[CTRL] Pinochet: 02-11
-Caveat Lector- From wsws.org WSWS : News Analysis : South Central America FBI helped pursue Pinochet's political opponents in the US By James Brookfield 11 February 1999 Declassified files obtained by the New York Times demonstrate that in 1975 the FBI tried to track down two left-wing political opponents of Augusto Pinochet who were then suspected to be living in the US. On May 17, 1975, according to the FBI documents, Jorge Isaac Fuentes, a Chilean citizen and alleged member of the Movement of the Revolutionary Left, was arrested in Asunci"n, Paraguay. In his address book were found the names of Margaret Sun of Manhattan and Sonia Bacicalupe of Dallas. The Paraguayan police relayed the information to Robert W. Scherrer, the FBI representative in Buenos Aires at the time. The following month Scherrer wrote to General Ernesto Baeza Michaelsen, the director of Chilean intelligence, telling him that the FBI would try to locate the two women. Fuentes was sent back to Chile, where he "disappeared" in prison. He is included among the 3,000 officially listed as killed under the Pinochet regime. A 1990 report by the Chilean government states that "his disappearance was the work of government agents." Though the FBI checked with police and credit agencies in Dallas and New York, Margaret Sun and Sonia Bacicalupe were apparently never located. Their nationalities and present residences are reportedly unknown. FBI officers told the Times that the type of cooperation involved in the arrest of Fuentes was regularly undertaken. Pinochet was brought to power in a bloody, US-backed coup in September 1973. His regime proceeded to round up, torture and murder its left-wing and socialist opponents. In October 1975, five months after the arrest of Fuentes, Chilean officials led the formation of Operation Condor, a joint program to coordinate spying, intimidation and murder of political dissidents by the intelligence agencies of Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Paraguay and Uruguay. The idea for the program had originated in a 1968 document written by US General Robert W. Porter, the head of the US Southern Command. FBI and CIA files relating to Operation Condor have been requested by Baltasar Garzon, the Spanish magistrate seeking Pinochet's extradition for the torture and disappearance of Spanish citizens following the 1973 coup. Though the US undoubtedly has the largest volume of documents pertaining to the torture and murder of Chilean and foreign citizens, Washington has avoided turning them over for fear of implicating former US officials who played instrumental roles in setting up the 1973 coup and in Operation Condor. While the State Department said in December 1998 that it would open "as many files as possible," those released to the Times this week are the first declassified since Pinochet's arrest. See Also: The arrest of Pinochet [WSWS full coverage] Top of page Readers: The WSWS invites your comments. Please send e-mail. Copyright 1998-99 World Socialist Web Site All rights reserved AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Clinton, Democrats, and Republicans
-Caveat Lector- Please people let's stop all the threads on Clinton and Congress! I can't take it anymore! We have done this issue to death. Right wing conspiracy, left wing conspiracy, etc. I don't care anymore, it is all that is in the news and I'm tired of it. This is just like religion. Those who think Clinton is a SAINT and GODLIKE figure and can do no wrong (PRUDY, and Samantha, among others; and PLEASE don't bother to post a response defending your position as you have made it perfectly clear that there is nothing that he could do to make you think he is other than GREAT) will not change their opinion no matter what information is brought to light illustrating his illegal acts. The same goes for those who think he is a scumbag piece of filth who sold out the country to the Chinese and treats the law and his Presidential responsibilities like a parlor game to see how much he can get away with (People like me for instance, and others). No one is going to suddenly see the light and turn coat on their previous position. So let us just rest in our own convictions that he is a wonderful being of light, or that he is a piece of shit who sold out labor to GATT and NAFTA and sold technology to the Chinese to help them target and kill us better. Bush, Reagan, and the Congress? All of them are a bunch of power mad zealots who are out to line their own pockets at the expense of the people of this country. So please spare me the "what about the others?" shit too. Bush is the only man that I am genuinely fearful of if he were to get into office again. That goes for his son as well, because our asses are in a real jam then. Let this issue rest it is straying too far off topic and getting into personal territory which has no place here. Thank you; Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CTRL Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- At 04:44 PM 2/10/99 -0500, Frank Newsom wrote: -Caveat Lector- This list is a really fine group of conspiracy folk. Can't even find the one right under their own noses. There was once a time when you could only post 4 times a day. There were many more "factual" posts and less discussion. Many of the older members are no longer here or post much less frequently. Threads of pure drivel go on forever. There was discussion of splitting the list into one for "serious researchers" by invitation only and then there are the rest of us. Nitwits. If you use Eudora or another email client that supports filtering, you could do what I do - every Subject line that has "Re: [CTRL]" in it goes straight to the trash. If for some strange reason I actually want to read what passes for "discussion", I can retrieve it from the Trash, which I purge once a week. I've been doing this for a few weeks now, and it has improved my attitude towards this list considerably. Try it, you may like it. Note: you can also use this to delete "factual" posts from irritating sources by searching for their names in the header. Che DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Is GPS tracking you?
-Caveat Lector- http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2203365,00.html/ February 7, 1999 5:59 PM PT Is GPS tracking you? GPS systems make it easier than ever to track fish, Fido -- and philandering spouses. By Lisa M. Bowman, ZDNN It's 10 p.m. -- Do you know where your children are? How about your pet? Or your spouse who claims to be "working late"? Global Positioning System technology, more commonly known as GPS, is making it easier than ever to find stolen cars or track down Fido when he gets lost. But the system also can monitor people, a move privacy experts fear could go too far. "The control of GPS tracking information will be a significant public policy issue several years from now," Phil Agre, an associate professor of information studies at UCLA and a member of the board of the Electronic Privacy Information Center. "Everyone should be aware of the dangers before the it becomes locked in." So far, GPS has been an invaluable tool for tracking endangered salmon, monitoring train schedules and even drawing up maps. Companies such as Troy, Michigan-based Onstar and Microsoft have developed GPS systems for cars that send directions to drivers based on their locations. Some even call the owner when a car "thinks" it's been stolen. In Pontiac, Mich., non-violent prisoners wear GPS-based bracelets in lieu of serving time behind bars. Systems are also in the works to ensure Alzheimer's patients stay close to the hospital and children don't stray too far from home. "Maybe these are benign uses, but where does it stop?" asked Agre. Agre and other privacy experts worry about misuse of the information by groups ranging from insurance companies to the FBI. SCARY SCENARIOS Among the scenarios feared by privacy watchdogs: Insurance companies could refuse to insure you, or charge you higher rates, unless you install a tracking system on your car. They could then tell if you drive over 55 or spend time in shady neighborhoods where your car has a greater chance of being stolen. FBI and local police officials could have access to your whereabouts by simply logging onto a database attached to a cell phone, tollbooth or GPS tracker. New York transportation authorities have turned over records of its E-Z Pass toll, a wireless system that lets people drive through without stopping, to police during a criminal investigation. What if it turned the same information over to a local restaurant, so it knew you drove by it every day? Private investigators could get their hands on geographic tracking data to trap a spouse suspected of straying. Gotcha! -- if toll bridge records showed you driving when you were supposed to be at work. FOLLOW THE DATA TRAIL Privacy advocates fear agencies that aren't used to handling private information, such as transit authorities, will become the keepers of personal facts and figures that people don't necessarily want to be in the public domain. == Geographic Data Tracking Already companies and agencies are experimenting with tracking people and things. Will Big Brother be next? Prisoner: In some states, corrections departments put GPS-linked bracelets on parolees. Elderly: In Japan, health officials are experimenting with monitoring Alzheimers patients whereabouts through GPS. Car: Some auto makers include GPS mapping systems that call the owner when the car "thinks" its stolen. Some Web sites sell devices that allow you to surreptitiously track another cars movements. Child: Several telecom companies are developing A system to track children through GPS, Expected to come to market in 2-3 years. Toll road Police have used records of wireless toll passing: collections to catch criminals. Some fear P.I.s might use it to snare philandering spouses. == But other privacy experts said such worries are simply alarmist. "A lot of the privacy stuff I think is a little overblown," International Data Corp. analyst Chris Christiansen said. Currently, the systems are too expensive to be prevalent at the consumer level -- plus many of the cheaper consumer devices are hindered by heavy rain, trees and tall buildings, he said. Originally developed to help the military track wayward sailors, GPS is made up of 24 satellites, each with a clock, positioned so that three are always above the horizon. Earthbound receivers can determine the position of a person, place or thing by measuring the amount of time it takes for a signal to arrive from three of the satellites. Tracking people by GPS is not even prevalent enough for the ACLU -- known for jumping on a cause at the slightest sign of injustice -- to take a stand. Carrie Moss of the ACLU of Michigan -- which has closely watched her area's plans to monitor prisoners --
[CTRL] What Will You Tell Your Children?
-Caveat Lector- What will you tell your children when the long dark night of state tyranny descends upon America? Will you tell them the truth? Or will you pretend to them that you did not know? You have allowed yourself to be fooled for many years. That is why America is in the political, religious, moral, and social decay it is in. It was easier for you to watch television than to bring the POW's home from Vietnam. It was easier to attend sporting events then to replace your corrupt congressmen or president with an honest one. It was easier to vote for the lesser of two evils or not at all rather than to work for those who you were told did not have a chance of winning. It was easier for you to be politically correct, jeer, and make sarcastic comments about "patriots," gun owners," and "religious right wingers" than to join with fellow countryman who were concerned about your homeland. It was easier to believe lies than to search out the truth. Because you have taken the easy way out, life will not be easy henceforward, not for you, your children, and those you have made fun of. You have betrayed not only your countrymen, but the past, present, and future. Your ancestors passed on to you the sacred torch of liberty. You personally, by inaction, have allowed it to be almost extinguished. The present moment, this brief time you were given here on earth, was your moment, your chance to give meaning to your life, to make a difference, to leave this earth a better place than you had found it. Instead, the future you have bequeathed to your children, will be because of your complacence and inaction, an ugly one of little happiness, safety, and freedom. All of this so you could take the easy way out. It was easier for you, oh weak man, to do nothing rather than to do anything. You thereby leave your children nothing of value. Nothing lasting. You bequeath to them a hollow existence, the toy of tyrants, the slave of evil men. What will you tell your children? Future generations shall curse your name, your grave, and your memory. But worse yet, what will you tell your children when they ask you why the long dark night has descended upon them? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Change of HomeSchooling in MO? I hope not.
