support of the public. I've never heard it suggested it was a coup. *** You've never heard it suggested that it was a coup? I have heard that theory on numerous occasions. The question here is whether or not impeaching Clinton could be considered a coup de etat. The argument made being that Gore would become President and it wouldn't be a coup. I disagree. Overthrowing an elected President by subversive means, whether or not a political ally would then become President is still a coup, in my opinion. *** Subversive means? It was he that initiated the problem with Paula Jones. It was he that lied in testimony in a deposition in the subsequent sexual harassment case. It was he who used his position of power to influence the case. Isn't it true that the Senate had to approve Rockefeller's appointment as VP? If so, as we've seen with judgeships and cabinet posts, approval of Clinton appointees has repeatedly been delayed. If the approval process were delayed long enough for "something to happen" to Gore, the Speaker would become President. After seeing that there is no point BELOW which the President's enemies will not go to regain the WH, I wouldn't put anything past them. They can't seem to "earn it the old-fashioned way" and, having no honor whatsoever, will beg, borrow, slander and steal to have it back. Samantha *** If Clinton is impeached and Gore takes over as president and then the Senate refuses to approve his choice, then you might have a point. Otherwise, you are just making suppositions. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] You're NOT going to believe this!!!
-Caveat Lector- Out of the mouths of babes! Why? HIV and AIDS - supposivly sexually transmitted? That means that they need a warm, moist enviroment. How do we keep blood supplies? The last time I looked they were kept chilled. How could blood transfusions ever have given AIDS? They might have given some of the other deseases. So this is why they are refering to the ""Fact?"" that the polio vacines may have been contaiminated even - "with dead virus".. People we are being had. This means that the Mercury and "formalin" which is another word for "Formaldehyde" are probally much worse then they are saying and that it is the possibility that those retroviruses are actually against Mercury or formalin - something like how the flu shot ended up actally hurting some. I may not have the link up exactly right, but I do believe that it is the Mercury or formalin that is the underling cause. Wonder if Cattle shots are made the same way? If so I think they are getting ready to give us some serious trouble!!! Can you imagion horse breeders? Sheep herders? Still trying to make us afraid of our natural food supply. Does anyone have a url for how the body reacts to Mercury, formalin or formaldehyde? I do have some of the mercury links already. Laura aka The Pied Piper http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm -Original Message- From: Brian Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 8:06 PM Subject: [CTRL] Was Polio Vaccine Contaminated? (fwd) > >WAS POLIO VACCINE CONTAMINATED? >(From *The Spotlight*, July 18, 1994) YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Edward Britton wrote: >This was sent to me, and I know it is not impossible. When I was a young >girl, they were doing similar things with needles, only it was to drug the >girls and take them away for prostitution in hiding...so this could be >possible. You probably believe the organ-harvesting story, the 'you'll be killed if you flash your headlights' story, the 'send a card to this sick kid' story, the 'Disney and Microsoft are giving free trips to Disneyland' story, and the Nieman-Marcus cookie story, too... THIS IS A HOAX AND AN URBAN LEGEND. > I thought that I would pass this message along ... > THIS MESSAGE CAME FROM A VERY RELIABLE SOURCE AND I FEEL COMPELLED TO PASS >IT ON TO YOU. A 'very reliable source' which, as is always the cases in hoaxes like these, remains nameless... > GOING TO A MOVIE PLEASE CHECK YOUR CHAIRS WHEN GOING TO THE MOVIE >THEATERS An incident occurred when a friends CO-worker went to sit in a >chair and something was poking her. She got up and found that it was a >needle with a little note at the end. It said "Welcome to the real world, >you're "HIV POSITIVE". Doctors tested the needle and it was "HIV > POSITIVE" First off, the HIV virus degrades very rapidly when exposed to air...no object which may have contained the virus, including a hypodermic, would contain a live virus for long under such conditions. Secondly, notice that no names of the 'doctors' who 'tested the needle' are mentioned, neither is the facility where the supposed test was conducted...indeed, we aren't even told what city or state this supposedly occured in, an obvious sign that this is a hoax. > The following information was E-mailed to all employees of the Metro > Police Dept. this morning 11/3/98. WHAT 'Metro Police Dept'?? Like the 'gang members will kill you if you flash your headlights' hoax, the name of the police department supposedly issuing this alert is never mentioned...this story is ALSO a hoax. > The change isn't worth it! This information came straight from phone > company workers, through the EMT instructor. Notice that no names are ever given, neither the name of the actual 'phone company' supposedly issuing the alert. > Make sure you share this > information with your family and any one else you can >> Only if you want to come off as a complete fool and idiot... June DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:]
Re: [CTRL] Fw: AEP: Republicans let Clinton off the hook
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-02-10 07:13:51 EST, you write: But the Republicans have always been skittish about exposing the dirtiest of Mr Clinton's dirty linen, lest their own (lesser) indiscretions come to light. There is a Washington etiquette in these matters, or put another way: they, too, are "mobbed up". That is why, I believe, they backed away from probing whether Mr Clinton knowingly solicited laundered campaign funds from Chinese military intelligence in exchange for restricted missile technology. Is there ANY crime Clinton has not yet been accused of? Didn't Fred Thompson, R-Tn, chair a committee that examined these allegations? We do have an "innocent until proven guilty" standard..remember that little ol' thing? As I understand it, Dick Thornburgh frustrated Walsh's investigation into the arms for hostages deal by classifying material to keep it out of Walsh's hands. I wasn't on this list during the Walsh investigation (if it even existed then) but I do hope you fine people were squealing and squawking this loudly then! This constant squealing of alarm about all the things Clinton is alleged to have done reminds me of a saying I came across on the internet once .(paraphrased)..."If a reliable source puts forth wild allegations, one may pause to listen. If a wild source puts forth substantiated allegations, one may pause to listen. If a wild source puts forth wild allegations -- watch out!" There are many things I suspect Reagan and Bush got away with. But I would fully expect anyone to challenge me with "Prove it!" if I were to list my suspicions as FACT day after day. So, this is what I have to say to you, "PROVE IT!" Prove it in a court of law! Prove it during in a hearing! Prove it in an impeachment trial! If you can't prove it, stop asserting these allegations as fact. Or better yet, just shaddup already! Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: AEP: Republicans let Clinton off the hook
-Caveat Lector- To Samantha: For some reason it doesn't make it to a court of law, potential witnesses seem to kill themselves, or die in homicides, before that can occur.Question: How many people must end up dead before you catch on? Or are you deliberately obtuse?? Just wondering Barley Samatha 'Smith' wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-02-10 07:13:51 EST, you write: But the Republicans have always been skittish about exposing the dirtiest of Mr Clinton's dirty linen, lest their own (lesser) indiscretions come to light. There is a Washington etiquette in these matters, or put another way: they, too, are "mobbed up". That is why, I believe, they backed away from probing whether Mr Clinton knowingly solicited laundered campaign funds from Chinese military intelligence in exchange for restricted missile technology. Is there ANY crime Clinton has not yet been accused of? Didn't Fred Thompson, R-Tn, chair a committee that examined these allegations? We do have an "innocent until proven guilty" standard..remember that little ol' thing? As I understand it, Dick Thornburgh frustrated Walsh's investigation into the arms for hostages deal by classifying material to keep it out of Walsh's hands. I wasn't on this list during the Walsh investigation (if it even existed then) but I do hope you fine people were squealing and squawking this loudly then! This constant squealing of alarm about all the things Clinton is alleged to have done reminds me of a saying I came across on the internet once .(paraphrased)..."If a reliable source puts forth wild allegations, one may pause to listen. If a wild source puts forth substantiated allegations, one may pause to listen. If a wild source puts forth wild allegations -- watch out!" There are many things I suspect Reagan and Bush got away with. But I would fully expect anyone to challenge me with "Prove it!" if I were to list my suspicions as FACT day after day. So, this is what I have to say to you, "PROVE IT!" Prove it in a court of law! Prove it during in a hearing! Prove it in an impeachment trial! If you can't prove it, stop asserting these allegations as fact. Or better yet, just shaddup already! Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: APE: Republicans let Clinton off the hook
-Caveat Lector- Who cares about his politics? Let's take a look at the man's health for a moment! He's lugging around that massive paunch, and his suits look like they're about a size too tight. Did you see him at the State of the Union address? He is so pasty and bloated I thought he was going to collapse right there! His face was all flushed and blotchy, his skin tone is pure gray and his hair was pasted to his head in sweaty clumps. I could hear the blood straining through the clogged arteries. We are looking at a prime candidate for angioplasty. He's got to lay off the McDonald's breakfast burritos and French fries, lock up the Fritos, ixnay on the Pepsi Big Slams, no more Ring Dings and Ho Hos, hold the fried okra, cancel the cheeseburger deluxes, and, for God's sake STOP SCARFING THE DAMN PORK RINDS!!! Otherwise the GOP won't have to vote him out, his viscous fat will just seal off his heart like cement. Maybe he should keep banging interns. At least he'll get some cardio into his day. -Original Message- From: Samatha 'Smith' [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 11:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: AEP: Republicans let Clinton off the hook -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-02-10 07:13:51 EST, you write: But the Republicans have always been skittish about exposing the dirtiest of Mr Clinton's dirty linen, lest their own (lesser) indiscretions come to light. There is a Washington etiquette in these matters, or put another way: they, too, are "mobbed up". That is why, I believe, they backed away from probing whether Mr Clinton knowingly solicited laundered campaign funds from Chinese military intelligence in exchange for restricted missile technology. Is there ANY crime Clinton has not yet been accused of? Didn't Fred Thompson, R-Tn, chair a committee that examined these allegations? We do have an "innocent until proven guilty" standard..remember that little ol' thing? As I understand it, Dick Thornburgh frustrated Walsh's investigation into the arms for hostages deal by classifying material to keep it out of Walsh's hands. I wasn't on this list during the Walsh investigation (if it even existed then) but I do hope you fine people were squealing and squawking this loudly then! This constant squealing of alarm about all the things Clinton is alleged to have done reminds me of a saying I came across on the internet once .(paraphrased)..."If a reliable source puts forth wild allegations, one may pause to listen. If a wild source puts forth substantiated allegations, one may pause to listen. If a wild source puts forth wild allegations -- watch out!" There are many things I suspect Reagan and Bush got away with. But I would fully expect anyone to challenge me with "Prove it!" if I were to list my suspicions as FACT day after day. So, this is what I have to say to you, "PROVE IT!" Prove it in a court of law! Prove it during in a hearing! Prove it in an impeachment trial! If you can't prove it, stop asserting these allegations as fact. Or better yet, just shaddup already! Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News Tuesday #2
