[CTRL] Russians optimistic over new IMF loan
-Caveat Lector- Russians optimistic over new IMF loan MOSCOW (AP) - Russia's former prime minister and Moscow's mayor expressed optimism Saturday that a new loan deal with the International Monetary Fund would be successfully negotiated. Former Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin, returning from a visit to the United States, said he believed talks with the IMF under way in Moscow would reach a successful conclusion by the end of the month. Moscow's Mayor Yuri Luzhkov, a favorite to succeed President Boris Yeltsin in next year's presidential elections, also said he was hopeful a loan deal would be negotiated. The government recruited Chernomyrdin to help move along talks with the IMF because he has long experience with such negotiations and good personal contacts with IMF chief Michel Camdessus and Vice President Al Gore. Russia has accumulated about $150 billion in debts to foreign lenders, and is due to pay off $17.5 billion this year. The government has already said it can't meet the obligation and is hoping that a combination of new loans and restructuring agreements will help it avoid default. Chernomyrdin, who returned Friday night, telephoned Prime Minister Yevgeny Primakov on Saturday to brief him on his meeting in New York with Camdessus, the ITAR-Tass news agency said. Although Chernomyrdin pointed out he had no powers to negotiate, he said his meeting with Camdessus went well, ITAR-Tass said. Chernomyrdin was scheduled to meet early Sunday with Finance Minister Mikhail Zadornov, who is leading the Moscow talks with an IMF delegation, the Interfax news agency reported. The Russian economy plunged last August after the government defaulted on some debts when the country was hit by the global crisis in emerging markets. Yeltsin, seeking to assure the IMF that the government is taking steps to restore a sound economy, has ordered a larger state role in Russia's banking system, Interfax reported. The IMF mission in Moscow is expected to prepare a report on Russia's economic condition by March 24, when Primakov is scheduled to meet with Camdessus in Washington. Copyright 1999 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Picture DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Protect Your Medical Privacy!
From ACLU, for those interested. Teo1000 To: ACLU Action Network From: Penny Crawley, ACLU Cyber Organizer Date: March 12, 1999 1. Medical Privacy Bills Introduced 2. Defend Your Data Privacy Campaign 1. Saying that it is a strong proposal that will accomplish much to protect the privacy of health care consumers, the American Civil Liberties Union has endorsed medical records privacy legislation introduced in both the House and Senate this week. The Medical Information Privacy and Security Act, sponsored by Patrick Leahy (D-VT) and Edward Kennedy (D-MA) in the Senate and Edward Markey (D-MA) in the House, offers the best approach to creating a national policy for protecting medical records privacy. The Kennedy-Leahy-Markey bills would create a strong floor of privacy protection, but would not preempt state laws that take even stronger steps to safeguard medical privacy. The bills would require an individual's informed consent before his or her records were disclosed to third parties except under carefully outlined circumstances, and greatly limit law enforcement access to medical records. Take action to protect your medical privacy! Send a FREE FAX to your members of Congress urging them to support the Medical Information Privacy and Security Act from the ACLU web site at: http://www.aclu.org/action/medprivacy106.html 2. Urging netizens everywhere to defend their data, the American Civil Liberties Union has launched a special website to focus public attention on the threat to personal privacy through the collection and widespread distribution of personal data. The new web collection features several interactive elements, including: ---A complaint form where individuals can spell out their privacy horror stories. ---A tool that shows individuals just what can be learned about them on the web. ---A survey and postcard utility. ---Faxable letters to Congress. ---A discussion forum. The web collection marks the ACLU's increasing efforts to protect individual privacy in America. "We clearly have our work cut out for us to derail what has been an endless stream of proposals that attack our privacy rights," said ACLU Executive Director Ira Glasser. "And although many believe widespread dissemination of our data is harmless, the ACLU believes that what they do know, can hurt us." You can find the Defend Your Data Privacy campaign on the ACLU web site at: http://www.aclu.org/privacy Please consider sending an electronic postcard to your family, friends and colleagues about this exciting new web site. The e-postcard feature can be found at: http://www.aclu.org/forms/postcards/postcard.html --- You are currently subscribed to action as: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] To unsubscribe, forward this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Some email programs allow you to click on a web address and automatically go to the site. Others, like AOL, do not. If you use an email program that does not provide for clickable web addresses, copy the URL and paste it into your web browser.
Re: [CTRL] ALERT! URGENT: CONTACT YOUR SENATORS FOR NATIONAL MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEM
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 13 Mar 1999, Ric Carter wrote: Ric "if you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail" Carter Man, I love that! And OH SO TRUE (I recall my first gun purchases...altho never really feeling I needed one...within a few weeks I was wondering how the hell I ever got along without one, pulling it out and running around my yard at night NUDE with gun in hand, at every sound, real or not...didn't matter:) Ric, where did you get this "if you have a hammer..." thing from, i.e., is it original?? Thanks, Mike = Kaddish, Kaddish, Kaddish, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CIA awards Inhumanitarian medal ...
-Caveat Lector- Indeed - Huey Long was right - when Fascism comes, it will come in disguise. He would have been more suited to a swineherd - but I do not want to insult the pigs. I wonder if this man ever drew up the "final solution" for the extermination of a portion of the American public, in the name of swine flu or germ warfare. It seemed, I rather side-stepped the contrails until I saw them in my own front yard with the same design. Is someone being funny; suddenly, though we do have more snow coming in...another 4 inches. One item on the net states anthrax; when, anthrax and menningitis are related, just like Gottleib and Nazi experiments - DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: too cool....
-Caveat Lector- This is the best news I have heard all week; the Sheriff is an elected official, and answers to the people. The military is not elected to office; they answer to the President, and he answers unto the people. Tlhis is a message the Militia has been trying to deliver for yearsand I might add on television I saw a leader in the militia named Olsen, appeal to the Senator Harold Thompson to check out this weather control aka modification program; he promised to so do. And further, if your husband or son is in the militia, remember - when they come home, they still answer to their wives if they spend too much time playing wargames and not enough time with their families. This is the only legal way to quarter troops in peacetime DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Girl Scouts
-Caveat Lector- Indeed, the "HItler Youth" a group structured to indoctrinate young Germans into the ways of nazism has many similarities with that of the Girl and Boy Scouts. -Original Message- From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, 12 March 1999 3:54 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Girl Scouts -Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Brian Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm doing a report on the girl scouts and how they may be linked to some sort of hierarchy of conspiracies? Does anyone have any kind of info. pertaining to Ah yes, the notorious girl scouts -- linked with the infamous campfire girls. Seemingly innocent, they go around selling cookies. But really they gather information and send it to their Smoky Bear god. And what about those green uniforms they wear? Good camouflage for hiding in parks and spying on tourists. It's all there. It all adds up. Consider that Col. Robert Baden-Powell, active as a spy in the Boer War [riding a giant box-kite to observe Afrikaaner positions], had established the paramilitary training brigade called the Boy Scouts to prepare British youth for discipline and struggle in WWI, just as FDR created the CCC [Civilian Conservation Corps] to inculate USAnian men in the structure and rigor necessary to become armed forces in WWII. Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts are placed in strictly hierarchical organizations, closely trained in tracking/backcountry/ survivalist skills, then infiltrated into leadership positions in civilian society. The Girl Guides [in British lands] and Girl Scouts [in the US] and similar units such as Camp Fire Girls, are obviously the women's auxiliary to the male-only Boy Scout cadres, programmed to be supportive of the Good Old Boys, and to provide leadership in their gender roles. Bob Dole was an Eagle Scout; Elizabeth Dole was a Girl Scout. The Doles exemplify Baden-Powell's scheme to control all nations on Earth, stooges for British imperialism, tools of MI5. As for Smoky Bear: consider that Smoky Bear Nat'l Monument is in Lincoln County, New Mexico, also known as Billy-The-Kid country, scene of the Lincoln County War, an insurrection of plebeian dirt- farmers against feudal/aristocratic cattle barons. Smoky represents not only the Ranger/Forester paramilitaries that patrol our Federal lands, but also the forces of order used to suppress insurrection. The Bear is armed; the Bear will stamp out the flames of revolt; the Bear will devour you; the Girl Scouts will clean up afterwards. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Girl Scouts
-Caveat Lector- You find the origin in the Scouts under Hitler in Deuteronomy where you turn in your father, your mother, your sister, or your brother if the doctrine is out of line with the thinking of the mentorsthis was how and where Hitler got thie idea, or at least that is what I alwys thought. Nazi Germany kids were taught to turn in their parents ... or anyone else who opposed them. Like any secret society especially if international order, it depends on the leader of the band. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: too cool....
-Caveat Lector- Can someone explain the constitutionality of this for me ? It seems to me that: - If the federal authorities have a constitutional right to exercise their powers in the state, then the powers of the Sheriff are not relevant. Accordingly, there would be no reason to consult him. - Presumably, whenever a federal powers attempts to act they would suggest their actions are constitutional (even if they are not). - Ipso facto, there is no reason to consult the sheriff. Can someone explain if and where this analysis is wrong ? Finally, isn't it the job of the courts (rather than state employees) to determine the cosntitutionality of a federal authorities actions ? Regards Paul -Original Message- From: Troy Griggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, 14 March 1999 12:38 Subject: [CTRL] FW: too cool -Caveat Lector- -- From: Dan Syes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Troy Griggs [EMAIL PROTECTED], Subject: too cool Date: Sat, Mar 13, 1999, 11:46 AM Wyoming Sheriff Kicks Feds Out Of His County From Rich Kuchinsky ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) From The Jubilee Newspaper Vol.9, No.6 3-9-99 Sheriff Dave Mattis of Big Horn County, Wyoming, said this week that as a result of Case #96-CV099-J, U.S. District Court, District of Wyoming, he how has a written policy that forbids federal officials from entering his county and exercising authority over county residents unless he is notified first of their intentions. After explaining their mission, Mattis said he grants them permission to proceed if he is convinced they are operating within the legal parameters and authority limitations set forth in the U.S. Constitution. The sheriff grants permission on a case-by-case basis only. When asked what, if any, repercussions he had gotten from the Feds, he quickly and confidently replied, "None whatsoever." He explained by saying, "They know they do not have jurisdiction in my county unless I grant it to them." Mattis clarified his position by saying the federal court had ruled then state of Wyoming is a sovereign state and the state constitution plainly states that a county sheriff is the top law enforcement official in the county. Additionally, Sheriff Mattis contends that the U.S. Constitution, Article 1, Section 8, clearly defines the geographic territories where the federal government has jurisdiction. Amendment X, he said, states that "the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Therefore, Mattis thoroughly believes the Feds have very limited powers in any state unless the local high-sheriff allows them to exercise power beyond that which the Constitution provides. "Put another way," Mattis said, "if the sheriff doesn't want the Feds in his county, he has the constitutional power and right to keep them out or ask them to leave." Accompanied with other legal interpretations Mattis stands on the definition of the world "sovereign," which is defined by Webster's as "paramount, supreme. Having supreme rank or power. Independent: a sovereign State." Mattis said he grew weary of the Feds coming into his county and running rough-shod over county residents: i.e., illegally searching, seizing property, confiscating bank accounts, restricting the free use of private lands and other abuses, without a valid warrant and without first following due process of law as guaranteed by the Constitution to every citizen. As long as Mattis remains sheriff he says he will continue to see to it that the citizens of his county get their day in court. Mattis went on to say that, to his knowledge, even the IRS has not attempted to seize any citizen's real property, bank account or any other private-owned possessions since he ran the Feds out of his county. Sheriff Mattis emphasized that he is not a radical man. He said he is only dedicated to protecting the constitutional rights of the citizens of
Re: [CTRL] FW: too cool....
