date:19990420


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Security High for NATO's 50th

By DAVID BRISCOE
.c The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The city that made its way through the Million Man March,
massive civil rights and anti-war protests and quadrennial inaugurations is
taking unprecedented steps to protect an event that will attract few
spectators -- largely because those who come will be stopped at the
barricades.

Bomb squads, SWAT teams and other federal and local police units and
personnel are throwing a smothering security blanket over America's capital
beginning Friday to protect leaders of about 40 countries meeting for NATO's
50th anniversary.

The cloak of protection, intensified because of the NATO bombing campaign,
includes the first-ever closing of several Smithsonian museums for security
reasons. Police are virtually shutting down more than two dozen blocks in the
busy heart of the city.

Yet organizers continue to scale back public aspects of the gathering,
turning it solely toward serious business topped by talk on NATO's conflict
with Yugoslavia. Bleachers just set up for a major outdoor ceremony were
being dismantled Monday after leaders decided to meet on Kosovo Friday
morning instead of holding a public ceremony and parade.

Strategy sessions and security drills began six months ago to prepare for
anything from drive-by shootings or truck bombing to nuclear or biological
terrorism.

``We are the No. 1 target in the world,'' said Jim Rice, FBI special agent
for terrorism. ``But we have home-field advantage. We know the streets. We
know the skyline. If something is out of place, we know it.''

Altogether, 17 agencies are involved, including riot police and hazardous
chemical units, plus security details for each world leader.

``All are prepared to respond to an emergency,'' said Secret Service Special
Agent Jim Mackin. ``Our goal in planning was to prevent them from having to
do that.''

The war in Kosovo and U.S. and British skirmishes with Iraq add to potential
security problems. But so far neither action has brought a specific threat --
at least not one made public.

``I don't want to jinx anything, but the threats we have today are the same
ones we had yesterday and the day before,'' Rice said. ``We are prepared.''

Traffic will be banned from several blocks surrounding the sprawling new
Ronald Reagan Building downtown, where the leaders will meet. Closer in, even
pedestrians will be restricted.

Nine downtown Smithsonian museums were set to close Friday. Museum officials
agreed to the unprecedented shutdown after NATO organizers demanded that
nonessential government workers in a nearly 100-block security zone stay home
to sharply reduce the number of people in the area. The zone includes much of
the National Mall.

The three most popular museums will remain open -- Air and Space, Natural
History and American History -- and all museums will be open Saturday and
Sunday. They usually close only on Christmas.

``We got pressure not to bring any of our people in,'' said Smithsonian
spokesman David J. Umansky. ``But we have a responsibility to the American
people,'' who expect the free museums to be open.

Eight busy downtown streets and a major subway stop next to the NATO meeting
site will be closed for the three-day event. And all city schools will close
Friday, including those miles from the summit.

``If I were a terrorist, this is the last town I would hit,'' said Frank
Cilluffo, global crime expert with the Center for Strategic and International
Studies. Nevertheless, the summit provides a tempting target ``for those
interested in showcasing something to the world.''

The principal terrorist threat is from truck bombs, which is what much of the
physical security around Washington is designed to stop, noted Brian Michael
Jenkins, a California-based terrorism analyst.

But, he said, ``Can those measures prevent some individual or ad hoc
conspiracy or terrorist group on behalf of a multitude of causes from setting
a bomb somewhere in the city? Absolutely not.''

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[CTRL] Serbs Unlikely To Have Nuclear Arms


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 Uh, thanks for bringing up the subject, in the same breath as "Trust me"
...


Serbs Unlikely To Have Nuclear Arms

By SUSAN LADIKA
.c The Associated Press

VIENNA, Austria (AP) -- An international nuclear watchdog agency today
dismissed reports that Yugoslavia might attempt to produce nuclear weapons
and said the only danger might be posed if NATO bombs inadvertently struck a
nuclear research facility.

NATO forces are aware of the Vinca Institute of Nuclear Science, located
about 10 miles from the Yugoslav capital of Belgrade, said David Kyd,
spokesman for the United Nations' International Atomic Energy Agency.

``The risk of Yugoslavia misusing this material is low. The higher risk is
that a stray missile might go in this direction,'' Kyd said.

The 6.5-megawatt, Soviet-designed research reactor has about 130 pounds of
highly enriched uranium, including 5,000 uranium fuel rods stored in 30 drums
in a pond on the site, along with fresh fuel, he said.

Officials from the Institute for Science and International Security, an arms
control research group in Washington, were quoted in recent newspaper reports
as saying there was enough material at the facility to make nuclear weapons.

``I can't imagine in my wildest dreams what they would do with this,'' Kyd
said. Producing nuclear weapons could pose a danger to the Yugoslavs
themselves, and could provoke retaliation, he explained.

IAEA inspectors normally visit the Vinca facility each month. But no
inspection has been conducted since late January because of security risks in
Yugoslavia.

If the agency feared the nuclear materials were being misused, it could
request special permission to visit the site. But the country has always
complied with its nuclear obligations, Kyd said.

``I'm pretty confident we'd find everything as it should be'' if the IAEA did
an inspection, he said.

The Yugoslav government has stressed that no NATO airstrikes hit the
facility, which is located in a sparsely populated area.

``No one in their right mind'' would deliberately target the facility, Kyd
said.

The possibility remains that a bomb could go astray, but it is impossible to
predict the environmental damage it could do.

``You can't make a back-of-the-envelope calculation,'' he said, because
everything would be contingent on factors such as the strength of the weapon
and whether the facility took a direct hit.

An indirect hit could cause local contamination and radiation could seep into
the groundwater, he said.

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Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference

1999-04-20 Thread Dennis, Andrew


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Had Edision had his way, we would have been on the DC
system with step-up generators every 5-6 miles, throughout
the country. Thank God for the vision of George Westinghouse,
who fully supported Tesla and his 60 cycle AC power generation.

and:

Edison and Tesla had a falling out; Edison was a humanitarian.Tesla
and Westinghouse hand in hand, produced the first Electric
Chair...this resulted in Edison calling in the Westinghouse
Chair

no, Edison invented the electric chair (which uses alternating current)
as a method of execution to demonstrate that AC was "far more dangerous"
than DC.

Y'see, because Tesla had the patents for the induction motors and
generators you need to make cheap AC, Edison couldn't get his snout in
the trough that Westinghouse (Tesla's employer) was gobbling from.
Because AC is cheaper to produce and distribute, it was cheaper to the
customer and therefore more commercially successful.  So Edison tried to
get it banned on safety grounds (broadly equivalent, in logical terms,
to getting north-bound roads banned as inherently less safe than
south-bound roads)...

Andrew

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Re: [CTRL] Please Use PEACE TARGET Logos

1999-04-20 Thread AOL User


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Universal peace is a fiction and a ploy of Satan in these last days.
Revelations talks about armageddon and not peace.

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[CTRL] [Fwd: EMERGENCY MOBILIZATION TO STOP THE WAR - NATIONAL MARCH ON THE PENTAGON - JUNE 5, 1999]

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Subject: EMERGENCY MOBILIZATION TO STOP THE WAR - NATIONAL MARCH ON
THE PENTAGON  - JUNE 5, 1999
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:12:09 GMT
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From:   "iacenter" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject:March on the Pentagon--June 5
Date:   Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:18:49 -0500

ENDORSE THE CALL TO ACTION!
EMERGENCY MOBILIZATION TO STOP THE WAR
NATIONAL MARCH ON THE PENTAGON
JUNE 5, 1999

Add your name or your organization to the growing list of
endorsers for the Emergency Mobilization to End the War National
March on the Pentagon June 5, 1999 by clicking on the link below
and filling in the on line form (or fill out the coupon below)!

http://home.earthlink.net/~npcboston/jun5end.htm

CALL TO ACTION EMERGENCY MOBILIZATION TO STOP THE WAR
NATIONAL MARCH ON THE PENTAGON, JUNE 5, 1999

U.S./NATO bombs and cruise missiles are raining down on Bel-
grade, Pristina, Novi Sad and other cities, towns and villages
in Yugoslavia, falling on Serbs, Albanians, Hungarians, Romanis
and Montenegrins alike. In the name of "peace," NATO has killed
thousands and destroyed hospitals, homes, schools, universities,
bridges, power and water treatment plants, factories, and more.
In the name of "protecting human rights," the launching of the
air war has triggered a refugee crisis displacing hundreds of
thousands of people.

Now, as the bombing and its terrible toll escalate, the threat
of a U.S. invasion of Yugoslavia looms. A ground war will mean
the deployment of hundreds of thousands of troops.

Now is the time to act! We are urging you to join us in the new-
ly formed Emergency Mobilization to Stop the War. Hundreds of
thousands of us marched against the U.S. war on Iraq in 1990-91.
We have continued to work against the sanctions that have killed
more than 1.5 million civilians in that country. Now, the Pen-
tagon is embarked upon another bloody intervention, in violation
of all international law, and against the interests of the
people of the Balkans and the people of this country as well.

The Emergency Mobilization to Stop the War is planning major
activities to mobilize hundreds of thousands of people who will
say in a loud and clear voice: "Stop the bombing! Stop the war!
Bring the troops, ships and planes home now! Money for jobs,
healthcare and education, not for war!"

On Saturday, June 5, there will be a mass march from the Vietnam
Veterans Memorial to the steps of the Pentagon in Washington,
D.C. April 17 will be an International Day of Protest, with
demonstrations taking place in at least 100 cities across the
country and around the world.

Yugoslavia is the fourth country -- along with Iraq, Afghanistan
and the Sudan -- bombed by U.S. military forces in the past
eight months. Now we are at the edge of an even wider and more
destructive war. We must act urgently to build a broad and deep
movement that says "NO" to this madness. Join and endorse the
Emergency Mobilization today. Circulate this appeal to your co-
workers, neighbors, campus, church, mosque, synagogue, union and
community.

Emergency Mobilization to Stop the War
Initial Endorsers (list in formation):

Ramsey Clark
Bishop Thomas Gumbleton
Rev. Lucius Walker, Jr., Exe. Dir., IFCO/Pastors for Peace
Edith Villastrigo, Leg. Dir., Women Strike for Peace
Rev. Djokan Majstorovic, Serbian Orthodox Cathedral
of St. Sava, NYC
Michael Parenti, Author
Geronimo ji Jaga Pratt
Brian Becker, Sara Flounders International Action Center
Manning Marable
Catholic Worker
Nadja Tesich, Author
Barry Lituchy
Covert Action Quarterly
Leonore Foerstel, Women for Mutual Security
Center for Peace in the Balkans, Toronto, Canada
Haiti Support Network/Haiti Progres
Frank Velgara, Working Group on Puerto Rico/FS
Hellenic American Peace Committee
Larry Holmes, Workfairness
Jeremy Scahill, Pacifica Radio
Iman El-Sayed, College Voice, College of Staten Island
John Ranz, Pres., Survivors of Buchenwald, USA
Heather Cottin, Jewish-Serbian Friendship Committee
William Blum, Author, Killing Hope
Karen Talbot, International Center for Peace and Justice
David Sole, Pres. UAW Local 2334
Greek Americans for Action
Gloria La Riva, Int'l Peace for Cuba
Assn. Of Greek Resistance Fighters, 1941-1945
Alan Dale, Emergency Comm. Against US Intervention in
Yugoslavia*, MN
Women in Black
Hector Rivera, Welfare Poets
Kadouri Al-Kaysi, Comm. in Support of the Iraqi People
Leslie Feinberg, Author
Carlos Rovira, Latinos for Mumia
Ohio Citizen's Action
Prof. Dan Georgakas, Queens College
Trudy Rudnick, AFT, Local 3882
Westsiders Against War, NYC
Rev David Olson, Community Church of Boston*

Re: [CTRL] 'Waco' Producer: WACO Lesson unlearned (fwd)

1999-04-20 Thread Paul Argent


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To anyone who has seen "Terms of Engagement" i strongly recommend it as one
of the best documentary's i've ever seen.

For what it's worth a few comments on Waco:

Waco was not about religion, it was about non conformity. Branch Davidians
were non conformist in terms of their religion. Nevertheless, the issue
seems to be that modern western society is unable to deal with individuals
who are different or espouse unconventional beliefs, whether religious,
political or social.

Any comments welcome.

Paul


At 06:37  20/04/99 -0400, you wrote:
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Subject: 'Waco' Producer: Lesson unlearned (fwd)


=
 WorldNetDaily.com (APRIL 20, 1999)
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 'Waco' producer: Lesson
 unlearned
 Public remains ambivalent after
 six years

 By Jon E. Dougherty
 (c) 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

 When producer Dan Gifford was
 making his documentary film, "Waco:
 The Rules of Engagement," two
 things never entered his mind. First,
 he didn't know the film -- hailed as
 one of the most complete
 documentaries of the April 19, 1993,
 incident -- would ever be nominated
 for an Academy Award. Second, he
 never thought the film would be met
 with such "bipartisan" ambivalence.

 Even now, six years after the
 incident, Gifford says the nation is
 no closer to understanding the causes
 and effects of what happened in
 Waco, and he believes that because of
 that lack of understanding it is likely
 such incidents will repeat themselves
 in the future.

 "Whether you're considered a left
 winger or a right winger, both sides
 share many of the same feelings
 about what happened there," Gifford
 said during an interview. "Both sides
 see the film as a major piece of
 propaganda, period."

 "People really haven't learned much
 of anything from it," he added.

 The Waco tragedy was sparked by an
 FBI-led assault on a religious group
 known as the Branch Davidians after
 a 51-day siege. David Koresh, who
 died in the ensuing firestorm that
 engulfed the entire community,
 headed the group, numbering 83
 men, women and children. After the
 assault, many people asserted that
 the government intentionally
 planned, then botched, the raid on
 the Davidians, then attacked and
 killed them to cover up their
 initial mistake.

 Gifford was sufficiently curious by
 the accusations, so he set out to
 discover exactly what happened for
 himself. "Waco: The Rules of
 Engagement" was the result of his
 efforts, in which he concluded after
 making the film that the government
 attack theory was indeed correct.

 "The government set up to murder
 these people, no question about it,"
 Gifford said. He compared it to
 ancient times, "when the Romans
 would follow believers of Jesus into
 the desert and kill them after they
 gathered to hear the prophecy."

 "Quite simply today, as it was then,
 most Americans seem frightened of
 people who espouse deep religious
 beliefs and convictions," he said. "In
 short, if you believe wholeheartedly
 in God, you're a crazy who 'ought to
 be killed,' according to many people
 who have spoken to me about the
 film."

 Gifford says the media and the
 government are largely responsible
 for that attitude, purposefully
 creating a daunting stereotype of
 Christians and practitioners of
 Judaism.

 "I'm not a church-goer myself," he
 said, "but I see this truth
 nonetheless."

 The film, which was edited for
 viewing on HBO, depicts
 never-before-seen videotaped
 accounts of what Gifford said were
 U.S. and British military special
 forces personnel "invited by the
 federal government to 'observe'" the
 handling of the situation. It also
 contains videotape shot by Davidians

[CTRL] What Should I Destroy? Tractors?


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   www.serbia-info.com/news
   F-16 pilot: What should I destroy? Tractors?
   April 19, 1999

   Executed Albanian civilians
   Belgrade, April 18 (Tanjug)- Radio-TV Serbia (RTS) late Saturday ran a
   taped conversation between an AWACS crew and the F-16 pilot who last
   week targeted a column of ethnic-Albanian refugees, massacring 75
   civilians.

   The conversation, which was followed by the massacre of refugees, went
   on as follows:

   F-16 pilot: Good day. Charlie here. I am on position 10. No movements
   below. Request information about red MIGs.

   AWACS: Charlie Bravo, Mother here. Patrol towards northwest, direction
   Prizren, Djakovica. No red MIGs in the air.

   F-16 pilot: O.K. I am going to 3,000 feet.

   AWACS: Mother to Charlie Bravo. You are getting a reinforcement in 10
   minutes. There will be something interesting south of Djakovica.

   F-16 pilot: Charlie Bravo to Mother. I am coming out of the clouds.
   Still don't see anything.

   AWACS: Mother to Charlie Bravo. Keep on going north, course 280.

   F-16 pilot: Charlie Bravo to Mother. I maintain 3,000 feet. A column
   of cars, some tractors are below me. What is it? Request instructions.

   [INLINE]

   AWACS: Mother to Charlie Bravo. Do you see tanks? Repeat, where are
   tanks?

   F-16 pilot: Charlie Bravo to Mother. I see tractors. I hope Reds have
   not camouflaged tanks into tractors.

   AWACS: Mother to Charlie Bravo. What kind of a strange convoy? What
   civilians? Hell. It's all Serbian doing. Destroy the target!

   F-16 pilot: Charlie Bravo to Mother. What shall I destroy, tractors,
   ordinary cars? Repeat, I see no tanks. Request further instructions.

   AWACS: Mother to Charlie Bravo. It is a military target. Absolutely
   legitimate military target. Destroy the target! Repeat, destroy the
   target!

   F-16 pilot: Charlie Bravo to Mother. Understood. Launching!

   At the end of the conversation, the pilot code-named Charlie Bravo
   launched missiles which killed 75 ethnic-Albanian refugees.

   [INLINE]

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[CTRL] [Fwd: Truth chokes on the fog of war]

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:33:58 GMT
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The refugees

Truth chokes on the fog of war

by Tony Allen-Mills Tetovo, Macedonia

AT THE Red Cross office near the Turkish bazaar in Tetovo, Kucu was
struggling to get his story straight. The Serbian army had attacked
Kotlina at 5am and driven all the young Albanian men out of the
village, he said. They had watched in horror from the forest as the
women and children were loaded into lorries and driven off towards
Kacanik, 30 miles south of Pristina. Then the Serbs had burnt the
village.

That was not quite the version that Kucu's friend, Enes, related to a
different Red Cross worker a few minutes later. The Serbs had herded
the older Albanian men into the woods, Enes said. The younger men had
run away. It was 5pm - not 5am - when the Serbs had burnt the village.
Then the fugitive Albanians had walked through the night for 20 miles
to the Macedonian border. They had crossed the Sar Planina mountains
to register as refugees from the war that had destroyed their homes.

It sounded a sadly familiar tale of Serbian mayhem, but a Red Cross
volunteer exchanged a glance with a Macedonian interpreter. "These men
don't look as though they have walked 20 miles," she said, staring
pointedly at Kucu's spotless white running shoes. "They look as though
they arrived by Mercedes."

The unusually dapper would-be refugees were not the only sign last
week that all is not what it seems in the latest western attempt to
impose order on Balkan chaos. A conflict promoted in Washington,
London and elsewhere as a crusade against a despot looks a lot more
complicated to those who live within earshot of exploding Tomahawk
missiles.

To be sure, many of the refugees arriving from Kosovo had sinister
stories to tell of Serbian barbarity. Some spoke of relatives
murdered, of random executions and of groups of ethnic Albanians being
led away at gunpoint.

However, not everyone reaching Macedonia had encountered a genocidal
Serb. Many had been scared from their homes not by Milosevic's
marauding troops, but by the threat of Nato attacks. Others, like the
well dressed Albanians, had motives that were hard to fathom through
the centuries-old fog of Balkan intrigue and deceit.

In Tetovo, there was speculation that the Kotlina Albanians had fallen
foul of their own side. Reports reaching Skopje have suggested that
the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), the underdog resistance unit of
Albanian separatist guerrillas, is not always as heroic as it is
sometimes portrayed.

The KLA has been accused in the past of forcibly conscripting Kosovo
Albanian men into its ranks. Serbian officials have accused it of
attacking its own villages if local men refuse to join up.

There were so many discrepancies in the stories of Kucu and his
friends last week that Red Cross officials declared it impossible to
know the truth about the supposed burning of Kotlina. The men might
have been victims of Serbian aggression; they might have skipped town
to avoid being drummed into KLA uniforms. These are the kind of Balkan
conundrums that are rarely solved by B52 bombers.

Nor was there much fodder for Nato propagandists among the 200 or so
refugees waiting to register at a Skopje district police station early
on Friday. Mirvei, a tall Albanian woman clutching her four-month-old
baby, looked bewildered when asked if Serbian troops had driven her
out. "There were no Serbs," she said. "We were frightened of the
bombs."

Hunched uncomfortably together on a kerb, an exhausted pair of elderly
Albanian Kosovars puffed wearily on Turkish cigarettes as their
Macedonian niece launched into a tirade - not against vicious Serbian
oppression, but against the "cowardly" immigration policies of the
West.

Her 86-year-old uncle, Ajredien, and his wife, Celebija, 78, had a son
and grandchildren living in America and other children in Holland,
Switzerland and France. All four countries had refused the elderly
couple visas. Resigned to their plight in Kosovo, they had abandoned
their home in Gnjilane only when Nato bombs began to fall.

By contrast, Shaban Latifi told the kind of story that last week
encouraged Tony Blair to label Milosevic a "vile dictator". Latifi
stumbled into the Tetovo Red Cross office on Friday and slumped on a
step in the muddy garden. He was there for hours before the
Albanian-Macedonian interpreter had time to listen to his story.
Clutching a wooden walking stick and a blue sponge bag, Latifi, 76,
related in a croaking voice how the Serbian army had swept through the
village of Ajrodila, near Pristina.

"In half an hour they killed 38 people," he said. His wife and four
grown-up children were murdered. The Serbs spared Latifi,

Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Fw: End Arbitrary Access to the VotingBooth!]


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Scott Brown wrote:

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 Bob Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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  In a message dated 4/15/99 9:24:43 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   YIKES!!!
 
   Don't these laws apply to all the races?
 
   Instead of changing the laws, Blacks can avoid becoming criminal
   felons.
 
   Now there's a radical concept.
 
   Joshua2 
 
  I agree.  Maybe here is something that will open a few eyes to the "justice"
  system.
   In 1986-87 I was called to jury duty.  I was called to a case and the
  lawyers began to question us about the case, our opinions etc.  The DA said
  he wanted me dismissed from the case because I was active duty military and
  not a permanent resident of Colorado Springs.  This gave me a case of the ass
  because the guy sitting next to me was acceptable even though he was a
  convicted felon.  Just another way that a military person is discriminated
  against while a criminal is given privileges.  The ACLU is a shitty
  organization with a sinister agenda ... giving criminals the right to vote
  ... don't we have enough criminals in the State legislatures and Washington
  DC?  When I went to the ACLU about discriminatory hiring practices at DIGITAL
  (now out of business) they were very rude ... they more or less said that a
  white male couldn't be a victim of discrimination, but then again they don't
  consider affirmative action as discriminatory.
 
  Regards,
  Bob Stokes

 Your logic is faulty, both of you.

Well Bob Stokes' logic may be faulty, but mine is not.

The reason there are disproportionate numbers of non-white people in jails and in 
prisons is because they are targeted, and in a large number of cases they are 
innocent.

This is such bullshit. I don't know how many are innocent and neither
do you?
No one holds a gun to someone's head and makes them commit crimes. The
criminals
choose to rob, steal, burgle, sell drugs, and kill because it's easier
than
working for low pay. It's a good choice if they don't get busted or
dead. It's
a bad career move if they do. Generally speaking they are not too
smart.

This argument that criminals do not deserve the basic rights as everyone else is 
disgusting.

Not at all. When they harm another human, they don't respect the
rights of their
victem to live peacefully and without fear. It's only just that they
too loose
their rights granted by the society at large if that's what the
society wishes
to do.

First many that are convicted are innocent just as many who are executed are in fact 
innocent.

Actually every one in prison is innocent. Just ask them.

Secondly there is a thing called rehabilitation, and even though the system itself 
does nothing to rehabilitate people, many reform in spite of the mechanisms that 
attempt to prevent that.

Actually that's not true either. There is a very high rate of
recidivism. Most of
your palls wind up in prison two and three times. They are of course
innocent each
time they get busted and convicted.

Joshua2

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[CTRL] Clinton? Lie? About ground troops? Never!


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Today 4/18/99 on Sam $ Cokie's gab fest, Mad Albright denied that there is
preperation for inserting ground troops. -- J2

===

WASHINGTON, Apr. 16 -  Senator James M. Inhofe (R-Okla.), chairman of the
Senate Armed Services Subcommittee on Readiness, said today that the
deployment of ground troops into the Yugoslavian combat zone has already
begun, despite denials from the White House that the administration is even
contemplating such a move.

For all practical purposes, the debate about ground troops is over,
Inhofe said. As I predicted months ago, and as I warned at the outset of
the air campaign, President Clinton has always wanted U.S. ground troops in
Kosovo, they always knew that air power alone would not work, and now the
initial deployments are going on as we speak.

The announcements this week, that 4,800 soldiers are being dispatched to
staging areas in Albania to support our Apache helicopters and that up to
33,000 guard and reserve troops are being activated, tell the story.

Why are all these 4800 troops going in?," Sen. Inhofe asks.  "Not simply
to fly the Apaches that are being deployed. A typical Apache battalion
numbers fewer than 400 troops. So why are the other 4,000 and more troops
there? Because this is a dangerous environment, with no support
infrastructure, that poses great risk to our forces on the ground. Indeed,
the President this week declared Albania and other areas surrounding Kosovo
as an official combat zone for military pay purposes. And I am convinced
this is only the beginning."

In my judgment, this deployment is not only a mistake, it a clear
violation of the law. The Roberts Amendment to the Defense Appropriations
Bill specifically prohibits such troop deployments to Albania and other
named countries in the Balkans before a series of conditions are met and
notices are given to the Congress. This provision has not been fully
complied with regarding the troop transfers with the Apaches.

