Re: [CTRL] Magnetic Anomaly

[Steve Wingate]

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On 21 Apr 99, at 1:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Steve
 What does this mean? Will it effect anything?

 Thanx
 Pat

Pat,

I suspect that the magnetic anomaly has already had an effect of triggering
a 6.5 M earthquake near New Zealand, and perhaps may have contributed
to the crazed minds of the suicide killers in Denver.

There is a lot of evil in the Denver area, unfortunately, starting with the new
Denver Airport, built by Geo. Bush and his friends. I wonder if the gunmen
received inspiration from the murals on some of the walls of this very
strange airport? Note especially the "Darth Vadar" image!

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Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat

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In a message dated 99-04-21 00:21:36 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Maybe these kids are following his example; from their written messages,
it would appear so...Clinton is following in the steps of the Nazi party.

My first thought on hearing "black trenchcoats" and guns was that somebody
had enjoyed THE MATRIX (just released) way too much ... Keanu Reeves in black
trenchcoat, etc., battling the enemy within a virtual-reality reality ...

But no, MS-NBC is saying instead that, judging from the statements of
itnesses to the killings and from the content of the killer kidz' websites
--yes, these 17-year-old "outcasts" not only had grenades and firearms but
cars and cell phones, Internet access and personal Web sites-- the true
inspiration for the Trenchcoat Mafia was a freshly-released album by an
allegedly GERMAN but Seattle-based "industrial" rock band, whose lyrics
(quoted on one of the perps' web pages) glorify mass destruction, chaos, and
the apocalypse and sound like something the Antichrist would shriek.
Furthermore, noting that the day of the shooting was Hitler's birthday, the
MS-NBC
crew stated that, according to those who knew the perps, they were admirers
of Hitler and Third Reich imagery and specifically targeted non-Aryans (black
and latino high
school students) for death (in addition to the "jocks" they apparently
despised also).

In other words, the shooters were nerdy Hitlerites (McNazis?) out to do some
"ethnic cleansing" of their own little world -- at exactly the time when
these are the predominant propaganda images and ideas being beaten into all
our psyche by the nightly news.

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[CTRL] Littleton Massacre Story Changes

[Lloyd Miller]

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Date: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 3:06 AM
Subject: Littleton Massacre Story Changes



Live on MSNBC I saw what must've been the 3rd gunman
cited below being arrested. He was a man, I assume a
large student, wearing a long black trench coat and
was arrested at rifle point, hand cuffed, and then
escorted to a police car. But the story has changed
from three gunmen to only two, both shot to death.
What's more, an Associated Press report has a student
finger the guy who was arrested as one of the killers,
yet a local official on TV said the guy's not a suspect!
So someone who was arrested at rifle-point and was even
fingered by a witness as one of the killers just walks.
Here's the odd change from three to two gunmen, with a
student saying the arrested mas was one of the gunmen:

=
Associated Press  (Tuesday, April 20, 1999)
=

   25 May Be Dead in School Shooting

   By Robert Weller
   Associated Press Writer
   Tuesday, April 20, 1999; 7:39 p.m. EDT

   LITTLETON, Colo. (AP) -- Three young men in
   fatigues and black trench coats opened fire
   at a suburban Denver high school Tuesday in
   what police called a suicide mission, and
   the sheriff said 25 people may have been
   killed. Two of the suspects were found dead
   in the library, and a third person was led
   away in handcuffs.

   ...
   A third young man was led away from the school
   in handcuffs more than four hours after the
   attack, and student Chris Wisher said: ``He's
   one of the ones who shot at us.'' The sheriff
   said that the young man under arrest was believed
   to be a close friend of the dead gunmen but that
   his role in the attack was unclear."


http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19990420/V79-042099-idx.htm
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Associated Press  (Tuesday, April 21, 1999)
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25 May Be Dead in School Shooting

By Robert Weller
Associated Press Writer
Wednesday, April 21, 1999; 12:40 a.m. EDT

LITTLETON, Colo. (AP) -- Two students in black
trench coats swept through their suburban high
school with guns and explosives in a horrifying
suicide attack Tuesday that left as many as 25
people dead. Several students said the killers
were gunning for minorities and athletes.

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Maybe it's just an error, but a student said the guy
arrested (at rifle-point) was one of the killers. Be
sure to save those articles with the changing facts,
since the Washington Post doesn't keep 'um up long.



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Re: [CTRL] Magnetic Anomaly

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In a message dated 99-04-21 03:03:05 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I suspect that the magnetic anomaly has already had an effect of triggering
a 6.5 M earthquake near New Zealand, and perhaps may have contributed
to the crazed minds of the suicide killers in Denver.

I don't know about the particular magnetic anomaly referred to here --heck,
there's probably even a huge solar flare striking the earth right now too--
but I DO know that for weeks already, and for months to come (including the
August eclipse, wherein it figures large) the two planetary "malefics,"
Saturn and Mars, have been in opposition -- and it's "natural" under that
aspect to expect assaults, fatal accidents, murders and ... WAR.
In other words, it's "amok time" on planet Earth through most of this year,
AD 1999.

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Re: [CTRL] Balkans: Seriously / IV-F

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In a message dated 99-04-20 19:09:09 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 (6) Yugoslavia's foreign assets should be subject to seizure in all NATO
countries, both to exert pressure on Belgrade and as a prelude to eventual
reparations for the damage inflicted on Kosovo by Milosevic's forces.

Inevitably, NOW they're resorting to "asset forfeiture" on a GLOBAL scale!

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[CTRL] Japan's Whistleblowing Criminals

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 "A new class of ''corporate racketeers' extort money from brokerage
houses by threatening to publicly divulge incriminating information about them
 "A total of 31 executives from Japan's top five brokerage companies have
been indicted on corruption charges, and 25 of them have been convicted"


Japan Corporate Racketeer Sentenced

TOKYO (AP) -- A corporate racketeer was sentenced to nine months in prison
today for taking $104 million in illegal payoffs and loans from Japan's top
stock brokerages and a bank, a court spokesman said.

Ryuichi Koike, 55, was convicted of violating the commerce law by illegally
accepting the payoffs in exchange for not interrupting the companies' annual
shareholders meetings.

The Tokyo District Court also fined him $5.8 million, a court spokesman said
on customary condition of anonymity.

Koike received the money in 1994 and 1995 from all of Japan's ``Big Four''
brokerages -- Nomura Securities Co., Daiwa Securities Co., Nikko Securities
Co. and the now-defunct Yamaichi Securities Co.

He also received illegal loans totaling $98 million through a Dai-Ichi Kangyo
Bank subsidiary between 1994 and 1996.

``The defendant repeatedly conducted racketeering as a profession and
therefore cannot avoid serious blame for carrying out the crimes'' Kyodo News
agency quoted the court ruling as saying.

The court also blamed the companies for prolonging the crimes by using the
defendant's influence as a racketeer to their benefit, instead of taking
measures to cut their ties with him, Kyodo said.

The racketeers, known as ``sokaiya,'' threaten to disrupt shareholder
meetings by divulging embarrassing information about companies unless they
are paid off.

The disclosure of Koike's operation has rocked the Japanese corporate world
and led to several high-profile arrests.

A total of 31 former executives of the five companies have been charged, and
25 of them have been convicted, including five Nomura executives who received
suspended prison terms, Kyodo reported.

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[CTRL] Trenchcoat Mafia Profile

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Colorado Suspects Called Outcasts

By ROBIN McDOWELL
.c The Associated Press

LITTLETON, Colo. (AP) -- They are called the ``Trench Coat Mafia,'' a group
of about 10 students who wear long black coats, keep to themselves and follow
shock rocker Marilyn Manson.

Despite their dark lifestyle, they had not shown an inclination for violence
before Tuesday, according to some of their fellow students at Columbine High
School.

Authorities and school district officials said they had never heard of the
group. ``We were not aware of the Trench Coat Mafia until today,''
Superintendent Jane Hammond said Tuesday.

A reference to the group in last year's Columbine yearbook reveals nothing
more than general teen-age exuberance.

Even so, some students said they believed the two gunmen who went on a
shooting rampage at Columbine were members of the group.

Classmates and Denver media identified the gunmen as Eric Harris and Dylan
Klebold. Police refused to identify them.

Sean Kelly, a 16-year-old student, said Harris and several members of the
group made a video in class about guns they had. He also said that several
members recently bragged about getting new guns.

Some students said the killers targeted minorities and athletes. Kelly said
he heard Trench Coat Mafia members making ``generally derogatory remarks''
about blacks and Hispanics.

Student Andrew Beard, said Harris and Klebold often said they ``hated the
jocks'' ``because they thought they could do anything they wanted, walk
through life smoothly.''

Beard said members of the group often came to school in steel-toed combat
boots, some of them wearing Nazi crosses.

A dedication to the Trench Coat Mafia in the 1998 Columbine yearbook lists 13
members and carries the following message: ``Who says we are different?
Insanity's healthy! Remember rocking parties at Kristen's, foosball at Joe's
and fencing at Christopher's! Stay alive, stay different, stay crazy. Oh, and
stay away from CREAM SODA!!! Love always, the chicks.''

But other students had developed a less innocent image of the group.

``They're really dark people,'' said Wes Lammers, a 17-year-old junior.
``There were a lot of jokes that one day they might snap or something.''

Casey Brackley, 15, said she was very aware of the group even though it was
small.

``I never saw them threaten anybody or bully anybody, but we avoided them
because they were different,'' she said. ``Anyone dressed in black you're
scared of because it signifies gothic or death.''

Added Josh Nielsen, a 17-year-old junior: ``They're not well-liked in the
school and no one treated them well.''

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[CTRL] NATO Standing In the Way of OUR (!) War in the Balkans

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Lawmakers Say NATO Slows Down War

By TOM RAUM
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- NATO's cumbersome procedures are sharply limiting Army
Gen. Wesley Clark's military options in Yugoslavia, some lawmakers are
suggesting. ``The NATO consulting process is slowing down the war,'' said
Sen. Robert Bennett, R-Utah.

``And if you win it -- what do you win? First prize is 50 years in Kosovo.
I'm not sure that's a prize I want to win,'' Bennett said.

Congressional frustration is increasing over NATO's caution and its constant
need for a consensus -- amounting to what many suggest is a war by committee.

``But for NATO, we would not be in this fight, and because of NATO, we can't
win this fight,'' Sen. Gordon Smith, R-Ore., told Secretary of State
Madeleine Albright as she defended NATO's role on Tuesday before the Senate
Foreign Relations Committee.

She strongly disagreed -- although conceded NATO's was a little rusty as a
military machine.

``NATO is the right instrument, and while it has never fought a war, it is
doing a pretty darn good job doing it,'' she said. ``We need to hone it, but
we are on the right track.''

But calls are increasing in the Republican-led Senate for more direct action
to stop Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic's aggression against Kosovo's
ethnic Albanians.

A bipartisan group of seven senators led by 2000 GOP presidential hopeful
John McCain of Arizona filed a resolution Tuesday that would authorize ground
troops in Kosovo -- even though the administration has not requested them.

``When a president threatens a war he should plan for it,'' McCain said late
Tuesday in satellite remarks to the National Association of Broadcasters
convention in Las Vegas. ``President Clinton seems neither to have a plan A
nor a plan B.''

Other lawmakers have called for even more direct action to try to overthrow
Milosevic.

``I think we should put a Tomahawk missile through Milosevic's bedroom
window,'' said Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Ted Stevens,
R-Alaska.

But removing Milosevic is not part of NATO's strategy.

Albright made that clear earlier Tuesday at a White House briefing when asked
if she thought Milosevic should be removed -- and how that would be achieved.

``That is not ... our goal for this conflict,'' she responded.

That goal, ``as we have all said, is to try to get the Serb forces out of
Kosovo, the refugees back into Kosovo and have the protection of an
international security force,'' she added.

The bombing campaign is not a U.S.-only operation, but is subject to review
by the other 18 NATO countries. And NATO may need Milosevic one day to
enforce terms of a peace agreement.

The United States says its prefers to have a democratic government in place
in Belgrade -- but is short on details on how that might be accomplished.

NATO's cautious position toward Milosevic was underscored Tuesday when
British Prime Minister Tony Blair suggested allies will ``carry on until he
does step down.''

Jamie Shea, the NATO spokesman, quickly clarified Blair's remarks by saying
NATO policy was to get Milosevic to ``back down'' rather than ``step down.''

To be sure, the four-week-old air campaign against Yugoslavia is run by a
four-star American Army general -- Clark.

But military planners from other NATO nations are closely watching over his
shoulder.

``I think we've been able to strengthen the consensus process in NATO,''
Clark recently told a group of U.S. reporters in his command post in Mons,
Belgium, about 30 miles from NATO headquarters in Brussels. ``And I think
that's very evident in the increasingly smooth flow of the air campaign.''

But lawmakers who have been to Europe to meet with Clark tell a different
story, suggesting he is being hamstrung.

``General Clark just does not have the options he needs,'' said Sen. Dick
Lugar, R-Ind., a senior member of the Foreign Relations Committee. ``He needs
a consensus finding for targets and for objectives. As a result, General
Clark is bound by that consensus.''

A bad omen for NATO on the eve of its 50th anniversary celebration?

Not really, said Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, senior Democrat on the Armed
Services Committee, and a strong NATO booster. And he says he fully expects
NATO to be around for its 100th birthday, as well, ``because it serves an
ongoing useful function.''

``It's extraordinary how NATO's new nations, like Hungary, are willing to
take risks for a common cause here,'' Levin said. ``And the common cause this
time is an important one. NATO will prove itself by succeeding in not
allowing Milosevic to ethnically cleanse Kosovo.''

EDITOR'S NOTE -- Tom Raum covers national and international affairs for The
Associated Press.

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[CTRL] Oil-Rich Venezuela Rejects U.S. Control

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Venezuela Accuses U.S. of Meddling

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- President Hugo Chavez's government accused the
United States on Tuesday of meddling in its foreign relations and said it
will support Cuba, Iran and China in U.N. votes on human rights.

Venezuelan Foreign Minister Jose Vicente Rangel said that while relations
between the two countries generally are good, ``at times there have been
pressures'' by U.S. officials trying to influence Venezuela's foreign policy.

``Venezuela doesn't allow itself to be pressured by anyone,'' Rangel told
reporters.

He said he was instructing Venezuela's delegates to the U.N. Human Rights
Commission in Geneva to vote in favor of Cuba, Iran and China. The group'a
annual six-week meeting started March 22.

Rangel criticized the nearly four-decade-old U.S. embargo against Cuba,
saying that the United States should not demand respect for human rights
``while there is an embargo against a small third country in violation of
international human rights.''

Chavez was barred from entering the U.S. after he led a failed coup attempt
in 1992, but the ban was lifted after his landslide victory last December.
Venezuela is one of the top foreign suppliers of oil to the United States.

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Re: [CTRL] Magnetic Anomaly

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 A HREF="http://www.anomalous-images.com/DVADER.JPG"Darth Vader Denver
Airport
/A

I looked at this picture and immediately was struck by the fact that a dove -
symbol of the Holy Spirit in the eternal spiritual realm (both to God and to
Satan) and a symbol of peace in the temporal material/worldly realm -  sort
of emanated from the sword.  It distinctly took a back seat to this
futuristic warrior figure.  I never saw Star Wars but just looking at this
picture is reminiscent of prophecy in Daniel and Revelations.  Anybody else
see it this way?

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Re: [CTRL] Trench Coat Mafia Gay?

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One always finds dozens of counterfeit profiles on AOL after events of
this type...remember all the 'Timothy McVeighs' that appeared there right
after the real one was apprehended (and Tom Brokaw having to issue an
on-air apology for having read one of them on a prior newscast as if it
was the real McVeigh)...

The two profiles included in the post seem a little 'too pat', and I
suspect they are hoaxes...


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Re: [CTRL] [MC] Re: [prj] Fw: Implants Activated: Clinton Orders Trenchcoat Diversion. War Not Going Well

[Lloyd Miller]

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Yes, we sell the Pink Swastika  $12.00

http://a-albionic.com/merchform.html

-Original Message-
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Subject: [MC] Re: [prj] Fw: Implants Activated: Clinton Orders Trenchcoat
Diversion. War Not Going Well


Dear Lloyd and list:
This situation does bear resemblances to Martin Bryant, dosen't it? Bryant,
as most of you know was the mass murderer in Australia whose rampage helped
pass some very restrictive gun legislation in Australia. The gay connection
is also very interesting--see the current Drudge Report. There is a
monograph on the Net that gets into the Nazi-Occult-Gay connection called
The Pink Swastika. I'll send the first part of it.
all the best
Martin H. Katchen
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Subject: [prj] Fw: Implants Activated: Clinton Orders Trenchcoat Diversion.
War Not Going Well


YOUR PERSONAL POST OFFICE...TRY IT FREE FOR 90 DAYS!

Also, Colorado was just about to pass a concealed weapons carry law...!

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Subject: Re: Implants Activated: Clinton Orders Trenchcoat Diversion. War
Not Going Well


Strange..but I was just thinking the same thing.
Maybe they were some sort of genetically engineered killers and then
planted into school. Their services activated when required. Who knows
how many more of these government planted robots exist.
Timing of this whole shit seems too coincidental.
Bet they try to take away fire-arms from civilians because of this.

Engine#9 wrote:

 What the fuck else makes sense? I know this doesn't but what does?
 Just as valid a theory as anything else.


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Re: [CTRL] Trench Coat Mafia Gay?

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June,
Thank you for this post, I had not considered that possibility.  There are so
many things that seem true but are not.  I appreciate knowing the truth - and
you have saved me some steps in getting there.  Thanks.
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Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference

[nessie]

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 Little Nicky Tesla was born in Smijlan, Croatia way back in 1856.

Lucky for him.   It meant he wasn't born to be ethnically cleansed from
his home town by Croatian fascist paramilitaries.

 Life IS a crapshoot, is it not? Get born in one year,  you live long and
prosper.  Get born  in another and  die in a camp.  Then there's place.
Get born one place , you die getting bombed from the air.  But get born
in another place and you die getting bombed from a truck. Either way,
it's terrorism.

These lines on a map are a curse. Damn nationalism. It's a butcher of
babies.  When  will we learn to leave it behind?

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Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference

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He did, however, invent

They way I heard it he hired a staff, they did the inventing, and he took
the credit. If so, he invented the modern research paradigm, a monumental
feat in and of itself.

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Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference

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Thomas Edison was not a homosexual.

And if he was, so what?

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Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat Mafia Profile

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Authorities and school district officials said they had never heard of the
group. ``We were not aware of the Trench Coat Mafia until today,''
Superintendent Jane Hammond said Tuesday.

A reference to the group in last year's Columbine yearbook reveals nothing
more than general teen-age exuberance.

Okay...they were mentioned in last year's yearbook, yet 'authorities and
school district officials said they had never heard of the group'...



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[CTRL] A New Federal Aviation Profiling System

[Lyn McCloskey]

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Write some letters, dudes

-- Forwarded by Lyn McCloskey/Towers Perrin on 04/21/99
09:13 AM ---


SCAN THIS NEWS
4/21/99

The Federal Aviation Administration has just announced a new proposed rule
requiring commercial airlines to adopt and implement new baggage/passenger
screening policies. Our "NoNID" (No National ID) campaign uses an orange
ribbon because airline passengers who does not carry proper,
government-issued ID are tagged at the airports with an orange ribbon or
sticker. Jackie Juntti (the Grassroots Granny of Washington State,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]) was required to wear just such an orange ribbon in a
recent flight and subsequently she adopted the orange ribbon campaign to
symbolize resistance to national identification and monitoring schemes.

More anecdotal information will follow soon.

Scott
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Attention! A New Federal Profiling System:

A new proposed regulation by the Federal Aviation Administration for
enhanced standards for passenger profiling.

Free Congress will be preparing comments and would be happy to furnish
any group with information who is willing to do the same.  I would
encourage everyone to send comments and urge others to do the same.
Organizations and individuals can both send comments to the FAA.
Here is the information needed for those interested in reading up on
the issue.

Free Congress will be preparing a memo outlining the dangers related
to passenger profiling and enhanced security measures with regard to
checked baggage security. It will be similar to the one done late last
year on the Know Your Customer program. This memo will be available on
our website no later than Thursday, April 22nd.

Thank you.

Lisa S. Dean, Vice President for Technology Policy
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Julie Malone, Coalition Coordinator
(mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
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fax: (202) 544-2819
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[The rule is available online at the FAA web site]

http://www.faa.gov/avr/arm/nprm/nprm.htm

RULE SUMMARY [excerpts]:

"The FAA is proposing that each certificate holder [commercial airlines]
required under §108.5 to adopt and implement an FAA-approved security
program screen checked baggage or conduct passenger-to-bag matching for
scheduled passenger operations within the United States... . The security of
checked baggage on domestic flights may be accomplished by ... utilizing the
FAA-approved computer-assisted passenger screening (CAPS) system to select
passengers whose checked baggage must be subjected to additional security
measures."

DATES:  Comments must be received on or before June 18, 1999.
ADDRESSES:  Comments on this proposed rulemaking should be mailed or
delivered, in duplicate, to:  U.S. Department of Transportation Dockets,
Docket No. FAA-1999-5536;  400 Seventh St., SW, Rm. Plaza 401, Washington,
DC  20590.  Comments may also be sent electronically to the following
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examined in Room Plaza 401 between 10 a.m. and 5 p.m. weekdays, except
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Tourist or Terrorist?
by Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/19218.html

3:00 a.m.  20.Apr.99.PDT

WASHINGTON -- A US$2.8-billion monitoring system championed by Vice
President Gore will use computer profiles to single out airline passengers
for investigation and scrutiny.

Airlines will use a secret algorithm to compare travelers' personal data to
profiles of likely terrorists, according to a new proposed federal
regulation. Other travelers will be chosen at random.

Critics complain the plan shows that Gore doesn't really support privacy.
Last May, the vice president told an audience of graduating students at New
York University that privacy "is a basic American value."

"He's been talking about privacy and the protection of personal information
online, but those principles that he talks about don't parallel what he's
done. He's tried to force intrusive measures into law," says Lisa Dean, vice
president of the Free Congress Foundation. "We'd have even more of this with
a President Gore."

The vice president chaired a high-level White House commission that in 1997
released recommendations that the Federal Aviation Administration compiled
into a 40-page rule published Monday.

[...remainder snipped...]

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Fear of Flying
Special Report

http://www.faa.gov/avr/arm/nprm/nprm.htm

by Declan McCullagh
Washington, DC, 11 September

John Gilmore, co-founder of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, knows
firsthand how drastically airports in the United States are altering their
policies in response to the nation's perceived vulnerability to terrorists.

When Gilmore opened his laptop for inspection by airport personnel at San

[CTRL] Littleton on Sollog Line

[Brian Redman]

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This Sollog character is often wrong in his "predictions"
(but he never trumpets his misses). Still, for conspiratologists
anyway, his "line of tragedy" angle on Littleton massacre
is intriguing.

From
http://www.theeunderground.net/Features/features248littleton.shtml


   School Shooting in Littleton Colorado!

  Bizarre connection between shootings at Columbine High and other
 school shootings!


  Welcome to Thee Under Ground Net

   Bizarre connection in Columbine High shooting!

How rash of school shootings connect to each other!

   By JP Essene

   Editor of

   Thee Under Ground Net

   4/20/99


   Ripleys believe it or not...

   The latest school shooting by the Trench Coat Mafia, in Littleton
   Colorado at Columbine High School is CONNECTED in a most BIZARRE way
   to the rash of school shootings that have been occurring all over the
   US the past couple of years.

   I've written many articles about all these shootings and knew another
   would occur any day. IT WAS OVER DUE.

   And it did occur EXACTLY where I warned in my other articles on these
   school shooting that all have something in common.

   It struck THE EXACT MIDDLE OF A LINE that I've been writing about
   since early 1995.

   This BIZARRE LINE OF TRADEGY is known on my infamous site as
   THE SOLLOG LINE OF TRAGEDY. I've referred to it in countless articles
   before.

   Many other TRAGEDIES besides these school shootings have struck it as
   well.

   The Oklahoma City Bombing

   Jon Bennet Ransey's Death

   Versaces Death

   Michael Kennedy's Death

   Just to name a few of the other infamous TRAGEDIES that have ALL
   STRUCK THE LINE OF SOLLOG.

   You can find 1000's of referenences to this LINE OF TRAGEDY in
   USENET as well.

   The LINE OF SOLLOG came to be in 1995, when Sollog started warning
   about the FUTURE and NUKES in papers in the Philadelphia area.

   He then sued the US government over NUKES and again wrote about
   THIS LINE in detail in his case, and also about many other events
   IN THE FUTURE in remarkable detail. So exact was the details of
   FUTURE EVENTS like TWA 800 and Diana's Death that the European media
   calls him NOSTRADAMUS of the 90's.

   He guaranteed in 1995 that certain types of TRAGEDIES like these
   bizarre shootins would all occur on a STRAIGHT line across the US.

   They then occurred and they have indeed struck the SOLLOG LINE of
   tragedy across the HEART OF AMERICA.

   As I noted in my other articles, Springfield in Oregon and Jackson
   Mississippi are both ON THE SOLLOG LINE.

   When you connect the school shootings that did not occur
   ON THE SOLLOG line, another STRAIGHT LINE is formed by the locations
   of the shootings in Jonesboro, Peducah and PA.

   The TWO School Shooting Lines just happen to INTERSECT in the birth
   place of that scumbag in the Whitehouse, aka Bill Clinton. You know
   the ass that just started World War III in the Balkans.

   It's also a FACT, that the EXACT POINT IN THE MIDDLE of the two
   previous shootings ON THE SOLLOG LINE is EXACTLY where this latest
   shooting occurred.

   LITTLETON is the halfway point between the school shootings that
   occurred in Springfield Oregon and Jackson Mississippi directly
   ON THE SOLLOG LINE. Look at this map of the US.

   Map of US schootings.

   Is this a coincidence?

   NOT

   It is a WARNING that NUKES are near, says the WORD OF ONE aka Sollog.

   With events in the BALKANS you KNOW NUKES may indeed be around the
   corner. Thanks to the admitted LIAR, ADULTERER, PERJURER and MURDERER
   from the capital in DC.

   To sum up these shootings.

   In 1995 Sollog WARNED of NUKES, and he GUARANTEED a line of tragedy
   would appear across the US. This line indeed connects many tragic
   events to each other.

   Sollog says THESE DEATHS of innocent lives, are all angels who came to
   GIVE YOU A MESSAGE about NUKES.

   Are you listening...

   I'll just call this shooting

   Another SIGN from THE PROPHET OF HAYAH aka Sollog...



   Later

   JP Essene

   Editor

   Thee Under Ground Net

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[CTRL] Hackers can turn network cameras, microphones on you

[J. Hoffa]

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Remember the April Fool's Joke perpetrated by PC World not
too long ago? They made up a bogus news story about an
employee / employer conflict which led to the revelation that
all recently made computer motherboards had a tiny
microphone on them which could be activated by an outside
party. In order to deactivate or block the use of this eavesdropping
device one was told to download the software patch from PC World,
at which point the joke was revealed.

Well, there may not be a microphone soldered onto the motherboard
of your computer, but chances are you have one plugged into your
sound card for recording, and you may even have a camera hooked
up to capture images or record video. If you do, the PC World story
may not be so far from reality. Check out:

Hackers can turn network cameras, microphones on you - April 19,  1999

http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9904/16/hackers.idg/

Happy paranoia,

HOFFA

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[CTRL] FW: [mom-l] THE KOSOVO LIBERATION ARMY *A MUST READ!*

[Peter L. Sroufe]

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How Klintoon got us in this mess!