-Caveat Lector- Well I guess they woke up to the fact that there were some children that might just be getting some good food during the day and were not being given additives and other things in their lunches - so the kids might just have a chance to learn and not have to be on Ritalin or other drugs. Laura Tuesday, February 9, 1999 By DALE SINGER Of the Post-Dispatch Parents who were unhappy enough with their public schools to pull their children out are even less happy about a proposal to make home-schooled students in Missouri take the same tests that everyone else does. State Rep. Bill Skaggs, D-Kansas City, says he not only wants to test home-schooled children in Missouri, who now are estimated to number 30,000, but he wants to register them to find out exactly how many there are and where they live. He said his bill -- which is expected to draw a big crowd at a hearing at 3 p.m. today in Jefferson City -- is aimed at home schoolers who are failing to learn, not those who are succeeding. "For the life of me," Skaggs said, "I can't understand why a home schooler doing a good job, a job that is allegedly superior to public education, shouldn't be proud of that and take the test that kids take in public education so they can show us they are doing a good job. "Apparently they have something to hide, and I don't know what that is. We can't afford ignorance. Every child deserves an education. If those folks are not doing it at home, we need to know that, and we need to go after them and get those kids in school." Skaggs said he had experience in his district with home schoolers doing a poor job. "You can tell the children are not being properly educated, just by the way they speak. They're just too lazy to get them up and get them to school. Those are the ones I'm after." Home schoolers say they have nothing to hide but that they shouldn't have to prove anything to the state. They say they dropped out of public education because it was failing their needs, and they don't want to have to mold their home curriculum to what the state tests are trying to measure. "I think that goes to the very core of home schooling -- that parents feel it's their fundamental right to decide, within the boundaries of the law, what they will teach their children," said Diane McLelland, the Jefferson City lobbyist for Families for Home Education, an umbrella group that represents home-schooling families across Missouri. "Private school students don't have to take an assessment test. Parochial school students don't have to take an assessment test. Home schoolers shouldn't have to take an assessment test." Under Skaggs' bill, home-schooled children would have to take the state test at their local school and pay a fee. Requirements in other states vary widely. Illinois, Alabama, Indiana, California, Kansas and Kentucky are among those that require no testing. Those that require some standardized testing of home-schooled students are Arkansas, Florida, Iowa, Minnesota and New York. Missouri's home-school law requires only basic record keeping and a minimum of 1,000 hours of instruction a year, including 600 hours in core academic subjects. Brad Haines, who heads Families for Home Education, says in states that require registration, many home-schooling families have gone underground rather than signing up with the state. He also said state testing means control of curriculum -- mandating what families who teach their children at home have been trying to avoid. "I think most Americans oppose the idea of the state keeping tabs on them," he said. "Registration means control, as it does with anything else. If he is going to mandate this test, it would have the effect of driving the home-school curriculum in an inappropriate manner." Haines said no one knows precisely how many Missouri children are taught at home; he came up with the estimate of 30,000 by figuring that each of the 4,600 in his organization averages 3.5 children at home, and half of the families involved in home schooling are members. He also said that home-schooled children already take some tests, such as the ACT or the Iowa test, and average in the 75th percentile. Parental anger at the Skaggs proposal is expected to translate into a large crowd at today's hearing. Typical of the reaction is this from Ira Brodsky of Chesterfield, whose 10-year-old son, Joey, left Green Trails school in Parkway to be taught at home. "Only an education establishment that routinely graduates students who can't read is capable of imagining it is doing a good job and, as a reward for its achievements, should be granted new powers to oversee home schoolers," he said. "It would provide those who feel it is their civic duty to constantly supervise others' lives a wonderful opportunity for further harassing home-school families." Skaggs'
Re: [CTRL] Clinton, Democrats, and Republicans
-Caveat Lector- So lets keep on digging on Bush. It looks like they are out for blood! Next step the Bush and his connections with the CIA's drug running scheme? Or is it CIA's connections to Bush's drug running scheme? >MEGA links from the Ottawa Citizen http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1999/1/27/114853 >Is AIDS really a disease? http://www.livelinks.com/sumeria/aids.html >Canadian Blood Victims File Suit http://etherzone.com/bloodgate2.html >This article talks about getting rid of AIDS - and without drugs. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558329758-763 Is there a link between Clinton and Bush through Arkansas, and through testing on Civilian Populations? What would have to be done to stop this - if it is the scenario (human surplus and that the Constitution is not a viable document) that they have sold to other world leaders? They have made our history, so that would mean that what they have done would have to come out in the open. You would have to convince all the special interest groups that it is NOT in their interest to keep this bottled up any longer. I have some of those areas covered. I am having a problem with the Religion part. http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/EducationReligionandPropoganda.htm Teo One Thousand wrote: -Caveat Lector- Please people let's stop all the threads on Clinton and Congress! I can't take it anymore! We have done this issue to death. Right wing conspiracy, left wing conspiracy, etc. I don't care anymore, it is all that is in the news and I'm tired of it. This is just like religion. Those who think Clinton is a SAINT and GODLIKE figure and can do no wrong (PRUDY, and Samantha, among others; and PLEASE don't bother to post a response defending your position as you have made it perfectly clear that there is nothing that he could do to make you think he is other than GREAT) will not change their opinion no matter what information is brought to light illustrating his illegal acts. The same goes for those who think he is a scumbag piece of filth who sold out the country to the Chinese and treats the law and his Presidential responsibilities like a parlor game to see how much he can get away with (People like me for instance, and others). No one is going to suddenly see the light and turn coat on their previous position. So let us just rest in our own convictions that he is a wonderful being of light, or that he is a piece of shit who sold out labor to GATT and NAFTA and sold technology to the Chinese to help them target and kill us better. Bush, Reagan, and the Congress? All of them are a bunch of power mad zealots who are out to line their own pockets at the expense of the people of this country. So please spare me the "what about the others?" shit too. Bush is the only man that I am genuinely fearful of if he were to get into office again. That goes for his son as well, because our asses are in a real jam then. Let this issue rest it is straying too far off topic and getting into personal territory which has no place here. Thank you; Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- On 10 Feb 99, , Brown, wrote: You know, I posted this before, and everyone was too high and mighty to respond, so I'll have another go. We need to focus on this man's health for Christ's sake! He is so overweight for a man his age and height that it's frightening to watch! He's the reason that so many people in this country are fat pigs! They see this chipwich munching rube microwaving another tortilla with cheese or frying up a second helping of onion rings and they say "Hey, if it's good enough for the Chief, why can't I do it?" I'm serious here. This man has got to lose weight and get in shape. He is so doughy and flabby that I bet if you poked his belly he'd giggle! Let's get him on the Stairmaster, then some cardio, maybe some crunches for the abs, pushups to flatten out those monstrous man-breasts, no more jogging five feet for the press and then ducking into Arby's for a rib platter. Just what I was waiting forthe junk food prohibition movement. No sex--it gives you AIDS and it's immoral. No cigarettes--take Prozac--or heroin--or crack cocaine if your nerves aren't mellow. No food--at least no goodies, it too will kill you, or if you live, make folks laugh at you. But beer and wine--they get labels telling you the stuff is GOOD for you!! Guess it means something that Bronfman is head of Seagrams. And Canola Oil--which isn't fit for human consumption--but Gore lobbies for.it. And Aspartame--to keep your waist in line with neurotoxins.. And all that Monsanto soy bean stuff...which is controversial, too. Oh, boy.Now we gotta get rid of the President because some folks think the guy is too fat?? The world has truly gone mad. Well, there is a solution to that one. . And the Republican party found it some years ago. Hire actors to run for the presidential officeto be the front guys...to smile pleasantly and look good while someone else runs the show. Harrison Ford? Charleton Heston? Kevin Kostner? John Tavolta? Leonardo DiCaprio? Clinton himself may be a hired actor who got in trouble when he overstepped his role sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: It's true that abortion is legal but, hey///
-Caveat Lector- On 10 Feb 99, , Edward wrote: -Caveat Lector- SnoOwl: Help me out here. Your argument is that, because there are poor, uneducated and imprisoned youth, we should continue to have legalized abortion? To extend this logic, is what you are saying that being poor should be included among the Big Three exceptions to any potential ban on abortion? PLEASE clarify! Sounds as if poverty warrants capital punishment. Even though I am opposed to abortion except in the three most notable cases of rape, incest and endangerment (plus, possibly, one more), and were I to consider changing my stance, your argument would scare the be-jesus out of me!! One in four kids in America is now living in poverty. There are thousands of children out there who need love and care. My point is that while everyone is railing about killing babies, very few people want to take care of these babies after they're born. Or really cares much what happens to them--in spite of all the morality talk about "for the children." The US as a country is into building prisons--not schools. I'm for taking care of the kids we've got...not bringing kids into the world that not even the parents want or can care for. I think that the babies who are born should be wanted, and that the parent or parents should feel they have the means to care for them--financially and emotionally-- whether the parents are rich or poor. I also believe that women should have control over their bodies.Bringing a fetus to term is a woman's decision to make. Birth control doesn't always work. People are fallible. They make mistakes. I will not argue this with you or anyone. I don't believe women should have abortions. No woman wants to have an abortion. But I think they should have the choiceand be able to make that choice in safety. Bringing a fetus to term and giving it up for adoption is another choice. I think it is as painful a choice, if not more, for a woman, than having an abortion. There is a biological, physical, and hormonal bond between mother and child that makes it very difficult for a woman to go through full pregnancy, have a baby and then give it away. I think this factor may be very difficult for men to comprehend. But adoption is a choice women have. Abortion is another. I believe women should have the choice. When abortion is illegal, women --both married and single women--continue to make the choice to have abortions. The difference is that they are forced into dangerous situations and many die.Wealthy women can always go to other states or countries where abortion is legal. It is poor women who die. That's how I feel about it--whether it scares you or not. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OOPS!
-Caveat Lector- Oops! Seems I made a mistake. The Cost-of-Living Raise for Social Security this year was 1.3% Just think what the Baby Boomers and those booted out of good jobs at 40-50 who have not had time to build up that big pension/retirement account, can look forward to. And remember it, when they talk about cutting Social Security benefits. (Although I do agree that for those with sizeable incomes other than SS, there should be some downward adjustment.) Does George Bush really need his government pension? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- On 9 Feb 99, , 1lls0081 wrote: ) as far as sex and marrying someone that young. I guess those grey beards just can not get someone their own age to look at them as other then a mental juvinal. Think of Cher - center fold of playboy at 50, and Dolly Parton with a child at 52. Question Sno Owl if you had a chance at one of them would you pass up a sweet young thing??? Not so. Most of these greybeards have 20-30 something grown children--not to mention their 50-60 something ex-wives somewhere, who are trying to figure out how to survive. And as for "passing up a sweet young thing"--that would certainly depend entirely on circumstances. Right now, it would probably be entirely inappropriate. But ten or fifteen years ago, well, who knows:)) I think you may have forgotten that somewhere close to 50% of marriages still do end in divorce. And even as a feminist, I can see that many new "freedoms" left all to many women even more open to exploitation, both by men and by the society at large. (Statistics and studies--which, unfortunately, I can't cite, do tells us the majority of men don't divorce unless they already have someone else waiting in the wings, while most women divorce because of domestic abuse and/or the spouse's infidelity.) sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Clinton, Democrats, and Republicans
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/11/99 10:09:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So lets keep on digging on Bush. See this is my point in this whole thing. Everybody likes to rail against Bush, including me! The Clinton lovers are the first to point out all his nefarious schemes and conspiratorial connections when they are trying to "defend" Clinton. They all say; "What about Bush?". I say, what about him too. I think he is probably the best "connected" most conspiratorial, and most dangerous man around these days and to think he occupied the office of President. BUT, just so the Clinton lovers don't get too happy in their vilification of Bush, remember that there is not one shred of evidence that could be used in a court of law against him. It is all speculation and rumor, and innuendo, and possibilities, etc. One should consider this when one has a double standard in that they reject all of these things in Clinton's case, but embrace them in the case of Bush. Just a comment there, in perspective. Having said that, I am all for looking more deeply at Bush and his nefarious dealings. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] SkeptiNews/SkeptiChat notice
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews repicients: The service will be suspended for several weeks, effective immediately. SkeptiChat subscribers: Hey gang, I'm off to the Sonoran Desert for awhile, same as last year, but I won't be checking in every week or so. You're on your own. Talk amongst yourselves. Make me proud of you. While I'm off wildflowering, rockscrambling, suntanning, mountainbiking, and website redesigning, y'all can exchange bon mots and think skeptically. Have fun. I will. Cya --Ric * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.sonic.net/~ric * ICQ# 19633976 * email INFO or SUBSCRIBE SKEPTICHAT to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Woman may have been killed by a cannibal and made into soup.