Inhofe emphasized that this troop deployment and the combat zone
designation were ordered this week directly by the President in his role as
Commander-in-Chief. These actions were taken during the very week the
President maintained in public statements that he has no intention to
deploy ground troops.

Inhofe said this kind of deception and dishonesty continues to undermine
the Presidents credibility with the public and with other countries
throughout the world.

Inhofe expressed concern for the safety and welfare of U.S. troops and
emphasized that his statements today were motivated solely by a concern
that the deployments to the Yugoslavian theater would serve to weaken the
militarys ability to defend America and Americas truly vital security
interests around the world.

(http://www.senate.gov/%7Einhofe/pr041699.html)


I posted this a little while back. -- j2
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4/11/99

I don't believe this scenario (below) at all. This is all show biz.
If the point of this NATO aggression is to break off another piece of
Yugoslavia and insert NATO occupation forces into the Balkans, then
ground forces are the linchpin of this plan. The differences are over
WHEN ground troops will take part and not whether they will.

They have been waiting for public opinion to catch up with the
propaganda. That has now happened and Clinton is ready to be
" convinced " to use ground troops. The CFR/NWO packed Congress
will make it easy to send Americans to kill and die for the New World
Order. This crazy situation turns the concept of patriotism on its
head. The American government is drumming up patriotic feelings in the
general population to send Americans abroad to fight a non-American
war.

The entire operation is illegal, immoral, and unconstitutional. DON'T
BE SUCKERED IN BY WHAT LOOKS LIKE PATRIOTISM. They are NOT fighting
for America or America's interests. They are NATO. NATO IS NOT
AMERICA!
NON- Americans are making military decisions for American military
personnel and equipment.

Protest the aggressive and illegal war against Yugoslavia. This is not an
issue of Left or right. It is patriotic and moral to stop the New
World Order from destroying independent countries who wish to be free of the
New World Order and that includes many Americans.

GET NATO OUT OF YUGOSLAVIA.
GET THE U.S. OUT OF NATO.

Joshua2
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[CTRL] NATO/US Ordered Civilian Massacre?


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   www.serbia-info.com/news
   Bill Clinton demands dismissal of Wesley Clark
   April 18, 1999

   NATO massacred the Albanian civilians on the way back to their h

   According to the well informed sources from the White House, Albania
   has many problems with the refugees form Kosovo and Metohija and their
   discontent with the status and position they are in. They are facing
   the contagious diseases and dying of the elder people. Western
   Alliance member-states are especially concerned with the greater
   influence of Ibrahim Rugova to the refugee complex, manifested openly
   in their wish to return to their left homes in Kosovo and Metohija,
   those sources say.

   According to the mentioned sources from the White House, the convoy of
   the Albanian refugees who decided to return to their homes was
   targeted on purpose due to the two reasons:

   - To make everybody clear that there will be no returning because that
   is not in accordance with the determined NATO strategy

   - To blame the Serbian military and police forces of that crime,
   together with the adequate media campaign

   The sources continue in saying that William Coen, USA defense minister
   asked Wesley Clark, NATO commander in Europe to personally choose a
   pilot who would carry out this particular order and action. As Coen
   says, big mistake was done, because the pilot who was to attack the
   refugee convoy did not do it without notice by the other pilots who
   took part in the military actions on Kosmet that day. The name of this
   pilot is kept top secret.

   It is known that he is a member of the Holland army, prepared and
   trained in the military bases of the USA.

   Allegedly, as the same source say, after the massacre carried out on
   the Albanian refugees, American President Bill Clinton demanded an
   immediate dismissal of Wesley Clark, but this demand of his was
   covered up because of the political reasons.

   Besides everything, NATO stays loyal to its determined goals and
   tasks.



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Re: [CTRL] 'Waco' Producer: WACO Lesson unlearned (fwd)

1999-04-20 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn


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In a message dated 04/20/1999 8:10:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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 Waco was not about religion, it was about non conformity. Branch Davidians
 were non conformist in terms of their religion. Nevertheless, the issue
 seems to be that modern western society is unable to deal with individuals
 who are different or espouse unconventional beliefs, whether religious,
 political or social. 

Absolutely right, and especially when you are considering how government
beauracrats think.  You could have an idea that would cure cancer, but it it
didn't fit the form required, hang it up.  Anyone who doesn't fit the current
pattern is in deep trouble.  It's kind of like living in a small town before
WWII.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Serbian Cartoonist: BLACK CLOUD

1999-04-20 Thread Mack White

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From: "Aleksandar Zograf" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: BLACK CLOUD
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:28:41 +0200
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Sasa Rakezic
P.F.163
26000 Pancevo
Yugoslavia /Serbia/
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April 19th 1999

Hello!
I am still trying to forget the "big blast" over Pancevo, two nights
before. It is reported that it was seen in town of Cacak, which is 200 km
from here... And the nearest plant which was bombed could be only about 700
meters from our home...Can you imagine all those bombs , thrown on several
industrial plants (with explosive materials etc.), exploding at the same
time?
By the way, the Oil Refinery is still burning, two days after bombing. I
can see the flame tall as a building...And the big black cloud of smoke
coming out of it.
Yesterday, the black smoke was enormous, visible in Belgrade (about 17 km
from Pancevo) as well. It must have been several kilometers long; we tryed
to make a photo, but it wasn't possible without some moving panoramic
camera or something.
Gordana and I went to a grave yard, which could be some 4 or 5 kilometers
from the Oil Refinery, and we were able to see the layers of soot on the
surface of tomb-stones. At the same location, I saw a small white object
falling from the sky. At first I thought that it could be a so-called
"locator", a pocket radio divice launched from NATO aircrafts, which serves
in the process of navigation of missiles (I think. I told you I don't know
too much about those things). It usually have a small parachute as well,
and these devices were very often found in the fields around town...
Anyway, when I came closer to observe the thing, it turned out to be a
piece of foam , which probably was cerried by the wind all the way from Oil
Refinery. Firemen were using the foam to controll the fire...
Yesterday, they were also getting read of the unexploded bombs at some
location near Belgrade. There were many cases of unexploded missiles, found
on most bizarre places.
Speaking of bizarre, one of the most peculiar cases happened two nights
before, during the bombing of Batajnica, near Belgrade. After the bomb
exploded, it launched  small metal pieces hurting five people, and one
piece crashed through the small window of the bathroom in a near-by house,
and killed a three year old girl inside!
Until next time
Sasa

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[CTRL] OEN 4/20/99


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Fin-de-Siecle

Corzine Seeks Buyout of Long-Term Capital Management

"Do you take this whore to be your lawfully purchased bride?"


Jon Corzine, current co-chairman of Goldman Sachs, has linked up with
John Meriwether and other original partners of Long-Term Capital
Management to explore ways of buying out the financial services
consortium controlling the hedge fund.


In recent weeks Mr Corzine, Mr Meriwether and the partners have been
approaching potential backers about raising funds for a buy-out of LTCM,
whose near bankruptcy brought turmoil to the world's equity and bond
markets last year.


The fund raising moves are said to be at an early stage but follow a
strong improvement in LTCM's investment performance since the $3.625bn
bail-out organised by a Wall Street consortium last October. Mr Corzine,
who played a key role in organising the bail-out, is due to leave
Goldman once it has become a publicly quoted company this year.


Mr Corzine declined to comment, as did a spokesman for LTCM's original
partners. No spokesman for the consortium could be reached for comment.


Mr Corzine and the LTCM partners are thought to be considering setting
up a new organisation to raise the money to buy out the consortium.
"They are quietly going around asking a few people their reaction to
it," said one individual approached.


The new organisation would be run jointly by Mr Meriwether and Mr
Corzine. LTCM specialises in so-called convergence investing, and the
new organisation is likely to continue with that style of investing.
Before he became the senior partner of Goldman Mr Corzine ran the firm's
fixed income business.


Members of the consortium are said to have been told about the fund
raising efforts through a letter from Goldman making clear that Mr
Corzine is acting in a personal capacity.


Mr Corzine is also known to be considering running for the US Senate and
has been approached by Democratic leaders in New Jersey, where he lives.
They want him to replace Sen Frank Lautenberg, who is due to retire.


Mr Corzine lost out in a power struggle at Goldman this year, moving
aside to enable Hank Paulson to become the bank's sole chairman. Last
month LTCM disclosed that it had halved its risk and balance sheet
exposure and boosted returns since being rescued. At the time the
consortium declined to give specific details about the fund's total
continuing exposure or what types of trades they had carried out to
reduce its risk and balance sheet positions. It also declined to give
the current net asset value.

The Financial Times, April 20, 1999


World Finance

SP: Credit Quality is Deteriorating Worldwide

Duh.


A growing number of the world's financial systems are weakening in the
face of excessive credit growth and falling asset prices, according to
an analysis by credit rating agency Standard  Poor's. Credit quality is
deteriorating in 24 of the 61 countries monitored regularly by SP, an
increase of almost a third since its last report on financial system
stress in October.


Financial system strength is a key concern of international policymakers
in the wake of the crises in Asia, Russia and Latin America over the
last two years.


Brazil, Colombia, Ireland, Latvia, Norway, Oman, Romania, Turkey and the
United Arab Emirates have all been added to the list of weakening
financial systems since last autumn. But Chile has been taken off the
list because of a modest decline in domestic credit relative to gross
domestic product.


The report said that visible signs of weakness were now evident in nine
countries: China, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Hong Kong, Japan,
Malaysia, the Philippines, Romania and the Slovak Republic. Other
apparently robust systems are also vulnerable, including Brazil, Greece,
Turkey and the US.


"Some of these systems' fundamentals are so poor that half of their
assets may become problematic, for others decline will be relatively
mild," the report said.


Most of the financial systems identified by SP are under pressure
because of unsustainable aggregate credit growth or are vulnerable
because of a marked shift in their external position. Others show signs
of worsening fundamentals or eroding franchise value because the
government is crowding out private credit.


SP looks at a number of leading indicators of financial stress,
focusing on credit growth, corporate and household indebtedness,
asset-price inflation and external funding of financial institutions.
But the indicators do not reflect other factors that can prompt a
liquidity crisis, including rigid exchange rate regimes, high inflation,
a history of confiscatory action on bank deposits or reliance on flows
of capital that are sensitive to shifts in confidence.


Many countries have seen credit rise relative to the size of their
economy over recent years. In the US, credit as a share of GDP has

[CTRL] NATO expected to decide on ground invasion at summit

1999-04-20 Thread Bill Richer


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NATO expected to decide on ground invasion at summit


By Steve Rodan
SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
Tuesday, April 20, 1999

NATO is expected to decide during its summit in Washington this weekend to
prepare for a ground invasion of Kosovo, a senior European official said.

The official, who did not want to be identified, said increasing pressure is
being placed on the United States and Britain for an invasion of Kosovo over
the next month in an attempt to "get this whole thing over with." The
official said NATO members on the European continent are concerned that their
economies would be damaged should NATO's bombing campaign continue through
the summer.

In addition, the official said, NATO's allies in the Balkans, such as
Macedonia and Croatia, want the campaign to end. Both countries have granted
air rights to NATO planes on their way to bombing missions in Yugoslavia.

"From a humanitarian point of view, the support continues for the NATO
operation," the official said. "But from the strategic point of view in terms
of the future of Yugoslavia, there is more and more concern. That's why
everybody would like this to end as soon as possible, even if it means a
ground attack."

The official said NATO can no longer insist on less than a capitulation of
Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic. He said if Milosevic obtains an
unconditional ceasefire he will hail this as the "greatest victory in Serbian
history."

About 12,000 NATO troops are currently in Macedonia. NATO Secretary General
Javier Solana reiterated that the alliance has no plans to invade Yugoslavia.
But he added, "If the moment comes when it is necessary I'm sure the
countries that belong to NATO will be ready to do it."

On Sunday, the British newspaper Observer reported that NATO is making plans
for a ground invasion of Kosovo as early as the end of May. The newspaper
reported that about 80,000 troops have been allocated for the mission.

The Observer said American troops have begun training in Colorado as part of
a plan to complete NATO's operations in Yugoslavia by July. A NATO source
told the newspaper, "We are no longer talking about simply sending
peacekeeping troops into an entirely permissive environment."

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[CTRL] Government is a Quack Faith-Healer


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from:
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A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.16/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City
Times - Volume 3 Issue 16
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April 19, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 16
Editor  Chief: Emile Zola

Government is a Quack Faith-Healer

by Wolf DeVoon


Humans exist in perfect freedom. Obedience is a choice. Government is
therefore an illusion.

The evidence isn't hard to gather, and it requires no special twist of
language, no cognitive somersault. Just pick up the telephone and summon
a policeman to attend a crime in progress (robbery, rape, murder,
kidnapping). Good luck getting help in time. Nor is it clever to claim
that the state's protection exists in a more diffuse, but efficacious
realm beyond the average response time of emergency services. In any
public street, the law is observed by its citizenry without police. Los
Angeles has 7,000 cops and 7 million citizens. The LAPD are garbage
collectors in fancy uniforms, picking up the dead and praying that the
rest of us will argue quietly. Our dwellings are rendered safe from fire
by homeowners and tenants, employing nothing more coercive than an
individual desire to survive. All instrumentalities of community
protection and public welfare existed first as private, voluntary
organizations (constabularies, fire brigades, libraries, schools,
hospitals) before dilettantes and ward-healers proposed that a
bureaucracy should monopolize and run them badly. The historical origins
of governments were neither rational nor provident. In every instance,
ancient and modern, sovereigns were created by plunder and a fairy tale
of divine right (British Empire), a crackpot theory of destiny (USSR),
or a bad bargain improvised under duress (U.S.A.) Any student of the
U.S. Constitution can see through the myth of glory: the Virginia Plan
was a recipe for Civil War.

Noam Chomsky wants government to thwart "evil predators." Robert Nozick
fears competition. Hobbes, von Mises, and Ayn Rand hail the state as a
champion of the weak, a bulwark of liberty. Burke sighs that the
established order of ermine and tithes is comfortable; all innovation a
threat.

Phooey! Their theoretical defense of an illusion makes no donut
disappear from a cop's mouth, no soldier more likely to question his
orders, no real evil less vicious. Government is the sole, permanent
source of repression and waste. It does not exist of necessity, but
rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy,
opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to
shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be
exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms. It is daft to
moan about crime. Government cannot stop a thief, a lunatic, or a kid
playing with matches. It took the Nazis twenty years to flatter and
frighten the German nation into collective obedience -- and still
someone shoved a bomb under the Fuhrer's conference table. The state
does not and cannot triumph by coercion. Ayn Rand was correct: "Evil
requires the sanction of the victim."

During the war, German factory owners wheedled endlessly to avoid losing
skilled Jewish workers. Twenty percent of all Nazi munitions were duds,
sabotaged on the assembly line. The greatest tragedy of the Holocaust
was the role of Jewish Councils, who collaborated with and made possible
the systematic transportation of innocents. In 1935, SS troops only
numbered in the hundreds, not tens of thousands. Jews were ordered to
emigrate from Nazi Germany. It is an uncomfortable fact, but the state
at its worst and most triumphal was incapable of genocide without the
passive compliance of its intended victims. In Soviet Russia, the only
tyrant was not Stalin; it was millions of citizens who chanted slogans
and perished as a consequence of their own folly. Thirty million British
trade unionists, doctors, butchers, bakers and candlestick makers
democratically cut their own economic throats in the 1970s with the same
Marxist slogans. Harold Wilson did not "force" them into penury, and
Margaret Thatcher did not "force" the British to wake up and smell the
bank statements. We the people do these things to and for ourselves.

In fact and in reality, we are ungoverned and ungovernable. I defy
anyone to name a single instance of governmental action that succeeded
in achieving its intended outcome. Above all, please don't tell me that
you filed an honest tax return, or that you know someone who did. No
public work was raised without delay, confusion, cost overrun, graft, or
outright disaster as a final consequence. Every morning, the state
mangles reason and justice to perform simple tasks that private actors
(a) would not undertake because the project is stupid; or (b) could do
faster, cheaper, and better than government; or (c) are implicitly
required to do anyway, since the state has no

[CTRL] Voyage from Yesteryear - a book review


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Editor  Chief: Emile Zola

Voyage from Yesteryear

a book review by Don Lobo Tiggre

Voyage From Yesteryear, by James P. Hogan, has long been one of the
books Ive most wanted to see reissued.

This classic of modern SF has prompted many intellectuals to wrangle
over whether its an argument for anarchy or whether the economic system
depicted could actually work. Those are interesting questions, but the
main value of the book is its detailed depiction of a truly free
society. This book is the answer to people who just cannot bend their
minds around the idea that things could be different. Voyage doesnt
prove anything, but its an interesting, exciting, and effective tool
for prying open a mind that has been rusted shut. It can be the first
stepping stone for a real voyage of discovery.

How?

Well, consider the premise: saber-rattling has people worried about the
prospects for the survival of life on earth, but theres no time to send
out full-blown colony ships before things are expected to blow up, so a
single seedship is launched. The ship finds a habitable planet, Chiron,
and starts incubating embryos while robots go down to the surface and
start up mining and manufacturing facilities. Many years pass and Earth
fails to bomb itself back into the stone age.

The Chironians develop a peaceful and free society, where "war" is a
word only known from old history tapes of Earth. They dont even bother
creating a government. Of course, the new fascist governments of Earth
are not content to leave the Chironians (or the valuable resources of
their planet) alone, so a second shipa huge habitat ship with thousands
of people on board, including an armyis sent to bring the childish and
naïve Chironians back under the "caring protection" of Earth.

And so the stage is set for a conflict between peoples, weapons, and
ultimately world-views. While the story is written with plenty of humor,
with characters wed like to meet in real life, battles in space, and
all the elements of a great SF epic, all of these things are merely the
means by which Jim Hogan entreats the reader to reconsider his or her
assumptions about society, economics, and even what it means to be human
in this universe.

Interestingly enough, and in spite of the heroic Chironians never having
invented government on their planet, Jim does not call himself an
anarchist. He refers to himself as a Jeffersonian. Hes also referred to
himself as "something of a lapsed anarchist" in conversation, which may
explain the decidedly anarchistic content of Voyage, which was first
published 17 years ago. Jim says that he now believes that there must be
some form of ultimate authority in society, a place where the buck
stops, or order collapses and bloody chaos ensues.

Also, Jim has never been as supportive of pure capitalism (which he says
isnt what most people think it is) as, say, an Objectivist would be,
and that does show in the economic questioning in Voyage. Jims stories
vary widely in their intellectual content, some of them containing quite
explicit examinations of social, political, and economic issues, and
others seeming to have almost none. However, every single one of them
has a strong undercurrent of general laissez-faire philosophy, even if
it only shows in the attitudes the heroes have about life.

The libertarian reader should therefore not read Voyage expecting to
come away from it thinking, "what a great libertarian writer!" Thats
not the value Im saying the book holds, even though it is a past winner
of the Libertarian Futurist Societys Prometheus Award. Instead, I
suggest that readers think of Voyage From Yesteryear as being like a
nut-cracker for hard cases who are so used to seeing things only as they
are now that no idealism, no willingness to dare to dream of a better
world, no hope for the future can enter their minds.

This is why Im so glad that Jim Baen has released a new edition of this
long out-of-print masterpiece. First released in 1982, by Del
Rey/Ballantine, Voyage From Yesteryear sold fairly well and went into a
second printing in 1983. By then, Hogan had attracted attention with his
pro-reason Code of the Lifemaker and anti-war The Genesis Machine, and
had established himself as more than just a story-tellerthis was a guy
whose stories made people really think!

One thing that may surprise some readers whove heard about Jim Hogans
political inclinations, but havent yet read any of his books, is the
amount of actual science in Voyage and his other science fiction novels.
Many Sci-Fi readers complain that the genre has decayed greatly over the
years to where most new so-called Sci-Fi novels are really fantasy

[CTRL] Liberty's Structure: an interview with Randy Barnett


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Editor  Chief: Emile Zola

Liberty's Structure: an interview with Randy Barnett

by Alberto Mingardi


Randy E. Barnett is the Austin B. Fletcher Professor at Boston
University School of Law. Before entering teaching, he served as a
criminal prosecutor for the Cook County State's Attorney's Office in
Chicago, Illinois where he tried many felony cases.

Professor Barnett's research covers a wide variety of subjects with
emphasis on the roles of consent in contract law, unenumerated rights in
constitutional theory, restitution in criminal justice, and the
importance of natural rights and liberty.

His latest work, The Structure of Liberty: Justice and the Rule of Law,
is a great opus containing solutions to many of the problems encountered
in libertarian philosophy. The book presents a powerful case for a
system of natural rights and private justice. It starts from a
"post-Hayekian" and consequentialist (but not utilitarian) point of
view, and addresses three key areas: the problems of knowledge, the
problems of power, and the problems of interest.

With a solid base in the libertarian tradition--from his "spiritual
father" Murray Rothbard to Lysander Spooner (in whom he is very
interested)--Barnett is not only one of the best young libertarian
scholars, but also "one of us."

You can find more information about The Structure of Liberty at Randy
Barnetts web page at http://www.bu.edu/rbarnett/.





My first question concerns Bruno Leoni, a scholar from my own country
with whom I think you are acquainted. What is your opinion of Leoni's
opus, Freedom and the Law?

Freedom and the Law was a powerful and influential work that, along with
writings by Hayek, helped keep the flame of [classical] liberalism and
liberty alive during its darkest days (as did the spirited Leoni
himself). Though I read it as a law student and was inspired by it then,
I did not rely upon it in writing The Structure of Liberty primarily
because, for all its virtues, it is rather unsystematic in its nature,
and I was attempting to provide a structure to the subject that had
previously been lacking.

Natural Law Ethics vs. Natural Rights: can you please explain the
difference to our readers?

Natural law ethics are the principles that result from the study of how
we should live our lives, given the nature of human beings and the world
in which we find ourselves. Natural rights are the principles that
result from the study of how people can pursue happiness, peace and
prosperity while living in society with others, given the nature of
human beings and the world in which we live. What we need is liberty to
make our own choices and natural rights provides the structure of that
liberty by distinguishing those freedoms we may rightfully exercise from
the freedom that represents impermissible license. In sum, natural law
ethics purports to tell us how to exercise the freedom that is defined
and circumscribed by natural rights.

Robert Nozicks account of the "immaculate conception" of the state was
published exactly 25 years ago. Does this book stil have any interest
for libertarians? Or has Nozick's hypothesis been destroyed by history?

Nozick's work served as the focal point of libertarian theory among
philosophers for 25 years. It has done a tremendous service to the cause
of liberty. But now we can and must do better. Anarchy State and Utopia
 suffered from two weaknesses. The first was the absence of any theory
of rights. It assumed rights existed and then considered the
implications of that assumption. Though brilliant, it was largely
reactive to the positions of others--primarily of Nozick's colleague
John Rawls. Second, and much less importantly, it purported to provide a
morally permissible route by which a monopoly law enforcement agency
could arise without violating rights. This argument was refuted at the
time by thoughtful libertarians (See vol. 1, issue 1 of the Journal of
Libertarian Studies). It has not fared any better in the interim. I
think it is time to move beyond Nozick and force statists to confront
other arguments on behalf of liberty than those they have been
mentioning for 25 years.

In a way, I view both Leoni's and Nozick's books as crucially important
transitional works that I was trying to supersede, and so I relied very
little on either in presenting a more systematic explication of the
Structure of Liberty.

What has been the influence of Murray Rothbard on your thinking?

Murray Rothbard had a great influence on me in many ways. First, as an
undergraduate, his writings--especially For a New Liberty--convinced me
more than any others

[CTRL] Next Target, the National ID Card


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Editor  Chief: Emile Zola

Next Target, the National ID Card

by Sunni Maravillosa


The FDICs "Know Your Customer" (KYC) proposal has been declared dead.
Much of the credit for that goes to the Libertarian Party. They
organized an education drive through traditional media and the Internet,
and set up an advocacy site specifically geared to the KYC proposal.
That site, www.DefendYourPrivacy.com, housed educational material, media
coverage of the proposal, an e-mail link to the FDIC for convenient
mailing of messages, and an online petition against the KYC proposal.
The New York Times, in its March 24 article "Flood of E-Mail Credited
With Halting U.S. Bank Plan," reports that 171,000 of the e-mail
comments the FDIC received came from the LPs advocacy site. That was
about 83 per cent of the e-mail traffic the FDIC received on the subje
ct. Also, about 140,000 individuals who visited the Defend Your Privacy
site signed up to receive other privacy-related information.

Congratulations to the Libertarian Party for its success in this effort.
KYC was a frighteningly Orwellian proposal that needed to be soundly
rejected by the American people. Its reassuring to know that happened,
but even more satisfying that it happened under the efforts of a group
that is truly pro-freedom. The LPs work on this issue shows that many
individuals do still value freedom. It also demonstrates that theres a
segment of the American population that isnt thoroughly sheepified, and
will resist such intrusions into privacy.

Wheres the Celebration?

The Libertarian Partys campaign also provided an opportunity to share
information about the freedom philosophy to large numbers of individuals
who demonstrated an openness to those ideas by visiting the Defend Your
Privacy web site and signing the petition. In addition, articles such as
the New York Times piece gave the LP something they have long been
seekingmainstream, positive coverage of libertarian values and actions.