-Caveat Lector- Read the Declaration of Independence in particular, but the quartering troops, etc. It seems to me that the military gets out of line some times, and attempts to run the President.the President is the Commander in Chief. The Sheriff of the local counties is elected and the feds - they can only be called in during emergency at the request of the Govenors.if pertaining to university areas, in particular. Regardless, We, the people - anyone with such horrific power has to answer ultimately to the people.through their ELECTED officials from the President, to the Governor, to the local elected chief law enforcement officials.and that puts the Mayo over the Police.this, is true system of checks and balances from the top of my head, which is getting pretty forgetful. In other words we do not live in a military dictatorship, and this list is the best thing to happen to this country in my opinion in the last 200 years. I love reading the experts when they finally get in the real stuff DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] TribLIVE - Scaife-obsessed man sought him, but took own life - March 14, 1999 (
Title: TribLIVE - Scaife-obsessed man sought him, but took own life - March 14, 1999 Back to Headlines... Regional News - March 14, 1999 Scaife-obsessed man sought him, but took own lifeBy Richard GazarikTRIBUNE-REVIEW Last month, Steve Kangas of Las Vegas bought a 9mm pistol, a bottle of Jack Daniel's whiskey and a bus ticket to Pittsburgh. It would be a one-way trip. Almost immediately after arriving on Feb. 8, Kangas went to One Oxford Centre. He walked around inside the towering office complex for a time, then hid out in a public restroom on the 39th floor. Nine hours later, drunk to the point of incoherence, Kangas shot and killed himself in the restroom - on the same floor as the offices of Richard M. Scaife, the publisher of the Tribune-Review and a nationally known backer of conservative causes. The location was no accident. Kangas, 37, was obsessed with Scaife's politics; apparently he traveled to Pittsburgh to confront, and possibly to kill, the man he believed to be evil incarnate. And he came close to completing whatever bizarre mission he was on. Scaife was in his office for much of the afternoon, but he never ran into Kangas. Late that night, Kangas turned the gun on himself moments after a maintenance worker found him semi-conscious in the men's room, according to a police report. He was carrying a box of ammunition when he died. The pistol was brand new; he had obtained a permit for it shortly before leaving Nevada. The Allegheny County Coroner's Office ruled the death a suicide. Six days before he died, Kangas posted a message with an Internet discussion group blaming Scaife for all of President Clinton's legal troubles. Clinton is, in my mind, a moderate Republican, and it is only the insanity of Richard Mellon Scaife that is causing them to go after this man, Kangas wrote. Scaife has been a frequent target of the left during Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr's investigation of Clinton. The White House, other Democrats and some liberal media have accused Scaife of being the financial force behind what Hillary Clinton called the vast right-wing conspiracy to remove Clinton from office. Unfortunately, Kangas bought into it all. On his World Wide Web site, which he titled Liberalism Resurgent, Kangas wrote that Scaife and other wealthy conservatives are the overclass, and he accused Scaife of having connections to the Central Intelligence Agency. He called the conservative movement a smooth flowing organization of advocacy groups, lobbyists, think tanks, conservative foundations, and PR firms that hurtled the richest one percent into the stratosphere. The origins of this machine, interestingly enough, can be traced back to the CIA, Kangas wrote. Scaife wasn't the only target of Kangas' scorn. His writings were also critical of The Washington Post and its publisher, Katharine Graham, former editor Ben Bradlee and Deputy Managing Editor Bob Woodward. Even the Knights of Malta and various foundations not linked to Scaife came under attack. Kangas also considered Arthur Hays Sulzberger, publisher of The New York Times, part of the CIA-directed conspiracy. Kangas was himself a former intelligence agent, according to his Web site. A Russian linguist, he served in the U.S. Army in Berlin during the 1980s electronically intercepting and translating communication traffic of East bloc military units. Journalism is the perfect cover for CIA agents, he wrote in one of many lengthy diatribes against the right. He believed that the news media provided the perfect cover to write anti-communist, pro-capitalist propaganda when needed. He included Scaife in that group, he wrote, because Scaife's father, Alan, served in the Office of Strategic Services during World War II. The OSS was the forerunner of the CIA. Kangas' writings conveyed a sense of frustration. He tried unsuccessfully to
Re: [CTRL] TribLIVE - Scaife-obsessed man sought him, but took own life - March 14, 1999 (
-Caveat Lector- All the Mellon heirs are CIA - and I always thought when the big one left Treasurery as Secretary of same, he took a few plates with him. Senator Warner while married to Elizabeth Taylor-Hilton-Wilding-Todd-Fisher-Burton, etc., etc., etc., lived on the "Mellon Farm". I remember Buddist monks used to set themselves on fire in protest; perhaps this was this gentleman's way of getting attention to what is really wrong with this country. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CIA awards Inhumanitarian medal ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 3/14/99 12:52:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I lived a block away from Gottleib's CIA "safe house" on Telegraph Hill in SF. At the time (1961) I was nine years old. This was the notorious MK-ULTRA LSD- whore house where unsuspecting business johns were dosed unknowingly and submitted to God knows what kind of psycho terror by another fine piece of spook excrement, Col. Ed White. When I saw Gottleib's obit in the NY Times the other day, I was in a bar with some friends. I immediately bought my two friends a drink and made a toast -- "Here's to one of the worst pieces of human excrement that's ever graced that toilet we call the CIA. May he burn in hell." Yes, I read it too, and I think this guy must have thought l8 months in a Leper Colony would expiate all his sins against his fellows. He was choice. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] D. C. Williams Free Energy
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:05:48 -0800, David Crockett Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My first exposure to physical evidence on this topic of free energy devices began in summer 1979 witnessing the first proof-of-concept test results of Bruce DePalma's n-Machine in Santa Barbara, a brilliant (some also thought arrogant) former Polaroid senior scientist. He passed away 18months ago but his research results and philoshophical positions may be found at http://www.depalma.pair.com. I am very interested. I wish you had said that in your first message! I am familar with various "N" machines (Trombly/Kahn, Tom Valone, Raymond Kromrey, Lawrence Jamison, etc.), and I know of DePalma's Sunburst Homopolar Generator. I have a very informative paper by Robert Kincheloe (formerly of Stanford) on DePalma's Generator. I would be excited to glean all you know and have seen on the subject. Is the Sunburst Homopolar Generator the device you witnessed? Does it perform according to claims? Please elaborate. HOFFA DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Joseph Newman-Suppressed Electromagnetic Technology
-Caveat Lector- Joseph Newman by Gavin Phillips As I said earlier regarding the AE program on 'Conspiracies', the most interesting segment was on the electro-magnet machine made by Joseph Newman. As it says in this article, over 30 scientists have testified that it works. Once again you have the myopia of mainstream science saying it's impossible for it to do what Newman says it can do, which is to produce more energy than is put into it, because this contravenes a supposedly immutable law of science.Of course many things were previously thought to be impossible which later turned out to be achievable. This is atypical of the type of tunnel vision and lack of curiosity which is all-pervasive in mainstream "science". This view was was epitomised by one "scientist" for the patent office who said, parahprasing, he knew the machine couldn't work because it contradicted a known law of science. But this establishment drone's curiosity wasn't piqued in the slightest to even visit Newman to see for himself. These people are so full of their own intellectual arrogance and self importance that to even consider something outside the status quo is akin to accepting witchcraft. They have totally lost sight of the fact that sciences job is to INVESTIGATE. As Emmerson said, "Condmenation without investigation is the height of ignorance." Gavin. , D.C. 20510 Dear Congressman/Senator _ As your constituent, I am very concerned over the treatment by our Executive and Judicial Branches of government regarding inventor Joseph Newman. Over a period of more than two decades, Joseph Newman has sought to bring forth a new electromagnetic technology which will revolutionize our access to energy and provide all Americans with the opportunity to use inexpensive and abundant energy alternatives. As our legislative branch of Government, Congress retains the original power to grant patent protection to inventors, a power which Congress normally assigns to the Patent and Trademark Office (executive branch). But just as the Patent Office refused to issue a patent to the Wright Brothers and fought against these courageous inventors for many years, the Patent Office has also failed in its duty with respect to inventor Joseph Newman to provide him with constitutionally-mandated patent protection for a limited period of time. Although Joseph Newman sought relief in the judicial branch of government, he was denied relief by a federal judge who even ignored the findings of his own Special Master and Technical-to-the-Court (and former U.S. Commissioner of the Patent Office) who stated that the evidence was overwhelming that Joseph Newman's energy machine worked. Even a test of one of Joseph Newman's prototypes conducted by the National Bureau of Standards was incompetently- performed under questionable circumstances by an agency which even admitted its bias against the new technology _before_ any testing was conducted. Over the years, more than 30 scientists have signed legal Affidavits attesting to the successful operability of Joseph Newman's technology. In effect, the executive and judicial branches of government have personally cost Joseph Newman hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees, administrative expenses, bureaucratic red tape, etc. And these branches may have cost the American taxpayer the opportunity to have access to a revolutionary source of inexpensive, abundant energy -- a savings which would represent billions of dollars in energy costs for all American citizens. In an earlier session of Congress, eleven different U.S. Congressmen (both Democrats and Republicans) introduced eleven different Private Relief Bills designed to circumvent the above-described injustice and issue Joseph Newman a Pioneering Patent for his technology. The wording in the Private Relief Bills was identical and read as follows: "A BILL For the relief of Joseph W. Newman. "Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the Secretary of Commerce, acting through the Commissioner of Patents and Trademarks, is authorized and directed to immediately issue a pioneer patent to Joseph W. Newman for the invention described in the patent application numbered 179,474 and filed in August 1980. Such patent shall be accorded rights equal to the rights accorded to patents issued title 35, United States Code." During that Session of Congress all eleven Democratic and Republic Congressmen pressured then-Congressman Robert Kastenmeier to hold hearings on the Private Relief Bills. Congressman Kastenmeier refused to hold such hearings on the grounds that litigation was still pending in the Courts and Congressional action would be premature. Kastenmeier, who later lost his seat in Congress after over 30 years, never acted on the Private Relief Bills and they died in that Session of Congress. His excuse for inaction is no longer valid since such litigation is no