-Caveat Lector- PHNOM PENH (February 11, 1999 12:14 a.m. EST http://www.nandotimes.com) - Police in the Cambodian capital said Thursday they suspect a young woman, some of whose body parts were found at a city rubbish dump, may have been killed by a cannibal and made into soup. Scavengers at the dump found a pair of feet and some bones wrapped in plastic while picking through rubbish on Wednesday. Police said they found a lung, some hair, two feet, a leg bone and three ribs. The bones had knife marks on them. "If it was just a killing why do they need to cut the flesh from the body," senior criminal investigator, Ek Kreth, told Reuters. "We're investigating the possibility she might have been killed for making soup," Ek Kreth said. He did not elaborate. Another police investigator said it had not yet been determined if the dead girl was Cambodian or foreign. "We're not sure whether she was foreign or Cambodian as we found some reddish hair along with the bones," said the chief of the police autopsy department, Prach Nhat. Ek Kreth said it was believed the rubbish containing the body parts was collected from a neighborhood in central Phnom Penh. "I've never seen anything like it since I became a policeman more than 20 years ago," Ek Kreth said. Picture: We mine the net so you don't have to. We mine the net so you don't have to. Global | Nation | Sports | Politics | Opinions | Business | Techserver | Health Science | Entertainment | Weather | Baseball | Basketball | Football | Hockey | Sport Server | MAIN Copyright © 1999 Nando Media Do you have some feedback for the Nando Times staff? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ASBESTOS THREAT NEGLIGIBLE
-Caveat Lector- DESPITE BILLIONS SPENT ON CLEANUP, ASBESTOS THREAT NEGLIGIBLE USA Today says that its own investigation has found "incontrovertible scientific evidence that asbestos in buildings creates a cancer risk so minimal that it barely can be measured." Yet asbestos removal has been the biggest environmental cleanup project in U.S. history. The newspaper says the risks from asbestos were over-estimated two decades ago and new scientific evidence has never changed the public perception that asbestos in any form is deadly. o Asbestos abatement -- which removes or seals the fire resistant fibers in place -- has cost an estimated $50 billion over the past 20 years, and costs continue to mount at the rate of $3 billion a year. o While mining and manufacturing asbestos in the developing world produces cancer risks, the amount spent on asbestos removal in the U.S. "makes no sense from a public health standpoint," according to Michael Thune, chief epidemiologist at the American Cancer Society. o He says that the risk of getting cancer for asbestos in buildings that eliminating it wouldn't cause a measurable blip in the 171,000 lung cancer deaths that occur every year. o For each life saved, asbestos removal costs $100 million to $500 million. In court cases in the 1970s and the 1980s, plaintiffs' lawyers went after asbestos companies. So far, 40,000 lawsuits have been resolved -- but another 200,000 are pending. The lawsuits forced Johns-Manville Corp. to seek bankruptcy protection in 1982 and turn over 80 percent of its stock to workers exposed to asbestos. Since then, the company has emerged from bankruptcy but public hysteria has not given way to rational evaluation. Source: Dennis Cauchon, "When Removing Asbestos Makes No Sense," USA Today, February 11, 1999. For more on the Environment go to http://www.ncpa.org/pi/enviro/envdex1.html DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Martian 'bacteria' matched to Earth
-Caveat Lector- Martian 'bacteria' matched to Earth Picture Martian 'bacteria' matched to Earth By BBC News Online Science Editor Dr David Whitehouse Claims that the unusual features found on a Martian meteorite are those of fossilised alien bacteria may be proved correct by new research. When Nasa researchers first made their claims about Martian microfossils in 1996 they were greeted with scepticism by those who believed the shapes were too small to have come from any bacteria-like organisms. But in a new study, scientists have shown that the tiny fossilised structures can be produced after microbes have died. The experiments have shown that certain parts of Earth bacteria can also leave similar remains when they are fossilised. "We believe we have clearly shown that features similar in size and shape to those in the Martian meteorite do exist within the biological record on Earth," said Kathie Thomas-Keprta of Lockheed Martin Space Mission Systems and Services in Houston, Texas. But she warned that this does not prove definitively that the meteorite features are fossilised organisms. Fossilised filaments The Earth bacteria, taken from rocks in Washington state, were bred in conditions that simulated the environment deep beneath the Earth's surface. When they died, they became fossilised in only eight weeks. Picture: [ image: width=150] Scientists saw that about 30% of the microbes grown in the laboratory had filaments attached. Crucially, filaments that were not attached to the organisms also became fossilised. Researchers say it is the first time such tiny parts of bacteria have been shown to become mineralised in the same way as whole microbe. It suggests the structures on the Martian rock may also be the fossilised remains of filaments. Original findings The longest shapes identified on the meteorite are approximately 1/25 the diameter of a human hair. Dr Everett Gibson, a Nasa planetary scientist who worked on the meteorite, says the new study supports the original findings. Picture: [ image: width=150] ALH84001, the potato-sized Martian meteorite is about 4.5 billion years, the period when Mars formed. It is believed to have originated beneath the Martian surface. It is believed that billions of years ago Mars was warmer and wetter. The water is believed to have penetrated fractures in the surface rock, forming an underground water system. This system may have been the best location for life during much of Mars's history. The Earth bacteria used in this new experiment came from the Columbia River basalt of Washington State. They are an example of life thriving at depth in fractured rock where it is isolated from light and protected from any harsh environment at the surface. So it may be a good example of what life was like on Mars. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- SnoOwl, since you were the one person brave enough to respond, I'd like to address each point you raised, openly and with no hostility. Sno - No sex--it gives you AIDS and it's immoral. Me - I never said that. On the contrary, in a previous post, I condoned sexual activity. It's known to be a great cardiovascular workout. I recommend it to heart attack survivors quite often! Sno- No cigarettes--take Prozac--or heroin--or crack cocaine if your nerves aren't mellow. Me - I think if your nerves aren't mellow, there are far better ways to control that than with chemicals of any kind. Sno- No food--at least no goodies, it too will kill you, or if you live, make folks laugh at you. Me - I'm not saying that you can't enjoy a little junk food here and there, or even a little more. The key is moderation. Something our President does not practice. Sno- But beer and wine--they get labels telling you the stuff is GOOD for you!! Me - A moderate amount of alcohol, perhaps one beer or one glass of wine a day, can be good for you. It soothes the nerves and relaxes the arteries, making the flowing of blood easier. Again, it's all about moderation. Sno- And Canola Oil--which isn't fit for human consumption--but Gore lobbies for it. And Aspartame--to keep your waist in line with neurotoxins.. And all that Monsanto soy bean stuff...which is controversial, too. Me - I totally agree with you here. All that stuff is crap and does way more harm than good. I don't buy into any of that nonsense. I know that one can live a 100% healthy existence without ever touching any of the above products. Sno- Oh, boy.Now we gotta get rid of the President because some folks think the guy is too fat?? The world has truly gone mad. Me - No no no, SnoOwl. That isn't what I meant at all. I don't think we need to get rid of Clinton for being fat! I just think that it might be in his best interests if he took a few less trips to the cookie jar. Physical health is, to me, a very important thing. And he really takes TERRIBLE care of himself. A fact that I think was quite evident during his State of the Union address. He looked terribly flushed and winded. I know the guy has a lot on his mind, but I think that if he set a better example, we could begin to set a greater standard of physical fitness in this country. Thank for your reply. I mean that sincerely as it's very frustrating to post and be ignored. JB DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Clinton, Democrats, and Republicans]
-Caveat Lector- Teo One Thousand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Please people let's stop all the threads on Clinton and Congress! I can't take it anymore! We have done this issue to death. snipped for bandwidth Amen, Teo! As Kris has said innumerable times, the *real* enemy, the Cryptocracy, the Oligarchy, are sitting in the shadows laughing while we waste time and energy squabbling over figureheads. All of this inside-the-Beltway stuff is a (deliberate) diversion from the really significant events that we should be putting our best efforts into uncovering. I joined this list in the first place to explore the history and the nature of conspiracies, not to argue politics. The foofaraw in D.C. is a sham, a false front to take out attention away from the true conspirators. We've identified some of the Oligarchy's activities--MAI, NAFTA, economic globalization among many others. Let's get back to focussing on what matters in the long run, and forget about the scandal du jour... Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Tobacco
-Caveat Lector- We don't make war on all consumers goods which can lead to bad health in the future. High fat foods, nitrites in processed meat, and on and on and on. Why tobacco? Sure it causes health problems in 2/3 of it's users, sure the medical bills get expensive.but are we taking a moral high ground against sugar because of the incidence of diabetes in this country? Stevia, a natural, healthy, powerful sweetener was banned in the US for years until health food advocates got it cleared to be sold as a food supplement. Makers are not ALLOWED to advertise it as a sweetener. The Japansese use stevia frequently, and it's added into their processed foods, and they have a much lower incidence of diabetes. But to make my point.I think the attack on tobacco is so that it will be made illegal, forced onto the black market, sold at high prices -- tax free -- and give the police-state another lame excuse to jail ordinary people. Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Tidbits Of Info Surface (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- TIDBITS OF INFO SURFACE === (CNNS, 02/11/99) -- The always interesting Weekly World News (WWN) contains info in their latest edition which passes the CNNS "Maybe Test." According to latest WWN reports (2/23/99): ** A new book, "Cults of the New World Order" (by David Grossack) reportedly claims that MONICA LEWINSKY is descended from "members of an 18th-century sex cult," known as the Edom, which supplied sex to the powerful. ** Computer hackers have reportedly accessed a top-secret Pentagon file, "Sirius.081," and have delivered it to a purportedly "noted astronomer" named Ryan Crittens. According to the alleged file, the Reagan-era "Star Wars" defense system was actually designed to combat "alien saucers." ** A British publisher has reportedly obtained a "secret diary" written by the late Princess Diana. The purported Diana diary has Lady Diana claiming to be "truly in love" with Dodi Fayed. A purported photo of Princess Diana shows her to be, apparently, "very pregnant" shortly before her death. -- CNNS (Conspiracy Nation News Service) is an INDEPENDENT news outlet, not owned by anyone. (But of course, we would say that, wouldn't we?) BEWARE THE CFR! BEWARE THE CIA! BEWARE THE KNIGHTS! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Clinton, Democrats, and Republicans
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-02-11 11:31:48 EST, you write: BUT, just so the Clinton lovers don't get too happy in their vilification of Bush, remember that there is not one shred of evidence that could be used in a court of law against him. It is all speculation and rumor, and innuendo, and possibilities, etc. One should consider this when one has a double standard in that they reject all of these things in Clinton's case, but embrace them in the case of Bush. Just a comment there, in perspective. Since Prudy and I are probably the only ones who've posted recently having favorable or at least not unfavorable views of Clinton, I'd like to point out that I made your very same point in a recent post to this list. I'll copy it here: "There are many things I suspect Reagan and Bush got away with. But I would fully expect anyone to challenge me with "Prove it!" if I were to list my suspicions as FACT day after day. So, this is what I have to say to you, "PROVE IT!" Prove it in a court of law! Prove it during in a hearing! Prove it in an impeachment trial! If you can't prove it, stop asserting these allegations as fact. Or better yet, just shaddup already!" Having said that, I do agree with you about GW being a bigger threat than other candidates should he make it to the WH. He scares the bejeezus out of me. Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: It's true that abortion is legal but, hey///