Imagine my surprise, then, when I browsed their web site while
researching this essay, and found no mention of the KYC proposal, their
petition and e-mail campaign, or the New York Times article. I then
visited the Defend Your Privacy site, thinking that surely there would
be lots of attention given to the LPs success. But no although the
site does talk about the campaigns success and has media coverage,
everything was very understated. One needs to look closely at the bottom
of the home page to find mention of the Libertarian Party. If I were an
official in the national LP, that kind of success and coverage would be
given lots of attention in all the LP literaturee-mails, web sites, and
 print media. Instead, it looks like everyone has packed up the tents
and gone quietly home. The Defend Your Privacy site is now being used to
promote privacy-protecting legislation geared to keep KYC and similar
proposals from being adopted.

Its possible that I missed a lot of the fanfarealthough I doubt it, as
Im on discussion lists where the LPs press releases get regular
coverage, and have friends who regularly forward LP information to me.
Its also possible that they did make a big deal out of the news when it
was announced, and I visited the site too late to see the things I
expected. Still, it seems to me that the kind of attention the LP
received on this campaign would merit space on the web site on a
long-term basis, as an example of the effectiveness of grass-roots
activism in general and the LPs in particular.

In fact, I got to wondering what the Libertarian Party is doing with all
those names and e-mail addresses they collected, of individuals who
asked to be notified about privacy issues. Not being on that list, I
have no idea if theres been any follow-up, but it seems to me that if
the LP wants keep this roller coaster of activism and outreach going,
theres a natural follow-up target already in place: the National ID
card (NID).

The National ID Card

I did a search on the Libertarian Party web site for any reference to
the NID, and was disappointed by the results. There were two mentions:
one from an Alabama LP publication from 1998, and the second from the
national LP, dated 1995. Thats all the LP has to show on lawsnot mere
proposals, but laws that have already been passed and are being put into
placethat are designed to have every American citizen branded and
trackable from birth, as if individuals are the governments herd of
prime cattle.

The NID is an identification card that will be required of every adult
citizen of the US in order to conduct routine business. The authority
for the NID was granted to the federal Department of

[CTRL] The American Mind in Denial


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everyone they know that desperately need to read it. It is spreading all
over the net with blinding speed. Below is a special form where you
can add your own fuel to the fire. This message is sorely needed.

Special Guest Posting
by RLK

1/27/99 RLK

The American Mind in Denial

So-called conservatives, who should more properly be referred to as the
increasingly few remnants of sane people in this country, share a number
of similarities with the inmates of Auschwitz or similarities of
position of abused women.

In both cases there was and is a condition where people are forced to
treat insane and cynically dishonest arguments as if they were credible,
and treat the people making those arguments as if those people were
honest or were amenable to logic or moral suasion when it is not so.


Any attempts to negotiate with the SS, or with Himmler, or with Hitler
was an exercise in self delusion. Regardless of the rationality of
arguments presented, those arguments would be rejected. The
counter-arguments would be completely irrational, but there would be a
desperate need for development of more arguments and pleas by the
oppressed as if the Nazi counter-arguments were legitimately based in
reasoning.

This is the same condition we have at the present in America.


To begin with, we are facing a situation that is obvious and obviously
insane. Does anyone really believe that it is not, at the very least,
inappropriate for the president of this country to be receiving oral sex
in the Oval Office at the very moment he is on the phone arranging for
the American military to be sent to a war zone? Not on the sane side of
the boundary between sanity and profound mental disorder. But, the
evidence is clear that it happened and there is no denial of it by the
president. It is obvious that Bill Clinton lied to the American people
and the courts with an open defiance that approached contempt and
ridicule.


Bill Clinton's deceptions are not characterized as the masterful work of
superior intelligence. The stuff he is pulling is the type of stuff any
third grader would get slapped for. Any child could see the obvious lies
and manipulations. In fact, Bill Clinton's manipulations are based not
so much upon clever deception, but upon the unspoken confidence that no
one can, or will, now do anything about it.


In some respects Clinton is like the class clown who is supported by
other smirking students in a conspiracy to ridicule a hated teacher. In
this case Clinton was elected to ridicule a society and a philosophy of
mature responsibility that an infinitely rebellious and polarized
generation has hated since the 60s. The Clinton coalition is made up of
various alienated racial and cultural groups who elected him to
dramatize their hostility and rebellion. The more irrational and warped
the Clintons are, the more it serves that purpose.


There is no Clinton deception. There is no need for deception. The
Clinton lies are transparent and not utilized so much for deception but
to ridicule opposition's powerlessness within a concurrent message that
the time has arrived when the angry radicalism of the 60s has achieved
seniority. The Clinton lies are more an act of triumphant generational
sadism than deception. --And who other than the kid who 30 years ago
went to Moscow as a committed declaration of his support of those
seeking failure of the American effort in Viet Nam has better
credentials to lead the triumph?

... Bill Clinton is a somewhat charming manipulative narcissistic
psychopath who is capable of showmanship. Beneath the showmanship, over
a nearly 35 year period he has shown an infinite capacity to lie and
betray others without embarrassment. He has shown few other capacities
in any depth. Bill Clinton's present passing troubles are not, and
should not be looked upon, as having been the result of a relationship
with Monica Lewinsky, or even Paula Jones. The Bill Clinton problem is a
consistent pattern of remorseless predation, callousness, manipulation,
contempt, ridicule, hostility toward morality, and irresponsibility
going back more than 30 years of which the Jones and Lewinsky matters
are but a small symptom. In all the years of his adult, or nearly adult,
life, anyone associated with Bill Clinton has suffered or been betrayed.
That includes everyone from cabinet officials to his own daughter.


Perhaps both we, and Bill Clinton, should be introduced to the
previously unexplored concept that if one believes that criticism of, or
prohibitions against, oral penile and anal sexual stimulation with
comparative strangers in the Oval Office are an unbearable hardship,
then one really ought not campaign for the presidential office because
one doesn't really have the prerequisites in terms

[CTRL] internet censorship in china


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Subject: internet censorship in china
From: an asphodel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, Apr 20, 1999 4:08 AM
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We have tried to access several homepages hosted by free servers such as
Geocities, Tripod, Xoom from computers in Mainland China, but invariably fail.
We have asked some chinese people about it, and they said that haven't been
able to access those pages either.

Could it be because this kind servers are hosting material considered
'subversive' by the chinese government or because they allow anyone to build a
homepage and post their thoughts there?

Does anyone have a clue about how internet censorship works in China?

an asphodel

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Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
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Well I should have read more on Tesla; I just accepted the one page
report because I was looking for the MONSTERS who were tampering with
the weather causing one disaster after anotherand just like the war
in Serbia, Gore appears with "humanitarian" needs to rebuild..

I can see the picture now; his genius being used for evil
purposes.imagine if we had a man like Tesla today; no wonder they
feared his genius.

Anytime the oil companies get their hands on something, well even a few
assassinations can be tracked to their doors through their vicious
propaganda machines.

Colleen

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The principal terrorist threat in this country is Madam Albright, Janet
Reno, and William Jefferson Clinton.

These are the terrorists in our society from WACO to the Yugoslavian
areas.

Here our government is already arming up to quell any riots using full
force; but, remember now, they do not really want to hurt anybody.

The former head of the Intelligence at OSP and a bodygurad to the
Governor of Ohoi after Kent State, where three kids were gunned down by
the Ohio National Guardshowed me a little joke he had in his
billfoldmost of the force carried it around for laughsit read
simply:

Ohio National Guard   -  4
Kent State   -  0

Now that was the joke of the week, and the people who carried it were
part of a "watch" set on me, by the Governor and the
Teamsters.because I was held responsible for a story in Life
Magazine, called "The Govenor and the Mobster", which I did not
writepreviously I had collected some information, but that was
all..I made the mistake of trusting a friend with a big mouth

So, this is the mentality that reflects the mentality of the Butcher of
Waco Reno, the Butcher of the Balkans Albright, and the Coward of the
County, Clinton..bet they got out back to back these days and are
getting so paranoid that perhaps they should be put away in an
institituion before they do any more harm.

Colleen Walsh Jones

You see, Denny Walsh wrote the story re the Governor and the
Mobster..I just happened alone with the same information and police
record on same.

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[CTRL] [9] Treason in America -- From Aaron Burr to Averell Harriman


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Treason in America -- From Aaron Burr to Averell Harriman
ANTON CHAITKIN (C)1984
New Benjamin Franklin House
P. O. Box 20551
New York, New York 10023
ISBN 0-933488-32-7

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 excerpt from chapter 9:
*The opium-traders became "the boss" in Salem and Newburyport, in Essex
County, Massachusetts. In Salem, they formed the East India Society, which
held a "jollification" each year, parading through the streets in Chinese
costumes and artifacts, (18) to remind the local folks where the money was
coming from. The cult of the irrational, and the search for expressions of
feudalism and anti-industrialism in culture and politics, was a product of
this treasonous combination in Essex County.
Among the personalities originating within the womb of this treasonous
clique, from the city of Newburyport alone, were: Caleb Cushing; Cushing's
protege, Albert Pike; William Lloyd Garrison; Caleb Huse; and George Peabody.
The last-named was the founder of a gigantic banking firm in England, to
whose service he hired Junius and J. P. Morgan. When Peabody died, the firm
became the House of Morgan, and later moved to the U.S.A. The other
Newburyporters named, were all, each in their own particular role, architects
of the American Civil War. It is their story we are telling in these chapters
on the history of treason in America.*
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The Organization of Dope, Incorporated

On July 4, 1821, U.S. Secretary of State John Quincy Adams delivered an
address in Washington, D. C., a speech which was designed to prepare the
public for the issuance of the Monroe Doctrine, of which Adams was the
author. Adams identified the role of the United States as the model for the
world's republican movements, and as the scourge of the European oligarchy:

If the wise and learned philosophers of the elder world should . . . enquire
what has America done for the benefit of mankind? Let our answer be this:
America, with the same voice which spoke herself into existence as a nation,
proclaimed to mankind the inextinguishable rights of human nature, and the
only lawful foundations of government. America, in the assembly of nations,
since her admission among them, has invariably . . . held forth to them the
hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity. (1)

After reciting the Declaration of Independence, in this setting, he called it:

the first solemn declaration by a nation of the only legitimate foundation of
civil government. It was the cornerstone of a new fabric, destined to cover
the surface of the globe. It demolished at a stroke the lawfulness of all
governments founded upon conquest. It swept away all the rubbish of
accumulated centuries of servitude From the day of this Declaration, the
people of North America were no longer the fragment of a distant hemisphere,
imploring justice and mercy from an inexorable master in another
hemisphere They were a nation, asserting as of right, and maintaining by
war, its own existence. A nation was born in a day It stands ... a beacon
on the summit of the mountain, to which all the inhabitants of the earth may
turn their eyes for a genial and saving light . . . a light of salvation and
redemption of the oppressed.(2)

When the New England Federalist critics of Adams labeled this address of his
"tasteless," Adams rebuked them in a letter addressed to Edward Everett:

I demonstrated . . . from the moral and physical nature of man that colonial
establishments cannot fulfill the great objects of civil society
[This] demonstration . . . settles the justice of the present struggle of
South America for independence

It looks forward prospectively to the downfall of the British Empire in India
as an event which must necessarily ensue at no very distant period of time.

It anticipates a great question in the national policy of this Union which
may be nearer at hand than most of our countrymen are aware of: whether we
too shall annex to our federative government a great system of colonial
establishments. It points to a principle proving that such establishments are
but mighty engines of wrong, and that in the progress of social improvement
it will be the duty of the human family to abolish them, as they are now
endeavoring to abolish the slave-trade. (3)

The powerful financier-networks of the Venetian oligarchy, together with
their Anglo-Swiss junior partners, were determined to destroy the United
States from within, since this destruction could not be accomplished solely
by means of armed assault from without. The question was posed by this,
chiefly British, subversive effort: would the United States adhere to the
principles on which it had been established a constitutional republic? Would
this republic continue to be the champion of and model for the creation of
powerful alliances among sovereign republics in Asia, Africa, and
Ibero-America? Or, could the Venetian, Swiss, and British oligarchies'
combined efforts recapture control of the states

[CTRL] New World Order Uber Alles


 -Caveat Lector-

from:
http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.16/pageone.html
A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.16/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City
Times - Volume 3 Issue 16
/A
-
The Laissez Faire City Times
April 19, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 16
Editor  Chief: Emile Zola

New World Order Uber Alles

by Uri Dowbenko


As NATO leaders gather in Washington, D.C. on April 24 to celebrate the
50th anniversary of the alliance, the continued viability of an
organization rooted in the Cold War is being seriously questioned. With
the addition of Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic as new members,
it is clear that NATOs original anti-Communist role has been relegated
to the trashcan of history.

US officials are scrambling to create a new raison detre for the
continued existence of this dinosaur. So-called "peacekeeping" missions
and the supposed prevention of the spread of nuclear, biological and
chemical warfare have formed the rationale for public consumption.

Of course, the undeclared and illegal war in Kosovo is a textbook study
of the new modus operandi. Whatever the supposed hidden agenda of a
globalist cryptocracy may be, NATO has become the de facto army of a
"new world order" -- the iron fist in the velvet glove of a
intercontinental exercise of arbitrary power.

Following high-profile international muscle-flexing in Panama, Haiti,
Somalia, Iraq and Bosnia (
http://www.weu.int/institute/occasion/1andreat.htm), the militaristic
new world order has come out of the closet like gangbusters. Maybe even
multinational gangbangers. (Perhaps previous attempts to forge UN
"Peacekeepers" into obedient storm-troopers were deemed failures, and
thus NATO emerged as a more controllable and thus more efficient
substitute.)

Kiss Your Sovereignty Goodbye

Like the intellectual elites of the 1930s obsessed with National
Socialism (Naziism) or International Socialism (Communism), the current
version of internationalists are likewise paving their own road to a
globalist hell with good intentions.

Using the Hegelian model of history, first there was Capitalism
(thesis), then Communism (antithesis), and now theres the New World
Order, or Globalism (synthesis). The latter has risen from the ashes of
the Cold War and the formerly "competing" ideologies like a phoenix.

Globalism is the trendy philosophy for the new millennium. In his book
Megatrends 2000, Olympian futurist John Naisbitt calls it "free market
socialism" -- a hybrid economics that combines welfare state policies
with mega-corporate business on a global level.

Globalism, however, is also a secular religion with a dogma all its own.
Its primary belief system is the notion that the usefulness of the
nation-state is over, that national sovereignty is a thing of the past,
and that a one-world government is inevitable. National sovereignty --
and individual sovereignty for that matter -- is passe.

Zbigniew Brzezinski, former Columbia University professor, President
Carters former National Security advisor, and a founder of the
Trilateral Commission, has often been a mouthpiece for globalist views.
Speaking at the Gorbachev Foundations State of the World Forum in 1995,
he said "We cannot leap into world government in one quick step. [It]
requires a process of gradually expanding the range of democratic
cooperation." In plain language, he means that people must continually
be brainwashed until they accept the globalist "reality."

Eurocrat Jean-Marie Guehenno hints at global hegemony or one world
totalitarianism, calling it an "empire without an emperor." Guehenno
wrote The End of the Nation-State (1995) which was called La fin de la
democratie, or The End of Democracy in the original French version.
Since nation-states are obsolete, he claims, " wise men capable of
thinking through the finite world that has become our common lot" must
be entrusted to guide us into what he calls an "Imperial Age."
Presumably, Guehenno counts himself as one of the so-called "wise men"
who will rule the planet.

Such a collection of "wise men" can form a "global politburo" to run the
world as posited by Paul Mazur in Unfinished Business (1979). This is
obviously a hot topic. Both End of the Nation State (this one by Kenichi
Ohmae, 1996) and a book entitled Our Global Neighborhood (written in
mind-warping bureaucratese by the loftily-named Commission on Global
Governance, 1995) provide more background on the globalist philosophy
and globalist plans for your future.

Behind the Curtain of the Propaganda Machine

For a highly entertaining -- and educational -- peek at how government
spin doctors are promoting the globalist agenda, take a look at the
website of the United States Information Service (
http://www.usia.gov/usis.html ).

Youll find, for example, Clintons remarks to Air Force personnel and
others at Barksdale Air Force Base, Bossier City, Louisiana, home base
for the B-52 bombers used in the US

[CTRL] Fwd: SNET: Motorist's tape of traffic stop lands him in court

http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/107/metro/Motorist_s_tape_of_traffic_stop_lands_him_in_court-.shtml

The Boston Globe
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Nation | World
Metro | Region Motorist's tape of traffic stop lands him in court
Business
Sports Bid to prove misconduct brings wiretap charge
Living | Arts
Editorials By Hermione Malone, Globe Correspondent, 04/17/99
Obituaries
On Oct. 26, 1998, Michael Hyde got a familiar feeling.
LATEST NEWS Driving his Porsche on Route 123 in Abington, he noticed
Nation a police officer looking at him from the entrance of a
Region convenience store. Jokingly, Hyde turned to his friend in
Business the car and said, ''Ever have that feeling that someone
Sports isn't going to leave you alone?''
Scoreboard
Washington A mile down the road, that officer, Michael Aziz, stopped
WorldHyde's car, and what happened next, Hyde says, amounts to
Technology simple harassment, involving four officers, because he
Arts and his friend looked like drug dealers to the police.

-- ''I was driving a Porsche 928, I'm in a band, have long
hair, and my friend was wearing a leather coat, and
To access allsomehow that added up to cocaine,'' he said, adding that
features of the one officer asked if he had any ''blow in the dash.''
Globe Online,
including a That quote, he states, is on a tape of the encounter.
regularly- Like an increasing number of motorists in the wake of the
updated Page Rodney King confrontation with Los Angeles police, police
One, return to say, Hyde taped the traffic stop.
the
full-graphicsBut this time, the police are fighting back. They
version. indicted Hyde on a wiretapping statute, alleging that he
illegally violated the officers' privacy.

''Police officers have the same rights as other
citizens,'' insisted Plymouth County prosecutor Paul
Dawley, stating that, if the tables were turned and a
police officer were caught taping someone without
permission, people would be outraged.

This week, Hyde was in Brockton District Court for
pretrial motions, getting ready to oversee his defense
against the criminal wiretapping charge.

''I guess I run a chance of going to jail for bringing
the truth to be observed,'' Hyde said. ''This is saying
the police can break any law they want and you can't even
use the truth against them.''

James Greenberg, Hyde's defense attorney, said he
believes it is the first time that police have used a
wiretap statute against a motorist.

The traffic stop itself did not lead to any charges. Hyde
was not arrested or ticketed, but, said Greenberg, he
showed up the next day at the Abington police station to
make a formal complaint, armed with an audio cassette
recording of the incident.

Instead of a reprimand for the officers involved, Hyde
got a court date. Abington police charged Hyde with
unlawful wiretapping and their evidence was the very tape
he brought in to prove ill conduct by the police.

Nearly six months later, Hyde's run-in with Abington
police is tied up in legal wrangling. At Thursday's
pretrial hearing, Greenberg unsuccessfully argued for a
continuance to prepare a motion to dismiss.

Judge David Nagle instead ordered the motion be filed by
the end of the month and scheduled a hearing for May 6.

Hyde, 31, of Braintree, agrees that he has a recording of
the entire traffic stop, which he says reveals officers
engaged in ''verbal assault'' and police ''profiling'' of
suspects based on their age and appearance. However, Hyde
will not say if he was the one who taped the encounter.

In any case, Greenberg said, the charge will not stick.
The statute under which Hyde is being prosecuted was
designed to help control organized crime, and involves
wiretapping only, he said, not direct taping.

But the Plymouth district attorney's office sees the case
differently.

''If you have a tape recording, but it's not by
telephone,

Re: [CTRL] General Hugh Shelton: The Butcher of Oklahoma City


 -Caveat Lector-

In Genesis you find the astrological signs of the twelve
tribes.rather, their attirbutes.and of course then, we have the
Sun representing the Leaders of any country, and etc.

On November 22, 1963.I have a masonic picture of Sagitaurus, the
Archer, and lying at his feet, is the Sun God, or the Son of God, lying
at its feet having been shot down by the Archer.November is the
begining of winter, and the King must die, both symbolically, and in
this case, for real

For the kiss of death in the winter, can only be compared to the kiss of
death in the spring.

Arise my love and come away; for the voice of the turtle will be heard
in the land.

Colleen

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[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: RSVP: Beast Of The Year






Who should be the Beast of the Year for 1999?



Please select one or more of the following:

   o Jerry Springer
   o Richard Mellon Scaife
   o Rick Kaplan
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[CTRL] Protectorate in Kosovo


 -Caveat Lector-

The intentional break up of Yugoslavia while Russia is down and out.
-- Joshua2
=

NDEPENDENT (London) April 20

War in The Balkans - War aim is protectorate in Kosovo, says Blair

By Rupert Cornwell

ANY LAST prospect of a compromise end to the Balkan war vanished
yesterday as Britain said Kosovo should be turned into a protectorate
under the United Nations and other international bodies before moving
to possible independence.

In separate but complementary statements, Tony Blair and the Foreign
Secretary, Robin Cook, formally buried the Rambouillet package, which
envisaged an autonomous Kosovo within Yugoslavia's present borders,
and told President Slobodan Milosevic he had lost the province for
good.

Addressing the annual meeting of the European Bank for Reconstruction
and Development (EBRD) in London, Mr Blair told Belgrade an
international force would enter Kosovo "to secure the land for the
people for whom it belongs". Not once did he mention partition, which
has been mooted as a possible outcome, or even the most nominal
sovereignty of Yugoslavia over the province as envisaged at
Rambouillet: instead, he pledged "the dispossessed refugees of Kosovo
will be brought back into possession of what is rightfully theirs".
The Prime Minister's language is the clearest Western acknowledgement
yet that, after its suffering, Kosovo's Albanian majority is entitled
to self-determination.

Mr Cook set out the details in the Commons. Until democratic
institutions had been rebuilt, he said, Kosovo would be administered
by bodies including the UN, EU and Organisation for Security and
Co-operation in Europe, which ran the ill-fated peace monitoring
mission in Kosovo.

Reconstruction of the province, whose cost could top $10bn, would take
the combined efforts of all these bodies, Mr Cook said. He expressed
Britain's preference for a Security Council mandate that would turn
Kosovo into a UN protectorate, which would also help to mend fences
with Russia, a permanent member of the council, after the strains of
recent weeks.

Those strains were again evident yesterday as Moscow accused Nato of
plotting a land invasion of Kosovo, and President Boris Yeltsin said
that he would not allow Mr Milosevic to be defeated and see Nato take
de facto control of all Yugoslavia. Shortly before a phone
conversation with President Bill Clinton in which he demanded an
immediate end to the bombing, Mr Yeltsin said he could not abandon Mr
Milosevic: "Bill Clinton hopes that...Milosevic will capitulate, give
up the whole of Yugoslavia. We will not allow this; this is a
strategic place," Itar-Tass quoted Mr Yeltsin as saying.

Officially the allies deny any intention of toppling Mr Milosevic
directly (though they hope the Serbian people will do it for them) and
rule out a land war. The air campaign would continue "and we are
winning", George Robertson, Secretary of State for Defence, said.

That will remain the Nato line at least until after this weekend's
summit in Washington, where any move in public to press a ground
campaign could produce an embarrassing and open split among the 19
member-countries.

Increasingly, however, and even before the air war has produced a
decisive breakthrough, the West is starting to turn to the problem of
rebuilding the Balkans once the conflict is over. In his speech to the
EBRD - which was set up to help finance the transition of former
Communist East Europe to market democracy - Mr Blair told his audience
of bankers and politicians from the region that the reconstruction
task would be massive. In Athens, the Greek Foreign Minister, George
Papandreou, called for a "mini-Marshall Plan" to help Balkan economies
recover.

Yesterday Croatia, Hungary and Bulgaria said the crisis, by hitting
investment and tourism throughout the region, already would reduce
economic growth by 1 per cent or more. Apart from the $10bn (#6.25bn)
or more bill in Kosovo itself, where entire towns and villages have
been destroyed and industry and agriculture are in ruins, Nato leaders
accept that a post-Milosevic Yugoslavia will need billions of dollars
to rebuild bombed industry and infrastructure.

Next week EU foreign ministers meet their counterparts from Albania
and Macedonia to study a boost in immediate and medium-term aid to the
two countries bearing the brunt of the refugee crisis.

=
Review of my analysis at the beginning of the war.  -- J2
-

  UNDERSTANDING THE KOSOVO CRISIS


WHY THIS CAME ABOUT:

With the fall of the Soviet empire, the client states were suddenly free
to become... What? There was a variety of limited choices. Yugoslavia
had fewer choices than most of the others. The reason was (Kohl's) Germany.
I hold Germany responsible for what has happened to the Balkans.

When

[CTRL] Fwd: FC: Day 5 of Washington State Cypherpunk Trial






By popular demand, here is yesterday's installment in the US v. Johnson
cypherpunk trial. It is expected to end today, according to email last
night from CJ's attorney, Gene Grantham:

We expect the trial to conclude tomorrow and a ruling by Judge Bryan is
expected tomorrow, as well.  Judge Bryan is an excellent judge, but I can't
even begin to predict what his ruling will be.

Blanc was called to testify because her name was mentioned in a email
message posted to cypherpunks (allegedly by CJ) that ranted about Bill
Gates and Microsoft products. The IRS and DoJ argue it was a threat.
Details at (http://jya.com/cejfiles.htm)

Also John Gilmore has found a list of CJ's country music albums:
  http://jya.com/cej-music.htm

-Declan

***

From: "Blanc" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:44:44 -0700

I appeared today in Tacoma, for all of about 10 minutes, at Gene Grantham's
request.   I did have to wait around about 1 hour because the other
questioning
was taking longer than expected.   I walked up to the doors once and peeked
in,
and could slightly hear Jeff Gordon under questioning, saying inaudible things
about "cypherpunks" this and "cypherpunk" that.