[CTRL] Newman 1/2
-Caveat Lector- Here's what I think as well as a word from Mr Newman and a few words about Mr Newman. I "got into" the alternative and supressed technologies a while back and eventually progressed into the "conspiracy guy" that I am today. I looked at many claims of the elusive perpetual motion machine. I also realized, very quickly, that these type of inventions threaten to take away a ton of money from the established energy corporations. I found it very easy to beleive that if these technologies existed and worked that they would be "buried" by those who really run the world. (or should I say "milk" the world). Most of these free energy machines aren't. This makes them no less miraculous. Most of these free energy machines get thier power boost from an otherwise ignored external source. The Earth! The use of the earth's magnetic and/or gravitational field(s) to "add" energy into a "closed" system is what makes most of these things work...and yet still preserve our sacred laws of physics. (except for the ones that maintain there is no energy in space/vacuum/ether) I beleive the "milkers" have all sorts of toys based on these technologies. I'm sure their underground bases are accessed via anti-grav elevators and powered by generators that never lose energy. 'Course I beleive a lot with no evidence. Anyways... here's some stuff on Newman. (Sorry 'bout the margines) -Peter Keddie From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Mar 17 22:15:52 1996 Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-f.it.earthlink.net) by HOFFMAN.RSTNU.BCM.TMC.EDU (AA15501); Sun, 17 Mar 1996 16:37:18 -0600 Received: from [153.37.129.58] (pool058.Max1.New-Orleans.LA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.129.58]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA02419; Sun, 17 Mar 1996 14:15:52 -0800 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 14:15:52 -0800 Message-Id: v01530502ad71eb0fcf3a@[153.37.129.39] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Evan Soule) Subject: STATEMENT FROM JOSEPH NEWMAN REGARDING HIS PIONEERING ENERGY INVENTION Status: RO STATEMENT FROM JOSEPH NEWMAN REGARDING HIS PIONEERING ENERGY INVENTION An internationally-recognized scientific journal (The Journal of Applied Physics, June 1, 1995, Vol. 77, No. 11, pgs. 6015-6020) and the United States Patent Office have, through their actions, proven that my life's work is correct! The article from The Journal of Applied Physics is entitled "Increased Voltage Phenomena in a Resonance Circuit of Unconventional Magnetic Configurations." The article describes that, by taking a charged capacitor and putting electricity into coils of wire with a ferromagnetic core between them, results in: "AN INCREASE IN THE AVERAGE CURRENT AND RECHARGE VOLTAGE" (Emphasis added.) This article specifically states that prior knowledge would predict: "It is expected that the total recharge VOLTAGE will DECREASE because this system produces mechanical output as the core moves." (Emphasis added.) This is EXACTLY what I have been stating in my Patent Applications (since 1979), in my book, The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman (published in 1984), on the Internet as well as on hundreds of radio talk shows, TV shows, and in thousands of newspapers/magazines across the world for the past 15 years. If you doubt me, then read the above-described article for yourself and you will see that it proves EVERYTHING I have been saying and writing for years! Additionally, the article from The Journal of Applied Physics describes their results as "increased voltage PHENOMENON," which means they don't understand it! And totally contrary to their lack of understanding on this subject, I have provided for many years a consistent Mechanical Explanation of the energy of magnetic fields: "Gyroscopic Particles making up the magnetic fields coming from the ATOMS of the coil or coils and magnetic core are the MECHANICAL ESSENCE OF EINSTEIN'S EQUATION OF E=mc(squared)." Within two months of the date of publication (June 1, 1995) of the above-described article, U.S. Patent 5,436,518 was granted to Terou Kawai of Japan and assigned to Nihon Riken Co., Ltd. and Terou Kawai, both of Japan; the patent describes an electrical motor with wire and magnets having 318% mechanical output/electrical input. This technology is exactly what I have taught in my book, published in 1984, and as taught in my U.S. Patent Application since 1979 which is still actively pending via additional improvements. FACT: Based upon the United States Patent Office's treatment afforded me, the Japanese patent office turned down my Patent Application since they rejected my 1979 claims of "greater external energy out than external energy in." Yet, United States Patent 5,436,518 in paragraph 5 of column 8 specifically states 19.55 watts in and 62.16 watts OUT! [Note: By their actions, the United States government is criminally providing
[CTRL] Newman 2/2
-Caveat Lector- Source : SCIENCE, 16 Nov. 1984, p. 817 Title: An Endless Siege of Implausible Inventions Author : R. Jeffrey Smith In the modern world of commerce, the U.S. patent and trademark office is a street-corner cop with the power to arrest de development of any product that promises the impossible. Its book of statutes contains the basic laws of physics, the axioms of mathematics, the fundamental principles of mechanical engineering. With paticular enthusiasm, its employees serve as guardians of the public in a never-ending battle against mechanical devices allegedly capeable of perpetual motion. This, at least, is how they see themselves. Invetors such as Joseph Newman are more apt to view them sa "a bunch of narrow-minded people who have conducted themselves outside the federal law and the human race." For more than 5 years, Newman, 48, has been frustrated in his efforts to obtain a patent for an "Energy System Having Higher Output Than Input." In 1982, the patant office told him that because such a devive is simply infeasible, his application was denied after something less than a comprehensive, time-consuming review (Science, 10 Ferbruary [1984], p. 571). Recently, however, with the help of some unexpected scientific endorsements, Newman persuaded th U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., to order that his application be granted a full review by an examiner - in short, a second chance. Newman believes that the decision is a slap in the face for the patant office and a partial vindication of his claims. Actually, the dispute reveals how easy it can be for inventors to jerk the patant office around. The ruling, made by Judge Thomas Jackson on 31. October, places the office in the difficult position of determining whether Newman's "energy generation system" -- a powerful electric motor -- is adequately described in his application, and whether it is similar or identical to motors with existing patants. Neither topic was given serious consideration on the first go-around, for reasons the patent office believes obvious. The decision resulted from an unusual hearing in which a phalanx of attorneys in Newman's employ repeatedly cited patent case law, while Jere Sears, deputy solicitor in the patent office, repeatedly invoked the second law of thermodynamics. In its essence, that law states that the energy produced by a mechanical device such as Newman's woill always be less than the energy needed to opeate it. In addition to basing the case on "all of recorded science", as Sears put it, he relied heavily on an affidativ from Jacod Rainbow, a former chief research engineer at the National Bureau of Standards and well-known debunker of perpetual motion machines. Rainbow has several objections to the patent application, but his primary claim is that the motor's output of energy has been measured incorrectly. Although he has not seen the device or tested himself, he is willing to bet "any money" that it operates at well under 100 percent efiicency. As strong as the gouverment's argument was, it was sharply undercut by two affidatives. One was written by Mort Zimmerman, the president of Commercial Technology, Inc., in Dallas. Zimmerman said his 400-person firm "has independently ... constructed, operated, and tested several crud prototype devices based on th Newman invention, and has confirmed for itself that these prototype devices which embody the Newman invention operate and produce power as claimed by Newman" at more than 111 percent efficiency. Zimmerman was enthusiastic enough to purchase an option for the right to manufacture and sell Newman's motor in north Texas. (Recently, he told SCIENCE that the motor "needs further development for prctical utilization, and we're not completely convinced that we can get there.") The second affidativ was prepared from Lawrence E. Wharton, a physicist in the Laboratory For Atmospheric Sciences at the Goddart Flight Space Center in Maryland. Initially, Wharton, who volunteered his services to the patent office as a sceptic of Newman's claims, vigorously attacked Zimmerman's statement. Shortly before the court hearing, however, he recanted some of his arguments, and declared that the motor's efficiency "is in substantial excess of 100 percent" and perhaps as high as 600 percent, if Newman's measurements are correct. The change of heart came, he said, after Newman argued with him in a long telephone conversation. Both of these statements apparently made a strong impression on William Schuyler, an attorney and one-time commissioner of U.S. patents who was appointed by the judge as a "special master" to help resolve some of the technical disputes. In his report, Schuyler agreed that the operation of Newman's motor
[CTRL] Newman's Book
-Caveat Lector- I just checked Amazon.com and Newman's book is available at a very high price, $79.99. Also some reviews. Gavin. The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: Important Knowledge for Humanity for the year 2000! 8th edition by Joseph Westley Newman, Evan R. Soule DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] ALERT! URGENT: CONTACT YOUR SENATORS FOR NATIONALMISSILEDEFENSE SYSTEM
-Caveat Lector- LOL! No one is being paid by anyone --at least not on this end. It's a genuine concern on the part of many Americans, including myself, to protect the U.S. from any rogue missile attack. It's also important to protect the U.S. from terrorist attacks other than the missile-type. And, from what I understand, an SDI-type defense would handle SCUD attacks as well. Ric Carter wrote: -Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: A.C. Szul [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---URGENT ALERT! ALERT! URGENT ALERT! ALERT! CONTACT YOUR SENATORS/CO-SPONSORS LISTED BELOW AND VOICE YOUR SUPPORT FOR A U.S. MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEM (SEE http://www.senate.gov/ FOR E-MAIL, FAX AND PHONE). So nobody will be dumb enough to lob ballistic missiles at the US, which would then incinerate the offending nation. Smart opponents would put their warheads into ships or trucks for safe delivery, or launch balloons or Scuds from just offshore, or otherwise make sure that we don't have a good target for our very very very very expensive Star Wars hardware to shoot at. Can you say, "suitcase nuke"? Star Wars is a solution in search of a problem; it's full employment for military contractors, the fattest barrel of pork to roll down the pike in quite a while, and it just won't work. Feh! Ric "if you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail" Carter PS: It'd be interesting to see who's paying "A.C.Szul" to push this particular line of propaganda/pandering. Who does he work for? What does he get out of this? In fact, what's the REAL reason that ANYONE is supporting this dumb-ass idea? Even Clinton's for it. Yow. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --snip Regards, -A http://www.erols.com/mack97 "The sharpest tool in the shed." -- anonymous DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Worked to Death?
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 13 Mar 1999, Anon Ymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember as a youth being told how the 40 hour work week was such an enlightened accomplishment, and that as technology "made life easier" that even less time would be required to earn a living. Hasn't quite worked out that way has it? The 40-hour work week was a major goal of the organized labor movement... as was the elimination of child labor. Wonder if the newly-employed 9 year olds will be eligible for union membership, or if they'll be employed in non-union businesses...? June *===* Part of me will always be with you, part of you is growing in me It's just the way we happen to be... We don't know how to love, Love without fear. --Yoko Ono, "Even When You're Far Away" *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: The World's Bullies]
^^ ClubuLuLu's LuLuZoo : Occult Millennium Party - No Lurkers Allowed ^^ Universal Press Syndicate, by Richard Reeves, 13 March 1999 * John Kennedy once asked Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru, "What do you think of the idea of our Peace Corps?" It was a good plan, Mr. Nehru answered. Young Americans could learn a lot from Indian villagers, he said. The American wasn't amused; he thought the Indian was arrogant. But Mr. Nehru was right, and the arrogance was ours. The major impact of sending tens of thousands of Americans abroad during the past 35 years has been to create an alumni corps who have a feel for the world and America's role in far places. Unfortunately, there aren't enough of them, and there seem to be fewer each year. I don't mean Peace Corps Volunteers. I mean fewer Americans capable of or interested in seeing the world as others see it - or in seeing ourselves as others see us. American government, businesses and news organizations are sending fewer and fewer people abroad. Some of that is plain and simple economics. Sending people to other countries costs more than hiring locals. So why should we leave the comforts of home when we can run the global economy, or digitally connected planet, from Washington and New York? Ameria is on a roll. But America also is losing it. Those statements may seem contradictory, but I don't think they are. The United States now is the most powerful country in the history of the world, dictating political, economic and military terms to other countries whenever it suits our purposes. [HONS Comment : There have been other reports on the news recently about the wealth of America relative to that of the Roman Empire and the British Empire. America is much richer per capita than Rome ever was, and it is now estimated to be five times richer per capita than Britain at the height of her power, when the Sun never set on the British Empire.] And because of the power and reach of our popular culture, nearly everyone in the world knows a great deal about us, whether or not we even know they exist. But in the oldest of stories, the more power we accumulate, the less judicious or careful we seem to be in using it. How do we look to an ordinary Italian? A U.S. Marine Corps jet plane, based on Italian soil, flies into a valley on a clear day at 621 mph, more than 100 mph over its mandated limit, at an altitude of less than 400 feet, which is 1,600 feet below its flight-plan limit, and strikes the cable of a ski gondola that has been strung across the valley for more than 30 years. Twenty people in the cable car, all Europeans, plunge to their deaths. Is it what used to be called "Blame America First" to be shocked or outraged when the Marines find the pilot did nothing wrong? I mean, even the commander in chief, President Clinton, said he was "baffled" by the Marine verdict. How do we look to an ordinary Scot, who works in a factory making cashmere sweaters? The Unites States is putting tariffs of more than 100 percent on such products because Europeans aren't buying enough American bananas. Oh, you thought Americans don't grow bananas? We don't - except for a few bunches in Hawaii. But the U.S. government is charging the governments of Great Britain and France with rigging trade rules to buy bananas from their onetime Caribbean colonies rather than from American-owned companies in Central America. Is this fight necessary? That is to say nothing about how we look to ordinary Iraqis as the bombs fall and the missiles fly day after day, because our planes are flying over their country and, we say, their air-defense radars are locking on those planes. We don't like your leader, so we bomb you. What will ordiunary Serbs say when the Yanks and their friends march in as part of our make-peace-or-we'll-kill-you foreign policy? I am not saying we are wrong in all or any of those situations - although it should be noted that the U.S. system of military justice hasn't seemed capable of finding anybody guilty of anything in recent incidents. We are throwing our weight around these days because we have the power, and the ignorance, to do it. But we shouldn't kid our sanctimonious selves that our illusions make what we do right or sensible. Basically, we are demanding that the world do it our way or else. If that is what being "the world's only superpower" and the world's "necessary" country is going to mean, perhaps we should learn a touch more about the lives of Indian villagers, Italian skiiers and European factory workers before we send out the commands that it is their duty to remake themselves in our image. Hyperborea Online News Service __H_O_N_S__
Re: [CTRL] ALERT! URGENT: CONTACT YOUR SENATORS FOR NATIONALMISSILEDEFENSE SYSTEM
-Caveat Lector- I still want to know, how it was possible with all this money being spent on BMEWS, Missiles, Silos, Titans, etc, etc, etc, how it was possible for a somewhat vintage plane piloted by a "truck driver" to fly a plane into Clinton's bedroom window in the midst of Ezekials Wheel? Who is kidding who.supposedly that would be impossible, like a perpetual motion machine, but it happened. What if that little vintage plane, had been carrying a Unibomber bomb, or an H Bomb. Thank you for your thoughts. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] GROWING PERIL TO U.S. SOVEREIGNTY
-Caveat Lector- GROWING PERIL TO U.S. SOVEREIGNTY by PATRICK J. BUCHANAN February 26, 1999 The sovereignty issue is roaring back. This time, our elites may not write it off as the concern only of folks on the look-out for black helicopters, or sitting on rural hillsides soaking up the thunderous oratory at God-and- Country rallies. For even centrist scholars are now breaking the glass on the fire alarms. . . Picture Up at the United Nations, the carpenters of the New World Order are busy constructing the world's first permanent war crimes tribunal. Modeled on the Nuremberg court that convicted the Nazis, the new tribunal claims jurisdiction over all nations, including the United States. Last July, America rejected the court, fearing U.S. soldiers could be prosecuted. Yet, American diplomats are beavering away alongside U.N. bureaucrats who envision the tribunal as a world court that shall sit above the claims of any and all nation-states. The sovereignty issue is roaring back. This time, our elites may not write it off as the concern only of folks on the look-out for black helicopters, or sitting on rural hillsides soaking up the thunderous oratory at God-and- Country rallies. For even centrist scholars are now breaking the glass on the fire alarms. "Why Sovereignty Matters" is the title of a paper written for the American Enterprise Institute by Jeremy Rabkin, a professor of government at Cornell, who sees global agreements as a growing and direct threat to American sovereignty. "(W)hat makes a state sovereign," Rabkin writes, "is that it need answer to no outside authority." For us, "sovereignty means the primacy of our own Constitution. The people of the United States, by their own sovereign authority, have made the Constitution supreme over the government, and no outside agreement can challenge that supremacy." Yet, both NAFTA and Al Gore's Kyoto treaty on global warming supersede our Constitution and imperil that sovereignty, putting America on the same fatal path being trod by Europe. Writes Rabkin: "(T)he Common Market ... has expanded in size and ambition to emerge as something like a federal superstate. ... The European Union has undertaken ... to remove tariff barriers ... to standardize products and services, to ensure common protections for labor and the environment, and to reallocate wealth from richer to poorer regions. In total, such 'integration' is far more ambitious than the aggregate of policies undertaken by the federal government in the United States. ... (T)he European Court of Justice claims and exercises the authority to invalidate statutory enactments of parliaments ... "No one seriously pretends," he adds, "that the member states of the EU are still sovereign in the way they once were." With Tony Blair's Britain, Europe last great holdout, preparing to surrender its currency and control of monetary policy to the new European central bank, the day of the nation-state in Europe is over. Now, the United States, too, "has begun to participate in environmental agreements, human rights agreements, trade agreements, and agreements in other areas that do raise inescapable questions about American sovereignty." Under NAFTA, private companies can appeal U.S. import duties to panels dominated by Canadians and Mexicans, whose rulings are binding on U.S. courts. Globalists have discovered the loophole in the Constitution, Article 6, which puts foreign treaties on the same plane, and are driving their one-world agenda right through it. The Kyoto Protocol, Rabkin writes, "assumes that actions of motorists in Kansas or homeowners in Minnesota can be related to 'international' concerns. ... In ratifying that treaty, the Senate would seem to be ratifying in advance a whole series of future policies that may never return to the Senate for its consent." If Americans are not to lose their constitutional rights and the United States. its sovereignty to "global governance," there is a need for the eternal vigilance that is the price of liberty, and more than that. "Congress must come to grips with the threatened erosion of U.S. sovereignty in the very near future," writes Rabkin. We need both "new protective legislation against international bureaucratic mandates," and "a formal amendment to the Constitution to clarify and reinforce traditional limitations." America needs an amendment that declares that no treaty we enter into is above the Constitution, and that above the sovereignty of the nation stands the sovereignty of God alone. Here is an issue to rally Republicans, conservatives and populists, leaving out only those whose hidden agenda is Strobe Talbott's World Government. Jefferson wrote: "Our peculiar security is in possession of a written Constitution. Let us not make it a blank paper by construction. I say the same as to the
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Organized Child Sexual Assault Case
-Caveat Lector- The younger girl's father committed suicide in 1997 after being questioned about molesting his stepdaughter and daughter. The father of the older girl has been convicted of raping her and is in prison. So the mother married TWO men who are pedophiles...one DOES have to wonder where HER mind/morals are I'm sure the defense will claim the mother was sexually abused as a child herself, and perhaps she was...BUT THAT IS NO EXCUSE TO ALLOW THE SAME THING TO BE PERPETRATED ON ONE'S OWN CHILDREN! The 13-year-old girl testified that she was forced to have sexual relations with a landlord about once a week. "It's how we paid the rent," she said. Gee, not only does Mom find two men to marry who will molest her daughters, but also conveniently found a landlord with no moral convictions, either... The defense is hoping to convince the jury that social workers and/or foster parents - possibly unintentionally - put ideas into the children's minds that led them to make up tales of abuse. But that would require us to believe a 13-year old girl can't tell the difference between fantasy and fact... June *===* Part of me will always be with you, part of you is growing in me It's just the way we happen to be... We don't know how to love, Love without fear. --Yoko Ono, "Even When You're Far Away" *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Pentagon said Chinese spying at a U.S. nuclear llaboratory will not alter plans
-Caveat Lector- By Bill Gertz THE WASHINGTON TIMES Picture: The Pentagon said Thursday that disclosures about Chinese spying at a U.S. nuclear laboratory will not alter plans to bring a group of People's Liberation Army officers to a similar laboratory in New Mexico this year. "At this point, I know of no plan to cut back on our military-to-military contacts," said Pentagon spokesman Capt. Michael Doubleday. In Antigua, Guatemala, President Clinton Thursday denied charges by congressional Republicans that his administration ignored Chinese espionage at Los Alamos National Laboratory, where U.S. nuclear-warhead secrets leaked to Beijing's agents in the 1980s. "We did not ignore evidence," Mr. Clinton said during the last day of a visit to Central America. "Quite the contrary, we acted on it. I think the record is that we acted aggressively." According to an internal Pentagon plan released to The Washington Times last month, the Pentagon will hold more than 80 activities this year with PLA officials, including high-level visits to China by Defense Secretary William S. Cohen and Marine Corps Commandant Gen. Charles Krulak. As part of the exchanges, the Pentagon plans to bring a group of PLA officers to Sandia National Laboratory in New Mexico. A document outlining the "game plan" for the exchanges states that a PLA -- Continued from Front Page -- delegation will attend a "workshop" in October or November at Sandia, where a "cooperative monitoring center" is located. Chinese intelligence operations at nearby Los Alamos National Laboratory in the 1980s led to the loss of U.S. nuclear secrets. On Monday, Energy Secretary Bill Richardson fired Wen Ho Lee, a longtime Los Alamos employee suspected of providing design information on this country's most advanced nuclear warhead to China. He has not been charged. Capt. Doubleday said he knows of "no thought that is being given to curtailing" the exchanges as a result of the case. Capt. Doubleday said it is to "our advantage" to maintain contacts with the Chinese military as part of the Clinton administration's conciliatory "engagement" policy, "even in the face of some of these alleged incidents." Asked if the Chinese military gains from the exchanges, Capt. Doubleday said: "I think that although there may be some benefits to the Chinese, our overall view is that any information that we share with the Chinese is information that is not detrimental to the United States." Col. Richard Bridges, another Pentagon spokesman, said later that the PLA visit to Sandia is still "on the table." However, planning for the visit is still being worked out, he said. Al Santoli, an aide to Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, California Republican, who specializes in Chinese affairs, said the Pentagon's consideration of the Sandia visit in light of Chinese actions is "unconscionable." "They should cancel it as a message to the Chinese military that any type of military cooperation should include their scaling back on aggressive acquisition, especially through espionage, of our military technology," Mr. Santoli said in an interview. Mr. Santoli said Sandia is where the most important nuclear-weapons research takes place, and canceling the PLA visit there would be a sign that the United States will not tolerate nuclear spying. Republicans in Congress have expressed anger over what they say were efforts by the Clinton administration to hide the Chinese spying from Congress. Two Republican presidential candidates also called for White House National Security Adviser Samuel R. Berger to be fired for his handling of the case. "I believe the record is clear that we did respond in an appropriate way," Mr. Clinton said. The president also rejected calls for Mr. Berger to resign. The president defended his China policy from critics, who say engagement has undermined U.S. national security, first from improper satellite technology that boosted Chinese missiles, and also from earlier thefts of nuclear-warhead design data. As for the spying at U.S. weapons labs, "We have investigated it, and we continue to investigate it," Mr. Clinton said. "We have dramatically increased our counterintelligence. I believe we have taken all appropriate steps. I do not believe that that evidence justifies an isolated, no-contact relationship with China," he said. At the Justice Department, Deputy Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said Thursday the administration was not slow in responding to the spying accusations and that the inquiry was given the "highest priority." He also denied that political considerations delayed the probe. "The Justice Department and the CIA are conducting investigations into events that allegedly took place at nuclear-weapons facilities during the '80s," he said. "We have fully and regularly informed the appropriate parts of
Re: [CTRL] ALERT! URGENT: CONTACT YOUR SENATORS FORNATIONALMISSILEDEFENSE SYSTEM
-Caveat Lector- Colleen, that's a good question. On notion being thrown around is that while the plane had been identified, and could have been shot down but was intentionally not (why, I don't know), it _had_ been "scanned" for nuclear baggage. Since there was no nuclear threat posed, it was not shot down but "allowed" to slam into the outside WH wall, with no threat to anyone, of course, that silly 'ole pilot. Colleen Jones wrote: -Caveat Lector- I still want to know, how it was possible with all this money being spent on BMEWS, Missiles, Silos, Titans, etc, etc, etc, how it was possible for a somewhat vintage plane piloted by a "truck driver" to fly a plane into Clinton's bedroom window in the midst of Ezekials Wheel? Who is kidding who.supposedly that would be impossible, like a perpetual motion machine, but it happened. What if that little vintage plane, had been carrying a Unibomber bomb, or an H Bomb. Thank you for your thoughts. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- -snip Regards, -A http://www.erols.com/mack97 "The sharpest tool in the shed." -- anonymous DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pentagon said Chinese spying at a U.S. nuclear llaboratory will not alter plans
-Caveat Lector- Well, perhaps this is for the best. Let China put out all the money to watchdog Russsian (no offense to the dog) an Russian watchdog Chinaand maybe we can get some rest. No doubt we have something much worse to render, if it gets to germ warfare. Our minutemen missiles symbolize the Minutemen of old, who is a minute would beat their ploughs into swordsNixon had the bible open to a passage, they sahll beat their swords into ploughshares. With everybody spying upon everybody else, livingn in fear, pehaps we can buld up our defense - tht is the name of the game - remembering that government was designed as a service to the people in the great condominium - and if you want out, remember what Sherman did to Georgia. Well, anyway Hail to the Chief - he is our president and he answers to us. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Scaife-obsessed man sought him, but took own life
Anyone on this list associated with this guy? Obviously Kangas was very intelligent and no ordinary guy. His words even sounded a lot like Chris Olsson's.With Susan McDougal on the hot seat on trial, with hand written checks recovered that say "Pay-off Bill", now the Clintonistas are trying to play hard ball. I am realizing that after all these years, I still get hate mail on TWA 800. This isn't funny. Best Regards, Marshall Houston Portland, Oregon http://www.triblive.com/news/rkan0314.html Regional News - March 14, 1999 Scaife-obsessed man sought him, but took own life By Richard Gazarik TRIBUNE-REVIEW Last month, Steve Kangas of Las Vegas bought a 9mm pistol, a bottle of Jack Daniel's whiskey and a bus ticket to Pittsburgh. It would be a one-way trip. Almost immediately after arriving on Feb. 8, Kangas went to One Oxford Centre. He walked around inside the towering office complex for a time, then hid out in a public restroom on the 39th floor. Nine hours later, drunk to the point of incoherence, Kangas shot and killed himself in the restroom - on the same floor as the offices of Richard M. Scaife, the publisher of the Tribune-Review and a nationally known backer of conservative causes. The location was no accident. Kangas, 37, was obsessed with Scaife's politics; apparently he traveled to Pittsburgh to confront, and possibly to kill, the man he believed to be evil incarnate. And he came close to completing whatever bizarre mission he was on. Scaife was in his office for much of the afternoon, but he never ran into Kangas. Late that night, Kangas turned the gun on himself moments after a maintenance worker found him semi-conscious in the men's room, according to a police report. He was carrying a box of ammunition when he died. The pistol was brand new; he had obtained a permit for it shortly before leaving Nevada. The Allegheny County Coroner's Office ruled the death a suicide. Six days before he died, Kangas posted a message with an Internet discussion group blaming Scaife for all of President Clinton's legal troubles. "Clinton is, in my mind, a moderate Republican, and it is only the insanity of Richard Mellon Scaife that is causing them to go after this man," Kangas wrote. Scaife has been a frequent target of the left during Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr's investigation of Clinton. The White House, other Democrats and some liberal media have accused Scaife of being the financial force behind what Hillary Clinton called the "vast right-wing conspiracy" to remove Clinton from office. Unfortunately, Kangas bought into it all. On his World Wide Web site, which he titled "Liberalism Resurgent," Kangas wrote that Scaife and other wealthy conservatives are the "overclass," and he accused Scaife of having connections to the Central Intelligence Agency. He called the conservative movement "a smooth flowing organization of advocacy groups, lobbyists, think tanks, conservative foundations, and PR firms that hurtled the richest one percent into the stratosphere. "The origins of this machine, interestingly enough, can be traced back to the CIA," Kangas wrote. Scaife wasn't the only target of Kangas' scorn. His writings were also critical of The Washington Post and its publisher, Katharine Graham, former editor Ben Bradlee and Deputy Managing Editor Bob Woodward. Even the Knights of Malta and various foundations not linked to Scaife came under attack. Kangas also considered Arthur Hays Sulzberger, publisher of The New York Times, part of the CIA-directed conspiracy. Kangas was himself a former intelligence agent, according to his Web site. A Russian linguist, he served in the U.S. Army in Berlin during the 1980s electronically intercepting and translating communication traffic of East bloc military units. "Journalism is the perfect cover for CIA agents," he wrote in one of many lengthy diatribes against the right. He believed that the news media provided the perfect cover to "write anti-communist, pro-capitalist propaganda when needed." He included Scaife in that group, he wrote, because Scaife's father, Alan, served in the Office of Strategic Services during World War II. The OSS was the forerunner of the CIA. Kangas' writings conveyed a sense of frustration. He tried unsuccessfully to raise money over the Internet in a one-man crusade called "Help Fight the Right." He was once a conservative himself. Kangas wrote that his political transformation began while he was in the Army. He honed his new liberal views in Santa Cruz, Calif., coffeehouses while earning a degree in Russian studies at the University of California. Kangas' family and friends say they knew he was troubled but had no clue that he might be homicidal or suicidal. "I was deeply concerned that he was in serious mischief," said Roger Langheet, his stepfather. "There was no reason for him to be in Pittsburgh," said his mother, Janet Langheet, who holds a doctoral degree in religious studies and lives
Re: [CTRL] ALERT! URGENT: CONTACT YOUR SENATORS FOR NATIONAL MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEM
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: A.C. Szul [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, so maybe you're not an agent. Still, the "rogue state firing ballistic missiles at the US" scenario is bogus, Star Wars can't deal with likely attacks, there are better ways to spend the money. In STAR WARS: THE SEQUEL [TIME, 22 Feb. 99] Mark Thompson writes: "A lot of experts don't believe the missile shield will work. Even if it can be made to thwart incoming ICBMs, they argue, it will be worthless against the lo-tech route that nukes or biochemical war- heads would be more likely to take. A renegade state could sneak a nuclear bomb into New York City in a truck or the hold of a freighter, or simple lob a Scud-like missile full of lethal germs into Manhattan from 20 miles offshore, neatly passing underneath the shield. Even the Joint Chiefs of Staff 'worry more about a suitcase bomb going off in one of our cities,' [Sec. of Defence William] Cohen admits. 'Very few countries are going to launch an ICBM, knowing that they are going to face virtual elimination.'" So if someone fires an ICBM at the US, whether or not Star Wars II is up and running, we'll know where it came from, and can/will fry that particular portion of geography - which is a helluva deterrant, one that's worked for the last few decades. But if we deploy a perfect Star Wars system, we're GUARANTEEING that ONLY stealth.war will be waged against the US, since no rational opponent will suicidally launch anything that will be 1) shot down and 2) traced and avenged. In fact, the only opponent that Star Wars would be useful against, is an opponent that thinks it COULD launch a successful pre-emptive strike against the US ICBM fleet if there were no ABM system. That opponent was the old USSR, and it's no longer capable of mounting such an attack, if such an attack could EVER have been launched - I'd argue that the submarine missile cruiser fleet made that an impossible dream anyway. So, Star Wars II is clearly NOT about actualy defending the US from rogue states - it's about defending military contractors from reduced income. Bother. -Original Message- From: A.C. Szul [EMAIL PROTECTED] LOL! No one is being paid by anyone --at least not on this end. It's a genuine concern on the part of many Americans, including myself, to protect the U.S. from any rogue missile attack. It's also important to protect the U.S. from terrorist attacks other than the missile-type. And, from what I understand, an SDI-type defense would handle SCUD attacks as well. Ric Carter wrote: -Original Message- From: A.C. Szul [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---URGENT ALERT! ALERT! URGENT ALERT! ALERT! CONTACT YOUR SENATORS/CO-SPONSORS LISTED BELOW AND VOICE YOUR SUPPORT FOR A U.S. MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEM (SEE http://www.senate.gov/ FOR E-MAIL, FAX AND PHONE). So nobody will be dumb enough to lob ballistic missiles at the US, which would then incinerate the offending nation. Smart opponents would put their warheads into ships or trucks for safe delivery, or launch balloons or Scuds from just offshore, or otherwise make sure that we don't have a good target for our very very very very expensive Star Wars hardware to shoot at. Can you say, "suitcase nuke"? Star Wars is a solution in search of a problem; it's full employment for military contractors, the fattest barrel of pork to roll down the pike in quite a while, and it just won't work. Feh! Ric "if you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail" Carter PS: It'd be interesting to see who's paying "A.C.Szul" to push this particular line of propaganda/pandering. Who does he work for? What does he get out of this? In fact, what's the REAL reason that ANYONE is supporting this dumb-ass idea? Even Clinton's for it. Yow. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] BONESMAN--DKE LINK REVEALED?
-Caveat Lector- from a friend - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - BONESMAN--DKE LINK REVEALED Sun Mar 14, 1999 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Skull and bones From: Dear Sir, I resent that you only think that skull and bones exist only at Yale. That is a half truth. Every member of Skull and Bones is also a member of Delta Kappa Epsilon although the reverse is not true. DKE was founded at Yale in 1844 by 15 Yale sophmores and is now on many college campuses throughout the country with such notables as Dan Quale and Gerald Ford as members. Please get your facts straight. Sincerely, Guillaume Williams, ZZ '88 = Albert C. Stevens, THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF FRATERNITIES 351-353 (1907). "Delta Kappa Epsilon. Organized on June 22, 1844, at Yale College, by William W. Atwater, Edward G. Barlett, Frederick P. Bellinger, Jr. Henry Case, George F. Chester, John B. Conyngham, Thomas I. Franklin, W. Walter Horton, William Boyd Jacohs, Edward V. Kinsley, Chester N. Righter, Elisha Bacon Shapleigh, Thomas D. Sherwood, Alfred Everett Stetson and Orson W. Stow, who had just completed their sophomore year. They had contemplated being elected members of Psi Upsilon in a body, but some of thent failing to secure an election to that junior society, the fifteen stood together and formed a new junior societv with the foregoing title, to compete with Alpha Delta Phi and Psi Upsilon, which, until then, had monopolized junior year Greek-letter soeicty interests at Yale. Delta Kappa Epsilon, or "D. K. E." as it is usually called, beat all records at extension, by placing chapters at thirty-two colleges and universities between the year it was founded and the outbreak of the war in 1861, going as far as Miami and the University of Michigan in the West and to colleges in Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi and Louisiana at the South. The southern chapters were rendered dormant by the war, and since 1866 the fraternity has been much more particular in creating branches, has made more of an effort to revive inactive chapterss than to place new ones. Its original plan did not contemplate a general fraternity, but early opportunities for new chapters presenting themselves, a plan for the propagation of "D. K. E." was organized and was carried out with a thoroughness which, owing in part to the war, reacted general standing of the society. From 1870 to date the society has built upon far better foundatiotion and with more care and skill, and ranks as the largest general college fraternity, with more than 12,000 members, nearly 10 per cent. of the total membership of the world of Greek-letter societies. The impression has always prevailed that the parent chapter of "D. K. E." exercises a dominant influence over the entire organization, but this has been denied. Certain it is that, at times, the tie between the Yale "Deke" and his fraters from other colleges is not as strong as tbat between members of different chapters of almost any other college fraternity. But this may due to the peculiar society system at Yale rather than to a peculiarity in the government or personnel of Delta Kappa Epsilon. Its Harvard chapter ran against the anti-fraternity laws there in 1858 and practically ceased to exist as a chapter of Delta Kappa Epsilon until 1863. It had not initiated members for several years, but held meetings in Boston, where it became known as the "Dicky Club." The chapter was revived as a sophmore society in 1863, and exists to-day, occasionally challenging attention when some accident reveals to the public its ridiculous and at times reprehensible method of initiating candidates. Dicky Club is no longer "D. K. E." Quite a number of chapters of "D. K. E." have houses of their own; the "D. K. E." club in New York stands as high as similar institutions there, and there arc associations of "D. K. E." alumni at a score of cities which hold annual reunions and cultivate the fraternal relations begun during college life. The fraternity is governed by an advisory council which is incorporated. The badge resembles that of Psi Upsilon, except that in the centre of the black field the golden letters Delta Kappa Epsilon appear upon a white scroll. Much is made of armorial bearings, each chapter having a distinct blazon. The fraternity emblem is a lion rampant, in black, on a gold background. On its list of names of distinguished members are those of United States Senators M. C. Butler and Calvin S. Brice; Perry Belmont, W. D. Washburn, John D. Long, A. Miner Griswold, A. P. Burbnak, Theodore Roosevelt, John Bach McMaster, George Ticknor Curtis, Julian Hawthorne, Robert Grant, Theodore Winthrop, William L. Alden, ex-Governor MeCreary of Kentucky; Wayne Mcveagh, Charles S. Fairchild, General Francis A. Walker, Whitelaw Reid, Robert T. Lincoln, Stewart L. Woodford, Mark H. Dunnell and Henry Cabot Lodge." MORE DEKE HISTORY: 1850s--National fraternities establish Harvard chapters, among them: Delta Kappa
[CTRL] RUSSIA Sucks U.S. Taxpayers!