-Caveat Lector- 1) Intro 2) Forwarded Skeptic News Item. 3) Forwarded - Reposted item about MSG and Aspartame w/ other misc links. 1) Intro This is a line of %$#*@! Read the links that I have after this. NutraSweet is not safe. NutraSweet "seems" to do about the same number on the brain that MSG does. I am still looking for something that I read that says MSG has aspartate in it - and conformation of the same. I believe anyone that says Aspartame is safe either has not done their homework, works for Monsanto, uses research put out by Monsanto, or is under government sanctions not to tell the truth because it is research on civilian populations. I do not like being a reseach subject - how about the rest of you? So, if you do not like being a research subject then read on and do some reseach of your own! _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 2) Forwarded Skeptic News Item. # DEBUNKING INTERNET HEALTH ALARMS. An e-mail campaign attacking an arti- ficial sweetener has been spreading fear fast. The scare du jour is over claims that aspartame, sold under such brand names as NutraSweet, causes MS or another disease, lupus. The Food and Drug Administration says this is false information, and Internet health information experts have been trying to track the author of the email hoax. Lies, damned lies, and Net postings - http://www.healthcentral.com/news/newsfulltext.cfm?ID=9072 # ASPARTAME HOAX, CONTINUED. TIME magazine debunks the e-mail attack on aspartame by using good old investigative journalism. The e-mail barrage against aspartame makes various negative claims and the Time writer checked each one out. What she discovered was they were indeed unsubstantiated or downright bogus. SO: If you get e-mail that either debunks or promotes various drugs or food supplements, dont take them seriously. Go to reputable sources and research the substance. See http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=9272 : How do you evaluate information? Do you listen to experts, debunkers, the voices in your head, divine messengers, everything on TV, your mother, me? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 3) Forwarded - Reposted item about MSG and Aspartame w/ other misc links. -Original Message- From: L. Shipton [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, January 30, 1999 9:42 AM Subject: Research Links >For those of you that might consider this weighty, I am back to doing my >web page and will add it to my site and then (most times just) post the URL >in the future. > >I need to find where the FDA has approved the spraying of MSG on crops, >someone sent that to me months ago and I have upgraded since that time. >Knowing this and putting together with the following that I am compiling you >will see more problems, with children as well. >SPECULATION: Aspartame was approved during the Regan administration, more >things seem to have been added during the Bush administration, and Clinton >has allowed even more. Instead of hearing about MSG like we used to do - it >and more things like Canola are being approved every day. Let me add this >for educators - would be hard to educate a child even with Ritalin or some >other help is they are getting this in their food - expressly the school >lunches, and when I can find Canola oil as a ingredient in a major brand of >frozen crinkle cut potatoes, Yes I do believe it and MSG will be in school >lunches. Will add this to my site and redo my site soon. > >They think that they can just watch what they eat and that this might blow >over. That is not the case, and I am not going into dramatics. This is not >complete, I have to take time to learn other things too - for those of you >that are skeptical, please check these out. > >Will be following through by checking out how these things (proteins >expressly) work through Mitochondria and Lysosomes. > >==Summary of some articles == >(1) MSG and Aspartame >Summary done on http://www.annapolis.net/members/holland/food.txt > >Monosodium Glutamate (MSG) derived from Glutamic acid, which is an >excitotoxic amino acid that has been known to excite, brain cells sometimes to the point of killing them. MSG is a neurotropic drug (neurotropic means >that it effects the nervous system) and when it effects a person the effects >may not show up for up to 48 hours. Glutamic acid (an amino acid), and one >of its salts is glutamate. Glutamate is one of the substances that make up >protein. Different proteins are made up of different amino acids. MSG is >manufactured through a process of protein hydrolysis. When glutamate is >separated from protein and the product has 99% free glutamate then it is >called "monosodium glutamate." >When Protein Hydrolysate has less than 99% free glutamate, usually within >the range of 8 to 40 per cent, then the product might have one of these >names - "sodium caseinate," "calcium caseinate," "autolyzed yeast," >"textured protein," "yeast food," "hydrolyzed vegetable protein," and >"hydrolyzed protein." >Hydrolyzed
[CTRL] Open Air Testing
-Caveat Lector- United States Senate Testimony before the Committee on Veterans' Affairs May 6, 1994 Open Air Testing with Simulated Biological and Chemical Warfare Agents By Leonard A. Cole, Ph.D. My name is Leonard A. Cole, and I teach science and public policy at Rutgers University in Newark. My research interests include biological and chemical warfare policies, and I have written in particular about testing done in the U.S Army's biological defense program. I appreciate your invitation, Senator Rockefeller, to testify about experiments involving simulated biological and chemical warfare agents. These agents, which the army calls simulants, are intended to mimic more lethal bacteria and chemicals that might be used in actual warfare. As described in my book, Clouds of Secrecy, the army began a program in 1949 to assess the nation's vulnerability to attack with biological weapons. During the next 20 years, the army released simulant agents over hundreds of populated areas around the country. Targets included portions of Hawaii and Alaska, San Francisco, St. Louis, Minneapolis, New York City, Washington, D.C., Key West, and many other cities. The purpose was to see how the bacteria spread and survived as people went about their normal activities. Evidence suggested that the tests may have been causing illness to exposed citizens. Nevertheless, as army spokesmen subsequently testified, the health of the millions of people exposed was never monitored because the army assumed that the bacteria and chemicals were harmless. Vulnerability testing continues at Dugway Proving Ground, 70 miles from Salt Lake City. Several smaller communities are closer to the base, and Dugway itself is home to hundreds of civilians and military personnel and their families. The stated purpose of the tests is to evaluate biological detector systems and protective gear. Since tests involve spraying simulants outdoors, it is important to understand how much risk they pose to humans who are exposed. Official statements have not always been dear on this matter. A July 1993 news release by the Dugway Public Affairs Office indicates that "no specific safety controls or protection are required for testing with simulants." The statement implies, erroneously, that the simulants are harmless. In fact, during 45 years of open air testing, from time to time the army has stopped using certain simulants for reasons of safety. In each instance the army belatedly recognized they could be causing disease and death, although such information had long been available in the medical literature. This was the case in the 1950s when it ceased using the fungus Aspergillus fumigatus as a simulant. The fungus had long been known to cause aspergillosis, a disease that can be fatal. Similarly, in the 1960s the army stopped using zinc cadmium sulfide, a chemical that had been known for years to cause cancer. In the 1970s, the bacterium Serratia marcescens, a source of infections that can lead to death, was taken out of service as a simulant. And in the 1980s, dimethyl methylphosphonate, a chemical known as DPP, was removed from use as a simulant because of its carcinogenic and other toxic potential. I understand that one of today's witnesses, Earl Davenport, was exposed to DMMP at Dugway in 1984 and may still be suffering health problems as a result. Indeed, simulants now used at Dugway continue to pose risks. The chemical ethylene oxide, which is present in some of the mixtures used in outdoor spraying, is a known carcinogen. The bacterium Bacillus subtilis, while not generally seen as dangerous, is cited in medical textbooks as able to cause serious infections. In truth any microorganism that seems harmless under some circumstances may cause illness under others. Exposure to high concentrations of any microorganism can be critically dangerous to people in weakened conditions. The elderly, the very young, people with AIDS and others who have weakened immune systems are more susceptible to life threatening infections. Nevertheless, the army has not monitored the health of citizens who may have been exposed during its tests while maintaining that its bacterial agents cause no harm. In addition to people who are unwittingly exposed to the army's bacteria and chemicals, human research subjects may not be receiving appropriate information. A test at Dugway in November 1993, for example, raises important questions in this regard. The test was intended to assess the ability of chemical agents to penetrate protective clothing. Test subjects wore special outer garments and were then sprayed with chemicals in simulated battle conditions. An army Environmental Assessment before the test indicated that some of the chemicals could be toxic. Yet the consent form that the subjects signed in advance of the test said nothing about any of the chemicals. Subsequently, two of the test subjects said they were asked to sign another consent form sometime after the test had
Re: [CTRL] Internet Censorship - what a bummer
-Caveat Lector- Well folks, after having a few conversations with some of my contacts, Im convinced that we should all just unsubscribe from the Net and go back to writing good, old-fashioned letters. The internet, perhaps the last truly free means of information exchange in the Western World, may soon be choked by censorship and governmental controls. The circumscribing of the net may cause the death of what has become the first people-to-people exchange of ideas and information on a world wide basis. The forces behind this effort appear at first glance to be an unlikely coalition of conspirators, the CIA, some Jewish Religious groups, and various foreign governments. While this unholy alliance for censorship and control may seem unusual to some, politics makes the bed for these strange fellows. Indisputably, an international cabal of special interest groups both within and out of governments are working both openly and secretly to end the unregulated direct exchange of information between people. At stake is nothing less then the regaining of information control which the internet has shattered. Up for grabs is nothing more than the thinking and decision making abilities of informed men. You probably already have your own theories about this little conspiracy, but I think its time to wake up and smell the coffee folks (particularly those on AOL or AOL lists oops, thats us !!). Information has flowed from the top down for most of this century. Filtering of information by middle men from government, newspapers, radio, and then television has left most people depending upon Paul Harvey "for the rest of the story." Suddenly, almost without warning, the internet mushroomed into popularity connecting people all over the world together electronically and thereby threatening the power of those who disseminate information. If information is power, then the control of information is more power. The ideas of men are shaped by what they are told. For those who hope to erect a "New World Order" upon what they view as the antiquated ashes of free speech, control of the internet has jumped to near top of the list of "things to do." Governments and religious groups manipulate and control people by what they are allowed to know or not know. A decision has been made by the information brokers to end unregulated information exchange. Overnight the propaganda begins as these forces build their case for control and censorship. Quickly the nightly news lights up with horror stories of pornography on the net (in fact as I type the news is relaying yet another perpetrator). Minutes later the same channel runs four hours of lurid programming bringing profanity, sex, sodomites and violence into the homes of viewers who were just shocked about porno on the net (Hello UK Channel 5). Newspapers carry feature length stories about children being lured from home over the computer telephone line, as if somehow typing a request to a child for sex over the phone line is more effective than saying it over the same phone line. The Anti-Defamation League issues reports saying that bomb plans can be found on the net along with anti- Jewish opinion. As if the same were not available in every public library in the United States. Politicians in Washington began to talk about "protecting the children." The same politicians who's destructive social policies and no win wars have destroyed more mothers sons than all the pagan empires of the past. Rabbi Abraham Cooper calls for censorship of politically incorrect ideas in Canada and asks for the establishment of an "internet police." A delegation from the Nazi- hunting Simon Wiesenthal Center in Vienna Austria, which has for the most part run out of eighty year old former Nazis to hunt, takes on the new task of information censors and asks Italian Prime Minister Lamberto Dini, European Union president to back World Jewish Congress initiatives to stop those who disagree on the impact and importance of the holocaust from using the internet. Then in a joint effort of the ADL and the Simon Wiesenthal Center letters are mailed to Internet service providers urging providers not to carry messages that contain non-complimentary opinion about Jews, which is quickly labeled as "cyberhate speech." This is but a glimpse of the public efforts of the information censors to unleash "info police" on the net. It is clear that those who have previously served as the middlemen of politically correct information are distraught at their having been taken out of the loop. Meanwhile, sources within the federal government, who wish to remain unnamed (please dont ask me), reveal that there are considerable behind the scene efforts to bring the flow of information under government control. In the labyrinthine bunkers of the CIA in Arlington Virginia, a team of planners has begun discussion on how to control the net by establishing internet node servers
[CTRL] Skeptic News Wednesday #1