I went for some tea across the street, looked around at the Dave Chihuly
glasswork in the lobby, daydreamed on the witness bench about marble fountains
in ancient Roman civilization and how the Moors and Romans ended up as
Spaniards
and Italians.  Then I was called to speak.

I was asked by G. Grantham about the nature of the list and the kind of
messages
posted.   (typical explanation).   He asked if I was aware of Jim Bell and his
essay on AP,  did I enter into the discussions on the subject, and what was my
opinion on the matter ("I disagreed").

Several questions on Toto's posts:   I considered them performance art,
satirical, joking [etc],  the kind of creative stories a writer would post,
didn't read them all, didn't take them very seriously.  Did I know about
the AP
bot web page.  I did, but didn't read most of those messages, didn't look
at the
site, didn't seriously consider that such a bot was up and functional.

What was my reaction on seeing  the particular post with the header containing
my name :  Wasn't sure if it was really a "Toto" post;  was puzzled and
surprised by it, being very different from his typical style.

And you didn't want your name associated with it?  Correct.  Outside of the
context of list discussions such a message could easily be misconstrued and
misunderstood.

So you thought it was unwise for someone to send out this kind of post?  I
thought it was foolish.

Then CJ brought up a question about whether I had received a couple of other
emails from him, which I could not recall.   He began a second question, but
Judge Bryan would not allow him to continue (don't remember what the issue
was,
but my impression is that he was tired of hearing anymore about who sent or
received which messages from who.)

Judge Bryant then asked me, "So you,ve never met Carl Johnson, have you?"
No.
"Well , " -  he casually waved his hand in CJ's direction  -   "there he is."
(laughter).   CJ pointed to Gene Grantham beside him and said "And this is
Toto."

Then the Dark Side got up and inquired about the message which I posted
here the
other day (in the reply to Hettinga's "Osama Tim Laden" post).   It was on the
ledge in front of me, in the 2nd big, fat binder full of Toto's and cpunk
email,
exhibit #25.   "Are those little doohickeys on the side Toto's statements?"
  "
And the other part of the message is what you said?"

He started to ask me about what I thought about something, but the judge
intervened.   This judge reminded me of a teacher, or Judge Judy Watkins,
saying
to the prosecutor, "You don't ask the witness whether they agree with your
statement.  You ask them about the content of the message.  We're talking
about
fundamental content here, not whether she agrees with you or not."

Basically he then inquired whether I thought the message would be taken
seriously by Billg  company.  No.  Like I said in the message, I expected
they
would just keep it on file but not pursue it. (which is what happened)  But I
did recognize a message of that type could be misinterpreted or misunderstood?
Yes.

A few objections went back  forth during all of the questioning, with the
judge
basically reemphasizing that it was the content that mattered in the
communications, not tangential considerations.   Then I left the perch and the
judge called it a day.   I observed as CJ put his hands behind him and cuffs
were put on them.   He turned back and looked at me; I lifted my hand a bit in
greeting  acknowledgement.  And that was that.

Gene Grantham said he thought tomorrow morning the judge would make his
decision.   I asked him if he would post a message to the list about it,
and/or
send something to John Young, and he said he would.

   ..
Blanc

p.s.I recognize the extreme  utter importance of haivng a hired

Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference


 -Caveat Lector-

Author, William R. Lynn, in his book, "Space Aliens from
the Pentagon" (Creatopia Productions, Lamy, NM, 87540,
$17.95, 505-466-3022 ) makes a compelling case that
Tesla was the original inventor behind a _workable_
propulsion system for a UFO, that was known about and
actually pilfered by the German rocket scientists,


Just as interesting is the appendix on Britt-Papp technology. Fascinating
stuff, that. Has anybody out there actually built a Britt-Papp motor? How
does it behave under load?

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[CTRL] New issue of Paranoia out . . .


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Yes, the new issue of Paranoia - The Conspiracy Reader is out and with an
article by yours truly -check it out at your local bookstore.

Thankx, Al.

Om
K

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[CTRL] Shots fired at Denver-area high school


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Shots fired at Denver-area high school

Copyright © 1999 Nando Media
Copyright © 1999 Associated Press

LITTLETON, Colo. (April 20, 1999 2:24 p.m. EDT
http://www.nandotimes.com) - Shots were fired Tuesday inside a high
school in a suburb southwest of Denver, and an undetermined number of
people were injured. There also were reports of an explosion and fire.

Steve Davis, a spokesman for the Jefferson County Sheriff's Department,
said, "We do have injuries."

"Right now all I've got is there have been several shots fired, some
explosions heard and some fire in the school," Davis said.

Ambulances and police cars were arriving at the Columbine High School
around lunchtime.

A girl identified only as Janine said told KCNC-TV she saw men in black
trench coats open fire.

"We saw three people get shot," she said. "They were just shooting. They
didn't care who they shot. They were just shooting."

Jonathon Ladd said he was leaving a technology laboratory when he saw
students running and heard shots ricocheting off lockers.

He said he ran to a nearby park to escape the gunfire.

Columbine High is in the middle-class suburb of Littleton, population
35,000, southwest of  Denver. It opened in 1973 and has an enrollment of
about 1,800.


Steve Wingate

California Director
SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL

Today's MP3: Marc Patterson: Space Jam
http://www.mp3.com/artists/4/marc_pattison.html

ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES
http://www.anomalous-images.com

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Re: [CTRL] 'Waco' Producer: WACO Lesson unlearned (fwd)


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Waco was not about religion, it was about non conformity.

Let's not forget the race angle. This was a multi-racial commune. I can't
for the life of me grasp how racists of the Aryan/Identity type
rationalize their much touted outrage over this incident. Were they ever
to take power they'de do exactly the same thing to people like that.

I also am fairly disgusted, though not really supprised, that the right
cares not a fig for what happened to MOVE at Philadelphia and the left
pretends that what happened at Waco was the fault of the so-called
"cultists." The SAME thing happened to both groups.

I am reminded of the opening line of Ceasar's account of how he managed to
conquer Gaul.

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[CTRL] Lone Nuts Catch War Fever ?


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Two Gunmen Open Fire in Colo. H.S.

By ROBERT WELLER
.c The Associated Press

LITTLETON, Colo. (AP) -- Two young men dressed in long, black trench coats
opened fire in a suburban high school today, scattering students as gunshots
ricocheted off lockers, witnesses said. At least three students were injured,
one student said.

There were also reports of explosions in the school, which was ringed by
ambulances and police officers at lunchtime.

snip

April 18 -- BELGRADE (Reuters) - ... A British newspaper, the Observer, said
Sunday NATO was laying plans for a ground invasion, perhaps as early as the
end of May. It said 80,000 troops had been earmarked for the operation and
that some American soldiers had already started training in Colorado.

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Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] NATO in Montenegro Next?]


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  "Queried about the possibility of a naval blockade, White House press
 secretary Joe Lockhart said, ``We believe that this is an idea worth
 pursuing."
  "Yugoslavia's only seaports are in Montenegro.
  "The NY Times reported today that when the United States raised the
 issue of a naval blockade with NATO allies last week, France objected on
 grounds that this would require endorsement by the United Nations."


 U.S. Seeks To Block Oil to Serbs

 By LAURA MYERS
 .c The Associated Press
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My guess is that Djukanovic will invite NATO into Montenegro, possibly in the
context of moving ground forces into Serbia. He has been sounding more and
more pro-Western lately, and would clearly love to split completely with
Milosevic. Wonder how much we're paying Mr. D.?

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[CTRL] Federal Funds = Private SLUSH Funds (Example #42,967)


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Ex-Headstart Chief Accused of Fraud

By LARRY NEUMEISTER
.c The Associated Press

NEW YORK (AP) -- The former director of a Headstart program has been charged
with embezzling $250,000 intended to help poor families.

Beatrice Richardson, 49, surrendered to police Monday and appeared before
U.S. Magistrate Judge James Francis, who released her on $200,000 bond.

Prosecutors accused Ms. Richardson of diverting the money from the program to
a clothing business, her sons' fledgling companies, her daughter's college
tuition and an ex-boyfriend.

Ms. Richardson allegedly had three seamstresses from her clothing company,
B-Rich Clothing, working in a Headstart program room meant to be used as a
children's classroom.

``Many of the government's allegations are incorrect,'' said Ms. Richardson's
lawyer, Richard Willstatter, who wouldn't comment further. Ms. Richardson
refused to comment.

Ms. Richardson's children were not accused of wrongdoing. Among them is
director Matty Rich, who was 19 when he released the critically acclaimed
1991 movie ``Straight Out of Brooklyn,'' about the downfall of a black
working-class Brooklyn family. Prosecutors said a movie company co-owned by
Rich and his mother, plus a music company owned by another son, received more
than $50,000.

Ms. Richardson, who now lives in Clearwater, Fla., was charged with writing
unauthorized checks to benefit herself and her family while she was program
director of the Metro North Association's Headstart program between
1991-1996.

The Headstart programs are meant to benefit preschool children whose parents
are on public assistance or whose income is below the poverty level.

The city initially investigated because its Administration for Children's
Services, which administers the program on behalf of the federal government,
reported questionable expenses in the program.

If convicted on embezzlement charges, Ms. Richardson could face a maximum
sentence of 10 years in prison and a fine of $250,000.

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[CTRL] Oops Again


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Marine Jets Kill Civilian in P.R.

By CHRIS HAWLEY
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SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) -- Two U.S. Marine jets on a training run missed
their target and bombed a communications tower on an island off Puerto Rico,
killing one civilian and injuring four others.

The two F-18 jets based on the aircraft carrier USS John F. Kennedy struck
the tower at about 7:30 p.m. Monday, said Roberto Nelson, spokesman for
Roosevelt Roads Naval Station.

The bombs hit the tower where four civilian contractors and one military
observer were helping direct the jets over the island of Vieques, off Puerto
Rico's east coast.

The Navy will investigate, Nelson said. The four injured men were in stable
condition in a military hospital, the Navy said.

A contractor, David Sanes, 35, was killed, according to Robert Rabin of the
Committee for the Rescue and Development of Vieques, a civilian group which
opposes the military exercises.

Activists fighting to force the U.S. military to stop using the island
declared that it was inevitable that an accident should occur.

``Vieques lives under the continual danger that this type of situation will
happen if the Navy makes a mistake in its bombardment from ships and
airplanes,'' Rabin said.

Many of the 9,400 residents of 21-mile-long island oppose the use of live
ammunition, which they say is destroying coral reefs, disturbing fishing
grounds and thwarted efforts to attract tourists.

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[CTRL] Pope to Canonize JP Morgan Partner's Daughter


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 ""Saint" Katharine Drexel was born to great wealth. Her father was a
banker and business partner of J.P. Morgan.
 "The Drexels, devout Roman Catholics, believed their wealth belonged to
God, who entrusted it to them to care for the poor."


By JOANN LOVIGLIO
.c The Associated Press

BENSALEM, Pa. (AP) -- A socialite and heiress to one of Philadelphia's
largest fortunes, Katharine Drexel could have had or done anything. What she
chose instead as her life's work shocked high society but has her poised to
become the second American-born saint.

The woman who lived a storybook youth of mansions, world travel and private
tutors took a vow of poverty, entered the convent and used all of her $20
million inheritance to establish a missionary order dedicated to helping
those treated the worst and regarded the least.

``She ... gave everything to God, including herself,'' said Sister Ruth
Catherine Spain, who belongs to the Sisters of the Blessed Sacrament order
founded by Mother Drexel and who lives in the order's motherhouse in
Bensalem.

Supporters began touting her cause almost immediately after her death in 1955
at age 96. And a pair of mysterious healings -- one confirmed, the other
still being investigated -- are drawing her closer to sainthood. She would be
the only American-born saint besides Sisters of Charity founder Elizabeth Ann
Seton, canonized in 1975.

Four other people with U.S. ties have reached beatification, which is the
last step before sainthood: Mohawk Indian convert Kateri Tekakwitha;
Belgian-born priest Damien de Veuster, who cared for lepers in Hawaii;
Spanish-born priest Junipero Serra, who founded nine California missions; and
French-born nun Theodore Guerin, who founded the Sisters of Providence of St.
Mary of the Woods in Indiana.

Mother Drexel is the closest to canonization of America's 29 candidates, most
of whom are decades away from sainthood.

``There's no white smoke yet,'' said Monsignor Alexander Palmieri, vice
postulator, or official advocate, for Mother Drexel's cause for sainthood,
referring to the plume that signals when a new pope is chosen. He said he
hoped canonization could come by the end of this year. She was beatified in
1988.

Katharine Drexel was born in 1858 to a family of great wealth. Her father,
Francis Drexel, was a banking magnate and business partner of J.P. Morgan.
Her uncle, Anthony Drexel, founded Drexel University. Young Katharine was a
world traveler and a debutante but also was taught the importance of charity.

The Drexels, devout Roman Catholics, believed their wealth belonged to God,
who entrusted it to them to care for the poor. In addition to making monetary
donations, the family distributed food, clothing and money three times a week
from their mansion in Philadelphia's Rittenhouse Square neighborhood.

When Francis Drexel died in 1885, the family fortune was worth $15 million,
the equivalent of about $250 million today. Though she and her two sisters
were pursued by many suitors, Katharine was drawn to religious life.

After she joined the Sisters of Mercy in Pittsburgh in 1889 at the age of 30,
The Philadelphia Public Ledger ran the headline, ``Miss Drexel Enters a
Catholic Convent -- Gives up Seven Million.''

The woman who once dressed in the finest fashions now stitched her torn
shoelaces back together.

``She dedicated her life to ministering to African American and Native
American people, which was by no means a popular thing to do at that time,''
Palmieri said.

In 1891, she founded what was then called Blessed Sacrament Sisters for
Indians and Colored People. The order's work was unpopular in the early
years; undeterred, Mother Drexel urged the nuns to pray for those who opposed
them.

The Ku Klux Klan once threatened to burn one of the order's Southern schools
and its church if the sisters didn't leave.

``Lightning struck the (KKK) headquarters and burned it to the ground,''
Palmieri said.

In Mother Drexel's lifetime, the order established 12 American Indian schools
and more than 100 rural and inner-city schools for blacks, including New
Orleans' Xavier University, the only historically black Catholic college in
the country.

At its height, 550 women belonged to the order. Today there are about 260.

The road to sainthood is a rough one.

After an exhaustive scrutiny of the would-be saint's life, the case for
sainthood is reviewed by the Vatican's Congregation for the Causes of Saints,
which consists of about 25 cardinals and bishops. If the committee and the
pope approve, the candidate is designated ``venerable.''

Then the search begins for two miracles, which are confirmed through
interviews with witnesses, theologians and medical experts. The first miracle
earns the candidate the title ``blessed'' and the second, ``saint.''

In 1987, Mother Drexel was declared ``venerable.'' In 1988, the Vatican
confirmed Robert Gutherman was cured of deafness in one ear after praying to
Mother Drexel. The church is

[CTRL] NWO vs Catholic Old World Order


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UN hits back at Vatican on Kosovo rape victims

By Evelyn Leopold

UNITED NATIONS, April 15 (Reuters) - The U.N. Population Fund on Thursday
criticised the Vatican as insensitive to the suffering of Kosovo women
because of its opposition to a ``morning-after pill'' for rape victims in
refugee camps.

``I am surprised and disappointed at the Vatican's statement condemning the
provision of emergency contraception to Kosovo refugees,'' said Dr Nafis
Sadik, the UNFPA executive director.

``It shows an insensitivity to the suffering of the women of Kosovo,'' Sadik,
a Pakistani physician, said in a statement.

A senior Vatican official on Tuesday said the use of the ``morning-after''
pill was tantamount to abortion. Monsignor Elio Sgreccia, vice president of
the Pontifical Academy for Life, reflecting the Vatican's position, called
the pill a technique that should not be confused with a contraceptive.

He made his comments in the Italian Roman Catholic daily newspaper Avvenire
in reaction to UNFPA's announcement it had sent reproductive health kits to
refugee camps in Albania that included the ``morning after'' pill.

The Vatican's U.N. delegation last month also spoke out against using the
pill, saying it involved chemicals used in abortions.

Sadik said this was not the case: `` It's a form of oral contraceptive. Of
course whether a woman will or not use it is a decision for her to make.''

She told a news conference too many people confused high-dosage birth control
pills with the RU-486 pill that aborts a pregnancy and which UNFPA does not
distribute.

The multi-use UNFPA kits, which were shipped on April 8, included a variety
of contraceptives as well as testing for sexually-transmitted diseases,
equipment to deliver babies without medical facilities and equipment for
medical personnel in complicated deliveries and blood transfusions.

The kits are to provide emergency aid to some 350,000 women for three to six
months. Sadik said relief agencies estimated some 20 births a day among the
Kosovo refugee population.

The kits also contained the ``morning-after pill,'' which prevents pregnancy
when taken within 72 hours of sex but which is not considered an abortion
pill by many health experts.

Sadik said she was very concerned at reports of rape among the refugees, a
reference to persistent reports that Serbian soldiers had gang-raped ethnic
Albanian women at an army camp as they attempted to flee. Some were killed
but some accounts from survivors are beginning to emerge.

Sadik said UNFPA was not on the ``front lines'' in the refugee camps but had
distributed the kits to the U.N. refugee agencies, Albanian government health
services and Red Cross societies, where they were in demand.

She said UNFPA surveys in Kosovo before the NATO military strikes showed
there was little knowledge of contraceptives and that abortion was used
instead.

The Vatican, during the Bosnian war, also objected to any kind of abortion
that would terminate pregnancies of rape victims, mainly Moslem women. It
says it is important to distinguish between violence suffered and human
beings who have begun a new life.


International Pro-Life Group Condemns UN:
Demands US Stop 'GlobalContraceptive Imperialism'

FRONT ROYAL, Va., April 19 /PRNewswire/ -- Fr. Richard Welch, CSSR, JCD,
President of Human Life International (HLI), today condemned the decision by
the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) to send so-called "emergency
reproductive kits" to the refugees fleeing the bloodshed in Kosovo.

"Under the guise of 'humanitarian effort' population controllers at the UN
are found once again working in tandem with the International Planned
Parenthood Federation (IPPF) to promote their insidious shared agenda of
waging war against minority women and children throughout the world.  They are
now conducting global contraceptive imperialism on a massive scale," Welch
said.

"The displaced refugees are in need of emergency food, clean water,
shelter and medical assistance -- not suction machines, abortifacient devices
or drugs such as the 'morning-after pill,' which actually causes an abortion
to take place. By lying in bed with Planned Parenthood the UN has demonstrated
its disregard for the religious preferences of the Kosovo refugees, most of
whom are Muslims who strictly oppose abortion and artificial contraception,"
Welch added.

This week the US House of Representatives votes on renewed US funding
measures for the UNFPA.  Tacked on as an amendment to the Foreign Relations
Authorization Act, H.R. 1211, the funding request received bipartisan support
last Wednesday when the International Relations Committee approved it by a
vote of 23 to 17.  The bill faces stronger opposition in the full House this
week as officials of the Catholic Church and various pro-life groups are
already criticizing the UNFPA decision to promote abortion and artificial
birth control among the Albanian refugees.  The Vatican roundly condemned the

Re: [CTRL] Lone Nuts Catch War Fever ?


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As to "lone nuts," good implication. Will they turn out to be
Serb terrorists?

Brian Redman
Editor, CNNS

On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Das GOAT wrote:

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 Two Gunmen Open Fire in Colo. H.S.

 By ROBERT WELLER
 .c The Associated Press

 LITTLETON, Colo. (AP) -- Two young men dressed in long, black trench coats
 opened fire in a suburban high school today, scattering students as gunshots
 ricocheted off lockers, witnesses said. At least three students were injured,
 one student said.

 There were also reports of explosions in the school, which was ringed by
 ambulances and police officers at lunchtime.

 snip

 April 18 -- BELGRADE (Reuters) - ... A British newspaper, the Observer, said
 Sunday NATO was laying plans for a ground invasion, perhaps as early as the
 end of May. It said 80,000 troops had been earmarked for the operation and
 that some American soldiers had already started training in Colorado.

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Fw: End Arbitrary Access to the Voting Boo...


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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:

I don't feel sorry for criminals, think about the suffering they impose on
others, their victims.  They take property, beat people and even kill them
many times without regret ... regret that they got caught, but not regret
for
their victims.


Most prisoners are incarcerated for non violent drug offences. End
Prohibition now!

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Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: THE NON-JEWS BEHIND KOSOVO]


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Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The American team behind the Yugoslav War have Jewish names and look very
Jewish. This is a sad and humiliating fact...and it shouldn't take the
anti-semites long to make a few associations and call the bloodletting in the
Balkans a Jewish plot. However, if a plot exists, it is being managed by the
very antithesis of Judaism, those who have abandoned Judaism for good.

FWIW, Karl Marx also fell into this category of "conversos" (Jewish families
who had converted to Christianity), as were something like four out of the
first six Superiors General of the Society of Jesus. (Sorry, I can only
remember Loyola and his first successor, Diego Laynez. Laynez, however, came
from a converso family.)

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Re: [CTRL] New issue of Paranoia out . . .

1999-04-20 Thread Mark Maloney


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It's not sold where I live;  do you know where I can send for it?

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[CTRL] Balkania: Reportage: 04-20-99


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From wsws.org

WSWS : News  Analysis : Europe : The Balkan Crisis

Behind the attacks on veteran journalist John Simpson
British government criticises BBC for its war coverage
By Stuart Nolan and Barbara Slaughter
20 April 1999

Senior British government officials have denounced John Simpson, the BBC
World Affairs Editor, for his supposedly "biased reports" about the impact
NATO's bombing is having on Belgrade.

He has been accused of being "pro-Serb" and part of the "Milosevic
propaganda offensive" for citing Serbian sources regarding the numbers of
civilian casualties and damage caused by the NATO bombardment. Simpson is
also charged with having been "grossly simplistic" by suggesting that
ordinary Serbs were putting aside their differences with Milosevic to oppose
the bombing.

The Times newspaper on Saturday April 17 describes private discussions in
which officials used "strong language" against the veteran BBC reporter. The
unnamed government sources describe Simpson's work as falling short of the
"expected standards" of a leading journalist.

Labour Party ministers are said to be preparing to make a formal complaint
to the BBC over reports by Simpson and other BBC journalists. In an earlier
criticism about BBC coverage of the war, a Foreign Office official said,
"The newspapers have been very supportive, but we are getting massacred by
the broadcasters."( Observer, March 28).

Simpson is one of the few British journalists remaining in Belgrade. He has
relayed reports about what he has seen and heard.

What is it that Downing Street objects to? On March 28, in a report entitled
"Life under fire in Belgrade", Simpson stated, "But Serbs do not have to be
ordered out of their schools or hospitals or factories to go and demonstrate
against the West, as happens in Iraq. Here the feeling is genuine and it can
break out at any moment." (BBC News Online)

Simpson's report contradicts NATO's predictions that the bombing campaign
would strengthen opposition to Milosevic. Simpson has warned of the dangers
of demonising the Serbs and the consequences of ignoring the history of the
region.

In a broadcast from Pristina on April 8, he reported that an attack on a
local oil depot had destroyed the city's heating system. He added, "The
worst damage is in the city centre. A telecommunications centre has taken a
direct hit, and round about it other large modern buildings have been badly
damaged--a bank, a social security office and a public library."

A question-and-answer programme with Simpson, hosted by BBC News Online,
attracted 2 million visitors on April 14. The journalist explained, "I've
spoken to a wide range of people here, many of whom took part in the 88 days
of demonstrations against Milosevic two years ago, and they have all said
that the bombing has put them behind him."

The campaign against Simpson began on the same evening that NATO spokesmen
were denying responsibility for the bombing of Albanian refugee convoys.
When introducing the news footage of the attack, Simpson pointed out that
the Serbian authorities would not have allowed him onto the scene if they
were not confident of the facts.

A previous report from Simpson that NATO jets had destroyed a passenger
train on a bridge near Leskovac was later confirmed. Forced to finally admit
NATO's responsibility for this attack on civilians, Cabinet officials aimed
their fury at the veteran BBC journalist.

He came under similar attacks by the former Tory government for his
broadcasts from Iraq in the 1990 Gulf War. Earlier this year, during the
renewed bombing of Iraq, Alistair Campbell (Tony Blair's Chief Press
Secretary), Defence Secretary George Robertson, and Foreign Secretary Robin
Cook all lodged formal complaints about the BBC's coverage.

In the first week of NATO bombing of Serbia, BBC Newsnight presenter Jeremy
Paxman and John Humphrys of BBC Radio Four's Today Programme were also
criticised. Downing Street officials advised Prime Minister Blair to pull
out of a planned interview with Paxman, in what amounted to a formal
protest, because they objected to his "sceptical tone". Humphrys was
attacked for his regular use of the word "mess" when discussing NATO
strategy during an interview with George Robertson.

In another interview, Robertson objected when Paxman said that "bombing
Milosevic to the negotiating table" had failed. Robertson cut short the
interview.