Bard

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Subject: [mom-l] THE KOSOVO LIBERATION ARMY: Does Clinton Policy Support
Group With Terror, Drug Ties?


THE KOSOVO LIBERATION ARMY:
Does Clinton Policy Support Group With Terror, Drug Ties? From
‘Terrorists’, to ‘Partners’
 March 31, 1999

by United States Senate Republican Policy Committee, Larry Craig,
Chairman

On March 24, 1999, NATO initiated air attacks on Yugoslavia (a
federation of two republics, Serbia and Montenegro) in order to impose a
peace agreement in the Serbian province of Kosovo, which has an ethnic
Albanian majority. The Clinton Administration has not formally withdrawn
its standing insistence that Belgrade sign the peace agreement, which
would entail the deployment in Kosovo of some 28,000 NATO ground troops
-- including 4,000 Americans -- to police the settlement. But in recent
days the Clinton public line has shifted to a demand that Yugoslav
President Slobo-dan Milosevic halt the offensive he has launched in
Kosovo, which has led to a growing humanitarian crisis in the region,
before there can be a stop to the bomb-ing campaign.
One week into the bombing cam-paign, there is widespread discussion of
options for further actions. One option includes forging a closer
relationship between the United States and a contro-versial group, the
Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), a group which has been cited in unofficial
reports for alleged ties to drug cartels and Islamic terrorist
or-ganizations. This paper will examine those allegations in the context
of the currently unfolding air campaign.
Results of Week One
The air assault is a product of a Clinton policy, which for months has
been directed toward intervention in Kosovo, in either the form of the
use of air power or of the introduction of a peacekeeping ground force
-- or of air power followed by a ground force. [For details on the
turbulent history of Kosovo and of the direction of Clinton policy
leading to the current air cam-paign, see: RPC's "Senate to Vote Today
on Preventing Funding of Military Op-erations in Kosovo: Airstrikes
Likely This Week," 3/23/99; "Bombing, or Ground Troops -- or Both:
Clinton Kosovo Intervention Appears Immi-nent," 2/22/99; and "Bosnia II:
The Clinton Administration Sets Course for NATO Intervention in Kosovo,"
8/12/98.] Just hours before the first bombs fell, the Senate voted 58 to
41 (with 38 Republicans voting in the nega-tive) to authorize air and
missile strikes against Yugoslavia (S. Con. Res. 21). The Senate then
approved by voice vote a second resolution expressing support for
members of the U.S. Armed Forces en-gaged in military operations against
Yugoslavia (S. Res. 74).
Prior to the air campaign, the stated goal of Clinton policy, as noted
above, was Belgrade's acceptance of the peace agreement signed by the
Kosovo Alba-nian delegation (which included repre-sentatives of the KLA)
on March 17. Now, more than a week into the air cam-paign, that goal
appears even more elu-sive as the NATO attack has rallied Ser-bian
resistance to what they see as an unjustified foreign aggression.
Since the NATO bombing campaign began, Serbian security forces also
have intensified an offensive in Kosovo that began as the airstrikes
appeared inevita-ble. According to numerous media re-ports, tens of
thousands of Albanians are fleeing the Serb army, and police forces and
paramilitary groups that, based on credible allegations, are committing
widespread atrocities, including sum-mary executions, burnings of
Albanian villages, and assassination of human rights activists and
community leaders. Allied officials have denounced the ap-parently
deliberate forced exodus of Al-banian civilians as ethnic cleansing and
even genocide. But according to some refugee accounts, the NATO bombing
is also a factor in the exodus: "[M]ost resi-dents of the provincial
capital say they are leaving of their own accord and are not being
forced out at gunpoint, as resi-dents of several western cities and
vil-lages in Kosovo say has been happening to them. . . . Pristina
residents who made it to Macedonia said their city is still largely
intact, despite the targeting of ethnic Albanian businesses by Serbian
gangs and several direct hits from NATO air strikes in the city center"
["Cause of Kosovar Exodus from Pristina Disputed: Serbs Are Forcing
Exit, Some Claim; Others Go on Own," Washington Times, 3/31/99].
At the same time, the Clinton Ad-ministration, consistent with its
track re-cord on Kosovo, has ignored credible but unconfirmed evidence
from sources not connected to Milosevic's 

Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference

[Jeff Hearon]

 -Caveat Lector-

Again, I clear this up hopefully for the last time. Tesla was totally
responsible for the polyphase AC dynamo, which is the basis for our
eletrical power grid system.Edsion was a DC proponent, (why in the hell
do you think he had such trouble with various filaments for the incadescent
light bulb, Dah!!! DC will burn it out twice as fast.),

GE was started using infringed technology from Tesla/Weshinghouse.
Read your history.He was not as Howard Davis would have you believe
responsible for the basic system which provided electricity to this country,
there were at least six other prominant men engaged in this endeavor,
including but not limited to Eli Houston, George Westinghouse.



Jeffrey C Hearon
Founder  CEO
SCIO-LTD
http://www.scio-ltd.net
http://www.scio-ltd.com
http://www.scio-ltd.org
+1.917.553.7217
+1.888.229.6788

- Original Message -
From: Howard R. Davis III [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference


 -Caveat Lector-

 Colleen Jones wrote:
 
   -Caveat Lector-
 
  I had never ead that Thomas Edison electrocuted a dog in the electric
  chair.
 
  This would make him about the most vicious and cruel - no wonder - well,
  from now on I will no longer defend that BASTARD when they say he was a
  homosexual.
 
  Colleen
 

 Thomas Edison was not a homosexual. He did, however, invent the light
 bulb and the basic system which provided electricity to this country
 (with the exception of Tesla's contribution of AC generator/motor), the
 phonograph, many improvements in telegraphy and telephones, many
 improvements in motion pictures, and many lesser inventions which have
 benefited us all (most of the lesser inventions being more useful than
 most other inventors major accomplishments).

 Howard Davis

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[CTRL] Serbian Cartoonist: April 20th

[Mack White]

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NOTE:  The following is forwarded from the Comix Discussion List, which
links alternative comics creators, fans,  scholars, and publishers
worldwide.  It is the latest e-mail from Serbian cartoonist Sasa Rekazic
(aka Aleksandar Zograf), creator of Alas!, Life Under Sanctions, and
Psychonaut.  He has been witnessing the bombing of Pancevo by NATO.

From: "Aleksandar Zograf" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: April 20th
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 05:41:28 +0200
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Sasa Rakezic
P.F.163
26000 Pancevo
Yugoslavia /Serbia/
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April 20th 1999

Hello everybody!
It was a nice shinny day yesterday, which - as we learned - is a very
suitable  for bombing, as well. I was trying not to think about it, and to
relax my mind somehow, and I listened to the good old Bonzo Dog Band
records for several hours, and did some drawings...But just in the early
evening hours, the sky was getting cloudy, and - at least in this part of
the country - the night was unusually quiet.
Still, the city of Nis, in the Southern part of Serbia, was a target of the
NATO strikes, with Tobacco Industry plant almost totaly destroyed...Some
projectiles fell in the suburban area of the city as well, where the poor
people dwell.
As of Pancevo, soon after the whole mess with toxic materies was over (or
is it?!?!), it is discovered that there is another danger - this time of
the explosive materies which still remained in the Petrochemical plant
complex...People from the parts of the town closest to the Petrochemical
plant  were now warned to move - during the air raids - to the safer
places, and the buses are taking them away to schools and sports
centers...Our appartment building is right on the edge between the
"dangerous" and "more safe" area.
Also, everyone from the "danger" zone was warned not to use the food from
their gardens, etc., before it is tested by the experts.
I read about some people from the forest area, who spotted an unexploded
NATO missile in the wasteland. By the mere coicidence, when they were
searching the ground around the projectile, the locals have found the
remains of the parts of the old cannon (probably from the WW2)! There were
pictures of them with two "weapons", old and new, suddenly appearing to the
attention of the people from the distant area...
There was another story about the  man from the town of Kursumlija, who -
instead of  joining his family in the basement shelter, has decided to
remain sleeping in his bed during the air raids. For some reason,  the NATO
projectile fell on the near-by empty shack, causing a large explosion, and
a 20 meters long crater. The house was almost totally ruined, and  part of
the ceiling fell down, but the eldery man remained unhurt, laying in his
bed..." I just opened my eyes, and saw the starry sky instead of  the
ceiling" - he said later.
What's next?
Bye
Sasa

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[CTRL] OEN 4/21/99

[Kris Millegan]

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from:
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A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A
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Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife

Hillary's Ratings Take a Dive

"Hmm. I better get over into the war zone quick."

THE voters of New York seem to be going cool on the idea of electing
Hillary Clinton as one of their senators.
A poll released earlier this week showed that 52 per cent of New Yorkers
now think Mrs Clinton should not run for the Senate, against 42 per cent
who think she should. Polls taken in January, when the idea of her
candidacy was first mooted, pointed to a landslide victory over Mayor
Rudolph Giuliani, the likely Republican candidate. This week's poll has
Mrs Clinton and the Mayor almost neck and neck.

Asked yesterday why she wanted to run for office in a state she had
never lived in, Mrs Clinton said: "I love New York to start with. We
have everything in New York that we have in America ... I have always
been very excited by the dynamism of the people here and the real
cutting-edge approach."

The drop in her popularity, however, suggests that accusations of
carpet-bagging, that she is using New York as no more than a stage for
her wider political ambitions, and her husband's sagging approval
ratings are starting to hurt. She remains most popular in the liberal
stronghold of New York City, and least popular in the rural areas of
upstate New York.

This week is likely to be crucial in Mrs Clinton's final decision on
whether to run. Friends have suggested that her early enthusiasm has
been tempered by warnings of the likely mud-slinging of a campaign and
the logistical difficulty of running for office while still living in
the White House. At a lunch for succesful women in the media on Monday,
however, speakers including Meryl Streep, jokingly thanked the First
Lady for taking time off from flat-hunting to join them.

Harold Ickes, the former White House deputy chief of staff and the
likeliest manager of Mrs Clinton's campaign if she decides to run, said
her meetings this week should give her a better feel for what a Senate
campaign would entail. He said: "There will be more press, more people
talking to her and so I think she'll come away with a much better feel
about the intensity of the situation."

Mrs Clinton will not be restricting herself to New York city on this
trip. Yesterday, she ventured out to Long Island for a speech and
tomorrow she will go up to Niagara Falls, the northernmost point in New
York state, to make a speech to the politically powerful New York State
United Teachers Union. In between, she will be hosting fund raising
events for politicians who supported her husband through the year of
impeachment.

No formal announcement on her candidacy is expected until June or July.
If she decides not to run, however, she is expected to take up an
international role at the head of a major charity or with the United
Nations. Her planned trip to Albania and Macedonia to meet refugees
driven out of Kosovo by Serbian forces and to assess the humanitarian
crisis should help her to decide if that is the route she would prefer.

The London Telegraph, April 21, 1999


Der Fuhrer Invades Yugoslavia

Who Is Running This War, Anyway?

Take Britain, for example. Then Clark.

THE Chief of the Defence Staff's office is next door to the Defence
Secretary's. In the last weeks the green carpet on the sixth floor in
the Ministry of Defence has grown worn as Britain's most senior soldier
and his political master have met countless times a day to discuss
Yugoslavia.
Somewhere along the corridor the fuzzy border between military and
political worlds is crossed. The key men running the war in Downing
Street are Jonathan Powell, Tony Blair's chief of staff, John Sawers,
the private secretary responsible for foreign affairs, and Alastair
Campbell, the press secretary. They have day-to-day dealings with their
opposite numbers in Washington and Nato headquarters in Brussels.

For the men in uniform, this war, unlike the Gulf war, is an untidy
affair. The "wiring diagram" of who commands what and who talks to whom
is not the neat, linear, parade-ground affair of the Gulf. In
Yugoslavia, it is more of a web - and webs are built to ensnare.

As Britain's top military man, Gen Sir Charles Guthrie has command of
all of our forces fighting for Nato. Although he has handed over
day-to-day command to the alliance, he retains some control of them.
This is exercised through the new Permanent Joint HQ (PJHQ), in the
north London suburb of Northwood. This tri-Service command is the
fiefdom of Vice-Adml Sir Ian Garnett, chief of joint operations.

Every morning, Gen Guthrie and a coterie of generals, admirals, air
marshals and senior civil servants take the express lift down to the
basement and walk the few yards to the MoD's Defence Crisis Management
Centre. In this dimmed, air-conditioned room, with encrypted, secure
television links, Gen Guthrie and his planners spend 40 

[CTRL] Kosovo Crisis - Special Reports 44 - NATO at Odds with Itself

[Kris Millegan]

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from:
http://www.stratfor.com/crisis/kosovo/special45.htm
A HREF="http://www.stratfor.com/crisis/kosovo/special45.htm"Kosovo Crisis -
Special Reports 44
/A
-

NATO at Odds with Itself
21 Apr 99 - 0300 GMT

Two massive cross-currents are at work within NATO. There is, on one
hand, strong antipathy toward waging all-out war against Serbia.
Consider that the European Union today was not able to pass a resolution
barring the sale of oil to Serbia. The proposal was blocked by Greece
and Italy, who justified their position by arguing that a blockade must
be preceded by a UN resolution. Underlying the legal niceties was the
fact that neither country wants an intensification of the war. Given
that Greece and Italy are strategically essential to any ground war
because of their port facilities, their unwillingness to simply endorse
an oil embargo poses a serious challenge to any ground campaign. Equally
negative were statements today by German Bundeswehr chief-of-staff Gen
eral Hans-Peter von Kirchbach, who said today that NATO has "an option
to intensify air operations," but that "there are no plans for other
operations. We are convinced that it will not be necessary."

On the other hand, the same Greek government that voted against an oil
embargo did hint earlier today that its ports would be available for use
in a ground war, a substantial softening of its position. The United
States and Britain, at the other extreme, are trying to make it appear
that a ground war is inevitable. Indeed, there are indications of a
build-up of forces in Albania. The arrival of the 82nd Airborne
Division’s advanced guard is more than a security force for the Apaches
that have not yet arrived and the MLRS. They will be joined by other
elements of their division, indicating that a build-up of forces for a
ground war is already underway. Yet, at the very same time, NATO’s
request for an additional 300 U.S. combat aircraft has not yet been
approved, with Pentagon planners saying they are considering the impact
of such a large transfer of forces on other areas of the world.

As we come into Friday’s summit of NATO leaders in Washington, the
cross-currents are dizzying. Just as pressure dramatically increases on
Serbia due to the Greek shift on ports, the EU’s decision on an oil
embargo undermines that pressure. The creation of a deliberate sense of
mystery about the build-up of forces in Albania then encounters a public
unwillingness by the United States to commit requested aircraft.
Statements from Washington and London that NATO is prepared to do
whatever is necessary to solve the crisis is met by German officials
saying that a ground attack is not necessary.

The problem here is not public relations, but a deep split not only
within NATO, but within each individual country over the future course
of the war. There is simply no consensus emerging over what is to be
done. Without such a consensus, NATO cannot act. Each time a consensus
appears to be emerging and pressure on Milosevic builds, the consensus
cracks apart and the pressure bleeds off.

The current stalemate is less in the war than in NATO itself and even
within the U.S. military. Agreement on the next step simply isn’t
emerging. The problem is partly political within countries. But the key
problem remains military. The difficulties inherent in the ground option
are daunting. The strategic implications of a major air build-up are
similarly worrisome. Therefore, each day the world is whipped by
conflicting signals. The only constancy in the signal is what the Serbs
have clearly heard: NATO has not yet locked in a plan. Therefore Serbia
continues to have room for maneuver.
-
Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
Kris

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[CTRL] Fwd: SNET: [yugoslavia-discuss] Why Does the US and Its New World OrderContinue to Thwart... (fwd)

[Kris Millegan]

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the Russian-German Peace Proposal?

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:22:20 -0700
From: Michael Eisenscher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: LABNEWS - News and Organizing about the Labor Movement
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To: Multiple recipients of list LABNEWS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Yugoslav Government

Hi,

your list seems to be running a LOT of stuff against the NATO
bombings, so I wanted to pose the next article to those who argue that
NATO should stop bombings and engage solely in diplomacy.

-s

Friday April 16 8:30 PM ET

Yugoslavia Turns Down Annan's Peace Proposal

By Anthony Goodman

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Yugoslavia rejected Friday a week-old Kosovo
peace initiative by U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan and criticized the
United Nations for failing to condemn ''aggression'' by NATO.

``Nothing but NATO bombs threatens peace in Kosovo,'' Yugoslav Foreign
Minister Zivadin Jovanovic said in a letter to the U.N. chief.

He complained that, despite repeated appeals for urgent action by the
Security Council, ``nothing has been done thus far to condemn and halt
this brutal
aggression against my country.''

An annex to the letter disputed, point by point, the elements of the peace
proposal that Annan sent to Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic on April
9 in
hopes of resolving the crisis that witnessed the flight of hundreds of
thousands of ethnic Albanians from the Serbian province of Kosovo.

Annan's spokesman, Fred Eckhard, said the secretary-general ''was not
surprised by Yugoslavia's response,'' delivered by Yugoslavia's U.N.
envoy,
Vladislav Jovanovic.

``He (Annan) feels that we are involved in a difficult, dangerous and
intractable situation. As he said in Brussels this week, do not expect
quick results. We are
only at the beginning stage of our search for a diplomatic solution,'' the
spokesman added.

Annan, whose proposals were endorsed by European Union leaders at a
meeting in the Belgian capital Wednesday, had said he would urge NATO to
suspend
its air attacks on Yugoslavia, if Yugoslav leaders accepted five
conditions.

They were: an immediate end to the ``campaign of intimidation and
expulsion of the civilian population'' from Kosovo; a halt to all
activities by Yugoslav
military and paramilitary forces there; unconditional acceptance of the
return of all refugees; acceptance of an international military force to
ensure a secure
environment for the refugees' return; and to permit the international
community to verify compliance with those undertakings.

Jovanovic wrote: ``There had not been, and there is no campaign of
'intimidation' or 'expulsion' of civilian population.''

He said the ``NATO aggression and bombing'' that started March 24 and
caused ``enormous destruction of civilian buildings and mass civilian
casualties,''
also caused ``an increased number of refugees and displaced persons.''

Kosovo was ``an inseparable part'' of Serbia and Yugoslavia and the police
and military forces there ``perform their duties in accordance with our
constitution
and the law.''

All activities against ``the terrorist so-called KLA'' (Kosovo Liberation
Army) ceased at 8 pm on April 6, he said, referring to a unilaterally
announced
cease-fire that he added was still in force.

``NATO daily mass bombings represent the only obstacle to the
stabilization of life and to the return to the course of political
process,'' Jovanovic said.

Yugoslav forces in Kosovo represented ``a defense against the NATO
aggression and serve as a shield against NATO troops built up in Albania
and Macedonia
and against aggression carried out from ...Albania under the protection ad
with the assistance of NATO,'' he said.

Once the ``aggression is ended and NATO troops are withdrawn from the
Yugoslav border,'' the level of military and security forces would
immediately be
reduced ``to peacetime conditions.''

``It is incomprehensible to request the withdrawal of the legitimate
forces of a sovereign state from its own territory, instead of calling for
an urgent ending of
foreign military aggression, killing of civilians and destruction of
civilian targets,'' Jovanovic declared.

He said the safe return of refugees and displaced persons was ``the
priority of our policy.'' On April 6 the governments of Yugoslavia and
Serbia ``invited all
citizens to stay on their land and those who fled to return safely.''

Their return was hampered by ``the systematic destruction of towns such as
Pristine, Djakovica, Prizren, Decani and many other'' by NATO, he added.

Jovanovic said Yugoslavia was continuing efforts to find a peaceful
solution through direct dialogue with ``the legitimate representatives of
the national
communities of Kosovo'' and referred to talks with ethnic Albanian
politician Ibrahim Rugova.

``The state is guaranteeing security to all its citizens and is also able
to guarantee the implementation of a ratified peace agreement.
International military 

Re: [CTRL] Disappearance Remains Unexplained--Total Group ApathyReported

[Hilary A. Thomas]

 -Caveat Lector-

Ric is happy and well.

Hilary

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 Subject: [CTRL] Disappearance Remains Unexplained--Total Group
ApathyReported
 Date: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 12:01 AM

  -Caveat Lector-

 I was wondering if there were any updates on the mysterious
 disappearance of Ric of Skeptic News?  I miss the commentaries.
 Also, has any one even considered anything other than reptiloid
 kidnapping?  Could it be simpky that the battery in his implant went
 dead from chemtrail exposure?  Has anyone who personally know him looked
 behind the couch?  I can provide sources who know dead-implant victims
 always go behind the couch.  If it truly is rep-napping, why no ransom
 note?
 Has anyone else been getting hang-up phone calls from Roswell?  Any
 update would be appreciated.
 Amelia

 Don't want to disappoint anyone just surfing through.  We are so
 grim/serious these days.

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[CTRL] Fwd: [FTC] US Layoffs Up 11 Percent in March

[Carl Amedio]

Friends - FYI - Linda

---

Linda,

Pat is the ONLY one acknowledging the true state of our "goldilocks 
economy." I am tired of hearing how great our economy is doing.  All of the 
people layed off over these past 10 years or so are, in most cases, not only 
making far less than they  were, but they aren't paying as much as they 
would have been into Social Security. For many, these would have been their 
highest earning years prior to retirement.  

Nobody is mentioning the fact that the downsizing of millions of middle class 
Americans has drastically reduced this source of Social Security revenues.  
Even though I have an engineering degree, nobody seems to want to employ 
a middle aged white male such as myself.  One thing's for sure--I know I'm 
not paying anything close to what I used to pay into Social Security. 

Brian L.

Please consider posting this web address:
 http://www.hrlive.com/local-bin/layoff.cgi 
Note all the aerospace, defense, and high-tech layoffs listed at the above 
URL!

Also, here's an article you might want to post: 
http://www.msnbc.com/news/256945.asp

US layoffs up 11 percent in March REUTERS NEW YORK, April 7 — 

US Layoffs outpaced job creation in March, rising 11 percent ahead of 
February to a total of 68,984 job cuts, the international outplacement firm 
Challenger, Gray  Christmas Inc. said Wednesday. The March layoff 
figures were 50 percent more than the 46,000 new jobs the government 
reported for the same period, according to the report.  

THE MARCH figures also capped a record-breaking six-month job-cutting 
binge, in which 456,860 cuts were announced, the report added.  

“While voracious consumer spending has helped maintain overall economic 
strength, companies are still hampered by stiff pricing competition from 
abroad,” said John Challenger, the company’s chief executive officer. “The 
inability to raise prices has cut into corporate profits which, in turn, has most 
certainly contributed to increased job cutting,” Challenger added.   

legacy of layoffs

US. job cuts for the first two months of the year totaled 141,537, according to 
the outplacement firm Challenger, Gray  Christmas. The pace is faster than 
in 1998, which was the heaviest layoff year in a decade. This table shows 
selected worldwide layoffs back to November. Company Jobs to be cut 
Reason  

 SOURCE: MSNBC news services   
Printable version 

   Thirty-one percent of the cuts in March came from the financial sector 
alone, with mergers accounting for a significant number of layoffs, according 
to the report.   
  
 Layoffs in the financial industry totaled 21,660 in March, followed 
by the aerospace/defense (8,520), health care (6,294), construction (5,061) 
and electronics (4,035) industries.

   By region, the West/Southwest saw the largest number of cuts last 
month, with a total of 25,559 layoffs. It was followed by the Midwest 
(15,877), East (15,428) and South (12,120).


 http://www.msnbc.com/news/wld/tables/layoffs.asp?child 

A legacy of layoffs  
 
U.S. job cuts for the first two months of the year totaled 141,537, according 
to the outplacement firm Challenger, Gray  Christmas. The pace is faster 
than in 1998, which was the heaviest layoff year in a decade. This table 
shows selected worldwide layoffs back to November.  
 
Company -- Jobs to be cut --Reason 
 
Mattel Inc. (4/15) 3,000 falling profits 
Storage Technology (4/15) 500 falling profits 
Sun Healthcare (4/9) 10,000 falling profits 
Bank One Corp. (3/30) 4,500  merger related 
Wells Fargo  Co. (3/28) 4,500 merger related 
America Online (3/24) 1,000 merger related 
Cabletron Systems (3/22) 900 sale of a unit 
CHS Electronics (3/22) 600 slipping profits 
Dimon Inc. (3/22) 200 weak tobacco demand 
First Union Corp. (3/19) 5,850 slipping profits 
Siemens AG (3/18) 1,800 restructuring 
Hexcel Corp. (3/17) 100 plant closing 
De La Rue Plc (3/16) 500 slipping sales 
Alcatel (3/11) 12,000 slipping profits 
Ingram Micro (3/11) 1,400 profit concerns 
Fluor Corp (3/9) 5,000 falling revenues 
Sony Group (3/8) 17,000 restructuring 
Advanced Micro Devices (3/8) 300 quarterly loss 
Republic New York (3/1) 560 restructuring 
Sheldahl Inc (3/1) 40 restructuring 
Medtronic (2/25) 1,600 plant closure 
Shell Oil (2/25) 300 weak oil prices 
Wellco Enterprises (2/25) 85 plant closure 
Cholestech (2/25) 20 cost cutting 
Carpenter Technology (2/25) 150 Asian impact 
Philip Morris (2/24) 1,400 plant closure 
General Motors Canada (2/24) 1,100 contract cancellation 
Marks and Spencer (2/24) 28 restructuring 
Bank One (2/22) 200 restructuring 
PRIMEDIA (2/22) 200 cutting unprofitable products 
Levi Strauss (2/22) 5,900 declining profits 
NEC 15,000 declining profits 
Applied Graphics Technologies 350 declining profits 
H.J. Heinz 4,000 restructuring 
ARCO Indonesia 900 weak oil prices 
Volvo Truck 650 weak demand 
Siemens Fossil Power 800 plant closure 
Microlog 30 restructuring 
BF 

Re: [CTRL] New issue of Paranoia out . . .

[(Charles Overbeck)]

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In a message dated 4/20/99 8:35:58 PM, you wrote:

It's not sold where I live;  do you know where I can send for it?

Paranoia, P.O. Box 1041, Providence, RI 02901
$5 cover price; $20/1-year subscription.

Highly recommended--the new issue is great Al!

--Charles Overbeck

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[CTRL] Jesus in Archaeology and History - Resource site

[Kris Millegan]

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from:
http://home.fireplug.net/~rshand/reflections/messiah/jesus.html
A HREF="https://www.netbanx.com/cgi-bin/let_ltd/precode.pl"Jesus in
Archaeology and History
/A
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Many embeds to articles and links.
Om
k
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is (the Messianic Priest's) wisdom will be great. He will make atonement
for all the children of His generation...His Word shall be as the Word
of Heaven and His teaching shall be according to the will of God. His
eternal sun shall burn brilliantly."
 - DSS 4QAaron (from the Dead Sea Scrolls)Christ on the Cross
Bartolome Esteban Murillo, c.1660-1682


The Jesus of Theology
325 C.E. marks a pivotal event in the history of Christianity. The Roman
emperor Constantine I summoned more than 250 bishops to Nicea in Turkey
to resolve a rancorous dispute which was threatening to disrupt the
newly won peace of his empire. While all the bishops agreed that Jesus
was divine, they disagreed on whether he had existed with God before the
beginning of time (as the Alexandrians believed); or had been created
later and was subordinate to God (a position popularized by Arius of
Antioch).
Constantine, still an unbaptized pagan at the time, decided in favor of
the pre-existence of Jesus. In addition he demanded that the bishops add
to the creed (drawn up by Eusebius, bishop of Caesarea) that Christ was
"of one substance" (homoousion in Greek). with the Father. It was
theologically necessary that God himself had become mortal in order to
make the hope that mortals may obtain eternal life more believable.
Under pressure of banishment, the council agreed with only two
dissenting votes. The true nature of the Son of God was now an ineffable
mystery beyond human understanding.
(To learn more about the first ecumenical council at Nicea, click here.)