-Caveat Lector- Subsidizing Russia's Nuclear Scientists http://www.insightmag.com/info/last.html We are the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! ---Michael Medveh Bard begin 666 Insight Magazine.url M6TEN=5R;F5T4VAOG1C=71=#0I54DP]:'1T#HO+W=W=RYI;G-I9VAT;6%G M+F-O;2]I;F9O+VQAW0N:'1M; T*36]D:69I960],#!$14)130T.39%0D4P %,48W#0H` ` end DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] WorldNetDaily Poll: Next President?
-Caveat Lector- WorldNetDaily Poll: Who do you favor to be the next President? http://www.worldnetdaily.com/ "...There is no nation on earth powerful enough to accomplish our overthrow. Our destruction, should it ever come at all, will be from another quarter. From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence." - Daniel Webster Patriot RealPlayer Radio http://members.tripod.com/~ThePatriot/index2.html Alan Keyes in 2000 http://www.keyes2000.org/ ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Patriot Resource Center: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6627/ **Live Free or Die!** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Klintoon Spy Case Tests U.S. Openness With China (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/W
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Re: [CTRL] ALERT! URGENT: CONTACT YOUR SENATORS FOR NATIONALMISSILEDEFENSE SYSTEM
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MICHAEL SPITZER wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
On Sat, 13 Mar 1999, Ric Carter wrote:
Ric "if you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail" Carter
Man, I love that! And OH SO TRUE (I recall my first gun
purchases...altho never really feeling I needed one...within
a few weeks I was wondering how the hell I ever got along
without one, pulling it out and running around my yard at night
NUDE with gun in hand, at every sound, real or not...didn't
matter:)
Ric, where did you get this "if you have a hammer..." thing
from, i.e., is it original??
Thanks,
Mike
REPLY: The quote I heard as a boy was, "If the only tool you have is a hammer,
all your problems look like nails."
Jim Norman
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Re: [CTRL] WorldNetDaily Poll: Next President?
-Caveat Lector- Would like to see Phil Collins become our next president! -Original Message- From: Mike Moxley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 1:45 PM Subject: [CTRL] WorldNetDaily Poll: Next President? -Caveat Lector- WorldNetDaily Poll: Who do you favor to be the next President? http://www.worldnetdaily.com/ "...There is no nation on earth powerful enough to accomplish our overthrow. Our destruction, should it ever come at all, will be from another quarter. From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence." - Daniel Webster Patriot RealPlayer Radio http://members.tripod.com/~ThePatriot/index2.html Alan Keyes in 2000 http://www.keyes2000.org/ ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Patriot Resource Center: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6627/ **Live Free or Die!** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] WOWOWOW!***WorldNetDaily Reader Survey***WOWOWOW!
-Caveat Lector- Preference for presidential candidates Who do you favor for president? GO TO: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/cgi-bin/SurveyTime_v1.2/SurveyTime_v1.2.cgi?vie w=resultsid=031399215259voted=1 and find out result of 2227 votes cast. "Cattle ranching on the public lands is the most sacred form of public welfare in the United States." --ED ABBEY Bard begin 666 WorldNetDaily Reader Survey.url M6TEN=5R;F5T4VAOG1C=71=#0I54DP]:'1T#HO+W=W=RYW;W)L9YE=1A M:6QY+F-O;2]C9VDM8FEN+U-UG9E51I;65?=C$N,B]3=7)V97E4:6UE7W8Q M+C(N8V=I/W9I97]F5S=6QTR9I9#TP,S$S.3DR,34R-3DF=F]T960],0T* =36]D:69I960]0S R-CU138U-S9%0D4P,4,U#0H` ` end DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] LOLOLOL!! Larry King on Klintoon! LOLOL!!*[u gotta read this]
-Caveat Lector- Welcome to Five Questions with a QA session with a selected guest. Today our guest is Larry King, well known interviewer and host of "Larry King Live", seen weeknights on CNN. After 40 years you must have some interesting stories. Can you tell us one of them? Well, one time while I was interviewing President Clinton, I got my head so far up his ass that I found a piece of gum that he swallowed when he was 12.true story! Larry, this week marks your 40th year in the radio business. Who is your favorite guest of all time? Well, there have been so many..let me see now... has to be Barbara Streisand, that voice, that beauty, that...no, wait, Marlon Brando, yes Brando, he was the greatest...Hold on, Ross Perot, talk about a man with a vision, he has to be... wait, I got it now... Bill and Hillary Clinton, the greatest President and First Lady this county has ever seen, yes, I would have to say.wait you know, ... come to think of it every guest has been my favorite in their own special way . What do you say to those who accuse you of having a liberal slant? That's just a rumor perpetrated by right wing fanatical kooks like Paul Harvey, George Bush and Bob Dole. My views are no further from the center than those of Jesse Jackson, Bill Clinton or Ted Kennedy, all well known centrists ** .The Word Of The Lord: Proverbs 29:1 He who is often reproved, yet stiffens his neck will suddenly be broken beyond healing. Bard DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Monica is you. She is just like you.
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Lloyd Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linda Tripp made a critical error in judgement. She thought she was just like the "American people". Wrong! Monica Lewinsky, not Linda Tripp, is "just like the American people". Like Monica Lewinsky, the "American People" are c* suckers, gleefully ready to sacrifice self-respect, independence, and liberty to curry favor with the powerful! And even more than wanting to 'curry favor', the rank-and-file of John and Jane Q's wish to have the government solve any manner of inconvenience in their lives, they are very willing to give up all manner of civil rights and liberties in the name of 'security' and 'comfort' -- as long as 'someone' does 'something' about 'it'... About a year or so ago, we had a bank robbery in the area...it was reported that it was 'thought' that the perp had excaped to a state forest in the area (altho it would have made no sense to do so, since said forest is at the top of a mountain with limited access in and out -- it would be a perfect TRAP)...but the state brought out loads of helicopters to buzz overhead, and set up a roadblock in the neighborhood at the foot of the main road leading to/from the state park -- and proceeded to stop EVERY vehicle, even those heading IN (when they were reporting they thought the robber was already IN the forest, so it didn't seem to make much sense to stop cars coming IN to the neighborhood), and 'require' a complete search of the vehicle... The local media duly showed some of those who'd been stopped and searched stating that they thought it was a 'good idea', that they were okay with the idea of the illegal search (or course, it wasn't reported as such), since 'whatever needs to be done should be done'... Not one person was reported to have objected to being stopped and having their vehicles searched. Linda Tripp is a principled whistle blower, confronting illegitimate power under difficult circumstances, certainly nothing like the "American people" who care only about propitiating power, kneeling down before government power in the hopes of obtaining unearned medical and retirement benefits. Again, it isn't even a case of benefits, whether one consideres them 'earned' or not (now THAT subject can open up a whole can of worms, for whom determines whether such benefits are 'earned' or not?)...rather, it all comes down to the wider venue of 'security', whether that security is in feeling one can keep a roof over their heads and food on the table, and obtain medical help when needed, or whether 'security' means giving up certain freedoms in the name of 'safety'... Far from joining Linda Tripp in confronting power, the demented "American People" join Monica Lewinsky in her fantasy world where the most vicious, the scum who float and claw their way to the top of power heirarchies--the Hitlers, the Stalins, the Caesars, the Clintons--can be relied upon to provide happiness and benefits for the weak and helpless if only one stoops lower than a prostitute. Reminds me of a few times when I was younger, working at a couple of places where things definitely weren't right...and during breaks everyone agreed 'something should be done', that indeed if we ALL stood together against management, we could effect positive changes...but when the confrontation came, _I_ was the only one with the courage of my convictions to actually stand up and 'mouth off'...all the others who'd given lip service to standing up for their rights just sat back and let ME take the heat, and in fact were very willing for me to possibly be fired as long as THEY didn't take any heat, and felt that their jobs were secure. Again, it all came down to 'security'...they weren't willing to take the risk of losing their job for the sake of creating a better working condition...and if such people aren't willing to take risks on a level which directly effects them PERSONALLY, one shouldn't be surprised that they aren't willing to take risks on issues which are more esoteric to their day-to-day lives... So the president lied...what does THAT have to do with THEM paying their mortgage and car loan and putting their kids thru college? Why should THEY rock the boat over something as 'ivory tower' as 'perjury' and 'obstruction of justice'? The people are whining for a Caesar. They would prefer Julius or Augustus, but will just as easily put on the knee pads for Caligula and pretend. Yes, as long as 'someone'...ANYONE...takes responsibility off of their own shoulders... June *===* Part of me will always be with you, part of you is growing in me It's just the way we happen to be... We don't know how to love, Love without fear. --Yoko Ono, "Even When You're Far Away" *===*
[CTRL] Top Ten Reasons On Why I Did NOT Vote for Bill Clinton!
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(I'm not David Letterman but I have principles)
http://www.castle.net/~cook/notclint.htm
Our President:
"The President has kept promises he meant to keep." - George Stephanopoulos
"But when I was in England I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and
I didn't like it. I DIDN'T INHALE it, and never tried it again."
- Bill Clinton
"The President...He is an unusually good liar."
- Sen. Kerry (D-Neb.)