Simpson defends himself

Simpson has received many international awards for his war journalism. His
colleagues at the BBC have defended him. Richard Ayre, deputy chief
executive of BBC News, said, "It is important that audiences are given a
true account of the public mood in Belgrade, not simply an account of what
NATO governments might prefer to hear." (The Times, April 16)

In the Guardian of April 17 Simpson defended himself, saying, "Impartiality
of telling what's happening in front of you is bred into me. I've been in
the BBC for 34 years now. I know how to

[CTRL] Right vs Feminism


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From http://www.faseweb.org/young2.html

Victimizers: The Right's Confusion About Feminism
by Cathy Young
(reprinted from the 12 April 1999 issue of The New Republic)

This ought to be a giddy moment for conservative critics of feminism. The
Clinton scandals have left the women's movement reeling. For one thing, the
fervor with which many of the movement's leaders stuck by President Clinton
has exposed their willingness to sacrifice cherished feminist
principles--for instance, that women who accuse men of sexual misconduct
must be believed and supported--to politics. Meanwhile, the scandal has
prompted many Americans to question those principles themselves,
particularly the notion that personal behavior is necessarily political. The
time is ripe, it would seem, for conservatives to offer an appealing
alternative. So why haven't they managed to do so? The trouble is that they
are mired in a web of contradictions of their own, resulting in a muddled
vision of relations between men and women that, ironically, is plagued by
the same logical inconsistencies as that of the feminists.

At the heart of the conservative quandary is the movement's inability to
come to terms with women's new roles. Notwithstanding the presence of many
capable conservative women in public life, ambivalent if not hostile
attitudes toward women's non-domestic pursuits remain alive and well on the
right. While some conservatives have cited women's advancement in the
workplace--particularly in the Reagan-Bush years--as proof of the
beneficence of markets, prominent conservative commentator David Frum, for
instance, suggests in his 1994 book "Dead Right" that the very Reagan
policies that helped "goose the job market and thus entice women to work
outside the home" contributed to family breakdown.

True, most conservatives have amended "a woman's place is in the home" to "a
mother's place is at home while the children are young." And, of course, not
all concerns about the welfare of children in dual-earner families are an
expression of "backlash" (though there is plenty of unwarranted alarmism on
the subject). But the respectable right is a bit too hospitable to extreme
screeds that have less to do with worries about children than with anxieties
about gender. Two years ago, the Wall Street Journal editorial page actually
published an article by Harvard government professor Harvey Mansfield
complaining that "manliness is endangered by women having equal access to
jobs outside the home." The 1997 book Domestic Tranquility by F. Carolyn
Graglia, which warned that the assertiveness and the "analytical mind"
required by careers warp women's sexual and maternal natures, received
glowing reviews in the conservative press and dust-jacket blurbs from such
luminaries as Midge Decter and William Kristol.

A few years ago, after the publication of Christina Hoff Sommers's critique
of feminist radicalism, Who Stole Feminism?: How Women Have Betrayed Women"
(1994), it seemed that conservatives were ready to embrace Sommers's
moderate "equity feminism" that supported women's new roles but rejected
victimhood and gender warfare. In some ways, though, it was never a
comfortable fit. To many conservatives, the female gains Sommers hailed as
"a great American success story" are more of an American tragedy. While
Sommers stressed the good fortunes of modern women and accused feminists of
exaggerating their miseries, it is at least as fashionable among
conservatives to argue that women today are miserable. That's the premise of
the two critiques of feminism wowing the right this year: Wendy Shalit's A
Return to Modesty: Discovering the Lost Virtue and Danielle Crittenden's
What Our Mothers Didn't Tell Us: Why Happiness Eludes the Modern Woman.

In the traditionalist view, of course, women's distress is the result of
social changes brought about by feminism. Because single women are now free
to have premarital sex, men don't want to commit to marriage; because it's
now normal for wives and mothers to hold jobs, women lucky enough to find
husbands still have to work due to cultural and economic pressures when
they'd rather stay home; and, because of liberal divorce laws, women can
never be secure in their marriages.

This pessimistic view may be a part of the cultural right' growing general
gloom about American society. But it probably bears about the same relation
to reality as the feminist view that discrimination and bias against women
are running rampant in America.

To state the obvious, the vast majority of men and women still marry, though
they do so later than men and women did a generation ago. The "why buy the
cow when the milk is free?" theory of sex and marriage--championed by many
of the same conservatives who complain about the loss of romance in our
culture--is not only unromantic but unrealistic. Crittenden, who espouses
this theory, undercuts it with some of her own observations: about panicky
thirtysomething single women who

Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference]


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 Had Edision had his way, we would have been on the DC
 system with step-up generators every 5-6 miles, throughout
 the country. Thank God for the vision of George Westinghouse,
 who fully supported Tesla and his 60 cycle AC power generation.

 and:

 Edison and Tesla had a falling out; Edison was a humanitarian.Tesla
 and Westinghouse hand in hand, produced the first Electric
 Chair...this resulted in Edison calling in the Westinghouse
 Chair

 no, Edison invented the electric chair (which uses alternating current)
 as a method of execution to demonstrate that AC was "far more dangerous"
 than DC.

 Y'see, because Tesla had the patents for the induction motors and
 generators you need to make cheap AC, Edison couldn't get his snout in
 the trough that Westinghouse (Tesla's employer) was gobbling from.
 Because AC is cheaper to produce and distribute, it was cheaper to the
 customer and therefore more commercially successful.  So Edison tried to
 get it banned on safety grounds (broadly equivalent, in logical terms,
 to getting north-bound roads banned as inherently less safe than
 south-bound roads)...

 Andrew

Edison's image as "the Great Inventor" was carefully manufactured--by himself.
As far as I can tell, the man never actually invented anything himself except
maybe the lightbulb. Everything else he stole from his assistants, with
absolutely no attribution or remuneration. Just goes to show...if you keep
pulling the wool over people's eyes long enough, eventually they come to think
the world actually *looks* that way.

Bob

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[CTRL] Fwd: FEAR: Motorist surrenders $35,000 to deputies (KS)

1999-04-20 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn


I think this is so interesting.  Apparently we have bomb dogs, drug dogs and
now we have currency dogs.  Prudy



Motorist surrenders $35,000 to deputies
By TIM HRENCHIR
The Capital-Journal

EMPORIA -- Interstate 35, a notorious pipeline for drug traffickers, is
also an expensive toll road. A motorist from Texas with $35,000 strapped
around his waist can bear testament.

A Lyon County sheriff's deputy stopped the man for speeding at about
11:40 p.m. Friday five miles east of Emporia. For reasons not made
public, a deputy with a police dog from nearby Coffey County was
summoned.

The dog alerted deputies to something suspicious around the El Paso
man's waist, according to a news release read by a Lyon County sheriff's
dispatcher Saturday.
SNIP

The news release made no mention of illegal drugs or other contraband.

The dispatcher simply said the driver was questioned, then released. The
news release didn't say whether he was cited for speeding.
SNIP

Lyon County deputies weren't saying Saturday whether they thought the
seized money came from a drug deal. Numerous drug seizures have been
made in recent years on I-35, which Kansas Highway Patrol officials say
has become a pipeline for drug traffickers moving shipments to the
northern United States from the South and Mexico.
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Re: [CTRL] Serb Terrorists Attack School?

1999-04-20 Thread Jim Yester


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  Black trenchcoats? Grenade launcher? This sounds like
  more than the average Manchurian candidate set loose.
  Will the gunmen turn out to be "Serb terrorists"?

  Are we having fun yet?

  Brian Redman
  Editor, CNNS

No we're not having any fun at all. And if we keep bombing nations du jour
without just cause or provocation, that's precisely what we can expect.

Jim

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Re: [CTRL] Serb Terrorists Attack School?

1999-04-20 Thread Don Allen


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Black trenchcoats? Grenade launcher? This sounds like
more than the average Manchurian candidate set loose.
Will the gunmen turn out to be "Serb terrorists"?

Are we having fun yet?

I'm watching this sordid episode live on Denver channel 9. The Swat
team just went in and dozens of students poured out of the school building.
Some students jumped into the back of a police cruiser and took off real fast.
It appears about 18 students have been shot/injured, thus far, some
shot with _shotguns_, as spoken by a spokesperson at one of the area
hospitals. The three _trenchcoat_  gunmen are still in the Columbine
High School.


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Re: [CTRL] Serb Terrorists Attack School?

1999-04-20 Thread Don Allen


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At 04:50 PM 4/20/99 -0400, Jim Yester wrote:
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In a message dated 4/20/99 3:59:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Black trenchcoats? Grenade launcher? This sounds like
  more than the average Manchurian candidate set loose.
  Will the gunmen turn out to be "Serb terrorists"?

  Are we having fun yet?

  Brian Redman
  Editor, CNNS

No we're not having any fun at all. And if we keep bombing nations du jour
without just cause or provocation, that's precisely what we can expect.

Channel 9 news in Denver is reporting (grain of salt time) that the shooters
are students at the school. Still some confusion at this point about the exact
number of students shot/injured. No fatalities reported. One report was
of a girl who was shot 8 times.

Who wants to take bets that someone will put pressure on increasing
gun control measures because of this shooting?



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[CTRL] North Korean Buyout

1999-04-20 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn


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The May 3, l999 issue of "The Nation" has a very interesting article.  The
title is as the subject of this posting and is on pages 3 and 4.  One really
fascinating paragraph says in part, "This must have discomfited hard-liners
in the Pentagon, who have been provoking trouble over Korea policy for
months, seeking to kill two birds with one stone--to destroy the l994
agreement and thereby stick another knife in the President.  The leading
malefactor is Gen. Patrick Hughes, the director of the Defense Intelligence
Agency, who likes to leak classified information to right-wing Republicans. .
. .  It goes on from there.  No wonder the Pentagon was so nice to Linda
Tripp--flex time, great job, very high pay.   She obviously has more friends
in high places than we realized.  Maybe the Pentagon is doing its own thing.
 Perhaps Gen. Hughes is getting ready to lead a coup.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Kenn Thomas on Art Bell

1999-04-20 Thread Kenn Thomas


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Hi, CTRL!

Hilly Rose is having me on the Art Bell show tonight from 1AM to 5AM Central
Standard Time. There's a link to Bell at the Steamshovel site
(http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma), plus news of my next lecture, Wayne Henderson on
Kalifornia prisons, Acharya S on the X-rated Bible--a general update of the site.
I haven't had a chance to do that for a while becuase I've been working on a new
Gemstone book.

So have a listen and call-in tonight.

kt

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[CTRL] Fwd: [FTC] Fast-Track to the Poor-House...

1999-04-20 Thread Carl Amedio






Dear Friends,

We are on the fast-track to free-trading ourselves into the poor-house --
read on - fyi

PS - Also attached is a trade deficit chart sent in by Dr. Charles
McMillion. Its in pdf format. Get the Adobe Acrobat reader if needed --
its free: http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/acrobat/readstep.html

For the Cause - Linda



Linda, Found this to be disturbing.
-Mark Mead

Trade gap hits record $19.4 billion 

U.S. exports again fall while imports jump to all-time high 

ASSOCIATED PRESS 

WASHINGTON, April 20  Americas trade deficit soared to a record 
$19.4 billion in February as the global financial crisis depressed U.S. 
exports for a fourth straight month while booming consumer demand 
pushed imports to an all-time high. 

The Commerce Department reported Tuesday that Februarys deficit 
was 15.6 percent higher than the previous record, a $16.8 billion 
imbalance in January. IN FEBRUARY, U.S. exports edged down 0.6 
percent to $76.6 billion, led by a $927 million decline in sales of 
commercial aircraft. Imports jumped 2.3 percent to an all-time high of 
$96 billion as demand for foreign cars, clothing, toys, televisions and 
stereos soared.   

With back-to-back records, the trade deficit so far this year is running at 
an annual rate of $215 billion, far surpassing last years all-time high of 
$169 billion.   

Economists believe that as long as the U.S. economy remains strong 
and many of Americas major export markets remain in recessions 
caused by the steep plunge in financial markets that began in Asia in July
1997, the U.S. trade deficit will continue to rise.  

A widening trade deficit is the one cloud on an otherwise bright 
economic horizon for the United States, which has managed to remain 
what Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan has termed an oasis 
of prosperity in a sea of economic trouble around the world. 

Greenspan, however, expressed concerns last week about a growing 
movement toward protectionism in this country, a development that has 
the White House worried as well.   

The administration is concerned that erecting U.S. trade barriers will
trigger copycat responses while jittery markets are fearful that political
pressures will make nations turn inward in response to the worst global
economic crisis in 50 years.  

President Clinton, worried about a growing protectionist mood in 
Congress, balked earlier this month at reaching a sweeping trade 
agreement with China. That disappointed many in the business 
community who have complained for years about Chinas high trade 
barriers.  

For February, the deficit with China narrowed slightly to $4.6 billion. But 
Americas deficit with Japan shot up 13.1 percent to $5.3 billion. The 
administration is pursing a number of trade negotiations with Japan in 
hopes of showing progress in opening that market to U.S. firms by the 
time of Prime Minister Keizo Obuchis visit next month.   

In one bright spot, Americas surplus in services, which includes such 
things as tourism and consulting fees, rose 4 percent to a monthly 
record of $6.7 billion.   

The surplus in services, however, did little to dent a record $26.2 billion 
deficit in the goods area. U.S. exporters continued to find it hard to make 
overseas sales because of an economic crisis that has pushed one- 
third of the global economy into recession.   

The February drop in exports included a $130 million decline in farm 
sales, to $3.6 billion, with the drop led by falling shipments of soybeans 
and wheat. American farmers, who grow one-third of their crops for 
export, are suffering their worst times in a decade.   

In addition to commercial aircraft, manufactured exports of 
telecommunications equipment and electric generators also dropped in 
February.  

On the import side, foreign shipments of autos and automotive parts 
rose to a record $14.6 billion, up $710 million for the month. Other
increases included computer accessories, up $449 million; clothing, up
$202 million; toys, up $156 million; and televisions and VCRs, up $150
million.  

Americas deficit with Mexico climbed to a record $1.8 billion in February
while U.S. exports to Brazil, which became the latest victim of the global
currency turmoil in January, dropped to $910 million, the lowest level
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Re: [CTRL] Kenn Thomas on Art Bell

1999-04-20 Thread Don Allen


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At 04:41 PM 4/20/99 -0500, Kenn Thomas wrote:
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Hi, CTRL!

Hilly Rose is having me on the Art Bell show tonight from 1AM to 5AM Central
Standard Time. There's a link to Bell at the Steamshovel site
(http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma), plus news of my next lecture, Wayne
Henderson on
Kalifornia prisons, Acharya S on the X-rated Bible--a general update of the
site.
I haven't had a chance to do that for a while becuase I've been working on a
new
Gemstone book.

I wish you success on the new Gemstone book. However, I MUST question
your sanity for appearing on the Art Bell show. Are you that desparate
for exposure? Bell is a certifiable idiot, a liar and a front line shill for
the
NWO.  Why don't you appear on Gary Aldrich's radio show instead? At
least Aldrich has credibility, something that Fart Smell will never have.




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[CTRL] NJ AG Admits State Police Target Minorities


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http://www.phillynews.com/99/Apr/20/race20.htm

Tuesday, April 20, 1999 15:30 EDT

Report acknowledges racial profiling

By Thomas Martello
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER

 N.J. troopers indicted in racial-profiling probe



TRENTON -- Charges that the New Jersey State Police target minority motorists when 
making traffic stops are "real, not imagined," an interim report released by the state 
Attorney General's office today concludes.
The report acknowledges "disparate" treatment of minority motorists by the State 
Police and that some troopers have engaged in the practice known as racial profiling.

In a related matter, state Attorney Peter Verniero said the state will drop its appeal 
of a 1996 Gloucester County Court decision asserting that troopers demonstrated race 
bias in making arrests along the New Jersey Turnpike in southern New Jersey. The court 
decision, which could affect dozens of pending criminal cases, found evidence of 
racial profiling.

"We don't agree with everything that was said in that case, but in view of the report 
and our statistical analysis, the appeal is no longer appropriate," Verniero said.

The interim report stresses that "the great majority of state troopers are honest, 
dedicated professionals" and that state police policy does not encourage racial 
profiling.

"Despite these efforts . . . minority motorists have been treated differently than 
non-minority motorists during the course of traffic stops on the New Jersey Turnpike," 
the report says. "We conclude the problem of disparate treatment is real -- not 
imagined."

The report says a small number of troopers have engaged in "willful misconduct" by 
breaking with standard operating procedures. More troopers, however, are guilty of 
"possible de facto discrimination," its says, noting that officers tend to treat 
minority motorists differently during traffic stops because they are "influenced by 
stereotypes."

"It does say that minorities are subject to disparate treatment, and that obviously is 
a disturbing finding," Verniero said.

The report on New Jersey Turnpike stops concludes that while six out of 10 motorists 
stopped are white, minorities are far more likely to be subjected to searches and 
aggressive treatment by troopers. The statistics show 77.2 percent of motorist 
searches were of black or Hispanics, while only 21.4 percent were made of white 
motorists.

The 111-page report suggests a series of changes to remedy the problem, including 
establishment of a clear policy stating that race, ethnicity and national origin may 
not be considered by state police in deciding who to stop. It also recommends that 
state police issue quarterly statistical reports on the race of motorists who get 
stopped and monitor troopers' traffic stop activity more closely.

State police leaders have consistently argued that the agency does not engage in 
racial profiling. The issue cost state police Superintendent Col. Carl Williams his 
job earlier this year and threatens to affect the political fate of both Whitman, who 
is expected to run for the U.S. Senate, and Verniero, who has been nominated for the 
New Jersey Supreme Court.

The report was released one day after state officials announced official misconduct 
indictments against the two troopers involved in last year's controversial shooting 
along the Turnpike in Mercer County.

Troopers John Hogan and James Kenna allegedly made false statements about the race of 
motorists they pulled over. Such data was being gathered in a state police traffic 
stop survey prompted by the 1996 court decision.

Authorities said the indictments against Hogan and Kenna were not directly related to 
their involvement in the shooting near Exit 7A. Three young minority men were wounded 
when the troopers fired 11 shots at their van. The troopers said the van had backed up 
toward them suddenly.

Lawyers for Hogan and Kenna have said the pair are being used as scapegoats in the 
broader debate over racial profiling.

The indictments against Hogan and Kenna may prompt the courts to dismiss criminal 
charges against 26 minority defendants arrested by the two troopers in the past two 
years. Attorneys representing those suspects said prosecutors will be reluctant to 
call Hogan and Kenna as witnesses now that they face charges themselves.

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[CTRL] Possibly 25 killed in Denver-area school shooting; 2 suspects dead


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Possibly 25 killed in Denver-area school shooting; 2
suspects dead

Copyright © 1999 Nando Media
Copyright © 1999 Associated Press

List of recent school shootings
http://www.nandotimes.com/front/story/0,1108,40330-65071-472488-1,00.html

LITTLETON, Colo. (April 20, 1999 6:35 p.m. EDT
http://www.nandotimes.com) - Three young men dressed in fatigues and black
trench coats opened fire in a suburban high school Tuesday, scattering
students as gunshots ricocheted off lockers in what police called a suicide
mission. Jefferson County Sheriff John Stone said 25 people may have been
killed. Two suspects were found dead inside the library hours later, he said.

He said the gunman who were found dead in the library at Columbine High
School were students.

"It appears to be a suicide mission," Stone said.

It was not immediately known if the others killed were students or teachers,
police said. Explosions also were heard in the school, and police said they
had to search for bombs, slowing them down as they looked for victims.

Some 4 1/2-hours later, police led away a student from the school in
handcuffs.

"He's one of the ones who shot at us," said Chris Wisher, another student.
Police had no immediate comment.

Nearly two hours after the 11:30 a.m. shooting, SWAT team members entered
the building and 15 to 20 students fled. The frightened students ran out with
their hands in the air and were later frisked by police. Several other groups of
youths ran from the school in the following hours after an armored car was
brought to an entrance for cover.

SWAT team members searching the building were able to see some
wounded students but couldn't reach them because the area wasn't secure,
said Steve Davis, spokesman for the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office.

Television images, broadcast nationwide, showed police cars and
ambulances at a staging area near the school, and helmeted officers in
camouflage gear. At one point, a bloodied young man dangled from a second-
floor window, his right arm limp, and was helped down by two SWAT team
members. His condition was not immediately known.

"We believe there are a few more victims," Davis said earlier. "We're hearing
from deputies who can see from their vantage points more victims."

One student, Kami Vest, called her father as she hid in the school with 30
other students. "They have been able to call out on a cell phone and tell us they
are OK," Dale Vest said. He said at midafternoon that she remained in hiding.


President Clinton asked Americans to pray for the students, parents and
teachers.

Shortly after the school was stormed, three youths wearing black were
stopped by police in a field near the school. The Colorado Bureau of
Investigation told KUSA-TV the three were friends of the gunmen and were
taken in for questioning.

Some witnesses said there were two gunmen and the shootings took place
around the school, including the cafeteria and library.

"At first we just though they were firecrackers until we saw the guns come out
of the trench coats," said student Justin Woods.

"They walked down the stairs and they started shooting people," said another
student, who gave her name as Janine. "We didn't think it was real and then
we saw blood." Her voice broke with anguish as she spoke.

She said it was two young men, wearing black trench coats.

"They were shooting people and throwing grenades and stuff. ... Me and my
friends got to my car and drove off," she said.

Bob Sapin, another student, also said the gunmen were all in black, in trench
coats and masks.

"When they started walking down the hallway, I ran and I ran and I hid in the
bushes," he said.

Eight to 10 students in the school wear black trench coats every day, students
said. Josh Nielsen said they are known as the "Trench Coat Mafia." Another
student, Jason Greer, called them "jerks." "They are really strange, but I've
never seen them do anything violent," he said.

Sean Kelly, a 16-year-old junior, said members of the group kept to
themselves and were "kind of gothic. They are wearing dusters. They wear
them every day, all black clothing."

"They're into guns and stuff like that," he added.

At the adjacent Clement Park, students were shaking and crying as parents
searched to find their children. Police helicopters whirled overhead and
hundreds of police officers patrolled the area and a nearby park.

At least 19 people were taken to hospitals, including a girl who suffered nine
gunshot wounds to the chest. Kari Mackecher, spokesman for HealthOne,
which runs Swedish Hospital, said four students were taken there, all in
serious condition but conscious, and a fifth was en route.

Five other hospitals reported getting 14 people, at least one of them in critical
condition. The 20th injured person was the young man taken out of the school
window at midafternoon.

Denver and Littleton police, and Jefferson County and Arapahoe sheriff's
deputies were helping on the scene.

Columbine High is in

[CTRL] Balkans: Seriously / IV-F


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From National Review

Get Serious

Steps to victory in Kosovo.


ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI
Mr. Brzezinski, national security advisor to President Carter, is counselor
at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.


ON April 23, NATO is scheduled to hold in Washington a huge celebration of
its fiftieth anniversary. If by then the conflict over Kosovo is still on,
the meeting will provide an opportunity for a council of war -- yes, it is a
war -- and for a reaffirmation of NATO's commitment to prevail. If by then
NATO has won, the event will be a true celebration. If, however, NATO has
embraced a negotiated settlement that yields to Slobodan Milosevic some
concession over what NATO demanded just prior to the bombing, it will be a
wake.

 The stakes now involve far more than the fate of Kosovo. They were altered
dramatically the day the bombing began. It is no exaggeration to say that
NATO's failure to prevail would mean both the end of NATO as a credible
alliance and the undermining of America's global leadership. And the
consequences of either would be devastating to global stability. It is
instructive to pause here and ask, Who endorses the use of force to stop the
ethnic killing and cleansing in Kosovo, and who opposes it? All of NATO's 19
democracies stand united (even if a couple are wobbly), and all of Europe's
other democracies are generally supportive. Violently opposed are the
erratic admirer of Hitler in Belarus and the current Russian regime, which
failed in Chechnya in what Milosevic is attempting to do in Kosovo. Two
visions of the European future are thus colliding: one that views Europe as
a community genuinely bound by a shared respect for human rights, and one
that believes ruling national elites have the sovereign right to engage even
in a type of genocide against their minorities.

 Ill-wishers of America and Europe understand this well. A leading Moscow
newspaper (Nezavisimaya Gazeta, on March 25) gloated openly -- while also
informing the Clinton administration where the Kremlin really stands -- that
the crisis initiates "the epoch of the collapse of the U.S. global empire
and, evidently, the epoch of Europe's final eclipse." It went on to urge
Russia "to just sit on the fence, saying all the necessary things and
watching NATO destroy itself."

 So far, the administration has done very well in keeping NATO together. But
it has not done as well on the military level, and its political fortitude
is questionable. During the first three weeks, NATO's air campaign against
Serbia was timid and morally irresponsible. Sadly, there has been a failure
to react in a timely fashion to the bestial treatment inflicted on the
defenseless Kosovars. Though the ethnic cleansing undeniably predated the
bombing, it was accelerated after the bombing started. The White House team
cannot escape responsibility for the failure to do at least the minimum
possible to impede the victimization of the Kosovars.

 It is simply incomprehensible why the needed attack helicopters were not
assembled before the air operation was launched. Did it not occur to any
senior official that Serbian forces would move against the Kosovars? Why
were the helicopters denied to NATO commanders for some ten days after the
operation started, with the entire world watching the mass expulsions and
learning also of large-scale executions? A strong tactical air assault
against Milosevic's ground forces should have been launched from Day One,
even at the risk of losses. It is painful to imagine young Albanians
desperately scanning the skies before being either raped or shot.