The Jesus of History
Through the intervening centuries between then and now, the Nicene creed
has remained the basic and unassailable doctrine of Christian faith.
Jesus' sacrificial death gave man the key to salvation and his teachings
and deeds were of secondary importance. It is only in modern times that
any serious attempts have been made to learn about the Jesus of history.
Somewhere between the messianic expectations of the Jews and the high
christology of Paul was a real person who breathed and ate and was
concerned with the daily tasks of living like the rest of us. Yet he
made a profound impact on others, enough to gain a devoted, even
fanatical, following and to earn the enmity of those who would engineer
his death.
The Real Jesus? is a critical examination into the life and times of
Jesus. If we dare to look truthfully through the accumulated centuries
of obfuscation and mystery, what will we uncover about Jesus the man?
What did he really say and do? And, more importantly, is there anything
we can learn from the historical Jesus that will give us a new
perspective on our lives today?







Gospel narratives are now color-coded according to voting by the Jesus
Seminar.


"The Real Jesus?" is constantly being revised and expanded in the light
of new information.
Future plans include:
•Study Guide to supplement the material on "The Real Jesus?" and make it
more accessible and easy to understand
•WWW Board to allow discussion and peer review of the information
presented on these pages
•Insights from Hyam Maccoby's book, Paul and Hellenism

Blue Letter Bible Concordance and Word Search
Opens in a new window for quick reference




Table of Contents





The Last Kingdom of the Judeans


Ancient Traditions of the Messiah
 Where did the tradition of the Messiah come from? What did the
prophesies predict?

The Legacy of the Maccabees
 What inspired such heroic ideals of freedom and dark visions of the
apocalypse?

Discoveries by the Dead Sea
 New ruins have been excavated on the route to Qumran. What
surprises do they reveal?

The Messianic Elite
 A doomsday cult retreats to the desert - who were these people and
what was their secret?

Going Forth to Rule the World
 What were Herod the Great's plans? Why did the Zealots rise in a
bloody rebellion?

Preparing the Way
 Who was John the Baptist? Why was his program of baptism so
politically explosive?





The Life and Death of a Son of Man


Jesus - The Early Days
 What is the truth behind the Christmas story and Jesus' childhood?

The Mission Begins
 Why was Jesus thought to be possessed and rejected by his own
village?

The Ministry of Jesus
 What made Jesus' teaching about the Kingdom of God so
revolutionary?

Surprising Works
 Did Jesus really perform miracles and consider himself the son of
God?

Jesus in Jerusalem
 Did Jesus deliberately upset the Jewish officials and Roman
authorities?

Jesus' Final Days
 What can scholars tell us about the Last Supper, Jesus' arrest, and
conviction?

An Agonizing 

Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat]

[Robert Tatman]

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Kenn Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  -Caveat Lector-

 I'm seeing indications linking the Colorado shootings to The Basketball
Diaries,
 a movie where Leonardo DiCaprio dressed in a black trenchcoat blows people
away.
 It's based on a book by Jim Carroll, a writer connected to the
 Kerouac/Ginsberg/Burroughs nexus of beat poets. You can bet that the cause
of this
 violence will be tracked to everywhere but the actual source. The
play-acting
 violence of Hollywood, poor beatnik morals, but not the military state that
 creates the current violent climate.

 kt

The family of one of the earlier berserkers--can't remember which one,
unfortunately--is suing DiCaprio, his director, producer, film company,
distributors, etc., for inciting their son to pick up a gun and blow people
away. Add in Keanu Reeves in "The Matrix" and good ol' Fox Mulder in
"X-Files"...a kid with low self-esteem and a strong appetite for
escapism...mix with standard high-school taunting and peer pressure...and you
have a recipe for mass murder, especially in the climate Kenn refers to which
is doing a very good job of glorifying the military as sort of immortal
computer-game heroes who always come out on top...

Bob

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Re: [CTRL] Disappearance Remains Unexplained--Total Group ApathyReported

[Ric Carter]

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- Original Message -
From: Hilary A. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Disappearance Remains Unexplained--Total Group
ApathyReported

 Ric is happy and well.

 --
  From: Amelia Kay Edgeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  I was wondering if there were any updates on the mysterious
  disappearance of Ric of Skeptic News?  I miss the commentaries.
  Also, has any one even considered anything other than reptiloid
  kidnapping?  Could it be simpky that the battery in his implant
  went dead from chemtrail exposure?  Has anyone who personally
  know him looked behind the couch?  I can provide sources who
  know dead-implant victims always go behind the couch.  If it
  truly is rep-napping, why no ransom note?

Happy and well?  HAPPY AND WELL?!?!?!?!?  How HAPPY AND WELL would
YOU be with DracoBorgs sticking prototype implants up your wazoo,
sticking microcystic parasites under your skin to observe how they
breed, planting DH3N in your neuroreceptors to induce narcoleptic
hallucinations, and of course their constant beaming of HAARP-type
mind-control rays reiterating the message TRUST NATO, huh?!?!?  Do
that sound like I'm Having A Nice Day?  At least I have my old CPU
to play with, but I never know when it's hooked up. Is anyone seeing
this?  nonnok  Is this thing on?  Has anybody sent cash to my
bribe fund at: Box 888, Forestville CA 95436 USA ??  When will the
experimenters do something else to me?  Uh oh they're coming back
now -- what's that thing???  OO NO, NOT THE I*Uh98yh*()*(hh^j
NO CARRIER

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[CTRL] War Aims

[Robert Tatman]

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In Fischer's *Germany's Aims in the First World War* (1965?), one plan by the German 
General Staff called for German hegemony over the entire Danube valley, clear to the 
Black Sea. I was forcibly reminded of this when contemplating the changes that have 
occurred in European borders since 1990, plus the implications of the election of the 
arch-nationalist Jörg Haider as minister president (prime minister) of the Austrian 
state of Carinthia and the tacit alliance of Croatia and Slovenia with Germany. Think 
of this: a new German-Austrian Anschluss; Hungary, Serbia, and Romania become German 
vassals or protectorates... The result? German hegemony over the entire Danube valley. 
It just took them a little longer than they anticipated.

Bob

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[CTRL] FREE SPEECH!! Use it, or lose it! I won my case...

[Peter L. Sroufe]

Bard
THE ENEMY WITHIN!
http://www.dsausa.org/dsa/dsa/dsa/dsa/dsa/dsa/pc/pc.members.htmlVisit 
me at:The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Governmenthttp://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htmFederal 
Government defined:a benefit/subsidy protection racket! 

-Original Message-From: Richard Lewis 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, February 18, 1995 
8:12 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: FEC 
regulations violate 1st Amendment 

Restoring The 1st Amendment 

My name is Richard Lewis, in 1994 I made a second bid for Kentucky's 3rd 
congressional seat. 
I ran as and independent. The Federal Election Commission pursued complaints 
against my committee for almost four years. I was accused of coordinating with a 
grassroots political committee. 
Coordination would include talking to members of organizations that intend to 
write and publish articles that would include biographical information and 
positions that a candidate takes on any issue!
Freedom of speach and freedom of association are understood to exist for all 
U.S. Citizens including those who do not vote. FEC regulations assume that a 
candidate is somehow not entitled to freedom of speach or freedom of association 
unless they are talking to reporters and editors employed by the commercial 
press! The commercial press is free to endorse any candidate and that 
endorsement is not considered to have a financial value to a candidates 
committee! 
When a candidate is accused of coordinating with a grassroots political 
organization they are actually accused of failing to specify a value for any 
flyers or handbills distributed by a grassroots organization or exceeding a 
limit that the FEC places on the value of those flyers and 
handbills.
It is sufficent to say that my 26,000 dollar campaign was typical of those 
underfunded campaigns that reformers pretend to be concerned about. But if our 
existing election laws or the proposed reforms were actually written to protect 
the voting public those election laws could not or would not be used to harrass 
candidates who achieve 12% of the vote with 26,000 dollars against mainstream 
candidates with nearly a million each?

I won my case / dismissal with the FEC prosay. FEC attorneys acknowledged 
that they did not want to go to court with me "they acknowledged I would win." 
My brief framed Constitutional questions about the regulations I was accused of 
violating and they acknowledeged those regulations could not meet a 
Constitutional test. Our1st amendment did not guarrantee foreign citizens and foreign 
chartered or domestic corporations superior rights to influence U.S. laws and 
elections!
When the United States Constitution was adopted on March 4, 1789 it's 1st 
amendment guarrantees applied only to the Church and the people. Freedom of the 
press literally meant that every citizen was guarranteed the right to own, 
operate, or hire the use of a printing press. A printing press was the most advanced means of 
communication in that era. 
Corporations "much to the chagrin of corporate attorneys" did not enjoy 
Constitutional protections during the first ninety-seven years of our Republic. 
In 1886 the Supreme Court decreed without hearing arguments that "corporations 
would have the same rights as a person."
see pgs. 347-359 Who 
Will Tell The People by Willam Greider paperback
Unconstitutional election laws must be repealed, our 1st amendment 
guarranteed freedom of the press to the Citizens of the United States it did not 
grant foreign citizens "who are not eligible to vote in the U.S." or foreign and 
domestic corporations which are not living beings superior 1st amendment rights 
to influence this nations laws or it's elections.
According to 3rd district Congresswoman Anne Northup R. Kentucky two of the 
seven largest newspaper chains operating in the United States today are foreign 
owned.
Existing state and federal election laws presume that foreign citizens and 
foreign corporations that now operate more than 170 newspapers in the United 
States are entitled to be exempt from election laws that restrict the political 
activities of grass roots organizations operated by U.S. Citizens who 
imagine this:... "are eligible to vote in U.S. elections."
The U.S.Supreme Courts famous decision in the Marbury V.S. Madison case 
established that our United States Constitution cannot be amended by and 
ordinary law.
The Newspaper Exemption Act FECA Sec. 431 (2) (9) (B) (i) is and ordinary 
law. Call your Congressman and your U.S. Senators, Remind them that the 1st 
Amendment guarranteed freedom of the press to every U.S. Citizen. Make it clear 
you will not be a 2nd class citizen. Insist that Congress repeal the Newspaper 
Exemption Act !!!
To the best of my knowledge not one newspaper, broadcaster or political 
organization brought these facts to the public despite 
their emphasis on campaign reform and foreign influence! Richard Lewis 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
1-502-454-3707 

[CTRL] [10] Treason in America -- From Aaron Burr to Averell Harriman

[Kris Millegan]

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Treason in America -- From Aaron Burr to Averell Harriman
ANTON CHAITKIN (C)1984
New Benjamin Franklin House
P. O. Box 20551
New York, New York 10023
ISBN 0-933488-32-7
-

-10-

Franklin's Freemasons Versus Boston's Scottish Rite

In 1766, ten years before the U.S. Declaration of Independence Dr. Benjamin
Franklin traveled to the continent of Europe, to begin assembling a vast,
transatlantic conspiracy, intended to provide the strategic correlation of
forces indispensable to American victory over its oppressor and adversary,
Lord Shelburne's Britain. This vast conspiracy brought together, under
Franklin's leadership, the surviving networks earlier associated with John
Milton of England, Richelieu, Mazarin, and Colbert of France, and of
Gottfried Leibniz. The network of Franklin's conspiracy extended, outside the
future United States itself, from Leibniz's Petrograd Academy in Russia,
through the court of Spain's King Charles III, into the republican circles of
the Spanish colonies in America.

The central feature of the conspiratorial form of Franklin's transatlantic
network was Franklin's position as international leader, and Grand Master of
one of the two contending forms of freemasonry in France, ally of Franklin's
own Free and Accepted Masons in the U.S.A. The British-allied opposition to
Franklin on the continent of Europe was centered in a circle of Jesuit,
Swiss-banking, and British SIS forces and assets, assembled in the Nine
Sisters' Scottish Rite freemasonic lodge in Paris, under that Lodge's Grand
Master for France, and Franklin's chief adversary in France, the Duke of
Orleans.

The leading edge of British subversion within the North American colonies
and, Later, the United States, was the build-up of a network of Scottish Rite
lodges in direct opposition to Franklin's own freemasonic conspiracy. An
outstanding feature of this spread of the Scottish Rite conspiracy against
the United States was the rote of the medical school at Edinburgh, Scotland
(and other medical centers controlled by the Scottish Rite in Europe).

The pace at which the families of the Essex Junto could realize their
treasonous objectives was limited, perforce, to the rate at which they could
embed their conspiratorial network into controlling positions of public and
private institutions around the nation as a whole. Exemplary was the degree
of control they achieved over the chairmanships of the state medical
associations by the 1840s, and the circumstantially conclusive evidence of a
physician's role in assuring the death of President William Henry Harrison.
It was this Scottish Rite freemasonic conspiracy, centered around close
collaboration between Newburyport and Charleston, South Carolina, through
which the traitorous, slave-trading, and opium-trading freemasonic families
of Essex County deliberately organized the Confederacy, and the same
secession of which George Cabot wrote on January 29, 1804, and Timothy
Pickering on July 4, 1813.

It is therefore the transatlantic "freemasonic war" erupting during the
eighteenth century, and continued in the United States into the 1980s, which
is the main thread of conspiracy which must be uncovered and traced to
discover how the Essex Junto of Jefferson's and Madison's presidencies nearly
succeeded in destroying the nation, until the Battle of Gettysburg settled
the matter in 1863. It is to that connection that we turn our attention in
these chapters of our report.

However, we would be guilty of fallacy of composition of the evidence, if we
restricted ourselves merely to the British elements of this treason. Just as
we have shown, in the case of Aaron Burr's treasonous activities, that the
war against the United States during 1776-1783 was prosecuted as much by the
Swiss families centered around Mallet, de Neuflize, Schlumberger, and Necker,
as by the British themselves, so the same nominally Protestant,
French-speaking financier families of Switzerland were integral to the
outrages against our republic leading into the Civil War.


The Swiss and Jesuits

Since the evidence we report focuses almost exclusively on the British
connection to the treason, we preface those features of our report with a
summary description of the characteristic features of the Swiss and Jesuit
participation in these events.

The afflictions which have beset Western European civilization since the
accession of Charlemagne, have been chiefly productions of a force determined
to destroy the direction of development of Western Christian civilization set
into motion by the writings of St. Augustine, and given powerful force with
the rise of Charlemagne. The adversary, at the beginning, was based in
Byzantium, in the powerful banking and mercantile families of the Levant,
called "Phanariots" because of the wealthy district of Constantinople,
together with a powerful, Gnostic faction of pseudo-Christians within the
Eastern Church, centered around the hesychastic cults of the so-called 

Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat

[Teo One Thousand]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 4/20/99 10:23:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I'm seeing indications linking the Colorado shootings to The Basketball
Diaries,
 a movie where Leonardo DiCaprio dressed in a black trenchcoat blows people
away.
 It's based on a book by Jim Carroll, a writer connected to the
 Kerouac/Ginsberg/Burroughs nexus of beat poets. You can bet that the cause
of this
 violence will be tracked to everywhere but the actual source. The play-acting
 violence of Hollywood, poor beatnik morals, but not the military state that
 creates the current violent climate.

 kt 

The new movie, "The Matrix" features "cool" people in trenchcoats who do a
lot of shooting.  In that movie the idea was that reality wasn't "real" but a
construct of our own making driven by and controlled by a machine
intelligence (AI).  Could be this is an inspiration for what is going on
there.
Teo1000

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Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat

[Teo One Thousand]

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In a message dated 4/20/99 11:14:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 sorry, i dont see a' military state" that caused the tradegy in CO-the
 military has been cut, and swiped away for years
 rather i blame the fact that no one raises our kids anymore
 they raise themselves
 and they are not doing too well
 liz 

Good points.  The parents today let there children raise themselves for the
most part and a lot of them abrogate their parental responsibility.  Not all,
but many.  BUT the government has done and will continue to do things LIKE
this, so it is not a stretch to see them behind this latest item.  It will
further "their" agenda.  Remember the last round of school shootings?
Remember what was going on in national news at that time?  What were we being
distracted from then?  Now?
Teo1000

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[CTRL] UPI Updates

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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Wednesday April 21, 1:33 PM (EST)

Did SWAT teams take too much time to act?


LITTLETON, Colo., April 21 (UPI S) _ Questions are being raised (Wednesday)
about the length of time Denver-area SWAT teams needed to mobilize and
prepare to storm Columbine High School to stop Tuesday's shooting rampage.
Jefferson County Sheriff's Sgt. Steve Davis said, ``We didn't have any idea
how many assailants (were in the school), where they were...a dead officer
would not be able to help anyone. Next (question).'' Gunfire was heard
inside the school for about an hour after two gunmen launched their
assault.  [I have to admit that I thought it odd that everyone listened to
gun fire for an hour before doing anything.  As I understand it, they
didn't move into the school until the gun fire stopped...Hilary]



Wednesday April 21, 1:30 PM (EST)

Egypt not option for Kosovo refugees


CAIRO, Egypt, April 21 (UPI S) _ Egyptian Foreign Minister Amre Moussa says
(Wednesday) Egypt will likely not accept any Kosovar refugees, for fear
that a temporary displacement of the ethnic Albanians could turn into a
permanent diaspora. Although a number of Arab countries, including Egypt,
have donated humanitarian assistance, they have been criticized for not
doing more to help fellow Muslims. Not a single Arab country has offered to
take in the refugees, a UNHCR official in Cairo said last week, while
Israel has taken in over 100 refugees.   [Doesn't this seem odd that not
ONE Arab nation is taking in fellow Muslins?  Hilary]




Wednesday April 21, 1:09 PM (EST)

Bomb set off before Colo shootings


LITTLETON, Colo., April 21 (UPI S) _ Colorado authorities say (Wednesday) a
bomb was detonated about 1 1/2 miles from Columbine High School just
minutes before two gunmen started their shooting rampage Tuesday. Jefferson
County Sheriff's Sgt. Steve Davis says the bomb may have been set off by
the suspects as a diversionary tactic to slow police response time to the
school.




Wednesday April 21, 12:10 PM (EST)

Final death count at Columbine 15


LITTLETON, Colo., April 21 (UPI S) _ Law officers say (Wednesday) the final
death count at Columbine High School near Denver is 15, two of them
suspected of being the gunmen who walked through the school shooting and
tossing homemade bombs. Davis said 30 explosive devices were found in the
school, in the suspects' vehicles and at their homes. Investigators have
gone into the school for ``an initial walk-through'' to take photos,
followed by an investigative team consisting of officers from numerous
federal, state and local law enforcement organizations.



Wednesday April 21, 11:30 AM (EST)

Twelve wounded still hospitalized


LITTLETON, Colo., April 21 (UPI S) _ Officials say (Wednesday) 12 young
Coloradans wounded by gunfire and shrapnel in the Columbine High School
attack remain hospitalized, two in critical condition. Denver Health
Medical Center says a 16-year-old critically wounded boy is in a
ventilator. Eleven others were treated and released.





Wednesday April 21, 11:03 AM (EST)

Ex-pal: gunman said 'get out of here'


LITTLETON, Colo., April 21 (UPI S) _ One Columbine High School student in
particular is (Wednesday) lucky to be alive. Brooks Brown said he had left
the school to have a cigarette and encountered Eric Harris, who told him
``'Brooks, I like you. Now get out of here. Go home.' And so I didn't think
twice about it.'' Moments later, he said, gunshots rang out, sending him to
the nearest house to call police.




Wednesday April 21, 10:18 AM (EST)

Duma votes Yeltsin impeachment process


MOSCOW, April 21 (UPI S) _ The Russian Duma, the opposition-dominated lower
house of parliament, has (Wednesday) approved a change in procedure on the
upcoming impeachment hearings of President Boris Yeltsin, voting 329-42 to
hold the impeachment vote by open ballot. The change, pushed through by the
Communists, increases the chances of a humiliating vote against Yeltsin in
mid-May.




Wednesday April 21, 10:15 AM (EST)

NRA holding '99 convention in Denver


DENVER, April 21 (UPI S) _ The National Rifle Association will hold its
annual convention in Denver starting on April 30, just 10 days after
heavily armed teenagers carried out an indiscriminate massacre at a
suburban high school. Some 22,000 NRA members expected to attend the
three-day meeting face yet another argument for gun control, which the
group passionately opposes.



Wednesday April 21, 10:16 AM (EST)

Terrorists may use genetic engineering


LONDON, April 21 (UPI S) _ Britain's top scientific adviser, Sir Robert
May, says terrorists could produce genetically engineered viruses capable
of spreading deadly diseases through civilian populations. The assertion
appears in an article published (Wednesday) by the Times of London, based
on evidence the newspaper says was supplied to the House of Commons'
Environment Audit Select Committee.




Wednesday April 21, 10:09 AM (EST)

Ancient Roman ships found preserved

[CTRL] War Stars

[Robert Tatman]

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From Amazon.com:
War Stars : The Superweapon and the American Imagination
by H. Bruce Franklin
Our Price: $10.95

Availability: This title usually ships within 2-3 days.

Paperback (October 1990)
Oxford Univ Pr (Trade); ISBN: 0195066928 ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.77 x 9.02
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Other Editions: Hardcover

Amazon.com Sales Rank: 348,262

Reviews
The author, H. Bruce Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED], March 30, 1998
The American superweapon from the submarine to star wars. From Robert Fulton's
submarine to Star Wars, the superweapon has been a fatal lure in American
culture. Promising to end war, it has made war ever more menacing to our
species.END

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This is an excellent and rather terrifying book. It appeals to both the
science-fiction fan and the student of war, and it includes a lot of material
on the personalities involved in the weapons game--including Thomas Alva
Edison, "the Great Inventor," whose greatest invention was...himself, or
rather his public image. It also does a lot to explain why Reagan bought into
the "Strategic Defense Initiative" (High Frontier/Star Wars) scheme. *And* it
is a damn good read into the bargain!

Bob

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Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Disappearance Remains Unexplained--Total Group Apathy Reported]

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Amelia Kay Edgeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 I was wondering if there were any updates on the mysterious
 disappearance of Ric of Skeptic News?  I miss the commentaries.
 Also, has any one even considered anything other than reptiloid
 kidnapping?  Could it be simpky that the battery in his implant went
 dead from chemtrail exposure?  Has anyone who personally know him looked
 behind the couch?  I can provide sources who know dead-implant victims
 always go behind the couch.  If it truly is rep-napping, why no ransom
 note?
 Has anyone else been getting hang-up phone calls from Roswell?  Any
 update would be appreciated.
 Amelia

 Don't want to disappoint anyone just surfing through.  We are so
 grim/serious these days.

Amanda, the last time I tried to make telepathic contact with Ric, all I got
was an ominous hissing noise, interspersed with a strange high-pitched beeping
which seemed to come from many lightyears away...

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[CTRL] Shoot Straight in School!

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NRA To Make Stand Against Accidental Shootings
Push to require accuracy with Shoot Straight in School program



In the past few months, we have all witnessed tragedies in our communities.
Children between the ages of 10 and 18 have fired handguns and rifles in
public schools upon their classmates and teachers, resulting in dozens of
deaths and injuries. Stepping forward to do something to stem the tide of
blood is the National Rifle Association.

"We have seen a horrific amount of bloodshed in our schools, of late," says
NRA spokesman W. Claude Parker. "In my very own town a boy, thirteen years
of age, was angry at his girlfriend for taking up with another boy. In fact
that young lad was mad enough to kill. So he went home and he took up his
papa's 12 gauge from the living room, and his mama's .38 from her purse, and
the spare .45 from the glove compartment, and one of the assault rifles from
the rec room, plus his own hunting rifle, and headed back to school with
fire in his eye."

"Now we've all had the red in our vision when it comes to women," continues
Parker, "so we can see where the poor boy is coming from. Plus, he's at that
awkward age where just every other day you feel like you got some killin' to
do, right? Well anyway, this boy saunters into the cafeteria, sees his gal
with this other boy, and just starts firing away. He must have shot about 30
kids and 3 or 4 teachers and staffmembers. Thankfully, only 2 of those kids
died."

"But you see, when the smoke cleared and the names were put to the wounded,
it turned out that neither that girl nor her new beau had been among the
injured persons. In his rage, that boy had fired numerous weapons for over 6
minutes and failed to hit who he was aiming for. This is a thirteen year old
boy! All those other kids didn't do nothing wrong to that boy, but they went
down to the County Hospital or the Morgue, whatever the case were."

It's this kind of senseless violence that the NRA hopes to prevent with
their new Shoot Straight in School program. Starting in the third grade,
male students will be trained in basic riflery and targeting. The
requirements will become more difficult as students progress through the
system. The NRA will award scholarships to the most skilled marksmen as they
graduate.

"The state of our schoolchildren's skills is a damn disgrace," says
Principal Wallace P. Gomer of Birch High School in Beaver County. "I've got
kids in high school who don't know how to load an AK-47, much less fire one.
One of those boys gets it in his head he needs to shoot someone here in
school, well we're going to have another bloodbath."

Birch High School is one of the first to implement Shoot Straight in School.

In addition to target training, children will be taught emotional restraint.
"A lot of these kids just want to pull out their handgun and start firing at
the first sign of trouble," says Parker. "One of the slogans we teach kids
is Two Days, No Craze. We teach kids that when they are angry to not bring a
gun to school for at least two days. In many cases, this will calm the child
enough that they will not start shooting randomly into crowds. In some
cases, they may even decide against shooting someone in the first place."

But sometimes even the best intentions can fall short. During the creation
of this article, there was another shooting at Birch High School, in which
an eleven year old boy, angry at getting a failing grade, fired his father's
grenade launcher repeatedly into the teachers' lounge. Principal Gomer was
one of the fourteen fatalities.

Still, without the efforts of the NRA, how many more of our children, our
Nation's greatest asset, would be dead?

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Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference

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E Mael wrote

 that aint the half of it, i read a couple of accounts a few years back
 that are accounts of his being a thief and a scammer who cheated more than
 only tesla out of their rightful dues for the sake of a couple of dollars.
 he screwed tesla well and a lot of other inventors at the time. he used
 his money like a club and a lot of people suffered because of him. you
 want references? read a book.

That's a reference? You make accusations against a man of far greater
value to society than yourself and this is the kind of proof you offer?

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[CTRL] Violence in Ohio schools

[Peter L. Sroufe]

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Responding to violence in Ohio schools
by Ingrid Hubbard, editor

"All the policies in the world won't help if we don't have the necessary
training to deal with violence," said Greta Gardner, deputy director of
policy services at OSBA.

The recent tragedies across the nation remind Ohioans of the importance of
school safety issues. Teachers are not only concerned with the violence, but
also with the breakdown of discipline which can have a tremendous impact on
teaching and learning.

The National Education Goals has stated that by the year 2000, "all schools
in America will be free of drugs and violence and the unauthorized presence
of firearms and alcohol, and offer a disciplined environment that is
conductive to learning."

Each school develops its own code of conduct which includes a zero tolerance
policy. This code appears in the student's handbook and is posted in a
central location in each school. Parents have access to the code through the
student's handbook.

Another way schools deal with violence is through student disciplinary
policies which deal with expulsion, suspension, hazing, gangs and dangerous
weapons in the schools, among other items.