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-02-11 11:15:41 EST, sno0owl writes: When abortion is illegal, women --both married and single women--continue to make the choice to have abortions. The difference is that they are forced into dangerous situations and many die.Wealthy women can always go to other states or countries where abortion is legal. It is poor women who die. I agree with every point you made about abortion. I believe in the sanctity of life. I think abortion is a measure of last resort, and that it is terrible. I appreciate anti-abortion activists' attempts to furnish practical solutions to avoid abortions: offering medical care and adoption services to pregnant women, supporting pre-conception birth control measures and working to make them widely available, and advocating medical coverage for uninsured children, WIC programs, foodstamps for the poor, school lunches, etc. But all too often, anti-abortion proponents are against the very social programs that would help prevent unwanted pregnancies or insure that existing children are given the basics in life. They are often the ones who oppose sex ed in schools, oppose contraception choices for teens, etc. I can only conclude that these illogical activists are part of a larger movement to force ordinary people into an underclass. Without contraception and legal abortion, people will keep having children they can ill afford. Simulataneously removing social safety nets for poor families insures a virtual slave labor force. Parents supporting several children are much easier to push around than more financially stable families. The former can't afford to stand up against anything on principle, if they risk losing their jobs. And people will never stop having sex. We all know that. We must provide creative alternatives to sexually active women if we want to reduce the number of abortions. I won't let anyone screech to me that they believe in the sanctity of life when they don't give a rat's behind what happens to these children once they're out of the womb. Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: *Corporate* Perjury and Obstruction of Justice
-Caveat Lector- Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye. Today we hear the case of corporate perjury, corporate fraud and corporate obstruction of justice. Members of the Senate, let us turn to exhibit one: the 1994 transcripts of tobacco industry executives' testimony before a House of Representatives committee. Having raised their right hands and swore to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help them God, each then testified under oath that nicotine was not addictive. That was a blatant lie under oath -- albeit one less serious than the industry's decades-long conspiracy to lie to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and other federal and state agencies about cigarettes' health effects and addictiveness. These are lies with severe consequences: hundreds of thousands die from smoking-related disease every year. But lying is not limited to the pariah tobacco industry. Please turn to exhibit two: the judge's decision in the case United States v. Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines. In September 1998, Royal Caribbean pled guilty to felony crimes for dumping oil in the Atlantic Ocean and then lying to the Coast Guard about it. Members of the Senate, let us now turn to count two: corporate fraud. Please consult the next exhibit, Black's Law Dictionary. Turn to page 788, where you will find the legal definition of the word "fraud" -- an intentional perversion of the truth for the purpose of inducing another to part with some valuable thing. In other words, theft through lying. Members of the Senate, because the federal government does not track corporate fraud the way it tracks petty theft, we are left to the judgment of experts to estimate what this harmful and often criminal lying and steal costs the American people. The estimates are startling. Harvard University's Malcolm Sparrow estimates that health care fraud alone cost the nation anywhere from $100 billion to $400 billion a year -- 10 to 40 percent of the $1 trillion a year we spend on health care. Most of this is corporate fraud -- corporations ripping off the Medicare and Medicaid programs. The savings and loan scandal, what former Attorney General Dick Thornburgh called "the biggest white-collar swindle in history," cost the nation anywhere from $300 billion to $500 billion. Then you have an array of lesser frauds that amount in total to real money. Auto repair fraud: $40 billion a year. Securities fraud -- $15 billion a year. And on down the list. Not a day goes by without a major fraud being reported in the mainstream media, with $100 million frauds coming around once a month or so. Last month, for example, Great American Life Insurance Co. paid $115 million to elderly citizens it allegedly deceived into buying high-priced investments. In June 1998, Blue Cross/Blue Shield of Illinois pled guilty to eight felony counts and paid $144 million to the federal government after admitting it concealed evidence of poor performance and lied to auditors in processing Medicare claims for the federal government. Just last week, the company paid $29.1 million Evelyn Knoob of Carterville, Illinois. Knoob blew the whistle on the company. Corporate fraud costs the nation hundreds of billions. Compare that to street crime and burglary, which, according to the FBI, costs the nation $3.8 billion a year. Finally, we turn to count three, obstruction of justice. Please incorporate by reference the earlier evidence of Big Tobacco's cover-ups and Blue Cross/Blue Shield of Illinois and Royal Caribbean's concerted efforts to thwart law enforcement. Then please direct your attention to our final exhibit, a series published last year in the Louisville Courier-Journal that documented coal mine operators routinely submitting coal dust samples to the Mine Safety and Health Administration which were impossibly clean. The obvious inference is that coal companies are regularly cheating on their coal dust tests, and in the process exposing miners to deadly and black lung-inducing levels of coal dust.. The inference was substantiated by coal mine supervisors' admission to the Louisville Courier-Journal of regular cheating on the tests designed to protect miners' safety. Senators, corporate perjury, fraud and obstruction of justice are undermining efforts to protect health, safety and our environment, and eating away at the foundations of our economy. We seek today not a conviction, but a redirection of national policy to put an end to the scourge of corporate fraud and obstruction. We call on you to enact legislation to mandate the collection of corporate crime data. We ask that you work with your colleagues in the House to boost the budget of federal enforcement agencies. We call for legislation that gives citizen standing to enforce critical health, safety, environmental and financial laws, and we demand that you cease efforts to undermine the civil justice system, our country's strongest safeguard against corporate fraud. We call for serious penalties
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-02-11 11:15:29 EST, snow0wl writes: And Canola Oil--which isn't fit for human consumption--but Gore lobbies for. it. I never heard anything bad about canola oil before coming on to the list. I assumed it was just another vegetable oil. Anyone have info handy? I'm limited in my ability to search the internet temporarily. Thanks, Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- Samatha 'Smith' wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-02-11 11:15:29 EST, snow0wl writes: > And Canola Oil--which isn't fit for human consumption--but Gore lobbies for. > it. I never heard anything bad about canola oil before coming on to the list. I assumed it was just another vegetable oil. Anyone have info handy? I'm limited in my ability to search the internet temporarily. Thanks, Samantha Look under section 2 if you go to the page. 2) The Impact of Outside and Chemical Influences on the body and brain Sweet Poison http://www.sweetpoison.com/ Canola Healthy? - http://www.1999.com/canola/ (New 17 Nov 98) Oils Vegetable and Animal - Health Risks from Processed Foods and Trans. Fats: An interview with Mary Enig, Ph.D. - http://www.healthy.net/library/articles/passwater/enig01.htm (New 17 Nov 98) MCS - http://www.w3-mediator.de/mcs/index.htm From my web page - which I need to clean up http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: It's true that abortion is legal but, hey///
-Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-02-11 11:15:41 EST, sno0owl writes: When abortion is illegal, women --both married and single women--continue to make the choice to have abortions. The difference is that they are forced into dangerous situations and many die.Wealthy women can always go to other states or countries where abortion is legal. It is poor women who die. So what do you make of people in the government that advocate us having children so that they can do experiments on the civilian population. In other words if I have a child I have a responsibility, if they have commitments to children and people it seems as if that commitment is to see in how many way they can make them sick. Who needs to experiment on animals when you can do it on humans and cut out the animals? Laura DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Tidbits Of Info Surface (fwd)]
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[CTRL] NYT: Clinton Vows Revenge in 2000, Advisers Say
-Caveat Lector- from http://www.nytimes.com/ = February 11, 1999 THE HOUSE RACE Clinton Vows Revenge in 2000, Advisers Say By RICHARD L. BERKE and JAMES BENNET WASHINGTON -- President Clinton is so furious at House Republicans over his impeachment, his advisers say, that he has vowed to mount an all-out offensive to knock off many of his foes and win back the House for Democrats in 2000. Clinton has already committed to early fund-raising events in nine cities -- the first will be in San Francisco in two weeks -- to amass a war chest to help House Democrats. His advisers, who spoke only on condition of anonymity, described how the president regularly rattled off specifics about House Republicans who may be vulnerable, from the margins they won by in 1998 to how well he performed in their districts in 1996. They said Clinton now viewed winning back the House as almost as important an affirmation of his legacy as electing Vice President Al Gore ashis successor. But if Clinton's partisan zeal is viewed by Republicans as a personal vendetta, it could undermine another goal that the president considers crucial to his legacy: his legislative priorities, notably a drive to rescue Social Security. Clinton has assured Democrats that they can work with Republicans to pass legislation and still have plenty of ammunition in 2000. Clinton was particularly angry at the House members managing the prosecution, according to his advisers, believing they have needlesslyprolonged the impeachment trial. Most of those managers have seats that are considered safe. "He knows the districts, he knows the candidates and he doesn't like these people," said one adviser who has discussed next year's elections with Clinton. "He's obviously real hot on the managers. He thinks winning back the House is part of his legacy." White House officials said they were aware that there is only so much a president could do to help congressional contenders. They said he could be most effective in raising money and in recruiting candidates. But Presidents Franklin D. Roosevelt and Richard Nixon, despite high personal popularity, both failed in their efforts to purge specific congressional candidates. Clinton's intense interest in the congressional contests is all the more striking because leading House Democrats have long complained that he has not been particularly engaged in House and Senate races, Many blame Clinton for the Democrats' loss of House control in 1994 and for not winning it back in 1996 and 1998. Another adviser who has spoken to the president about wresting back the House in 2000, said, "It will be a personal crusade." He added: "The man knows he's done wrong. But he also knows they should not have taken it to the extreme they have. He says: 'It's the unfairness of this whole process. These right-wingers who tried to undo the election.' " Beyond his scorn at House Republicans, several advisers said Clinton is motivated out of gratitude to Rep. Dick Gephardt, the Democratic leader, for deciding not to challenge Vice President Gore for the Democratic presidential nomination. He also is described as indebted to House Democrats for sticking by him and insuring that impeachment could not be called bipartisan. Besides the House managers, Clinton told Gephardt he was determined to defeat Rep. Jay Dickey, an Arkansas Republican, according to people familiar with the conversations. Dickey was elected in 1992; his district includes the president's boyhood homes of Hope and Hot Springs. Told of Clinton's comments, Dickey said: "If you're sitting there and having the most powerful office in the world, the most powerful man in the world who says, 'We're going to defeat this person,' it's a sobering thing. But I'm not afraid." "If he's going to personalize this thing, then it's going to take us back a step in terms of cooperation," Dickey said, "and trying to get some programs through in the next two years." Rep. Ed Bryant, a Tennessee Republican who is a House manager, said: "If he feels he has to vindicate himself by going after House managers, then he has to do that. All I can say is that we as a House, the majority, felt that we certainly didn't put him in this predicament. If anybody ought to be upset, it ought to be American people, with the president, for doing those things." It is clear that impeachment and the Democrats' encouraging performance in last November's elections have unexpectedly united the White House and House Democrats. People close to Gephardt and Clinton said that in a meeting in the White House residence on the day earlier this month when Gephardt announced he would not run, the president gave his assurances that he would do whatever it takes to make Gephardt the next speaker. "He was telling Dick which districts he can win," said one person who was familiar with the conversations. He noted the oddity of Clinton trying
Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: It's true that abortion is legal but, hey///
-Caveat Lector- SnoOwl: For the greater part of your post, we are in full agreement. Our national sense of priority has become a cruel joke, and one for which we will all pay dearly at some time or another. What I was "scared of" was the argument I thought you were adopting, and an argument that many have used before: abortion is a better "alternative" than poverty (as if these were the only two options). Yes, the way we treat our children is abhorent; yes, the fact that our children go to school in trailers while malnourished and abused is a scar on our society which will be some time in healing--but I am hard-pressed to see how retroactive "choice" will mitigate these crimes perpetrated upon our youth. On this point, I respectfully agree to disagree. Edward Help me out here. Your argument is that, because there are poor, uneducated and imprisoned youth, we should continue to have legalized abortion? To extend this logic, is what you are saying that being poor should be included among the Big Three exceptions to any potential ban on abortion? PLEASE clarify! Sounds as if poverty warrants capital punishment. Even though I am opposed to abortion except in the three most notable cases of rape, incest and endangerment (plus, possibly, one more), and were I to consider changing my stance, your argument would scare the be-jesus out of me!! One in four kids in America is now living in poverty. There are thousands of children out there who need love and care. My point is that while everyone is railing about killing babies, very few people want to take care of these babies after they're born. Or really cares much what happens to them--in spite of all the morality talk about "for the children." The US as a country is into building prisons--not schools. I'm for taking care of the kids we've got...not bringing kids into the world that not even the parents want or can care for. I think that the babies who are born should be wanted, and that the parent or parents should feel they have the means to care for them--financially and emotionally-- whether the parents are rich or poor. I also believe that women should have control over their bodies.Bringing a fetus to term is a woman's decision to make. Birth control doesn't always work. People are fallible. They make mistakes. I will not argue this with you or anyone. I don't believe women should have abortions. No woman wants to have an abortion. But I think they should have the choiceand be able to make that choice in safety. Bringing a fetus to term and giving it up for adoption is another choice. I think it is as painful a choice, if not more, for a woman, than having an abortion. There is a biological, physical, and hormonal bond between mother and child that makes it very difficult for a woman to go through full pregnancy, have a baby and then give it away. I think this factor may be very difficult for men to comprehend. But adoption is a choice women have. Abortion is another. I believe women should have the choice. When abortion is illegal, women --both married and single women--continue to make the choice to have abortions. The difference is that they are forced into dangerous situations and many die.Wealthy women can always go to other states or countries where abortion is legal. It is poor women who die. That's how I feel about it--whether it scares you or not. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om "From the rage of today's downtrodden comes the revenge of tomorrow's revolutionary force." Edward Britton http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5285/connector1.html Talk to the planet: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/Reality_Pump2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy
[CTRL] International Cryptography Freedom (http://jya.com/crypto-free.htm)
Title: International Cryptography Freedom INTERNATIONAL CRYPTOGRAPHY FREEDOM Last Updated 23 January 1999: Add Spain 2. See John Gilmore's call for mirroring the contents of these sites. See Note 1 on what to mirror. This a growing list. Contributions welcome: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mirror this page, or scavenge it to make your own. Let us know about additional sites or your page and we'll make a link. See also: Cryptome for newsRitter's Learning About CryptographyRitter's Crypto Glossary and Dictionary of Technical Cryptography Dec. 3 Wassenaar Arrangement Lists in original DOC format and HTML formatEncryption and Security TutorialCall for Crypto Strike on Dec. 14Free Crypto LogosFree Crypto OrgElectronic Civil Disobedience (ECD) - look to last section MIRROR SITES Country URL Notes Australia 1 ftp.psy.uq.oz.au:/pub/Crypto Australia 2 http://vicraves.i-o.net.au/crypto.html No access logging Austria 1 ftp://ftp.giga.or.at/pub/hacker/crypt Stuff related to crypto Austria 2 ftp://ftp.giga.or.at/pub/hacker/stego Stuff related to steganography Austria 3 ftp://ftp.giga.or.at/pub/hacker/Incoming For very welcome contributions of all sorts: binaries, texts, sources, etc. related tocryptography, cryptanalysis, steganography, information hiding, etc. Brazil 1 http://www.nw.com.br/users/pbarreto/crypto_page.html Selected links, public domain crypto software, mostly related to elliptic curves and block ciphers Brazil 2 http://novaware.cps.softex.br/ NOTICE: Neither Novaware nor this site are subject to restrictions from the Wassenaar Agreement on the control of Cryptography Brazil 3 http://novaware.cps.softex.br/mirrors/cryptix-java/ Cryptix mirror Canada 1 ftp.wimsey.bc.ca Canada 2 ftp://ftp.privacy.nb.ca/pub/crypto/ 233MB; Apache-SSL, SSLeay, cryptlib, freeswan, gnupg, mozilla-crypto, pgpi, ssh Canada 3 ftp://gwynne.cs.ualberta.ca/pub/Crypto/ Canada 4 ftp://ftp.mindlink.net/pub/crypto/ Canada 5 http://www.interlog.com/~rguerra/www 224! PGP and Privacy Links Canada 6 ftp://ftp.mindlink.net/pub/crypto/software/dist/US_or_Canada_only_bc96dce1/LIBS/weidai/crypto30.zip Crypto++ 3.0, a major revision of a free C++ class library of cryptographic primitives. Croatia 1 pgp.rasip.fer.hr:/pub/crypt Denmark 1 http://www.datashopper.dk/~boo/index.html Assorted PGP Freeware Finland 1 http://www.ssh.fi/tech/crypto/sites.html Multiple Sources Finland 2 ftp.funet.fi:/pub/crypt PGP, symmetric and asymmetric encryption, crypto libraries, papers Finland 3 http://www.pgpi.org/ International PGP Home Page Finland 4 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/crypt France 1 http://web.cnam.fr/reseau/Crypto/ L'utilisation du chiffrement en France France 2 ftp://ftp.lip6.fr/pub2/linux/networking/net-source/mail/pgp/ PGP Sendmail v1.4Auto PGP 1.04PGP 2.6.3isPGP 5.0-b8 France 3 http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/oracle/598/cryptofree-fr.htm Liberte pour la cryptographie internationale. UK Mirror, 10MB. PGP, DOS Unix versions, sources, GNUPG, ScramDisk, the PGP 6.0 2.62 french manuals, etc. All are freeware and none have been exported from USA (only PGP international versions). Germany 1 ftp.darmstadt.gmd.de:/pub/crypto Germany 2 ftp.informatik.uni-hildesheim.de:/pub/security Germany 3 ftp://ftp.pca.dfn.de/pub/tools/crypt/ Germany 4 ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/pub/virus/crypt/ Disk and file encryption, PGP, stego, voice encryption Germany 5 ftp://ftp.uni-mainz.de/pub/internet/security/SSL/ SSL site Germany 6 http://www.d.shuttle.de/isil/gnupg/ The GNU Privacy Guard Hong Kong 1
[CTRL] steganography archives (http://www.genocide2600.com/~tattooman/cryptography/)
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[CTRL] tao - activist net (http://www.tao.ca/sky/)
Title: tao: sky: tao communications -> read this carefully on this page: about tao communications demands and principles contact information in this section: how we organise join and volunteer with TAO about this server ongoing TAO work TAO Communications Tao Communications is a regional federation comprised of local autonomous collectives and individuals. We organize networks in order to defend and expand public space and the right to self-determination. We create knowledge through independent public interest research, and distribute it freely through participatory education. We actively promote the establishment of worker-owned and operated autonomous zones. Under the belief that information should be free, we operate against capital or market-regulated forms of political, economic and cultural organization, and towards socially just, ecologically sound, international liberation. We advocate democratic exercise of the means of production to help achieve these beliefs. We also create tactical arts intended for such practical and inspirational application, as to encourage other autonomous groups and individuals to join us in our struggle for democracy. What follows are the agreed upon demands and beliefs of our federation, although not exclusively, or by any limitations: 1) We want freedom. We want the power to resist tyranny and inevitability. We believe in community based participatory democracy arising from direct action and public accountability. In this we believe that people will not be free until we are all able to effectively engage our society as equals in a process of voluntary co-operation. This process includes the freedom for everyone to become, belong, and just plain be, in a manner that does not violate the rights of others. 2) We want full employment and support for all people, engendering political, economic, and social egalitarianism. We believe that every person is inherently entitled to either full employment or a guaranteed income. We believe that the means of production should be placed in the hands of the people, so that communities are able to organize full employment, providing a responsible standard of living which sustainably tries to meet the needs of all people now and in the future. 3) We want an end to the robbery of our communities by capitalists. We believe that the global ruling class and it's corporate economic entities have been built on plunder, pillage, conquest, and tyranny. We demand an end to economic slavery and dependence, with the cancellation of all debt, and restitution to be paid to all aboriginal and formerly colonized peoples. 4) We want free and decent housing, fit for the shelter of human beings. We believe that if the landowners and landlords will not freely give decent housing, then the land should be made into co-operatives, so that local communities, if necessary with aid, can build and make decent housing fit for their people. 5) We want free participatory education for all people that allows us to explore the diverse histories found in our cultures, and the diverse roles we all play in the present-day society. We believe in an education system that enables people to develop a knowledge of self within a participatory and democratic learning process that also allows and encourages the transcendence of self. 6) We want an end to all forms of war. We want all people exempt from military service. We believe that people should not be forced into military service, while also recognizing that people will protect themselves from violence and attack, by whatever means necessary. In this we support communities' efforts to organize self-defence groups to defend and protect their safety from the violence of the state. 7) We want an immediate end to the oppression and victimization of peoples at the hands of the state. We support and struggle with feminism, as well as aboriginal, black, queer, youth, human, and animal liberation struggles, including the valuation of elders. We are anti-ableist, anti-fascist, anti-sexist, anti-racist, anti-ageist, anti-homophobic, anti-speciest, anti-authoritarian, and against neo-liberalism and neo-conservatism. We
Re: [CTRL] Fw: AEP: Republicans let Clinton off the hook