 Moreover, the bombing has been conducted in a manner that defies even the
most elementary notions of human psychology under conditions of war. Instead
of shocking and intimidating the opponent, the air campaign has striven to
avoid casualties not only to allied airmen but even to Milosevic's
officials, thereby inoculating the Serbs against fear of bombing while
mobilizing Serbian nationalist passions in support of the Belgrade dictator.

 Also noteworthy is that, paradoxically, the strategic bombardment of
Serbian assets has been conducted as if its goal were the attrition of the
Serbian army in preparation for a NATO ground campaign. But President
Clinton ruled out the latter, and even into the third week of the bombing he
continued to reassure Milosevic that the U.S. had no intention of engaging
in ground combat. One cannot avoid the suspicion that political expediency
was at work here, at a time when genuine leadership was needed. This
self-denying posture has given Milosevic every incentive to hunker down and
absorb the punishment from the skies, while completing his cleansing of
Kosovo.

 Admittedly, a ground campaign cannot be launched instantly. It requires
careful and deliberate

[CTRL] Fw: DRUDGE-REPORT-EXCLUSIVE 4/20/99

1999-04-20 Thread CobolMage

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X DRUDGE REPORT X 04/20/99 16:59:33 ET X

TRENCHCOAT MAFIA PLACED WARNING OF COMING SCHOOL MASSACRE ON AOL; GANG MAY
HAVE PLANNED SHOOTING

Members of a gang called TRENCHCOAT MAFIA may have been planning today's
shooting at a suburban high school in Colorado.

One user profile found on AMERICA ONLINE states:  "Preparin' for the big
april 20!! You'll all be sorry that day!"

The AOL handle "LCaress" warns of the April 20 date.

Another AOL member, using the handle "AzMstr17" warns about a fight against
the "Power Boyz" -- and declares that "cOlUmBInE HigH ScHoOl SuCks".

Member Name: Jessie
Location: 7th layer of hell NeAr DeNver Yo'
Birthdate: August 13, 1982
Sex: Male
Marital Status: ToSsInG My bItCh QuEeN's SalAd
Hobbies: hAnGinG PoPpErs ExTaSSeeY BoYYee Ya Ya FloCkO SEaGuLLs Yo yO
Computers: RhYdIn RUlZ ThE LAnD UnDer hiS BlA C K BooTz
Occupation: TRENCH COAT MAFIA iN Da HoUse BoYeEeeeEeeEEsss, hAnGiN,
baNgInn, fStiNg, ToSSin Da' SAlAd Yo yO
Personal Quote: "fIgHt Da PoWeR BoYz.. tReNcH CoAt MaFiA RULZ
cOlUmBInE HigH ScHoOl SuCks

One 10th-grader at the school says that he heard gunmen say "they were gonna
kill all the jocks," seconds before one of them held a gun to his head.  A
student identifying himself as Aaron Cahon told KOA radio that he believes
the gunmen belong to a group in the school known as the "Trenchcoat Mafia."

A notice posted on the Internet on Tuesday read:

"Greetings Gay Bikers,

Today, a bunch of our fellow homosexuals at Columbine HS in Denver Colorado,
known as the Trench Coat Mafia, decided that they had taken enough crap from
the straight community that had been abusing them and have decided to take
matters into their own hands.  We should all applaud their bravery and hope
that they can hold out as long as possible in their fight for gay people
everywhere.  We can only hope that they can turn this into the gay alamo and
hold out for 13 days of glory.  If they can hold out for two days I think
gay bikers everywhere should considering riding into Denver as a relief
force to fight alongside them.

We need to show solidarity!!!

Queen Jeff"

[ The message is found at:
http://x16.dejanews.com/[ST_rn=qs]/getdoc.xp?AN=468757180CONTEXT=924646229.
364052583hitnum=0 ]

Jefferson County Sheriff John Stone said 25 people may have been killed in
the shooting. Two suspects were found dead inside the library hours later,
he said.

The gunman who were found dead in the library at Columbine High School were
students.

"It appears to be a suicide mission," Stone told reporters.

Developing...

Filed by Matt Drudge
Reports are moved when circumstances warrant
http://www.drudgereport.com  for steaks and breaks
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[CTRL] Fwd: MISC: Fwd: Y2K problems will linger for 30 months

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Published Sunday, April 18, 1999

Y2K problems will linger for 30 months
Steve Alexander / Star Tribune

The script for Y2K is all wrong.  Instead of Y2K failures occurring at
midnight on Dec. 31, they will be spread over a 30-month period that will
begin in July.  So says the Gartner Group, a leading computer industry
consulting firm based in Connecticut.

This is revisionist stuff, since practically all Y2K scenarios to date have
focused on the potential for serious computer failures at midnight on Dec.
31.  But Gartner maintains that only 10 percent of Y2K failures will occur
within two weeks of Jan. 1.

In an interview, Dale Vecchio, a research director in Gartner Group's Y2K
practice in Stamford, Conn., said his firm has been eyeing a multi-month Y2K
impact since the middle of last year.  But Gartner analysts have been
frustrated that the public debate about Y2K has continued to focus on the
Jan. 1 millennium date change, he said.

"People haven't quite gotten it," Vecchio said.  "They have been too focused
on the single time boundary and not enough on what they may have to deal with
before the time boundary occurs."

Why should Y2K start in 1999 and stretch into 2001?  In a recent speech in
San Diego, Lou Marcoccio, another research director of Gartner's Y2K
practice, said the causes will be forecasting software that looks six months
into the future, the beginning of new fiscal years for many corporations and
some "date-related anomalies in software code."

The number of Y2K failures will increase further in October as forecasting
software that looks three months ahead runs up against the Jan. 1, 2000, date
and still more companies begin new fiscal years, Marcoccio said.

In Gartner's view, 25 percent of Y2K computer failures will occur in 1999, 55
percent will occur in 2000 and 15 percent will occur in 2001.  The other 5
percent occurred before 1999.

While computer system failures will be spread throughout the 30-month period,
the failures of devices containing embedded computer chips -- such as factory
process control units or building temperature control systems -- will peak at
midnight on Dec. 31, Gartner said.  The research firm also predicted that 10
percent of all failures will last three days or longer.

While Gartner's extended Y2K impact scenario is at odds with most discussions
of Y2K impact, the company's leadership role in raising awareness of Y2K
practically guarantees that its findings will not be ignored.

Gartner has consistently been the leader in estimating the technical cost of
Y2K and projects that the software costs alone will be $300 billion to $600
billion worldwide.  Other analysts have estimated that related costs,
including lawsuits, could push total Y2K expenses to $1 trillion.

Vecchio said it's hard to say what specific kinds of computer failures will
occur before Dec. 31 and which ones will occur afterward.  But the root
causes of the failures will be different, he said.

During 1999, programs that look forward in time will be the primary sources
of failure, Vecchio said.  But after January, the problems probably will come
from programs that deal with year-end 1999 corporate results and from
programs that are used so seldom that their Y2K flaws won't become apparent
until well into the year 2000.

In addition, efforts to fix Y2K problems inevitably will introduce other
software errors that will extend the impact of Y2K for many months, he said.

Vecchio said that other post-Jan. 1 problems will be caused by "corrupted
data" -- information that accumulates errors during data processing by
Y2K-flawed software -- and new versions of packaged commercial software that
have acquired Y2K flaws as they were upgraded to include new functions.

Worldwide preparedness

As part of the San Diego conference, Gartner also offered a worldwide
snapshot of Y2K preparedness.  It listed the countries that it believes are
the most and least prepared for Y2K and predicted how bad things could be for
those nations.

The countries that Gartner said are most prepared for Y2K are the United
States, Australia, Belgium, Bermuda, Canada, Denmark, the Netherlands,
Ireland, Israel, Switzerland, Sweden and the United Kingdom.

The nations in the second category are the Bahamas, Brazil, Chile, Finland,
France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Mexico,
New Zealand, Norway, Peru, Portugal, Singapore, Spain, Taiwan and Thailand,
Gartner said.

Less well off will be Argentina, Armenia, Austria, Bulgaria, Colombia, the
Czech Republic, the Dominican Republic, Egypt, Guatemala, India, Jamaica,
Jordan, Kuwait, Malaysia, Panama, Poland, Puerto Rico, Saudi Arabia, South
Africa, Sri Lanka, Turkey, and United Arab Emirates, Venezuela and
Yugoslavia, Gartner said.

Worst off are Afghanistan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Cambodia, Chad, China, Costa
Rica, Ecuador, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Fiji, Haiti, Indonesia, Kenya, Laos,
Lithuania, Morocco, Mozambique, Nepal, Nigeria, Pakistan, the

[CTRL] Littleton Atones For America's Guilt (fwd)


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LITTLETON ATONES FOR AMERICA'S GUILT


(CNNS, 04/20/99) --  "Trouble  here,  trouble  there.  There's so
much trouble in the air." [1]

There has been trouble in the air here in the USA, consequent  to
mass-murder by USA-led NATO in the former Yugoslavia.

"The  voice  of  your  brother's  blood  is crying to me from the
ground." [2]

Psycholgists label this  "blood  crying  out  from the ground" as
"free floating anxiety." But they do not intuit  the  guilt  that
looks for a scapegoat.

A troubling sense of guilt.   A  scapegoat needs must be found to
carry away  the  guilt.   In  "primitive"  times,  a  goat  would
symbolically  carry  the  people's  collective guilt off into the
wilderness.   We  "moderns"   scorn   as  superstitious  old-time
Biblical solutions.  "But the man that is  will  shadow  the  man
that pretends to be." [3]

"The angry god is annoyed by a guilt that is not equally shared,"
writes Rene Girard in  *The  Scapegoat*.   [4] The American guilt
for its sins against Yugoslavia causes unease (anxiety)  here  at
home.   Like  a  game of musical chairs, all Americans dread that
they will be "it."  The  people  cling to their smiley-face mask:
"Oh God, not me.  Let it be someone else."

And so, deep down (and you know it's true), we Americans  breathe
a  sigh of relief when students are massacred at a high school in
Littleton, Colorado.  The guilt will not  land on you or I (until
it again builds up.)  It  has  landed  on  Colorado  high  school
students.

Take  a  moment  to  relax.  Musical chairs has not chosen you --
this time.  The  youngsters  of  the  Columbine  High School have
atoned for our collective sins against Yugoslavia.

But take it to the bank:   musical chairs music is about to start
again.  America's collective guilt will recommence its search for
scapegoats.  Don't throw away that smiley face; the  blood  still
cries out from the ground.  Learn to  blend  in  with  the  herd.
That (they say) is safest.

Shocked?  "The victim is sacred," writes Girard in another  book.
It is criminal to kill the victim, "but the victim is sacred only
because  he  is  to be killed."  [5] The victims of the Columbine
High School massacre are elevated  to sainthood.  We all (for the
moment) breathe a sigh of relief:  they have atoned for our sins.

UNTIL NEXT TIME.

I faintly hear musical chairs music playing, in the background.

--- Notes ---
[1] From old blues song.
[2] Genesis 4:10
[3] "Choruses From 'The Rock'", by T.S. Eliot
[4] *The Scapegoat*  by  Rene  Girard.  Baltimore:  Johns Hopkins
University Press, 1986. ISBN: 0-8018-3917-3.
[5] *Violence and the Sacred* by Rene Girard.  Baltimore:   Johns
Hopkins University Press, 1979. ISBN: 0-8018-2218-1.

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[CTRL] Balkan Fringe: Turkey: 04-20-99


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From LA Times

"Founded in the early 1960s by a charismatic former army colonel, Alparslan
Turkes, the Gray Wolves exalt the "pure Turk" over all other ethnic groups.
"  Hmmm ...

 Tuesday, April 20, 1999
Turkey's Gray Wolves Nip at Heels of Power
 Elections: With 90% of ballots tallied, ultra-nationalists pull within 3
seats of premier's party.
By AMBERIN ZAMAN, Special to The Times


ANKARA, Turkey--In December 1978, Turkey's Kahramanmaras province exploded
in street fighting between left-wing and right-wing extremists that set the
stage for a 1980 military coup and haunted the country for years. Most of
the violence was blamed on an ultranationalist paramilitary group, the Gray
Wolves.
 Now, after decades on the fringes of Turkey's turbulent politics, the
Gray Wolves have made a leap into the mainstream. They are vying for
electoral power in the wake of a remarkable showing in Sunday's
parliamentary elections.
 Capitalizing on a mood of resurgent nationalism, the Gray Wolves,
formally known as the Nationalist Action Party, were running a close second
Monday to Prime Minister Bulent Ecevit's Party of the Democratic Left. With
90% of the vote tallied, the race could go either way.
 Before the voting, the Gray Wolves were given little chance of breaking
the 10% minimum required to hold seats in the 550-member parliament. But
they polled 18% of the vote to win 130 seats so far--4 percentage points and
three seats behind the Democratic Left. When no party wins an absolute
majority, Turkey's president traditionally empowers the party with the most
seats to form a coalition government.
 "We were hoping to do well," said Nationalist Action Party leader
Devlet Bahceli, "but not quite like this."
 Party supporters across Turkey celebrated in the streets by flashing
the wolf sign--bringing down their two middle fingers to join their thumbs
in a figurative lupine snout and lifting their two other fingers to look
like wolf ears.
 The wolf is a symbol of nationalism inspired by the ancient legend of
Asena, the mythological she-wolf who led the Turks out of Central Asia's
arid steppes into what is now Turkey.
 Political analysts see a direct link between the party's rise and the
European Union's rejection of Turkey's bid for full membership two years
ago.
 European objections to Turkey's human rights record, armed occupation
of Cyprus and military campaign against ethnic Kurds who seek self-rule
fired nationalist sentiment. Ecevit and the Gray Wolves both benefited from
Turkey's wounded pride, analysts say.
 Ecevit earned his nationalist credentials during his first stint as
prime minister, when he ordered the 1974 invasion of Cyprus. Ecevit is also
credited with the capture of Kurdish guerrilla chief Abdullah Ocalan two
months ago, but the Gray Wolves helped their cause by demanding Ocalan's
execution.
 "What most Turks want," said Ayse Ayata, a sociologist at Ankara's
Middle East Technical University, "is a leader who is honest and can stand
up to the West. Both Ecevit and Bahceli are perceived as such."
 Founded in the early 1960s by a charismatic former army colonel,
Alparslan Turkes, the Gray Wolves exalt the "pure Turk" over all other
ethnic groups.
 At the height of the Cold War, the army used the Gray Wolves as a
violent counterweight to Turkish Communists. The party's coffers swelled
with secret contributions from the government.
 By the late 1970s, the Gray Wolves had spun out of state control. Their
paramilitary wing fought a campaign against leftist rivals that killed
nearly 6,000 people. Ali Agca, who shot Pope John Paul II in a 1981
assassination attempt, is alleged to have been affiliated with the party.
 Banned with other parties for seven years after the 1980 coup, the Gray
Wolves bounced back with a popular issue in the 1990s, calling for a revived
Turkish empire embracing newly independent Central Asian states of the
former Soviet Union.
 But the party lost support as some of its members allegedly became
involved in drug-trafficking, gun-running, extortion and killings of Kurdish
dissidents.
 Prosecutors cracked down in late 1996, forcing Turkes to start purging
extremists. The cleanup accelerated after his death in 1997, when Bahceli, a
former economics professor, took over and embraced more centrist positions.
 Millions of conservative voters, fed up with corruption scandals
involving more established right-wing politicians, flocked to the party. The
Gray Wolves also drew support away from Turkey's Islamist movement, which
finished first in the 1995 election but abandoned power under pressure from
the pro-secular armed forces.
 For many Turks, however, the bloodshed of the 1980s remains fresh. Some
say they wonder if the Gray Wolves have been tamed.
 "I remember seeing my boyfriend shot by them before my eyes," said
Melike, a former left-wing activist who has settled for suburban domesticity
and would

Re: [CTRL] IUFO: Magnetic Anomaly


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On 20 Apr 99, at 17:31,  V MORTZEKORPF wrote:

 Steve,   What's this magnetometer?  Where is it located?  Who owns it?
   How does it work?

Vicki,

A magnetometer is an instrument which measures magnetic fields. This
magnetometer is located at the HAARP facility in Alaska.

*** BTW, the chart is no longer being updated; the last reading was at
18:05 UT (12:00 noon PDT) ***

Here is more information from the HAARP site:

Magnetometers contain one or more electrical coils which detect magnetic
field lines in a direction perpendicular to the plane of the coil. The chart
below is a running 36 hour plot of the readings taken from the fluxgate
magnetometer, built by the University of Alaska, Geophysical
Institute, operating at the HAARP ionospheric observatory in Gakona,
Alaska. The three traces represent mutually orthogonal components of
the earth's magnetic field as follows:

The "H" component (black trace) is positive magnetic northward
The "D" component (red trace) is positive eastward
The "Z" component (blue trace) is positive downward

Geomagnetic storminess is usually indicated in oscillatory variations in the
earth's magnetic field. Additional detail concerning the nature and
severity of the ionospheric disturbance can be found through analysis of the
three components of the field.

Regards,
Steve


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Re: [CTRL] New issue of Paranoia out . . .

1999-04-20 Thread Teo One Thousand


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In a message dated 4/20/99 1:43:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Yes, the new issue of Paranoia - The Conspiracy Reader is out and with an
 article by yours truly -check it out at your local bookstore.

 Thankx, Al.

 Om
 K 

I have read it.  The whole article with much more information has been given
to us before by our esteemed editor and list owner Kris (AKA Robert)
Milligan.  The stuff that he has collected on the Skull and Bones is VERY
impressive in light of conspiracy theory.  It is one of the organizations
that could be said to unite the elite "controllers," and in fact may be THE
most important one.  Kris' father worked for the OSS and the CIA, and is
someone who did NOT sell out to the global drug trade and illegal policies of
those organizations, but rather, tried to warn his son and work for the true
benefit of the country for whom he worked.  Kris kudos to you on your
scholarship, and to your father who serves as an example of what it truly
means to be a "patriot," defying your masters requisites.
I highly recommend this work which can also be seen at our host website
Parascope.com, and other places on the net.  I also highly recommend this
magazine and urge everyone to get a copy, and or subscription.  For those who
have this copy and have been on list for a while will recognize the author of
another article in the magazine, one Judith ABR.
Check it out.
Teo1000

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[CTRL] PARANOIA sub. and another PLUG. . . .

1999-04-20 Thread Teo One Thousand


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Paranoia
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ALSO check out STEAMSHOVEL PRESS, by our own member Kenn Thomas the address
for that subscription is to be found at the steamshovel website.

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Re: [CTRL] Possibly 25 killed in Denver-area school shooting; 2suspects dead

1999-04-20 Thread Kevin


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 LITTLETON, Colo. (April 20, 1999 6:35 p.m. EDT
 http://www.nandotimes.com) - Three young men dressed in fatigues and black
 trench coats opened fire in a suburban high school Tuesday, scattering
 students as gunshots ricocheted off lockers in what police called a suicide
 mission. Jefferson County Sheriff John Stone said 25 people may have been
 killed. Two suspects were found dead inside the library hours later, he said.


 Ok, I guess the trenchcoats were either open or short enough to see the fatigues...


 He said the gunman who were found dead in the library at Columbine High
 School were students.


 Gunman or gunmen? Did he have a school roster with their pics?


 "It appears to be a suicide mission," Stone said.


 It does? Or did the SWAT team make sure of that


 It was not immediately known if the others killed were students or teachers,
 police said. Explosions also were heard in the school, and police said they
 had to search for bombs, slowing them down as they looked for victims.


 Killed? I thought it was 'suicide'...


 Some 4 1/2-hours later, police led away a student from the school in
 handcuffs.


 Just for everyone to see...


 "He's one of the ones who shot at us," said Chris Wisher, another student.
 Police had no immediate comment.


 Hey kid, take the binoculars and look at those 6 SWAT guys dragging that kid. Was
that one of them?


 Nearly two hours after the 11:30 a.m. shooting, SWAT team members entered
 the building and 15 to 20 students fled. The frightened students ran out with
 their hands in the air and were later frisked by police. Several other groups of
 youths ran from the school in the following hours after an armored car was
 brought to an entrance for cover.


This is even better. What great T.V. (I saw this).


 SWAT team members searching the building were able to see some
 wounded students but couldn't reach them because the area wasn't secure,
 said Steve Davis, spokesman for the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office.

 Television images, broadcast nationwide, showed police cars and
 ambulances at a staging area near the school, and helmeted officers in
 camouflage gear. At one point, a bloodied young man dangled from a second-
 floor window, his right arm limp, and was helped down by two SWAT team
 members. His condition was not immediately known.

 "We believe there are a few more victims," Davis said earlier. "We're hearing
 from deputies who can see from their vantage points more victims."

 One student, Kami Vest, called her father as she hid in the school with 30
 other students. "They have been able to call out on a cell phone and tell us they
 are OK," Dale Vest said. He said at midafternoon that she remained in hiding.


 I thought cell phones weren't allowed in school.


 President Clinton asked Americans to pray for the students, parents and
 teachers.


 While we keep killing those 'thugs' in Kosovo...


 Shortly after the school was stormed, three youths wearing black were
 stopped by police in a field near the school. The Colorado Bureau of
 Investigation told KUSA-TV the three were friends of the gunmen and were
 taken in for questioning.


 Guilt by association (wearing black)?


 Some witnesses said there were two gunmen and the shootings took place
 around the school, including the cafeteria and library.


 Possibly 2 more?


 "At first we just though they were firecrackers until we saw the guns come out
 of the trench coats," said student Justin Woods.


 Do people nowadays need to see a gun to tell the difference between the sound?


 "They walked down the stairs and they started shooting people," said another
 student, who gave her name as Janine. "We didn't think it was real and then
 we saw blood." Her voice broke with anguish as she spoke.


Now you need blood?


 She said it was two young men, wearing black trench coats.

 "They were shooting people and throwing grenades and stuff. ... Me and my
 friends got to my car and drove off," she said.


No big deal another day at school.


 Bob Sapin, another student, also said the gunmen were all in black, in trench
 coats and masks.


No fatigues? Musta been another group...


 "When they started walking down the hallway, I ran and I ran and I hid in the
 bushes," he said.

 Eight to 10 students in the school wear black trench coats every day, students
 said. Josh Nielsen said they are known as the "Trench Coat Mafia." Another
 student, Jason Greer, called them "jerks." "They are really strange, but I've
 never seen them do anything violent," he said.


Surprise. These strange jerks are violent. What is with the dress code?


 Sean Kelly, a 16-year-old junior, said members of the group kept to
 themselves and were "kind of gothic. They are wearing dusters. They wear
 them every day, all black clothing."

 "They're into guns and stuff like that," he added.


I thought gothic people liked vampires and the militia likes guns.


 At the adjacent Clement Park,

[CTRL] More Contrails over Northern California Tonight


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There are more contrails that were laid only a few minutes ago (6:00 pm
PDT) over San Francisco and the East Bay running roughly north-south.
These have expanded into dense clouds.

I saw a white plane flying in the same area and direction, then by the time I
got my camera nearby to snap a picture, it had apparently changed
direction! If there were two planes the first one did not have time to have
flown into a cloud because only a few seconds passed. I got several photos
of this plane after it apparently changed directions, and photos of the
contrails before and after they turned into billowing clouds.

Steve

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[CTRL] [Fwd: EU / NATO]

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 Original Message 
Subject: EU / NATO
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:09:08 -0700
From: nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: Nurev Independent Research

From- The Guardian
--J2
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Hand in hand on the
western front

In the discreet Belgian suburbs, two
powerful men are bonding

By Martin Walker
Monday April 19, 1999

As if he were conducting a secret love
affair, the calendar of the late and
unlamented European Commission
President, Jacques Santer, has for the past
year listed regular, early morning meetings
with someone identified only as "S''.

This discreet monthly rendezvous was a
breakfast with Javier Solana,
secretary-general of Nato. The two men did
not have far to travel. The Nato HQ is on
the main road to Brussels airport, in the
suburb of Evere, about seven minutes by
car from the Commission building at the
Schumann roundabout. But if Nato and the
EU Commission have inhabited the same
city for 33 years, they live officially on
different planets.

This has been deliberate. Nato only came
to Brussels in 1966, when President de
Gaulle evicted the HQ from France, and
French animosity towards the
US-dominated alliance ensured that it
stayed at arm's length from the institutions
of Europe. Hence the discretion of those
monthly breakfasts.

But the catalysing effect of the long Balkan
wars of the 1990s has been making this as
untenable as it is ridiculous. Nato and the
EU have stumbled and drifted into a roughly
rational form of division of labour for the
Balkans.

Nato does the hard political-military stuff
and the EU does the soft foreign policy of
humanitarian aid and reconstruction. At its
most absurd, this means Nato airstrikes
knock down Serbian telecommunications
towers and the EU helps finance their
reconstruction, so the warplanes can
knock them down again.

Kosovo means that the two institutions are
now joined at the hip. Germany's latest
proposal of a Marshall Plan to reconstruct
the Balkans and bring them into the EU
and Nato has now become simultaneously
Nato's war aim and the EU's long-term
peace plan.

This cosy new relationship was to have
been formalised later this week at a grand
jamboree for Nato's 50th birthday at which
Barbra Streisand was to sing and President
Bill Clinton was to put his seal on
America's gracious acceptance of a
separate European defence identity within
Nato.

Previous US administrations had sent stiff
diplomatic notes, warning that Nato's future
was at risk, whenever Europeans hesitantly
suggested such a heresy. The Clinton
team, recognising the value of lending their
intelligence and logistics assets while
Europe provided cannon-fodder for
operations of marginal US interest, has
been more relaxed.