"It's wonderful to have all these policies in place, but if people aren't
trained to identify problems which may turn violent or how to effectively
deal with an issue, or if someone doesn't come in to train people on what to
do in certain circumstances, the violence will continue," said Gardner.

Some policymakers believe that individualized discipline and strict
penalties are the answer, while others believe that improving the school
environment through prevention programming is best.

Gardner thinks the teachers and guidance counselors need to be able to
identify students that are having a problem with anger and get them to the
appropriate people.

"Unfortunately, we don't have enough guidance counselors in the schools to
identify problems in children to intervene with prevention programs," said
Gardner. "But, they also need to teach kids how to deal with anger."

Gardner also believes that more parents need to get involved. More and more
children are being taken out of the school system and put into home
schooling because of the violence in schools.

"Policies won't protect you. We need assistance in providing training for
school administrators and teachers, and to incorporate a program to tell a
teacher that someone is threatening to bring a gun to school. People just
have to be more aware," said Gardner.

The National Association of State Boards of Education suggests that:

Each board should develop a plan for dealing with violence among young
people and its effect on teaching and learning. Then develop policies and
programs that effectively respond to the problem.

The board must protect the right of students and staff to feel safe and
secure in a classroom as well as the right of children and youth to receive
a public education. To do so, the board must assure that a continuum of
sanctions is available for children or youth who have been disruptive or
delinquent. Expulsion without alternatives is not a solution to youth
violence. At a minimum, alternative programs with strong academic and
counseling components should be provided.

Board plans should incorporate long-term strategies to prevent violence that
include a focus on school climate and culture; cross-disciplinary
instruction about violence, conflict resolution and ethics; and intervention
programs such as peer mediation, mentoring and counseling services. Only by
balancing prevention and intervention measures can educators truly reduce
the amount of violence and make a positive impact on the learning
environment.

"What we could be saying might not be right for every building, and
administrators and boards must realize that," Gardner said. "We have all
this information out there, and most districts have the majority of those
policies, but the problem is that you can never be prepared for what's going
to happen."

June 1998 Table of Contents
OSBA Journals | OSBA Home page
Ohio School Boards Association, 1998
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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Magnetic Anomaly]

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Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 In a message dated 99-04-21 03:03:05 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I suspect that the magnetic anomaly has already had an effect of triggering
 a 6.5 M earthquake near New Zealand, and perhaps may have contributed
 to the crazed minds of the suicide killers in Denver.

 I don't know about the particular magnetic anomaly referred to here --heck,
 there's probably even a huge solar flare striking the earth right now too--
 but I DO know that for weeks already, and for months to come (including the
 August eclipse, wherein it figures large) the two planetary "malefics,"
 Saturn and Mars, have been in opposition -- and it's "natural" under that
 aspect to expect assaults, fatal accidents, murders and ... WAR.
 In other words, it's "amok time" on planet Earth through most of this year,
 AD 1999.

Oh THANK you, that's *just* what I wanted to hear... "And there shall be wars and 
rumors of wars, and plagues, and pestilences in diverse places: but the end is not 
yet." If we get a winter that lasts three years, it'll mean Ragnarök is around the 
corner... Whose apocalypse do you want today?

Bob

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[CTRL] Oxford Hills (Maine) Comprehensive High School

[Peter L. Sroufe]

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`No student ever has the right to threaten another student,' says Blood. `We
investigate every piece of information about a threat.'
*
Sorting fact from fiction: OHCHS deals with hit list' rumors
C. A. Cousins

OXFORD HILLS The power of the rumor at Oxford Hills Comprehensive High
School is just starting to be realized.

In the midst of a barrage of rumors that are flying around the high school
like Maine black flies in July, administrators, staff and students are
trying to find the line between truth and rumors.

The air in the high school drips with tension as every passing period brings
a new version of a rumor among the students. They range from news of trivial
happenings to events as serious as death threats and school-wide `rumbles.'
These are not the typical `Who's dating who' rumors that one might expect
out of a high school. In the wake of the smattering of violent outbursts at
public schools and institutions across the country, Principal Phil Blood and
other school administrators are taking every rumor they hear very seriously,
but have thus far found no reason to associate them with truth.

`If I thought the students were in danger, I'd cancel school,' says Blood
decisively. `I don't feel that there's any substance behind the rumors.'

`The rumor mill has been working overtime,' says Superintendent Mark
Eastman.

The incidents started two weeks ago when a student had an argument with
another student and threatened to bring a gun into school. After an
investigation, the student was issued a no trespassing on school property
notice and is currently incarcerated at the Maine Youth Center. The student,
according to Blood, will not be allowed back on school grounds. This is a
rare instance of truth amid the rumors, Blood says.

Last week, a student in a technical program found a gun in a car he was
working on in one of the shops. The student notified the teacher and the gun
was secured. No students from OHCHS were involved or charged in the
incident. According to Blood, the rumor mill at the school created a false
link between this incident and the aforementioned threat. The two events
were completely separate and had nothing to do with each other, says Blood.

According to Eastman, the teacher had recently returned from a camping trip
and had left the gun in the car as a result of an oversight.

Last week, rumors spread about a group of students who were being harassed
to the point that they were talking about seeking revenge on another group
of students. The administration met at great length with all the students
involved to investigate the validity of the rumors. The students were
suspended until the investigation was completed in order to insure
everyone's safety, including the safety of those being investigated,
according to a letter sent home with students to parents last Thursday.

`No student ever has the right to threaten another student,' says Blood. `We
investigate every piece of information about a threat.'

As far as the administration can tell, this is where the line between fact
and fiction lies. On several instances over the past week, rumors have run
rampant. For example, many students thought that there would be some sort of
battle at the end of the school day on Friday. There was none. Another rumor
was spread that a group of students would seek revenge on members of the
freshman football team at a game. When nothing happened there, more rumors
flew that Tuesday was to bring a violent altercation in school. Although
Blood took the precaution of asking for a police officer to be on-site
Tuesday, again nothing happened. Eastman says that the police were on sight
more for the peace of mind of the students than for intervention in a
violent altercation.

`The police were there more to make people feel secure that we had the
situation under control,' says Eastman.

In other precautions, access to the school is being strictly limited, says
Blood, who added that police officers are in and out of the building on a
regular basis, but not because of the rumors.

In other efforts to slow the treacherous flow of rumors, administration and
staff met on Thursday morning to discuss the incident and to get the facts
out in the open. Teachers and students later took some time out of second
period to talk about the issue.

`We wanted to assure students that we knew about the rumors,' says Blood. `I
feel that this school's as safe as it was three weeks ago.'

Eastman calls the rumors `far fetched' and says that they are for the most
part `complete fabrications.' He attributes the problem partly to the
cultural change the United States has seen in the past few years, with
violent outbursts happening in schools across the country.

`That's in the back of our mind,' says Eastman.

`Many of the students are nervous and scared,' says Blood. `But most of them
are dealing with it pretty well.' He said that attendance was significantly

[CTRL] Bill Clinton vs. a bunch of old dead white guys

[Peter L. Sroufe]

Don't forget to read the Foot Notes:

 http://www.cei.net/~cantwell/ARPA/clinton.html

Hell no, Bill wouldn't go -
But He'll send your kids to Kosovo!

Bard

 Bill Clinton vs. a bunch of old dead white guys.url

[CTRL] Founding Fathers and Others ... on Firearms!

[Peter L. Sroufe]

  "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are
the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence."
 George Washington
**Remember him??*

Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom.  It is the
argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.

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Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference

[Howard R. Davis III]

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nessie wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 He did, however, invent

 They way I heard it he hired a staff, they did the inventing, and he took
 the credit. If so, he invented the modern research paradigm, a monumental
 feat in and of itself.


People who think that Edison hired a bunch of people and then sat back
and got all the credit haven't dealt with inventors. I have known dozens
and have invented things myself. Most inventors have dozens of projects
which they need help in creating. They come up with the basic idea, but
realize that there are technical problems which need to be solved. In
Edison's case, there were many experiments that needed to be done. Doing
those experiments is not inventing, deciding what experiments need to be
done is the crucial part of inventing. Edison is known to have done
that. Certainly if you go to the story of how he invented the phonograph
you would understand better that he was the sole inventor. Yes, he did
bring a sketch to Bachelor and asked him to make it. And Baetchlor
probably made some refinements based upon what Edison was trying to do.
But it was purely Edison'ss idea and even he was surprised when it
worked the first time. No doubt, that there were some claims on his
patents that should have been attributed to others. However, I don't
think that Edison was humble enough to work on others inventions. And
that is what you and others are suggesting. Inventors don't work for
money or publicity as most of you seem to think. They are useful, but
inventors see problems and want to find solutions to them. Edison was an
inventor. You can read his history and see that there were many
inventions that he developed long before he hired helpers. He saw
problems and he tried to solve them. Many of those solutions are still
benefittingg us today.

Howard Davis

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[CTRL] [5] Crime, Big Business Watergate

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an excerpt from:
The Breaking of a President 1974 - The Nixon Connection
Marvin Miller, Compiler
Therapy Productions, Inc.©1975
LCCCN 7481547
--[5]--
PROHIBITION: CRIME BECOMES VERY BIG BUSINESS

During the Prohibition period in the United States from 1920 to 1933, the
gangs of America grew extraordinarily rich in their own name. This wealth
eventually permitted them to become the master of the corrupt politician
instead of the slave. While it is still running ahead of our chronology to
speak now of the Prohibition era bootleggers who later became major
contributors to the political campaigns of Richard Nixon, the change in the
relation of the American criminal to politician can be seen in Chicago gang
leader Al Capone making a contribution in 1926 of $260,000 to the Chicago
mayoralty campaign of Big Bill Thompson. Capone could well afford this amount
because profits from the Chicago rackets then were estimated at $6,000,000
per week. Nationally, Prohibition was said to have resulted in a $10,000,000
daily illegal profit. But just six years prior to his large bribe to the
future mayor of Chicago, Capone had the reputation of almost always being
broke and having to ask for advances from his then crime bosses, Big Jim
Colisimo and John Torrio.

Colisimo and Torrio were not exactly poor men before Prohibition. Controlling
only a small portion of Chicago's prostitution and white slave rackets,
Torrio was making at least $100,000 a year. His much wealthier boss and
uncle, Big Jim, who had advanced himself through the corrupt Chicago
equivalent of Tammany Hall, sported diamonds on his tie-pin, suspenders,
watch-fob and garters. His famous restaurant, frequented by such notables as
Enrico Caruso, Flo Ziegfeld and George Cohan, was backed up by a string of
saloons and brothels. This empire started when Colisimo married Victoria
Morosco, the madame of four old frame brothels on Chicago's "Bedbug Row." Two
or the brothels charged $1 while the other two charged $2 per customer, the
same girls often being rotated by Colisimo from house to house regardless of
price.

While this seems to be small business, a Chicago police investigation a full
decade before Prohibition reported the existence of 1020 brothels in Chicago
employing 4000 prostitutes, while many more walked the streets. The gross
income of the prostitutes was estimated at $30,000,000 annually, of which
half went to pay off the police and politicians. And besides prostitution,
there was widespread gambling, a developing wire service for the bookmakers
taking bets on the horse races, and other sources of income available for
those functioning outside the law, including labor racketeering.

A PROFIT OF $246,000

However, Prohibition was to prove far more profitable than prostitution and
white slavery, which were on their way out anyway by 1920 because of
increased law enforcement. A few simple figures will illustrate the enormous
financial changes brought about by Prohibition. One railroad box of raw
alcohol containing 120 fifty gallon drums would cost a bootlegger $3270 at
prevailing rates. There would also be the cost of bribes to make the
transaction appear as if the alcohol were going to be legally used for hair
tonic or some such product. (We are assuming here that the box-car was not
hijacked). When the bootlegger would dilute this alcohol three or more times
and flavor it for the palate of the consumer, the sale value of the original
120 drums might now be as much as $250,000. Obviously, the bootlegger could
afford to lay out a considerable amount of money for bribes and
transportation of the contraband without substantially cutting into his
profit of $246,000 on a small investment.

Prohibition went into effect on midnight, January 16, 1920. Someone noted
that the first illegal drink was sold one minute later. Whether or not this
comment was accurate, it is known that in Chicago within an hour after the
law became effective, six masked gunmen broke into two railroad freight cars
and stole $100,000 worth of whisky marked "For Medicinal Use Only." That same
night in Chicago, another group stole four barrels of whisky from a bonded
warehouse, while a third gang hijacked a truck carrying whisky.

LANSKY THE MECHANIC

And where was Meyer Lansky? In 1921 Lansky was a young auto mechanic changing
the appearance of stolen cars so they could be used by bootleggers, jazzing
them up to run faster than police cars, and building into them the additional
storage space needed by the bootleggers. Typically adapting himself to the
new conditions, Lansky was soon to hire mechanics to do the physical work, as
well as hoodlums to steal the cars. After this expansion, he was to link up
with his friend Bugsy Siegel to form the famous Bugs and Meyer Mob to use his
cars and hired guns to safely transport and guard the booze.

As Hank Messick astutely points out in his biography of Meyer Lansky, the
automobile helped to revolutionize crime, and it was 

[CTRL] Funny

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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Thanks to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Lee) and [EMAIL PROTECTED] for
forwarding
this post.

(sent to USCMike1's 31,033+ readers - please repost to your own mailing
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if you want)

Dear Citizens, Patriots, Veterans, et al.:

 This is a cute alternate story of The Creation where Bill Gates is
Satan
and the Programmer and the User are Adam and Eve.  It is a Parody-Please
read
it, as it is too funny to pass up-this story really tells it like it is.
lol
lol

USCMike1

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 Subj: Fw: SNET: [piml] ..Another Creation Story
 Date:  4/20/99 2:55:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time
 From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Lee)


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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 12:00 PM
 Subject: SNET: [piml] ..Another Creation Story

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This is funny.Mike P

Another version of the "Creation Story".
Source unknown

1. In the beginning GOD created the Bit and the Byte.
And from those he created the Word.

2. And there were two Bytes in the Word; and nothing else existed.
And God separated the One from the Zero; and he saw it was good.

3. And God said - Let the Data be; And so it happened.
And God said - Let the Data go to their proper places.
And he created floppy disks and hard disks and compact disks.

4. And God said - Let the computers be,
so there would be a place to put floppy disks and hard disks and compact
disks.  Thus God created computers and called them hardware.

5. And there was no Software yet.
But God created programs; small and big... And told them
Go and multiply yourselves and fill all the Memory.

6. And God said -I will create the Programmer;
And the Programmer will make new programs
and govern over the computers and programs and Data.

7. And God created the Programmer; and put him at Data Center;
And God showed the Programmer the Catalog Tree and said
You can use all the volumes and subvolumes but DO NOT USE Windows.

8. And God said - It is not Good for the programmer to be alone.
He took a bone from the Programmer's body and created a creature that would
look up at the Programmer; and admire the Programmer; and love the things
the Programmer does; And God called the creature: the User.

 9. And the Programmer and the User were left under the naked DOS
 and it was Good.

 10. But Bill was smarter than all the other creatures of God.
 And Bill said to the User -
 Did God really tell you not to run any programs ?

 11. And the User answered - God told us that we can use every program and
every piece of Data but told us not to run Windows or we will die.

 12. And Bill said to the User - How can you talk about something you did
not even try.
 The moment you run Windows you will become equal to God.
 You will be able to create anything you like by a simple click of your
mouse.

13. And the User saw that the fruits of the Windows were nicer and easier
to use.  And the User saw that any knowledge was useless since Windows
could replace it.

14. So the User installed the Windows on his computer; and said to the
Programmer that it was good.

15. And the Programmer immediately started to look for new drivers.
And God asked him - What are you looking for?
 And the Programmer answered -
 I am looking for new drivers because I can not find them in the DOS.
 And God said - Who told you that you need drivers?
 Did you run Windows?
 And the Programmer said - It was Bill who told us to !

 16. And God said to Bill - Because of what you did you will be hated by
all the creatures.
 And the User will always be unhappy with you.   And you will always sell
Windows.

 17. And God said to the User - Because of what you did, the Windows will
disappoint you and eat up all your Resources; and you will have to use
lousy programs;
 and you will always rely on the Programmers help.

 18. And God said to the Programmer - Because you listened to the User you
will never be happy.  All your programs will have errors and you will have
to fix them and fix
 them to the end of time.

 19. And God threw them out of the Data Center and locked the door and
 secured it with a password.

 20. GENERAL PROTECTION FAULT

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[CTRL] [6] Crime, Big Business Watergate

[Kris Millegan]

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an excerpt from:
The Breaking of a President 1974 - The Nixon Connection
Marvin Miller, Compiler
Therapy Productions, Inc.©1975
LCCCN 7481547
--[6]--
THE
DEVELOPMENT
OF THE
MODERN MOB

Elmer Irey, former Chief of the Enforcement Branch of the United States
Treasury, once commented: "I think the Treasury Department's Intelligence
Unit has the greatest crime fighting record in America. We smashed the Capone
gangs, the New York gangs; the untouchable thieves of the Huey Long and Boss
Pendergast gangs; ... in two decades we recovered over a billion dollars from
crooked tax evaders but when it came to keeping America dry, we were just
overmatched."

Actually this is a somewhat self-serving and inaccurate statement in relation
to the gangs during Prohibition. Although many individual crime leaders were
imprisoned as a result of income tax evasion prosecutions, this did not stop
their crime organizations from continuing to function. During Prohibition,
criminals involved in producing, transporting and guarding large quantities
of alcoholic beverages developed very business-like, disciplined
organizations. As these crime corporations began to invest their huge profits
in legitimate businesses, it became less and less possible to stop their
activities by jailing the leader.

The Capone gang, for example, did not disband after Al Capone was jailed; it
simply carried on under the leadership of the Fischetti brothers, the Guzik
clan and Tony Accardo. It is suspected that this group, for example, over the
years has continued the management through anonymous intermediaries and
corporations of large portions of Florida real estate purchased when Capone
was still active. When Nixon became involved in purchasing Florida real
estate through Lansky associates, suspicions were voiced by some
investigators, that Capone-owned land was involved.

Law enforcement officials, however, still keep up the pretense that criminals
basically are unstable psychological types who don't cooperate well, and when
a leader is jailed, the gang disappears. This may have been true in the past
but not today. A corporation usually does not disappear if an individual
executive is jailed. And even if the corporation is liquidated, its real
assets or activities rarely vanish into thin air but are transferred to some
other operating entity. The assets often remain secretly under the original
ownership through intricate deals arranged by creditors and financial
institutions. The modern gang, managing considerable financial investments
through its own lawyers, accountants and banks, and maintaining interlocking
business connections with other criminal organizations, has to be viewed as a
corporate entity. It is a legal individual in its own right, instead of a
haphazard collection of individuals. Law enforcement, which is based on
proving individual responsibility for crime, is therefore as helpless in
destroying a modern gang as it is in liquidating a corporation.

It is not simply a question of size. There have been large gangs.
Monk Eastman, who got the vote out for Tammany, had a gang of 1200 toughs,
complete with a junior division. But when Eastman was jailed the gang ended,
although even that far back at the turn of the century come of Eastman's
hoodlums went over to Paul Kelly's gang, which performed the same function
for Tammany. In 1913 the circulation war between the Cleveland News and the
Cleveland Plain Dealer resulted in the creation of armies of young hoodlums
who fought for control of choice street-corners. Although the circulation
managers of the competing newspapers turned out to be leading figures of
organized crime in 1951, thirty-eight years later, when they were called as
witnesses before Senator Kefauver's Crime Committee, these 1913 gangs,
organized as they were to do the bidding of such political bosses as Mark
Hanna, were not permanent formations operating with their own financial base
and well-defined corporate chain of command. But such men as Alfred "Big Al"
Polizzi, Fred Angersola, Morris "Mushy" Wexler, who started out as street
hoodlums working for Cleveland News circulator Arthur B. "Mickey" McBride,
became prominent members of Prohibition gangs.

Still later Polizzi was to do work for Nixon's closest friend, Bebe Rebozo;
Fred Angersola with his brothers John and George were later to own motels in
Miami Beach, where Nixon and his associates were to mingle -with Syndicate
figures; while Wexler and McBride were to be involved with the horse-race
wire services which also figure prominently in our later investigation of
Nixon. When questioned by the Kefauver Committee in 1951 'about his pre-World
War I associations which extended almost forty years back into the activities
of organized crime, McBride philosophically observed: "Life is just a game of
chance."

In Chicago, Big Jim Colisimo also had a gang of street toughs before 1920 to
protect his illegal enterprises and to recruit female bodies for 

[CTRL] Marines to train on city's streets

[Hilary A. Thomas]

 -Caveat Lector-

 http://www.gatewayva.com

Marines to train on city's streets

Saturday, April 17, 1999

In June, about 400 Marines will hit the streets to train among Richmond's
factories, office buildings and smokestacks.
The troops from the 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit will be taking part in a
"TRUEX" -- training in an urban environment exercise -- June 2-15,
according to Capt. Mark A.S. Oswell.
Because the training will be blanketed with a certain amount of security at
the same time helicopters are sweeping around downtown buildings, the
Marines want to make sure the public isn't alarmed at the sight of
sea-soldiers operating in Richmond.
"The first thing people will notice is helicopter activity around the city,
and helicopter activity they're not used to," said Capt. Jim Rich. "We want
people to know this is part of a routine training evolution."
The service will not make public the training's locations and times.
To help introduce itself to Richmond, Oswell said, the 22nd will
participate June 4 in the opening festivities for the Riverfront Project
along the James River.
-- Peter Bacqué

Richmond Times-Dispatch

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[CTRL] New Fingerprint Device To Read Beneath Skin

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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® Top Story
New Fingerprint Device To Read Beneath Skin
19 Apr 1999, 3:48 PM CST
By Craig Menefee, Newsbytes.
MELBOURNE, FLORIDA, U.S.A.,

Biometrics firm AuthenTec, Inc., has announced a fingerprint identification
technology called E-Field that reads beneath the surface layer of the skin.
As a result, calluses and other "human surface defects" don't fool the
reader, the firm says.

Biometric devices work by measuring some aspect of a person's body, such as
fingerprints or voiceprints, and using the result to certify a person's
identify.

Newsbytes notes that no actual E-Field product is shipping yet, but Scott
Moody, president of AuthenTec, told Newsbytes, "It's on the cusp of being a
product. We'll be launching this summer."
AuthenTec says it plans to demonstrate the technology at the 1999
CardTech/SecurTech trade show, scheduled May 11-14 in Chicago. Moody told
Newsbytes the demos will include image acquisition success rates, success
at getting clear not fuzzy images, and the technology's use in actual
applications -- as a PC access device or in home security systems, for
example.

According to AuthenTec, a person's "real" fingerprints actually begin below
the skin's outer, surface layer, which tends to become dry, callused, worn
and dirty under real-world conditions. As a result, a surface-only reading
will produce false results or fail to acquire any print at all much of the
time.

"People talk about one-in-100 or one-in-a-billion success rates, but they
never talk about the prints they failed to acquire in the first place,"
said Moody. "If a technology doesn't work for everybody, those numbers they
throw out will not be true. That's why our focus has been on the ability to
acquire."

AuthenTec's E-Field technology uses an antenna sensor array to read beneath
the surface of the finger to the boundary between the live epidermal layer,
where fingerprint ridge patterns originate, and the outer, dead layer that
protects the body from harm. At the boundary is a layer of dying cells, one
cell deep, that follows the ridges and valleys beneath it. That boundary
has a different signal resistance that AuthenTec's technology reads by
creating a field between the finger and the semiconductor sensors. The
field mimics the shape of the ridges and valleys of the finger's epidermal
layer.

The sensors feeds their signals to an "under-pixel amplifier," which Moody
described to Newsbytes as "very much a summary term." In essence, an array
of the tiny sensors each sends a pixel-like signal to the underlying
amplifier, which digitizes it into a readable image of the fingerprint.

AuthenTec claims the resulting image accurately corresponds to the pattern
of the fingerprint, giving what the firm calls "a true, unaffected image
that neither optical nor DC capacitive technologies can produce."
Dale Setlak, vice president and chief technical officer, says, "With
fingerprint identification, it's all about acquisition. If a technology
can't read a fingerprint image, the myriad applications that have been
dreamed up for biometrics are meaningless."

Moody told Newsbytes the E-Field technology has been undergoing tests at
100 customer sites for several months and AuthenTec now has on-site the
first single-chip working version.

According to Moody, the technology has now had 18 patents granted, with 16
more pending and six being prepared for filing. In all, more the patents,
if all are granted, will cover more than 2400 original ideas, Moody told
Newsbytes.

"Actually, the number is changing every day," he added.

AuthenTec has a World Wide Web site at http://www.authentec.com
http://www.authentec.com .
Reported by Newsbytes News Network, http://www.newsbytes.com
http://www.newsbytes.com .
15:48 CST
(19990419/WIRES NETWORK, BUSINESS, LEGAL, PC/AUTHENTEC/PHOTO)
Copyright http://www.pnbi.com/copyright.html

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Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference

[E Mael]

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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
That's a reference? You make accusations against a man of far greater
value to society than yourself and this is the kind of proof you offer?

Howard Davis


i thought that nail was in but look here; nature has made a better idiot.
the information is there, if you had any intention of checking my sources
you would find it. since you have no intention of checking anyway; don't
bother me that inanity you have become so fond of.

do me a favor and pop yourself and think of me while you do it.

chris (damn, did i see him coming or what)shhhsh

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Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat Mafia Profile

[Suzy Hudson]

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  Despite their dark lifestyle, they had not shown an inclination for
violence
  before Tuesday, according to some of their fellow students at Columbine
High
  School.

On the news yesterday (CNN), a student who was enrolled in a video production
class with one of the shooters said that the shooter had made a video about
their interest in guns, shooting, and explosives.

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Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat

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 Furthermore, noting that the day of the shooting was Hitler's birthday, the
MS-NBC crew stated that, according to those who knew the perps, they were
admirers of Hitler and Third Reich imagery and specifically targeted
non-Aryans (black and latino high school students) for death (in addition to
the "jocks" they apparently despised also).

Only one black guy is dead, the other 15 dead are white people.. I don't know
about the injured people

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Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat

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In a message dated 04/21/1999 1:15:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 So human kindness could prevent a lot of trouble; blaming the victims -
 well, yes in their ignorance and youth, they probably didnot realize wht
 they were doing.  But the teachers and the police, had all been
 warnedand did nothing. 

I have a girlfriend who was raising kids the same time I was who told me
during a discussion of cruel teasing by school kids that when she was in
school, one of the kids in her highschool class was a dwarf (Hermorkio's
(Sp?) Disease type).  You may recall seeing Michael Dunn on television's WILD
WILD WEST.  Anyway the other kids thought it great fun to tease this kid.
They used to do fun things like hang him on a tree limb by his belt or throw
his books up on a low roof where he couldn't get them down--little attentions
like that.  Then when the bell rang they would troop into school and leave
him.  It was all very funny.  Then one day the kid had enough of it, and when
the school's star quarterback started to reach for him, he picked up a
section of two-by-four that happened to be there because of some minor school
construction, and slammed it into our star quarterback's legs.  The result
was a broken leg.  Now I don't recall what happened as a result, but we all
know that there's a point where teasing isn't funny any more.  Had the kid's
parents complained to the school about the treatment of their son?  Probably,
but that usually doesn't get much response.  This kid didn't have a gun.
This happened before everyone seemed to have a lot of those around the house.
 There's never an excuse for murder, but it might be a good idea if kids were
taught how to treat each other so that everyone was enjoying the experience.
Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat

[M.A. Johnson]

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Responsibility by definition means answerable or accountable
for. And what is a person responsible for? Everything he
thinks, says or does. Why? Because no matter what or whom
one can blame for the circumstances of his life, he is still
stuck with the consequences of everything he thinks, says or
does. People can be terribly unreliable but never irresponsible.
Thus there is no way a person can be irresponsible because
everyone is answerable or accountable for everything he thinks,
say or does, does not do or neglects to do. Until people fully
realize that they are totally responsible for their lives, we
as a society collectively will be operating under a false and
distorted assumption of what responsibility means.
 -- Sidney Madwed


MJ:
   You certainly missed it ... individual responsibility coupled
   with piss-poor parenting.