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--ED ABBEY
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[CTRL] Detecting Psychotronics With Tin Foil
-Caveat Lector- Detecting Psychotronics With Tin Foil by Joan Siegemund and Kathy Kasten From: Joan Siegemund c/o husband Ralf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Evidence for benefits Ed! Just reread your resume on your MCF site and my eye caught what it did not catch before: that the govt does not believe you are the victim of microwaves. The evidence, as my tin foil-covered window has told me in clear tones, is but a roll of tin foil away. We covered our windows completely with tinfoil and after initially getting only tiny holes, we then found much better evidence of strange things from the sky--and from much closer. Patterns in various shapes, some in vertical pulse lines and others with angular whale-bone type with one series of parallel lines (in this case 3) going off at angle to another set that is more radiating, not parallel. The tinfoil must completely cover an access window so that the waves must pass through them, and it is easier for them to pass through window than walls. This, together with fax paper or other paper with ink of any pen preferably a wide-tip felt marker should, I imagine, constitute some sort of indication that strange things have been coming through that cannot be explained otherwise. I have sheets of paper on which I jotted down various notes, and while they lay beside the computer which is often getting interference, I watched in amazement as the ink blurred before my eyes. I showed this to Kathy, together with the tin foil and NY Times story which I will send you. I will also include a piece of the black closed-cell foam rubber "skin" which may have to be worn in more than one layer, but which, because it is thin, is easily added to without being too bulky. Contents From: Kathy Kasten[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2/20/97: Last night I saw proof of microwave radiation. Yes, there are ways to capture the fact of microwave radiation. The proof consisted of two items: a piece of aluminum foil and a piece of fax paper. Aluminum Foil: The piece of foil was about 24 inches by 12 inches (approximately). Besides the usual crinkling of the foil there were additional lines - very distinctive lines - very straight lines. These etched lines showed obvious pulsing and they were very straight. Depending on how long a single piece of foil is utilized - in attempts to block the pulsing microwave energy - will determine how many lines are etched in the foil. For each pass, a new line appears. This shows that the microwave beam is traveling across the targeted field. So, if you think you are targeted by satellite platform microwave radiation, be sure to hang some foil in the window. You will need to decide which window, because the satellites continue in the same orbit, but the Earth turns. Experiment. Put the foil up in all windows. Collect proof that you are on the receiving end of microwave radiation. Fax Paper: First, push the "copy" button on the fax machine - this will only work with fax paper which is thermal coated. Retrieve "blank" sheet of paper. Place the paper - coated side up - next to your computer. Log onto the computer. If the ground scanner in your neighborhood is alert and is being paid to block and/or retrieve files, sit and watch the paper as it develops the spectral lines. Sometimes it helps to write on the paper with fine line felt tips pens - then you can watch the ink as it spreads. Simple techniques to gather evidence that you are being radiated are brought to you care of Joan, a target individual in Los Angeles. I know these techniques work, I saw these pieces of evidence with my own eyes. Kathy Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL TODAY'S MP3: 5th Avenue Junction: Groovacious http://www.mp3.com/music/Jazz/10649.html ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL
[CTRL] Mind Control Forum
-Caveat Lector- http://www.mk.net/~mcf/ This site has some interesting images of implants, both MRI scans and implants that have been removed. Steve Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL TODAY'S MP3: 5th Avenue Junction: Groovacious http://www.mp3.com/music/Jazz/10649.html ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 2000 Presidential Election Poll (http://www.rdb2.com/notgore2000/poll.html)
-Caveat Lector-
New Poll active since 03/01/99:
http://www.rdb2.com/notgore2000/poll.html
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[CTRL] Napa Sentinel Series on Mind Control
-Caveat Lector- http://www.mk.net/~mcf/napa.htm Mind Control By Harry V. Martin and David Caul From the Napa Sentinel, Napa, CA, USA Copyright FreeAmerica and Harry V. Martin, 1995 Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL TODAY'S MP3: 5th Avenue Junction: Groovacious http://www.mp3.com/music/Jazz/10649.html ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Year 2000 question: Where was Al?
-Caveat Lector- Why has Al Gore chosen to go AWOL on the issue? READ THIS AND FIND OUT FOLKS: http://www.idg.net/idg_frames/english/content.cgi?vc=docid_9-63163.html Nevertheless, the silence from the vice president's office has been particularly conspicuous. No one in politics has worked harder at developing a technology-centric image. Yet in what is arguably the biggest technology policy issue of the 1997-2000 period, Gore has uttered hardly a word. Huumm! Wonder why?? Bard "Cattle ranching on the public lands is the most sacred form of public welfare in the United States." --ED ABBEY begin 666 idg.url M6TEN=5R;F5T4VAOG1C=71=#0I54DP]:'1T#HO+W=W=RYI9N;F5T+VED M9U]FF%M97,O96YG;ES:"]C;VYT96YT+F-G:3]V8SUD;V-I9%\Y+38S,38S D+FAT;6P-"DUO9EF:65D/4,P-S,T1#P-D,V14)%,#$X.0T* ` end DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] WND Presidential Poll AOL
-Caveat Lector- RE: WorldNetDaily Presidential Poll and AOL BS. When I voted, a message told me that I had already voted. Below is my message to WorldNetDaily: Got message saying that I had already voted. I had not. If someone has used my identity to cast a vote, I would appreciate knowing. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Below is WND's reply: Thank you for your recent correspondence regarding the survey currently being conducted by WorldNetDaily. We have identified a 'vote blocking' problem which affects AOL customers only; the situation is no doubt related to AOL's proxy servers which cache our pages. In short, the WorldNetDaily web server is contacted not by AOL users directly, but by 'proxy servers'; When the same proxy server attempts to register a vote repeatedly, our system detects that the client (in this case a proxy server) has already cast a vote, and thus further votes from that client are not permitted. While we are investigating the practicality of re-engineering or re-configuring our on side of the system to overcome this problem, I am not optimistic. We have a long history of problems related to AOL's proxy caching system (any techies who want details, E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]). On my personal behalf, I'd like to add this: We value and welcome all readers, but I must deal with the reality that only 4 percent of our traffic comes from AOL, and yet the vast majority of our 'trouble tickets' are related to the .aol domain. My most satisfying solution, for myself and our readers, is to encourage AOL subscribers to try an alternative provider. (Mindspring comes to mind, and I understand that they're offering a 'free month trial and waived setup fee'. You have nothing to lose, and everything to gain. Visit their home page at http://www.mindspring.com/ and follow the link entitled "Make the switch to MindSpring and Escape AOL.") Or pick any other provider for a trial. You won't believe the difference when you join the hundreds of thousands of WorldNetDaily readers who enjoy our up-to-the minute pages served fresh every day. In the meantime, we've opened a trouble ticket for this aol-polling problem. Thank you for your interest. And thanks for reading WorldNetDaily. -- Matt Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pentagon said Chinese spying at a U.S. nuclear llabor...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 3/14/99 12:04:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a minute would beat their ploughs into swordsNixon had the bible open to a passage, they sahll beat their swords into ploughshares. With everybody spying upon everybody else, livingn in fear, pehaps we can buld up our defense - tht is the name of the game - remembering that government was designed as a service to the people in the great condominium - and if you want out, remember what Sherman did to Georgia. Well, anyway Hail to the Chief - he is our president and he answers to us. Somehow I've missed the exact dates when this thing happened, but I heard the figure l6 years ago bandied about on television and radio. Does anyone know for sure? I'm curious to know if it corresponded to George Bush's days as head of the U.S. Liaison Office in Beijing. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] ALERT! URGENT: CONTACT YOUR SENATORS FOR NATIONALMISSILEDEFENSE SYSTEM
-Caveat Lector- 14 March 99 Granted, there are folks who believe an SDI-type defense will _not_ work. But arguing that it's not worth spending the money on something that _may_ not work is certainly not a valid reason against developing the technological means to defend the U.S. against a possible missile attack from Russia or China or any other rogue state that decides to test America's [or its allies'] will. There are still many reasons [i.e. stability, safety, deterrence, etc.] why the U.S. ought to further explore this project and work jointly with its Allies in perfecting the technology that makes a "Star Wars"-type of defense functional, and work well. There are pro and con arguments for everything. Sometimes it's worth to argue point by point, and make excuses like "It's not worth the money," etc. But, in this case, where the lives of millions are at stake, the risks are too high to be proved wrong. Isn't avoiding mass destruction on U.S. soil a national priority? Isn't RD of a national missile defense in this country's best interests? I would argue that it _is_ worth the money, considering all the gunk procurable pet projects spent by the U.S. Congress. What makes an SDI-type defense system any less important on the grand scale of this country's long laundry list of priorities? There are naysayers everywhere, making lots of different excuses based on various SDI research analysis. One ought to ask themselves the source of some of the results, and Time articles cited below. Who's behind crushing the SDI for the U.S. and its Allies? What's their agenda? Why do they care so much whether or not the U.S. develops a national missile defense system? Technology that helps mankind was not developed out of thin air. It was perfected and made to work due to ingenuity, persistence and the true American spirit. A recent poll [I can't recall the source, but maybe someone out there does] indicated that a majority of folks in the U.S. believe America currently has some sort of protection set up against a missile attack. While we know that's not the case, one can't help but wonder about the kind of mass destruction that would occur and how many peoples' lives would be ended without the protective shield of an SDI-type defense network. Ric Carter wrote: -Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: A.C. Szul [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, so maybe you're not an agent. Still, the "rogue state firing ballistic missiles at the US" scenario is bogus, Star Wars can't deal with likely attacks, there are better ways to spend the money. In STAR WARS: THE SEQUEL [TIME, 22 Feb. 99] Mark Thompson writes: "A lot of experts don't believe the missile shield will work. Even if it can be made to thwart incoming ICBMs, they argue, it will be worthless against the lo-tech route that nukes or biochemical war- heads would be more likely to take. A renegade state could sneak a nuclear bomb into New York City in a truck or the hold of a freighter, or simple lob a Scud-like missile full of lethal germs into Manhattan from 20 miles offshore, neatly passing underneath the shield. Even the Joint Chiefs of Staff 'worry more about a suitcase bomb going off in one of our cities,' [Sec. of Defence William] Cohen admits. 'Very few countries are going to launch an ICBM, knowing that they are going to face virtual elimination.'" So if someone fires an ICBM at the US, whether or not Star Wars II is up and running, we'll know where it came from, and can/will fry that particular portion of geography - which is a helluva deterrant, one that's worked for the last few decades. But if we deploy a perfect Star Wars system, we're GUARANTEEING that ONLY stealth.war will be waged against the US, since no rational opponent will suicidally launch anything that will be 1) shot down and 2) traced and avenged. In fact, the only opponent that Star Wars would be useful against, is an opponent that thinks it COULD launch a successful pre-emptive strike against the US ICBM fleet if there were no ABM system. That opponent was the old USSR, and it's no longer capable of mounting such an attack, if such an attack could EVER have been launched - I'd argue that the submarine missile cruiser fleet made that an impossible dream anyway. So, Star Wars II is clearly NOT about actualy defending the US from rogue states - it's about defending military contractors from reduced income. Bother. -snip Regards, -A http://www.erols.com/mack97 "The sharpest tool in the shed." -- anonymous DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said,
[CTRL] U.S. Medical-Marijuana Movement Awaits Key Report
-Caveat Lector- Sunday March 14 12:33 PM ET U.S. Medical-Marijuana Movement Awaits Key Report By Andrew Quinn SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - The battle over medical marijuana has been waged on the streets, in the courts and at the ballot box. This week the fight focuses on science with the release Wednesday of a government-ordered report assessing claims that marijuana can alleviate suffering associated with everything from AIDS and cancer to glaucoma and chronic pain. At stake, both sides in the debate say, could well be the future of marijuana -- hailed by some as a miracle medicine, condemned by others as a dangerous substance and the first step to hard drugs, addiction and despair. The report was commissioned from the National Academy of Sciences' Institute of Medicine by Clinton administration anti-drug chief Barry McCaffrey as a review of all the available research on marijuana. He has said he will carefully weigh the evidence it presents. Many observers expect that evidence to be positive, and while few believe the report will offer specific policy recommendations, pro-marijuana activists say even a suggestion that further research be conducted would be powerful new ammunition in the struggle to make marijuana medically available to people who say they need it. ``This gives a scientific basis to the argument,'' said Bill Zimmerman, director of Americans for Medical Rights, a group that has coordinated campaigns to pass medical marijuana initiatives in a number of U.S. states. ``We're hopeful that the government will change its policy in response to this report,'' Zimmerman said. That hope would have seemed far-fetched just a few years ago. As recently as last October, McCaffrey himself dismissed medical-marijuana advocates as undercover operatives working to weaken America's anti- drug resolve. ``Let's have none of this malarkey on marijuana-smoking by cunning groups working to legalize drugs,'' he told a news conference. ``American medicine is the best in the world for pain management.'' That position has been echoed by a range of conservative, religious and family groups, who scoff at the notion that the rolled marijuana joint should be allowed into America's medicine cabinets. ``Morphine is a pure derivative of heroin, and from the poppy. But no doctor tells you to go out and smoke opium for pain relief,'' said Terry Hensley of the Drug Free America Foundation of St. Petersburg, Florida. ``This movement ... is using medical marijuana as a red herring or a Trojan horse to legalize dope because they know they can get it through on the compassion issue,'' Hensley said. But compassion and the concerted efforts of well-organized AIDS activist groups have carried the day in most of the recent tests of the medical-marijuana issue. California and Arizona in 1996 became the first states in the country to pass voter initiatives legalizing certain medical uses of marijuana, and six other states adopted similar measures in last November's election. Efforts to implement the state laws have been messy and ineffectual, however, stymied in large part by federal anti-narcotics laws, which ban marijuana as a Schedule I drug: dangerous, addictive and without medical benefit. Supporters of medical marijuana say this creates a dangerous situation for the sick and infirm who believe they benefit from the drug, forcing them to turn to potentially dangerous street dealers and leaving them in fear of arrest. ``The tens of thousands of patients who are right now using marijuana are criminals,'' said Chuck Thomas of the Marijuana Policy Project, a Washington-based group that has lobbied to bring the testimony of medical-marijuana users before the review committee. ``This may be a war, but we have got to remove the sick and wounded from the battlefield,'' Thomas said. Anti-drug groups believe that is easily done, pointing to the fact that the main active ingredient in marijuana, THC, is available in synthetic form in the drug Marinol -- a pill that, like any other, delivers a precise dose of a substance and can be monitored by a doctor. But many marijuana-using patients say Marinol simply does not work as well as a few puffs of a marijuana cigarette. ``The fact of smoking a medicine makes it highly unusual, but one has to focus on the bottom line,'' said Ethan Nadelmann, director of the Lindesmith Center, a New York-based drug policy think tank funded by financier George Soros, who has backed a number of medical-marijuana initiatives. ``There is overwhelming evidence, right in front of our eyes, that this stuff works,'' Nadelmann said. Whether that evidence will prove equally convincing to the Institute of Medicine panel or McCaffrey is an open question. Officials in his McCaffrey's office said the former general would have no comment on the matter until after the report was released. Copyright © 1999 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved.