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990210a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # UK GM rules could come 'quickly'. (BBC) Genetically-modified foods may be regulated soon, despite the prime minister's refusal to post a moratorium. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk_politics/newsid_276000/276591.stm @ And: Genetix Food Alert: http://www.essential-trading.co.uk/genetix.htm # Hague tells scientists: Stop playing God http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk_politics/newsid_275000/275946.stm # Blair rules out end to GM foods http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk_politics/newsid_271000/271590.stm : Are we, and everything carbon-based we eat/drink/use, already GM? Is it fun to play god? What GMs would you suggest? Which would you prohibit? Why? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Fridge freezer gets cool treatment. (BBC) This has got to be the coolest gadget yet for the kitchen: a fridge freezer that is hooked up to the Net. Screenfridge, as it is called, allows you to send and receive e-mail, watch television, pay bills and handle personal banking. You can also keep food in it. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_276000/276870.stm # Also: Free Net access for shoppers: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_265000/265740.stm # Net scan-and-shop opens: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_259000/259364.stm # UK losing out to US in online shopping: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_249000/249580.stm : Do genetically-modified foods require web-linked storage? Will GM foods talk directly to their fridges? Are you worried they'll gossip about you? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ ZETA TALK. ZetaTalk leads you through the vast amount of information being relayed by the Zetas in answer to questions posed to their emissary, Nancy. The ZetaTalk answers cover such subjects as portents of a Pole Shift and how this relates to the coming millennium Transformation the world is about to undergo; the self-centered or service-minded spiritual Orientation of humans as well as aliens from other worlds and how inadvertently giving the Call to aliens can put you in touch with one group or the other. http://zetatalk.com : Do you trust messages from the Zetans? Why would they lie to us? What is their secret agenda? Do they control human millennarian groups? Which ones? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Surfing on a matchbox. (BBC) The smallest web server yet has been built and now runs a website. It is part of research to build wearable computers. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_276000/276762.stm @ Links: Stanford's tiny web server: http://wearables.stanford.edu/ @ Phar Lap Software's server: http://smallest.pharlap.com/ @ Thumbcode background: http://boole.stanford.edu/thumbcode : Will 1-chip servers be available this year? Would you have one implanted? Will they have ID tags? Is this The Mark Of The Beast? Is being Beastly fun? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ VIBRANI'S ONE SOURCE. Welcome to Vibrani's One Source, the Keys of Ur. Vibrani's focus is personal transformation through open knowledge for all, communication, self-empowerment, compassion, integration, responsibility and nurturing life, while always respecting autonomy. We herein explore possible applications for universal issues and ways that we can bring metaphysical and spiritual concepts into positive, healthy, practical usage, while honoring diversity and the powerful, multidimensional, multifaceted, immortal, divine beings we truly are. Go to: http://www.vibrani.com/ : Are you an immortal divine being? If not, why haven't you died yet? Have you been transformed? Into what? Does it show? How many facets have you? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Pluto passes Neptune. A rearrangement of the Solar System's outer planets is about to take place as tiny Pluto regains is crown as the most distant planet. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_276000/276944.stm # And: Pluto stays a planet http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_271000/271832.stm # Pluto Finds A Friend: http://www.abqjournal.com/scitech/1sci01-31.htm @ Links: Pluto fact sheet http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/plutofact.html @ Pluto websites http://www.lowell.edu/users/buie/pluto/sites.html : Would you volunteer for a Plutonian research station? Is it quiet there? Do the Alpha Draconians already have an installation there? Is it clean? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ CELESTIAL HOME. Welcome, the great gamma burst detected Jan. 23, 1999 is the first heavenly sign? Also SOHO went off line Jan. 21, 1999. Then Galleo probe around Jupiter, went off line Feb. 1.1999. Could this be just coinci-dence? Just as Marduk said. This is the Channeling of the Nibiru. Visit and enjoy the poems and links and visit our friends. See the solar disk, and city craft poems! Why have poets
[CTRL] Skeptic News Wednesday #2
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990210b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Nessie on the Net - Webcams go searching for the Loch Ness Monster. (BBC) There was a time when to catch a fleeting glimpse of the world's most myth- ical beast meant staying up all night suffering in the cold and rain on the banks of Loch Ness. Not any more. Nessie watching can now be done on the In- ternet. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_274000/274945.stm @ Links: Legend of Nessie: http://www.nessie.co.uk/nessindx.html @ Loch Ness live-cam: http://www.lochness.co.uk/livecam @ Official Loch Ness Monster Exhibition Centre: http://www.discover.lochness.co.uk/ : Will you spend Net-time surfing for Nessie? What'll you do with her if you find her? Can she be trained to search for sunken treasure or war materiel? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Christmas sex dangers revealed. (BBC) Christmas is the season of unprotected sex, according to a study that takes as its evidence a rise in abortions and sexually-transmitted diseases in the New Year. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_274000/274973.stm # And: Teens shy from sex advice: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_274000/274893.stm # Abortion 'part of birth control': http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_263000/263922.stm # Emergency contraception publicity drive: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_212000/212993.stm US TV SHOWS TOO MUCH SEX WITHOUT RESPONSIBILITY: http://cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/TV/9902/09/sex.on.tv/index.html @ Links: Royal Society of Medicine: http://www.roysocmed.ac.uk/ @ British Pregnancy Advisory Service: http://www.bpas.demon.co.uk/ : Are STDs and pregnancy "the gifts that keep on giving"? Do you listen to sex advice? What's your favorite sexual holiday? Do you fuck for deities? Is your devotional sex safe? Should condoms be blessed, enchanted, warmed? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Lawsuit says surgeon made man a eunuch. PONTIAC, Mich. (UPI) A suburban Detroit man who went to the hospital for exploratory surgery says the pro- cedure made him a eunuch and now he's suing the doctor. But the defendant, urologist Dr. Joel Kriegel, says he only removed the man's right testicle because it was damaged. http://nt.excite.com/news/u/990210/11/health-eunuch : Is this evidence of the plot to harvest testicles for the unknowable pur- poses of the Reptilioids? What do you think the ETs do with them? How bad? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Inside Yucca Mountain: Life-or-death safety issues simmering. NEVADA TEST SITE - A tunnel punched through a flank of Nevada's Yucca Mountain may soon become the portal to one of humanity's most enduring monuments. America's proposed final resting place for nuclear fuel, it would have to function longer than governments have stood, longer than languages have been spoken, longer than glaciers have taken to recede. How long can you tread water? See http://www.sacbee.com/news/news/local01_19990207.html : Is Nevada expendable? Is Earth? Are there better things we could be doing with radioactive wastes? Can we make money at it? Would it be hot money? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Arizona Man Selling 'UFO Debris' for $69,000. TUCSON (AP) One might not notice a potato-sized gray and green rock if it weren't for its $69,000 price tag. But Ron Ruiz, owner of the Oro Valley-based Stone People Products, says there is good reason for the price. He claims the item is the remains of a liquid-hulled alien spaceship that crashed in St. Joseph, Mo., in 1947. http://www.abqjournal.com/scitech/1sci02-09.htm : How much would you pay for a UFO? Do liquids make good hulls? What do stone people have to do with alien spacecrafts? Are they stone or stoned? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Very Large Array Gets a Bit Bigger. The Very Large Array, already the world's most powerful radio telescope, got larger earlier this month with the completion of a data link to a radio antenna 30 miles away. Growing - see http://www.abqjournal.com/scitech/1sci12-16.htm _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # The US Senate's Secret Sessions. The greatest deliberative body in the world seems to have something to hide. Many Y2K discussions are happening in secret. http://www.y2kculture.com/politics/19990209.secrets.html # Fears Take Wing. Airlines worry about nervous consumers backing out of 1-1-00 travel plans and plan a PR campaign to soothe frazzled nerves. Don't worry, be Hopi - http://www.y2kculture.com/reactions/19990128.airlines.html : Which Y2K secrets can kill you? Will you fly on 1/1/00? Where to? Have you made out a will? Have you kept your plans secret? Why? Are you a senator? # Chemical Plants Under Wraps. Claiming terrorists could "obtain all this potentially dangerous information," the chairman of the US House Commerce committee said he wants to make it unlawful to
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/9/99 10:55:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A woman who 'consents' to a sexual relationship with her boss because that is the only way to get good raises and gain promotions is being sexually harrassed... Okay, I suggest you talk to Helen Gurley Brown and set her straight. Besides, it's never been the only way to get good raises and gain promotions. It's just been the easy way. I recall quite a few ladies who thought that was the way to go. Glad to hear you're the work-hard-and-earn-it type. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/9/99 10:55:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What past presidents did DOES NOT MATTER...what matters is what we do about the slimeball currently in office. Great. You don't seem to mind the slimeballs in Congress. Is it just the president whom you hold to this higher standard..? Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Internet Censorship - what a bummer
-Caveat Lector- The Internet probably is the last hope for our planet. But old-fashioned letters might become an alternate provisional solution, if we organize properly before the censorship is a reality and/or the Y2K will close down the Net: After all, ultimately it is the trade unions and individuals in the communication sector and not the corporations, their politicians and agencies that decide WHICH ONE of the two antagonistic parties they want to serve and in WHICH WAY, in either of the two situations. In the ideal case the last mentioned situation might even turn out to be to our advantage over the corporations. Ole Source - Richard skrev: -Caveat Lector- Well folks, after having a few conversations with some of my contacts, Im convinced that we should all just unsubscribe from the Net and go back to writing good, old-fashioned letters. The internet, perhaps the last truly free means of information exchange in the Western World, may soon be choked by censorship and governmental controls. The circumscribing of the net may cause the death of what has become the first people-to-people exchange of ideas and information on a world wide basis. The forces behind this effort appear at first glance to be an unlikely coalition of conspirators, the CIA, some Jewish Religious groups, and various foreign governments. While this unholy alliance for censorship and control may seem unusual to some, politics makes the bed for these strange fellows. Indisputably, an international cabal of special interest groups both within and out of governments are working both openly and secretly to end the unregulated direct exchange of information between people. At stake is nothing less then the regaining of information control which the internet has shattered. Up for grabs is nothing more than the thinking and decision making abilities of informed men. You probably already have your own theories about this little conspiracy, but I think its time to wake up and smell the coffee folks (particularly those on AOL or AOL lists oops, thats us !!). Information has flowed from the top down for most of this century. Filtering of information by middle men from government, newspapers, radio, and then television has left most people depending upon Paul Harvey "for the rest of the story." Suddenly, almost without warning, the internet mushroomed into popularity connecting people all over the world together electronically and thereby threatening the power of those who disseminate information. If information is power, then the control of information is more power. The ideas of men are shaped by what they are told. For those who hope to erect a "New World Order" upon what they view as the antiquated ashes of free speech, control of the internet has jumped to near top of the list of "things to do." Governments and religious groups manipulate and control people by what they are allowed to know or not know. A decision has been made by the information brokers to end unregulated information exchange. Overnight the propaganda begins as these forces build their case for control and censorship. Quickly the nightly news lights up with horror stories of pornography on the net (in fact as I type the news is relaying yet another perpetrator). Minutes later the same channel runs four hours of lurid programming bringing profanity, sex, sodomites and violence into the homes of viewers who were just shocked about porno on the net (Hello UK Channel 5). Newspapers carry feature length stories about children being lured from home over the computer telephone line, as if somehow typing a request to a child for sex over the phone line is more effective than saying it over the same phone line. The Anti-Defamation League issues reports saying that bomb plans can be found on the net along with anti- Jewish opinion. As if the same were not available in every public library in the United States. Politicians in Washington began to talk about "protecting the children." The same politicians who's destructive social policies and no win wars have destroyed more mothers sons than all the pagan empires of the past. Rabbi Abraham Cooper calls for censorship of politically incorrect ideas in Canada and asks for the establishment of an "internet police." A delegation from the Nazi- hunting Simon Wiesenthal Center in Vienna Austria, which has for the most part run out of eighty year old former Nazis to hunt, takes on the new task of information censors and asks Italian Prime Minister Lamberto Dini, European Union president to back World Jewish Congress initiatives to stop those who disagree on the impact and importance of the holocaust from using the internet. Then in a joint effort of the ADL and the Simon Wiesenthal Center letters are mailed to Internet service providers urging providers not to carry messages that contain non-complimentary opinion about Jews, which is quickly labeled as "cyberhate