Thomas, Kenneth F. wrote:
I know CTRL readers won't go for this simplistic ballyhoo.
Here's a good place to start looking for real answers
about the school shootings:

MJ:
Your emotive efforts aside ...

Two gunmen shoot a group of 'innocents' ...

First we blame the guns ...

  While 'guns' do not kill ... we find a gun is used for the
  purpose of self-defense nearly 7,000 times daily (Florida
  State Criminologist Gary Kleck) They’re just not newsworthy
  because, in almost all of the self-defense incidents, the
  gun wasn’t even fired.

  "More Guns, Less Crime" by John Lott contains a comprehensive
  and scientific study of the effects of gun control on crime
  rates. Lott’s research found that violent crime rates are 81
  percent higher in states without nondiscretionary laws.
  Nondiscretionary concealed carry laws require the issuance of
  a concealed weapons permit if the applicant meets the standards.
  Just looking at murder rates --- States that ban carrying
  concealed weapons have murder rates 127 percent higher than
  states with laws that allow law-abiding citizens to carry
  gun for protection.


... then we incorporate the Militia and other groups which are
painted in a bad light -- whether or not there is truly a
connection ... certainly THEY are to blame ...

  certainly emotive non sequitur with ad hominem overtones, but
  then our educated electorate is no longer and it makes great
  'press'

... we can then determine this a hate crime if the victim is in
a protected group. Then we we can blame bigotry, prejudice or
the misunderstood term; racism ...

   That is all the 'rage' these days isn't it?  Not only did
   Little Jimmy kill Bobby, but because of their group it is
   suddenly more egregious a crime.


... Of course the blame MUST then be in the television, the
radio, the rock music, lyrics, the latest popular rock act ...
and now we can even place blame with the internet ...

   What we never ask is WHY the authority figure responsible
   for the 'child' permitted access to these various
   (non-contributing) media OR why no core was instilled where
   this type of material is consumed for what it is -- entertainment.


... We need more laws, especially against guns ... their lack is
to blame.

   Note the studies above ... these children broke numerous
   EXISTING laws which did NOTHING to deter them.

... the peers are to blame

   Parents have no say in how their children are raised or with
   whom they associate?

... oh well, it takes a village, the village failed ... SHIT happens


No matter how you try project blame from reality, it is those
two predators that made the CHOICES and bear the brunt of
the responsibility.  Their parents are secondarily to blame
for their 'failures' in raising autonomous, responsible
individuals.

If you have interests other than fallacy and the desire to
absolve responsibility with this feel-good nonsense ...

Regard$,
--MJ

Few skills are so well rewarded as the ability to convince
parasites that they are victims. -- Thomas Sowell

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Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

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In a message dated 04/21/1999 1:40:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Colleen Jones wrote:

 A lot of evil is coming out of Colorado; from Ted Bundy, the guy that
 shot Reagan, these kids, the little Jon Benet Ramsey.the horrible
 movie that got the Oscar, about the butchers which was said to be a
 comedy that got an academy award. 

I believe that Ted Bundy was originally from the State of Washington.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Raison detre ?

[Das GOAT]

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DENVER, April 21 (UPI S) _ The National Rifle Association will hold its
annual convention in Denver starting on April 30, just 10 days after
heavily armed teenagers carried out an indiscriminate massacre at a
suburban high school. Some 22,000 NRA members expected to attend the
three-day meeting face yet another argument for gun control, which the
group passionately opposes.

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Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat

[Suzy Hudson]

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In school today, I saw my peers laughing about the massacre which happened in
Columbine yesterday. Some were giggling and joking around, pointing at people
who were wearing black, saying that they were members of the Trenchcoat
Mafia. The people who were wearing black said nothing in reply to them, but
I, one of them, was wearing black because of the deaths yesterday. Society
has raised a youth insensitive to horror, insensitive to each other, and far
too familiar with ways of destruction. All my peers at school today-- the
most they could say was, "gee, isn't that bad".. the next moment they were
laughing and joking. I don't feel that they should have been outraged and
sadden and stricken all day, but at least show a *little* compassion. My
belief is that this generation now, mine, is too callous and most likely
cannot be changed to be aware of the actuality of horror..

  The latest trend is it not, to murder school kidsHalloween, was i
designed to terrify little children and turn murderers and butchers against
them?

What are you talking about?

  And what about abortion; if a woman wants an abortion, do it quietly
between the doctor and patientnow our children observe their mothers
murdering their babies.   Arent we nice and setting nice examples...let alone
Doctor Kovorkian, or whatever his name is.   He is where he belongs; they
should put him on death role to assist those condemned to die, in a more
humane manner


Jesus woman, Doctor Kevorkian was doing a good thing-- providing a clean
humane way for people whose quality of life and health has gone down the
drain to die peacefully and with dignity! The 'nice example'? Children, I
believe, are not going to be influenced by Doc Kevorkian.. The prison system,
for them to allow Doctor Kevorkian not to eat.. aren't they letting him
commit suicide? illegal? huh? HUH?? *spaz*

  The movie industry is controlled by our government; the five major
publishing houses were bought by the Mafia some time back, and in 1974 World


So the government wants children to blow people up?

  Now here is Clinton playing another humanitarian role, while he and his
butchers of Waco and the Balkans send in armed troop virtually ready to blast
away at the school.   Can you imagine what might have happened here, if the
killers were alone in the building...and had not killed themselves.

Let's pity the killers, those who chose, I'm almost certain beyond a doubt,
to kill on their own.. No one was shot by the police (as far as I know), and
if the killers were alone in the building.. I would expect what they did to
come right back and get them

  The one thing that I detested this afternoon, was a young man, who said
"oh nobody liked them, they were scum"now I wonder why these kids would
do as they did.who got their hooks into them, who set them offand
why today?These kids were obviously on drugs, and this Mafia
stuffwell how about a few moremovies with DiNiro playing the Godfather;
he is in trouble now in Italy for criminal connections.

Of course people in high school are going to be picked on, cliques are GOING
to be formed, always have, always will be.. the way people deal with the
taunting, with the exclusion, that is what we should concern ourselves with,
not breaking cliques.. Yes, the children should be taught to treat each other
well, give them the respect every living creature should get..  "These kids
were obviously on drugs"-- sure, they could have been on drugs, prolly PCP,
but still, not everyone who commits a heinous act is gonna be a druggie..
Mafia? Most kids in highschool don't know jack about the Mafia. Someone
mentions the word, and all they think of is a band of people who have lots of
money who kill people. 99% of them wouldn't have the patience to sit through
the Godfather!

  A lot of evil is coming out of Colorado; from Ted Bundy, the guy that shot
Reagan, these kids, the little Jon Benet Ramsey.the horrible movie that
got the Oscar, about the butchers which was said to be a comedy that got an
academy award.

'Let's go to Colorado and destroy the evil! Colorado is terrible, let's put
the blame there..'
*
I don't know. This just sickens me, that the student-shooters would have that
great, apparently uncontrollable, urge to go and kill.. It's true that the
blame shouldn't be put on music, or movies, or parents, or just slapped on
society, or the government.. Or the schools? (I heard the old purpose of
schools was to make productive, law-abiding citizens)..
I've been raised in a violent household. I've made it my choice to turn from
those practices which I have seen over the past 16 years. My brother, on the
other hand, while he won't come out and denounce the violence, I know that he
is very inclined to go out and use abusive language and be physically
violent. But I'm just a high school student, I still don't really know
anything, and I should keep my nose in my academics..

-Suzy

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Re: [CTRL] Kenn Thomas on Art Bell

[Don Allen]

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At 09:31 PM 4/20/99 -0500, Kenn Thomas wrote:
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Don:

I'm not actually on the show with Art, but his substitute Hillly Rose. Put
me in
touch with Gary Aldrich.

Send email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Robin Rosen. Although he/she (hard to
tell the gender here) schedules interviews with Aldrich, they could probably
tell you how to get on his radio show. Also Robin can be contacted at
703-758-0311, as well. Aldrich has a web page at http://www.garyaldrich.com

His radio show can be found at:

http://www.talkspot.com/shows/Gary_Aldrich_Show/ - Weekdays 8 AM - 9 AM PT

Aldrich was the FBI agent who blew the whistle on the sordid goings-on of
the Clinton White House staff, in his book, "Unlimited Access". This was one
of the few books that once I started, couldn't put down until I finished it. A
complete
mindblower.

Aldrich recently had an interview with Guy Bannister, the ex-IRS CID agent who
went
over the wall. Ve interesting.

Don


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[CTRL] Fw: Earth Day and Rambouillet

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 11:27 AM
Subject: Earth Day and Rambouillet


Institute for Public Accuracy
915 National Press Building, Washington, D.C. 20045
(202) 347-0020 * http://www.accuracy.org * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
___

Wednesday, April 21, 1999

EARTH DAY AND RAMBOUILLET

ROBERT HAYDEN, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Director of the Center for Russian and East European Studies at the
University of Pittsburgh, Hayden said: "The administration's Rambouillet
plan was a public relations fraud rather than a diplomatic compromise. It
provided for the independence of Kosovo in all but name and the military
occupation by NATO of all of Yugoslavia -- not just Kosovo. This was plainly
a
proposal that no government could accept... NATO's bombing of the
petrochemical plant at Baric only a few miles from Belgrade risked the life,
health and safety of the civilian population of 2 million in the city of
Belgrade. The attack released clouds of poison gas over Belgrade, and
violated international humanitarian law. Fortunately, the winds kept the
poison cloud above the city. Ironically, Clinton had just warned the Serbs
against using chemical weapons."

TARA THORNTON, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.miltoxproj.org
Thornton is the Military Toxics Project's international coordinator for the
Ban Depleted Uranium Campaign. While the military still has not confirmed or
denied that they are using depleted uranium, Thornton said: "As Earth Day
1999 [April 22] approaches, we in the U.S. are at war with two countries. We
have used depleted uranium (DU) weaponry in Iraq which is both a toxic and
radioactive weapon. DU dust created by firing these weapons has a half-life
of 4.5 billion years. Many believe DU may be one of the causes of Gulf War
Syndrome in our veterans and of the increased rates of cancers and childhood
leukemia reported in southern Iraq. Depleted uranium can also contaminate
the air, water, agriculture and livestock."

RANIA MASRI, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.iraqaction.org
Coordinator of the Iraq Action Coalition, an environmental scientist and a
national board member of Peace Action, Masri said: "The bombing of
Yugoslavia is reminiscent of the bombing of Iraq. That has proven to be
devastating for both the Iraqi people and the environment. In 1991, the U.S.
military used 300 tons of DU in Iraq. They bombed chemical and biological
facilities, oil refineries, waste water treatment facilities, factories and
agricultural fields. As a result of all this, compounded by almost nine
years of sanctions, unidentified plant diseases have surfaced, over 15
million trees have died, cancer rates have increased three fold and the food
chain has been contaminated. We cannot allow the same to happen to
Yugoslavia."

SETH ACKERMAN, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.fair.org
A media analyst with Fairness  Accuracy In Reporting who monitors the
European press, Ackerman said: "The Rambouillet talks were a farce. The U.S.
consistently refused to negotiate; for example, Madeleine Albright told the
Serbs, 'We accept nothing less than a complete agreement, including a
NATO-led force.' There is evidence that a peaceful solution was possible,
but the U.S. has blocked that route."

For more information, contact at the Institute for Public Accuracy:
Sam Husseini, (202) 347-0020; David Zupan, (541) 484-9167








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[CTRL] Fw: Encirclement

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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Will this be Romania's  Bulgaria's ticket to ride on the NEATO train?



: From Int'l Herald Tribune
:
: Paris, Wednesday, April 21, 1999
: NATO Gets Right To Use Airspace Bordering Serbia
: Romania and Bulgaria Approval Will Allow Campaign to Expand
:
: --
--
: 
: By Joseph Fitchett International Herald Tribune
: --
--
: 
: PARIS - Seeking to throw more airpower into the Kosovo campaign, NATO got
: approval Tuesday from Bulgaria and Romania to use their airspace in an
: expanded bombing campaign.
: The move came as allied officials acknowledged that Serbian strength in
the
: province was largely undented after four weeks of bombing and missile
: attacks.
:
: Albania, another non-NATO country, already has made its military
facilities
: available to NATO for the alliance's aid to refugees and its attacks on
: Serbian forces in Kosovo.
:
: Serbian and Albanian forces briefly exchanged fire on the border as U.S.
: Apache helicopters, unexpectedly reinforced with 500 men from the 82d
: Airborne Division, started arriving in Albania.
:
: The Czech Republic and Hungary, the two NATO allies closest to Serbia
: geographically, also were being asked for help. The Czech government,
which
:
: has opened its airspace, was reported Tuesday to have approved letting
: allied forces cross the country by road and rail, presumably from Germany
to
: Hungary.
:
: Hungary, the only NATO country that shares a frontier with Serbia, could
be
: used as a launching point for a ground drive into Serbia. More likely,
: officials said, NATO forces in Hungary would tie down Yugoslav troops and
: deter any cross-border incursions.
:
: As the allies sought to tighten the noose on Yugoslavia militarily and
: economically, NATO reported that Serbian forces were pursuing ''ethnic
: cleansing'' against the remaining civilian population of ethnic Albanians
in
: Kosovo and, for the first time, expanding the expulsion campaign to
: Montenegro, Serbia's partner in the Yugoslav federation.
:
: Serbian forces also were reported to have crossed via Montenegro into the
: peninsula of Prevlaka, a finger of Croatia that has been a demilitarized
: zone under United Nations control since the end of the fighting in Bosnia
: three years ago.
:
: Croatia's official news agency reported the incursion, which increased the
: Serbian military pressure on Montenegro, which has Yugoslavia's only
: seaport. The incursion would mark the first time that President Slobodan
: Milosevic of Yugoslavia has challenged the territorial lines that emerged
: from the Dayton peace accords on Bosnia, lines that are enforced by NATO.
:
: Officials of neighboring countries said that ethnic tensions were near the
: flash point, notably in Macedonia, raising the specter of a wider conflict
: if Serbian forces push out a final wave of Kosovars and send hundreds of
: thousands of desperate, ill refugees into Macedonia and Albania.
:
: With both sides escalating their offensives at what could be a crucial
: moment in the conflict, Western officials said that they were increasingly
: fearful about the fate of several hundred thousand military-age men in
: Kosovo.
:
: NATO air strikes once again were hampered by adverse weather, and
officials
: at alliance headquarters admitted that bombing, no matter how effective,
: would not deprive Serbian armored forces of fuel completely as long as
: Belgrade was able to import gasoline and lubricants via Montenegro.
:
: NATO is considering a naval blockade to cut deliveries by tankers, many of
: which operate under flags of convenience. France has led objections in the
: alliance to such an interdiction, arguing that NATO has no legal basis to
: expand its campaign to the sea without a UN Security Council mandate.
:
: Hubert Vedrine, the French foreign minister, said that Paris backed an
: allied study to pinpoint sources of vital supplies for Belgrade's military
: machine and suggested that the European Union might be able to provide a
: basis for action against the suppliers.
:
: NATO also could bomb facilities at ports in Montenegro used to unload
: petroleum, but allied officials so far have preferred restraint as a way
of
: protecting the pro-Western government in the tiny republic from being
: overthrown by the Serbian military.
:
: Hungary has not cut off a pipeline running across its territory that takes
: oil to Belgrade, apparently because of fears for the Hungarian minority in
: Serbia.
:
: In their effort to sustain morale in NATO countries, Prime Minister Tony
: Blair of Britain and other Western officials hammered away at the themes
of
: Serbian barbarity and their own faith that the air war would shake Mr.
: Milosevic and scatter his forces in Kosovo.
:
: But their show of confidence had to contend with new disclosures about the
: shortcomings of NATO's air 

[CTRL] Fw: Balkans in the Balance

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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Let's see ... somewhere a while ago there was some discussion about the
two brothers in a fight who stopped their personal conflict and turned
jointly on the (dis)interested party who tried to intervene.  And, of
course, as might be seen in the National (Colorado) news, there is a
continuity to the solution to all really difficult problems:  if it {I}
doesn't {don't} fit, use force.  Is Colorado a Karmic consequence, an
indicator of the culture as a whole?  How well do 'our'
children/youth/emerging adults learn that the natural result of frustration
with others' intransigence is violence; how well does leadership/media
convey the message, "They wouldn't listen {we didn't get our way}, so we
struck." ?  At what point does the influence of the far-away fantastic -- a
conflict 'over there' -- become an at-home reality?  Points to ponder at any
rate.  AER 




: From wsws.org
:
:  WSWS : News  Analysis : Europe : The Balkan Crisis
:
: One month of the Balkan War: a balance sheet
: By the Editorial Board
: 21 April 1999
:
: One month ago President Clinton went on nationwide television to tell a
: stunned population why the United States and its NATO allies had launched
an
: air war against Yugoslavia. Without even the pretense of a public debate,
: and no prior authorization from Congress, the Clinton administration had
: initiated the first-ever NATO war against a sovereign country, and the
: biggest military action in Europe since the Second World War.
:
: Not since the Gulf of Tonkin incident in 1964--now generally acknowledged
to
: have been a US provocation--have the American people been so rapidly drawn
: into a major war against a nation that posed no direct threat to their
lives
: or well-being. Indeed, in his television address that Wednesday evening,
: March 24, Clinton felt obliged to point out on a map of Europe the
location
: of Yugoslavia and the province of Kosovo.
:
: A month later, what has become of the rationale given for the war? What
has
: the US-NATO assault produced for the people of Yugoslavia, including the
: ethnic Albanians of Kosovo? How does the present bombardment of the
country
: compare to the limited war aims initially spelled out by Clinton and other
: US and NATO officials? And, with US combat troops on their way to the
: Albanian border with Kosovo and American officials demanding a naval
: blockade of Yugoslavia, what will be the dimensions of the conflagration a
: month from now?
:
: That Wednesday evening Clinton portrayed the bombing as a humanitarian act
: designed to pressure Yugoslav President Milosevic to halt the uprooting of
: Kosovar Albanians and accept the so-called peace plan fashioned in
: Washington. There was no suggestion that the Serb nationalist Milosevic,
: confronted with an ultimatum to accept the domination of Kosovo by the
armed
: separatists of the Kosovo Liberation Army, under the protection of 28,000
: NATO troops, might respond to the NATO attack by intensifying his
offensive
: against his KLA enemy, fanning the flames of ethnic hatred and creating a
: massive refugee crisis in the process.
:
: Failing to "act," Clinton declared, would run the risk "that many more
: innocent people will die or be driven from their homes by the tens of
: thousands; the risks that the conflict will involve and destabilize
: neighboring nations."
:
: Had Clinton set out to predict the consequences of the very action he was
: announcing, he could not have done better. Hundreds of thousands of ethnic
: Albanians, and an unknown number of Kosovo Serbs, have fled the scene of
: civil war and aerial bombardment that Kosovo has become in the space of a
: few weeks. Serb depredations on the ground compete with US-NATO atrocities
: from the air, while the KLA, with direct support from Washington, seeks to
: exploit the carnage to further its own nationalist aims.
:
: Every country in the Balkans has been destabilized by the NATO war.
: Macedonia and Albania have been turned into staging grounds for NATO
attacks
: on Yugoslavia, while their impoverished economies and backward social
: structures have been brought to the breaking point by the influx of
: refugees. Albania, now a platform for the KLA and American Apache
: helicopters and support troops, is already in a de facto state of war with
: Yugoslavia.
:
: The Adriatic is choked with carrier fleets armed with cruise missiles and
: attack planes, and the whole of the Balkan peninsula--including Croatia,
: Bosnia, Greece, Turkey, Romania and Bulgaria--is on the verge of being
drawn
: into the conflict.
:
: As for the scope of the NATO assault on Yugoslavia, what was initially
: portrayed as a limited air attack on Yugoslav air defenses, oil depots and
: radar installations has mushroomed into an ever-widening campaign to
destroy
: the economic infrastructure of an entire country. Within hours of the
first
: air strikes, US and NATO officials recognized that they had badly
: miscalculated, drastically 

[CTRL] Crime Policy

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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From http://crimepolicy.org/
Via www.epn.org

CAMPAIGN FOR AN EFFECTIVE CRIME POLICY

ABOUT THE CAMPAIGN

Launched in 1992 by a group of criminal justice leaders, the non-partisan
Campaign for an Effective Crime Policy encourages a less politicized, more
informed debate about one of our nation's most difficult problems.

The Campaign's petition, "A Call for a Rational Debate on Crime and
Punishment," has been endorsed by more than 1100 criminal justice
professionals, elected officials and community leaders in all 50 states and
the District of Columbia.

The Campaign is guided by a Steering Committee and a National Advisory
Committee that include representation by corrections, law enforcement,
legislators, judiciary and others. The Campaign is coordinated by The
Sentencing Project.

The Campaign does not endorse candidates or promote specific legislation,
but does work to educate other leaders, the media and the public about the
relative effectiveness of various strategies for improving public safety.

The Campaign has made recommendations for federal crime policy, and
published policy reports on youth violence,mandatory minimum sentencing,
boot camp prisons, drug courts, and the relationship between imprisonment
and the crime rate. Its staff has just recently released a new report,
"Three Strikes: Five Years Later," a summary of which appears on this web
site.

The Campaign has sponsored three national conferences on "Crime and
Politics." Each was attended by crime experts, leaders in state and local
government, law enforcement, business, higher education, victim
organizations and community groups. The 1998 conference theme was Public
Safety and the Quality of Justice. Conference materials and other
information can be ordered through our publications list.

Your involvement is invited
Our nationwide, professionally diverse coalition provides an information
resource, regular mailings with topical updates, and a speaker referral
service.

If you would like to join this effort by lending your name to the Call for a
Rational Debate on Crime and Punishment, please click on "The Call," below.
Your comments, questions, suggestions and participation are welcome.

~

WHAT EVERY POLICYMAKER SHOULD KNOW ABOUT IMPRISONMENT AND THE CRIME RATE

Executive Summary

Despite the fact that the number of Americans in prison has quadrupled over
the past twenty years, the public does not feel safer. Taxpayer costs to
incarcerate more than one million inmates have soared in recent years. These
factors suggest that it is critical to examine the impact of incarceration
on crime.

Analysis of the research on incarceration and crime rates does not show a
strong correlation between the two. Although it is difficult to measure the
effect of incarceration on crime rates, incarceration appears to have no
significant effect on violent crime rates and, at best, a marginal effect on
property crime rates.

Why doesn't increased incarceration lead to lower crime rates? Researchers
have cited the following factors:

. A wide variety of economic and social factors outside the control of the
criminal justice system contribute to crime rates.

. Demographics indicate that overall crime rates tend to rise and fall with
the number of males in the 15-24 age group.

. The criminal justice system deals only with a small fraction of the actual
crimes committed: approximately 90% of serious felonies are never reported
to the police, or go unsolved.

. The system is unable to reliably identify high-risk offenders early in
their criminal careers.

. The threat of longer prison sentences does not deter violence, since most
violent crime is committed impulsively, often under the influence of alcohol
or drugs.

. For some types of crime, especially drug crimes, new recruits quickly take
the place of those arrested.

Conclusions

Prison plays the essential role of incapacitating dangerous felons, but has
not had a significant effect on reducing overall crime. In setting spending
priorities, policymakers need to take into account the use of correctional
resources and invest in a variety of strategies, effective intermediate
sanctions, drug treatment, community policing, and other programs and
policies. Overall, crime policy should be better informed by research and
program evaluation.



THE VIOLENT JUVENILE OFFENDER:  POLICY PERSPECTIVES

Executive Summary

While violent crime rates overall have declined somewhat in recent years,
violent crime by juveniles is rising. Public concern and media attention
have helped fuel legislative action. Some of the new laws, however, may be
more effective in expressing outrage than in solving the problem.

A more informed discussion about the problem and various approaches to
solving it is needed. Citizens and policymakers will benefit from making
intelligent use of research and the expertise of practitioners.

The dimensions of the problem include the following:

. A small proportion of 

Re: [CTRL] Littleton Massacre Story Changes

[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

 -Caveat Lector-

I also found it strange that on the videos shown on the news this
morning, it showed the cops 'rescuing' some students, but all these
students were running with their hands linked behind their heads,
in what basically looked like a gauntlet between two lines of SWAT
teams...basically, the kids had their hands in the same position any
captured suspect would be put into...it looked more like a mass
arrest than a 'rescue'...

I wonder how many of those kids running in the posture of prisoners
just happened to have seen the 3rd gunman...


June


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Re: [CTRL] War Stars

[Howard R. Davis III]

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Robert Tatman wrote:

snip

 This is an excellent and rather terrifying book. It appeals to both the
 science-fiction fan and the student of war, and it includes a lot of material
 on the personalities involved in the weapons game--including Thomas Alva
 Edison, "the Great Inventor," whose greatest invention was...himself, or
 rather his public image. It also does a lot to explain why Reagan bought into
 the "Strategic Defense Initiative" (High Frontier/Star Wars) scheme. *And* it
 is a damn good read into the bargain!

 Bob


I don't recall any of Edison's inventions as being anything like a super
weapon. He did work on batteries for subs during WW1 and was head of a
group of inventors that were to work for the war effort. Tesla was
certainly a more likely candidate for an inventor whose greatest
invention was himself. Every year he would meet with the press and tell
them of the great inventions he was working on. But after some
successful early work, nothing came out but hot air. Most relevant to
the above book was his (1935) defensive beam which he claimed would stop
all invaders whether by land, air or sea. Did he really have it? No one
knows. But it seems that if he had really had it he might have gotten it
into the hands of the Yugoslav government. He had relatives in the
government of Yugoslavia and so he had the connections. And, he was
revered there, so they would probably have spent the funds for
development. But when the Germans bombed Belgrade in 1941 there was no
Tesla death ray to stop them.