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-02-10 11:22:39 EST, you write: Is there ANY crime Clinton has not yet been accused of? Didn't Fred Thompson, R-Tn, chair a committee that examined these allegations? We do have an "innocent until proven guilty" standard..remember that little ol' thing? As I understand it, Dick Thornburgh frustrated Walsh's investigation into the arms for hostages deal by classifying material to keep it out of Walsh's hands. I wasn't on this list during the Walsh investigation (if it even existed then) but I do hope you fine people were squealing and squawking this loudly then! This constant squealing of alarm about all the things Clinton is alleged to have done reminds me of a saying I came across on the internet once .(paraphrased)..."If a reliable source puts forth wild allegations, one may pause to listen. If a wild source puts forth substantiated allegations, one may pause to listen. If a wild source puts forth wild allegations -- watch out!" There are many things I suspect Reagan and Bush got away with. But I would fully expect anyone to challenge me with "Prove it!" if I were to list my suspicions as FACT day after day. So, this is what I have to say to you, "PROVE IT!" Prove it in a court of law! Prove it during in a hearing! Prove it in an impeachment trial! If you can't prove it, stop asserting these allegations as fact. Or better yet, just shaddup already! Samantha Have you been in a coma for the last 6 years? "Prove it" "prove it" has become the mantra of the mindless few who still support Clinton, or try to pass themselves off as objective witnesses who naively, or because it suits their mindset, believe that Janet Reno and the "Justice" Department/FBI will vigilantly pursue the truth in Clinton's many treasonous acts and or criminality. If you had done a modicum of research into Janet Reno's handling of the Waco slaughter, and particularly the enormous cover-up orchestrated in the Oklahoma City bombing by the Justice Department (the inslaw case is a perfect example of the widespread malfeaseance at the Justice Dept)and the FBI you would know that there is no such thing as an honest investigation ever carried out by Reno or the Justice Dept. Reno has been running interfenence for Clinton since she was appointed Attorney General, and that is exactly why she has that position, and the same go's for Freeh. Do you really believe that he didn't use information gleaned from FBI files about his opponents? Do you really believe Vince Foster committed suicide? What about Ron Brown? What about Chinagate, and the book "The Year of the Rat" which documents Clinton selling weapons technology to the nation which holds the status of having murdered more of it's own citizens than any other regime in history, the Chinese government? What about 50/60+ people dead who either knew Bill or were potential enemy's of his? I know, all coincidence, right? There, there, go back to sleep, it's all just unsubstantiated speculation and coincidence. But there are still the graves of 86 men woman and children of Waco which stand in immutable testimony to Janet Reno's and Bill Clinton's ingrained alienation to even a semblance of human decency. The 169 murdered men woman and children of Oklahoma, if you bother to research it, is absolute proof of their willingness to murder Americans in order to implement new far reaching laws which, in their original form, advocated giving the President the right to designate, arbritrarily, any group or organization as '"Terrorist". Michelle Mary Moore's book spells it out on pages 130-143, in her book "Oklahoma City:Day One". Below is paraphrased from her book; In February 1995 The Omnibus Counter-Terrorism bill had been introduced as S. 390 (later S. 735) in the Senate and as H.R. 896 (later H.R. 2703) in the House of Representatives. Joseph R. Biden and Arlen Specter had introduced the bill in the Senate; Charles E. Schuman and Norman D. Dicks had introduced it in the House of Representatives. These Bill's, which became known as "The Anti-terrorism bill" proposed giving unheard of power to law enforcement and the President - for example, the President can arbritrarily declare any lawful organization as "terrorist" and imprison it's members for up to ten years and the organization cannot appeal the Presidnet's decision. Suspension of posse comitatus, allowing the government to use the military to police civilians and use them in any law enforcement capacity the President deams necessary. Once you are accused of a crime, you are asumed guilty and are ineligible for bail and can be held until trial, however long that may be, without appeal. Both bills repeatedly stated that the President could change any law he wanted at any time, so any activity could become illegal at the Presidents whim. Samantha knows best, the facts are what the FBI/Justice Deparment and Bill Clinton tell us, if they
[CTRL] Missile Defense
-Caveat Lector- Next they'll complain our missile technology is deficent from the standpoint we know how it works! From Int'l Herald Tribune Paris, Friday, February 12, 1999 Missile Defense Criticism Is Broadened Reuters BEIJING - China broadened its campaign on Thursday against U.S. plans to develop missile defense systems, saying that their deployment could turn space into a ''new battlefield.'' A Foreign Ministry spokesman in Beijing said the missile defense system proposed by Washington threatened Asian stability and risked damaging China-U.S. ties. And in Geneva, Li Changhe, China's delegate to the United Nations Conference on Disarmament, said that Washington's plans to amend the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty to pursue the defense ''umbrella'' would upset the global strategic balance. But military analysts in Beijing generally played down reports that, in response to the U.S. plans, Beijing had fielded large numbers of ballistic missile batteries aimed at Taiwan, saying that there was no immediate threat to the island. ''This has been in the works for a while,'' a Western diplomat said. ''It was not unexpected.'' The Foreign ministry spokesman, Zhang Qiyue, said that the high-technology theater missile defense system struck at U.S. ties with China as enshrined in three joint communiqués, under which Washington agreed to sell only defensive weapons to Taipei. ''Including Taiwan in any form in the TMD system would constitute violation of international law, the three joint communiqués and would lay obstacles to the development and improvement of bilateral relations,'' Miss Zhang said. ''It would also be counterproductive to peace and stability in Taiwan and the Asia-Pacific region.'' Taiwan's Defense Ministry said Wednesday that China threatened the island with more than 100 M-class ballistic missiles. U.S. military analysts, citing a Pentagon report, said Beijing had deployed from 150 to 200 of the solid-fuel missiles, up from 30 to 50 three years ago. ''The momentum of development has increased, but the missiles are just a deterrent,'' said a military analyst in China. ''The Chinese do not have the capability to mount a successful invasion, so this is China putting more emphasis on the stick approach rather than the carrot.'' Beijing angrily rejects the missile defense as part of an aggressive tool of containment designed to thwart its designs to reunify Taiwan with the mainland. So far, Washington has discussed the plan with Japan and South Korea and has made no decision on including Taiwan. ''The TMD is a political issue not a military one,'' said the China-based military analyst, dismissing suggestions that China had stepped up missile production to counter the system. ''It's still a very long way before it is effective operationally,'' he said of the system, which is many years away from deployment - if it ever gets off the drawing boards. Defense Secretary William Cohen said last month that the United States faced a growing threat of missile attacks, a reference generally understood to mean North Korea. Washington plans to spend $6.6 billion on countering the threat, in addition to $3.9 billion already budgeted over the next five years, but no decision to deploy will be made before 2000. Diplomats in Geneva said that the Chinese delegate's speech, coupled with the Foreign Ministry's warning, showed that China was turning up the heat on America over the issue. Mr. Li urged the 61-member forum in Geneva to launch global negotiations to halt an arms race in space. ''As the single multilateral disarmament negotiating forum, the CD should live up to its obligations and responsibilities to address this important issue before it is too late,'' he said. ''The ultimate consequence will be turning outer space into a new battlefield and a base for weapon systems,'' Mr. Li said. The U.S. delegation did not respond to China's criticism. For its part, Taipei called the deployment a psychological threat. Taiwan's Defense Ministry has said that the Chinese missiles, which are capable of carrying either conventional or nuclear warheads, highlight the need for a U.S.-designed anti-missile defense. Analysts in Taiwan said Thursday the island was vulnerable to any missile buildup by China. Taiwan's air defense currently is based on the U.S.-made Patriot surface-to-air missile system and home-grown Sky Bow missiles. ''Taiwan's missile defense is still very fragile at the moment,'' said a military analyst in Taipei, Andrew Yang. China frightened Taiwanese citizens by test-firing missiles near the coast in 1995 and 1996. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright is to go to China this month to discuss a range of bilateral issues as well as Chinese Premier Zhu Rongji's expected U.S. visit in April. AER The only real voyage of discovery
[CTRL] Freek Press
-Caveat Lector- From LA Times Tuesday, February 9, 1999 Shredding the Ties That Bind Journalists PictureFriendship: Writers dine out on facts. What they must not do is burn each other. By TODD GITLIN Picture: Journalists, especially in Washington and especially on the left, are reeling from the weekend news about the morals of their "community." What caused shudders was the affidavit sworn out last week by the British journalist Christopher Hitchens, alleging that his (now ex-) friend Sidney Blumenthal had lied when he maintained, under oath, in a Feb. 3 deposition for the Senate trial of President Clinton that he had not spread derogatory rumors about Monica Lewinsky to reporters. Curiously referring to his wife as his "associate," perhaps to establish that the lunch with Blumenthal last March was all business, Hitchens alleged that "Mr. Blumenthal stated that Monica Lewinsky had been a 'stalker' and that the president was 'the victim' of a predatory and unstable sexually demanding young woman. . . . I have personal knowledge that Mr. Blumenthal recounted to other people in the journalistic community the same story about Monica Lewinsky." Blumenthal, himself a well-known former journalist turned White House aide, has responded that "the notion that I was trying to plant a story with this rabidly anti-Clinton friend is absurd." So, to the delectation of the Republican right, has Blumenthal been betrayed by a man who affects revolutionary virtue, marooned in the '90s. Some of what is in play, no doubt, is left-wing fundamentalism: the conviction of purists that what stands in the way of their hearts' desire is the treacherous class enemy, the Social Democrats (aka "social fascists," in Stalinist parlance) who mislead the otherwise vigorous proletariat. Blumenthal's Clintonian "third way" centrism is, from this point of view, itself the sheerest betrayal. Therefore, no holds are to be barred. Belle-lettristic denunciation will not suffice. Call in the law. But some of what seems to be in play in Hitchens' betrayal is the question of what constitutes friendship in the first place. For if Hitchens' affidavit is false, that is one sort of betrayal; if it is true, that is another sort. In either case, betrayal of friendship is the irreducible core of the matter--as is the case in two recent books about friendship and betrayal, Norman Podhoretz's "Ex-Friends" and Paul Theroux's "Sir Vidia's Shadow." In a superb review of both books in the current issue of Dissent, writer George Packer asks what kind of friendships these were that were so lustfully, so irreconcilably broken. They were not what one normally thinks of as friendships. They were little mutual-use societies. These shredded friendships were, in effect, business deals gone bad. The two books, Packer writes, "call into question the very notion that literary friendship itself is possible." In the case of Blumenthal and Hitchens, accomplished writers both, the deals were largely political, not literary, but Packer's point stands in their case as well. Journalists tend to befriend journalists and organize convivial associations of their kind. Even rivals are warmed by the fires of the same fraternity (or sorority). As in every professional circle, they cement their bonds with gossip, among other things. They dine out on facts--meaning in part, each other's facts--and they also confide. What they must not do is burn each other. If this principle sounds cozy, it is also, in journalism as in politics, a prerequisite for social decency. In the early years of the Cold War, friendships also shattered when ex-Communists named the names not of spies but of run-of-the-mill Communist Party members. What was so deeply corrosive was not simply that the ex-Communist witnesses disagreed about Stalin or the Cold War--that was long overdue. They could have written articles, even film scripts, denouncing each others' views. That would have been the politics of the pen--what one expects from writers, after all. No, what was corrosive was that friends went before congressional committees and courts to inform. They hadn't been friends at all, connected person to person. They had been "comrades," a bond they had thought more exalted--fused in a total enterprise they had imagined to surpass such bourgeois notions as trustworthiness. They were badly, grievously wrong. Their opportunistic bond proved paper-thin. From Linda Tripp to Kenneth Starr to Christopher Hitchens. . . . poisons are circulating. Tripp's illegal tape recordings led to impeachment, hot pursuit of a president led Starr to circulate his illegally got gains all over the world, and now Hitchens joins them in disgrace. Wiretaps, subpoenas, affidavits, the whole criminalizing apparatus of betrayal--all this destroys trust. Abuse the trust of friends and you shred honor. Shred honor and you plunge civilization into the war of all against all. Talk about moral lessons for the
[CTRL] New Food Order
-Caveat Lector-
Now: of what use could Starr-Boie make of how many pints of Hagen-Dasz
some young Washintonite up-and-comer ate (and what flavour{s})?