It is a bit like the Indian Army of the British
Raj. The Americans provide the staff
officers, gunners and engineers; Europeans
are the sepoys. The problem is that,
except for our unusable nuclear weapons,
we Europeans are barely up to sepoy
status yet. We have 2 million men under
arms (compared to 1.2 million for the US)
but spend about two thirds of the US
defence budget, and are thus an entire
technological generation behind them.

It was when Tony Blair and President
Chirac were glumly informed by their
general staffs last year that the combined
French and British air forces could not
seize command of the air over puny Serbia
that the European revolution began. Britain
gave up its long insistence that Europe's
security depended on Nato and only Nato.
The French finally accepted that Nato need
not be merely a ploy to guarantee
American hegemony. And at the St Malo
summit last December, we jointly agreed to
promote a European defence system.

Last month at Reinhartshausen, the
Germans came up with a plan for the
bureaucracy to achieve this. It called for an
EU military committee, of equivalent status
to the EU's shadowy and powerful
monetary committee, which was the crucial
institution in the launch of the single
currency. The Germans also proposed
regular meetings of European general
staffs, which should be fun for the
Luxembourg colonel (commanding 800
troops) when he sits alongside the French
and British nuclear-armed grandees. "I felt I
was at the birth of an event as historic as
the launch of the euro,' commented Spain's
foreign minister, Abel Matutes.

He may well be right, because of yet
another revolution which has taken place to
join the American, French and British
rethinks. The Germans are finally shaking
off the long, post-war habits of deference,
thanks to the peace and love and radical
politics generation of 1969.

Just as it took Richard Nixon to open US
diplomatic relations with Red China, it took
that former Young Socialist revolutionary
Gerhard Schroeder and the erstwhile Green
pacifist Joschka Fischer to get the
Luftwaffe bombing Belgrade again.

So America's great postwar genetic
achievement, of transforming belligerent
Germans and Japanese into plump
bourgeois pussycats, is ending. And that

[CTRL] Fw: Implants Activated: Clinton Orders Trenchcoat Diversion. War Not Going Well

1999-04-20 Thread Lloyd Miller

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Also, Colorado was just about to pass a concealed weapons carry law...!

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From: s [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newsgroups: alt.fan.art-bell,alt.conspiracy
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: Implants Activated: Clinton Orders Trenchcoat Diversion. War
Not Going Well

Strange..but I was just thinking the same thing.
Maybe they were some sort of genetically engineered killers and then
planted into school. Their services activated when required. Who knows
how many more of these government planted robots exist.
Timing of this whole shit seems too coincidental.
Bet they try to take away fire-arms from civilians because of this.

Engine#9 wrote:

 What the fuck else makes sense? I know this doesn't but what does?
 Just as valid a theory as anything else.

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Re: [CTRL] Kenn Thomas on Art Bell

1999-04-20 Thread Kenn Thomas


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Don:

I'm not actually on the show with Art, but his substitute Hillly Rose. Put me in
touch with Gary Aldrich.

kt

Don Allen wrote:

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 At 04:41 PM 4/20/99 -0500, Kenn Thomas wrote:
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 Hi, CTRL!
 
 Hilly Rose is having me on the Art Bell show tonight from 1AM to 5AM Central
 Standard Time. There's a link to Bell at the Steamshovel site
 (http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma), plus news of my next lecture, Wayne
 Henderson on
 Kalifornia prisons, Acharya S on the X-rated Bible--a general update of the
 site.
 I haven't had a chance to do that for a while becuase I've been working on a
 new
 Gemstone book.

 I wish you success on the new Gemstone book. However, I MUST question
 your sanity for appearing on the Art Bell show. Are you that desparate
 for exposure? Bell is a certifiable idiot, a liar and a front line shill for
 the
 NWO.  Why don't you appear on Gary Aldrich's radio show instead? At
 least Aldrich has credibility, something that Fart Smell will never have.

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[CTRL] The Nature of Government -[1]-

1999-04-20 Thread philately


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Kris Millegan wrote:

 from:
 http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.16/pageone.html
 A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.16/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City Times - 
Volume 3 Issue 16/A
 -
 The Laissez Faire City Times
 April 19, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 16
 Editor  Chief: Emile Zola
 
 Government is a Quack Faith-Healer

 by Wolf DeVoon

 Humans exist in perfect freedom. Obedience is a choice.
 Government is therefore an illusion.

snip

from:
http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/tl07b.htm


THE NATURE OF GOVERNMENT
by Frederick Mann


Introduction
I've often asked, "If freedom is so good, and so many great
minds have praised and promoted it, then why is freedom in
danger of being wiped out?" One of my answers to this question
is that "government" is the main enemy of freedom, but nobody
I know of has come even close to accurately describing "government"
and communicating such an accurate description widely.

For about seventeen years I've been working on developing an
accurate description of "government" that could be communicated
widely. My work in this respect is still very much in the
experimental stage. Every reader of this article is invited
to provide me with comments and suggestions to improve our
description of "government" and its communication.

This article is aimed mainly at people who already know a great
deal about freedom - people who realize that in order to bring
about general human well-being, peace, happiness, health, prosperity,
 etc., we need to find a solution to the scourge of "government."
However, it's possible that people relatively new to freedom will
grasp its main thrust without too much difficulty.

The "nature of government" is a very important issue. I believe
that achieving an accurate, communicable description of the nature
of "government" will bring about a major turning point in history.
The fact that nobody (I know of) has come even close to this
achievement indicates that it's a very very major challenge.

As a preparation for studying this report, I highly recommend the
excellent article 'Lies Our Forefathers Told Us' by Victor Milan.
Mr. Milan identifies some very important basic aspects of
"government." I also suggest you study the "Government Traps"
section of '#FFP05: Harry Browne's Freedom Principles'. These
 materials will most likely help you to better understand what follows.

A Classic Description of the State

  "There are still peoples and herds somewhere, but not with us,
  my brothers: here there are states.

  The state? What is that? Well then! Now open your ears, for now I
  shall speak to you of the death of peoples.

  The state is the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly it lies, too;
  and this lie creeps from its mouth; 'I, the state, am the people.'

  It is a lie! It was creators who created peoples and hung a faith
  and a love over them: thus they served life.

  It is destroyers who set snares for many and call it the state:
  they hang a sword and a hundred desires over them.

  Where a people still exists, there the people do not understand the
  state and hate it as the evil eye and sin against custom and law.

  I offer you this sign: every people speaks its own language of good
  and evil: its neighbor does not understand this language. It invented
  this language for itself in custom and law.

  But the state lies in all languages of good and evil; and whatever
  it says, it lies - and whatever it has, it has stolen.

  Everything about it is false; it bites with stolen teeth.
  Even its belly is false.

  Confusion of the language of good and evil; I offer you this
  sign of the state. Truly, this sign indicates the will to death!
  Truly, it beckons to the preachers of death!

  Many too many are born: the state was invented for the superfluous!

  Just see how it lures them, the many-too-many! How it devours them,
  and chews them, and re-chews them!

  ... It would like to range heroes and honorable men about it,
  this new idol! It likes to sun itself in the sunshine of good
  consciences - this cold monster!

  It will give you everything if you worship it, this new idol:
  thus it buys for itself the luster of your virtues and the
  glance of your proud eyes.

  It wants to use you to lure the many-too-many. Yes, a cunning
  device of Hell has here been devised, a horse of death jingling
  with the trappings of divine honors!

  Yes, a death for many has here been devised that glorifies
  itself as life: truly a heart-felt service to all preachers
  of death!

  I call it the state where everyone, good and bad, is a poison-drinker:
  the state where everyone, good and bad, loses himself: the state
  where universal slow suicide is called - life."

This is how Friedrich Nietzsche described "the state" in his classic
Thus Spoke Zarathustra, in 1884. Typically, in the history classes
taught in the last generation in "government schools" in

[CTRL] The Nature of Government -[2]-

1999-04-20 Thread philately


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-[cont]-

http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/tl07b.htm


THE NATURE OF GOVERNMENT
by Frederick Mann


Two Tribes
Consider two different isolated tribes somewhere in the jungles
of South America. Call them Tribe 1 and Tribe 2. Each has its
unique language with its own structure. The language of tribe 1
(language 1) tends to be very literal. A man who fishes, for
example, is called "man-who-fishes." The same man, while
sleeping, is called "man-who-sleeps"; while talking, "man-
who-talks"; while running, -"man-who-runs"; while eating,
man-who-eats"; while writing, "man-who-writes"; while
making a chair, "man-who-makes-chair"; while giving orders,
"man-who-gives-orders"; etc. In language 1, distinctions are
made between different kinds of words: "Thing-words," "Do-
words," "How-words," "Story-words," "Funny-words," "order-
words," "Panic-words," "What-words," "Who-words," "Why-
words," "When-words," "Where-words," etc. Abstractions are
rare in language 1. To the people of tribe 1, any word that doesn't
refer to something physically perceivable, is highly suspect.
Their test for reality is physical.

The language of Tribe 2 (Language 2) is very different. A
man who obtains his wherewithal mostly by fishing, is called
"fisherman." (This system of nomenclature would seem absurd
to the people of Tribe 1 - how can you call someone a "fisherman"
when he is not fishing, but sleeping?) Language 2 contains many
abstractions - like "happiness." People from Tribe 2 can talk for
hours about "happiness." (To someone from Tribe 1, this would
be incomprehensible - they only talk about "woman-who-is-happy"
while she is happy, and "woman-who-is-sad" while she is sad.
The notion that you could separate "happiness" from a real person
being happy, and talk about "happiness" as if it existed by itself,
would be completely unthinkable to someone from Tribe 1.)

To the people from Tribe 2, any word being used is automatically
assumed to be part of existence, otherwise people wouldn't use it.
(To someone from Tribe 1, the word "existence" would be a
meaningless absurdity, because in their mentality only particular
objects exist.) In Tribe 2, the test for reality is agreement. If other
people agree with a word and the way it seems to be used, then
that word is automatically accepted as valid and useful. They
suffer from hypostatization.

One day a strange man arrives at the place where the people
of Tribe 1 live. They ask him: "Who you?" He: "I King". They:
"your name King?". He: "No; my name John." They: "Why call
self King if name John?" He: "I special person, agent of God."
They: "You look different but not special; who God?" He: "God
creator of world." They: "Where God?; How create world?" He:
"God everywhere; God all-powerful." They: "How we see God?"
He: "Can't see God." They: "You speak crazy." He: "No; I special;
I show you." Whereupon the stranger performs various tricks like
apparently making objects appear and disappear. They: "You clever
man-who tricks." He: "I special; I King." They: "You speak funny;
you clever John-who-tricks." He: "I King; my word law." They:
"What law? - special word?" He: "Yes; my word law - you must
obey." They: "Ah! You mean order-word!" He: "Yes; I King; I
make law." They: "No; you speak order-word?" He: "Yes; I
special". They: "What special? - Anybody speak order-word?"
He: "You not understand." They: "No."

Eventually John-the-stranger gives up trying to convince the people
of Tribe 1 that he has a "special status" and that his words are
different from the words of anyone else - so he leaves, to search
for more gullible and impressionable victims elsewhere...

For many days and nights he trudges through the jungle before
discovering the people of Tribe 2. They: "Who you?" He: "I King."
They: "Your name King?" He: "No, my name John." They: "Why
call self King if name John?" He: "I special person, agent of God."
They: "You look different; what God?" He: "God creator of world."
They: Where God?; How create world?" He "God everywhere;
God all-powerful." They: "Show special?" Whereupon the stranger
performs various tricks like apparently making objects appear
and disappear. They: "You King, agent of God." He: "Yes, my
word law." They: "What law?" He: "Law special word of God
through me; you must obey." Whereupon the people of Tribe 2
bow down and kiss the feet of John - they do not habitually test
abstractions against reality, so they readily accept John-the-
stranger as their "King" and his word as "law." Thereafter all
he has to do to control and dominate them, is to open his mouth...

"Government" is a Form of Parasitism or Cannibalism
The reason why people call themselves "government" is because
it provides them with advantages - if they can get away with it. In
the case of tribe 1, John-the-stranger called himself "King," but
the people didn't buy it, so he left. However, the gullible people
from tribe 2 believed him, so they became his "subjects" -
meaning he

[CTRL] The Nature of Government -[3]-

1999-04-20 Thread philately


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-[cont]-

"Government" is Kept in Place by Brainwashing
My book Wake Up America! The Dynamics of Human Power
(available from Terra Libra) includes a chapter titled
"Are our Schools Concentration Campuses for Mind Destruction?"
in which I describe "education" in some detail.

Ayn Rand's The New Left: The Anti-Industrial Revolution,
contains a chapter, "The Comprachicos." Comprachico is a
Spanish word meaning "child-buyer." The comprachicos were
a nomadic association, notorious in the seventeenth century.
They bought and sold children - special children, children
turned into deformed freaks, used in freak shows to amuse
the public. At an early age they placed a young child in a
porcelain pot with a grotesque form. As the child's body
grew, it had to assume the shape of the pot. The result was
a deformed freak for people to laugh at.

Rand uses the practice of the comprachicos as an analogy to
describe American "education." She refers to our "educators"
as "the comprachicos of the mind." Children's minds are forced
to assume the shape of a grotesque "intellectual pot." Rand
describes the result:

"The students' development is arrested, their minds are set to
respond to slogans, as animals respond to a trainer's whistle,
their brains are embalmed in the syrup of altruism as an automatic
substitute for self-esteem... They would obey anyone, they need
a master, they need to be told what to do. They are ready now to
be used as cannon fodder - to attack, to bomb, to burn, to murder,
to fight in the streets and die in the gutters. They are a trained pack
of miserably impotent freaks, ready to be unleashed against anyone."
[emphasis added]

In every part of the world, the monsters who masquerade as
"government," do their utmost to achieve monopoly control of
the so-called "education system" - they try to make it compulsory
so all children will be subjected to government brainwashing.
The result is that practically every victim is degraded into an
unthinking follower... or unthinking rebel.

"Government" is Kept in Place by Mass Hallucination
My Webster's definition of hallucination includes the following:

Perception of objects with no reality;
A completely unfounded or mistaken impression or notion.

We could also describe hallucination as "seeing" or "perceiving"
what's not there - or "seeing" or "perceiving" more than exists in
reality.

Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) could be described as the
science of representational systems. In our brains we have "neural
patterns" or "models" that attempt to represent reality. For example,
in my brain I have a "picture" of a table. If someone asks me to draw
a picture of a table, I access the "picture" or "model" in my head,
from which I then draw a table. These "pictures," "models," or
"neural patterns" are called representational systems. They include
intellectual, emotional, visual, auditory, and other sensory data.

Our representational systems are more or less "useful." To the extent
that we use them to predict accurately and produce desirable results,
we regard them as useful. NLP people have identified three major
ways in which our representational systems differ from reality:

Generalization - e.g., the representational system called "furniture"
- or the "intellectual" neural pattern: "all women are the same."

Distortion - e.g., "the color of my car is blue" - the physicist tells
us this is a distortion; it's more accurate to say that my car's outer
surface reflects light with the wavelength we call "blue," while
absorbing light with other wavelengths.

Deletion - e.g., "Tom is a wonderful, generous, happy, healthy
individual" - Tom has many other attributes, some of which have
been ignored or "deleted" from my representational system.

I've identified a very important fourth way in which our
representational systems differ from reality:

Addition - e.g., "John-the-stranger is a King, therefore he has
special powers; and the words that come out of his mouth are
special and therefore are the law which must be obeyed."
John is really an ordinary man. By representing him as a
"King" in our representational systems, we have added
something to what exists in reality. Similarly, John's words
are ordinary like those of the rest of us, and when we
represent some of his words as "the law" in our representational
systems, we have added something to what occurs in reality.

The essence of hallucination is "seeing" or "perceiving" what
doesn't really exist or occur. The phenomenon of addition, as
described above, is simply hallucination. To have a neural
patterns or mental models that say "the government runs the
country," "government makes law," "Slick Willy is President
of the U.S.A.," all constitute hallucination.

It's these forms of hallucination that keep "government" in place.
Because practically all humans suffer from similar political
hallucinations, they tend to all agree with each other about certain
fundamental political concepts and notions

Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat

1999-04-20 Thread Kenn Thomas


 -Caveat Lector-

I'm seeing indications linking the Colorado shootings to The Basketball Diaries,
a movie where Leonardo DiCaprio dressed in a black trenchcoat blows people away.
It's based on a book by Jim Carroll, a writer connected to the
Kerouac/Ginsberg/Burroughs nexus of beat poets. You can bet that the cause of this
violence will be tracked to everywhere but the actual source. The play-acting
violence of Hollywood, poor beatnik morals, but not the military state that
creates the current violent climate.

kt

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[CTRL] Interesting articles quotes

1999-04-20 Thread Bill Richer


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***
Carrying Gore's Water

"I was talking earlier this week to a former member of the Clinton national
security team...and he says, you know, the President's main job these days
seems to be as campaign manager for Al Gore and...he doesn't want the problem
of ground troops hung around his neck running for president."

- Cokie Roberts, ABC's "This Week," 4/11/99


The Clinton/Gore Fundraising Tour

The little "war" in Kosovo hasn't stopped the Clinton/Gore duo from doing
what they do best:  sucking up campaign cash.  Since the bombing began on
March 24, either Clinton and Gore have attended ten major fundraising events
- more than one fundraiser for every 72 hours of bombing!

*  March 29 - Gore 2000 luncheon in Chicago
*  March 29 - Gore 2000 reception in Birmingham
*  April 6 - Gore 2000 BBQ in Woodside, CA
*  April 6 - Gore 2000 dinner in Beverly Hills
*  April 16 - Gore featured at fundraiser for Rep. David Obey (D-WI) in
Wassau, WI
*  April 16 - Clinton featured at Democrat Senatorial/Congressional luncheon
in Dearborn, Mich.
*  April 16 - Gore 2000 reception in Nashville
*  April 16 - Clinton featured at Democrat Senatorial/Congressional dinner in
Boston
*  April 19 - Gore 2000 luncheon in Cincinnati
*  April 19 - Gore 2000 reception in Chicago

*
First Things First

"Since the bombing began, President Clinton and Vice President Gore have
raised funds at a breakneck pace.  In fact, they've had twice as many
fundraisers as meetings with the Congressional leadership since the bombing
began.  The Commander in Chief and his second in command ought to be more
focused on the targets in Kosovo, and less on meeting their fundraising
targets."

- RNC Chairman Jim Nicholson, 4/16/99

**
Clinton Golfs While Kosovo Burns

"President Clinton hasn't been one to worry much about appearances, but going
on fundraising trips and golf outings while serving as the Commander in Chief
does strike us as unnecessarily unseemly.  Mr. Clinton spent much of Friday
attending Democratic fundraisers in Dearborn, Mich., and Boston.  Because
some nominal Presidential function is scheduled, taxpayers finance these
money sweeps.  Meanwhile, Mr. Clinton has been rather regularly getting in
golf rounds in Washington.  It's hard to see how such insouciance does much
for the morale of the people carrying out his orders in Yugoslavia."

- Wall Street Journal editorial, 4/19/99

*
Putting Fundraisers First

"I would agree that a cease-fire on fundraisers would be a good idea during
the duration of the war."

- Bill Press, former California Democrat Party Chairman and liberal host of
CNN's "Crossfire," 4/15/99

*
Military Ignoramus

"The man (Bill Clinton) is an ass.  He has no concept of a military
operation.  To him, it's just a video game.  What we don't know is how many
body bags it will take to make this jerk face reality."

- Unidentified career military officer, as quoted by columnist Doug Thompson

***
Massive Depression in the Ranks

"I've been around the military for more than 30 years and I have never seen
morale this low.  Bill Clinton has destroyed the soul of our armed forces."

- Former Navy Capt. Al Simonson, as quoted by columnist Doug Thompson

***
Inman Becomes #399

"North Hanover, New Jersey Democrat Mayor Kenneth Inman has filed to run for
re-election -- as a Republican.  Inman is the latest in a long line of
elected Democrats who have changed parties since the November 1992 election.
Inman announced his switch was based on his personal distaste for the recent
Washington scandal.  'I did it because of my own personal reasons. I can't
condone President Clinton's actions, and I don't want to be affiliated with
the party he's affiliated with.'  Mayor's Inman's decision to join with the
Republicans officially starts the number 400 clock.  Who will it be?  Watch
this space for the answer."

- Peter Roff, GOPAC, 4/19/99

**
New GOP Club in Las Vega

Nichole Ecklund advises us of a new GOP club being formed:  the Junior
Republican Women of Las Vegas.  The club is open to women between the ages of
18-30 and annual dues is set at just $20 per year.  For additional
information, contact club president Allison Andronaco at 702-248-1351 or
e-mail Nichole at:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[CTRL] Fwd: Albania and oil







Mecantile States and the World Oil Cartel, p. 194:

"In their new harmony [following selective joint
production and marketing agreements in 1928] Royal
Dutch-Shell, Anglo Persian [British Petroleum], and
Burmah interests became equally peevish about Soviet
oil exports to Asia via the Suez Canal.  In France,
Soviet Oil was sold through national companies, but as
elsewhere 1928 marked a turning point.  Italy had
earlier recognized the Albanian government of Ahmed
Zaku [aka Ahmed Zogou, crowned as "Zog the 1st"] who
received loans and financial support from Great
Britain; he granted concessions in Albania to
Anglo-Persian, which agreed to sell 40 to 50 percent of
the oil pumped there to Italy.  On 30 and 31 July 1928,
as the working agreement for Iraq was signed, the Anglo
Persian and Italian companies, including the
state-owned Agip and two other Italian independent
companies, met in Paris and, the next day, in Lausanne
to sign agreements that phased Soviet oil out of the
Italian market. Anglo-Persian became the principal
supplier."

A footnote adds:

"Fear of turning Italy back to Soviet oil may have
prevented League of Nations oil sanctions from being
imposed on Italy when it invaded Ethiopia."

The book does not cover Italy's invasion of Albania but
it does look to me to have been an oil-driven event.
Bracketed material was added by me for the purposes of
this post.   The general theme developed here is that
part of the purpose of the famous 1928 internatinal oil
agreements was to reduce Soviet export presence in
world markets.   -gn.

--
Gregory P. Nowell
Associate Professor
Department of Political Science, Milne 100
State University of New York

Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat

1999-04-20 Thread Liz Schumacher


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sorry, i dont see a' military state" that caused the tradegy in CO-the
military has been cut, and swiped away for years
rather i blame the fact that no one raises our kids anymore
they raise themselves
and they are not doing too well
liz

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Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat

1999-04-20 Thread M.A. Johnson


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Kenn Thomas wrote:
You can bet that the cause of this violence will be tracked
to everywhere but the actual source.


You certainly missed it ... individual responsibility coupled
with piss-poor parenting.

Regard$,
--MJ

Responsibility by definition means answerable or accountable for.
And what is a person responsible for? Everything he thinks, says
or does. Why? Because no matter what or whom one can blame for
the circumstances of his life, he is still stuck with the
consequences of everything he thinks, says or does. People can
be terribly unreliable but never irresponsible. Thus there is
no way a person can be irresponsible because everyone is
answerable or accountable for everything he thinks, say or
does, does not do or neglects to do. Until people fully
realize that they are totally responsible for their lives,
we as a society collectively will be operating under a false
and distorted assumption of what responsibility means.
 -- Sidney Madwed

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Re: [CTRL] Black op Kodak?


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In a message dated 4/20/99 4:08:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Rochester


Is very spooky, follow the monies.

Om
K
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Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
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[CTRL] Fwd: Ethiopia/Eritrea/Somalia






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Stratfor's FREE Kosovo Crisis Center -
http://www.stratfor.com/kosovo/crisis/
The most comprehensive coverage of the
Kosovo Crisis anywhere on the Internet
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STRATFOR's
Global Intelligence Update
April 21, 1999

Conflict Spreads in Horn of Africa

Summary:

Somali warlords have accused Ethiopian troops of launching raids
deep in Somali territory.  While the allegations have been denied
by the Ethiopian government, still it appears that the conflict
between Ethiopia and Eritrea is spreading by proxy, threatening
to involve not only Somalia but also Sudan and even Egypt.

Analysis:

The Somali newspaper Mogadishu Times reported April 19 that
Ethiopian troops have reached Bardaale in the Bay region of
Somalia, northwest of Mogadishu.  The newspaper charged that the
Ethiopian forces had already seized many areas in the neighboring
Gedo region, which borders Ethiopia and Kenya.  Ethiopia denied
allegations earlier this month that it had sent heavily armed
forces to intervene in factional fighting in Gedo region, and
will no doubt deny this deeper incursion into Somalia.  However,
evidence suggests that the conflict between Ethiopia and Eritrea
continues to spill over into neighboring states, intensifying
local conflicts and threatening to destabilize the region.

Somali warlords Hussein Mohamed Aideed, Ali Mahdi Mohamed, and
Omar Haji Mohamed "Masale" sent a letter to UN Secretary General
Kofi Annan on April 11, charging that heavily armed Ethiopian
forces had launched a series of attacks in Gedo region beginning
April 8, and demanding that the UN Security Council take action
against Addis Ababa.  Copies of the letter were sent to the Arab
League, the OAU, and the Intergovernmental Authority on
Development (IGAD). The warlords alleged that Ethiopian forces
had occupied the towns of Bulo Hawo and Dollo in Gedo region and
had arrested local leaders.