Howard Davis

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[CTRL] COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL MASSACRE: DETAILS ANALYSIS QUESTIONs

[Lloyd Miller]

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 2:05 PM
Subject: DENVER MASSACRE DETAILS ANALYSIS  QUESTIONs

COMMUNIQUE  #2118
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COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL MASSACRE:

This much we APPEAR to know:

The 2 dead suspects HARRIS, and KLEBOLD were said and appear to
have been:

1. HOMOSEXUAL/NAZI/SATANIST/ANARCHIST/WHITE SUPREMIST
[see: http://home.earthlink.net/~lively/pinkswastika]
2. PLAYED Dungeon  Dragons [dark role playing game]
3. Wore SWASTIKA's  CONFEDERATE FLAG PATCHES
4. Were members of a larger group [at least 12]
5. Celebrated HITLER's Birthday (April 20th)
6. Targeted Americans of African descent
7. Targeted Atheltes in general
8. Photos of suspects show them to be clean cut
9. Photos show them to be good looking boys

See their photos at:

http://www.cnn.com/US/9904/21/school.shooting.02/top.suspects.injured.jpg
Investigate Kevin Abrams' online book on HOMOSEXUAL NAZIs "The PINK
SWASTIKA"
[at: http://home.earthlink.net/~lively/pinkswastika]

QUESTIONS:

1. Where did suspect #3 go ?
2. WHO "introduced" these two boys to HOMOSEXUALITY ?
3. Did the 2 dead suspects really kill themselves ?
4. Why no mention of the suspects being HOMOSEXUALITY ?
5. Why no mention of HATE CRIME ?
6. Why no mention that this school was an intensive OBE site ?
7. What about the rest of the group of at least 12 ?
8. What adults were involved with this group ?
9. Why did it take over 6 hours for police to enter the BLDG
10. Who planted the huge number of bombs.
11. Why did  the SWAT/ATF? personnel let the injured boy
climbing out of the broken window land on his head ! [see below]
12. What drugs were involved ? Psychiatry ?
13. Why did members of the group refer to it as the GAY ALAMO ?
14. How was Australian Proft Holmes able to predict this in 11/25/98

Followup questions based on above questions:

Q1: All reports, [I have it on tape] showed 3 suspects, and the
3rd suspect described by students as an adult, shooting a gun,
was arrested.  The Washington Post reports this morning 3
suspects.  Where is this 3rd suspect now ?  Did he kill the
other two suspects ?

Q2: Who "INITIATED" the two dead suspects to HOMOSEXUALITY ?
Research shows that almost all homosexuals were molested as
children themselves and bear tremendous pain/wounds inside.
Research also shows that victims of PEDOPHILIA are ideal
candidates for MIND CONTROL. Pedophilia victims exhibit a
phenomenom known as MPD, MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDER, and are
very good at compartmentalizing, have extremely high visual
acuity, and intelligence, yet can be commandiered also via one
or several of their multiple personalities. MPD is not unlike a
fractured soul.  CIA via TAVISTOK and other BRITISH INTELLIGENCE
projects has dabbled heavily in turning people especially MPDs
into killing machines.

Q7-8: What about the rest of the group of at least 12, several of
whom tried to enter the school after the seige began, and others
of whom vary in age, what adults were involved, was this group
infiltrated or even started by a national satanist/masonic/govco
black ops/MOSSAD/ADL/NAMBLA/CIA group for future HEGALISM problem
reaction solution scenario fabrication purposes ?  When did this
group begin ?  How did it lure 2 seemingly good looking and
bright [their photos reveal this] boys into their group and once
lured how were they "INTRODUCED" to HOMOSEXUALITY/PEDOPHILIA, if
this is what happened ? Who encouraged them to go from playing
DD to being HOMOSEXUAL or reverse order ? or what waws the
chronology of events, who was behind the scenes ?

Q9: NOTE: HIGHLY SPECULATIVE: Was the third gunman really a
government provocatuer ? Early reports said that the suspects
were wearing black masks, could it be that this massacre was
being done by masked agents who acted as members of the group to
pin it on them and then they simply acted like police and left
the scene after killing the dead suspects ? Why so long before
official response took place?  i.e. maybe the group really just
intended to do some pranks, and agents who had infiltrated the
group used this as an opportunity to stage this massacre for
real, as a dark manipulation to desensitize, confuse and sow
discord. It is not as if the USA is against killing, as it
promotes killing of babies, encourages homosexuality which leads
to premature death [average livespan of homosexual men is 38
years !], USA has killed at least 1 million innocents in IRAQ,
many innocents in JAPAN, is killing innocents as we speak in
YUGOSLAVIA via an unrelenting carpet bombing of civilians. Evil
usually knows no bounds. Point is there was no OFFICIAL response
in the building for over 6 hours making it possible that
something was going on inside that we, and even the official
local police may not be aware of, i.e.  what federal presense
was there, who controlled the scene, because the Sheriff who
spoke most often with reporters had very little knowledge and
was often 

Re: [CTRL] Raison detre ?

[Kevin]

 -Caveat Lector-

  I heard they just happen to have a concealed weapons bill on the upcoming
ballot. Should make for lively T.V. Bet the news media is salivating

Kevin

Das GOAT wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 DENVER, April 21 (UPI S) _ The National Rifle Association will hold its
 annual convention in Denver starting on April 30, just 10 days after
 heavily armed teenagers carried out an indiscriminate massacre at a
 suburban high school. Some 22,000 NRA members expected to attend the
 three-day meeting face yet another argument for gun control, which the
 group passionately opposes.

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Re: [CTRL] Kenn Thomas on Art Bell

[Thomas, Kenneth F.]

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Guy Bannister? Same name as the former ex-FBI SAC whi was running the
anti-Castro Cubans out of Camp Street? Recovered a 30 inch disk in the
northwest in '47? Played by Ed Asner in the Oliver Stone movie?

A coincidence?

kt

-Original Message-
From: Don Allen
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 4/21/99 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Kenn Thomas on Art Bell

 -Caveat Lector-

At 09:31 PM 4/20/99 -0500, Kenn Thomas wrote:
 -Caveat Lector-

Don:

I'm not actually on the show with Art, but his substitute Hillly Rose.
Put
me in
touch with Gary Aldrich.

Send email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Robin Rosen. Although he/she (hard to
tell the gender here) schedules interviews with Aldrich, they could
probably
tell you how to get on his radio show. Also Robin can be contacted at
703-758-0311, as well. Aldrich has a web page at
http://www.garyaldrich.com

His radio show can be found at:

http://www.talkspot.com/shows/Gary_Aldrich_Show/ - Weekdays 8 AM - 9 AM
PT

Aldrich was the FBI agent who blew the whistle on the sordid goings-on
of
the Clinton White House staff, in his book, "Unlimited Access". This was
one
of the few books that once I started, couldn't put down until I finished
it. A
complete
mindblower.

Aldrich recently had an interview with Guy Bannister, the ex-IRS CID
agent who
went
over the wall. Ve interesting.

Don


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Re: [CTRL] Serb Terrorists Attack School?

[Che]

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At 02:59 PM 4/20/99 -0500, Brian Redman wrote:
 -Caveat Lector-

Black trenchcoats? Grenade launcher? This sounds like
more than the average Manchurian candidate set loose.
Will the gunmen turn out to be "Serb terrorists"?

More likely they're the teen-age sons of staunch NRA members.

Che

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[CTRL] Arabiana: 04-21-99

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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From ArabicNews.CoM

 Moscow ready to resume Syrian - Israeli negotiations
Regional, Politics, 4/21/99

Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov sent a communique to Arab League
Secretary General Esmat Abdul Meguid, in which he informed the latter that
there is no choice left for ratifying peace in Middle East, unless the
Palestinian independent state is established, confirming Russia's
recognition of this state since the Palestinian National Council in Algeria
announced it in 1988, adding that there is an embassy for Palestine in
Moscow.

The Russian ambassador in Cairo, Vladimir Godaeiv, delivered this communique
to Abdul Meguid yesterday.

Following the meeting, Godaeiv said the communique has included the
developments in the situation in the Middle East during the approach of the
date of May 4, when the interim stage is to end and the Palestinian state is
to be established.

The Russian ambassador added that Ivanov confirmed in his communique that
delaying declaration of the Palestinian state is a possibility being
discussed currently by the Palestinians. He said Russia views it is better
that this step can be taken within the framework of Madrid formula, adding
that Russia is ready to implement any suggested ideas on the Syrian -
Israeli track to resume negotiations, confirming that Russia exerts its
utmost efforts to enhance the peace process in the Middle East.

Godaeiv also said in press statements yesterday, "We do not support the
arbitrary procedures currently taken against Kosovo's inhabitants and we see
it as necessary to stop such operations immediately."

He emphasized the importance of stopping the "brutal" military operations
made by countries of NATO against Yugoslavia, clarifying that the size of
human disaster became much wider after March 24, when the Western air
shelling started against Yugoslavia.

He said, "Continuing the air raids led to the tragedy in which people of
Kosovo currently live."

Regarding the Serbs' non-acceptance of conditions presented N.A.T.O for
stopping these attacks, the ambassador said, "All parties must agree on
these conditions -- Yugoslavia and the Western countries -- and all existing
issues must be peacefully solved, not by air raids."

He added, "The Kosovoans' legitimate rights must be respected, and people of
Kosovo must be granted the self-rule in one state which is Yugoslavia, and
refugees must return home."



 Israel build fortifications in Arnoun, aggression continues
Lebanon, Military, 4/21/99

Israeli occupation forces and the pro-Israeli Lahd militia have continued
building fortifications inside the town of Arnoun. News reports from south
Lebanon said the citizens of Arnoun are moving to the liberated area in
al-Nabatiyeh.

Moreover, Israeli forces on Tuesday morning and later Monday night bombarded
several towns adjacent to the occupied part of south Lebanon.

Lebanese security sources said the Israeli bombardment targeted al-Zahrani
river course and the outskirts of Arab Salim and the surrounding areas. In
retaliation, the Lebanese national resistance attacked Israeli positions.
Lebanese resistance sources said that one of its groups attacked the
occupation position in All al-Taher and that another resistance group
attacked the occupation position in al-Sweida. The sources said direct hits
were achieved in the two Israeli occupation positions. Further reports from
South Lebanon said the Lebanese national resistance at dawn Tuesday attacked
Israel's moves inside Beaufort castle position, which overlooks the village
of Arnoun. Lebanese resistance sources added it destroyed the western
fortifications of the occupation position in al-Sweida.

The sources added that resistance groups attacked on Monday night the
Israeli moves in the occupation position of Barachit and attacked Sujoud and
Balat positions. Direct hits were achieved.

In another development Israeli occupation forces and the Lahd militias
opened fire on a group of journalists who were covering the news of
occupying the village of Arnoun outside the barbed wires surrounding the
town. The Lebanese resistance sources said that the Lahd Militia men
insulted those journalists, withdrew the films from their cameras and warned
them and warned them of re-photographing the new Israeli positions
established in Arnoun.


Britain, France condemn Israel's reoccupation of Arnoun
Lebanon, Politics, 4/21/99

Britain has condemned Israeli forces' reoccupation of Arnoun. British
ambassador David Ross McLennan expressed his country's regret for the
Israeli occupation of Arnoun following his meeting with the Lebanese Foreign
Ministry's secretary general, Zafer al-Hassan, on Tuesday in Beirut.

Meanwhile, France has called for returning to the situation prior to April
15 in Arnoun The spokeswoman for the French Foreign Ministry said the April
Understanding committee called in its Tuesday meeting on all sides concerned
to take concrete steps to return the conditions in Arnoun to what had been

Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat and the Net

[Andrew Hennessey]

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The BBC reports that the Evil Internet had given these horrific
children their neo-nazi and terrorist ideas - they had aol web sites
with hate and pipe bombs on them.
Even Combat 18 and other nazi groups around the world can operate
in complete safety and security in the 'terrorists haven' of the
unregulated internet.says the BBC Recipes for bombs and murder are to
be found everywhere and the FBI cannot get past the encryption of these
dangerous and low profile terrorist cells.
It is being reported that the Nail Bomb incident in Londons Brixton area
last weekend would have been less likely to happen if there had been
tight controls on the internet.   [a complete fabrication !]
The Duke of Edinburgh was seen addressing Koreans yesterday about
the evils of the Internet on BBC news a place of pornography and evil.
When this carnage and outrage happened in Dunblane Scotland, the
strangely outlandish killer [with alleged masonic connections]
somehow enabled the entire United Kingdom to Ban All Guns.
Amidst allegations of Mind Control from the Conspiracy Community,
and the eagerness of the American Military to teach gun skills to
children [ref. The Interview thread  CTRL] it is horribly possible
that these children may have acquired their views on killing long
before they got to the Internet.
Is it not the case that a very large underground faclity is reported
in the Denver area amidst allegations of Black Ops  
In the UK - the opportunity to regulate and close the Internet has
been seized upon by the British media at this time.
Obviously the unregulated flow of International News which avoids
censorship is a slight concern to some profit margins.
Global 2000 education programmes have intended to put all schools
and young children on the net - but makeway for Oncoming Regulation
and Zoning ...

Andrew Hennessey
Transformation Studies Group
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[CTRL] Fwd: Toxic Deception

[Kris Millegan]

In case you have any illusions about Al Gore's principles when it comes to
protecting the public from corporate chemical predation, pick up and read
Toxic Deception: How the Chemical Industry Manipulates Science, Bends the
Law, and Endangers Your Health by Dan Fagin, Marianne Lavelle and the
Center for Public Integrity (Common Courage Press, 1999).

The book, first published in 1997, has a new afterword, starring Al Gore.

In 1996, Congress amended the federal pesticides laws with something
called the Food Quality Protection Act. It was an election year, and the
Republicans wanted to pass something that made them look a touch Green. To
spur them on, new studies emerged linking legal but toxic chemicals to
childhood illnesses and hormone disrupting effects.

The law called on the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to review all
of its regulated pesticides and take a fresh look at whether or not those
products have hormone-disrupting effects and whether they pose a special
risk to children.

Immediately after the law was passed, the chemical industry, led by the
Chemical Manufacturers Association and the American Crop Protection
Association (those good folks at the pesticide companies who bring you the
news on National "Public" Radio (NPR)), started whipping up anti-EPA
sentiment among farmers and small businessmen, and their legion of lawyers
and lobbyists began working pulling strings in Washington.

But in early 1998, a rumor began to spread in Washington that the EPA was
moving to restrict many of the organophosphate pesticides -- perhaps
including the wildly popular household insecticide chlorphyrifos (Dursban)
-- because of the risks they posed to children.

The industry cranked up its public relations machinery into high gear.
"The American Crop Protection Association used their web site and direct
mail to get thousands of farmers to write in to the EPA, and if farmers
didn't really know what to say in their letters, well the pesticide
industry was happy to supply the wording and to mail the letters, too,"
Fagin, the environment reporter for Newsday, told us recently.

Two farm belt Democrats -- Charles Stenholm of Texas and Marion Berry of
Arkansas -- visited  Vice President Gore to warn that he would face a
tough time in important farm states like Iowa, Texas, Florida and
California in the 2000 elections if the EPA moved against the
organophosphate pesticides it was considering banning.

"Soon after this visit, and after a lot of lobbying pressure from the
industry, Gore directly ordered the EPA to slow down its implementation of
these tougher pesticide standards that were required by the FQPA," Fagin
told us. "He also told the EPA to make a special effort to consider the
needs of agribusiness and the views of the U.S. Department of Agriculture.
A new advisory committee, which included many of the key chemical
manufacturers and their consultants, was set up to review implementation
of the new law. That committee is still meeting, and the EPA still hasn't
moved against organophosphates."

The guts of Toxic Deception shows that Al Gore is not exceptional in his
tendency to kowtow to the industry -- he's just part of a system of
lawmaking and policing that has been overwhelmed by a powerful industry
that has no match in Washington.

The authors looked at four heavily regulated chemicals -- alachlor,
atrazine, formaldehyde and perchloroethylene. They found that studies of
these chemicals funded by the chemical industry tended to find the
chemicals innocent, while studies financed by non-industry sources tended
to find the four chemicals to be dangerous to human health.

The authors reviewed 161 studies of the chemicals on file at the National
Library of Medicine and found that of 43 industry- funded studies, only
six returned results unfavorable to the chemicals. But in the 118 studies
conducted by non-industry researchers, 71 were unfavorable.

The chemical companies are required by federal law to make any scientific
findings available to the government if a chemical already on the market
is found to pose a "substantial risk of injury to health or to the
environment."

The authors found that the industry frequently acted in "bad faith" in
this regard. In 1991 and 1992, when the EPA offered amnesty from big-money
fines to any manufacturer that turned in health studies they should have
provided under the law earlier, manufacturers suddenly turned over more
than 10,000 studies showing that their products already on the market pose
a substantial risk, the authors reported.

Toxic Deception is also highly critical of the revolving door between the
EPA and the chemical industry. Of the 344 lobbyists and lawyers identified
as having worked from 1990 to 1995 for the chemical companies and trade
associations, at least 135 came from federal departments or agencies or
congressional offices.

In Washington, the chemical industry sets the agenda and has overpowered
the nation's system of safeguarding the 

[CTRL] Recolonisation of the Balkans

[Alamaine Ratliff]

 -Caveat Lector-

Note:  Reference to www.polyconomics.com is made in the following article;
memo(s) referred to are at the end. AER

From wsws.org

WSWS : News  Analysis : Europe : The Balkan Crisis

IMF "shock therapy" and the recolonisation of the Balkans
By Nick Beams
17 April 1999

During the Balkan Wars of 1912-13 Leon Trotsky wrote: "In politics as in
private life there is nothing cheaper than moralizing--nothing cheaper and
more useless. Many people, however, find it attractive because it saves them
from having to look into the objective mechanism of events."

In all the acres of print and millions of hours of television programming
devoted to the Balkan crisis, beginning with the dismemberment of the
Yugoslav federation in 1991, there has been virtually no coverage, much less
analysis, of its underlying causes.

The reasons for this silence are not hard to find, for such an analysis
reveals that behind the propaganda smokescreen of "humanitarian" concerns
for the fate of refugees and the victims of "ethnic cleansing," powerful
economic processes are driving the escalating military intervention of the
imperialist powers.

In his analysis of the November 1995 Dayton accord on Bosnia-Herzegovina,
the Canadian author Michel Chussodovsky noted: "[T]he break-up of the
Yugoslav federation bears a direct relationship to the program of
macro-economic restructuring imposed on the Belgrade government by its
external creditors. This program, adopted in several stages since 1980,
contributed to triggering the collapse of the national economy, leading to
the disintegration of the industrial sector and the piecemeal dismantling of
the welfare state. Secessionist tendencies, feeding on social and ethnic
divisions, gained impetus precisely during a period of brutal impoverishment
of the Yugoslav population."[1]

In her 1995 study of the Balkan crisis, carried out for the Brookings
Institute, Susan Woodward took issue with the Washington scenario, according
to which "rogue states" had emerged in the post-cold war world "headed by
'new Hitlers' such as Saddam Hussein in Iraq and Slobodan Milosevic, who
defied all norms of civilized behavior and had to be punished to protect
those norms and to protect innocent people."[2]

Neither was the break-up of Yugoslavia, she insisted, the result of the
springing to life of ethnic tensions and conflicts that had been held in a
kind of "deep freeze" during the previous 40 years.

Rather, the real origins of the breakdown of civil and political order lay
in the economic decline caused largely by the debt repayment program imposed
by the International Monetary Fund and other international financial
institutions.

"More than a decade of austerity and declining living standards corroded the
social fabric and the rights and securities that individuals and families
had come to rely on. Normal political conflicts over economic resources
between central and regional governments and over the economic and political
reforms of the debt-repayment package became constitutional conflicts and
then a crisis of the state itself among politicians who were unwilling to
compromise."[3]

The causal connection between the debt repayment program imposed by the IMF
and the break-up of Yugoslavia is also the subject of a recent posting on
the Polyconomics, Inc. web site (www.polyconomics.com) by the site's
director Jude Wanniski, a former associate editor of the Wall Street
Journal. Wanniski has forwarded a memo to US Secretary of State Madeleine
Albright consisting of a report prepared by the then Polyconomics staff
member Criton Zoakos in May 1993.

"In 1987," Zoakos wrote, "the old Yugoslavia, with all its tragic failings,
was still a functioning state. The International Monetary Fund then took
over economic policy, implementing a number of all too familiar shock
therapies: devaluation, a wage freeze, and price decontrol--designed on the
Harvard/MIT economic textbook principles meant to drive the wage rate down
to a level where it would be internationally competitive. As the economy
contracted from this shock, revenues to the central government declined,
triggering pressure from the IMF to raise taxes to balance the budget. ...

"These centrifugal forces began to tear apart at the federation, with the
richer provinces of Croatia and Slovenia objecting to being drained of
resources by the poorer provinces. Just as the USSR splintered as the IMF
browbeat the Gorbachev government into a ruble devaluation, Yugoslavia broke
into pieces as ethnic and religious rivalries were reasserted in an attempt
to control the rapidly shrinking pool of resources. ...

"When the IMF shock therapy hit Yugoslavia, the initial form of social
disorder was not ethnic friction but massive and repeated strikes and labor
actions. As late as 1988, an enterprising US journalist employed in Belgrade
had difficulty in finding ethnic passions and reported: ' "I would be a
Serb, a Bosnian, anything--an Uzbekistani--I'd make my 

[CTRL] Cult of the Flag (a peculiar kind of idolatry)

[philately]

 -Caveat Lector-

Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:44:29 EST, Kris Millegan wrote:

 an excerpt from:
 Blood Rites - Origins  History of the Passions of War
 Barbara Ehrenreich(C)1997
 Metropolitan Books
 Hennry Holt  Companty
 ISBN 0-8050-5077-9
 -
 I can not say enough about this book. These excerpts do it little justice. I
 strongly recommend reading this book.Well-written and thoughtful; when all is
 said and done, the veneer between passions, expectations, propaganda and
 thought can be very thin. There are chapters on the warrior elites, the
 sacralization of war, the effect of missle(guns/longbow) warfare and war
 worship. A very important book.

 Om
 K

[7] Blood Rites - Origins  History of the Passions of War
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind9902DL=ctrlP=R88571

snip

 American patriotism, like the nationalisms of other
 nations, is celebrated on special holidays, and these
 are, in most instances, dedicated to particular wars
 or the memory of war. The Fourth of July, Memorial Day,
 Flag Day, and Veterans Day all provide occasions for
 militaristic parades and the display of nationalistic
 emblems and symbols, especially the flag. On these and
 other occasions, such as commemorations of particular
 wars or battles, bugles are blown, wreaths are
 ceremoniously laid on monuments or graves, veterans
 dress up in their old uniforms, and politicians deliver
 speeches glorifying the nationalistic values of duty
 and "sacrifice." Through such rituals and observances
 of nationalism as a "secular religion," historian
 George L. Mosse has written, war is "made sacred."[42]

 But the "religion" of American patriotism is also
 distinctive in at least two ways. First, it features
 a peculiar kind of idolatry which can only be called
 a "cult of the flag."* {*Other comparable, English-
 speaking nations--the United Kingdom, Canada, and
 Australia--do not indulge in flag worship. According
 to the Wall Street Journal (Nov. 7, 1996), British
 efforts to create a mass market for Union Jacks have
 fallen flat: "Many don't like what it stands for.
 A fair number aren't sure when, or if, the law lets
 them unfurl it. Quite a few haven't the foggiest
 idea of which side of it is up."} Just as the wartime
 Japanese fetishized the emperor's portrait, Americans
 fetishize their flag. A patriotic pamphlet from 1900
 declared in unabashedly religious terms that the
 United States "must develop, define and protect
 the cult of her flag, and the symbol of that cult
 --the Star Spangled Banner-- must be kept inviolate
 as are the emblems of all religions."[43] Early
 twentieth-century leaders of the Daughters of the
 American Revolution held that "what the cross is
 to our church, the flag is to our country," and,
 in more overtly primitive terms, that the flag had
 been "made sacred and holy by bloody sacrifice".[16]

 The American flag can be found in almost every kind
 of public space, including churches, and it must be
 handled in carefully prescribed, ritual ways, down
 to the procedure for folding. It is "worshipped" by
 displaying it, by pledging allegiance to it, and,
 occasionally, by kneeling and kissing it.[45] It is
 the subject of our national anthem, which celebrates
 a military victory signaled by the survival, not of
 the American soldiers, but of the American flag, when

 the rockets' red glare,
 the bombs bursting in air,
 Gave proof thro' the night
 that our flag was still there.

 And anyone who still doubts that the American flag
 is an object of religious veneration need only consider
 the language of the proposed constitutional amendment,
 narrowly defeated in the Senate in 1995, forbidding
 the "desecration" of flags.

from:
http://www.sltrib.com/04201999/nation_w/99405.htm

Tuesday, April 20, 1999

  New Effort Unfurls Against Flag-Burning

   BY JOHN HEILPRIN
   THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE

  Sen. Orrin Hatch plans to stoke the embers of his
  crusade to ban flag-burning at a Senate Judiciary
  Committee hearing today.

  The Utah Republican, who chairs the committee, has
  pushed since 1994 for Congress to approve a constitutional
  amendment to prohibit desecration of the American flag.
  The states would need to ratify the amendment.

  Seven witnesses scheduled to speak at the hearing on
  S.J. Res. 14 include retired Army Maj. Gen. Patrick
  Brady, chairman of the Indianapolis-based Citizens
  Flag Alliance; fifth-grade teacher Maribeth Seely
  of Branchville, N.J.; and Harvard Law School professor
  Richard Parker.

  Protecting a patriotic symbol is the sort of issue
  that helps rally Hatch's conservative base. Last year,
  supporters in Illinois and Connecticut held rallies
  for the amendment over the Memorial Day weekend.

  But critics say amending the Constitution -- something
  that has been done only 17 times since the Bill of
  Rights was ratified more than two centuries ago --
  would needlessly endanger the First Amendment's
  free-speech protection.

  "It's nothing 

[CTRL] Fwd: They're on the Way...

[Kris Millegan]

Government Poll Confirms Mass Migration of Central Americans to U.S.;
200,000-Plus Figure Just the Start of 'Wave...


PRNewswire
20-APR-99





WASHINGTON, April 20 /PRNewswire/ -- Nearly 200,000 people have left Central
America in recent months for the United States and another 600,000 will soon
be on their way, according to polling data recently released by the U.S.
Information Agency (USIA). 

One hundred thousand Hondurans -- 3.5 percent of that country's population --
have fled since the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Mitch. Twice as many
Hondurans are thinking of leaving the country in the next month or so, the
data indicate. 

"An exodus from Central America of this magnitude rivals the crisis in Europe
triggered by the ethnic cleansing campaign in Kosovo," suggested Dan Stein,
Executive Director of the Washington D.C.-based Federation for American
Immigration Reform (FAIR). "Not only is this the single largest wave of
humanity ever to come to America illegally, but many will stay here
permanently," he added, noting that the USIA poll found a majority of the
respondents planned on staying in the U.S. for years, not months. Stein
emphasized that hundreds of thousands of permanently relocated and poorly
educated Central Americans will have a "devastating" impact on the job
prospects of poor native Americans. 

In response to the devastating hurricane, the Clinton administration last
December granted Temporary Protected Status (TPS) to 150,000 Central Americans
already residing in the U.S. FAIR noted at the time that TPS awards are
frequently misconstrued by others as an invitation to emigrate to the U.S. The
USIA data note that many Hondurans who plan to leave the country soon believe
that the United States is currently allowing many Hondurans to remain in the
U.S without proper documentation. 

"What was promoted as a 'temporary' response to a crisis situation in Central
America is about to turn into a permanent population transfer," Stein claimed.
"This is proof once again that the only kind of disaster assistance that
achieves its goals is the kind that helps people rebuild in their country," he
added. 

The study also noted that half of Central Americans with plans to leave had
been thinking of emigrating to the United States even before the arrival of
Hurricane Mitch. Central America has sent a steady wave of asylum seekers to
the U.S. this decade, with more than 400,000 claims being made between 1990
and 1996. 

"This exodus is sure to lead to amnesty demands for illegal aliens and trigger
new waves of family-related migration," said Stein. In the long run, he added,
the migration is likely "to cripple" the economies of those countries
permanently. The study claimed that Honduras could lose nearly 10 percent of
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[CTRL] Police Comb Through Colorado School After Rampage

[Steve Wingate]

 -Caveat Lector-

"The attack was likely to renew the debate on gun control. The Colorado
legislature has been debating whether to allow more concealed weapons
permits, arousing criticism from gun control advocates. The legislature
adjourned Wednesday after holding a moment of silence. "

 Wednesday April 21 3:19 PM ET

Police Comb Through Colorado School After Rampage

By Judith Crosson

LITTLETON, Colo. (Reuters) - Police bomb experts Wednesday
discovered 30 incendiary devices planted in or near a high school where
two teenage gunmen mowed down 13 people before killing themselves in
the worst school massacre in U.S. history.