From IrishTimes
FRONT PAGEThursday, February 11, 1999Picture
Kitchen appliance will have
self-ordering cartons
By Kevin O'Sullivan, Environmental and Food Science Correspondent
The computerised fridge which pays the food bills via the Internet, has
self-ordering milk cartons, and a system to warn when produce is gone off
is ready to take its place in the kitchen of the future.
The household appliance that doubles as a communications centre also
compiles the shopping list, and, ultimately, may replace wandering around
supermarket aisles as an inevitable part of replenishing supplies - for it
brings Internet shopping for food a significant step closer. For technos,
and "kitchen managers" (to adopt the description of its designers) for whom
the technology is primarily intended, the "Screenfridge" is likely to be
the coolest household accessory available early in the new millennium.
Computer company ICL and household goods manufacturer Electrolux have
joined forces to create the fridge/freezer which is likely to reshape the
way people store food and change the way they shop.
It is expected to cost the combined price of "a typical fridge freezer and
a modest computer", an Electrolux spokeswoman told The Irish Times.
A 13-inch colour screen will display information about the food inside,
advise on expiry dates, temperature and even alert users when produce is
running out.
By using a barcode scanner, food can be registered going in and out. The
shopping list will come in the form of a computer printout.
The prototype is to be unveiled in Cologne later this month at
Domotechnica, the world's largest appliance trade fair. After further
market evaluations, it is due to go into production later this year. Voice
and face recognition may only be around the corner.
The product plans follow research indicating a need to make appliances
"more communicative". The kitchen is considered one of the main
communication hubs in the household.
Connection from the fridge via phone and Internet to supermarkets will
allow bills to be paid online, though Internet food shopping is not yet
routinely available.
Some supermarket groups, nonetheless, are already evaluating this option in
parts of Britain. So the chances are they will soon be in tune with the
talking fridge. (Additional reporting: PA)
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[CTRL] [piml] Andrews Photos
-Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:05:26 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 58 Subject: [piml] Andrews Photos Some interesting aerial photos of the FBI compound at Andrews - plus some other shots. Very slow loading though. Mike P http://republicradio.freeservers.com/andrews.htm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Hand Me Down My Aspartame.
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:00:28 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John F. Winston) To: 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:IUFO: Hand Me Down My Aspartame. Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - IUFO Mailing List Subject: Hand Me Down My Aspartame.Feb. 11, 1999. Here is an e-mail I received. . . From: R H To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Aspartame test My wife is a diabetic with hand and joint pain. She has been a diet Dr Pepper drinker for eight years (approx 1-1.5 liters per day) and was diagnosed with insulin dependent diabetes five years ago. Her sugar has never been controlled (200-600) even with two hospital stays for balancing. When your article crossed our path she decided to go cold turkey off the diet dr pepper. Almost immediately, her blood sugars went to 56-180 with fasting sugars around 125-140. Some binge snacks had small affects on her sugar but not the 150 points we had previously seen. Additionally, after about one week, her joint pain disappeared and she stopped the two medications she had been taking for fibromialga. After two weeks there had been no joint pain and controllable sugar. As a test, two weeks later she drank a two liter bottle of diet Dr Pepper one evening. The next morning her joint pain was back she could barely walk, and her sugar was out of control. Needless to say, she will never touch an aspartame laced product again. We are very thankfull your article crossed our path. After seeing several doctors, we had basically had given up on controlling her sugar and pain. I have forwarded copies to my friends and our family physician and her endoconologist. Thanks again for your article. R H John Winston. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Send "subscribe iufo " to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Posted by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John F. Winston) Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL Today's Midi http://www.anomalous-images.com/Valerie_2_(Steve_Winwood).mid Anomalous Images and UFO Files http://www.anomalous-images.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Falwell Confidential
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Subject: Falwell Confidential
DATE: February 12, 1999
FROM: Jerry Falwell
TELETUBBIES TEMPEST IN A TEAPOT: By now, I am confident that most of
you have heard about the Teletubbies controversy that has been
raging since the publication of the February issue of my National
Liberty Journal newspaper. In that issue, Senior Editor J.M. Smith
wrote an insightful "Parents Alert" in which he informed pastors and
parents of three related news stories that were pertinent to them.
In that "Alert" was a trio of articles. One story alerted parents
to trading cards of the animated series "South Park," that feature
adolescent children who habitually curse and take the Lord's name in
vain -- in the series and in the trading cards. Another story
informed parents about the Disney recall of "The Rescuers" animated
video because it contained covert images of a nude woman. The third
article was the one that caused the national uproar. However, this
article never called for a boycott of the Teletubbies series. It
was simply a "parents alert" referring to stories that had already
appeared in the media. (To read this "Parents Alert," please visit
my website ... http://www.falwell.com.) Once the media received this
issue, the media frenzy quickly developed. The surprising part of
this story, however, is that the Journal was far from the first
national paper to report on the Teletubbies controversy. Time,
People, the Washington Post, CNN, E-Online, and other national
media outlets, over the past several months, had referred to the
growing homosexual obsession of the Teletubbies character known as
Tinky Winky. This harmless-looking character carries a red patent
leather purse and has a triangle, the recognized symbol of the
homosexual-rights community, on his head. In an article on
"Gayness" on television, the Washington Blade -- a homosexual
newspaper -- quoted Village Voice columnist Michael Musto, who
proclaimed, "It's a great message to kids -- not only that it's OK
to be Gay, but the importance of being well-accessorized." However,
when the Journal mentioned the show's possible hidden homosexual
themes and its publicized allure to gays, the media went ballistic.
Amazingly, the whole situation transpired after David Reed, a
Roanoke, Va.,-based Associated Press writer, had deceptively
insinuated that I had "outed Tinky Winky." ("Outed" refers to an
individual who comes out of the proverbial homosexual closet.)
Well, Tinky Winky was "outed" long before the Journal story. In
fact, the Washington Blade quote above was printed on April 17, 1998
-- nearly a year ago! Where was the media uproar then? During the
last few days, I have received an overwhelming number of critical E-
mails from admitted homosexuals who have disparaged me. (J.M.
Smith, who has also read many of these E-mails, told me today that
he's learned that gays can cuss out an individual in far more
creative ways than he had ever seen.) Nevertheless, through this
controversy and unfair portrayal of me as the "outer" of Tinky
Winky, I have been afforded a wonderful opportunity to share the
Gospel of Jesus Christ on all of the network morning news shows,
many of the cable news broadcasts, and on all of our local media
outlets. Who would have ever predicted that the little parental
warning in the February issue of the Journal would open such a world
of opportunity to share the eternal Hope of Christ. I'll gladly
allow my name to be soiled by the secular press in order to have the
occasion to share my relationship with Christ -- any time!
THE LAST DAYS OF IMPEACHMENT: As I write this communique Thursday
evening, it appears that President Bill Clinton will escape from the
grasp of impeachment. While he will be acquitted, like O.J.
Simpson, Bill Clinton will, like Simpson, be a pariah forever. This
is a sad commentary for late-20th Century America. The message to
the current generation of young people is that powerful and popular
men can get away with perjury and obstruction of justice, while
lesser individuals go to prison for those same crimes. Ambrose
Evans-Pritchard, an excellent British journalist, wrote, "For the
past six years I have been shouting that Bill Clinton is a wicked
man, with past ties to organized crime and a tolerance for vicarious
violence. I assumed that Americans would catch on to this, and that
most would object. For though they are famously slow to anger, they
are -- or used to be -- harsh to judgment. But the fat times have
dulled their senses and absolved all sins." He's absolutely right.