[CTRL] Egytiana: 02-10
-Caveat Lector- From ArabicNews.CoM US has invested $13.5 billion in Egyptian petroleum sector Egypt, Politics, 2/9/99 Egyptian Minister of Petroleum Hamdi El-Banbi said that the United States' investments in exploring and drilling for petroleum in Egypt have reached so far $13.5 billion. During his tour of a petroleum company in the Ras Sheikr area, he said the American companies participate in producing 35% of the total crude oil production in Egypt and 35% of the total natural gas production. El-Banbi stated that the investments of foreign companies exploring for oil was not affect by the decrease in international oil prices. Daniel Kurtzer, the US ambassador in Cairo, had stated that the petroleum field in Egypt provides attractive investments opportunities. Imports from Canada worth $320 million annually Egypt, Economics, 2/9/99 Tourism, trade and industry minister for the Canadian province of Manitoba, James Downey, confirmed that the volume of Canadian exports to Egypt amounts to $320 million annually, while the volume of Canadian imports from Egypt amounts to $80 million, at the top of which come petroleum products. The Canadian official announced during his meeting with the members of an Egyptian trade group in Alexandria he agreed with Egyptian investors on endorsing a cooperation agreement between Manitoba province and Egyptian businessmen. El-Baz: We saved Iraq in Feb 98 Egypt, Politics, 2/10/99 The Egyptian president's political advisor, Osama El-Baz, confirmed that Egypt will remove the technology gap with Israel during the coming years, referring to the astonishing progress in technology. El-Baz also remarked during his meeting with the students from Cairo University, El-Baz said that Egypt exerted great efforts in preventing air strikes against Iraq by means of diplomatic communications that President Mubarak held with the United States, Britain, and the UN secretary general. Egypt succeeded in preventing the strike that was to be carried out in February 1998, clarifying that despite Egypt's position Iraq has thanked Russia but ignored the Egyptian role in preventing the strike, El-Baz said. AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [prj] DOPE SUPPORTERS 03 My Body.A
-Caveat Lector- I would ask each and every one of you WHAT drug cartels existed at the time government began regulating? Certainly there were no Mexican or Columbian drug lords then. They are Johnny-come-lately puppets and stooges, poseurs and wannabes. Look behind them. The first real drug cartel in the modern sense was German. It's still here. It's bigger than ever. It is still the most powerful force in the pharmaceutical industry and a major player on the world economic stage. We just don't hear about it on the news, that's all. The "cartels" we hear about are, at best, among of its subsidiaries. Mostly though, it treats them like labor, underpaid and easily replaced. It is hard for stiffs like us to think of the unbelievable fortunes they make as constituting underpayment, but try. Follow the money. Don't lose the trail in Cali. The REAL money goes to their suppliers, the insidious fascist and Nazi cabal at the core of the modern drug trade. Their extent of their profits, and society's loss, is scarcely conceivable. Suffice to say that they have made the Fascist International, in the guise of its various fronts, a major player on the world economic stage. Worse, the profit is not merely and end in and of itself; it is a means. It feeds the fascist war chest and hastens the day of their total world domination. The users, particularly the small but significant minority of users who are actually addicts, profit least of all the people directly involved. In a very real sense they lose big. We lose bigger. We have lost our basic rights, our security, and common sense. By "warring" on drugs we are providing a funding source to the greatest enemies of liberty the world has ever known. Their puppet politicians have set the price for the commodity the sell at astronomically inflated prices. This is economic warfare. Their ubiquitous propaganda has convinced most of us to go along with it. This is psychological warfare. The drugs themselves are chemical warfare. The real war isn't against drugs, it's against liberty. We're losing the war. The drugs themselves have virtually negligible production costs. Labor, as usual, is what adds the value. The people we hear called "cartels" on the news are laborers. They are soldiers, accountants, pilots, executives, secretaries, lawyers, spies, drivers, loaders and kickers. They are not the bosses. It is best to conceive of them in military terms because that is their primary function. The so called "War On (Some) Drugs" really is a war. It is not a war against drugs; it is a war against us and what is left of our human rights. In military terms the "cartels" we see on the evening news are the "irregular auxiliaries" of the REAL cartel that pulls their strings, the one we do NOT see on the evening news. It uses, and when it chooses to, discards them like the cogs that they are. We see the only gears and think they are the whole machine. To give you some idea of the enormous sophistication with which German chemists have established their dominance in the world of drugs, both legal and illegal, I intend quite shortly to share with you a little story about an ingenious Chemical, Biological Warfare campaign they waged in the years before WWII and during the early part of the war itself. It is the story of Atabrine. It will be, I hope, illustrative of their thought processes and of some of their methods of operation. In subsequent posts I will expand on this theme by way of explaining how the temporary setback inflicted on them by the Allied, particularly the Soviet, armed forces set into motion a series of events that established the modern cocaine trade, and to a lesser extent the heroin trade, as we know it today. In a nutshell, they made the best of a bad situation, the very best. In a very real sense the military defeat of Germany was a blessing in disguise for the Nazis themselves. Every situation, ours today included, has historical roots, is part of a numerous intersecting historical processes, and momentum. We didn't get to be this way over night and we didn't get this way without reason. Nothing stems from nothing. Everything has causes. Everything has roots. If you don't know where our so-called "drug" problem came from you lack clue one as to where it is going. You really should know where it is going because it is dragging you along, whether you like it or not, whether you know it or not, even if you never got high a day in your life. Not all drugs get you high. Of those that do, no two have exactly the same effects. All drugs though, be they legal or not, psychotropic or not, be they whatever, have one thing in common. They all have effects, some obvious, some not so obvious. Sometimes it is the less obvious effects that ultimately prove to have the greatest consequences. This is particularly true when drugs are used in combination with each other. What is less well known is that they can on occasion have additional and sometimes quite
[CTRL] CTRL Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- This list is a really fine group of conspiracy folk. Can't even find the one right under their own noses. There was once a time when you could only post 4 times a day. There were many more "factual" posts and less discussion. Many of the older members are no longer here or post much less frequently. Threads of pure drivel go on forever. There was discussion of splitting the list into one for "serious researchers" by invitation only and then there are the rest of us. Nitwits. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: More on posting reports on chemical plants
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 10:23 AM Subject: FC: More on "posting reports on chemical plants" Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:18:41 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Gull [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FC: Posting reports on chemical plants soon a crime? A natural first reaction to Tom Bliley's proposal to prevent citizens from disclosing or disseminating information regarding chemical plant safety is that chemical companies must have Bliley in their collective pocket. Or perhaps he really believes in selling not only our liberty, but our safety, down the river in the name of protecting us from terrorism. Who knows? Anyway, it's very enlightening to see who's buttering Bliley's bread The following is a list of contributions Congressman Tom Bliley received during the 1997-98 campaign season from PACs associated with chemical companies. Also included in a separate list is a list of contributions from petroleum-related PACs (since it seems likely that Bliley's reasoning, if not the particulars of the bill he has in mind, will protect petroleum refiners, processors, etc. from having to disclose publicly their safety records). Another interesting tidbit is that from 1995-98, Bliley received $100,400 from the Nuclear Energy Institute. (To be fair, practically everyone on the Commerce Committee got money from NEI, and John Dingell (D-MI), the ranking majority member at the time, got more than Bliley. But most got far less.) Let's hope that Bliley doesn't continue trying to "protect" us by banning disclosure of nuclear plant safety information, too. [Sources: FECInfo web site (http://www.tray.com/fecinfo/); Public Citizen web site (http://www.citizen.org/congress/)] Thomas Jerome Bliley, Jr. 1997-98 PAC Contributions -- Chemical Manufacturers, Refiners, and Institutes AIR PRODUCTS AND CHEMICALS INC POLITICAL ALLIANCE 03/08/98 $1,000.00 contribution AMERICAN WOOD PRESERVERS INSTITUTE POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE 09/23/98 $500.00 contribution ATLANTIC RICHFIELD COMPANY, ARCO PAC 12/08/97 $1,000.00 contribution CHEMICAL MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE 10/29/97 $1,000.00 contribution CHEVRON EMPLOYEES POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE 01/20/98 $1,000.00 contribution DUPONT GOOD GOVERNMENT FUND 04/03/98 -$1,500.00 contribution 04/03/98 $1,500.00 contribution 04/03/98 $1,500.00 contribution DUPONT PHARMACEUTICALS CO PAC FKA DUPONT MERCK PHARMACEUTICALS CO PROGRAM ACTIVE CITIZENS 10/01/97 $1,000.00 contribution EASTPAC, POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE OF EASTMAN CHEMICAL COMPANY 08/21/97 $1,000.00 contribution GOODYEAR TIRE RUBBER COMPANY GOOD GOVERNMENT FUND (GOODYEAR GOOD GOVERNMENT FUND) 10/06/98 $1,000.00 contribution 07/08/97 $1,000.00 contribution KERR-MCGEE CORPORATION POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE 04/11/97 $1,000.00 contribution NALCO CHEMICAL COMPANY POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE 10/16/98 $1,000.00 contribution POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE OF EMPLOYEES OF THE DOW CHEMICAL COMPANY (PACE) 09/22/98 $1,500.00 contribution SOLUTIA INC CITIZENSHIP FUND A/K/A SOLUTIA CITIZENSHIP FUND (FKA QUEENY CHEMICAL CO...) 10/08/98 $500.00 contribution 1997-98 PAC Contributions -- Petroleum/Oil/Gas/Energy Companies (Does Not Include Primarily Coal or Electrical Delivery Companies) ALLEGHENY ENERGY INC FEDERAL POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (ALLEGHENY POWERPAC - FEDERAL) 03/23/98 $1,000.00 contribution AMERICAN ELECTRIC POWER COMMITTEE FOR RESPONSIBLE GOVERNMENT; THE 03/07/97 $1,000.00 contribution 10/30/98 $1,000.00 contribution ANKER ENERGY CORPORATION (ANKERPAC) 07/13/98 $1,000.00 contribution BALTIMORE GAS AND ELECTRIC COMPANY POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (BGE PAC) 04/29/97 $1,000.00 contribution CINERGY CORP POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE 04/24/97 $1,000.00 contribution 02/18/98 $1,000.00 contribution CMS ENERGY CORP EMPLOYEES FOR BETTER GOVERNMENT (FKA CONSUMERS POWER COMPANY...) 04/28/97 $1,000.00 contribution CNG TRANSMISSION CORPORATION CONCERNED EMPLOYEES POLITICAL TEAM "CONCEPT" 05/02/97 $500.00 contribution COMMITTEE FOR EFFECTIVE GOVERNMENT - VIRGINIA NATURAL GAS INC 02/03/98 $500.00 contribution COMMITTEE FOR RESPONSIBLE GOVT- VIRGINA POWER, NORTH CAROLINA POWER DOMINION RESOURCES 10/28/98 -$500.00 contribution 10/12/98 $750.00 contribution 10/20/98 $500.00 contribution 03/10/97 $1,000.00 contribution 03/10/97 -$1,000.00 contribution 03/17/98 $750.00 contribution 03/31/98 -$750.00 contribution 03/31/98 $1,000.00 contribution 11/17/97 $750.00 contribution CONSOLIDATED NATURAL GAS SERVICE COMPANY, INC. EXECUTIVES' POLITICAL FUND (CONPAC) 04/30/97 $1,000.00 contribution 04/20/98 $333.00 contribution DTE ENERGY COMPANY POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE-FEDERAL "EDPAC" FKA DETROIT EDISON PAC-STATE 12/10/97 $1,000.00 contribution EDISON INTERNATIONAL PAC 04/15/98 $1,000.00 contribution 01/16/98 $2,000.00 contribution 06/20/97
[CTRL] Phobic Phallwell
-Caveat Lector- From Wash (DC) Post Falwell Calls 'Teletubby' Gay By David Reed Associated Press Writer Tuesday, February 9, 1999; 9:11 p.m. EST ROANOKE, Va. (AP) -- The Rev. Jerry Falwell is trying to out Tinky Winky, suggesting that the purple, purse-toting character on television's popular ``Teletubbies'' children's show is gay. A spokesman for Itsy Bitsy Entertainment Co., which licenses the Teletubbies in the United States, said the purse is actually Tinky Winky's magic bag. ``The fact that he carries a magic bag doesn't make him gay,'' Steve Rice said. ``It's a children's show, folks. To think we would be putting sexual innuendo in a children's show is kind of outlandish.'' The February edition of the National Liberty Journal, edited and published by Falwell, contains an article warning parents that the rotund Teletubby with the triangular antenna may be a gay role model. To support its claim, the publication says Tinky Winky has the voice of a boy but carries a purse. ``He is purple -- the gay-pride color; and his antenna is shaped like a triangle -- the gay-pride symbol.'' Falwell contends the ``subtle depictions'' are intentional and issued a statement Tuesday that said, ``As a Christian I feel that role modeling the gay lifestyle is damaging to the moral lives of children.'' The British show aimed at toddlers began airing on U.S. public television stations last spring. The Teletubbies are portrayed by actors in oversized, brightly colored costumes. They all have television screens on their tummies. Rice said Falwell was attacking ``something sweet and innocent'' to further his conservative political agenda. Falwell's spokeswoman, Laura Swickard, said the founder of the now-defunct Moral Majority agreed with everything that was in the NLJ article and would not comment beyond his one-paragraph statement. © Copyright 1999 The Associated Press AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] SnoOwl: It's true that abortion is legal but, hey///
-Caveat Lector- SnoOwl: Help me out here. Your argument is that, because there are poor, uneducated and imprisoned youth, we should continue to have legalized abortion? To extend this logic, is what you are saying that being poor should be included among the Big Three exceptions to any potential ban on abortion? PLEASE clarify! Sounds as if poverty warrants capital punishment. Even though I am opposed to abortion except in the three most notable cases of rape, incest and endangerment (plus, possibly, one more), and were I to consider changing my stance, your argument would scare the be-jesus out of me!! Edward Dear Mr. Moxley-- In the past month, the state legislature of NY State awarded themselves raises in the $20-40k range. The governor, George Pataki, gave his aides $50k raises. Meanwhile one in four children in NY State live in poverty. People and families cut from the welfare rolls, cannot find jobs or cannot find jobs that pay a living wage. When that changes, and all children born are well-cared for--or at least given a reasonable chance at health, personal safety, and education--then I might consider changing my pro-choice stand. When you argue anti-abortion, you are arguing for exponentially increasing the number of children who will be malnourished, poorly cared for by parents struggling to merely survive, and who, in many cases, will swell the ranks of the prison population. (And yes, Pataki wants to use the budget "surplus" to build new prisons, not to rebuild NY City's Dickensian schools). So, in essence, you are arguing for prisonsand the new slave class. I consider myself a feminist. If a woman cannot support and care for a child--or another child, as the case may be--then she should have abortion as a choice open to her. No woman WANTS an abortion but sometimes abortion is the reasonable choice. You should keep in mind that at least 1/5 of the women who do have abortions are Catholic. That's one out of every five. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om "From the rage of today's downtrodden comes the revenge of tomorrow's revolutionary force." Edward Britton http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5285/connector1.html Talk to the planet: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/Reality_Pump2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CTRL Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- You know, you're right! Everybody on this list is blind to the truth! They have to all wake up and smell what they are shoveling! Let's start a new exchange of information. Right here, right now! I propose the following changes to the list: 1) Instead of "Caveat Lector", the list's new motto will be "Oompa Loompa Loompidy Dee" 2) Anyone who contributes to the more than 10 times a month, now receives the honorary title of "Cap'n" 3) All references to belly-button lint be encrypted. 4) Any conspiracies involving former tennis star Billie Jean King should be immediately discounted 5) Discussions of the career of Leif Garret must be kept to a minimum 6) E-mails can not be sent unless the sender is dressed as a chicken 7) References to airsick donkeys must be treated reverentially 8) If you have beaten an Avon lady to death with her own makeup kit...we want you!!! 9) If you have had phone sex with you loved one, only to find out that the person on the other end was former jazz great Azar Lawrence, don't come crying to us! 10) Projectile vomiting onto girl scouts is grounds for immediate dismissal from the list. Punishment will be no less severe even if you only vomit into their cookies. Thank you DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Company They Keep (pt. 1)
-Caveat Lector- suffered as a result is obvious. Some suffered more than others. The rich suffered least. Few were surprised. That is the way of suffering, war or peace. The Poles, the French, the Belgians, the Dutch, the Serbs, et. al., and especially the Russians certainly suffered while they were losing. Then the tide turned. This is the way of war. Tides turn. Winning now is no guarantee against losing later. Somebody always loses eventually. Civilians start losing on day one. The Wehrmacht lost the war. The Luftwaffe lost the war. The civilians lost the war. The Nazis, however, did not lose the war. The Nazis got away. It is true that a tiny minority of individual Nazis lost the war. Goebbels, Goering, Kaltenbrunner, and the man claiming to be Hess lost the war. Perhaps it is even true that Hitler and Himmler lost the war as well, though forensic evidence to the effect is notably scant. The Nazi Party and the S.S., as organizations, got away intact. They got away with the money, the Reichsbank treasury, $15,000,000,000 in 1945 money. This included the tooth gold. Guinness calls it the world's largest unsolved robbery. Then there was all the stolen art, pieces of which, to this day, occasionally surface. The Nazis did very well in the war, from a business viewpoint. War is a business. It is fought for material gain. The Nazis gained materially, and lived to spend it; thus, they won the war. They did not win as much as they wanted to win, but who does? They did win a great deal. What they lost was territory. What they gained was treasure, new friends, and experience. The treasure included a couple of U-boats full of bearer bonds, numbered stock shares and patent certificates. This represented: *** " . . . the hard core of Nazi wealth in Latin America. In 1944 a great treasure had been sent secretly across the Atlantic, the famous 'Bormann treasure.' Toward the end of 1943, Bormann gave orders for Aktion Fuerland -- "Operation Land of Fire" -- to begin. This operation involved the transport from Germany to Argentina of several tons of gold, some securities, shares, and works of art . . . . . . Several U-boats arrived in Argentine waters after the capitulation of Germany. They were the carriers of bundles of documents, industrial patents, and securities. On July 10, 1945, the U-530 surfaced at the mouth of the River Platte and entered the port of La Plata. The following month, on August 17, the U-977 also arrived at La Plata. In accordance with international conventions, both U-boats were interned by Argentina and later handed over to the United States authorities." -- The Avengers by Michael Bar-Zohar, Hawthorn Books, 1967, p 101 *** To the surprise of few, they were found to be empty of treasure. *** "Two more U-boats, according to reliable sources, appeared off an uninhabited stretch of the coast of Patagonia between July 23, and 29, 1945." -- Ibid., p. 101 *** In occupied Germany one could neither vote with these shares nor could one collect interest, dividends, nor royalties. When (West) Germany again "took its place among the nations of the World" in 1955, the Bundestag immediately changed all this. The holders of these once worthless scraps of paper suddenly, once again, possessed incredibly wealth. Consider the case of I.G. Farben: David M. Nichol, of the Chicago Daily News Foreign Service, writing in 1947, observed: *** "The trial of I.G. Farben's leading officials for war crimes is like Topsy. It just 'growed.' It is still growing. Some of the more starry-eyed in Nuernberg and throughout the world would like to see it as a crusade against "monopoly" and "big business." Others, including Farben's 24 crotchety and dyspeptic executives in the dock, believe it is purely persecution. . . . . . . No trial at all was planned in the beginning. . . . . . . Investigating teams were interested in German finances, as such, in the possible sources of reparations for Nazi damages to other countries, and in tracing as much as possible of the loot that the Germans had concealed outside their borders. Not the least of their interests was Farben's huge headquarters building in Frankfurt. Almost undamaged by bombs and fighting, it has served as the administration center for American occupation forces ever since. . . . . . . German Army headquarters had ordered Farben's records destroyed. Many of them were. One official has compiled from memory a list of the most important ones he burned. It runs 14 pages of single space typing. . . . . . . A handful of officials, were held for detailed but routine questioning. . . . One of them in particular, 63-year-old Georg von Schnitzler, one time head of Farben's entire sales organization . . . began to 'talk.' From Farben's standpoint, the damage
[CTRL] The Company They Keep (pt. 2)
-Caveat Lector- Hermann Schmitz's nephew, Robert was employed by W.R. Grace Co. in the early 1950s to help in its plans for diversification. W.R. Grace paid alleged cocaine dealer John Delorean $25,000 a month as a consultant. Delorean advised W.R. to invest in a luxury RV project. Grace is reported to have dropped a $1,000,000 on the project. The RV never materialized. Companies are known by the people they keep. *** "The Assistant Secretary of War, until 1940 was a member of the law firm of Cravath, de Gersdorff, Swain Wood, which firm . . . had been representing I.G. Farben or its affiliates in the United States. It may appear to be a coincidence that Mr. McCloy should have turned up in the War Department in 1941 in a position in which he could speak with authority on such matters as handling the destruction of that mainstay of Germany's war potential -- I.G. Farben." -- Treason's Peace by Howard Watson Armbruster, Beechurst Press, New York, 1947, p 386 *** Consider the Flicks: *** "Friedrich Flick, the Howard Hughes of West Germany's mighty postwar industrialists, was a man of few public words. But when he spoke people remembered. Defending his financial support of the Nazi party at the Nuremberg war-crime trials, Mr. Flick uttered one of the most quoted statements of the day: 'I was of the opinion necessarily, that political insurance would not do me any harm.' And hardly any of the men who worked for him could ever forget Mr. Flick's guiding business motto: 'Either change the numbers or the faces.' The one paying the closest attention to the words of 'the old gentleman' was his son, Friedrich Flick, who has been adhering to every letter of those precepts since taking over this country's largest family-owned concern after his father died in 1972. Friedrich Karl dared to make one change -- replacing the picture of Bismarck that had hung in his father's office with a portrait of Dad himself -- but otherwise it has been pretty much like father, like son. . . . . . . The son's most audacious move was to sell a 29 percent stake in Daimler-Benz AG, the maker of Mercedes cars, to Deutsche Bank in 1975 for $789.77 million, which amounted to a huge capital gain of $714.55 million on what his father had paid for 40 percent of Daimler stock in the early 1950s. Under West German law, the profit from the Daimler transaction would have normally been taxed at a rate of 56 percent unless Flick reinvested the money before the end of 1978 in projects judged by the government to be 'especially beneficial to the national economy.' Mr. Flick went on a rapid spending spree, and although more than half the money flowed into the U.S., including some $400 million for a 29 percent stake in W.R. Grace Co. of New York, the West German Economics Ministry granted tax-exempt status to all but a fraction of the new investments." -- The Wall Street Journal, 9/21/83 *** Then there are the Thyssens. *** ". . . the Thyssen family learned the facts of corporate life at an early age. Count Fredrico Zichy-Thyssen acquired his knowledge from grandfather Fritz Thyssen; his cousin Baron Hans Heinrich Thyssen-Bornemisza acquired similar corporate wisdom from his father, old Fritz's brother, Heinrich Thyssen. The latter became Baron Heinrich Thyssen-Bornemisza and took up residence in Lugano, Switzerland, gaining Swiss citizenship. As Count Zichy represents the largest shareholder group in Thyssen A.G. From his home in Buenos Aires, the young baron directs his interest from his Villa Favorita in Lugano. One such holding in the United States is Indian Head Inc., with American corporate headquarters at 1200 Avenue of the Americas, New York City. Thyssen Inc. has its U.S. offices farther down this avenue at number 1114, in the W.R. Grace Co. building. Indian Head is a wide-ranging manufacturing conglomerate, with 42 plants in the United States and 10,400 employees. It enjoys annual net sales of close to $604 million. For an industrial corporation of such size it has a remarkably low profile. It distributes no annual report -- 'We are a privately held corporation.' Like Thyssen Inc. in the United States it has no background ownership file with the SEC because it has never had to go public. When Thyssen bought Budd Manufacturing for $275 million, it was in cash, and there was no requirement for corporate disclosures to the Securities and Exchange Commission. Still, good will is cherished, and German industrials and bankers continue to strive to project a friendly German image in the United States. One noteworthy announcement, made from Washington, D.C., in March 1979 was that 57 priceless Old Masters paintings from the collection of Baron Thyssen-Bornemisza would be taken on a tour of the United States in 1979 and
[CTRL] Skeptic News Wednesday #3