Jefferson County Sheriff's Office spokesman Steve Davis said SWAT
teams found the 30 devices mostly in Columbine High School, but also in
two cars parked outside the school and at the gunmen's homes.

By morning, authorities lowered their estimated number of dead in
Tuesday's bloody rampage from about 25 to a firm 15, although the death
toll could rise as several of the 28 injured in the attack were in critical
condition.

Davis said of the 15 dead, 11 were males and four females and there was
one adult among them, probably a teacher.

Some of the victims' bodies were found under desks and cubicles,
indicating they may have been trying to hide or run for their lives.

The sheriff's office said 12 bodies -- nine boys and three girls -- were in the
library, one adult male body was outside the library and two or three bodies
were outside the school.

During the siege students dropped their backpacks as they ran out of the
building to safety, leaving police with the task of searching any belongings
left in the library where most of the shooting took place.

Students said the gunmen targeted athletes and minorities.

Davis said police had still not been able to determine the motive and that
the two gunmen -- both high school seniors -- did not leave a suicide note.

But acquaintances of the two suspects, identified as Dylan Klebold and
Eric Harris, both 18, said they were members of an outcast group called
the ``Trench Coat Mafia,'' whose members paraded around the school
dressed in long black coats.

The acquaintances said the two were ``smart'' but liked to talk a lot about
guns and violence and shared a hatred of athletes who made fun of them

Researchers at the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Center said
they downloaded an Internet file belonging to Harris in which he talked
about how easy it was to make pipe bombs, saying, ``Pipes are about as
easy to purchase as a CD.'' The file went into elaborate details on how to
make the bombs and what kind of powder to use.

Police searched the two youths' homes and were reported to have found
bomb-making materials at one. Police were seen carrying out bags of
computer equipment and books from Harris' home.

The attack was by far the worst in a spate of school shootings that have
shocked Americans over the past 18 months. It was also one of the
bloodiest mass shootings of any kind in a country where gun control efforts
have been hotly debated.

Before Tuesday, the worst school shooting in the United States took place
in March 1998 in Jonesboro, Arkansas, when two boys, aged 11 and 13,
shot and killed a teacher and four girls. That was one of a series of
incidents at U.S. schools in which at least 14 people were killed and more
than 40 wounded in less than two years.

Students who lived through the nightmare found it difficult to sleep last night
amid memories of the attack. Josh Lapp said he was afraid to be alone in
the dark. ``I was like a little kid again,'' he said.

Littleton, a quiet, middle and upper middle class community of 65,000,
south of Denver, remained in shock. A resident, Dorian Richards, pinned a
note to a tree that summed up the feelings of many.

``I grew up around Columbine High School and I can say back then the
biggest scare was getting bit by a prairie dog. Times have changed.''

The shooting scene remained one of chaos. Officials were unable to enter
the school because of fears that bombs would detonate. Robots with
cameras were used to search the building and the bodies of the dead
remained inside for part of the day until the planted bombs were removed
from the school.

``Right now, safety is the big concern,'' Davis said.

The danger of the booby traps was brought home when one previously
undiscovered device exploded late Tuesday -- hours after the slayings.

The homemade devices included highly lethal pipe bombs, propane-fueled
shrapnel explosives and plastic containers filled with gasoline and soap,
the sheriff said. Some were found near the bodies of the two suspects and
others elsewhere in the school and in cars in its parking lot.

The attack was likely to renew the debate on gun control. The Colorado
legislature has been debating whether to allow more concealed weapons
permits, arousing criticism from gun control advocates. The legislature
adjourned Wednesday after holding a moment of silence.

U.S. 

[CTRL] Fwd: Day 29, Update 1 (Apr. 21; 1:30PM EDT) - A Special TiM GW Bulletin on NATO's War on Serbia

[Kris Millegan]

FROM PHOENIX, ARIZONA

The Special "Kosovo Crisis" Truth in Media Global Watch Bulletins, such as
the one enclosed below, can also be accessed at our Web site:
www.truthinmedia.org which is being updated throughout the day.

DAY 29, Update 1
---
Apr. 21, 1999; 1:30PM EDT

HEADLINES

Phoenix  1. Back Home! A Notice to TiM Readers

Belgrade 2. NATO Madness: Attacking Media and Office
   Buildings to Get at Milosevic!?

Belgrade 3. Serb TV HQ Next Target? Journalists as "Human Shield"

Novi Sad4. The Third Bridge Attacked: NATO to Sever Vojvodina
from Serbia?

Phoenix  5. Why Do the Serbs Not Show More Photos of NATO Losses?
   Tape of Sunday's NATO Plane's Shootdown Now
Available

--

1. Back Home! A Notice to TiM Readers

PHOENIX, Apr. 21 - Your editor is back home again, after a grueling, but
otherwise fairly uneventful, 35-hour Belgrade-Phoenix trip.  One of these
days, when and if the war subsides, we may bring you some human
interest-type travel vignettes from this journey.  Meanwhile, back to
reporting and analysis of NATO's war against Serbia...

But first, a notice to TiM readers.  We have told you before that our Web
site (www.truthinmedia.org) has been deluged by millions of hits from 80
countries around the world just during the first half of April.  To
accommodate such an enormous surge in demand, we are having to move our Web
site to a faster server (computer).  This work is in progress as we write.

While the transfer is being done, TiM readers will NOT experience any
difficulties in accessing our Web site, except for the SEARCH function,
which will not be available for a few hours.  But until the move is
completed, we at TiM will not be able to update our Web page with any new
information.  Which means that for the next day or so, the Special TiM GW
Bulletins will be send out only by e-mail.  Thank you for your patience
while we upgrade so as to serve you better.

Also, since the faster server (computer) will mean considerable new
expenses for our non-profit organization, we would appreciate additional
donations from our readers.  Just send your checks or money order to the
TiM address shown at our Web site. Thank you.


2. NATO Madness: Attacking Media and Office Buildings to Get at Milosevic!?

BELGRADE, Apr. 21 - The NATO madmen are getting personal.  And killing the
TV relays and an 18-story office tower supposedly to get at Slobodan
Milosevic!?

In the early hours of the morning, several cruise missiles hit the 18-story
"Usce" ("Confluence") office tower in New Belgrade, across the river Sava
from downtown Belgrade.  And NATO also destroyed the Iriski Venac TV relay
on Mt. Fruska Gora, depriving Serbia's second largest city, Novi Sad, and
much of its northern province of Vojvodina, of TV reception.

That's like hitting the Rockefeller Center in New York with cruise
missiles, because that's where NBC HQ is, one of many U.S. establishment
networks which is a part of Clinton's "lie and deny" PR factory.  And
taking out TV relays around New York City, so as to cut of the rest of the
eastern states from the New York-based programming.

Mad?  It's worse than mad.  Eyewitness reports from Belgrade suggest that
there were numerous human casualties as a result of NATO's attack on the
"Usce" office tower.  Several missiles reportedly hit the top and bottom
stories of the building.

"I am looking right now at the burning building from my balcony," a TiM
Belgrade source reported at 3:31AM local time.  "Top and bottom floors of
the building are on fire.  But office lights are still on in the middle
section.  Flames are spreading from the bottom floors upward.  I don't
think the people trapped in the mid-section could be saved even if
helicopters were to come to their aid."
---
TiM Ed.: Anyone trying to imagine what it was like to be a journalist or a
worker on a night shift trapped in the mid-section of the "Usce" building,
should see again the 1970s film, "Inferno."  Except that in this case, the
fire was no accident.  Thus the title of this real life horror story is,
"Murder by NATO Pyromaniacs."


3. Serb TV HQ Next Target?  Journalists as "Human Shield"

BELGRADE, Apr. 21 - We've just been advised from Belgrade that NATO has
signaled that its next target may be the Serb TV headquarters - by advising
the foreign journalists to leave the SerbTV premises.  Like NBC's HQ at the
Rockefeller Center, the Serb TV offices are in the heart of downtown,
surrounded by residential and other office buildings.
The Yugoslav federal minister for information, Goran Matic, led a group of
100 domestic and foreign journalists last night on a tour of Serb TV
buildings, so as to show them its purely civilian nature.  A number of
foreign correspondents reportedly decided to stay at the Serb TV building
as another "human shield" against 

[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Sherman Skolnick Sounds Off!

[Kris Millegan]

Please send as far and wide as possible.

Thanks,

Robert Sterling
Editor, The Konformist
http://www.konformist.com
http://www.konformist.com/skolnick/skolnick.htm
http://www.konformist.com/skolnick/ss041399.htm
http://www.konformist.com/skolnick/ss041599.htm
http://www.konformist.com/skolnick/ss041699a.htm
http://www.konformist.com/skolnick/ss041699a.htm

Sherman Skolnick Sounds Off!

Sherman H. Skolnick
Recorded phone message: (773) 731-1100
Office, 8 A.M. to midnight, 7 days: (773) 375-5741
9800 So. Oglesby Ave., Chicago IL 60617-4870

04-13-1999
Summary of Kosovo Stories
By Sherman H. Skolnick
Producer/Moderator, Public Access Cable TV Program "Broadsides"
Since 1963, Founder/Chairman, Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts

(1) Kosovo Liberation Army are the major drug-lords in Europe, trafficking in
narcotics from S.W. China, "China White", high purity heroin flooding Italy,
rest of Europe, Germany (where KLA reportedly originally from) and New York
and Chicago. Herr Clinton, no stranger himself to druglords, is protecting
KLA druglords!

(2) Oil discovered offshore in Adriatic, claimed separately and/or jointly by
Rockefeller family, British Petroleum Co., the Vatican, Italy, Croatia, and
Serbia, among others.  Rockefellers and British Pete want to delay drilling
to keep this large pool of oil, bigger than under Saudi, off the market to
keep up oil prices.

(3) Serbia reportedly has long-range missiles, left to them by their former
patrons (the Soviets) -- now get this -- capable of reaching Washington, D.C.
 Fair is fair, right?  If, without a declaration of war we can bomb Belgrade
near a hospital, surely they have the "right" to missile attack the U.S.
Capitol.  I take no delight or satisfaction as an American knowing this.  I
am not the only American appalled at our slide toward the dogs of war.


(4) Federal agents, acting like the Nazi Gestapo, are apparently grabbing and
detaining Serbs living quietly in the U.S. as resident aliens. That is, Serbs
with  "green cards".  So far, no witness is ready to testify how these people
are disappearing.  Note:  federal agencies transfer "prisoners" (legal or
otherwise) through the underground facilities at the airport at Oklahoma City
and several other locations including Denver. Are the green card Serbs being
deported?  Or sent to detention camps such as the one offshore Alaska,
confirmed to me when I was on an Anchorage radio talk show with some of the
construction workers who were high paid to build these camps offshore Alaska.
Activists with some of the Serb organizations in Chicago have confirmed to me
that something like this is happening. Of course, the monopoly press is
silent on such matters.


(5) Herr Clinton has numerous motives to divert attention with war or
war-scares.  He and the First Lady are facing federal criminal charges for
embezzling 47 million dollars from Madison Guaranty Savings  Loan of Little
Rock, owned by Susan McDougal's ex-husband Jim who apparently was murdered in
prison the night before he was to testify about related matters.

(6) Clinton and the First Lady are implicated in laundering hundreds of
millions of dollars of dope funds disguised as currency and soybeans deals
through the Chicago markets:  The Chicago Board of Trade, the Chicago
Mercantile Exchange, and the Chicago Board Options Exchange.

Stay tuned.


04-15-1999
The Chinese Secret Police in the UNITED STATES
By Sherman H. Skolnick
Producer/Moderator, Public Access Cable TV Program "Broadsides"
Since 1963, Founder/Chairman, Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts

This is a story about the Chinese Secret Police in the UNITED STATES.  When
the Korean War ended, 1953, the U.S. made a peace accord with North Korea.
There were no surrender terms, however, apparently with mainland China which
had intervened in that war.

The Chinese Secret Police had a score to settle with the U.S.  The Beijing
Government was disgruntled in that the U.S. Military, under Gen. Douglas
MacArthur had caused Red China to intervene in the war by the U.S. troops
going into North Korea up to the Yalu River, the North Korea/Red China
boundary line. Result: waves of Red Chinese troops attacked the U.S. troops
with huge casualties on both sides. Here is what happened, with a background.



The Chinese Secret Police have a long history, going back to 550 B.C. By the
20th Century they were called Te-Wu, and they use a clandestine dialect
almost impossible even for professionals to get into and understand. With
only one exception, there have been no defectors to the Westso the CIA
and FBI have been stymied on how to deal with them.

U.S. espionage experts left over from World War 2---then called OSS, and
supposedly out of service---quietly were used by the then-young CIA to track
Te-Wu here. By 1956, the Chinese Secret Service made a massive effort to
infiltrate the U.S.

What were the Chinese doing here? They were suspected of strange bombings and
murders---an on-going 

[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: The Judi Bari Bombing: Flatland Responds To Michael Sweeney

[Kris Millegan]

Please send as far and wide as possible.

Thanks,

Robert Sterling
Editor, The Konformist
http://www.konformist.com
http://www.konformist.com/1999/jbarib.htm

Date:   Tuesday, April 20, 1999 05:59:59 AM
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To the editor:

Another look at Sweeney's web page, titled "My answer to the bizarre
'Flatland' claims about the Judi Bari bombing. Alien abductions,
pseudo-science and an old political feud." (http://www.saber.net/~sweeney/)

Sweeney begins with a predictably snide comment about the alleged
credibility of Flatland. "Leading the campaign is an obscure one-man
magazine, Flatland, which says it specializes in books on 'alien abductions,
UFOs, fringe science and conspiracy theories.' I've never been abducted by
aliens myself, but now I know what it must feel like," Sweeney writes.

Sweeney quotes me here, but falsely.  The only book about alien abduction in
Flatland's list is  _Abduction_ by Harvard Professor John Mack, founder of
Cambridge Hospital's Psychiatric Unit. He's a man of subtantial real-life
achievement who tackled an unusual, difficult subject, so it's a natural
choice for a Flatland listing.

Having dispensed with Mendocino "craziness," Sweeney has bigger fish to fry.
He doesn't refute any of the evidence presented by Ed Gerhman. He spends the
bulk of his complaint attacking the credibility of an expert witness in a
trial that hasn't happened yet: Don Foster, the country's leading
attributional scholar.

So Sweeney dredges up old quarrels by Shakespearian scholars with a bone to
pick with Foster. In that effort, Sweeney cites Stephanie Caruana ("Funeral
Elegy Update" at http://www.everreader.com/elegyupd.htm) as an authoritative
reference on Shakespeare.

Caruana is a former editor of _Playgirl_ magazine, but she's best known
as the author of "The Skeleton Key to the Gemstone File," a veritable
touchstone of JFK conspiracy literature. Variants of the Gemstone Files were
circulated hand-to-hand throughout the late seventies, eventually being
published in Larry Flynt's _Hustler_ magazine.

The "Gemstone File" is Caruana's synopsis of 1,000 pages of allegatations by
a San Franciscan, Bruce Roberts, who claimed to have invented the synthetic
rubies that gave birth to laser technology. (Thus, the monikker,
"Gemstone.") Roberts, via Caruana, claimed that his invention was stolen by
Hughes Aircraft. Then Aristotle Onassis kidnapped Howard Hughes, replaced
him with a "double" and spirited Hughes to a Greek island. Later, Onassis
ordered the hit on JFK. I'm simplifying here, but you get the idea: the
Caruana/Roberts material is controversial.

I don't dismiss Stephanie Caruana's article about Foster on the basis that
she is a conspiracy researcher, but it is hypocritical of Sweeney to cite
Caruana as an authority, while ridiculing Flatland for selling books like
hers. Sweeney has cited Stephanie Caruana, one of the world's more famous
conspiracy-theorists, as a major source on Shakespeare.

I've never been abducted by Aristotle Onassis and taken to a Greek island,
nor do I know "what it must feel like."

No less than five books are in print on the Gemstone Files. The newest one
will be Kenn Thomas' forthcoming book from Adventures Unlimited Press.
Caruana and the late, grand dame of conspiracy research, Mae Brussell,
co-authored an article called "Is Howard Hughes Dead and Buried Off a Greek
Island?" in Playgirl (December, 1974), and also "Is 'Cinque' the First Black
Lee Harvey Oswald?" (Berkeley Barb, 1974).

Of course this has nothing to do with identifying Judi's bomber. Learning
Sweeney's actual whereabouts on May 23, 1990, could help.


-Jim Martin
Flatland


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from  Konformist: The Colorado Massacre;
http://www.konformist.com:
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As always, Caveat Lector.
Om
K
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Shades of James Shelby Downard
Edwin Johnston ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Yesterday Bill Klinton was scheduled to fly out of the District of COLUMBia
to attend some fund-raisers in Texas. This evening he was to attend a dinner
at the COLOMBe d'Or Hotel and Restaurant (around the block from my place),
but changed plans so he could commiserate with the people suffering from the
shootings at COLUMBine High School near Denver that occurred on the
anniversary of Adolf Hitler's birthday.

COLUMB/COLOMB in this sense refers to a DOVE, originally "gray bird" with
it's roots in the word black. This is the symbol of peace generally and the
goddess Aphrodite. Curiously, a COLUMBarium is a vault with niches for urns
containing the ashes of cremated bodies. As well, Saint COLUMBa, the holy
dove is the "maiden martyr" COLUMBa of Sens, or in Celtic myth, COLOMBe, who
mated with Lancelot as a lightning bolt, the Phallus of Heaven.
-
Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
Kris

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  But this time, the police are fighting back. They
 version. indicted Hyde on a wiretapping statute, alleging that he
  illegally violated the officers' privacy.

  ''Police officers have the same rights as other
  citizens,'' insisted Plymouth County prosecutor Paul
  Dawley, stating that, if the tables were turned and a
  police officer were caught taping someone without
  permission, people would be outraged.
  

This is a real bunch of bullshit.  These police were acting in the public
interest, supposedly.  Their actions should hold up to scrutiny, and what
about the dashboard mounted video cameras in patrol cars, aren't they
violating MY rights of privacy?
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[CTRL] Congress Reacts to School Shootings

[Mike Moxley]

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Congress Reacts to School Shootings

By DARLENE SUPERVILLE Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) — Lawmakers reacted Wednesday to the Colorado shootings by
dusting off stalled proposals for improved school security and urging
passage of tougher gun control laws. Some members of Congress are seeking a
``national dialogue'' on school violence and asking for more prayer in
schools.

``We should not wait for another incident to happen before we take some
action,'' said Sen. Jeff Bingaman, D-N.M.

He is sponsoring a bill that would set aside $10 million so schools could
benefit from security measures developed at the Energy Department's Sandia
National Laboratories in New Mexico. Examples include electronic
identification cards for students, instant drug detection equipment and
mechanisms to prevent false fire alarms.

Bingaman said an Albuquerque, N.M., high school participating in a pilot
project with the lab has seen dramatic declines in violent, property and
other crimes since 1997.

Fifteen people were killed Tuesday in the shootings at a high school in the
Denver suburb of Littleton.

The killings prompted gun control advocates to renew calls for stricter gun
laws.

``A teen-ager can only do so much damage with his fists,'' said Sen.
Charles Schumer, D-N.Y.

But Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga., the National Rifle Association's chief advocate
in Congress, said the problems that create ``young demons'' like the
Colorado shooters ``go far deeper'' than access to guns.

He said Congress and the president only can do so much. ``The solution's
going to have to come from our schools,'' Barr said.

John Czwartacki, spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss.,
noted Congress had set aside $60 million last year for a program to station
police officers in schools.

Sen. Jim Jeffords, R-Vt., chairman of the Health, Education, Labor and
Pensions Committee, plans to go ahead with school safety hearings that
already had been scheduled for May.

One colleague, GOP Sen. John Ashcroft of Missouri, said Congress must
re-examine federal laws that interfere with a school's ability to prevent
such incidents.

Another lawmaker, Rep. Jennifer Dunn, R-Wash., urged consideration of her
proposal encouraging states to detain juveniles for at least 24 hours for
bringing guns to school.

But she, too, said a solution to the deadly combination of schools,
students and guns lies not with Congress. Parents must be more involved
with their children, she said.

``We need to talk to our children after they get home from school every
night, at the dinner table, on weekends to find out what they're thinking,
what they're feeling,'' Dunn said.

Others called for a national discussion of school violence.

``We need to sit down together, and soon, to begin a meaningful
conversation about the practical and concrete steps to be taken to prevent
these tragedies,'' said Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon, where a
16-year-old is accused of killing his parents and fatally shooting two
classmates at a high school in Springfield last May.

Added Rep. Tim Roemer, D-Ind.: ``Let us have and engage in a national
dialogue to stop this hatred and violence in our schools.''

From Rep. James Traficant Jr., D-Ohio, came a call for more prayer in
school. ``People who pray together are not likely ... to kill one
another,'' he said.

Also Wednesday, the shootings at Columbine High School led two Colorado
state lawmakers to withdraw gun proposals from the current legislative
calendar.

One measure, by Republican state Rep. Gary McPherson, would let state law
override local ordinances on gun control.

McPherson said he acted ``out of deference to the victims and their
families. Now is not the time to have this debate.''

The Colorado House's majority leader, GOP state Rep. Doug Dean, was
sponsoring a bill to simplify the issuance of permits for concealed
weapons.

Dean reported receiving calls at his Colorado Springs home, some of them
with ``veiled threats,'' after the Littleton shootings.

--
--
Maybe this disaster would have been cut short if all the adults in the
school had exercised their 2nd Amendment right and been armed.
It's not a gun problem, it's a moral problem.
Blame the idiots who took the standard "thou shalt not kill" out of the
schools and replaced it with the "do your own thing" standard.
The trenchcoat mafia kids were just doing their own thing, leave 'em alone.
Thank you, socialist bastards of America, you taught them well.
America, you're falling fast..
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And they came in, and possessed it; but they obeyed not thy voice,
neither walked in thy law; they have done nothing of all that thou
commandedst them to do: therefore thou hast caused all this evil to
come upon them:
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[CTRL] Dangerous Times Near (fwd)

[Brian Redman]

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DANGEROUS TIMES NEAR


(CNNS, 04/21/99) --  The  year  1999  is  bound  to see upheaval.
This, not necessarily due to any perceived Y2K threat,  but  more
due to a pervasive end-times psychology.

We live, as they say, in "interesting times."

The  weather  is  going  to  get  hotter.   Predictions abound on
Internet, but common sense will  tell  you that, yes, the weather
is going to get hotter.

Flash News:  Not all Americans have  air  conditioning  in  their
homes.  That is a hard concept for some Americans to grasp.  THEY
have  air conditioning  so,  *ipso  facto*,  all  others have air
conditioning.

This news service originates from  a TOWN THAT TIME FORGOT.  This
editor feels he ought to make local observations before all  Hell
breaks  loose.   You  may  have  seen the movie, "Groundhog Day,"
starring Bill Murray.  In that film, Murray enters a sort of time
warp, where a  Pennsylvania  town  he's  entered does not proceed
through normal "time" sequences.  Instead, Murray  finds  himself
in  a town which does not age; a town seemingly unaffected by the
progression of world events.

Such a town is Champaign, Illinois.

Example:  The University library here, through much of the 1990s,
had  no  magnetic  detectors  to  stop any potential thieves from
helping  themselves  to  available   books.   In  this  heartland
community, it was just unthinkable that  "bad  guys"  could  make
their  way  hitherward.   Remember:   this  situation  was extant
through much of the  1990s.   If  you  yourself are not living in
your own internal "time," where past and future  have  ceased  to
exist,  then  you can see that Champaign, Illinois lives in a Rod
Serling "Twilight Zone" episode, where a John Phillips Sousa band
yet plays melodies in the park on Saturday evenings.

Example:  Normal transportation here  is  by  bicycle.  I do mean
normal.  International readers of Conspiracy  Nation,  living  in
high density areas, will struggle to grasp the concept of a small
city,  in  the  midst of prairie-land, where unhurried life pokes
along, peddling a bicycle in low-gear.

These  examples  (above)   are   symbolic   of  the  intellectual
environment from which originate the speed-of-light, leading-edge
transmittals of the Conspiracy Nation News Service  (CNNS).   But
such  a poke-along environment is what this editor is up against,
not just here but throughout  the current USA mass consciousness.
Details cited above of the Champaign,  Illinois  LAND  THAT  TIME
FORGOT  probably  appear  hyperbolic to the typical, current, USA
mass consciousness.  But they are, by means of extreme context, a
wake-up call to you, dear reader.  Yes, this low-gear environment
is an  odd  juxtaposition  to  you,  living  in your (relatively)
"advanced" circumstances.  But can you see that  you,  also,  are
living  in  your  own  somewhat  backward  land?  Can you please,
please see that you too live  in a somewhat poke-along world, and
that world events are about to make a loud KNOCK, KNOCK, KNOCK on
your door?

BLOOD HAS BEEN SPILLED.  Violence against  Yugoslavia  serves  to
protect  America *from its own violence*.  [1] But violence, left
unappeased, "will accumulate  until  it  overflows its confines."
[2].  That is why, for the moment, we can thank our  lucky  stars
that the 15 dead Columbine High School bodies have atoned for USA
violence  against Yugoslavia.  Their sacrifice redirects violence
into "proper" channels.  [3]

BLOOD HAS BEEN  SPILLED.   In "primitive" societies, menstruating
women are segregated  from  the  community.   Menstruating  women
*bleed*.

  Most  primitive  peoples  take  the  utmost  care  to avoid
  contact  with  blood.   Spilt  blood  of  any  origin... is
  considered impure...   When  men  are  enjoying  peace  and
  security,   blood  is  a  rare  sight.   When  violence  is
  unloosed, however, blood appears everywhere. [4]

There is unimaginable potency in spilled blood.  The  Bible  only
hints  at  this  potency when it states that spilled blood "cries
from  the  ground."Put   aside  materialist  conceptions  and
understand the vast occult magic unleashed when blood is spilled.

WHEN VIOLENCE IS UNLOOSED, BLOOD APPEARS EVERYWHERE.   The  local
Podunk  Junction  newspaper,  the  Champaign-Urbana News Gazette,
headlines today, "The Search For 'Why.'" It bemoans that there is
"no clear answer"  to  explain  the Littleton, Colorado massacre.
But there is a very obvious answer:  when violence  is  unloosed,
blood appears everywhere.

This news service is not optimistic.  Yet it dares  to  beg  you,
dear reader, to understand that "We've got trouble, right here in
River  City."  All Hell, we fear, is about to break loose.  It is
going to get HOT.  Please,  please  -- whether you believe in God
or not -- say a prayer that the now-insane leaders of the  United
States will be redeemed from their madness.

--- Notes ---

Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat

[Kevin]

 -Caveat Lector-


 In school today, I saw my peers laughing about the massacre which happened in
 Columbine yesterday.

 That shows how desensitized they have become courtesy of the best
brainwasher/programmer of all. T.V.

 Some were giggling and joking around, pointing at people
 who were wearing black, saying that they were members of the Trenchcoat
 Mafia.

That shows how well the social engineering works at making people fit into a
group. Then they make fun of
people being different.

 The people who were wearing black said nothing in reply to them, but
 I, one of them, was wearing black because of the deaths yesterday.