Our nation is basking in the glow of a shining economy and is
therefore willing to allow our president to defy the very laws that
make our country unique and wonderful. Additionally, Bill Bennett,
writing in the Wall Street Journal, expressed outrage
[CTRL] Prince William Believes Lady Di Murdered
-Caveat Lector- WILLIAM BLAMES CHARLES FOR DIANA'S DEATH The Globe Joe Mullins January 26, 1999 Tormented by grief and memories of his mom, Prince William is holding his father responsible for her death-and royal insiders fear the handsome teen is starting to crack up. The youngster is obsessed with the accident that killed Diana and scoffs at the just-released official French report blaming only the driver, telling pals: " I hope my dad can sleep at nights- because I can't." Palace sources say the 16-year-old prince has undergone therapy sessions with a leading psychiatrist and grief counselors-but his anger over his mom's senseless death is building. "Wills is in a fury," said a palace source. " He believes Prince Charles is responsible for her death because he virtually drove her out of the royal family into the arms of a playboy." In an angry confrontation with Prince Charles just before Christmas, William lashed out at the spies and plotters who drove my mother to her death, " say insiders. He told his father that his mother's final years were a nightmare because she had been " followed and spied upon by these people." "They listened in on her phone calls, they watched her every move. She would have been safe in England if you had been kinder to her," he sobbed. The report of the French inquiry-which has been leaked to the press-blames the accident 16 months ago on the shocking drunken driving of chauffer Henri Paul. But William believes the report is a " whitewash" that never addresses the underlying reasons for his mom's tragic death. " He's convinced his mother needed a super-rich boyfriend like Dodi Fayed to escape they royal family's constant spying," says a source. Deep down, William has dark suspicions there might be some truth to stories his mom's car was sabotaged. He also worries that British agents had a hand in the crash because they viewed Princess Diana as an embarrassment to the royal family. The confused teen asked one pal: " Do you really think they could have done this? So much has been said that I don't know what to believe anymore. Sometimes I look at my father and think: " How much does he really know? How much is there that he hasn't told me about Mother's crash?" William's view is right on target, says a former British spy who gave evidence to Judge Herve Stephan during the French inquiry. In an exclusive GLOBE interview, Richard Tomlinson-who worked for M16, the British counterpart of the CIA-says Henri Paul was on the payroll of the British secret service and no doubt was reporting back on Di's behavior. " I felt it was my duty to tell Judge Stephan about Henri Paul's links to M16, " said Tomlinson, 37. Royal insiders say Charles is shocked that his son is turning against him. "When William told his dad he was responsible for Diana's relationship with dangerous Dodi, Charles was hurt and angry, " said an insider. " He snapped back that Diana was headstrong and willful and could have lived a perfectly contented life in London. " But William hit back, saying his mom was in despair because there were spies at every turn. He sobbed:" You could have helped, you should have loved her more." Charles has become a stranger in his son's eyes, said another source. William's seething anger recently drove him to act out in shocking fashion. As GLOBE reported last week. he and 14 pals went on a boozing binge in Windsor Castle after a dinner party. As Charles puts his life in order-bringing his mistress Camilla more and more into public life- his older son is begining to rebel, confirmed a palace insider. " He only speaks to his father when he's absolutely forced to. After Christmas, Charles wanted to take him skiing to Klosters in Switzerland with his younger brother Harry. But Wills wouldn't hear of it. " Instead, he went to a friend's home in Scotland. " William didn't want to pretend anymore that everything is fine. " He told friends: " If father thinks I'm going to accept Camilla, he's crazy. I'll never allow her to be known as my stepmother." Another royal insider said William has become a walking time bomb because of his grief and anger at his dad. " He'll never get over the tragedy. He's like a volcano waiting to explode." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
Re: [CTRL] Clinton, Democrats, and Republicans
-Caveat Lector- On 11 Feb 99, , Samatha wrote: Having said that, I do agree with you about GW being a bigger threat than other candidates should he make it to the WH. He scares the bejeezus out of me. One of the things GW can be pretty much counted on to do if elected is move the major focus of the drug trade back to SE Asia. Mexico is about to be "black-listed" because of the heavy traffic coming over the borders, South and Central America probably now need to be "cleaned up." Seemed to be in the works when Chase Manhattan made Dad their "liason" to Vietnam--was that last year or the year before? I guess these things take time. Talk about "lesser" crimes. Clinton was a mere errand boy in Dad's BIG game. If Clinton's little part is revealed, then Dad's big part would hit the fan...and just think of what that would do for those oh so morally upright Republicans. And as for Clinton getting "revenge" by winning back seats in the Senateisn't that what politics is all about? He won't need to get revenge. The voters will do it for him--for all the good it will do them. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: It's true that abortion is legal but, hey///
-Caveat Lector- On 11 Feb 99, , Samatha wrote: I appreciate anti-abortion activists' attempts to furnish practical solutions to avoid abortions: offering medical care and adoption services to pregnant women, supporting pre-conception birth control measures and working to make them widely available, and advocating medical coverage for uninsured children, WIC programs, foodstamps for the poor, school lunches, etc. But all too often, anti-abortion proponents are against the very social programs that would help prevent unwanted pregnancies or insure that existing children are given the basics in life. They are often the ones who oppose sex ed in schools, oppose contraception choices for teens, etc. Yep--this is where and how it really gets crazy. A very good point. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [prj] DOPE SUPPORTERS
-Caveat Lector- nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- No it isn't. It isn't anything at all like rape. Are you speaking from personal experience here, or just passing along hearsay? You're not fishing are you? You're not one of those twisted sickies looking for some kinky action on the internet are you? Because if you are, I'll have to pass. I'm not that kind of boy. J2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ******** ATTENTION - SPECIAL PROGRAM ************
-Caveat Lector- Friday 8pm ( E.T.) on the History Channel. " The Plot To Overthrow FDR " The true conspiracy by some of America's Corporate Elites to overthrow FDR and install a much admired Fascist government based on those of the European Fascists in Italy, Spain, and Germany. They made just one teeny weeny mistake. They asked General Smedley Darlington Butler, the most famous and revered military man in America at the time to lead the vast number of Vets and active duty soldiers that they hoped would take part in the coup. He saved this country. Major General Smedley D. Butler was a three time winner of the Congressional Medal of Honor, and a famous hero of the Spanish American War and W.W.I. How is it that hardly anyone has ever heard of him? Don't miss this opportunity! The few books about Smedley Butler are out of print and very difficult to come by. This is one of the MOST SUPPRESSED chapters in our history. It is one of the foremost examples of corporate treason in a long history of corporate treason which goes on to this day. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Frankenstein Food
-Caveat Lector- I am starting to lose my appetite. First "growth hormone" milk. Next "terminator" sterile crop seeds. Now "frankenstein" foods. What's next? Genetically engineered salmon(ella)? flw Electronic Telegraph ISSUE 1358 Friday 12 February 1999 Alarm over 'Frankenstein' foods By Polly Newton David Brown and Charles Clover Biological Effects of Plant Lectins on the Gastrointestinal Tract: Metabolic Consequences and Applications - Pusztai A and Bardocz S Thorkild's main page on the Pusztai case - Prof Thorkild Bog-Hansen [in support of Dr Pusztai] English Nature criticises presentation of House of Lords report [22 Jan '99] - English Nature English Nature Friends of the Earth supports Tory GM moratorium call [3 Feb '99] - Friends of the Earth Advisory Committee on Releases to the Environment - Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions News releases - Cabinet Office A SCIENTIST who was condemned for saying that genetically modified foods could damage human health was backed last night by 20 scientists from around the world. Jack Cunningham, the Cabinet "enforcer", promised that the Government would look "very thoroughly and very quickly" into the new claims about the effects of so-called "Frankenstein foods". The scientist, Dr Arpad Pusztai, was forced out of his job at the Government-funded Rowett research institute in Aberdeen last August when he said that rats had suffered a reduction in brain size, liver damage and a weakening of their immune system after being fed GM potatoes for only 10 days. The development of the animals' kidney, thymus, spleen and gut was also affected. Dr Pusztai told Granada TV's World in Action that he would not eat GM food. He said he found it "very, very unfair to use our fellow citizens as guinea pigs". At the time, the institute described the results of Dr Pusztai's experiments as "very confused". The head of the institute, Prof Philip James, is the man behind the Government's proposals for a food standards agency and has been tipped as a leading candidate for its top job. Vyvyan Howard, one of the scientists who is backing Dr Pusztai, told BBC's Newsnight last night: "We find that his data are sound. We think it would pass peer review and be published and we are at a loss to explain why the Rowett institute came to the conclusion it did." Mr Howard, a toxipathologist at Liverpool University, said that the scientists from various countries who reviewed Dr Pusztai's work included specialists in genetic engineering and in medicine. A Scottish Office immunologist is reported to have approved the methods used by Dr Pusztai's team. Recent research on the same rats by Dr Stanley Ewen, a senior pathologist at Aberdeen University medical school, is also understood to validate Dr Pusztai's preliminary findings and suggest new possible health risks. Dr Ewen found that rats fed the GM potatoes used in Dr Pusztai's experiments suffered from an enlarged stomach wall and an elongation of a section of the stomach after 10 days of feeding trials. Mr Cunningham, who as Minister of Agriculture banned beef on the bone, told Newsnight that it would be "very surprising" if Dr Pusztai's work were "suddenly validated by another set of experiments". But he said: "We shall certainly examine it very thoroughly and very quickly. We want to be aware of any new work and any new developments in what is a fast developing field." Asked if he believed that GM foods were safe, Mr Cunningham said: "I think they can be safe. They have of course got to be thoroughly examined and properly licensed before they can ever be either grown or produced or brought into the food chain." Last night Paul Tyler, the Liberal Democrat food spokesman, said he would ask the Commons agriculture select committee to investigate the affair. "These are not scaremongering amateurs but the premier Government research team in this field," he said. "Confusion over the original significance of these findings meant that the huge companies involved in genetic engineering were able to dismiss them as misleading. "Now the reputation of Dr Pusztai is being reinstated and it is the novel foods which are back in the dock." The Government's handling of the affair had been criticised earlier in the day when Mr Cunningham was accused of misleading MPs into believing that its official wildlife advisers had not recommended a three-year ban on GM crops. Lady Young, chairman of English Nature, wrote to Tony Blair saying her organisation had called for a moratorium on all herbicide-tolerant and insect-resistant crops so that research could be carried out into their impact on the countryside. "We are very concerned about the effects that herbicide-tolerant crops would have on biodiversity," she said. "These varieties would give farmers the ability to eliminate wildlife in crops." But in the Commons on Wednesday Mr Cunningham said William Hague, the Tory leader, had been "misleading and
Re: [CTRL] Get me off this list!! You're clogging my email!
I too never asked to be on the list. Please remove me! I reject as fantasy the idea that legal arguments can prevail against the income tax. Tax protesters willing to go to jail to lead a real tax resistance movement would be one thing. PRETENDING LEGAL MUMBO JUMBO WILL SAVE FOLKS FROM THE JACK-BOOTED IRS IS A LIE! The legal system is a fraud when it comes to any issue that impinges on Federal Tyranny. ***Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research (POB 20273,Ferndale, MI 48220), a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for theentire political-ideological spectrum. Quarterly journal, book sales,rare/out-of-print searches, New Paradigms Discussion List, Weekly Up-dateLists E-text Archive of research, intelligence, catalogs, resources.To Discuss Ideas: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://msen.com/~lloyd/ For Ordering Info Free Catalog: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://a-albionic.com/formaddress.html For Discussion List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] text in body: subscribe prj [EMAIL PROTECTED]**FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: http://a-albionic.com/search.html ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html Video Finder, Free Catalogs, Links, Sweepstakes, What-Not: http://www.msen.com/~daugh/store.htm***
Re: [CTRL] The Stargate Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- If there isn't a big copyright battle then I'll believe in a "Stargate Conspiracy" The movie sucked. The TV series sucks. Hey, maybe it's a brilliant plan to lull us into a false sense of yawn -Caveat Lector- from: [Rennes-le-chateau] Digest Number 36 - Message: 2 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:51:27 -0500 From: Andrew Ormston [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Stargate Conspiracy "The Stargate Conspiracy" exposes the most insidious and dangerous plan of our times. Centred on the search for lost secrets of the pyramid builders, this extraordinary true story reveals the links between US scientific intelligence agencies, Mars and ancient Egypt. For almost 50 years, like Frankenstein's monster, this conspiracy has been put together from cultish - but astonishingly powerful - belief systems, culminating in the emergence of a new fundamentalism that is gathering strength by feeding on Millennium fever. Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince reveal the secret agenda that unites apparently independent authors and researchers - including top names with millions of readers worldwide - and which is targeted to all of us. The Stargate Conspiracy reveals that even the genuine musteries of the gods themselves have been hijacked by powerful cabals - whic include top industrialists, politicians, scientists and intelligence agencies such as MI5 and the CIA - in order to fulfill their secret agenda. At the heart of this conspiracy is the belife that the ancient Egyptian gods we - and are - extra terrestrial beings, that certain key people are in contact with them, and that they are about to return through the 'stargate' between our world and theirs. Are we prepared for the imminent return of the gods? And will we be expected unquestioningly to accept the conspirators as our spokesmen? Or is this an exercise in mass manipulation designed to make us support the conspirators? As they calculatedly whip up Millennium fever, triumphantly persuading us that they alone know how to talk to the gods, this book serves as a serious warning to mankind. ISBN 0 316 64861 2 £18.99 320pp June release DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