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990210c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ** CONSERVATIVES LIBERALS AGREE: ** 'PROTECT YOUR PRIVACY: THREATS IN THE DIGITAL AGE' ** LIVE TV WEBCAST ON THE RIGHT CHANNEL AT: ** http://www.therightchannel.com ** FEBRUARY 10TH, 8:00-10:00PM EST : No-USAnians, you're out of luck. But it may be entertaining. I'll be busy. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ BEDROOM EYES. Americans are lousy in the sack. Or a lot of them are, anyway. Nearly 1/3 of men and 43% of women suffer from some sort of sexual dysfunc- tion - either they don't like it, don't want it, or aren't any good at it. The JAMA study, billed as the most significant survey of American sexual behavior since the landmark Kinsey report in 1948, details a smorgasbord of hang-ups and physical problems: lack of desire, difficult arousal, premature orgasms (or no orgasm at all), pain during sex, fear of failure, and sex without pleasure. So that's why Viagra's sales are skyrocketing. Fukitall - see http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/explode-infobeat/story/17846.html : Are other nationalities any better/worse? Does this result from society, industrialism, TV, aliens, religion, politics, economics, drugs, Illuminati? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ BOTSPOT. Even tho bots are the current rage in portals and the Internet, they've actually been around for more than 30 years. What's a bot? Short for "robot," a bot is an electro.sentry - AKA an intelligent agent - that scours the Web to help you find what it is you're looking for. It's kind of like a search engine, but a bot is a little more fine-tuned and personalizable, able to adapt to your needs and learn from previous retrievals. 3-year-old BotSpot is the site to visit if you want to learn more about these programs and where to find the best ones. The site profiles a "bot of the week," reviews the selected bots, and provides a glimpse at this fascinating and burgeoning area of computing. See http://www.botspot.com : Will bots, borgs and other AI/ALs ever gain citizenship? Will they have religions, politics, arts, sports, or are they too smart for that? Why? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ *** S. Korea embraces Chinese characters. SEOUL (AP) - Stepping into one of South Korea's oldest debates, Pres. Kim DaeJung has ordered the use of Chin-ese characters in gov't documents and on street signs. The move has drawn fire from some Korean linguists. 30 Korean language scholars and Activists chanted: "Stop the linguistic contamination!" during a rally in front of the main government complex in Seoul. South Korea is proud of the 556-year-old Korean alphabet, called Hangul. Ancient Koreans borrowed Chinese characters to record their communications. In 1443, King Sejong of Korea's last Yi dynasty invented and promulgated the Korean alphabet. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558397956-df7 : Would you fight if your alphabet was changed? Are your language/alphabet divine, demonic, scientific, alien, insane, hide-bound, workable, bogus? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ *** Jan. sets tornado record. WASHINGTON (AP) - Springlike weather patterns produced a record 163 tornadoes over the US in January 1999, the most ever for the first month of the year. The total is more than three times the previous record, 52, in January 1975. The January tornadoes were caused by an unusual weather pattern for the month: a southerly flow of wind from the Gulf of Mexico, which brought in moisture at low levels, and then combined with a strong upper air pressure, which causes wind at about 30,000 feet. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558398037-f12 : Are climate changes resultant from global warming, CIA tests, alien manip- ulation, divine wrath, microscopic radioactive intergalactic spiders, farts? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ *** Lovers visit St. Valentine's grave. DUBLIN, Eire (AP) A quiet Carmelite priory off a bustling Dublin street holds a special place in Irish hearts, for here lie the revered remains of St. Valentine. At least, that's what the splintering 163-year-old parchment from Pope Gregory XVI says - although the Roman Catholic Church may have left St. Valentine's heart in Scotland and reserved other martyred body parts for his Italian hometown. But that won't dissuade romantic Dubliners from claiming Valentine as theirs, and theirs alone. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558402895-89e : Does your religion have saints for fertility? Are supernatural entities required or optional for reproductive processes? Who's the saint of divorce? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ EarthHit items: # Norwegian Scientists discover crater from giant meteor http://cnn.com/TECH/science/9902/09/giant.crater.ap/ # Scientists find evidence of Argentine asteroid
Re: [CTRL] [prj] DOPE SUPPORTERS
-Caveat Lector- "M.A. Johnson" wrote: -Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: This is how modern society is organized. If you don't like it, move to Libertaria. MJ: Whatever the MOB says goes? Certainly a Tyranny easily identified by another name. You keep calling groups of people a mob. Surely not every human grouping is a mob in your adolescent philosophy is it? There are gangs, and tribes, and citizens, and teams, and consumers, and populations. But you see us all as mobs. No wonder you don't have the courage to live in a democracy. nurev wrote: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've heard this song before. But do keep it up. This is what keeps Libertarians irrelevant as a political group. MJ: Ad hominem, straw man. Sub-Homminy, Tin Man. Regard$, --MJ We won't dispassionately investigate or rationally debate which drugs do what damage and whether or how much of that damage is the result of criminalization. We'd rather work ourselves into a screaming fit of puritanism and then go home and take a pill. -- P.J. O'Rourke O'Rourke hasn't been funny since he was a Lefty on the Lampoon. Sad really. He had potential. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Justinian Theodora Stars Bill Hillary (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- "JUSTINIAN THEODORA" STARS BILL HILLARY === (CNNS, 02/10/99) -- In these dark days, with Bill Hillary's power about to become UNTOUCHABLE, a plan for light entertainment is contemplated, as a way to take our minds off inevitable decline. The play would be called "Justinian Theodora." The cast of characters: JUSTINIAN (played by Bill Clinton): Justinian is emperor of Byzantium, 518 A.D. through 565 A.D. From the book, "The Secret History," by Procopius, we ascertain the character of Justinian: For without the slightest hesitation he used to embark on the inexcusable murdering of his fellow-men [e.g. the Sudan Aspirin factory] and the plundering of other people's property [e.g. asset forfeiture]; and it did not matter to him how many thousands lost their lives, although they had given him no provocation whatever. Well, then, this emperor [Justinian, played by Bill Clinton] was dissembling, crafty, hypocritical, secretive by temperament, two-faced; a clever fellow with marvellous ability to conceal his real opinion, and able to shed tears, not from any joy or sorrow, but employing them artfully when required in accordance with the immediate need, lying all the time... [Procopius further opines that], when a man cares nothing for the infamy of his actions, and does not hesitate to be known to all and sundry as a revolting character, no path of lawlessness is closed to him, but armed with the shamelessness visible at every moment in his face, he advances cheerfully and without any misgivings to the most loathsome deeds. THEODORA (played by Hillary Clinton): Theodora is wife of Justinian. She is the real power in Byzantium. She rules as emperess ca. 518 A.D. until her death ca. 547/548 A.D. From the historian Procopius, we see some of the character of Theodora: Now we must sketch the outlines of what she and her husband did in unison, for neither did anything apart from the other to the end of their joint lives. For a long time it was universally believed that they were exact opposites... but later it was recognized that this false impression had been deliberately fostered to make sure that their subjects did not put their own differences aside and rebel against them, but were all divided in their feelings about them [i.e. Justinian Theodora, played by Bill Hillary.] BYZANTIUM (played by Washington, DC): According to Procopius (who Gibbon, in his book, "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire," although he "criticizes the =tone= of 'The Secret History,' had no hesitation in reproducing its statements as objectively true..." [1]), the character of Byzantium is summarized as follows: ...like any other disease the infection that began in the capital rapidly spread all over the Roman Empire. [Byzantium] gathered into [its] own hands the private property of all the Romans in every land, either accusing them of some crime they had never committed, or coaxing them into the belief that they had made a free gift. THE SENATE (played by the U.S. Senate): Says Procopius: Sad to say, not even one member of the Senate, seeing the State straddling itself with this disgrace, saw fit to protest... --- Notes --- [1] From Introduction to "The Secret History," Penguin Classic edition (1966) by G.A. Williamson. Brian Redman | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.shout.net/~bigred/cn.html Editor-in-Chief| ---Phone: 217-356-4418 Conspiracy Nation | "The perfect slave thinks he's free." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OEN 2/10/99
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Impeached POTUS The Perils of Losing Justice Opens Case Against Starr The Justice Department has opened a formal inquiry to determine whether Kenneth Starr's prosecutors misled Attorney General Janet Reno about possible conflicts of interest, the NEW YORK TIMES reports in Wednesday editions. "The inquiry will focus on whether the prosecutors were truthful when they asserted that there had been no contacts between Starr's office and Paula Jones' legal team in the weeks leading up to Starr's decision to ask Reno to expand his inquiry beyond the Whitewater matter," the paper's David Johnston and Don Van Natta report. "A series of newly disclosed notes taken at the initial meetings on Jan.15 and Jan. 16, 1998, between Starr's prosecutors and Justice Department officials shows that the prosecutors flatly asserted that there were no contacts with the Jones team." But Johnston and Van Natta report that documentation has been discovered that indicates there were conversations between a prosecutor in Starr's office and a lawyer working behind the scenes with the Jones legal team. The notes have become crucial evidence in the Justice Department inquiry, reports the TIMES. Justice also intents to investigate whether Starr "abused his authority to convene grand juries, or improperly pressed witnesses, like Ms. Lewinsky, and disclosed secret grand jury information to the news media." RENO WANTED TO PUNISH STARR LAST SPRING At one point last spring, Attorney General Janet Reno asked her senior aides to research whether she had the authority to discipline Starr in some way, one source tells the paper. Reno has been troubled by what she believes are possible violations of Justice Department guidelines. Also, Starr's prosecutors and Justice Department officials have feuded privately, according to the report. The Drudge Report, Feb. 9, 1999 Impeached POTUS Clinton's Calls to Monica Taped? Lott Wants Starr to Investigate WASHINGTON - In an 11th-hour surprise, Senate GOP leader Trent Lott has drafted a letter asking Sexgate prober Kenneth Starr to check if there's a White House taping system that picked up Sexgate chats, sources say. "Based on press reports about an alleged White House taping system, it has been proposed to Lott that the proper authorities be engaged in finding the truth," Lott spokesman John Czwartacki told The Post last night. Czwartacki declined to give details, but sources said as of last night, Lott hadn't yet sent the letter. The latest twist comes as the Senate is racing toward an impeachment vote on President Clinton by Friday, with senators dead-set against any delay - and so far well short of the 67 votes needed to convict him. One source insisted, "this isn't a fishing expedition," and said there might be specific names for Starr to contact. "There's no certainty that [tapes] exist," Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) said on Fox News last night, adding it would be "good news for everyone" if tapes do exist because they'd reveal the truth. Asked if there are any Sexgate-linked tapes of President Clinton's phone calls, White House spokesman Jim Kennedy last night said: "Not that the lawyers are aware of." A central issue in Clinton's impeachment trial has been whether, in phone conversations, he explicitly urged Monica Lewinsky to lie (both of them deny it) and what he told his pal Vernon Jordan about her. Any hint of a White House taping system would inevitably spark memories of Watergate, when Richard Nixon's tapes of conversations in the Oval Office destroyed him. But Nixon's system was a voice-activated bug in the room - at issue here is whether the Clinton White House tapes phone calls. When Fox News reported rumors of a White House taping system last week, Clinton spokesman Joe Lockhart said "there's no system that I'm aware of." Lockhart added that "we certainly have the ability to tape some phone calls. We do this when we do a phone interview where we provide [reporters] with a transcript" but, by contrast, he said, phone calls with foreign leaders aren't routinely taped. The White House telephone system is run by a military agency known as the White House Communications Agency, which is under the Pentagon. Kennedy, the White House spokesman, was unable to say last night whether the taping used for Clinton phone interviews is always in place or must be specially set up. In summations yesterday, Rep. Henry Hyde urged senators to convict Clinton of impeachment charges and shun the most appealing alternative - a censure vote that leaves him in office - as a coward's way out. In an unexpected attack, Hyde called censure "a way of avoiding the harsh constitutional option - and it's the only one you have - of up or down on impeachment." Senators begin deliberations today on a verdict. Unless 67 senators vote otherwise, that debate will be behind
[CTRL] Fwd: 02.09.99 RMNews Alerted Its Readers About Tapes in the White House About...