Re: [CTRL] Alleged CIA memo outlining surveillance of Marilyn Mon roe -Secret Air Base reference
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Colleen Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Lane was with Kilgallen shortly before she died; he was at Jonestown; he got mixed up with Flynt after CIA had warned Bud Fensterwald not to take post with House Assassination Committtee or they would come with his head, this appered in Flynt's first and last Free Press; Gordon Novel hooked up with Flynt later as security to protect him; and then, Lane had material in a publicaatioin by the gentleman who received the tapes from the Halle Bopp who then committed they say, suicide - which I doubt. If I decipher Colleen's post correctly, I think she is saying that Mark Lane was involved with 'Do' of the Heaven's Gate cult? If this is INDEED what she is saying, it ties in with other things I've read, which pointed out that 'Do' (Applewhite, I believe), was previously known as 'Bo' in the 1970s, and 'Ti' was 'Peep', the infamous 'Bo and Peep' who claimed to be in touch with space aliens, who had told them the exact date the world would end, but that 'the mother ship' would land on some mountaintop beforehand and rescue the 'true believers' before the final destruction... And how did one prove one was a true believer? Why, by turning over all one's earthly assets to 'Bo and Peep', of course...including one's bank books... Needless to say, the world did not come to an end...but all the true believers DID gather on that mountaintop on the appointed date, awaiting the landing of the mothership...never asking why Bo and Peep were nowhere to be seen... And after it became evident that they'd all been 'had', they sheepishly descended the mountain, a little wiser, a whole lot poorer...but at least alive... And for some reason, the authorities didn't seem too concerned about pursuing 'Bo and Peep', who'd absconded with hundreds of thousands of dollars in what was obviously a major con... Year later, I was to read of Bo's previous involvement with not only the CIA, but with Jonestown (which also had CIA involvement) So it's not surprising to find Mark Lane's name popping up associated with both... It would seem everyplace Lane went, someone was a little ahead or a little behind him. Or perhaps Lane is EXACTLY at the right place, at the right time ;-) June *===* Part of me will always be with you, part of you is growing in me It's just the way we happen to be... We don't know how to love, Love without fear. --Yoko Ono, "Even When You're Far Away" *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: Preschoolers To Learn About Sodomy]
-- Michael the Outlawlady The Joshua Files http://members.spree.com/education/2302410/ Friends, The national media reports that today's education of America's children has fallen far below other nations and is now on a par with some 3rd world countries. I don't think this is correct. While our children may not be able to read, write, spell, add or substract, they learn many subjects not taught in other countries. This is an example. Thanks Tony. Jim Hardin http://freedompage.home.mindspring.com To receive Freedom Page mail, put "Subscribe" as subject to [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony K. Pritchard) Subject: Preschoolers To Learn About Sodomy The Winds http://www.thewinds.org/archive/family/gay_agenda8-97.html PROVINCETOWN INTRODUCES SODOMY TO PRESCHOOLERS Homosexual "Change Agents" Facilitate Implosion of American Culture Last week the school board in Provincetown, Mass. voted to begin educating preschoolers about homosexual lifestyles, according to an article in theWashington Times. The board also decided in favor of hiring preferences for "sexual minorities," a move that puts Provincetown on the cutting edge of the homosexual agenda. "We are on a trailblazing path," said Susan Fleming, superintendent of Provincetown schools. "We are going to be a change agent." Provincetown is a homosexual enclave on Cape Cod. Nearly half of the town's parents are homosexual, as are the school's top officials. Jeannine Cristina is a lesbian that has a bi-racial daughter in a Provincetown school - a daughter she conceived through artificial insemination. Miss Cristina is also the president of the Provincetown PTA and the one who initially pushed the pro-homosexual school board decision. The adopted seven-point plan broadly calls on the school system to reject "bias" in curriculum. The stated goal is to equip "students, teachers and the community at large with the tools needed to combat racism, sexism, ableism, classism, heterosexism and homophobia and all forms of oppression" To teach this "anti-bias" curriculum the school system will "search for, hire and retain a diverse staff, including sexual minorities." (Source:The Washington Times, "Provincetown Preschoolers to Learn ABC's of Being Gay," August 21, 1997). Miss Cristina remarked that the success of her proposal is "truly a milestone in education." "I'd be so excited to have this happen across the nation," she said. "But the reality is a lot of work has to be done across the country, and hopefully Provincetown will be the model." Miss Cristina also won the help of local homosexual activist John Perry Ryan who explained that the plan is to end the "dominance" of the perspective of the "white Europeans...who are also very heterosexual, very Christian, very male." (ibid.) President Clinton was vacationing at Martha's Vineyard, about 40 miles from Provincetown, when the school board approved the "anti-bias" plan. Proponents urged the White House to endorse it, but there has been no reaction as of yet. The lack of response is characteristic of the president when confronted with an explosive issue. One may be assured that the silence does not mean indecision, because the president has several militant homosexuals in his administration and his Hate Crimes conference, scheduled for November 11th, plans to address America's "bias" problems. Provincetown and President Have Same Plan In case Miss Cristina is feeling put off by the Clinton's silence about her plan for America, all she needs to do is review his radio address of June 7, 1997. In that address the president announced his planned White House conference on hate crimes, and announced his initiative for the eradication of those "biases" that are the target of the Provincetown plan. On the surface the president's address was full of the usual benign cliches and platitudes, however, the trained ear may discern the trumpet call for another assault in America's culture war. Like George Bush's speeches during the Gulf War, President Clinton's June 7th address was liberally sprinkled with globalist Newspeak. He said, "...as we move into a new century with its global economy and its global society, our rich diversity is a powerful strength...", a powerful strength for the ruling elite, that is, as the American social fabric is ripped to shreds by "diverse" counter cultures, making the enslavement of all more certain. Hate Crime - Daring to Think or Speak the Truth Clinton lamented, "We still have our ugly words and awful violence, our burned churches and bombed buildings." He neglected to explain that this violence is often the effect of the culture war he is nurturing and supporting with his high office. He hinted at a remedy for the "ugly words" that he deems to be the cause of our troubles when he said, "...it is time for us to mount an all-out assault on hate crimes, to punish them swiftly and severely, and to do more to prevent them from happening in the first place."
[CTRL] US Concentration Camps
-Caveat Lector- having only recently joined this list I wonder if this article from a week ago has been on this list (about camps under construction for ?? project rex? y2K?) http://sightings.com/ufo2/campssoca.htm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Osama Free Energy
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:16:44 +0200 (EET), Osama Bin Laden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi! I heard of your search for free energy devices, and I have one for you that actually works. I'm only afraid, that the energies involved haven't yet been succeeded to be efficiently put in productive use. It works like this: Go to a person and tell him he is a dork, and otherwise put him down. Make him feel bad. When he goes home, he is certain to reproduce his bad feelings onto others, quite probably to as many as two persons. These two persons in turn will tell off ever more people, and we end up with an exponentially increasing amount of people feeling bad. Now, if at some time we can make the loop back to the original person who you told off, we get a perpetual motion machine, that produces an infinite amount of energy. The only problem is that we don't have a 100% sure way to turn bad feelings into energy yet. But the good thing is that this construct actually works in practice, and it is easy to test. Osama (may I call you Osama?) : Normally after reading a message like this I would begin tests on your theory by calling you a dork. However, I am trying to turn over a new leaf and start spreading good karma (breath deeply; listen closely; can't you almost smell the incense burning and hear my wind chimes tinkling in the background; do you hear me chanting my mantra? "Osama is NOT a dork. Osama is NOT a dork. Osama is NOT..."). So, as not to spread more stinky, bad, sand-papery, naughty karma around, I will NOT call your writing simplistic, sentimental pandering, and I certainly will NOT call you a dork. Nope. You can't make me do it. Nope. You can't, so don't even try to tempt me! I won't do it ! Nope, not me. No way, buddy ! DORK! AAAH - HAAA - H ! Ah, no! I couldn't stop it ! It is a force greater than myself ! I couldn't stop my fingers from typing it ! They are POSSESSED ! (Help me out here! Old habits are tough to break! Can't you see my insensitivity as a desperate plea for help? Even Oscar the Grouch has friends !) Sincerely, The Kinder, More Sensitive HOFFA ;-) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] ALERT! URGENT: CONTACT YOUR SENATORS FOR NATIONAL MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEM
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Jim Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] MICHAEL SPITZER wrote: On Sat, 13 Mar 1999, Ric Carter wrote: Ric "if you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail" Carter Ric, where did you get this "if you have a hammer..." thing from, i.e., is it original?? REPLY: The quote I heard as a boy was, "If the only tool you have is a hammer, all your problems look like nails." That's it, I just shortened it to fit in as a tagline. I'm licensed to do that kind of editing - Poetic License, Class 1A, issued by the Modern Languages Ass'n, Dept. of Redundancy Dept. Apply for one now. Ric "and I didn't even need a M.A. in comparative literature" Carter DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Colleen's Question
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:54:57 -0500 (EST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colleen Jones) writes: Whats a dork. Well, it's an insult. In today's slang, it means a "goof," "bone- head," etc. There is an older meaning of the word. However, I wasn't using "dork" in that fashion. (I will withhold the older translation so as not to offend a lady such as yourself.) I was simply teasing Osama by using the insult he used in his "be nice to others" example. HOFFA DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