They could probably care less what other people think. Evidentially, the are
secure in who they are and don't
entertain the immature ramblings of others. You wore it for the right reasons.

 Society
 has raised a youth insensitive to horror, insensitive to each other, and far
 too familiar with ways of destruction.

It's part of a larger agenda. The Committee of 300/Ruling Elite/New World Order
needs to disarm the people
before they can take over.

 All my peers at school today-- the
 most they could say was, "gee, isn't that bad".. the next moment they were
 laughing and joking. I don't feel that they should have been outraged and
 sadden and stricken all day, but at least show a *little* compassion. My
 belief is that this generation now, mine, is too callous and most likely
 cannot be changed to be aware of the actuality of horror..

By the time they are 16, they have seen an average of 8,000 murders. When you
watch T.V., your eyes can't see
the flickering of the screen. This put your brain in Alpha waves. Everything you
see goes into your subconscious.
You might think you can discern right from wrong. Your frontal lobe need to be in
Beta for it to work. Read
instead.



   The latest trend is it not, to murder school kidsHalloween, was i
 designed to terrify little children and turn murderers and butchers against
 them?

 What are you talking about?

   And what about abortion; if a woman wants an abortion, do it quietly
 between the doctor and patientnow our children observe their mothers
 murdering their babies.   Arent we nice and setting nice examples...let alone
 Doctor Kovorkian, or whatever his name is.   He is where he belongs; they
 should put him on death role to assist those condemned to die, in a more
 humane manner


People on death row need no sympathy. Unless they were set up by 'someone'
and are going to die innocently. It happened before and will happen again. Unless
we somehow figure out how to revamp the legal system so not outside influence
is allowed.


 Jesus woman, Doctor Kevorkian was doing a good thing-- providing a clean
 humane way for people whose quality of life and health has gone down the
 drain to die peacefully and with dignity! The 'nice example'? Children, I
 believe, are not going to be influenced by Doc Kevorkian.. The prison system,
 for them to allow Doctor Kevorkian not to eat.. aren't they letting him
 commit suicide? illegal? huh? HUH?? *spaz*

   The movie industry is controlled by our government; the five major
 publishing houses were bought by the Mafia some time back, and in 1974 World


The movie industry is controlled by big money who get their scripts juiced up by
the social
engineers. Watch for the trends in movies. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to
see
what direction they want the mindless masses to go. Goes for T.V. too.


 So the government wants children to blow people up?


The ruling elite would love that. But they need to get the guns first. The
government is trying
to get them due to the crying of the people who can't realize that people kill
people and the
guns are just the means by which it was carried out. I'm sure bombs are next.


   Now here is Clinton playing another humanitarian role, while he and his
 butchers of Waco and the Balkans send in armed troop virtually ready to blast
 away at the school.   Can you imagine what might have happened here, if the
 killers were alone in the building...and had not killed themselves.


How do you know they killed themselves? It's far more plausible that they were
shot.
If  they were taken alive, it wouldn't be as shocking.


 Let's pity the killers, those who chose, I'm almost certain beyond a doubt,
 to kill on their own.. No one was shot by the police (as far as I know), and
 if the killers were alone in the building.. I would expect what they did to
 come right back and get them

   The one thing that I detested this afternoon, was a young man, who said
 "oh nobody liked them, they were scum"now I wonder why these kids would
 do as they did.who got their hooks into them, who set them offand
 why today?These kids were obviously on drugs, and this Mafia
 stuffwell how about a few moremovies with DiNiro playing the Godfather;
 he is in trouble now in Italy for criminal connections.


They were programmed and something set them off. Each 

Re: [CTRL] Kenn Thomas on Art Bell

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

 -Caveat Lector-

On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Don Allen wrote:


 I wish you success on the new Gemstone book. However, I MUST question
 your sanity for appearing on the Art Bell show. Are you that desparate
 for exposure? Bell is a certifiable idiot, a liar and a front line shill for
 the
 NWO.  Why don't you appear on Gary Aldrich's radio show instead? At
 least Aldrich has credibility, something that Fart Smell will never have.



"Fart Smell" has MANY MORE millions of listeners...I mean
REALLY?!?!

=
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[CTRL] Bizarre connection in Columbine High shooting!

[Steve Wingate]

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On 21 Apr 99, at 11:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Have you been here?

http://www.theeunderground.net/Features/features248littleton.shtml

(Thanks for the info, Pat. Very interesting! --SW)


Bizarre connection in Columbine High shooting!

How rash of school shootings connect to each other!

By JP Essene

Editor of

Thee Under Ground Net

4/20/99

Ripleys believe it or not...

The latest school shooting by the Trench Coat Mafia, in Littleton Colorado at Columbine High School is CONNECTED in a most BIZARRE way to the rash of school shootings that have been occurring all over the US the past couple of years.

I've written several articles about all of these tragic school shootings and I knew that another would occur. IT WAS OVER DUE.

And it did occur EXACTLY where I had warned in my previous articles on these school shootings, which all have something in common.

This latest shooting, the worst in the history of school violence in the US, struck THE EXACT MIDDLE OF A LINE that I've been writing about since early 1995.

This BIZARRE LINE OF TRADEGY is known on my site as THE SOLLOG LINE OF TRAGEDY. I've referred to it in countless articles before.

Many other TRAGEDIES besides these school shootings have struck THE SOLLOG LINE as well. Such as:

The Oklahoma City Bombing

Jon Bennet Ransey's Death

Versaces Death

Michael Kennedy's Death

Just to name a few of the other infamous TRAGEDIES that have ALL STRUCK THE LINE OF SOLLOG.

You can find 1000's of referenences to this LINE OF TRAGEDY in USENET as well. Go to www.DejaNews.com and look up Sollog Line of Tragedy.

The LINE OF SOLLOG came to be know in the media in 1995, when Sollog started warning about the FUTURE and NUKES in papers in the Philadelphia area.

In fact a FAT SCUMBAG named Howard Altman of the Philadelphia City Paper is one of the best sources for early articles about Sollog and his LINE OF TRAGEDY on the net. You can read the Sollog articles written by Howard Altman the FAT UGLY EDITOR of The City Paper at www.citypaper.net.

Just put in Sollog in their search engine, and you'll see all the old articles about Sollog where UGLY FAT HOWARD ALTMAN MOCKS SOLLOG and HIS LINE OF TRAGEDY. Then look at a map and see how THE TRAGIC EVENTS THEN ALL OCCURRED ON SOLLOGS LINE.

(PS I hear a famous MYSTIC says that Howard Altman has his throat slit by a homeless person for mocking Sollog. If you are a Sollog Fan and want to email a SOLLOG RULES YOU SUCK Message to SCUMBAG HOWARD ALMAN and a few others THAT LIE about Sollog Click Here )

After Sollog published HIS WARNINGS in the Philadelphia media in early 1995, Sollog then sued the US government over NUKES. He again wrote about THIS LINE in detail in his case (US Federal court Philadelphia 96CV 1499), and he also wrote in that case about many other events IN THE FUTURE in remarkable detail. So exact was the details by Sollog of FUTURE EVENTS like TWA 800 and Diana's Death that the European media calls him NOSTRADAMUS of the 90's.

He guaranteed in 1995 that certain types of TRAGEDIES like these bizarre shootins would all occur on a STRAIGHT line across the US.

They then occurred and they have indeed struck the SOLLOG LINE of tragedy across the HEART OF AMERICA mentioned by Sollog in his famous case (Even the Washington Post wrote about the case, although they think it doesn't exist. That is why the publisher of this site has a One Hundred Thousand Dollar Guarantee the case is real and the documents about TWA 800 and Diana are authentic.)

As I noted in my other articles, Springfield Oregon and Jackson (Pearl) Mississippi are both ON THE SOLLOG LINE.

When you connect the school shootings that did not occur ON THE SOLLOG line, another STRAIGHT LINE is formed by the locations of the shootings in Jonesboro Arkansas, Paducah Kentucky and Edinboro PA.

These TWO School Shooting Lines (Springfield to Pearl and Edinboro through Jonesboro) just happen to INTERSECT in HOPE ARKANSAS the birth place of that scumbag in the Whitehouse, aka Bill Clinton. You know the ass that just started World War III in the Balkans. Yes Clinton is the FOCAL POINT of these tragedies when you start to map them out!

It's also a FACT, that the EXACT POINT IN THE MIDDLE of the two previous shootings ON THE SOLLOG LINE is EXACTLY where this latest shooting occurred.

LITTLETON is the halfway point between the school shootings that occurred in Springfield Oregon and Jackson (Pearl) Mississippi directly ON THE SOLLOG LINE. Look at this map of the US.

Is this a coincidence?

NOT

It is a WARNING that NUKES are near, says the WORD OF ONE aka Sollog.

With events in the BALKANS you KNOW NUKES may indeed be around the corner. Thanks to the admitted LIAR, ADULTERER, PERJURER and MURDERER from the capital in DC.

To sum up these shootings.

In 1995 Sollog WARNED of NUKES, and he GUARANTEED a line of tragedy would appear across the US. This line indeed connects many tragic events to each other.

Sollog says THESE DEATHS of 

Re: [CTRL] Bizarre connection in Columbine High shooting!

[Steve Wingate]

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This is the map link:

http://www.theeunderground.net/Features/usmap-schools-a.gif

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Re: [CTRL] Bizarre connection in Columbine High shooting!

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My appologies for forwarding this article without closely checking for
objectionable language, etc. It is unfortunate that some writers do this which
tends to reduce their credibility.

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[CTRL] Bearden on Advanced E/M Weaponry

[David Crockett Williams]

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Subject: Re: KGB Electromagnetics
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 11:34 PM

 - - - - -

 A Rare Event: Tom Bearden Talks About Weaponry

 "I promised Zoh some years ago that I would come on her show and
 I would talk about weaponry and I'm fulfilling that promise
 today."

 One of the greatest man-induced dangers we face as a planet
 today is the development of electromagnetic frequencies to be
 used as wave warfare. In April of 1997 Secretary of Defense
 William Cohen admitted he was concerned about threats of
 terrorism with weapons that can cause earthquakes and trigger
 volcanoes.

 Over the years we have shared with our audiences many different
 approaches to the subject of quantum mechanics, the work of
 Nikola Tesla, the concerns about ELF wave warfare, mind control,
 and other technological nightmares predicted by the misuse of
 these technologies. Investigators and researchers in these areas
 often refuse to speak publicly about their work, and usually
 Ltc. Tom Bearden is one of them. When asked, Bearden typically
 declines to share his knowledge about our government's
 involvement in behavioral weaponry, lecturing instead on the
 many other facets in his amazing repertoire. Indeed, there are
 other lecturers speaking publicly about behavioral weaponry, but
 often they are sent by the government to assure the public this
 stuff doesn't go on.

 But on May 16, 1997, however, Tom Bearden kept his promise, and
 agreed to be a guest on The Zoh Show and tell her audience what
 he knows about electromagnetic weaponry. Zoh recalled meeting
 Christopher Bird for the first time in December 1977. The
 co-author of the classic, The Secret Life of Plants, Chris Bird
 eventually became the best man at the wedding of Dr. Bob and Zoh
 (see Hieronimus  Co. Newsletter #6), and at that first meeting
 Chris noted Zoh's interest in learning how frequencies are
 capable of changing consciousness, healing and harming. Chris
 said, "You must speak to my good friend Tom Bearden." Tom and
 Zoh briefly discussed his work in weaponry, with a promise to go
 into more details at their next meeting. Since then, he has
 discontinued public speaking about his knowledge, until this
 date, twenty years later, on May 16, 1997 when he joined The Zoh
 Show to help promote the New Energy Conference of May 1997, and
 fulfill his twenty year old promise.

 Zoh asked Tom to give his own rendition of his biography and he
 modestly summarized his extraordinary background like this:

 "Well, in all these matters, Zoh, you've got to keep your sense
 of humor. I started out to be a country  western guitar picker
 and singer and followed that trade until I wound up in the U.S.
 Army. I had an Army career, I'm retired of course, then worked
 in aerospace for 19 years. That's basically my background.
 Masters Degree in Nuclear Engineering, B.S. degree in
 mathematics, some other courses here and there, and the
 equivalent of a Masters Degree in Aerospace Engineering from a
 special Army course. I got concerned early on looking at
 electromagnetics," when he realized text book teachings were
 antiquated in the teachings and concept of energy. "It was all
 twisted up, and it is to this day, and I'm not the only one who
 says that. Some of the very famous foundation's physicists have
 pointed out that electrodynamics should be completely redone,
 but it's fashionable to never pay attention to that." Tom says
 he got concerned because it appeared to him that if the errors
 were corrected, "you could also model the mind," he continues.
 "I've always been convinced that we are human beings. We are not
 meat computers and we are not machines. If we lose sight of the
 fact of our humanity and our human beingness, the rest of it
 doesn't matter anyway. If we are nothing but a bunch of robots
 beating one another's brains out then we would be better off to
 be destroyed and populate the earth with real human beings.

 SCIENCE NEEDS TO CONSIDER HUMAN-NESS

 "One of the things that I wanted to see was a science that was
 more humane, that considered human beings as well as
 materialism. Fortunately, quantum mechanics destroyed
 materialism about sixty-something years ago but unfortunately it
 hasn't fallen down yet. It's dead but it's not toppled over, and
 unfortunately most of our scientists are still materialists,"
 meaning they believe that the brain is where all the action is.
 In their belief, he says, "there's no such thing as an
 independent mind or independent spirit or anything."

 Tom is reluctant to discuss our military's involvement in
 electromagnetic warfare because he doesn't want to be "gagged".
 "First of all, as you can probably imagine, I've leaned over
 backwards and stayed completely out of any room that had
 anything to do with anything our own government might be doing
 or might not be doing. The obvious reason is: everything I did
 had to be done from open sources -- otherwise you just end up
 getting classified, 

Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat

[Shockro]

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In a message dated 4/21/99 1:27:49 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 many computer games are shoot'em up the bad guy, also. for a society as
  saturated in violence as ours is, it is suprizing that there has not been
  a whole lot more violence up to now. that seems to becoming less and less
  the case as time progresses. as a society we have been sowing the wind for
  some time and eventually we will have to reap the whirlwind. i only hope
  that i am wrong.

  west coast meanderings

  chris

Ugh, here we go blaming computer games again.  Computer games are not the
work of the devil, they do not cause children to go on shooting sprees (trust
me, I'm one of them), and lastly, we do have minds of our own.  Games have
been violent since the 8-bit Nintendo was released, with Mario.  To finish
the game, you must defeat Bowser in physical combat, which is "violence".
Computer games are "violent" because "violence" sells.  It's a sad thought,
but how many copies do you think "Barbie's Fashion Show" sold?  It was a
great game, no violence, but then again, no one liked it.  Computer games can
be good for us actually, they give us a nonliving object to take out our
aggression on, and we're not destroying anything either, as opposed to
hitting a wall or kicking something.

My 3 cents...

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Re: [CTRL] IUFO: Canada post tax on your email

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On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Debby Federico wrote:


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 Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: Fwd: Fw: canada post tax on your email]]
 
 
 
 Subject: Fw: canada post tax on your email
 Sent:19/4/20 8:43
 Received:99/4/19 8:49
 
 
 I received this today:...will it ever end?
 Eltie
 
  Please read the following carefully if you intend to stay online and
 continue using email:
 
  The last few months have revealed an alarming trend in the Government
 of Canada attempting to quietly push through legislation that will
 affect your use of the Internet.
 
 Under proposed legislation Canada Post will be attempting to bill email
 users out of "alternate postage fees".
 
 Bill 602P will permit the Federal Govt. to charge a 5 cent surcharge on
 every email delivered, by billing Internet Service Providers at source.
 The consumer would then be billed in turn by
 the ISP.
 
 Toronto lawyer Richard Stepp QC is working to prevent this legislation
 from becoming law.The Canada Post Corporation is claiming that lost
 revenue due to the proliferation of email is
 costing
 nearly $23,000,000 in revenue per year. You may have noticed Canada
 Post's recent ad campaign "There is nothing like a letter". Since the
 average citizen received about 10 pieces of email
 per day in 1998, the cost to the typical individual would be an
 additional 50 cents per day, or over $180 dollars per year, above and
 beyond their regular Internet costs. Note that this
 would be money paid directly to Canada Post for a service they do not
 even provide.
 
 The whole point of the Internet is democracy and non-interference. If
 the Canadian Government is
 permitted to tamper with our liberties by adding a surcharge to e-mail,
 who knows where it will end. You are already paying an exorbitant price
 for snail mail because of bureaucratic
 inefficiency.
 
 It currently takes up to 6 days for a letter to be delivered from
 Mississauga to Scarborough. If Canada Post Corporation is allowed to
 tinker with email, it will mark the end of the "free"
 Internet in Canada. One back-bencher, Liberal Tony Schnell (NB) has even
 suggested a "twenty to forty dollar per month surcharge on all Internet
 service" above and beyond the
 government's proposed email charges. Note
 that most of the major newspapers have ignored the story, the only
 exception being the Toronto Star that called the idea of email surcharge
 "a useful concept who's time has come"
 (March 6th 1999
 Editorial)
 
 Don't sit by and watch your freedoms erode away! Send this email to all
 Canadians on your list and tell your friends and relatives to write to
 their MP and say "No!" to Bill 602P.
 
  Kate Turner
  Assistant to Richard Stepp QC
  Berger, Stepp and Gorman
  Barristers at Law
  216 Bay Street
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Re: [CTRL] Kenn Thomas on Art Bell

[Don Allen]

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At 05:40 PM 4/21/99 -0700, MICHAEL SPITZER wrote:
 -Caveat Lector-


"Fart Smell" has MANY MORE millions of listeners...I mean
REALLY?!?!

There's no shortage of gullible people in this country.


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[CTRL] Fwd: Johanna Quandt/BMW Nazis

[Kris Millegan]

 [The Guardian]

  [Guardian Unlimited]
   [Archive]
 
  You'd be smiling too if you were worth £12
  billion

  She started out as a secretary. Now Johanna
  Quandt is Europe's second richest person. Hans
  Kundnani goes on the trail of the shadowy
  figure behind BMW

  Monday April 19, 1999

  Not many BMW drivers will have heard of
  Johanna Quandt. But the reclusive widow of the
  late Herbert Quandt, the man who was
  instrumental in rebuilding the firm after the
  second world war, has for almost 40 years been
  one of the most important - yet mysterious -
  figures behind the scenes of the BMW empire.

  According to last week's Sunday Times Rich
  List, 71-year-old Quandt is the second richest
  person in Europe, worth almost £12 billion.
  The family's shares in BMW alone, which she
  inherited after her husband's death in 1982,
  are worth £5 billion.

  Given the fantastic extent of her wealth and
  power - not least over the workforce of the
  Rover plant in Longbridge - remarkably little
  is known about her or her family. She spends
  most of her time in a guarded villa in Bad
  Homburg, an exclusive suburb of Frankfurt,
  occasionally venturing out to make incognito
  shopping trips. She is almost never seen in
  public, and has never given an interview to a
  journalist. She is even said to travel economy
  class, under an assumed name.

  In fact, the Quandt family is so secretive
  that it was only in 1995, when a new German
  insider-trading law obliged them to disclose
  their stake in BMW, that the full extent of
  their control emerged.

  But behind Quandt's spectacular wealth is a
  remarkable story of how a secretary became one
  of the most powerful women in European
  industry, a story which spans the entire
  post-war history of Germany; and, in fact,
  parallels the reconstruction of Germany after
  it lay in ruins in 1945.

  In 1960, when Herbert Quandt married his
  secretary Johanna Bruhn, BMW was a struggling
  manufacturer of motorcycles, which was heavily
  in debt and had narrowly avoided bankruptcy
  and takeover. Many of its shareholders had
  lost faith in its ability to recover, and few
  could have anticipated its future.

  The Bayerische Motoren Werke was set up in
  1917 as a manufacturer of aircraft engines
  (the company's famous blue and white logo
  represents a propellor). With its increasing
  success in the 1920s, it expanded into
  motorcycles, then automobiles.

  At this point, Gunther Quandt, Herbert's
  father, bought into the company. But the
  second world war left it discredited and
  virtually destroyed. The Quandts, by then
  significant shareholders in BMW, had been part
  of Hitler's inner circle: not only was Gunther
  Quandt an economic adviser to Hitler, but his
  wife, Magda (Herbert Quandt's mother) later
  also married Nazi propaganda minister Joseph
  Goebbels.

  During the war BMW had, like nearly all the
  great names of the German car industry, been
  integrated into the German war machine, making
  engines for the Luftwaffe. When the Red Army
[Image]   reached the BMW motorcycle factory in
  south-east Germany in 1945, it confiscated the
  

Re: [CTRL] Kenn Thomas on Art Bell

[Thomas, Kenneth F.]

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Could we, like, detach my name from this thread? I don't see anything gained
by discussing relative on-air and on-line flatulence.

kt

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Johanna Quandt/BMW Nazis

[Mark McHugh]

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Kris Millegan wrote:

   

 Subject: Johanna Quandt/BMW  Nazis
 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:28:01 -0400 (EDT)
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Constantine)
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  [The Guardian]


   The Bayerische Motoren Werke was set up in
   1917 as a manufacturer of aircraft engines
   (the company's famous blue and white logo
   represents a propellor).

The blue and white mirror the colors and design of the Bavarian (Bayerisch)
flag.

The Mercedes symbol, in my opinion, more likely reflects a propellor.

--
Mark McHugh

One Step Beyond!

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[CTRL] Fwd: Significant Number of Draft-Dodgers Fleeing Yugoslavia to Bosnia

[Kris Millegan]

Significant Number of Draft-Dodgers Fleeing Yugoslavia to Bosnia


AP
20-APR-99


UNITED NATIONS (AP) -- A significant number of draft-dodgers are among the
more than 20,000 refugees from Yugoslavia who have streamed across the border
into Bosnia-Herzegovina, the U.N. special representative to Bosnia said
Tuesday. 


Elisabeth Rehn had no estimate of the number of draft-dodgers, but she said
quite a number of young men crossing into Bosnia have told authorities, "they
don't want to be drafted and that is the reason why they are coming." 


The draft-dodgers include Muslim Slavs, Serbs, and others, she said. 


Yugoslavia has a draft for males from age 18, but men serve in the reserves
until well into middle age and are subject to an annual two-week callup. Under
the state of war declared last month, the government has the right to call
into military service any male aged 18 to 65. 


Rehn estimated that between 20,000 and 25,000 Yugoslav refugees are currently
in Bosnia, which is still coping with 800,000 displaced people unable to
return to their homes. 


U.N. officials realize that Bosnian Serbs who fled to Yugoslavia during the
war in Bosnia may now seek to return to the Serb-controlled half of Bosnia for
political and economic reasons, Rehn said. 


"We have to handle as many as come to avoid being murdered, or drafted into an
unjust war by (Yugoslav President Slobodan) Milosevic," said Bosnia's U.N.
Ambassador Muhamed Sacirbey. 


Rehn praised police in the Serb-controlled entity known as Republika Srbska
for trying "to keep up law and order." She said it was also "rewarding" that
the Interior Ministry responded professionally to ensure the security of the
international community in the face of demonstrations, grenade attacks, and
the destruction of property. 


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[CTRL] Fw: DRUDGE-REPORT-FINAL 4/21/99

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Subject: DRUDGE-REPORT-FINAL 4/21/99


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PAPERS:  JOCKS CALLED TRENCHCOAT MEMBERS 'GAY'; BOYS WOULD HOLD HANDS IN THE
HALLS

Jocks at Columbine High School would pick on the school's Trenchcoat Mafia,
calling members "gay", the PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER is reporting in Thursday
editions.

"They were ones you'd make fun of," Mike Smith, 18, a senior and a point
guard on the school's state championship basketball team, tells the paper.

Smith says that "he and the other jocks would pick on the mafia members,
egging them on with gibes of 'gay,' or 'inbreed'."

Harris and Klebold would respond in German, Smith tells the INQUIRER.

"They'd talk back to us in another language and we'd just laugh."

The tensions between the jocks and the trenchcoats came to a head at the end
of the last school year.

For several weeks, Smith tells the paper, the two groups fought almost daily
after school.

"It was like, 'OK, we'll meet you here and we'll meet you there and get
it all over with.'"

He said school officials knew about the fights but did little to stop them.

At the time in the past, he had shrugged off the disputes.

But Wednesday, he felt guilty, reports the paper's Richard Jones and Gwen
Florio in Littleton.

"Sometimes," he added, gesturing at the school over his shoulder, "I think
it's because of me."

Jon Vandermark, a 16-year-old sophomore, tells Thursday's DAILY SENTINEL [in
Grand Junction, Colo.] that members of the Trenchcoat Mafia said they were
bi-sexual.

"Boys would hold hands in the halls sometimes," Vandermark tells the paper.

"They were called freaks, homos and everything in-between."

Junior Nicole Shieve watched as the two, and others in the group, kept
getting picked on during school.


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NATO GENERAL AUTHORIZES PLANS FOR POSSIBLE GROUND TROOPS IN KOSOVO

Secretary General Javier Solana said Wednesday night in an interview that he
has authorized the alliance's military command to revise and update plans
for a possible ground invasion of Kosovo, the WASHINGTON POST is reporting
in fresh editions.

Solana's disclosure was made during a telephone interview from Brussels, the
POST reports.


U.S. IS PRESSED BY U.K. AND FRANCE TO SEND IN GROUND TROOPS

Britain and France are pressing the United States to seriously consider
sending ground forces into Kosovo -- a move that the White House fears will
find NATO troops mired in a guerrilla war with Serb renegades!

"The problem is not fighting your way in; it is what happens after you  get
there," one White House official tells Thursday's NEW YORK TIMES.

According to publishing sources, the paper's Michael Gordon and Craig
Whitney will report that there is now an active behind-the-scenes debate on
ground troops.

The issue is not on the agenda at this weekend's big NATO meeting in
Washington, but one high European official of the alliance tells the TIMES:
"The leaders are certainly going to be talking about it, over dinner,
informally."

The official continues:  "The British, the French and the Turks might all be
willing to go in with ground troops... But what do the Americans want?"

Developing...

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CONTEMPT SHOWDOWN:  CLINTON WILLING TO PAY UP TO $100,000, BUT NO MORE

Clinton is willing to reimburse expenses up to about $100,000 without
challenge after being hit with a contempt ruling in the Paula Jones case.

But Jones Lawyer John Whitehead tells reporters that his accounting shows
that Clinton's false testimony cost between $300,000 and $400,000!

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LITTLETON SCHOOL MASSACRE NOT WORST IN U.S. HISTORY

A massive error is circulating in the media about Tuesday's Colorado school
tragedy:  It was not, repeat, not the worst attack on a school in United
States history.

[REUTERS:  "The country's worst school massacre, in Littleton, Colo."
UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL:  "The worst school massacre in U.S. history."]

On May 18, 1927, 45 people were killed, including 38 elementary students, by
a series of dynamite explosions at the Bath Michigan School.

After detonating explosives he planted under the school, "maniac bomber"
Andrew Kehoe, a school board member and treasurer and farmer, blew up his
pickup truck, killing himself and the Bath School superintendent.

"I don't remember hearing any noise, but I remember flying in the air and
seeing things fly between me and the sun," remembers AdaBelle McGonigal,
then 11 and in the fifth grade. "But I don't ever remember falling."

AdaBelle's ear was nearly torn off in the blast that killed 38 of her
classmates. Seven adults also died that day.

Because this happened so long ago, it is something that most reporters don't
know about and have failed to reference in the coverage of the