Does The White House Tape Everything? 02.09.99 RMNews-- In an article published close to a year ago, and posted this entire time on a web page, Rumor Mill News alerted its readers and the American public about the White House Communications Agency. In the article we posed the question, "How many people can blackmail a President?" We pointed out that the Navy runs the White House Communications Agency (WHCA, pronounced "wakka"). We pointed out that they tape almost everything. We also stated that Navy Intelligence permeates every aspect of the Navy, and if the Navy was recording these tapes, then Navy Intelligence has copies of them. The focus of the article was blackmail, which would lead to treason, which would lead to impeachment. If impeachment was not successful, then the alternative is assassination. The article was titled: Blackmail, Treason, Impeachment, Assassination The article also posed questions about photos and tapes that were made in Arkansas while Clinton was Governor. What were in those tapes and photos and who controls them? And is the President being blackmailed using these tapes? If people like Charlie Trie and John Huang controlled the tapes, that would mean that Communist China had items with which they could blackmail and control the President of the United States of America. Are these tapes the real reason behind the transfer of secret technology to Communist China? The Communist Chinese could use these videos and photos to blackmail Bill Clinton and force him to commit treason. If treason was committed, then the President could be impeached, if impeachment was not successful, then there was one other alternative... Many Congress people have quoted Benjamin Franklin in the past few months. Regarding impeachment, Franklin said, "Impeachment is the alternative to assassination." The following cryptic message appeared on my fax machine a few days ago. Fax message from Source 02.03.99 "Ben Franklin said that 'impeachment is the alternative to assassination' "What if a Senate is too intimidated to convict and remove?" Was my Source implying that if impeachment did not work that they would have no alternative except one to remove the President? RMNews Sources have implied that the Senate trial that is currently going on is just a cover for the real trial. Several months ago RMNews alerted its readers to a secret military court that had summoned President Clinton to a secret meeting at Ft. McNair. It was speculated that the secret military court was set up to try the President on charges of treason. Since the treason charges could not be brought into the light of day, without endangering national security secrets, a sham Senate Impeachment Trial would be conducted to remove the President. It appears as if the White House spin machine and the White House secret police have been successful in intimidating the Senate. Therefore, other methods must now be employed. The first method will be to force the White House to admit that there are secret tapes of conversations which the White House heretofore has refused to turn over to the Office of Independent Council under a subpoena. While it is unlikely that these tapes will not change the public's opinion to have him removed, it could very well change the Democratic Senators position. Why is this? Because the Democratic Senators will be forced to face the possibility that more of the President's scandals will surface. Since the Senators don't know what could possibly surface, do they cast their own lot in with the President by voting not to remove? If they do this and other information arises which implicates the President in treason, then will the Senators that voted against removing the President be tainted by the suspicion of Treason? This alone, should be enough to get the attention of the Democratic Senators! They must obtain the tapes that the White House Communications Agency has, if only to protect their own behinds. It has been brought to the attention of RMNews that WHCA tapes all calls the President makes to foreign leaders. It takes 15 minutes to set up the equipment to tape these calls. It is possible that WHCA has caught conversations that were being taped in the 15 minutes it took to fully set up the equipment. Or at least, this is what WHCA will claim when they produce tapes of Clinton's calls. To claim anything else could put them in jeapardy. If the President or one of his aides, told WHCA to set up its equipment while the President was talking to Monica or to someone else, then it is possible that WHCA has recorded information that could lead to the resignation or removal of the President. The information on these tapes will probably not have anything to do with sex, it will probably show that thePresident is being blackmailed and because of the blackmail he has committed treason! One other piece of information that RMNews readers should consider right now is that numerous Sources to
Re: [CTRL] CTRL Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Frank Newsom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list is a really fine group of conspiracy folk. Can't even find the one right under their own noses. Some of us notice it...but don't want to waste our limited daily allotment of postings commenting on it...we hope that by ignoring it it MAY go away... There was once a time when you could only post 4 times a day. I've been on this list for years, and the only limit I've known of is the current '7-a-day' one in force... There were many more "factual" posts and less discussion. I suspect some members are getting around the post limit by subscribing with alternate IDs, pretending to be different people...but continuing their favorite rants with this ruse... There was discussion of splitting the list into one for "serious researchers" by invitation only and then there are the rest of us. Yes, I thought it was a good idea, and wonder what became of it... June === "To love another person is to see the face of God." -Les Miserables === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: WHAT IF THERE IS ANOTHER MONICA?
http://www.softwar.net/comint9.html WHAT IF THERE IS ANOTHER MONICA? Pentagon - Virginia USAF officials are worried that two more Monica Lewinsky events could empty U.S. missile stocks. However, the USAF made it official - no new cruise missiles will be bought to replace the 90 ALCM AGM-86B missiles fired at Iraq. Instead, the USAF plans to spend $53 million converting 92 of the final inventory of 130 nuclear tipped AGM-86B missiles into conventional weapons. The extra 92 missiles will leave the USAF with about 200 conventional cruise missiles or enough for two more "Desert Fox" like attacks. JUST IN TIME FOR A GORE SCANDAL Pentagon - Virginia The replacement for the USAF AGM-86B is currently being funded. 87 stealthy "JASSM" missiles are scheduled for USAF delivery in 2001 enough for one Monica scale event. SAR PREDATOR OVER IRAQ Kuwait City - Kuwait The USAF has moved synthetic aperture radar (SAR) equipped UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles) to the middle east. The SAR equipped Predators are flying reconnaissance missions over Iraq at night and during bad weather. The USAF goal is to track Iraqi mobile air defenses using the advanced, imaging, radar. SAR equipped F-15E Strike Eagles already roam the night skies of Iraq. U.S. Predator SAR radars are reported to be sensitive enough to determine the difference between two calibers of artillery. COSTIND WINS AWARD Beijing - China COSTIND has won a domestic victory over the rival Central Military Command (CMC) of the Chinese Army. The new boys'n green from COSTIND beat out the old soldiers from Central Command, winning the favor of Prime Minister Zhu Rongji. COSTIND has been awarded complete administrative control of Aviation Industries of China (AVIC). AVIC controls 100 large and medium sized businesses, including China's state airlines, 30 research institutes and 7 state funded labs. AVIC employees over 500,000 Chinese aerospace workers and manufactures bombers, fighters, engines, electronics and missiles. Chinese officials claim the move is to remove military ownership of aerospace firms. COSTIND, however, is a Chinese military unit. The new powers for COSTIND makes them the most powerful Chinese Army unit outside the Communist Party State Council. BUSINESS MARXISM DO MIX AVIC HQ - Beijing China COSTIND has already announced their first western-like business move... A major down-size. COSTIND plans to cut 150,000 jobs over the next 3 years in a communist/corporate restructuring of AVIC. QUOTA SYSTEM Capitol Hill Washington D.C. Lockheed/Martin has more lobbyists on Capitol hill these days than the White House. Lockheed has put big investment in the Russian Proton rocket to launch a number of LM satellites into geosyncronous orbit (GEO). Russia, however, is over-booked as per the U.S. satellite export quotas. Under the restrictions, Russia has 16 GEO launch permits through the year 2000. Russia currently has 9 remaining.LM is covering the Hill like a swarm of ants, hoping to find enough support to lift the quota against Russia GEO launches so they will not loose money backing the Proton. LORAL DEPENDS ON RUSSIAN ROCKETS State Dept. - Washington D.C. Loral has a "GO" from the State Dept. to launch more satellites for GLOBALSTAR on Russian Proton rockets. The Globalstar system of low earth orbit satellites (LEO) are not covered by the GEO satellite export quota. The first Proton launch is scheduled this spring. Loral lost Globalstar 12 satellites in July 1998 on a failed Zenit launch. Loral had to purchase U.S. built DELTA rockets to put replacement Globalstar satellites into orbit because of the satellite export restrictions. The Delta launches have no security restrictions but cost more and are (generally) more reliable than their Russian or Chinese counter-parts. RUSSIAN HERO OF THE STATE REWARDED Baikonur Cosmodrome - Kazakhastan On December 30, 1998, a Russian Proton rocket successfully launched three Glonass navigation satellites into orbit. However, one of the Glonass satellites appeared to fail and communications with the spacecraft was lost. Russian Air Force officer Col. Oleg Bondar devised a way to re-store communications with the lost satellite and saved the spacecraft. Col. Bondar was given an official reward for saving the Glonass satellite... his back pay for 1998. 1 if by land, 2 if by sea. Paul Revere - encryption 1775 Charles R. Smith SOFTWAR http://www.softwar.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pcyphered SIGNATURE: D787F59CF581B011815DCB521B3C3E1F842907A7B8CD4ED3CD5F45C425FF2230 4AE7BC867E7ADCB4FB96006608B7F5334A03C024130EEA7A733D2E2BE5B7C19D 535C8B7AB0367EBD SOFTWAR EMAIL NEWSLETTER02/10/99 *** to unsubscribe reply with "unsubscribe" as subject***
[CTRL] The Stargate Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- from: [Rennes-le-chateau] Digest Number 36 - Message: 2 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:51:27 -0500 From: Andrew Ormston [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Stargate Conspiracy "The Stargate Conspiracy" exposes the most insidious and dangerous plan of our times. Centred on the search for lost secrets of the pyramid builders, this extraordinary true story reveals the links between US scientific intelligence agencies, Mars and ancient Egypt. For almost 50 years, like Frankenstein's monster, this conspiracy has been put together from cultish - but astonishingly powerful - belief systems, culminating in the emergence of a new fundamentalism that is gathering strength by feeding on Millennium fever. Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince reveal the secret agenda that unites apparently independent authors and researchers - including top names with millions of readers worldwide - and which is targeted to all of us. The Stargate Conspiracy reveals that even the genuine musteries of the gods themselves have been hijacked by powerful cabals - whic include top industrialists, politicians, scientists and intelligence agencies such as MI5 and the CIA - in order to fulfill their secret agenda. At the heart of this conspiracy is the belife that the ancient Egyptian gods we - and are - extra terrestrial beings, that certain key people are in contact with them, and that they are about to return through the 'stargate' between our world and theirs. Are we prepared for the imminent return of the gods? And will we be expected unquestioningly to accept the conspirators as our spokesmen? Or is this an exercise in mass manipulation designed to make us support the conspirators? As they calculatedly whip up Millennium fever, triumphantly persuading us that they alone know how to talk to the gods, this book serves as a serious warning to mankind. ISBN 0 316 64861 2 £18.99 320pp June release - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [prj] DOPE SUPPORTERS
-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: This is how modern society is organized. If you don't like it, move to Libertaria. MJ: Whatever the MOB says goes? Certainly a Tyranny easily identified by another name. nurev wrote: You keep calling groups of people a mob. MJ: Only where warranted. nurev wrote: Surely not every human grouping is a mob in your adolescent philosophy is it? Ad hominem, straw man nurev wrote: There are gangs, and tribes, and citizens, and teams, and consumers, and populations. But you see us all as mobs. No wonder you don't have the courage to live in a democracy. MJ: I am not interested in being ruled by the whim of 50%+1 of the population. I prefer liberty. Regard$, --MJ It is the besetting vice of democracies to substitute public opinion for law. This is the usual form in which the masses of men exhibit their tyranny. -- James Fenimore Cooper DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bill Clinton Conjures (With) Justinian (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- BILL CLINTON CONJURES (WITH) JUSTINIAN == (CNNS, 02/10/99) -- The Latin *coniuratio* (conspiracy, plot) yields to the French *conjuration* (conspiracy, exorcism) and bifurcates into the English pair: conspiracy/conjure. Bill Clinton has conjured up the Byzantine emperor Justinian. He seeks Justinian's advice.Together they conspire (breathe together). As Hillary Clinton conjures Eleanor Roosevelt, Bill Clinton conjures Justinian. Bill Clinton, like Tiberius Caesar, finds he cannot sleep. In the dark hours of night, like Lincoln before him, he summons forth the departed -- someone to talk with. Let us listen to the talk between Bill Clinton and Justinian: JUSTINIAN: Who DARES summon the Immortal!? CLINTON: It is I, Bill Clinton, of Arkansas. JUSTINIAN: Puny man, knowest not thou to whomst thou speakest!? CLINTON: No. Not exactly. JUSTINIAN: It is =I=, the Illustrious; Justinian, Supreme Ruler of All Kingdoms, Terror of East and West. Kneel thou dog! Else thou shalt be thrown into the dungeons of Theodora! CLINTON: But I am Clinton, also a King. Many women kneel before me. JUSTINIAN: Comest thou under a flag of truce!? CLINTON: Yes. I come to parley. JUSTINIAN: Hast thou GOLD to offer!? CLINTON: No. I have, though, these Federal Reserve notes. [Places paper money on table.] JUSTINIAN: FOOL!!! What good be these silly parchments! They shall be burned, dog, together with thyself! CLINTON: I can offer much blood. Many are the innocents I have ordered killed. JUSTINIAN: (Considers.) Very well. Much blood is the provenance of kings. CLINTON: I seek advice, Oh Illustrious One. How best must I rule? JUSTINIAN: Thou begs for wisdom? CLINTON: Yes, Oh Illustrious One. JUSTINIAN: Then listen well. When I ascended to the throne, it took only a very little while for me to bring everything into confusion. Things hitherto forbidden by law were one by one brought into public life, while established customs were swept away. I quickly sought to invest myself with new forms of majesty by changing things to new forms. I did so not because justice required the upheaval, but only so everything might have a new look and be associated with my NAME. See thou not my cunning? CLINTON: Yes. The new forms all bore your name. JUSTINIAN: Of the forcible seizure of property and the murder of my subjects I was never sated. The Senators learned soon to fear the power of my arm. But the peasants, the backward rural folk, held to the old beliefs. So I sent out at once an army of officials. These officials forced everyone they met to renounce his ancestral beliefs. Yet in the eyes of country people such a suggestion was blasphemy; so they resolved one and all to stand their ground against the men who made this demand. CLINTON: Oh I can identify with that! These rural folks are dead-set against me! But I just had my buddies at Shell Oil do a never-ending commercial, about evil rednecks in old pick-up trucks. Ha, ha, ha! I made it like they were all predators, stalking defenseless women!! Ha-ha! JUSTINIAN: Silence, fool! Or you hear no more. CLINTON: Yes, Oh Illustrious One. JUSTINIAN: A religious cult, the Montanists, defied me. They were established in Phrygia. They (it is said) shut themselves up in their own churches and at once set these buildings on fire. CLINTON: Oh, wow! I mean, WOW! That is just like what happened with me! Down in Waco, Texas, the Branch Davidians (it is said) set their own church on fire. JUSTINIAN: Thou talkest much. The rural folk continued to defy me. The peasants, at a mass meeting, resolved as one man to take up arms against the Emperor. They joined battle with the soldiers and held out for some time. But in the end, they lost the fight and were cut to pieces. At last, to avoid being caught, every man was glad to exchange his homeland for another country, as if his own had fallen into enemy hands. CLINTON: Not here, where I am King! Here we've got a big "Dump Here" sign, given us like a Trojan Horse, by the French, a cunning strategy they JUSTINIAN: "French"? I know not the name. CLINTON: Uh, Gaul, in your time. Yeah, they gave us this "gift", a Trojan Horse it was. They called it the Statue of Liberty! It was like a big neon sign to the world: "Dump Excess Here." But our people aren't accepted by them, those other nations, if they want to get out of this country. So we just build lots of dungeons (you'd call them) and that's where =we= dump =our= excess. So it's not like in your time. No one now can flee. JUSTINIAN: Thou art a prattler and a chatterer. Thou art a child in the sinister ways of power. Depart, foolish one. Thou canst nay be the power. I look for the true power in thy kingdom. CLINTON: Oh, you mean Hillary? Will you talk
[CTRL] Fw: DRUDGE-REPORT-FINAL 02/10/99
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: DRUDGE REPORT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 7:25 PM Subject: DRUDGE-REPORT-FINAL 02/10/99 X DRUDGE REPORT X 02/10/99 23:09 UTC X PAPER: CLINTON SET TO DECLARE WAR ON GOP! The redhotfirehot NEW YORK TIMES is back in the lead again on Thursday with a high impact story about to be slugged exclusive and sent off to the printing press: CLINTON SAID TO DECLARE WAR ON HOUSE REPUBLICANS OVER IMPEACHMENT! According to publishing sources who have seen the Page One, reporters James Bennet and Richard Berke take dictation from their White House sources and learn that President Clinton is "so furious" at House Republicans over his impeachment, he has personally vowed to mount an "all-out offensive to knock off many of his foes and win back the House" for Democrats in 2000! Clinton now viewed winning back the House as almost as important an affirmation of his legacy as electing Vice President Al Gore, says the report. One Clinton aide tells the TIMES: "It will be a personal crusade. The man knows he's done wrong. But he also knows they should not have taken it to the extreme they have. He says: 'It's the unfairness of this whole process. These right-wingers who tried to undo the election.'" The TIMES, which is creating maxi-NEXIS action during the impeachment finale, has left the WASHINGTON POST in the dust with a string of stories that have captured media attention. A WASHINGTON POST/NEW YORK TIMES feud has been developing behind-the-scenes in recent months over which paper can grab the best impeachment story. One NEW YORK TIMES staffer tells the DRUDGE REPORT that the POST has suffered because it has been too anti-Clinton in its coverage! "Almost from the very begging of this thing, the POST has been perceived as too anti-Clinton," whispers a NEW YORK TIMES insider. "They burned a lot of their sources, who now have been coming to us." The POST will just have to sit back and watch once again on Thursday when the TIMES jumps ahead of the pack with its CLINTON WAR story. GEFFEN GOES AFTER ROGAN Hollywood mogul David Geffen has his eyes on Rep. James Rogan [R-CA] -- and it's not to star in a DREAMWORKS movie. "After these years of Ken Starr, people are more energized than I've seen them since the '60s and '70s," Geffen tells the TIMES. "Many of us are looking forward to spending time and money and effort to defeating James Rogan." X X X X X NO HEROS, SAY GERMOND AND WITCOVER "Watergate was serious business. But the Monica Lewinsky episode has been both too shabby and too trivial to produce any political winners, let alone heroes." Jack Germond and Jules Witcover, circa 1999. The seasoned ones at the BALTIMORE SUN issue a column on Thursday that describes the Monica Lewinsky impeachment as a "penny-ante crisis" that was a "stinking mess." Jules, more sour than usual, writes long about his Watergate days, when there "were winners all over the spectrum." Now 25 years later, during Lewinsky, everyone is a loser. "Great crises in American history usually produce memorable figures. But this has been a penny-ante crisis, caused by the self-indulgence of the president and seized upon by moralists with their own political agendas. Rather than memorable figures, it has produced laughingstocks for late-night television shows." But not all old timers have a completely cynical view of the new impeachment generation. David S. Broder and Dan Balz writing in Thursday's WASHINGTON POST quote one societal expert: "I think this is another Vietnam and Watergate that will degrade and divide our politics for years to come." Broder/Balz pick the brian of Don Eberly, director of the Civil Society Project in Harrisburg: "The scandal will further hollow out our institutions. Trust is eroding. Goodwill is gone. I think there is a thick cloud of moral corruption overhanging all our political institutions." X X X X X SAFIRE ON CLINTON ACQUITTAL: 'THE SYSTEM WORKS' "The System worked. What a great country." That is what NEW YORK TIMES columnist Bill safire is set to write in a column being prepared for Thursday newspapers. According to publishing sources, the NYT star is set to declare that the constitutional form of government worked like a charm in the Lewinsky/Clinton drama. Just hours before a verdict is rendered, Safire writes that "we trusted the Senate and it went by the constitutional book." "Removal of a president in the absence of public outrage would be a Draconian mistake," writes Safire. "Impeachment was an ineradicable mark on his record; the Senate trial was public purgatory. That's a powerful warning to future presidents contemplating obstruction." Safire concludes: "Starr's non-Monica reports may be mired in molasses, but likely to come are memoirs of disillusioned aides, toots from whistle-blowers and
Re: [CTRL] Mind Control program on CBC
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:04:49 -0800 Gerry Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- http://www.tv.cbc.ca/undercurrents/ The Feb. 7 Undercurrents show had a segment on mind control. Nick Begich demonstrates the neurophone. Soviet mind control expert Igor Smirnov is interviewed and reveals that the FBI wanted him to destabilize the situation at Waco to end the standoff. He told them it would take him ten days to set up his equipment, but after 3 days the FBI decided to destabilize the situation themselves so he never got to try it out. I don't have a frames capable browser so I don't know how much of the program will be available at the web site. The program will probably be reshown in the summer and may also be available on CBC Newsworld (I don't have cable either). http://www.tv.cbc.ca/fifth/history.shtml Somebody wanted to know about Disney? There is a 3MB video on how Disney created the legend of lemmings throwing themselves off cliffs by stampeding the critturs. Gerry Nick Begich, same guy who is the author of "Angels Don't Play this HAARP?" I have that book and it's very good, well written with technical drawings in the back. Jesse Dolan [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.geocities.com/area51/stargate/8954 --- DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