Ethiopian government spokeswoman Selome Tadesse called the Somali
allegations "unfounded" and an attempt by "devious forces" to
portray Ethiopia as an invader.  She said that Ethiopia had
captured a group of Somalis on the 10th or 11th near Dollo as
they attempted to smuggle large amounts of explosives from
multiple countries of origin into Ethiopia.  However the BBC,
Agence France Presse, and the Indian Ocean Newsletter all
reported that Ethiopian troops had intervened in the area on
behalf of one faction in a power struggle within the Somali
National Front -- the faction opposed to Omar Haji Mohamed and
the Mogadishu warlords.  Kenya has reportedly closed its border
with Somalia in the region, and the Arab League has stated its
concern with the Ethiopian Army's presence within Somalia, and
announced that it would ask Addis Ababa to withdraw the troops.

Bulo Hawo is reportedly a stronghold of the fundamentalist rebel
group Al-Ittihad Al-Islam, and Ethiopia has carried out attacks
on the group several times in the past.  Ethiopia's rebel Oromo
Liberation Front (OLF), which has allegedly received Libyan-
funded arms shipments from Eritrea, is also reportedly active in
Gedo region.  As we reported April 7, both Ethiopia and Eritrea
are arming competing factions in Somalia in a growing proxy war
[http://www.stratfor.com/services/giu/040799.asp].  In addition
to the list of countercharges outlined in our last report,
Ethiopia has alleged that Arab doctors are tending to wounded
Eritrean officers at a clinic in southern Somalia controlled by
Hussein Mohamed Aideed.  Ethiopia also suggested that the recent
kidnapping of three people in eastern Ethiopia was carried out by
the Ogaden National Liberation Front, also allegedly supported by
Eritrea via Aideed in Somalia.  Aideed, in turn, claimed his
militia killed three Somali agents of the Ethiopian government
sent to Mogadishu to abduct Oromo rebel leaders.  An official at
Ethiopia's embassy in Nairobi denied Aideed's allegation, calling
it "a continuation of the fabrications made by certain forces in
Somalia who are explicitly supported by Eritrea."

While the spillover of the Ethiopian-Eritrean conflict into
Somalia is apparently increasing, it is not the only potentially
dangerous extension of that conflict.  Sudan's foreign ministry
on April 19 requested a postponement of peace talks with the
opposition Sudan People's Liberation Army (SPLA), scheduled to be
held April 20-25 in Nairobi, under the auspices of the IGAD.
Sudan has charged the SPLA with repeatedly violating a cease fire
agreement.  While it was Khartoum that called off the talks, the
Ethiopian-Eritrean war is having a serious impact on the peace
process.  Ethiopia and Eritrea are both members of the IGAD, and
both have actively supported and hosted the Sudanese opposition
forces.  The Ethiopian-Eritrean conflict has thrown regional
alliances into a flux, disrupting the Sudanese opposition, while
the conflict has also undermined Ethiopia and Eritrea's
contribution to IGAD's

[CTRL] Fwd: FC: GUILTY! Day 6 of Washington State Cypherpunk Trial







http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/19239.html

 Guilty Verdict for Cypherpunk
 by Chris Stamper

 5:30 p.m.  20.Apr.99.PDT
 TACOMA, Washington -- A federal judge
 on Tuesday ruled an itinerant musician
 and cypherpunk was guilty of threatening
 government officials and Bill Gates.

 "There's a line between free speech and
 criminal speech," said US District Judge
 Robert J. Bryan. He declared Carl Johnson
 guilty on four counts brought against him
 by the Internal Revenue Service and the
 Justice Department.

 The charges stem from a series of
 freewheeling essays posted last year to
 the cypherpunks mailing list, an online
 discussion area populated by an anarchic
 collection of encryption and privacy
 advocates.

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Re: [CTRL] Please Use PEACE TARGET Logos

1999-04-20 Thread AOL User


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Universal peace can't  save you, don't you see?  It is a fiction.

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Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat

1999-04-20 Thread Thomas, Kenneth F.


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I know CTRL readers won't go for this simplistic ballyhoo. Here's a good
place to start looking for real answers about the school shootings:

http://www2.flatlandbooks.com/flatland/Gatto.html


---

You certainly missed it ... individual responsibility coupled
with piss-poor parenting.

Regard$,
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Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat


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Also the movie Heathers.sweet little Wynona Ryder, and this
Christian Slater;  a gun in a cafeteria, to a murder of a popular young
student, to bombs awaywhen I saw this movie some years back I was
horrified.

And please be assured, these movie stars and the script writers know
exactly what they are doing.Wag the Dog is a joke compared to wht
they have done.

The latest trend is it not, to murder school kidsHalloween, was i
designed to terrify little children and turn murderers and butchers
against them?

And what about abortion; if a woman wants an abortion, do it quietly
between the doctor and patientnow our children observe their mothers
murdering their babies.   Arent we nice and setting nice examples...let
alone Doctor Kovorkian, or whatever his name is.   He is where he
belongs; they should put him on death role to assist those condemned to
die, in a more humane manner

The movie industry is controlled by our government; the five major
publishing houses were bought by the Mafia some time back, and in 1974
World Publishing was bought up by the Mafia, and of course, they
published masonic bibles, etc.

Now here is Clinton playing another humanitarian role, while he and his
butchers of Waco and the Balkans send in armed troop virtually ready to
blast away at the school.   Can you imagine what might have happened
here, if the killers were alone in the building...and had not killed
themselves.

This country is kill krazy; who indoctrinted these children.

The one thing that I detested this afternoon, was a young man, who said
"oh nobody liked them, they were scum"now I wonder why these kids
would do as they did.who got their hooks into them, who set them
offand why today?These kids were obviously on drugs, and this
Mafia stuffwell how about a few moremovies with DiNiro playing the
Godfather; he is in trouble now in Italy for criminal connections.

A lot of evil is coming out of Colorado; from Ted Bundy, the guy that
shot Reagan, these kids, the little Jon Benet Ramsey.the horrible
movie that got the Oscar, about the butchers which was said to be a
comedy that got an academy award.

Under the constitution the Arts and Sciences are not only protected, but
controlled; these are the propaganda machines, and our children are
their victims.

Why all the garbage on television; and Clinton has more pain and
suffering today; I wonder what these children think of sodomy in the
Oval Office and of a President who sends out butchers to do his dirty
work.

Maybe these kids are following his example; from their written messages,
it would appear so...Clinton is following in the steps of the Nazi
party...but I do not think our military will go along with this
peacefully.

colleen

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Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat


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You certainly missed it ... individual responsibility coupled with
piss-poor parenting.

Assuming of course that they weren't mind controlled zombies.

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Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat


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Well, lets just hear it for all those Souther Baptist God Shouters, who
pushed a few other kids over the brink.

So the kids were scum, and they got their revenge.   Pierced ears and
pierced eyerows on kids, is a form of self mutiliation tht is really not
acceptable; it fact, it is rather whorish on little girls.

And the kid who said "nobody liked them; they are scum" well these
stupid ignorant insensitive people paid a high price for their cruelty.
They pushed too hard, and drove two kids over a cliff.

Do I call that a nice school with nice people?   No - they will be
shedding tears for the public for months to come - like the little girl
that murdered her two babies and some were sucker enough to buy that
story.

These people know what drove those kids over the brinkoh well, as
they say - how many abortions were performed today.

Nobody seems to really care about that do theyoh that is right, they
did blow up  a few abortion clinics.

What this society needs is more Zoloft and Prozac, and a few more kids
in these little secret societies - like the little Jobs Daughters or the
little Churches who exclude non=-members.

It does not take a brain to realize tht the entire community of
Littleton shares the blame wht happened there today.

In particular, I loved the one woman smiling for the television cameras,
until she was asked what she was smiling about.

These people are all sick;   one man screaming in the background was cut
off - you see, he had reported to the police, that these sick children
had threatened the life of his sonnow I wonder why.

colleen

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Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat


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Kids need a sense of belonging to something or someone; well, someone
got their hooks into the kids the wore the Black Trenchcoats.they
belonged, and they were the avengers in bloodeven though they were
not of royal descent.

They better get behind this and find the teacher looking for the weak
linksas they say, By Their Fruits You Shall Know Them

I wonder if they took any golden earrings from their prey

Had these kids been into Rosicrucianism?
Or Theosophy?  Obviously, they had been into something relevant to a
secret society, having formed their own little Mafia

Oh well, nobody liked them anywaythey were "scum", but they took a
lot of innocents with them when they went.

If I were the police, I would do a little checking on the ones with the
biggest mouths on TV, who shed not a tear.

Colleen

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Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat

1999-04-20 Thread Mike Moxley


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Blame the victims and coddle the criminals.
The only thing that is going to stop this nonsense is public executions
after conviction.


At 12:42 AM 4/21/99 -0400, you wrote:
 -Caveat Lector-

Well, lets just hear it for all those Souther Baptist God Shouters, who
pushed a few other kids over the brink.

So the kids were scum, and they got their revenge.   Pierced ears and
pierced eyerows on kids, is a form of self mutiliation tht is really not
acceptable; it fact, it is rather whorish on little girls.

And the kid who said "nobody liked them; they are scum" well these
stupid ignorant insensitive people paid a high price for their cruelty.
They pushed too hard, and drove two kids over a cliff.

Do I call that a nice school with nice people?   No - they will be
shedding tears for the public for months to come - like the little girl
that murdered her two babies and some were sucker enough to buy that
story.

These people know what drove those kids over the brinkoh well, as
they say - how many abortions were performed today.

Nobody seems to really care about that do theyoh that is right, they
did blow up  a few abortion clinics.

What this society needs is more Zoloft and Prozac, and a few more kids
in these little secret societies - like the little Jobs Daughters or the
little Churches who exclude non=-members.

It does not take a brain to realize tht the entire community of
Littleton shares the blame wht happened there today.

In particular, I loved the one woman smiling for the television cameras,
until she was asked what she was smiling about.

These people are all sick;   one man screaming in the background was cut
off - you see, he had reported to the police, that these sick children
had threatened the life of his sonnow I wonder why.

colleen

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Re: [CTRL] 'Waco' Producer: WACO Lesson unlearned (fwd)

1999-04-20 Thread Howard R. Davis III


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Paul Argent wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 To anyone who has seen "Terms of Engagement" i strongly recommend it as one
 of the best documentary's i've ever seen.

 For what it's worth a few comments on Waco:

 Waco was not about religion, it was about non conformity. Branch Davidians
 were non conformist in terms of their religion. Nevertheless, the issue
 seems to be that modern western society is unable to deal with individuals
 who are different or espouse unconventional beliefs, whether religious,
 political or social.

 Any comments welcome.


It has also been suggested that a couple of the people there had expert
abilities with computers and had tapped into information about the
connections between government agencies and street gangs in LA. You will
remember the ATF agents going into the window upstairs? That was where
the computers were kept.

Howard Davis

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Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference

1999-04-20 Thread Howard R. Davis III


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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip

 But Edison had too much money invested in his
 DC system, so Tommy did his best to discredit
 Tesla around every turn. Edison constantly
 tried to show that AC electricity was far
 more dangerous than his DC power. Tesla
 counteracted by staging his own marketing
 campaign. At the 1893 World Exposition in
 Chicago (attended by 21 million people),
 he demonstrated how safe AC electricity was
 by passing high frequency AC power through
 his body to power light bulbs. He then was
 able to shoot large lightning bolts from
 his Tesla coils to the crowd without harm.
 Nice trick!

Yes, and not exactly honest. He was using high frequency, low amperage.
Not exactly what you would find in a home.


 http://home.nycap.rr.com/useless/tesla/tesla.html

 Here's a task for you to try:

 Go check your encyclopedia to find the answers to the following questions: (answers 
are given in
 parentheses)

 1) Who invented the radio? (Marconi)

 2) Who discovered X-rays? (Roentgen)

 3) Who invented the vacuum tube amplifier? (de Forest)

 In fact, while you're at it, check to see who discovered the fluorescent bulb, neon 
lights,
 speedometer, the automobile ignition system, and the basics behind radar, electron 
microscope, and
 the microwave oven.
 Chances are that you will see little mention of a guy named Nikola Tesla, the most 
famous scientist
 in the world at the turn of the century.
 In fact, few people today have ever heard of the guy. Good old Tommy Edison made 
sure of that.

*
Tesla worked in all these areas, it is true. However, he never developed
a commercial fluorescent bulb. Money for this was invested by John Jacob
Astor, but instead of using it for that purpose Tesla built his lab in
Colorado Springs. He did design a speedometer, but I believe that it
operated differently than those we now use. The ignition system? That
was around before him. What was it that differed from those previously
available? Electron microscope and microwave oven? He had patents on
these? I never heard of them. Have you seen them?


 After all, Tesla was considered an eccentric who talked of death rays that could 
destroy 10,000
 airplanes at a distance of 250 miles, claimed to be able split the Earth in two, 
believed that both
 voice and image could be transmitted through the air (in the late 1800's), and 
essentially told
 Edison to take his DC electrical system and stick it you know where.

 In other words, anyone that has even heard of Tesla probably considers him to be a 
first class
 wacko.

*
No, most people who have heard of him seem to think that he was the
greatest genius of all time. They completely fail to see that most of
his problems were caused by his own dishonesty and arrogance. I know, I
used to think in the same way.


 But, the times are a changin'.

 The problem is that Tesla probably could do all these things that he claimed were 
possible.

*
Maybe, maybe not. He made great claims for his pump, but he was not able
to develop it, though he did have support. People are still trying
unsuccessfully to reach the efficiencies he claimed for it.


In fact,
 Tesla invented every single one of the items listed above (but gets no credit) and 
much more. Look
 around you and chances are Tesla is somehow responsible for most of the things that 
make modern life
 so modern.


He does not get credit because except for the AC generator and motor, he
did not develop them to a point where they were commercially viable.


 No doubt about it, Nikola Tesla is the greatest mind since da Vinci.
 So who is this genius?

 Little Nicky Tesla was born in Smijlan, Croatia way back in 1856. He had an 
extraordinary memory and
 spoke six languages. He spent four years at the Polytechnic Institute at Gratz 
studying math,
 physics, and mechanics.

 What made Tesla great, however, was his amazing understanding of electricity. 
Remember that this was
 a time when electricity was still in its infancy. The lightbulb hadn't even been 
invented yet.

 When Tesla first came to the United States in 1884, he worked for Thomas Edison. 
Edison had just
 patented the lightbulb, so he needed a system to distribute electricity.

 Edison had all sorts of problems with his DC system of electricity. He promised 
Tesla big bucks in
 bonuses if he could get the bugs out of the system. Tesla ended up saving Edison 
over $100,000
 (millions of $$$ by today's standards), but Edison refused to live up to his end of 
the bargain.

***

This story may or may not be true. No one else verified it. Why did
Tesla not get this agreement in writing? Was his understanding of what
Edison agreed to insufficient, etc? And, as far as following agreements,
Tesla did not follow his agreements with either Astor or Morgan. It is
often claimed that J.P. Morgan pulled the rug

[CTRL] Drudge: Trenchcoat Mafia

1999-04-20 Thread Mike Moxley


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X DRUDGE REPORT X 04/20/99 16:22:55 ET X

TRENCHCOAT MAFIA PLACED WARNING OF COMING SCHOOL MASSACRE ON AOL; GANG MAY
HAVE PLANNED SHOOTING

**Exclusive**

A gang called TRENCHCOAT MAFIA may have been planning today's shooting at a
suburban high school in Colorado.

One user profile found on AMERICA ONLINE states: "Preparin' for the big
april 20!! You'll all be sorry that day!"

The AOL handle "LCaress" -- claiming to be a "Trenchcoat Mafia" gang member
from Littleton, Colorado -- warns of the April 20 date.

Another AOL member, using the handle "AzMstr17" warns about a fight against
the "Power Boyz" -- and declares that "cOlUmBInE HigH ScHoOl SuCks".

Member Name: Jessie
Location: 7th layer of hell NeAr DeNver Yo'
Birthdate: August 13, 1982
Sex: Male
Marital Status: ToSsInG My bItCh QuEeN's SalAd
Hobbies: hAnGinG PoPpErs ExTaSSeeY BoYYee Ya Ya FloCkO SEaGuLLs Yo yO
Computers: RhYdIn RUlZ ThE LAnD UnDer hiS BlA C K BooTz
Occupation: TRENCH COAT MAFIA iN Da HoUse BoYeEeeeEeeEEsss, hAnGiN,
baNgInn, fStiNg, ToSSin Da' SAlAd Yo yO
Personal Quote: "fIgHt Da PoWeR BoYz.. tReNcH CoAt MaFiA RULZ
cOlUmBInE HigH ScHoOl SuCks

One 10th-grader at the school says that he heard gunmen say "they were
gonna kill all the jocks," seconds before one of them held a gun to his
head. A student identifying himself as Aaron Cahon told KOA radio that he
believes the gunmen belong to a group in the school known as the
"Trenchcoat Mafia."

A notice posted on the Internet on Tuesday read:

"Greetings Gay Bikers,

Today, a bunch of our fellow homosexuals at Columbine HS in Denver
Colorado, known as the Trench Coat Mafia, decided that they had taken
enough crap from the straight community that had been abusing them and have
decided to take matters into their own hands. We should all applaud their
bravery and hope that they can hold out as long as possible in their fight
for gay people everywhere. We can only hope that they can turn this into
the gay alamo and hold out for 13 days of glory. If they can hold out for
two days I think gay bikers everywhere should considering riding into
Denver as a relief force to fight alongside them.

We need to show solidarity!!!

Queen Jeff"

[ The message is found at:
http://x16.dejanews.com/[ST_rn=qs]/getdoc.xp?AN=468757180CONTEXT=924646229
.364052583hitnum=0 ]
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Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat


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Let me tell you something, Mr. Moxley; working in a Court, there was one
attorney who always bothered me - and I always said about him ' Be Nice
to the Nuts..

Well a few years ago, this lawyer ended up working in a Casino in Las
Vegas, and one night came in with a sub machine gun and tryed to rob the
place;  he was gunned down, before he killed anyonehe now resides in
a prison.

The point I am trying to make is this; this man to me was obviously sick
and need professional help - and I bent over backwards to assist him
when he needed help.he did nt get the help he needed, and ended up
shooting up a casino where he could have gunned down a lot of innocent
gamblers..

I am always nice to the nuts.and you know, that one kid the killers
warned away today - the one said "get out of here, we always liked
you"and he did.

So human kindness could prevent a lot of trouble; blaming the victims -
well, yes in their ignorance and youth, they probably didnot realize wht
they were doing.  But the teachers and the police, had all been
warnedand did nothing.

Sick people are sick people; we had a football coach commit suicide,
whom I never liked because he was cruel in many ways; there was a
policeman hwo committed suicide, who went out of his way to inflict pain
and was an alcoholic; there was a killer on the loose up a highway, who
murdered 8 or 9 persons with whom the police mingled everyday.

You never know with whom you are dealing.   Therefore, it would be wise
to treat people with a little common courtesy, and the last thing you
would want to do is to ridicule a sick person.   Have you ever studied
abnormal psychology?

Well, there is a lot of blame to put around that community tonight; and
a lot of innocents were hurt.   The school prinipal, it seemed, is more
concerned about the CYA club and her job, than what caused this
disaster.

And oh this police official - not one word that he had been approached
about the one kid being possibly a bit psycho - but then who woud ever
notice someone dressed in black every dayafter all we are getting
accusomed to the D Platoons and BATF running around like nazi storm
troopers; maybe these kids were folloiwng their examples.
Colleen

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[CTRL] Fwd: [prj] pink swastika


Just received this and it should be of some interest.

Everything here from mind control to connections to these kids today who
went not out of character, but rather under a control of drugs or other
control did what they did

colleen

PS  there are connections here to Sirhan I imagine, and some of these
secret societies who go into drug manipulation, etc.  This does look
like a good item, inasmuch much as these kids thought they were
Honosexuals.this was sent from Mind Control gorup.




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I had never ead that Thomas Edison electrocuted a dog in the electric
chair.

This would make him about the most vicious and cruel - no wonder - well,
from now on I will no longer defend that BASTARD when they say he was a
homosexual.

Colleen

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Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat

1999-04-20 Thread H. Caulfield


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On 4/21/99 at 0021
Colleen Jones wrote:

A lot of evil is coming out of Colorado; from Ted Bundy, the guy that
shot Reagan, these kids, the little Jon Benet Ramsey.the horrible
movie that got the Oscar, about the butchers which was said to be a
comedy that got an academy award.

Maybe the shooters have been hanging out at the Denver International
Airport.
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Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference

1999-04-20 Thread E Mael


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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
I had never ead that Thomas Edison electrocuted a dog in the electric
chair.

This would make him about the most vicious and cruel - no wonder - well,
from now on I will no longer defend that BASTARD when they say he was a
homosexual.

Colleen


that aint the half of it, i read a couple of accounts a few years back
that are accounts of his being a thief and a scammer who cheated more than
only tesla out of their rightful dues for the sake of a couple of dollars.
he screwed tesla well and a lot of other inventors at the time. he used
his money like a club and a lot of people suffered because of him. you
want references? read a book.

edison was a fine capitalist
in its most sinister tradition

chris (still smilin' y'all)

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[CTRL] Heston:Truth And Consequences

1999-04-20 Thread Mike Moxley


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Speech at Yale, April 16, 1999

"Truth And Consequences"
by Charlton Heston

Well, here I am still in the chariot. I am pleased to be among political
thinkers, and I hope, political activists ... fellow charioteers, if you
will.

My life has always been pretty active. I marched with Martin Luther King in
1963, long before Hollywood found it fashionable. Supporting civil rights
then was about as popular as supporting gun rights is now. Yup, I'm
currently the President of the National Rifle Association.

Clearly, my views are not bound by political correctness. The thought
police do not frighten me. I hope I frighten them.

Since your Political Union debates follow traditional structure, my
resolution would go something like this: Be it resolved that societal
dishonesty can kill you. That is to say, a world without consequences is a
world without truth, and that you can die from that lie.

I believe that in your heart you already know something is profoundly
wrong. When bartenders are responsible for drunk drivers' acts, and
gunmakers are responsible for criminals' acts, and nobody is responsible
for O. J. Simpson's acts, something is wrong.

As students, you should search for truth. Your brain evolved to demand
reality. It can best process information against an unchanging backdrop of
certainty.

But that's hard to find. Your world is all spin. Actions are further and
further removed from consequences. Cause and effect are, at best,
theoretical. Equal and opposite reactions are no longer PC.

The Dow tops ten thousand, but our lives are not enriched. We enjoy
unprecedented affluence, but our souls are impoverished. Our lungs inhale
the rarefied air of prosperity, but our hearts yearn for nourishment. You
lack that invisible anchor that tethered your grandparents to reality --
you know what I'm talking about.

Our nation's abundance is like a narcotic that masks our malady -- we feel
too good to acknowledge that we're sick. We're like the cocaine-snorting
rock star, who dares not look in the mirror -- the ghoulish reflection
would ruin the buzz.

In his book "The End of Sanity," Martin Gross says, "blatantly irrational
behavior is rapidly being established as the norm in almost every area of
human endeavor. There seem to be new customs, new rules, new
anti-intellectual theories regularly foisted on us from every direction.
Underneath, the nation is roiling. Americans know something without a name
is undermining the nation, turning the mind mushy when it comes to
separating truth from falsehood and right from wrong. And they don't like
it."

Let me give you two good examples: This Administration's approach to crime
and to war. Our government's duplicity proves my point.

If you drove into Richmond, Virginia, today, you'd be greeted by billboards
with giant words that say, "An illegal gun gets you five years in federal
prison." These warn all felons that Project Exile is in effect. Project
Exile simply enforces existing federal law. Project Exile means every
convicted felon caught with a gun, no matter what he's doing, will go to
prison for five years. No parole, no early releases, no discussion, period.

My, my -- incarcerating armed felons. What a novel idea. It works, like no
other anti-crime policy ever proposed. Project Exile, in its first year in
Richmond, cut gun homicides by 62 percent. And as you'd expect, related gun
crimes like robbery, rape and assault also plummeted. That means hundreds
of people in Richmond today are alive and intact who, without Project
Exile, would be dead or bleeding.

For years the NRA has demanded that Project Exile be deployed nationwide.
Makes sense, huh? The laws are already on the books. Just enforce them.

But Bill Clinton won't do it. When he says he's serious about fighting
crime, consider that as a matter of policy -- as a matter of policy - the
Clinton Administration is not prosecuting violations of federal gun law. In
fact, they reversed the Bush Administration's policy of prosecuting felons
with guns. Instead, with plea bargains, a wink and a nod, they've been
letting armed felons off the hook. From 1992 to 1998, prosecutions have
been cut almost in half.

So while Project Exile was saving lives in Richmond, federal prosecution
for gun law violations everywhere else dropped by 46 percent.

Such fraud could not happen without the news media's alliance in the
dishonesty; it goes utterly unreported. Here are more examples.

Everyone remembers the press's podium-pounding for Clinton's Crime Bill and
its "urgently needed" juvenile gun transfer provisions. It became law. But
nobody is reporting that, out of thousands of certain offenders, his
Justice Department bothered to prosecute only five people in 1997 and six
in 1998.

Everyone remembers all the press support for his "desperately needed"
semi-auto gun ban -- that outlawed guns based solely on their appearance.
But nobody is reporting that, out of thousands of certain offenders, the
Clinton

Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference