Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [abinfo] In Defence of Sitchin

1999-10-19 Thread Das GOAT

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Golly,. I'm famous.

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Re: [CTRL] David Icke Under Severe Attack - Efforts To Silence Him ...

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So the zealous attempts of ADL to give David a hard time in Canada for his
apparent anti-Semitism are proof positive that his wild allegations of
reptilian conspirators are perhaps true? I have my doubts. For one, he wasn't
accused of anti-reptilian sentiments. Secondly,  haven't other known or
suspected anti-Semites come in for similar treatment in Canada? On a similar
note, David Irving has had a hard time getting into Australia (in fact he
can't), but no such attempts were made to bar anti-reptilian David Icke. He
was criticised in South Africa (shock,horror!). So what? Since when has
criticism been evidence of suppression or oppression, or is that David's
martyrdom personality rearing it's head again?  How have people just pushing
the reptilian line with nary a sore word about Jews faired in getting about
and spreading the word in Canada? And are his books banned in Canada?

BD

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Re: [CTRL] Black Sun

1999-10-19 Thread Michael F. Corbin

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At 02:22 PM 10/18/99 -0500, you wrote:
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Mike!

Thanks for the photos.  The one's I've seen previously are poor in color and
size.

Can you transcribe from "airport.jpg" the text of the the scroll and the
inscription at the bottom left of the mural the next time you're at the
airport?


It says:  "I was once a little child who longed for other worlds.
But I am no more a child for I have known fear.
I have learned to hate...
How tragic, then, is youth which lives with enemies, with gallows ropes.
Yet, I still believe I only sleep today, that I'll wake up, a child again,
and, start to laugh and play."

There is something in smaller print at the bottom, which I cannot make
out.  I will have to check on it and let you know.


I've noticed how the weapon appears to be a fusion of the US M-16A1 and a
Russian AK-47.  Also, the character looks like one of the Four Horsemen, War.
Any more of those murals around?


I don't think so.


3's, 5's, triangles and a Masonic capstone for a public facility.  Verrry
interesting.  Where in the airport is the capstone located?


It is located at the very southern end of the facility on the same side as
the black disk.



Mike

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [abinfo] In Defence of Sitchin

1999-10-19 Thread Nicky Molloy

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Hey Das you'll know you made it when they do Das and Zacharia on Celebrity
Death Match. I have to confess I sent your masterpiece post around the world
too.
Do you know any other subjects as well?
Tell us about yourself.
I'm going to post something on USC Mike. He gets some good stuff.
Nicky


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Golly,. I'm famous.

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[CTRL] Fw: The Population Control agenda 1/1

1999-10-19 Thread Nicky Molloy

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--Subject: The Population Control agenda 1/1


A Personal UPDATE Article
http://www.khouse.org/articles/update/popcontrol.html

Beyond Birth Control:

The Population Control Agenda
by Dr. Stan Monteith, M.D.

Planned population control including genocide is a difficult concept for
Americans to accept. Even though the U.S. government helps finance the Red
Chinese program of forced abortion, sterilization and infanticide, and helps
finance the United Nations "family planning program," most people find it
impossible to believe that such programs are really part of a larger plan to
kill off large segments of the world's population.

"How can you possibly believe that?" I am frequently asked. The answer is
quite simple: I have read the writings of those who intend to depopulate
large segments of the earth and I believe them. They have written of the
necessity of reducing-by force if necessary-the world's population.

Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood

Our tax money finances Planned Parenthood, an organization founded by
Margaret Sanger. In Planned Parenthood's 1985 Annual Report, its leaders
proclaimed that they were, "Proud of our past, and planning for our
future."1

How could anyone claim to be proud of an organization when history records
that its founder wrote of the necessity of "the extermination of 'human
weeds'...the 'cessation of charity'...the segregation of 'morons, misfits,
and the maladjusted' and...the sterilization of 'genetically inferior
races?'"2

During the 1930s Margaret Sanger published The Birth Control Review, in
which she openly supported Nazi Germany's "infanticide program" in the
1930s, and publicly championed Adolf Hitler's goal of Aryan white supremacy.
Prior to World War II she commissioned Nazi Ernst Rudin, director of the
dreaded German medical experimentation programs, to serve as an advisor to
her organization.

In Killer Angel, George Grant chronicled the life and writings of Margaret
Sanger, including her plans for genetically engineering the human race.
Margaret Sanger's The Pivot of Civilization called for "the elimination of
human weeds," and the "cessation of charity" because it prolonged the lives
of the unfit. She called for the segregation of the unfit and prohibiting
them to reproduce.

In 1939, Margaret Sanger organized the Negro Project, designed to eliminate
members of what she believed to be an "inferior race." She justified her
proposal because "the masses of Negroes... particularly in the South, still
breed carelessly and disastrously, with the result that the increase among
Negroes, even more than among whites, is from that portion of the population
least intelligent and fit..."3

She then went on to reveal that she intended to "hire three or four colored
ministers to travel to various black enclaves to propagandize for birth
control...The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a
religious appeal. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate
the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out
that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."4

As Margaret Sanger's organization grew, she wrote of the necessity of
targeting religious groups for destruction as well, believing that the
"dysgenic races" should include "fundamentalists and Catholics" in addition
to "blacks, Hispanics, [and] American Indians."5 As the years passed, Sanger
became increasingly obsessed with occult beliefs and hostile to Christianity
and the American precept of individual freedom. Her distaste for America is
evident in her writings:
"Birth control appeals to the advanced radical because it is calculated to
undermine the authority of the Christian churches. I look forward to seeing
humanity free someday of the tyranny of Christianity no less than
Capitalism."6

Just like Adolf Hitler, Margaret Sanger was a disciple of Theosophy and its
founder, Madame Blavatsky. Both Sanger and Hitler were involved in a
religion that worshipped Lucifer and were energized by the same dark,
spiritual forces.

Lucis Trust is a prominent modern day representative of Theosophy, an
extension of the Lucifer Publishing Company, which is also a United Nations
NGO. Lucis Trust was founded by Alice A. Bailey during the early 20th
century. Bailey was a disciple of Madame Blavatsky and nominal leader of the
Theosophical Society in the early 1900s.

Because the name "Lucifer" had such a bad connotation, Bailey changed the
name of her organization from the Lucifer Publishing Company to Lucis Trust.
The nature and beliefs of this organization, however, have always remained
the same.

Lucis Trust is one of the major front groups through which Theosophy
influences life in America. Publications from Lucis Trust regularly refer to
"The Plan" for humanity that has been established by "The Hierarchy."
Sanger's disciples are alive and functioning today, influencing national and
international population control policy.

David 

[CTRL] Fw: The Population Control Agenda 2/2

1999-10-19 Thread Nicky Molloy

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-Subject: The Population Control Agenda 2/2


A Personal UPDATE Article
http://www.khouse.org/articles/update/popcontrol2.html
Beyond Birth Control:

The Population Control Agenda (Part 2)
by Dr. Stan Monteith, M.D.

[Ed. Note: Last month we began a two-part series on the New World agenda
behind many "social programs" whose goal is to reduce the population of the
world. We continue this month with a look at some specific examples.]

The Infamous Tuskegee Study

The influence of population control advocates can be seen in the Tuskegee
Study, a scientific research program in which 400 syphilis-infected black
men were recruited by the U.S. Public Health Service in 1932. The
participants were told that they would be treated for their infections but
instead had all effective medicine withheld. The black men were actively
prevented from obtaining treatment elsewhere as their bodies, and the bodies
of their wives and children, were systematically ravaged by disease.

The men who conceived this Nazi-style study justified their atrocity by
saying that scientists needed to learn how untreated syphilis progressed in
the human body. For forty years-from 1932 until 1972-the genocidal Tuske-gee
Study continued. It was not until 1972, after one newspaper finally broke
the story, that the study was finally terminated. By that time, only 125 of
the original 400 men survived. According to Margaret Sanger's1 sense of
morality, experiments on "human weeds" were fully justified in the name of
"science."

To this day, 25 years after the end of that grotesque human experiment, none
of the perpetrators of that atrocity has ever been accused or indicted of a
crime. Do you honestly believe for one moment that such an experiment would
have been tolerated here in America had the participants been white men?2

DDT Saved Lives

Another more effective method of reducing world population was devised in
the early 1960s by environmentalists and population-control adherents:
blocking the use of DDT for mosquito and malaria control, which had been
found to be extremely effective in saving human lives.

In 1970 the National Academy of Sciences, in their book Life Sciences,
stated that, "In little more than two decades DDT has prevented 500 million
deaths due to malaria."

To population control advocates, this preservation of human life was
intolerable, so they set out to outlaw further use of the pesticide. Up
until 1970 all reliable scientific data had consistently demonstrated that
DDT was safe for both humans and animals. Indeed, DDT was the safest
pesticide ever known to mankind. Furthermore, it was inexpensive and could
be widely used in third-world countries to control the spread of
insect-borne diseases.

Accordingly, population control adherents set out to have DDT banned in the
name of saving the environment. You probably remember the contrived stories
declaring that DDT caused softening of eggshells, interfered with the
balance of nature, and endangered humanity by entering the food chain. In
truth, all of those stories were fabricated and part of a carefully
coordinated program to block further use of the lifesaving pesticide.

William Ruckelshaus was a longtime member of the Environmental Defense Fund
and Director of the EPA. He outlawed further use of DDT in 1972 despite the
recommendation of the EPA Chairman Investigating Committee, which had heard
six months of testimony on use of the pesticide, and had determined that DDT
was completely safe. When Ruckelshaus outlawed further use of DDT, he signed
the death warrant for hundreds of millions of helpless human beings living
in third-world countries.

In Remembering Silent Spring and Its Consequences, 3 Professor J. Gordon
Edwards quoted from a speech by Victor Yanconne, founder of the
Environmental Defense Fund. In that talk, Mr. Yanconne related a story told
to him by a reporter who had asked Dr. Charles Wurster, one of the major
opponents of DDT, whether a ban on DDT wouldn't actually result in far
greater use of more toxic pesticides. Dr. Wurster is reported to have
replied, "So what? People are the cause of all the problems. We have too
many of them. We need to get rid of some of them and this is as good a way
as any."

When asked by the same reporter, "Doctor, how do you square the killing of
people with the mere loss of some birds?" Dr. Wurster is reported to have
replied, "It doesn't really make a lot of difference, because
organophosphate acts locally and only kills farm workers and most of them
are Mexicans and Negroes."4

If the National Academy of Sciences was correct in its 1970 assessment, we
have probably lost over 600 million human lives during the past twenty-five
years since advocates of population control succeeded in outlawing DDT.5

Abortion, Breast Cancer and Population Control

Many physicians are concerned about dramatic increases in breast carcinoma
in women. Despite the fact that 18 scientific studies in domestic and
foreign medical 

[CTRL] Fw: Global Warming? Hot Air!

1999-10-19 Thread Nicky Molloy

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---Subject: Global Warming? Hot Air!


I actually heard on the news here in Auckland that we were going to run out
of oxygen in 40 years maybe that has something to do with depopulation.

Nicky


A Personal UPDATE Article
http://www.khouse.org/articles/update/globalwarm9712.html
http://www.khouse.org/articles.html
Environmental Update:

Global Warming? Hot Air!
by John Loeffler, World Affairs Editor

President Clinton heads to Japan this month for the purpose of signing a
"global climate change" treaty to limit greenhouse gas emissions, such as
carbon dioxide. This continues the globalization of environmental green law
which we saw in 1992 at the United Nations Conference on Environment and
Development (UNCED), in Rio de Janeiro.

As a runup to the President's trip, we will be inundated by propaganda
designed to scare the American public into believing that scientists agree
that global warming is a threatening fact that requires radical governmental
response. We will be shown charts of the earth's average temperatures since
1850. We will be told there is a consensus of atmospheric scientists. We
will be told the polar ice caps will melt, storms will become severe, and
the coastlines will flood. Even severely cold winters will be blamed on
global warming. All of this is known as the White House Effect, which is
probably a bigger producer of hot air than the greenhouse effect.

What Do the Data Say About Global Warming?

The methods used to predict future global warming are based on computer
models, not actual temperature readings. And even the models are changing
their forecasts. In 1990 the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
said global temperatures would climb more than 3 degrees C by the year 2100
if we didn't make radical cuts in greenhouse gas emissions such as carbon
dioxide and methane. Now the same group says the earth might only warm
1degree C. One degree? But the earth was that warm a thousand years ago
during the last climactic optimum! So why the alarm?

The History of Global Warming

Whether the earth is warming or cooling depends on when you begin making
measurements. Over the last two decades, satellite sensors show that the
earth has been cooling. If measurements begin in 1850, at the end of the
little ice age and the point alarmists love to start their charts, the earth
has heated about 1 degree C.

For the last couple of decades, we have had satellite readings of both land
and sea temperatures. Prior to that, for about a century or so, temperature
readings were confined mostly to land. Prior to that, scientists rely on
historical data.

From about 800 a.d. to 1200 a.d., the earth's average climate was warmer
than it is today-at least 1 degree C warmer-the same amount everyone is
panicked about. It was the period when Vikings crossed the oceans in open
boats without cabins and were able to settle and raise crops in Greenland,
because it wasn't covered with a sheet of ice. Note that the oceans didn't
flood the continents. Scientists refer to this period of time as the
"climactic optimum"-an optimum and not a disaster!

From 1200 a.d. onward, the earth began to cool. The period between 1450 and
1850 is the period scientists refer to as the "little ice age." The Vikings
had to abandon Greenland since it became covered with perpetual ice.

The most severe storms of history set in during this time and are related to
global cooling rather than global warming. The worst storms on record in the
North Sea occurred during this time. Storms in 1421 and 1446 claimed 100,000
lives while a storm in 1570 claimed over 400,000.

Only two of the 20 deadliest storms occurred since 1962 and none of them
occurred in the 1980s or 1990s, when we were first warned about the global
warming "crisis."

By 1850, the cooling cycle reversed and the earth began warming to the
temperature norms we see today. It is clear the earth passes through normal
long-term cycles, attributed to sunspot cycles and other factors.
Our current fluctuations are normal variations not caused by human activity.

Is There a Consensus?

There is still much debate and absolutely no consensus among scientists
about global warming, no matter how hard President Clinton tries to tell us
otherwise.

In 1992, over 400 scientists from around the world signed the Heidelberg
Appeal prior to the UNCED conference in Rio. They expressed their doubts
about global warming and asked the delegates not to bind the world to any
radical treaties based on global warming. Today scientists agreeing with the
Heidelberg Appeal number over 4,000!

The UN's IPCC report on climate change put together by atmospheric
scientists meeting in Bonn, Germany last year had significant sections by
atmospheric scientists who said there is not enough data to suggest that man
is radically altering the temperature on the planet.

When the report was published, however, the United Nations had
systematically removed that information in over a dozen pages to 

[CTRL] NSA's declassified VENONA cryptology project (some P.R. too ;)

1999-10-19 Thread Dave

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http://www.nsa.gov:8080/docs/venona/index.html


Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart

ntroduction to the VENONA Project
An Effort to Digitize and Enhance the VENONA Documents
by Mr. William P. Crowell, Former Deputy Director, National Security Agency
In July 1995 the Intelligence Community ended a 50-year silence regarding
one of cryptology's most splendid successes - the VENONA Project. VENONA was
the codename used for the U.S. Signals Intelligence effort to collect and
decrypt the text of Soviet KGB and GRU messages from the 1940's. These
messages provided extraordinary insight into Soviet attempts to infiltrate
the highest levels of the United States Goverment.
 Today, we are proud to offer these exceptional documents on the NSA home
page and we invite you to study and interpret them in the context of
history. NSA has declassified over 3000 messages related to VENONA. We
believe they will not only provide a window into Soviet espionage during the
1940's, but will also give you a glimpse of the important contributions
signals intelligence and cryptographic expertise make to our nation's
security.


Introductory History of VENONA and Guide to the Translations
Pictures
VENONA Historical Monograph #2: The 1942-43 New York - Moscow KGB Messages
Pictures
VENONA Historical Monograph #3: The 1944-45 New York and Washington - Moscow
KGB Messages
Pictures
VENONA Historical Monograph #4: The KGB in San Francisco and Mexico City and
the GRU in New York and Washington Messages
Pictures
VENONA Historical Monograph #5: The KGB and GRU in Europe, South America,
and Australia Messages
Pictures
VENONA Historical Monograph #6: New Releases, Special Reports, and Project
Shutdown
Pictures

  Cryptologic History
  Introduction
Audio rendition

MPEG rendition

Monographs

Chronology

Document Images
(GIF and Postscript)

"Remembrances of VENONA"
by Mr. William P. Crowell


National Cryptologic Museum

NSA Home Page

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[CTRL] Effects of Electromagnetic Energy on Biological Functions

1999-10-19 Thread Dave
Title: 


http://ortho.lsumc.edu/Faculty/Marino/EL/EL8/Part38.html
Dave Hartleyhttp://www.Asheville-Computer.comhttp://www.ioa.com/~davehart

PART THREE: 
Laboratory Studies of the Adaptability of 
Organisms to Electromagnetic Energy





Chapter 8: 

  Effects of Electromagnetic Energy on Biological 
  Functions
  
Introduction
Intermediary 
Metabolism
Reproduction, 
Growth and Healing
Mutagenesis
Uncontrolled 
Variables
Summary
References





Chapter 
7 | Chapter 
9
Table of 
Contents





Marino Home Page 
| Research 
Interests





[CTRL] FW: Hulda Clark News, Frank Jerome STORM TROOPERS AT THE GATE

1999-10-19 Thread Dave

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Dave Hartley
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http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


-Original Message-
From: Tangerine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 7:12 PM
Subject: Hulda Clark News


Hello all,

Please pardon the delay in news from me, I left Northern CA to go to
Southern CA and meet the Dr. Clark folks.  We are in negotiations regarding
her publicity while her legal team works on her defense.

Thank you,

Tangerine Bolen
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From: "Geoff Clark" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Undisclosed Recipients" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Sunday
Date: Sun, Oct 17, 1999, 6:52 PM


Dr. Clark has decided not to ask to leave Indiana for at least two months*
in order to work with her attorney and prepare her defense. She does not
believe, six years ago or now, that her activities constituted practicing
medicine without a license. She believes that if the law says her
non-invasive, non-prescription actions require a medical license, then the
law should be fought!

Frank Jerome had similar thoughts as I have attached below.

[*Dr. Clark will ask to go to Colorado next weekend as she is being honored
as "Scientist Of The Year" at a symposium for Alternative Science.]

Geoff Clark, Self Health Resource Center
1055 Bay Blvd. Suite A, Chula Vista, CA 91911 USA
619-409-9500, fax 619-409-9501, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Home Page: http://www.shrc.net


-Original Message-
From: frank jerome [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 1999 10:38 AM

  STORM TROOPERS AT THE GATE

“Those who nobly set out to be their brother’s keepers sometimes end up by
becoming his jailer.  Every emancipation has in it the seeds of a new
slavery, and every truth easily becomes a lie.”
I. F. Stone, American Journalist (1907-1989)

Last night my wife Linda and I had the pleasure of seeing The Sound of Music
starring Richard Chamberlain (a first rate production).  In the second act
there is a scene at the music festival.  It opens with an empty stage and
suddenly three huge Nazi flags drop from the ceiling: three huge red flags
with huge black and white swastikas.  I was raised in the 1940's so
anti-Nazi propaganda was common, but  I was not ready for the visceral
reaction that grabbed at my heart.  If I could have gotten out of the row
without stepping on a dozen people I would have left.  I tried to calm
myself telling myself it was only a play I had seen dozens of times (I
produced an amateur production once.).  It didn’t work.  I was very upset.

A few minutes later when the play was over and Linda and I were walking to
our car,  I asked her if the scene had upset her.  She said it had.  I asked
her what it reminded her of and she answered “Dr. Clark.”  I said that was
how it had affected me.

What we have seen happen to Dr. Clark over the last month is just like the
Nazi’s Gestapo storm trooper tactics that were portrayed in the play.  The
use of force to intimidate those who do not share their viewpoint.  The
“thought police” in action.  The only choice is to submit or flee.  There is
another way-YOU CAN FIGHT!

I started to think about who is it that is telling us, telling Americans,
what they can think and how they can act?  It is not the practicing medical
doctors who must struggle to do their best under the growing insurance
bureaucracy who are behind these tactics.  It is the medical establishment
made up of state medical boards and medical schools who first want to
control these very doctors.   As an offshoot they want to control anyone
else who might wish to treat ill people.

To control medical doctors they can stop them from having hospital
privileges which can force them out of a community.  If that tactic fails
they can attack their license.  These are very strong economic pressures
that usually work to keep medical doctors in line.  To control non-medical
doctors they had to create laws that fit their needs.  They wrote the laws
they wanted and had legislators pass them.  They used the argument that they
are concerned that people may be hurt by non-medical doctors.  It did hurt
their cause that they gave generously to the legislators’ reelection
campaigns.  After passing these laws state by state, the medical
establishments took total control of  “real doctors” and have the laws to
attack anyone else.  All this has taken place in less than 100 years.

Who are these people anyway?  Would it shock you to find out that they are
white men?  Almost all doctors until very recently have been white men.
They work with other white men at the insurance companies many of which the
physicians formed (Blue Cross/Blue Shield).  Only reluctantly did the white
men allow women and minorities to become over the last few decades.  The
real power at the top is still held by white men.


They say they want this control to protect the public.  There is another way
to see it, i.e., a way to maintain their control over the trillion dollars
spent on the medical treatments.  If the 

[CTRL] Statist Memetic Infections

1999-10-19 Thread lloyd

 -Caveat Lector-

..

Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
From: James Daugherty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:  Statist Memetic Infections
Date: Sunday, October 17, 1999 9:20 PM

Well, James, you simply keep proving that we are working out
of totally different paradigms of reality,

James Responds:  All paradigms of reality are theories.  All are probably
false in many respects as they, by definition, run far beyond what is
rigorously testable by the scientific method.   The consensus paradigm is
provided by the State and for the State.   It is full of fantasy that
supports the State.Even though you claim to be a libertarian you seem to
accept much of the consensus reality of the State.  Did I detect an
inordinate belief in the "British" tradition of "liberty"?  Much of that
tradition is nonsense, though quite sophisticated nonsense to support the
British State, the British Monarch, and British Imperialism.

or, to put it more bluntly, that
I'm working from reality and you're working from fantasy. I make a whole
series of substantive criticisms of the way that you go about your analysis
of the world, and, instead of focusing on any of those points or responding
to any of those points, you say I'm "lying about you" because you really
didn't mean that it was a bad thing that Reagan and the Pope "conspired" to
liberate Poland. [Then why did you bring it up as a "conspiracy" James?
Isn't a "conspiracy" a bad thing in your world?]

James Responds:  You will never catch me saying conspiracy is necessarily a
"bad" thing...it is constant and everywhere and relative.  The Pope and
Reagan's plan was good for US Imperialism, bad for Soviet Imperialism,
problematical for British Imperialism, good for the Germans etc.  Why do you
project simple mindedness?  Never heard of the subjective theory of value?
A praxeological principle that applies to human action including conspiracy.
It may be possible to define an objective "good" and "bad", but certainly
the validity of conspiracy theory does not rest upon such an accomplishment.

You also contend that you
have NEVER stated that the Queen is head of the International Drug Cartel,
although you persistently and always maintain equally absurd things about
the royal family [such as their desire AND ABILITY to rule the world].

James Responds:  No desire for world rule?  Now that is rich.  The Royal
Family patronized the Rhodes/Milner Round Table Groups at the turn of the
Century for nothing?  The Royal Family has seen themselves as world
conquerors, Caesars or Alexanders, for Centuries.  Never said they had the
ability under current circumstances to rule the world.  Quite the contrary I
have stated that they are one of several geopolitical power groups.
Compared to their prime prior to WWI when they were fairly close to ruling
the world, they are hard pressed, fighting against other power groups for
control of the American "dumb giant" super-power.

The problem we're having, James, is that you can't seem to address any of
my substantive points

James Responds:  What substantive points?...one would think you would
mention again these VERY cogent points.  Please state them concisely without
lying so I can deal with them.  That should be a real challenge for you.

, but pick at every small tangential point possible. I
tend to view that as either psychosis or, much more likely, blatantly and
consistently dishonest and a very deliberate attempt to draw attention away
from the substance of my responses to you and your fellow conspiracy
fanatics. You, on the other hand, state that I "consistently lie," although
the only "lies" you point to are fairly justifiable characterizations of
what you say every day.

James Responds:  I pick at your characterizations because they are
mischaracterizations.   Your lies are all that makes them "work".  Your
compulsive lying behavior is probably a subconscious defense of the Statist
memes that infect your mind.

Doesn't seem like there is much middle ground, does there? You think I'm a
compulsive lier, and I think that you're a psychotic and/or a deliberate
deceiver [or, in the technical language that you may feel more at home
with, "a confusion agent"].

James Responds:  There are many paradigms of reality that people can hold in
the face of the same data.  Not at all surprising that there is little
middle ground between folk within varying memetic fields.  There should be a
wide gap between advocates of liberty and memetically manipulated "cells" of
the State.  Check your premises!

James

Craig

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[CTRL] Internet protocol proposal raises privacy concerns

1999-10-19 Thread Dave
Title: 


http://home.cnet.com/category/0-1005-200-852235.html
Dave Hartleyhttp://www.Asheville-Computer.comhttp://www.ioa.com/~davehartInternet protocol proposal 
raises privacy concerns By Courtney MacavintaStaff Writer, CNET 
News.comOctober 14, 1999, 4:00 a.m. PT 
Privacy groups are scrambling 
to influence the outcome of a proposed new Internet protocol in the wake of 
revelations that the standard could make it easier for companies and law 
enforcement to monitor Net users. 
Next month, the Internet Engineering Task 
Force (IETF) will decide whether a new standard for assigning Internet 
protocol numbers--which all devices need to hook into the Net--should improve 
the ability of law enforcement to tap online communications, such as phone calls 
carried over the global network. Another feature being proposed also could 
improve the ability to track Net users through unique identifiers attached to 
their computers' IP numbers. 
This week's outcry resembles the one that surrounded protests against 
serial numbers embedded in Intel chips that consumer groups said could be used to trace Net users. 
The same groups are waking up to the privacy implications of the new IP 
standard--Internet protocol version 6 (IPv6)--which could eventually affect 
every Net user if it is widely adopted. 
"There is a basic concern about technologies that could create a sort of a 
national ID number through the Net," said Ari Schwartz, a policy analyst for the 
Center for Democracy and Technology, which is 
reviewing the protocol. 
A unique number known as an IP 
address designates every device connected to the Internet. Unlike a person's 
phone number, however, IP addresses are usually assigned to Net users every time 
they access the network, which makes it difficult to track their online travels 
from session to session. Under the new protocol, those numbers wouldn't change 
as often. A Net user could have the same IP number for more than a year, for 
example. 
Already companies like Microsoft, Apple, Sun, MCI WorldCom, and IBM have 
endorsed IPv6, and the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority, which is responsible 
for allocating Internet addresses, issued numbers based on the new standard for 
the first time in July. Some observers say the new protocol could be fully 
implemented within four years. 
IPv6 was developed in response to a potential shortage of IP numbers and 
other infrastructure issues. There are 4 billion IP numbers, but the supply of 
free numbers is expected to dwindle because of devices that require static IP 
addresses, such as cable Net access. 
Proponents of the proposed standard say it will increase the IP pool--the 
same way adding a new area code increases the amount of phone numbers 
available--and could provide for better security while supporting wireless 
phones and other network devices. 
Members of the IETF say that both issues--the government surveillance 
question and the unique identification numbers--have yet to be decided. The IETF 
has opened up the Net telephony wiretapping issue to the entire task force 
through a mailing list. 
The group usually bangs out policies in small working groups. 
The debate involves whether a federal law that requires the telephone 
infrastructure to support law enforcement wiretapping also applies to Net 
telephony. 
"The key questions are: Should the IETF develop new protocols or modify 
existing protocols to support mechanisms whose primary purpose is to support 
wiretapping or other law enforcement activities," the IETF stated in an 
announcement sent out this week. 
"If the companies who employ the IETF participants and deploy the IETF's 
technology feel that having wiretap capability is a business necessity due to 
the regulatory requirements in the countries where they want to sell their 
products, would that make a difference to the IETF position on this subject?" 
the announcement continued. 
Scott Bradner, senior technical consultant at Harvard University, who is an 
area director for the IETF, said that so far the discussion on the list has been 
strongly opposed to Net telephony wiretapping. Of the approximately 50 posts 
today, most didn't support any such plan. 
"The result of that discussion on the mailing list and the plenary at next 
month's meeting will be used to advise as to what the IETF position will be--my 
guess is that there will be a clear consensus," he said today. 
Other ways to track Net usersAside from the Net telephony 
wiretapping issue, privacy groups are concerned that IPv6 will make it easier to 
follow Net users. 
A feature to simplify hooking up devices to the Net would also assign a 
static, unique number to the device. The number would provide one more way to 
track Net users. The tag could be used to collect marketing data or to build a 
detailed user profile in conjunction with Web site registration forms, for 
example. 
"It certainly raises real concerns, because it will be embedded--like a 
fingerprint or ID that 

[CTRL] [Fwd: Investigative Dossier on USCMike1- Who the Hell is USCMike1?????]]

1999-10-19 Thread Nicola Molloy

 -Caveat Lector-

He keeps us up to date on the NWO.

 Original Message 
Subject: SNET: Investigative Dossier on USCMike1- "Who the Hell is
USCMike1?"
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:38:36 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


-  SNETNEWS  Mailing List

(sent to USCMike1's 31,601+ readers - Please repost to your own mailing
lists
- Thanks)


Dear Citizens, Patriots, Veterans, et al:

   Bob Di Falco [EMAIL PROTECTED] askes the question that
everybody
asks:   "Who the Hell is USCMike1???"

   Here is a moderately indepth dossier on him (me) from the standpoint
of
what I write about and why, and a little about my background.

 Subj: info
 Date:  8/3/99 11:20:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time
 From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (bob di falco)
 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


 dear mike,

 1) i use a call name 'florio' 'two' = 'floriotwo'

 2) does your 'usc' stand for univ of so. calif.??? if not, what?
 and, why mike "1"? - its okay if you dont answer these q's, but if
 not too intrusive i am nosey enough to ask...

 3) if easy to do, please email a copy of
 your pro forma summary of your forum,
 so i have a gist of what you do...

 thanks

 bob
 ... 


Dear Bob:

   Thanks for your response and request for information.

USC originally stood for University of Southern California as I was
studying there in the fields of emergency medicine and Gerontology (the
study
of aging and longevity from conception thru birth, maturity, old age and
what
causes death.)

   However, since I have been online for the past 3 years the USC stands
for
United States Constitutional. The "1" stands for the number one guy at
USC
and the number one Patriot.  There is already a USC [EMAIL PROTECTED] (who
also
went to USC and he is an attorney up in northern California) and he has
to
forward e-mails to me that have been missent to him but meant for me).

I spell my screen name as [EMAIL PROTECTED]  The other guy above
uses all
caps and separated into two words.  My name is one word with only the
USC  M
capitalized and with the number "1" appended.  AOL can't tell the
difference
except for the number one cuz it is not case nor space sensitive.

  I have NO pro forma summary of my forum cuz I DON'T HAVE a forum.
Everything I do is solely my own personal e-mails sent out by hand, no
automatic newsgroups.

  I have NO website as dozens of my readers post my materials on their
websites.

   I have NO chat rooms or message boards as I send out everything by
hand
(there is NOTHING automatic) that I personally write, author, create, or
comment on.  I send out copies of posts I have received that I feel are
important for Citizens, Patriots, Veterans, Militia, Families, and
Christians
should be informed about.  Usually, first I read the post and write my
own
comments then append the original post that I commented on so everybody
can
"get it from the horses mouth" so to speak and I do that for
documentation.
Doing that has saved my butt many times.

   I usually don't straight forward posts unless there are attached
files or
if I don't make much of a comment on them.  I usually highlight, copy,
paste
to a new e-mail window and resend it.  That way I am sure the info got
sent
and I send a copy back to myself just to double check.  And I strip out
most
of the internet header pathway documentation because sometimes that is
longer
than the original post.  Many of my readers have @juno.com and long
posts are
rejected by them and other cheap ISPs or that don't accept attachments.

   I try to leave in the documentation of WHO wrote the post and WHO
forwarded it to me so there is some type of tracking or tracing
capability if
readers want more detailed information.  And I try to include e-mail
addresses and web site addresses and include blue, point-and-click
hyperlinks
for easier access to the original documentation for my readers.

Some of my posts are merely a one sentence to one paragraph comment
on
ANY size "forwarded" post.  Sometimes I may write 3 to 5 to 10 pages
regarding a very important post even if it is only one page, one
paragraph,
or one sentence.  But the reason I do that is because it struck a nerve
in me
and I need to inform my readers and give much needed background
information
and to explain to newcomers what is happening and why and what to
expect.

   I usually change the title or subject heading and re-write it so it
makes
sense and is more telling and revealing (like it says it all in a
nutshell)
and a more provocative title so it will grab the reader so they will
read it
if I think it is that important.

  Usually what I write in my comments is an explanation of what the post
is
about and what its significance is and how it may affect my readers.  In
addition to being provocative, at times, I may "play the devil's
advocate"
and make truthful but possibly inflammatory statements or explanations
especially about "What If" senarios and what a particular news item
"could"
lead 

Re: [CTRL] [MC] The Real Thing - A review by Jim Keith

1999-10-19 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

 -Caveat Lector-

A very interesting post.  I've always detested coca cola, and I'm beginning
to understand why.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Fwd: Syria/Israel

1999-10-19 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

My very first question is--And just how are they going to divide up Lebanon,
 since they both seem to feel complete authority there.  Prudy

In a message dated 10/18/1999 11:29:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 STRATFOR.COM
 Global Intelligence Update
 October 19, 1999

 Clock Ticks Louder for Israeli-Syrian Peace Talks


 Summary:

 There are growing signs that if there is to be a peace deal between
 Syria and Israel, it will have to happen sooner rather than later.
 The factors leading to this imperative are a succession crisis in
 Syria  - which may produce more intransigent parties in power - and
 Israeli security and domestic political concerns. These factors,
 which have been forcing the two countries apart, may also act to
 bring them together.


 Analysis:

 On Oct. 17, Jordanian Foreign Minister Abdul-Illah Khatib flew to
 Damascus to discuss the Israeli-Syrian peace process with Syrian
 President Hafez Assad. Khatib reportedly passed along a message
 from King Abdullah II, who met with U.S. President Clinton last
 week. A Syrian presidential spokesman did not disclose what was
 discussed; however, it is believed that the two discussed a formula
 to restart the peace talks.

 This was only the latest in a series of apparent attempts by Israel
 and Syria to accelerate the peace process through Jordanian mediation.
 [ http://www.stratfor.com/MEAF/commentary/m9909161906.htm ] Despite
 the recent activity, there are signs that direct negotiations
 between Israel and Syria are being impeded by each country's
 domestic political concerns. Ironically, these are the same
 concerns that make it imperative that the peace process be
 initiated sooner rather than later.

 The major factor both accelerating and impeding the process is the
 looming succession crisis resulting from Syrian President Assad's
 failing health. Domestic politics in Israel demands its negotiators
 garner enough security guarantees to make their planned pullout
 from Lebanon next year feasible. This goal is threatened by the
 emerging succession crisis, which could result in Syria taking a
 harder line in future negotiations. Israeli Intelligence Chief Maj.
 Gen. Amos Malka has already expressed concerns about the
 deteriorating health of Assad and its possible implications for the
 Israeli-Syrian negotiations
 [ http://www.stratfor.com/MEAF/commentary/m9910142114.htm ].

 Meanwhile, concerned that it is losing bargaining leverage due to
 Assad's failing health, the Syrian army is modernizing. The army
 sees the move both as a way to strengthen Syria's negotiating
 position and as a deterrent to any possible future Israeli
 hostilities. This action, of course, isn't helping to allay Israeli
 mistrust.

 Several reports indicate that Syria has been beefing up its
 military during the past few months. On Sept. 16, the Jerusalem
 Post cited Israeli military and intelligence sources as saying that
 Syria was continuing to develop longer-range derivatives of the
 Scud C surface-to-surface missiles, capable of delivering chemical
 and biological weapons. There are suspicions that both China and
 Iran are aiding Syria in this effort. Chinese Defense Minister Chi
 Haotian was in Damascus Oct. 16 to discuss military cooperation
 with Syrian Defense Minister Mustafa Tlass.

 Syria is also apparently discussing large-scale arms purchases with
 Russia. News of a $2 billion deal was widely reported in June
 1999. The purchases are said to include S-300 anti-aircraft missile
 systems, MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters, T-80 tanks, and anti-tank
 weapons. The aircraft and anti-aircraft systems are particularly
 significant, as the Syrian air force is still largely made up of
 increasingly antiquated MiG-21 fighter aircraft - which would
 likely fare badly against Israel's modern F-15s and F-16s.

 Syria has also increased its hard-line rhetoric in recent days,
 either to boost its position at the bargaining table or due to real
 anti-peace sentiment emanating from certain factions. Some military
 and political leaders emphasized that Syria is not prepared to
 "sell out" in order to get a deal with Israel.

 On Oct. 16, Syrian Army Chief of Staff Ali Aslan said that "under
 no circumstances will we compromise our rights, cede our land, or
 relinquish our dignity. If this [peace] is not achieved, we are not
 in a hurry; for Syria does not give into threats, pressures or
 slanders." In that same speech, which marked Syrian aviation day,
 he urged the Syrian air force to boost its "combat preparedness."
 On Oct. 17, the government-controlled Tishrin newspaper said the
 Israeli plan for a unilateral withdrawal from Southern Lebanon was
 "blackmail against Beirut and Damascus because the Israelis are not
 serious [in their pullback proposals]."

 Another indication that the talks need to get moving soon - while
 at the same time tension builds - is a report from the United Arab
 Emirates' al-Bayan. The Oct. 16 report said that Israel 

Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) ZNet Commentary / Oct 19 / Cynthia Peters / Class ...

1999-10-19 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

 -Caveat Lector-

A wonderful review and comment.  Of course, Ms. Peters should realize that no
revolution could come off without bottled water being available at all times.
 Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: The Population Control Agenda 2/2

1999-10-19 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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It is my private opinion that you do not need to worry about "population
control."  If a good vaccine for ebola is achieved, I imagine the powers that
be will vaccinate those they wish to keep and just start the ball rolling.
This should weed out the excess population in just a few weeks, and allow the
remainder to have "living space."  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] AMA supports One Day In Peace, January 1, 2000!

1999-10-19 Thread Dave

 -Caveat Lector-

hmmm it'd be just dandy if they'd express their sentiment by ceasing the
WAR on alternative healthcare, the WAR on cancer's victims, AZT victims,
etc
Until a great number of people wake up and smell the coffee-  the dazzling
rollouts of new drug after new drug after new drug IS NOT WORKING- it is
CREATING "resistant" disease, it is RUINING people's health... in the U.S.
it is DIRECTLY KILLING 100,000+ per year  the ONLY way it's working is
that the $1 trillion drug industry is the most profitable industry in the
U.S. and has a near stranglehold over the rest of the planet's healthcare
options, forging ahead through the tried and true political machinations in
foisting drugs onto the world population through efforts of CDC, WHO,  co.

If the AMA  associated COMMERCIAL MONOPOLISTS are all of a sudden
overwhelmed with a sense of responsibility for adhering to the Hippocratic
oath, let them show it by CEASING to persecute alternative healthcare
practitioners at the very same time as they are trying to exploit the
marketplace in alternatives to the rapidly failing pharmaceutical paradigm.

Perhaps one place that the AMA could show some good faith would be by using
their REMARKABLE political power to get the State off the back of Hulda
Clark who is is being honored
as "Scientist Of The Year" at a symposium for Alternative Science next week
in Colorado and is currently being persecuted by AMA sponsored legislative
implementation in the hands of the legal establishment in Bowen County,
Indiana.
see:
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/issues/huldaclark.html

Until I see some movement AWAY from DECADES of suppression and persecution,
the AMA is one group that will always come immediately to mind when I hear
Bruce Cockburn sing "If I had a Rocket Launcher" 

When I think of this HUGE MONOLITHIC monopoly of science and pseudoscience,
the GARGANTUAN interwoven monetary ties and political machinations of the
AMA and the modern medical MACHINE, it is just like a big U.S. F-16 jet
fighter all gleaming and polished and fueled and full of deadly cargo.
a rocket launcher is just what it brings to mind...

It is too bad that somewhere along the line, nearly everyone who seems to
want to help people in the  medical field gets sidetracked into golf courses
and stock portfolios. Dollars are one of the biggest drugs of all, eh?
Some few have spoken the truth about the pharmaceutical/medical/industrial
complex.
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart/medicalmafia.htm
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart/murderinject.htm
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart/altmedcon.htm


Send your comments and opinions to some or all of the following:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Mascolini, International AIDS Society
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  International Association of Physicians in AIDS Care
http://www.iapac.org/
"Funded in part by individual membership dues   (imagine that, eh?)
and unrestricted educational grants from:
Abbott Laboratories
Agouron Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
Bristol-Myers Squibb Company
DuPont Pharmaceuticals Company
Ortho Biotech Inc.
Pharmacia
Upjohn, Inc.
Roche Diagnostics
Roxane Laboratories, Inc."
for information on many of these firms see:
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Or call
Editorial Inquiry, JAMA  Archives Journals
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Phone: 312-464-2402
Fax: 312-464-5824

Editorial Inquiry, American Medical News
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Dave Hartley
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-Original Message-
From: steve diamond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 11:58 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: AMA supports "One Day In Peace, January 1, 2000!"




American Medical Association
Physicians dedicated to the health of America

D. Ted Lewers, MD
Chair, Board of Trustees

October 1, 1999

Robert Alan Silverstein,
Co-Director, One Day in Peace Campaign

Dear Mr. Silverstein:

The American Medical Association (AMA) and its Young Physicians Section
recently voted to support the One Day in Peace for January 1, 2000 Campaign.
As physicians, we are committed to treating all suffering, ensuring that all
populations receive equitable health care, and discouraging situations where
suffering may occur.

The AMA also will encourage physicians to work within their local hospitals
on a state and national level to support the principles of the "One Day in
Peace for January 1, 2000" Campaign.

We are pleased to have the opportunity to join with you in this important
undertaking, and look forward to a successful initiative.

Sincerely,

D. Ted Lewers, MD, Chairman, AMA Board of Directors

Stuart Gitlow, MD MPH
Chair Young Physicians Section

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Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) ZNet Commentary / Oct 19 / Cynthia Peters / Class ...

1999-10-19 Thread Bill Kalivas

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What about drilling our own wells? I know it's illegal in some areas, and
we'd never do anything illegal now..would we?

Bill


  -Caveat Lector-

A wonderful review and comment.  Of course, Ms. Peters should realize that no
revolution could come off without bottled water being available at all times.
  Prudy

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[CTRL] Unicef death merchants killed

1999-10-19 Thread Dave

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In regard to your article below, perhaps you are failing to consider the
self-defense aspects?

Vaccines are deadly. If someone was attempting to force a vaccine on SOMEONE
ELSE's children WITHOUT informed consent, I shouldn't be too surprised if
that person were killed, it seems like God's justice to me.

Read these books before you continue violating God's laws:
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart/murderinject.htm
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart/medicalmafia.htm

Perhaps political meddling and do-gooding is to blame for these deaths?


Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart



Wednesday, 13 October 1999: UNICEF called today for a sea-change in the way
the international community handles the protection of humanitarian aid
workers. The call came one day after the killings in Burundi of the UNICEF
Representative and a staff member from the World Food Programme.

"What we saw yesterday in Burundi was a calculated, cold-blooded murder of
humanitarian workers, plain and simple," said UNICEF Executive Director
Carol Bellamy.

"We cannot and should not view these killings as an isolated incident. They
are part of a contemporary and continually expanding pattern in which
humanitarian workers are being identified and targeted for death -- a
pattern the world simply can no longer tolerate," she said.

Ms. Bellamy noted that Tuesday's deaths brought to four the number of UN
workers killed in the field in as many weeks.

"Individual states must now clearly understand that the growing number of
killings constitutes a crisis requiring urgent action, rather than mere
hand-wringing and polite expressions of condolence," she said. "Even as the
world demands that humanitarian relief be provided to civilians in need -
and properly so -- there has been a simultaneous lack of regard for the
realities in which aid workers operate. Put simply, there has been too much
looking away from what needs to be done, and people are paying with their
lives."

Ms. Bellamy pointed out that humanitarian organisations and their staff in
the field depend for their physical protection on universal adherence to
humanitarian conventions and international law.

"But in a world in which the number of militant groups failing to respect
the sanctity of life -- much less the sanctity of humanitarian principles --
is multiplying, it is our conviction that governments must demand such
respect through strict enforcement of laws," Ms. Bellamy said. "The
international community and individual states must not allow those who kill
humanitarian workers to do so with impunity."

She said hard choices must be made regarding the disarmament of militias and
other armed groups around the world, and noted that governments and
international bodies that allow these violent groups to flourish unwittingly
contribute to the destruction and loss of life that all-too-often follows in
their wake. The killing of humanitarian workers in the Great Lakes Region of
Africa can be traced directly to the failure of the international community
to disarm the genocidaires in the refugee camps of former Zaire after their
exodus from Rwanda.

Acknowledging that solutions are not easy, Ms. Bellamy observed that simply
pulling out of dangerous environments must be a step of last resort for the
UN agencies. "It is really not an acceptable solution at all," she said,
"because it is precisely in these situations that civilian populations are
most at risk."

"In East and West Timor, in Kosovo, in Colombia and in countries all over
Africa, people are in need of urgent humanitarian assistance. And dozens of
agencies and thousands of courageous individuals are willing to stay there
to provide that assistance," Ms. Bellamy said. "We are now calling on the
international community -- and governments in particular -- to put their
heads and their collective wills together to reverse the tide of violence
that is eating away at the very idea of humanitarian relief."

She added: "UN agencies cannot by themselves bring about the needed changes.
Nor can they continue to operate in flashpoints of danger and conflict
without full security guarantees for all their personnel. Clearly, the
governments on whose behalf the UN agencies act must assume total
responsibility for ensuring that security. If they continue to avoid that
responsibility, they abandon defenseless men, women and children to the
mindless brutality of armed thugs and terrorists.

"We owe it to those courageous humanitarian workers who have already given
their lives to set a new course: one that allows relief assistance to be
provided wherever and whenever necessary, but which is also founded upon an
unshakeable and shared commitment to protect those who serve."

See also the press release on the killing of the UN workers.



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[CTRL] Arms dealer's 'in' was through Clinton friend (fwd)

1999-10-19 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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October 19, 1999

Arms dealer's 'in' was through Clinton friend

By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

The Democratic National Committee invited a Chinese arms dealer
to a White House coffee with President Clinton at the insistence
of Washington investment counselor Ernest G. Green, a longtime
presidential pal whom the Justice Department's campaign finance
task force is now investigating.

  Richard Sullivan, a former DNC finance chairman, told the
Senate Governmental Affairs Committee at a July 1997 deposition
that an invitation to arms dealer Wang Jun for the February 1996
coffee was "obviously a mistake" but it had been issued as a
favor to Mr. Green.

  Mr. Sullivan, who coordinated DNC efforts to target
big-dollar donors, including Democratic fund-raiser Charles Yah
Lin Trie, told committee lawyers that DNC officials advised him
the Wang invitation was "important for Ernie and Charlie" -- a
reference to Mr. Green and Trie.

  "It was a mistake, . . . obviously a mistake," Mr. Sullivan
testified. "It was something, as I understood it, that was
important that Ernie had this guy in town doing business. Ernie
had been a longtime supporter, and it was purely as a favor to
Ernie."

  The task force investigation of Mr. Green began earlier
this year after the House Government Reform Committee filed a
criminal referral with the Justice Department. The referral said
Mr. Green sought to "mislead this committee and the Senate
Committee on Governmental Affairs" concerning his donations to
the DNC.

  "As you may know, Mr. Green is a longtime friend of
President Clinton," said Rep. Dan Burton, Indiana Republican and
committee chairman, in a March 12 letter to Attorney General
Janet Reno. " . . . I hope you can conduct this investigation
with the vigor and impartiality it deserves."

  Mr. Green's attorney, Larry Barcella, confirmed an inquiry
is under way but said it would clear his client of any
wrongdoing.

  The task force, lawyers and others close to the inquiry
said, wants to know if Mr. Green made improper campaign
contributions to the DNC, if he was illegally reimbursed, if the
contributions were sought in exchange for Mr. Wang's White House
visit and if Mr. Green lied about the cash gifts under oath to
the Senate and House committees.

  On the day of the Feb. 6, 1996, coffee, Mr. Green made a
$50,000 donation to the DNC in two checks of $20,000 and $30,000,
according to Federal Election Commission records. Over the next
nine months, he gave an additional $7,500. In 1995, Mr. Green
donated $250.

  At the time of the coffee, Mr. Wang -- a former officer in
the People's Liberation Army -- was chairman of a Chinese arms
company known as Poly Technologies Inc., which makes weapons for
the Chinese military. The firm came under investigation in
February 1996 by the U.S. Customs Service in a smuggling
operation. Customs identified Poly Technologies as the source of
2,000 AK-47s delivered to drug dealers and street gangs in the
United States.

  Mr. Green and Trie, who has since pleaded guilty to
campaign finance abuses and agreed to cooperate in the task force
investigation, helped Mr. Wang obtain a U.S. visa to attend the
White House coffee. Both wrote letters of recommendation to the
U.S. Embassy for Mr. Wang for the visa, which was issued on Jan.
22, 1996.

  Mr. Green, managing director at Lehman Brothers Inc. in
Washington, has steadfastly denied that the $50,000 donation was
connected to Mr. Wang's White House visit.

  He told the House committee that he made the donation out
of a long-standing desire to contribute large amounts to the
Democratic Party and the cash came from his Lehman Brothers
earnings.

  But House investigators said they believe the $50,000 might
not have come entirely from Mr. Green's own money. They said bank
records document 11 trips he made to two banks between Dec. 15,
1995, and Feb. 23, 1996 -- at the time of the White House coffee
-- to deposit more than $30,000.

  The records said that on Feb. 9, 1996, he made four
deposits for $8,000. Mr. Green could not recall the source of the
money or the circumstances of the multiple deposits, but he told
the panel the money could have come from speaking engagements at
churches and schools. He could not provide corroborating evidence
requested by the House panel.

  Mr. Clinton has said it was "clearly inappropriate" for Mr.
Wang to have been included among coffee guests but that "nothing
inappropriate" occurred.

  Mr. Green, one of the "Little Rock Nine," who integrated
Central High School in the wake of the 1954 Supreme Court
decision in Brown vs. Board of Education, celebrated the event
last week with Mr. Clinton.


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[CTRL] Survey Links Gulf War Syndrome to Nerve-Gas Antidote

1999-10-19 Thread Lucio Benedetto

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October 19, 1999
http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/washpol/gulfwar-syndrome.html

Survey Links Gulf War Syndrome to Nerve-Gas Antidote

By STEVEN LEE MYERS

WASHINGTON -- A scientific survey underwritten by the Pentagon has concluded
that an experimental drug given to American troops during the Persian Gulf
war to protect against a nerve gas may be responsible for the chronic
illnesses afflicting tens of thousands of veterans.

The report, to be released at a news conference on Tuesday, is the first
commissioned by the Pentagon to identify a possible cause for the illnesses,
which have collectively come to be known as gulf war syndrome. It sharply
contradicts two earlier Government studies -- by a Presidential commission
and by the Institute of Medicine -- that ruled out the drug as a cause.

The drug, pyridostigmine bromide, or P.B., was distributed to 250,000 to
300,000 of the nearly 700,000 American troops sent to the Persian Gulf in
1990 and 1991 as a "pretreatment" for potential Iraqi attacks with the nerve
agent soman. While the drug has been used since 1955 to treat a rare
neurological disorder, its use as an antidote to soman is still regarded as
experimental.

More than 100,000 veterans have reported experiencing symptoms associated
with gulf war syndrome, including chronic fatigue, muscle pain, memory loss
and sleep disorders. But because of the Pentagon's acknowledged shoddy
record keeping in the war, it may be impossible to know how many of those
took the drug and in what quantities.

After years in which the Pentagon has systematically discounted possible
explanations for the ailments, including stress, exposure to oil-well fires
and depleted uranium used in American bombs, the report is something of a
breakthrough.

Wary of the reaction of veterans' groups and their supporters in Congress,
Pentagon officials Monday played down the findings of the survey, which was
conducted over two years by the Rand Corporation, a nonprofit research
organization financed by the Defense Department.

"This is not a Eureka," said Dr. Sue Bailey, a physician who is the
Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs. Dr. Bailey and other
officials said they accepted the report's findings but added that more
studies were needed before a direct scientific link could be established.
They also said the Pentagon would continue to keep the drug in its arsenal
of vaccinations and antidotes for troops who might face attacks with
chemical and biological weapons, even though the survey's conclusions also
raise questions about its effectiveness against soman.

The report, which runs 385 pages and was written by Dr. Beatrice Alexandra
Golomb, is based on the findings of scores of medical studies on
pyridostigmine bromide. Dr. Golomb is a professor at the University of
California at San Diego and a physician at the Veterans Affairs medical
center in San Diego.

Her report cites studies that have linked the drug to side effects similar
to those experienced by some veterans. One study, by Hebrew University in
Israel, linked the drug to neurological disorders in mice. Another, by the
University of Texas and Duke University, concluded that when mixed with
other chemicals it could cause nerve damage.

Dr. Golomb's report goes on to suggest that the drug's short-term effects
can become chronic because it causes abnormal levels of the nerve-signaling
chemical acetylcholine. The chemical is involved in many important
functions, including sleep, muscular activity, memory and pain, which have
all been cited as problems for ill veterans.

The report said research showed that individual reaction to the drug
depended on different factors, including stress, physiology and exposure to
other agents, including pesticides and even nicotine and caffeine. That
would explain why only some veterans have reported illnesses.

"One cannot rule out the possibility that long-term effects of P.B. might
occur and might participate in the production of neuropsychological and
other deficits reported by some" veterans, Dr. Golomb concludes.

Scientists and veterans' advocates have long pointed to pyridostigmine
bromide, as well as other experimental drugs given to troops in the gulf, as
one of the possible culprits in the still unexplained illnesses attributed
to gulf war syndrome. Separate reports by the House and Senate identified it
as such and called for further research into the drug's effects.

Dr. Bernard D. Rostker, the Under Secretary of the Army who is the
Pentagon's senior official overseeing gulf war illnesses, said the Pentagon
had strongly supported several studies on pyridostigmine bromide, including
Rand's, because of those concerns. He said the Pentagon was already spending
$20 million on additional research into the possible links considered in
Rand's report.

"That does not mean we have made a direct relationship between the two," he
said, referring to the drug and the syndrome. "It means we don't have enough

Re: [CTRL] Black Sun...Something interesting...Read.

1999-10-19 Thread Stopforth, Jamie

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  The picture displayed here showing the "thing" with the sword piercing the
dove Look at the sword carefully...  It's a shriners sword.  This sword
is a rather common symbol within the Mason community.  What do you all
think?

Jamie

-Original Message-
From: Michael F. Corbin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 12:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Black Sun


Here is another picture attached.  This picture is of the mural out at the
airport.  Please notice the sabre and where it is positioned to the
dove.  The "thing" that is standing there is wearing what appears to be a
gas mask or a biological warfare-type apparatus, however it also appears to
blend into his face, possibly implying something demonic.  What is
interesting is that a dove is representative of Christ or the Holy Spirit
in Christianity and you will notice that the sabre appears to be piercing
the dove in the rectal area.

Personally, I find this art repulsive and in very poor taste for a public
facility, but I may be too sensitive.  Thoughts or ideas?

Mike

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[CTRL] Black Sun... Meanings of these Pictures..?

1999-10-19 Thread Stopforth, Jamie

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 This picture here. http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/Denver3.htm   Shows 3
women... Laying down or dead as most people don't sleep on bricks.  Notice
one is an American Indian,  the other an African American and I'm not sure
what the other one is...  Any of you have any ideas?  Also. Why no men
pictured in any of these? They're all just women and children.  It appears
to me that the women are being marched off to somewhere without their
husbands... Also, notice the first woman, she's upset at something.  If you
ask me her child doesn't look to be in good health or living for that
matter... Ideas?


Jamie

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[CTRL] Hanoi Jane ...100 Women of the Century

1999-10-19 Thread Gavin Phillips

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 From:   A HREF="mailto:ChrisAire"ChrisAire/A

 Please read this and pass it on to as many as possible. To even consider her
 is an insult to everyone who wore a uniform and especially the ones who lost
 their lives or were POW's.

 For you who are too young to remember please read this very carefully. You
 may also remember that she has been one of the recent Lincoln bedroom guests!


  Subject: HANOI JANE

   Looks like Hanoi Jane will be honored as one of the "100
   Women of the Century".  JANE FONDA remembered?
   Unfortunately many have forgotten and still countless others
   have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our
   "country" but the men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam.

   There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Jane
   Fonda's participation in what I believe to be blatant treason, is
   one of them.  Part of my conviction comes from exposure to those who
   suffered her attentions.

   The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot.
   The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.  In 1978, the
   Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a former POW in Ho Lo
   Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton".

   Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed
   in clean PJs, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace
   Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received.  He spat
   at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away.

   During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp
   Commandant's feet, accidentally pulling the man's shoe off-which sent that
   officer berserk.

   In '78, the AF Col still suffered from double vision (which permanently
   ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese Col's frenzied application
   of wooden baton.

   From 1983-85, Col Larry Carrigan was the 347FW/DO (F-4Es).
   He spent 6 years in the "Hilton"-the first three of which he was
   "missing in action".  His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.
His group, too, got the cleaned/fed/clothed routine in preparation for
a "peacedelegation" visit.  They, however, had time and devised a plan
to get word to the world that they still survived.

   Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN on it, in the
   palm of his hand.  When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she
   walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little
   encouraging snippets like:  "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?"
   and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent
   captors?" Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their
   sliver of paper.  She took them all without missing a beat.
   At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked
   disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge...and handed
   him the little pile. Three men died from the subsequent beatings.

   Col Carrigan was almost number four.  For years after their release,
   a group of determined former POWs Including Col Carrigan, tried to
   bring Ms. Fonda and others up on charges of treason.  I don't know that
   they used it, but the charge of "Negligent Homicide due to Depraved
   Indifference" would also seem appropriate.

   Her obvious "granting of aid and comfort to the enemy", alone,
   should've been sufficient for the treason count.  However, to date,
   Jane Fonda has never been formally charged with anything and
   continues to enjoy the privileged life of the rich and famous.

   I, personally, think that this is shame on us, the American Citizenry.

   Part of our shortfall is ignorance: most don't know such actions ever
   took place.  Thought you might appreciate the knowledge.  Most of
   you have probably already seen this by now...only addition I might add
   to these sentiments is to remember the satisfaction of relieving myself
   into the urinal at some airbase or another where "zaps" of Hanoi Jane's
   face had been applied.

   To whom it may concern:

   I was a civilian economic development advisor in Viet Nam, and was
   captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Viet Nam in
   1968, and held for over 5 years.  I spent 27 months in solitary
   confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a
   "black box" in Hanoi.

   My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered
   a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South
   Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border.

   At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My normal weight is
  170 lbs.)  We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."

   When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist
   political officer if I would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda.  I said
 yes,
   for I would like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs were
   receiving, which was far different from the treatment purported by the
   North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as "humane and 

Re: [CTRL] The smoking of hemp

1999-10-19 Thread AOL User


In a message dated 10/18/99 4:32:20 AM, you wrote:

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, earthman wrote:


 and b.t.w. washington and jefferson traded samples of their crops;
 washington saying that a pipeful of hemp was much more pleasurable than
 a pipeful of tobacco and more enjoyable than whiskey!

 just thought you would like to know.

And I DID appreciate knowing!  Sounds like all the boys of Big
Sir in the 70s-80s!!

And, I can RELATE!
_
It wasn't just the smoke.  See attached--David


Shadow of the Swastika


Table of Contents


I   PREFACE1
II  INTRODUCTION 
 4
III THE SHADOW OF THE SWASTIKA8
U.S. CORPORATIONS AND THE NAZIS   8
WILLIAM RANDOLPH HEARST   9
ANDREW MELLON 10
DU PONT AND GENERAL MOTORS   11
THE 
US/NAZI CARTEL AGREEMENT 14
STANDARD OIL OF NEW JERSEY   15
THE FORD MOTOR COMPANY 
  20
INTERNATIONAL TELEPHONE AND TELEGRAPH22
ALLEN DULLES: ARCHITECT OF THE 
US-NAZI NETWORK   23
NOTES: U.S. CORPORATIONS AND THE NAZIS   25
THE NEW WORLD 
(DIS)ORDER 26
THE BUGGING OF WALL STREET   26
THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY28
A 
PLEDGE BETRAYED32
THE GEHLEN ORGANIZATION  36
TRIPLE CROSS 38
COLD WARRIORS
40
NOTES:THE NEW WORLD (DIS)ORDER   43
U.S. CORPORATIONS AND THE PRESIDENCY 44
RICHARD MILHOUSE NIXON   44
GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH   50
THE BUSH-DULLES-NAZI 
CONNECTION  50
EDWIN PAULEY 54
NOTES: GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH57
IV  
CONCLUSION   58
V   BIBLIOGRAPHY 59
VI  INDEX62


(The Elkhorn Manifesto) 
SHADOW OF THE SWASTIKA:

The Real Reason the Government Won't Debate
Medical 
.Re-legalization1


An Open Letter to All Americans
By R. William Davis 

Documented 
Evidence of a Secret Business and Political Alliance
Between the U.S. "Establishment" 
and the Nazis 
Before, During and After World War II - up to the Present. 


PREFACE; 

Before the Gatewood Galbraith for Governor Campaign in 1991, few 
Kentuckians knew 
that the plant that the federal government had 
demonized for over 50 years as 
"Assassin of Youth," was, in 
fact, Cannabis Hemp, the most traded commodity in the 
world until the 
mid-1800s, and our state's number one crop, industry, and most 
important 
source of .i.Hemp:revenue, source of;revenue, for over 150 years. 

Today, 
thanks to the efforts of pioneer hemp researchers and public 
advocates such as 
Galbraith, Jack Fraizer, Jack Herer, Chris Conrad, Ed 
Rosenthal, Don Wirtshafter and 
others, the federal government's 
unjustifiable suppression of our state's right to 
develop our most 
valuable and versatile natural resource, is facing increasing 
opposition 
from an informed public. Hemp is now recognized as  the number one 
agriculturally renewable raw material in the world, and perhaps the only 
crop / 
industry which can guarantee us industrial and economic 
.i.Hemp:revenue, source 
of:independence from corporations;independence 
from the trans-national corporations.2 


"Shadow of the Swastika" is a follow-up to my earlier work, "Cannabis 
Hemp: the 
Invisible Prohibition Revealed," which I wrote and published in 
support of the 
Galbraith Campaign. Since publication of that booklet, there 
has been growing public 
acceptance of the evidence that 
Marijuana:Prohibition Act of 1937, and Marijuana; 
Prohibition was created 
in 1937, not to protect society from the "evils of the drug 
Marijuana," as 
the Federal government claimed, but as an act of deliberate economic 
and 
industrial sabotage against the re-emerging Industrial Hemp Industry. 3

Previous 
investigations by hemp researchers have been limited to the 
suppression of 
free-market competition from the hemp industry, and 
focused on the activities of 
three prominent members of America's 
corporate, industrial and banking establishment 
during the mid- to 
late-1930s: 

WILLIAM RANDOLPH .i.Hearst, William Randolph;HEARST, 
the newspaper 
and magazine tycoon.
The expected rebirth of .i.cannabis; hemp as a 
less expensive source of 
pulp for paper meant his millions of acres of prime 
timberland, and 
investment in wood pulp papermaking equipment, would soon be worth 
much less. In the 1920s, about the same time as the equipment was 
developed to 
economically mass-produce raw hemp into pulp and fiber for 
paper, he began the 
.i."Reefer Madness" hoax; in his newspaper and 
magazine publications.


ANDREW 
MELLON, founder of the Gulf Oil Corporation.
He knew that cannabis hemp was an 
alternative industrial raw material 
for the production of thousands of products, 
including fuel and 
plastics, which, if allowed to compete in the free-market, would 
threaten the future profits of the oil companies. As Secretary of the 
Treasury he 
created the Federal Bureau of Narcotics 4, and appointed his 
own future 
nephew-in-law, Harry Anslinger, as director. Anslinger would 
later use the 
sensational, and totally fabricated, 

Re: [CTRL] Hanoi Jane ...100 Women of the Century

1999-10-19 Thread Tenorlove

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For precisely this reason, I say LET'S GO METS!!

Tenorlove,
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Re: [CTRL] Survey Links Gulf War Syndrome to Nerve-Gas Antidote

1999-10-19 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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 Dr. Golomb also reported that some studies on animals suggested that the
 drug might not be very effective against soman at the doses given and may in
 fact increase susceptibility to other chemical weapons.

 The drug has not been given to troops since the gulf war, but Dr. Rostker
 said the findings would not change the Pentagon's policy to use it whenever
 commanders determine that an enemy might have soman.

 "Its continued use is warranted given the fact that an exposure to soman
 would result in almost immediate death," Dr. Rostker said. 

Well, this is the best argument I've ever encountered against entering the
American military for any reason.  If they reinstitute the draft, go anywhere
else.  It sounds as if the Pentagon's residents have lost what little sense
they had when they started .  They don't really keep sloppy records; they
just lose them a lot.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Black Sun...Something interesting...Read.

1999-10-19 Thread Michael F. Corbin

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At 08:40 AM 10/19/99 -0500, you wrote:
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   The picture displayed here showing the "thing" with the sword piercing the
dove Look at the sword carefully...  It's a shriners sword.  This sword
is a rather common symbol within the Mason community.  What do you all
think?

I find that very interesting.  Reading some of the stuff posted around here
about the Mason's and their hatred of Christ and the Church, I suspect that
there is something symbolically significant about that mural.

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[CTRL] Hamlet's Mill

1999-10-19 Thread Tatman, Robert

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18, 1999
For dedicated scholars only
The Reader will find that this book is quoted in the bibliography of many if
not all recent books concerning the origins of human civilisation and the
extent of knowledge possesed by our ancestors, that it has almost become a
bible to modern researchers in this field. However, upon reading, it is not
hard to see why this should be.

The authors show compelling evidence that myth was a way of handing down
complex information in easy to manage packages within stories, and that
modern man has lost all understanding of the true nature of the myth. They
also boldly state that the majority of this information pertains primarily
to the mechanics of celestial movements and the precessional cycle.

However, it can be at times a very heavy text and can indeed be hard to
understand upon first reading, but perseverence is most rewarding. At times
the text is interupted by periodic quotes of German, Latin or French which,
if one does not know the language can cause the reader to feel that he/she
has missed some major point of the argument. Having been published in 1969,
this book is beginning to feel its age especially with the help of modern
authors explaining many of its main arguments in a much more simple and
effective way.

It is an excellent book, and one that you may go back upon in future to
study again and again. However, it is not advised for the casual reader, and
most definately not for any one with a less than passing interest in myth.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] from Wulai, Taiwan, ROC , July 18, 1999
A great, but flawed book
This book reminds me of the cowboy who jumped on his horse and rode off in
all directions. The authors try to say everything at once. By the time they
inserted their twentieth appendix (each such digression full of more
digressions in the footnotes), you'd think they would have considered
overhauling their framework and integrating everything more smoothly. Sorry.
I got tired of trying to hold onto the train of thought in the text while
wading through appendices -- 39 in all. Sloppy editing here, too, because
some appendices appear without any reference in the text. In revenge on such
authors who fill their books with untranslated quotes in German and Latin,
some day I am going to write a book full of quotes in Chinese -- in the
original archaic characters, or course -- Viet Namese, and Tayal: ima maniq
mami qaniy! I am somewhat perplexed by the authors' hostility to psychology
and practically deliberate misreading of evolution. It is more intriguing to
me to find that the same symbol is valid both psychologically and
astrologically. However, the authors insist that theirs is the one and only
possible interpretation. Too bad. The book focuses on astronomical events,
but gives us only two hard dates, in the final pages. William Sullivan's
Secret of the Incas, inspired by Hamlet's Mill, by far surpasses it in every
way. If Hamlet's Mill interests you, I urge you to read Secret of the Incas,
too. There, I have told you all the bad points about Hamlet's Mill. Were I
asked, "Should I read this book?" I would answer unequivocally, imperitively
even, Yes, absolutely yes, there's gold in these pages.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] from Santa Fe, NM , February 4, 1999
Excellent starting point for study of mythic-astronomy
This book is an excellent starting point for anyone interested in
archeo/ethno/astronomy. While there are many fine initial texts on
archeoastronomy (e.g., Krupp, Williamson), this effort demonstrates the fine
art and the complexity of interpretation of such manifestations relating to
the myth-structures of the scrutinized cultures. Some have interpreted this
effort as posing uni-modal answers (precession) to all such questions,
however, the multi-vocal aspect of myth is clearly represented to those who
will look carefully. Ten stars!

A reader from US , January 12, 1999
Leaves Much To Be Desired
If one is looking for documented back-up 

Re: [CTRL] [The real deal?] Re: A defense of reptile Sitchin (fwd)

1999-10-19 Thread Gavin Phillips

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Hello Mike:

Your information below is very interesting and is similar to my own
conclusions regarding ETs visiting earth. I know that Darwinian
macroevolution is complete nonsense having read a number of books about it.
Anyhoo, I also think that ETs have been manipulating our genes. I have a few
questions. Who, in your opinion controls the ET technology, and what are they
using it for? ( I would assume the same oligarchy that herds humankind) What
kind of communication is there between the people controlling it and ETs? How
many different Alien's are visiting earth? Are some abductions carried out by
ETs as part of a hybrid experiment? If so, why?
Thanks. Gavin.


PS. By the way, Lloyd Pye wrote a very good book, "Everything You Know Is
Wrong". Concise 72 page evisceration of Darwinism, amongst other things.



In a message dated 10/18/99 1:56:51 AM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 OK, let's first lay some "perspective" here, K?

 Since I highly respect The Goat's erudite and extremely eloquent,
 albeit many times condescending, perspectives, I wish to bring a
 counter point to his contentions regarding Sitchin, as well as my
 personal views, many derived from much of Sitchin's work.

 Firstly, I ain't no New Ager.  I follow no single or multiple
 doctrine as EDICT, EVER!

 As a reader of Cylinder Seals from Sumeria and other Mesopotamian
 Cities of the period of Ancient Flower, I can tell you that
 Sitchin's translations *are* ACCURATE.

 And, as what The Goat might wrongly assume me to be, namely some
 New Age cult worshiper of Sitchin's, I assure you all that I am
 NOT.

 Although I find it odd that The Goat, and many other seemingly
 EXTREMELY educated persons (in regards to Sitchin, and other
 TRANSLATORS), confuse the fact that Translators TRANSLATE. They
 Do Not Postulate, Embellish, or add ideas. If you don't like the
 results, DO NOT shoot the messenger.

 Granted, and unlike what The Goat seems to suggest regarding
 Sitchin's early work of some TWENTY FIVE YEARS AGO, he has gotten
 MUCH MORE "scholarly" and "objective" in the last few of his
 publications.

 [My above contention, however, is, of course, _NOT_ to include
 his last book, because that, IMO, is just an old man wishing to
 voice, FINALLY AND ON THE RECORD, his PERSONAL views of his
 life's findings.  And how can we blame the dude for that, i.e.,
 attempting to once and finally be heard regarding his personal,
 subjective views (he has always attempted to be "objective" prior
 to this last book, yet he, as any human in recorded history has
 possibly unwillingly actually been, was unsuccessful in achieving
 such...i.e., he, as all "scientists" of all times TRIED to be
 "objective," such is IMPOSSIBLE!).

 In other words, at this point in Zecharia Sitchin's life, when he
 truly has doubts as to whether he will be alive long enough to
 publish again, he, if any human ever has, deserves to have his
 personal opinions heard UNIMPEDEDLY and AS SUCH!  This last book
 of his, I believe, is such an effort, and should be viewed as
 such!


 Now, granted that, unlike what The Goat claimed regarding
 Sitchin's early work of 20+ years ago as being his best or most
 "objective," I personally believe that those early works were his
 worst, i.e., that they represented a time when he was only
 "compiling...bla bla bla," as The Goat wrongly assessed of his
 LATER WORK!

 I feel (and I realize all too well that "scientists," of which I
 AM, should not cloud issues with their personal 'feelings'...BUT
 LETS GET *_REAL_*, OKAY?!?!?!), that Sitchin is lately ONLY
 objectively reporting what the ancient Sumers truly *believed* as
 FACT!

 I happen to NOT BELIEVE THEIR "TRUTHS" TO BE SUCH, i.e., I do not
 believe, NOR DOES SITCHIN, that what these ancient HIGHLY
 INTELLIGENT Human Beings --just as intelligent as The Goat or I,
 I might add-- or any other ancient Humans recorded FACT However,
 I DO BELIEVE THAT _THEY_ BELIEVED WHAT THEY WROTE TO BE TRUE, and
 as I hope to be apparent to all that take the time to read this,
 THIS is THE IMPORTANT POINT TO THESE, and ALL, truly ancient
 writings (see all of the below for further clarification of this
 and definitions of terms as _I_ have, and will, use them).


 NOW...since it is obvious that The Goat is very learned,
 articulate, and knowledgeable, to say nothing of highly
 intelligent, I WISH PPL TO SEE HERE AND NOW that OTHER highly
 learned individuals can hold "other" VALID, yet completely
 counter, beliefs...beliefs that quite strikingly contrast to The
 Goat's seemingly very objective views of Sitchin and/or his work,
 and what it reveals as to THE REAL DEAL!

 Well then, "let's get it on," shall we?


 On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, earthman wrote:

  LOL, so come on guys... where do we all stand on the creation thing..
 

 Personally?

 First, I WISH that I was as eloquent a writer as is The Goat,
 but alas, REAL scientists often lack these same tuned skills!

 The following 

[CTRL] Shark Zone

1999-10-19 Thread Bard

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  Vol. 15, No. 41 --
November 8, 1999

Published Date October 15, 1999, in Washington,
D.C.  http://www.insightmag.com

   Shark Zone

   By Gayle M.B. Hanson


   Leading trial lawyers are
raking in the money in
   class-action lawsuits against
corporations. But
   critics say that the trend is
not helping individual
   consumers and may be ruining
the judicial
   system.

   ig fish eat little fish,
and in the shark tank that is the
   American civil-justice
system a handful of lawyers who
   brokered the
multibillion-dollar tobacco settlement now
   are in a feeding frenzy as
they prepare to take on
   health-maintenance
organizations, or HMOs.
   . . . . "The first thing to
recognize is that these lawyers can bring
   resources to the table that
are unavailable to other attorneys
   simply because of their
wealth," says Sherman Joyce, president
   of the Americans for Tort
Reform Association. "Look at
   Richard Scruggs. He was the
guy at the center of the tobacco
   litigation. He's now getting
ready to move on to the HMOs."
   . . . . That story, first
reported in the Wall Street Journal,
   comes at a time when the
nation's civil-justice system is
   undergoing massive tremors
from having been called upon both
   to adjudicate and legislate.
   . . . . The House has just
passed a bill that would make it even
   easier to sue health-care
providers, and a flood of class-action
   lawsuits against HMOs is
expected to hit the courts within a
   few months. These lawsuits --
filed by the same guys who
   brought you the
multibillion-dollar tobacco settlement, say their
   detractors -- could have an
extremely negative effect on the
   ability of insurers to
provide low-cost coverage as they move
   to shore up their resources
against the high cost of litigation and
   fear of huge punitive cash
awards.
   . . . . Passage of the
Bipartisan Consensus Managed Care
   Improvement Act will cripple
the nation's employer-based
   health-insurance systems, say
insurance-industry
   representatives. "Passage of
the 'Dingwood' bill shows that the
   entrepreneurial plaintiffs'
bar and their political soul mates in the
   House of Representatives are
interested in advancing their own
   financial and political
interests over the needs of consumers,"
   says Chip Kahn, president of
the Health Insurance Association
   of America. "If this bill
becomes law, it will reduce consumers'
   choice of health plans and
expose employers to the prospect of
   crippling lawsuits."
   . . . . And, according to a
Rand report, the threat of litigation
   may not accomplish any
significant benefit to consumers. "The
   threat of litigation may
cause health plans to make better
   decisions, i.e., to approve
more medically necessary care,"
   says the report, titled The
Effectiveness of 

[CTRL] FW: [apfn]AOL signs Alliance with homo site 'planetout'-It sucks..

1999-10-19 Thread Bard

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FYI only,

Bard

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SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA, U.S.A., 1999 OCT 18 (NB)
By Martin Stone, Newsbytes.

Privately-held PlanetOut, the major lesbian and gay online portal, and
America Online Inc. [NYSE:AOL] announced today they have signed a three-year
premier alliance involving several AOL brands.According to the companies,
starting this month, PlanetOut will distribute its branded services, content
and commerce for the gay and lesbian community to AOL and CompuServe's
combined membership of over 20 million members, and to millions of visitors
to AOL.COM, ICQ and Netscape Netcenter. PlanetOut will also receive
prominent
placement as an anchor tenant in AOL's People Connection and AOL Hometown
community and chat areas, said the announcement.

The deal allows visitors to the AOL sites to gain direct access to a
co-branded, upgraded PlanetOut Website at http://www.planetout.com .

Megan Smith, chief executive officer (CEO) of PlanetOut said that AOL has
been a long-standing and repeated investor in the portal and that AOL is
counting on PlanetOut to take on a primary programming role for its large
gay
and lesbian audience.

AOL was the first outside investor in PlanetOut in 1996. Last September,
PlanetOut secured $16.4 million in second round funding from America Online,
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [abinfo] In Defence of Sitchin

1999-10-19 Thread Tatman, Robert

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Gee, I'm envious! You get an EXTRA fifteen minutes of fame...

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[CTRL] FW: [freedomfight] UN FLAG BURNING - UPDATE

1999-10-19 Thread Bard

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"Stars and Stripes" (upside down)  Public Law 829 (77th Congress) Sec. 4(a)
"The flag should never be displayed with the union down
SAVE AS A SIGNAL OF DIRE DISTRESS"

It is our right,
and it is our duty,
to remain free.
 --- Alan Keyes

Bard

We don't need a 3rd Party;  we need a 2nd Party!

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Subject: [freedomfight] UN FLAG BURNING - UPDATE


From: Lady Liberty  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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PRESS RELEASE - VERY IMPORTANT - PLEASE PASS IT ON

For Immediate Release

Date: October 18th, 1999
Contact: Patricia A. Saye
Phone: (702) 732-2233
Fax: (702) 798-7818
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

U.N. FLAG BURNING CEREMONY APPROVED BY THE EPA  FIRE DEPT.

Las Vegas, Nevada -- The EPA and the Las Vegas Fire Department have given
their "approval" for the United Nations Flag Burning Ceremony. On Sunday,
October 24th, 1999 the United Nations will celebrate their 54th Anniversary,
of being in FORCE!

The "approval" of the EPA and the Las Vegas Fire Department is welcomed,
because as stated in an earlier press release, the UN Flag was going to be
burned with or without their approval. I was told if the flag was burned
"without" their approval, there would be a citation issued to appear in
court, on a criminal misdemeanor charge, with a sentence of up to 6 months
in jail, and/or up to $1,000.00 fine.

I did not like the idea of what I was facing, but if our Founding Father's,
and the thousands of others who have laid down their lives to keep the
United States of America free from foriegn tyranny, and Michael New can take
a stand against both, a domestic tyranny of a traitorous President AND the
forgiegn tyranny of the United Nations, the least I can do is to take my
stand, by burning the UN Flag (donated by Michael's father, Daniel New), on
the 54th Anniversary of being in "FORCE"!

We would like to invite you to the United Nations Flag Burning Ceremony, in
honor of our Founding Father's and former Army Specialist, Michael G. New,
across the street from the Foley Federal Building, on the corner of Las
Vegas Blvd. and Clark street, at 2:00 p.m. I am praying there will be 500+
people show.

The Charter of the United Nations Conference on International
Organization came into force on October 24th, 1945.

On October 10th, 1995, the 1/15 Battalion of the 3rd Infantry Division of
the U.S. Army came to attention at 0900 in Schweinfurt, Germany. All but one
of the 550 soldiers were wearing a sky-blue baseball-style cap with a United
Nations insignia on the front. One was wearing the olive-drab flat cap that
in authorized to be worn with the Battle Dress Uniform. With
this simple act of disobeying a direct order, Spc. 4 Michael New set the
stage for a legal battle that has profound implications for the future of
American generations. St issue is the authority of the president of the
United States to order American soldiers into service under the United
Nations without the constitutional permission of Congress.

America stands at a crossroads in history. Will we face the future as an
independent Republic? Or will our grandchildren grow up in a New World Order
governed from New York City, where we as a Member State, can be consistently
out-voted by a hundred other countries who do not share our heritage, our
values, and our interest? This legal case may well determine the future of
our nation.

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Re: [CTRL] Black Sun...Something interesting...Read.

1999-10-19 Thread Tatman, Robert

 -Caveat Lector-

I don't think the artist had anything that sinister in mind. The "Shriner's
sword" in the mural is actually sort of a scimitar, borrowed from the
artist's memories of childhood "Sindbad" and "Ali Baba" storybooks. At the
risk of being accused of complicity with the NWO, I have to say that I think
people are reading much too much into some admittedly bizarre examples of
modern public art. This stuff is obscure, probably deliberately obscure,
definitely elitist...but there's no occult significance to it other than
what we manage to read into it. This discussion makes me think of a piece in
a sculpture garden in Philadelphia's Fairmount Park, which shows a tall,
heavily muscled Amurrican pioneer type, rendered a la 1930's Rockwell Kent,
posed with a rather strange eagle...in such a way that the "pioneer" appears
to be, shall we say, engaged in an "unnatural act" with the eagle. The
meaning of an art work is, after all, in the mind of the beholder.

 -Original Message-
 From: Stopforth, Jamie [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 9:41 AM
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Black Sun...Something interesting...Read.

  -Caveat Lector-

   The picture displayed here showing the "thing" with the sword piercing
 the
 dove Look at the sword carefully...  It's a shriners sword.  This
 sword
 is a rather common symbol within the Mason community.  What do you all
 think?

 Jamie



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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] DCA87AA002

1999-10-19 Thread Kris Millegan





Kelly AFB used to be "MIB" central (not any more, however). They used to
search for soldiers or other federal operatives with a "cro-magnon" head
appearance, induct them under "national security" train them to do misinformation
ops,dress them up weird, put them in absurd cars and send them out to threaten,
freighten and "freak-out" witnesses of UFOs and their high tech experiments.
Anyone reporting these weird visits to the cops
(if they dared) would be so discredited by the content that nothing
would be investigated. The program was apparently discontinued in the med
'80s, but federal agencies in general learned to use these methods in their
layered harrassment and surveillance methods (especially popular now with
the fbi, cia, dia, batf, adl, wakemout and other private contract agencies
such as kr*ll and associates). Thus "crazymaking" is now the
cover of choice for national security surveillance and "counterinsurgency/harrassmentops--cointelpro
style (the name is changed, the ops the same). When a "whistle-blower"
turns gov't agencies or ops in for drug-dealing, or other crimes such as
"bust-outs" or money-laundering, crazymaking is almost always used in layered
responses, with increased intensity. First hand witnesses are considered
the greatest risk if they are credible and if the initial harassment is
not effective, then serious threats are made, later followed by liquidations
(improbable suicides or accidents!) of self and/or family members if deemed
a necessary "casualty of war". All this is classified as "low intensity
warfare" or the "third option"!
JP Viken, Ph.D., Minneapolis

Dave wrote:
Kelly
AFB ... Isn't that the Headquarters, Air Intelligence Agency?http://www.seasurf.com/~radioman/album.htmlU.S.
Air Force Intelligence : sgb03014.kelly.af.mil ( 137.242.30.14 )While
www.kelly.af.mil was 'restricted' by excluding certain DNS users, it's
kellyweb01
server is ALSO offline
... to those wanting to see the aerial photo of the Air Force base,
it's 'gone' too ...
Try http://www.kelly.af.mil/and
see if you get:

HTTP Error 403
403.6 Forbidden: IP
address rejected

This error is caused
when the server has a list of IP addresses that are not allowed to access
the site, and the IP address you are using is in this list.

Please contact the
Web server's administrator if the problem persists.


Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart
 Kelly AFB used to be "MIB" central (not any more, however). They used to search for soldiers or other federal operatives with a "cro-magnon" head appearance, induct them under "national security" train them to do misinformation ops,dress them up weird, put them in absurd cars and send them out to threaten, freighten and "freak-out" witnesses of UFOs and their high tech experiments. Anyone reporting these weird visits to the cops (if they dared) would be so discredited by the content that nothing would be investigated. The program was apparently discontinued in the med '80s, but federal agencies in general learned to use these methods in their layered harrassment and surveillance methods (especially popular now with the fbi, cia, dia, batf, adl, wakemout and other private contract agencies such as kr*ll and associates). Thus "crazymaking" is now the cover of choice for national security surveillance and "counterinsurgency/harrassmentops--cointelpro !
!
style (the name is changed, the ops the same). When a "whistle-blower" turns gov't agencies or ops in for drug-dealing, or other crimes such as "bust-outs" or money-laundering, crazymaking is almost always used in layered responses, with increased intensity. First hand witnesses are considered the greatest risk if they are credible and if the initial harassment is not effective, then serious threats are made, later followed by liquidations (improbable suicides or accidents!) of self and/or family members if deemed a necessary "casualty of war". All this is classified as "low intensity warfare" or the "third option"! JP Viken, Ph.D., Minneapolis  Dave wrote: Kelly AFB ... Isn't that the Headquarters, Air Intelligence Agency?http://www.seasurf.com/~radioman/album.htmlU.S. Air Force Intelligence : sgb03014.kelly.af.mil ( 137.242.30.14 )While www.kelly.af.mil was 'restricted' by excluding certain DNS users, it's kellyweb01 server is ALSO offline ... to those wanting to see the aerial photo of the Air Force base, it's 'gone' too ... Try http://www.kelly.af.mil/and see if you get:  HTTP Error 403 403.6 Forbidden: IP address rej!
!
ected  This error is caused when the server has a list of IP addresses that are not allowed to access the site, and the IP address you are using is in this list.  Please contact the Web server's administrator if the problem persists.   Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart 
-Original
Message-
From: Brian Downing Quig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 18,
1999 1:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: 

[CTRL] Last Liberty Tree Imperiled - An Omen?

1999-10-19 Thread Hilary A. Thomas

 -Caveat Lector-

Last Liberty Tree Imperiled

By TOM STUCKEY
.c The Associated Press

ANNAPOLIS, Md. (Oct. 18) - The last of the liberty trees - where American
colonists once incited rebellion against the British - has been so damaged
by
storms and decay it should be cut down, according to an expert who examined

the 400-year-old tulip poplar.

Winds from Hurricane Floyd fractured the trunk and the tree now endangers
anything near it, arborist Russell Carlson said in a report to the state
and
St. John's College.

The college, which has held its commencement under the tree for 200 years,
will decide soon whether to remove the tree or try to save it, spokeswoman
Barbara Goyette said.

There were once 13 liberty trees - one in each of the original Colonies -
where the Sons of Liberty met and plotted the Revolution. The tulip poplar
on
the St. John's campus is the last surviving liberty Tree.

In a report submitted Oct. 9, Carlson said ''the entire tree now consists
of
a hollow shell of wood, sometimes only two or three inches thick.'' He
estimated 85 percent of the wood has been lost to decay.

Carlson rejected the use of extensive internal or external mechanical
supports, which might prolong the life of the tree.

''It would be an obtrusive and ignominious life support system for this
grand
old champion,'' he said.

''Campers and wanderers, children and philosophers, vagrants and
presidents,
have all stood in the shade of this ancient giant. But finally, it is time
to
say goodbye to our old friend,'' Carlson wrote.

Mike Morrill, spokesman for Gov. Parris Glendening, said the governor was
''extraordinarily sad that the arborist did not have better news.''

This spring, state officials arranged for cuttings to be taken from the
tree
so clones could be produced.

Louise Hayman, director of the commission that handled the procedure, said
scientists won't know until the end of the year if it will succeed. If it
does, seedlings will be presented to the 49 other states, she said.

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Re: [CTRL] Black Sun...Something interesting...Read.

1999-10-19 Thread Stopforth, Jamie

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  But when you look at the possibilities of Denver having underground
tunnels connecting an underground city, with mason symbology located through
out the airport, you definitely have reason to believe that these murals
depict something of an "elitist" mindset.  Sure we may be reading too much
into them, but then again.

Jamie


-Original Message-
From: Tatman, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 11:37 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Black Sun...Something interesting...Read.


 -Caveat Lector-

I don't think the artist had anything that sinister in mind. The "Shriner's
sword" in the mural is actually sort of a scimitar, borrowed from the
artist's memories of childhood "Sindbad" and "Ali Baba" storybooks. At the
risk of being accused of complicity with the NWO, I have to say that I think
people are reading much too much into some admittedly bizarre examples of
modern public art. This stuff is obscure, probably deliberately obscure,
definitely elitist...but there's no occult significance to it other than
what we manage to read into it. This discussion makes me think of a piece in
a sculpture garden in Philadelphia's Fairmount Park, which shows a tall,
heavily muscled Amurrican pioneer type, rendered a la 1930's Rockwell Kent,
posed with a rather strange eagle...in such a way that the "pioneer" appears
to be, shall we say, engaged in an "unnatural act" with the eagle. The
meaning of an art work is, after all, in the mind of the beholder.

 -Original Message-
 From: Stopforth, Jamie [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 9:41 AM
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Black Sun...Something interesting...Read.

  -Caveat Lector-

   The picture displayed here showing the "thing" with the sword piercing
 the
 dove Look at the sword carefully...  It's a shriners sword.  This
 sword
 is a rather common symbol within the Mason community.  What do you all
 think?

 Jamie



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Re: [CTRL] 300,000$ reward, bunk. . .

1999-10-19 Thread Kris Millegan

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MHO, What one must do is that your "defense' should start at arrest and must
be brought up before arraignment. Quo Warranto, is your defense, with that
declared to the arresting officer and to the judge before arraignment,
hopefully in a written statement, but oral is enough at the time, to be
backed up later with written brief. Act as your own attorney. The declaration
of quo warranto and the act of presenting a  motion to determine status
before arraingment STRIPS away any "invisible", "reticentia" and colour of
law actions and holds persons directly liable for their actions with no
immunity "official, quasi or actual.
Also in tax cases it is always good to present any payments as under duress.
The whole 'money' system is "unconstitutional" -- a racket and a fraud.  MHO

Om
k


In a message dated 10/18/99 8:01:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I'm not offended in the least by your comments here.  You have all but
agreed
with my basic premise, which is amply illustrated by the court cases which
are cited in the FAQ, that is that the LAW and the CONSTITUTION do not matter
a hill of beans if you can't go into court and win the case.  Incidentally I
hate taxes and think that they should be abolished, as excessive, and
immoral, etc.   However I am not foolish enough to quit paying KNOWING full
well that if I am brought to court I will LOSE and be made to pay, and with
interest and penalties as well.  I didn't post his information as an
endorsement per se, but to illustrate a point.  BTW, your comments may be
100% factual in your representation of them, BUT the point still is, how can
you gain anything by it, if you will just lose the case in court?  It is
virtually impossible to live without being enmeshed in the state machine in
some way, thus even if the overriding factor is "invisible contracts" there
is no way to get around it, or is there?
Thanks for your comments it was my intention to spur discussion! 

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[CTRL] Forwarded Post

1999-10-19 Thread lloyd

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For Immediate Release

Date:October 18th, 1999
Contact: Patricia A. Saye
Phone:   (702) 732-2233
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U.N. FLAG BURNING CEREMONY APPROVED BY THE EPA  FIRE DEPT.

Las Vegas, Nevada -- The EPA and the Las Vegas Fire Department have given
their "approval" for the United Nations Flag Burning Ceremony.  On Sunday,
October 24th, 1999 the United Nations will celebrate their 54th Anniversary,
of being in FORCE!

The "approval" of the EPA and the Las Vegas Fire Department is welcomed,
because as stated in an earlier press release, the UN Flag was going to be
burned with or without their approval.  I was told if the flag was burned
"without" their approval, there would be a citation issued to appear in
court, on a criminal misdemeanor charge, with a sentence of up to 6 months
in jail, and/or up to $1,000.00 fine.

I did not like the idea of what I was facing, but if our Founding Father's,
and the thousands of others who have laid down their lives to keep the
United States of America free from foriegn tyranny, and Michael New can take
a stand against both, a domestic tyranny of a traitorous President AND the
forgiegn tyranny of the United Nations, the least I can do is to take my
stand, by burning the UN Flag (donated by Michael's father, Daniel New), on
the 54th Anniversary of being in "FORCE"!

We would like to invite you to the United Nations Flag Burning Ceremony, in
honor of Founding Father's and former Army Specialist, Michael G. New,
across the street from the Foley Federal Building, on the corner of Las
Vegas Blvd. and Clark street, at 2:00 p.m. I am praying there will be 500+
people show.

The Charter of the United Nations Conference on International
Organization came into force on October 24th, 1945.

On October 10th, 1995, the 1/15 Battalion of the 3rd Infantry Division of
the U.S. Army came to attention at 0900 in Schweinfurt, Germany. All but one
of the 550 soldiers were wearing a sky-blue baseball-style cap with a United
Nations insignia on the front. One was wearing the olive-drab flat cap that
in authorized to be worn with the Battle Dress Uniform. With
this simple act of disobeying a direct order, Spc. 4 Michael New set the
stage for a legal battle that has profound implications for the future of
American generations. St issue is the authority of the president of the
United States to order American soldiers into service under the United
Nations without the constitutional permission of Congress.

America stands at a crossroads in history. Will we face the future as an
independent Republic? Or will our grandchildren grow up in a New World Order
governed from New York City, where we as a Member State, can be consistently
out-voted by a hundred other countries who do not share our heritage, our
values, and our interest? This legal case may well determine the future of
our nation.

I remain, your lady in liberty
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Re: [CTRL] New Url for the Illuminati News Home Page ?

1999-10-19 Thread Bard

Go to:  http://surf.to/illuminati_news/

Your Welcome!

Bard

We don't need a 3rd Party;  we need a 2nd Party!


The Illuminati home page is fttp://www.io.com.

-Original Message-
From: Xavier Martin-Dupont [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, October 18, 1999 7:05 PM
Subject: New Url for the Illuminati News Home Page ?


Hi I'm looking for the Illuminati News Home Page - old URL
http://www.islandnet.com/~persewen/illum_index.htm -
Which seem have moved...

is anibody know the new URL ?




Re: [CTRL] [The real deal?] Re: A defense of reptile Sitchin (fwd)

1999-10-19 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 10/19/99 9:03:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Evil *IS* a worthy adversary! 

Evil is no adversary, it is a concept void without meaning in the eye of God.

Hear O Israel, Thy lord God is ONE.

0=2, 1+1=3,  . . .

Om
k

MHO

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[CTRL] 20th Century Thugs!

1999-10-19 Thread Bard

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1999-10-19 Thread Kris Millegan

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from;
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Click Here: A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin
Grabbe/A
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Today's Lesson from The Life of F. Scott Fitzgerald


by Matthew J. Bruccoli



Fitzgerald made two trips from New Orleans to Montgomery in January, bringing
Zelda sazarac cocktails, her first orchids, and a $600 platinum-and-diamond
wristwatch paid for by writing "The Camel's Back" in one day. He told Perkins
that he started at 8 a.m. and finished at 7 p.m., then recopied the
manuscript by 4:30 a.m. and mailed it a half hour later. Fitzgerald was not
proud of this trick story about a masquerade party; but it brought his first
inclusion in the O. Henry Prize Stories series and was later bought by the
movies. The young author must have thought he could write a popular story
anytime he needed to. His best story ideas came to him as complete
structures, and by writing them in concentrated bursts of effort he was able
to preserve the spontaneity of the narrative. He later explained, "Stories
are best written in either one jump or three, according to the length. The
three-jump story should be done in three successive days, then a day or so
for revise and off she goes. This is of course the ideal--In many stories one
strikes a snag that must be hacked at but on the whole, stories that drag
along or are terribly difficult (I mean a difficulty that comes from poor
conception and consequent faulty construction) never flow quite as well in
the reading."
-
The Dark Side of the Farce


Clinton's Increasing Insanity


He bangs his balls in the dark as reporters watch.

A STRANGE, solitary figure could be seen on the Army and Navy Country Club
golf course outside Washington on Sunday night, whacking ball after ball into
the pitch darkness as the rain poured down.
It was Bill Clinton, inadvertently offering the stark image of an
increasingly isolated and frustrated President heading towards the end of his
second term, his temper rising and his power waning.
Dusk was already gathering when he suddenly announced that he was going to
play golf, alone, and for two and a half hours he worked his way around the
sodden course, deserted save for his Secret Service detail and a handful of
damp journalists.
"He was playing in the pitch dark," one reporter said. "He was swinging and
wildly hitting balls everywhere."
Mr Clinton's obsession with golf is well known, but his eccentric solo
session has inevitably invited speculation about his state of mind in the
twilight of his presidency. "It was odd. It was strange," one White House
official was quoted as saying.
With just over a year of his last term remaining, Mr Clinton is having to
cede the political spotlight to his would-be successor, Al Gore, and to his
wife, while his ambitions for his own legacy have become bogged down in
partisan politics and bitter budget wrangling. Recently Mr Clinton has taken
to public bouts of introspection, and by his own admission the presidential
temper is starting to fray.
"Some days I wake up on the wrong side of the bed, in a foul humour," he told
an audience earlier this month. "It has occurred to me really that every one
of us has this little scale inside . . . on one side there's the light forces
and on the other side there's the dark forces in our psyche.
"Life is a big struggle to try to keep things in proper balance," he added.
Mr Clinton's darker side was on full display last week after the Senate
rejected the treaty banning nuclear tests that he had planned as the
centrepiece of his foreign policy.
Mr Clinton lambasted Republican senators for what he called their "reckless
partisanship" and "isolationism". And the Senate is not alone in feeling the
rough edge of the presidential tongue.
In the past few weeks he has been heard to lash out at his conservative
enemies, unsympathetic media and even the FBI. Earlier this month, at a White
House picnic, one reporter for Investor's Daily found himself in a slanging
match with Mr Clinton, who then gave instructions that the journalist be
banned from all such functions in the future.
Mr Clinton's frustration was also evident recently when he reflected on the
stalled peace process in Northern Ireland and compared the opposing sides in
the conflict to drunks addicted to violence.
The President's periodic bursts of ill humour may be partly attributable to
disappointment with the campaign being run by his Vice-President, whose
election Mr Clinton sees as crucial to preserving his own place in history.
He has been vociferous in his support of Mr Gore, but last weekend the
front-runner for the Democratic nomination clearly hinted that he might forgo
Mr Clinton's help. Many voters see Mr Gore as tainted by the scandals of the
Clinton presidency.
The President is also said to be finding it hard to adjust to playing second
fiddle to the political ambitions of Hillary Clinton. While he jokes about
joining the "Senate spouses club", associates say he feels more 

[CTRL] Random Thoughts on Love and Other Things [was: RE: [CTRL] [The r eal deal?] Re: A defense of reptile Sitchin (fwd)]

1999-10-19 Thread Tatman, Robert

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The theologian Origen held that God's love manifested in Christ's death and
resurrection was so total and so unconditional that at the end of time even
Satan and all the inhabitants of Hell would be forgiven and restored to
grace.

Christian theology demands that we believe in the literal and physical
existence of Hell...but only a madman would believe that there is anyone
there.

Frederic Buechner, in his fictionalized biography of the Old English saint
Godric, tells how Godric's bishop assigned a young monk to accompany the
saint and record the jewels of wisdom that dropped from his lips. This young
twerp so annoyed Godric that one day, when the acolyte burbled, "Oh what is
the difference between God and Godric?" the saint snapped back, "*He* is all
light and all love, and *I* am not!"

"They nailed Love to a Cross,
Symbolic of their might.
But Love was undefeated--
It simply didn't fight."
--from *Illuminatus*, by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson

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 From: Kris Millegan [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 1:36 PM
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 Sitchin (fwd)

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 In a message dated 10/19/99 9:03:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   Evil *IS* a worthy adversary! 

 Evil is no adversary, it is a concept void without meaning in the eye of
 God.

 Hear O Israel, Thy lord God is ONE.

 0=2, 1+1=3,  . . .

 Om
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[CTRL] Legal Help needed - reference type

1999-10-19 Thread piper

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I need some book that can tell me the basics of court cases
involving children.  Please excuse the wording, I know enough
about English (have not completed Eng. Comp 2) to know that
this would be a rotten essay.  And yes the following information
is True and about me.

My ex-husband was born in Germany on a military base
in 1963.  He has four nipples and used to say "Thank Heavens
God got that udder idea out of his mind"  he also had to have
excess fat taken out of his chest area - under the upper set of nipples.

Kisssinger had to sign a copy of the birth certificate for
my ex-husband's mother -
to allow her new husband to adopt him and his sister.

My ex-husband's bio-father and his sister have high profile
jobs which require travel.  They seem to have thought
that they might have a genetic problem with having children-
(I do not think that they had knowledge of organophosphates)
she adopted instead.

The bio-father and his new (30 year) family
potential of backing the statistics of the Kinsey report
and of capitalists.  He snorted when I had the kids say
grace.

"Thank You God for the food before us and the family
around us."  I do not want the kids taking things for
granted or to think that someone else should support them
 - I do not like plagiarism!

They have put my boy on Ritalin previously (illegally)
My ex did not have permission under the divorce degree.

I know that putting this out on the open list could
generate interest by different people - please read
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/es_major.htm
Also think of this - I like to shrink, Shrinks!
I do not envy the Shrinks their 2000 convention in
Switzerland... I have a feeling that the ones that consider themselves
Lord will have a problem - they will not realize.

I am getting ready to try to move the case to Waco
and need advice on what book to read to be able to
do a "Change of Venue" on my own.  I have lived in
Waco before and moved back with the children
in 1994.  I was Pi Theta Kappa before the ex- started
pushing.

the majority of the ex-relatives live in North or South Carolina.

I have two minor children that the ex-relatives are trying to
bribe into leaving me and I need to figure out how to take
it to court without it costing me a bundle.  For the last
5 years it has been a tug of war, with each side ending
up being stymied because of (court type) conflicts of interest
(as far as lawyers or shrinks wanting to handle this)

Why do I have to watch the financial?  I am a student and
I (seem to) have had "gremlins" or some such stuff.  It has been
a weird financial time what with having to repair my brakes
three times in the last 5 months and many of the other things
that have happened in the last 3 years.

Bottom line
* Even with knowing about my web site they do not seem
to know enough to stay out of the way of chemicals.
* I do not need my children going up into that bio-hazard of
a family or to have the bio-grandfathers new wife use my
children to make hers look good.
that new wife makes Cinder's step seem like an angel.

--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you
will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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Re: [CTRL] Hanoi Jane ...100 Women of the Century

1999-10-19 Thread K

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On 19 Oct 99, at 10:31, Gavin Phillips wrote:


 Looks like Hanoi Jane will be honored as one of the "100
Women of the Century".


Who's list is this?  When  will the "honor" be announced?

K

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[CTRL] FDA Takes Biotech Food Issue to the Public

1999-10-19 Thread Tatman, Robert

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FDA Takes Biotech Food Issue to the Public

October 19, 1999

Web posted at: 12:16 p.m. EST (1616 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The federal agency that ensures genetically engineered
foods are safe will hold unusual meetings around the country this fall to
hear what Americans think about bioengineered food.

U.S. scientists have been surprised by growing public resistance abroad to
bioengineered foods. Critics in Britain deride them as "Frankenfoods";
Thailand on Monday banned importation of genetically engineered food seeds;
parts of Europe demand bioengineered foods be labeled as such so consumers
can choose to avoid them.

Buoyed by that backlash, U.S. critics have increased demands that
bioengineered foods be labeled here as well, and two U.S. baby-food makers
even announced they no longer would use biotech ingredients.
 ...RELATED
Health experts insist biotech foods now sold are safe. They already are used
widely, from the soybeans and corn of tortilla chips and soft drinks to
tomatoes stewed into spaghetti sauce.

"Although people have enthusiastically accepted new drugs made from
biotechnology, some consumers have concerns about the use of this technology
in foods," said Health and Human Services Secretary Donna Shalala. "We need
to ask why those concerns exist, and how we can address them."

Three meetings scheduled

So the Food and Drug Administration begins unusual public meetings next
month to explain how it determines a genetically engineered food is safe,
and to get the public's reaction.

Participants can tell FDA whether they want its food-safety policy
strengthened or bioengineered foods labeled.

Meetings will be in Chicago on November 18, Washington on November 30 and in
Oakland, California, on December 13.

Proponents insist genetic engineering is similar to traditional breeding,
where plants are cross-pollinated to produce hardier varieties by sharing
genes.
Genetic engineering is more precise, allowing a single gene to be spliced
from one organism into another.

The FDA closely guards against bioengineering likely to cause allergic
reactions. Food makers would not be allowed to put a gene from nuts into
beans, for instance, because too many people have life-threatening nut
allergies.

But some critics say genetic engineering might have unforeseen reactions,
and FDA's policy of regulating biotech foods similarly to regular foods is
not strict enough.

While scientists look forward one day to bioengineering foods to be
healthier, with a greater number of vitamins or other nutrients, crops have
been genetically engineered so far mostly to make them hardier.

Corn can be engineered to produce a natural pesticide called Bt, one of the
best natural pesticides organic farmers use. But it sparked environmental
worries last spring when a study suggested pollen from such corn can spread
onto nearby milkweed plants and kill the larvae of monarch butterflies,
which feed on milkweed.

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[CTRL] Cellphones and Cancer (fwd)

1999-10-19 Thread Bill Kingsbury

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 From: "Saul Pressman" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999
 Subj: [oxyplus] Cellphones and Cancer

 Dear oxyplusers:

 Just had this message forwarded to me from Health Action Network.

 Best of Health!
 Saul Pressman

 - Original Message -
 From: health action network society [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999
 Subj: Cellphones and Non-ionising Radiation Issues


 7 October 1999

 Mr. C. Michael Armstrong
 Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
 AT  T Corporation
 32 Avenue of the Americas
 New York, New York 100313-2412


 Dear Mr Armstrong:

 After much thought, I am writing this letter to you, personally, to
 ask your assistance in solving what I believe is an emerging and
 serious problem concerning wireless phones. I write this letter in
 the interest of the more than 80 million wireless phone users in
 the United States and the more than 200 million worldwide. But I
 also write this letter in the interest of your industry, a critical
 part of our social and economic infrastructure.

 Since 1993, I have headed the WTR surveillance and research program
 funded by the wireless industry. The goal of WTR has always been to
 identify and solve any problems concerning consumers' health that
 could arise from the use of these phones. This past February, at
 the annual convention of the CTIA, I met with the full board of
 that organization to brief them on some surprising findings from
 our work. I do not recall if you were there personally, but my
 understanding is that all segments of the industry were represented.

 At that briefing, I explained that the well-conducted scientific
 studies that WTR was overseeing indicated that the question of
 wireless phone safety had become confused.

 Specifically, I reported to you that:

 The rate of death from brain cancer among handheld phone users was
 higher than the rate of brain cancer death among those who used
 non-handheld phones that were away from their head;

 The risk of acoustic neuroma, a benign tumour of the auditory nerve
 that is well in range of the radiation coming from a phone's
 antenna, was fifty percent higher in people who reported using cell
 phones for six years or more, moreover, that relationship between
 the amount of cell phone use and this tumour appeared to follow a
 dose-response curve:

 The risk of rare neuro epithelial tumours on the outside of the
 brain was more than doubled, a statistically significant risk
 increase, in cell phone users as compared to people who did not use
 cell phones;

 There appeared to be some correlation between brain tumours
 occurring on the right side of the head and the use of the phone on
 the right side of the head;

 Laboratory studies looking at the ability of radiation from a
 phone's antenna to cause functional genetic damage were
 definitively positive, and were following a dose-response
 relationship.

 I also indicated that while our overall study of brain cancer
 occurrence did not show a correlation with cell phone use, the vast
 majority of the tumours that were studied, were well out of range
 of the radiation that one would expect from a cell phone's antenna.
 Because of that distance, the finding of no effect was
 questionable. Such mis-classification of radiation exposure would
 tend to dilute any real effect that may have been present. In
 addition, I reported to you that the genetic damage studies we
 conducted to look at the ability of radiation from the phones to
 break DNA were negative, but that the positive finding of
 functional DNA damage could be more important, perhaps indicating a
 problem that is not dependent on DNA breakage, and that these
 inconsistencies needed to be clarified. I reported that while none
 of these findings alone were evidence of a definitive health hazard
 from wireless phones, the pattern of potential health effects
 evidenced by different types of studies, from different
 laboratories, and by different investigators raised serious
 questions.

 Following my presentation, I heard by voice vote of those present,
 a pledge to "do the right thing in following up these findings" and
 a commitment of the necessary funds.

 Today, I sit here extremely frustrated and concerned that
 appropriate steps have not been taken by the wireless industry to
 protect consumers during this time of uncertainty about safety. The
 steps I am referring to specifically followed from the WTR program
 and have been recommended repeatedly in public and private for and
 by me and other experts from around the world. As I prepare to move
 away from the wireless phone issue and into a different public
 health direction, I am concerned that the wireless industry is
 missing a valuable opportunity by dealing with these public health
 concerns through politics, creating illusions that more research
 over the next several years helps consumers today, and false claims
 that regulatory compliance means safety. The better choice by the
 

[CTRL] Cell Phones, Health Risks - on TV Wed (fwd)

1999-10-19 Thread Bill Kingsbury

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Louis Slesin / Microwave News)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999
Subject: Cell phones on TV

ABC News has issued a press release announcing that its 20/20 show on
possible health risks associated with the use of cellular phones will air
on Wednesday night, October 20th at 10pm, Eastern time.

ABC tested a number of mobile phones and measured how much microwave
radiation would be absorbed by a user. According to the press
release, four
out of five phones tested exceeded the U.S. federal government limit in at
least one position.

On the following night, October 21, French television station France
2 will
air its own show on mobile phone health risks. Note that Paul Kenyon, who
is listed in the credits, was the reporter on the BBC Panorama program on
health risks which aired on May 24 of this year.

Here is what is posted on the France 2 Web site:

   Portables : attention danger
   Un reportage d'Olivier Galzi, Philippe Jasselin, Paul Kenyon
   et Neil Higginson.

   En France, plus d'une personne sur quatre possède un
   téléphone portable et la planète compte plus de 300 millions
   d'utilisateurs. Face à cette explosion du marché, une
   question revient de plus en plus souvent : le portable peut-il
   être dangereux pour la santé ?
   Les scientifiques sont de plus en plus inquiets. Récemment,
   une enquête de la BBC a fait grand bruit outre-Atlantique.
   L'équipe d'Envoyé Spécial a mené sa propre enquête. Elle
   nous a conduit sur de nouvelles pistes concernant les effets
   possibles induits par les très basses fréquences émises par le
   mobile (fréquences jusqu'ici considérées comme
   inoffensives). Les études se multiplient et plusieurs d'entre
   elles constatent que le téléphone portable induit des effets
   biologiques sur notre santé et qu'il provoque un
   dysfonctionnement de notre système de régulation du stress.
   Toutes ces études prouvent qu'il existe une interaction entre
   le téléphone portable et l'organisme vivant avec lequel il est
   en contact. Les fabricants refusent d'admettre ce lien, et ne
   semblent pas prendre en compte les avertissements qui leur
   sont donnés par ces chercheurs. "C'est l'histoire du tabac qui
   se répète encore et encore" selon le docteur Ross Adey, de
   l'Université de Riverside en Californie. "Je pense qu'ils
   essaient de manipuler les données afin que rien n'apparaisse"
   affirme le professeur Lai de l'Université de Washington à
   Seattle.





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[CTRL] Jews NOT Zionists - jewsnotzionists.org

1999-10-19 Thread Bill Kingsbury

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 http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

 Jews NOT Zionists

 Our Mission

 "This site was established by Jews who are loyal to the Torah and
 who are not intoxicated and addicted to Zionism.  Israel is NOT
 a Jewish state, it is a Zionist state.  There is nothing Jewish
 about it.  It is heresy... The Zionists do not represent Judaism.
 They are actually promoting anti-Semitism.  They are heretics."


 The Jews of Iraq --Fascinating story about Iraqi Jews and
 Zionist duplicity
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/iraq.html

 Ten questions to the Zionists
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/tenquestions.html

 Advertisements Placed in the New York Times Against Zionism
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/advertisements.html

 The Role of Zionism in the Holocaust
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/holocaust.html

 Rabbinical Statements Against Zionism
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/statementsrl.html

 WHY IS WORLD JEWRY OPPOSED TO THE ZIONIST STATE
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/opposed.html

 The Differences Between Judaism and Zionism by G. Neuburger
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/differencejudzion.html

 Pleas to rescue Jews in the Holocaust ignored by Zionist leaders
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/pleasignored.html

 Iran remains home to Jewish enclave
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/iranianjews.html

 The Millions could have been Saved
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/Domb.html

 Judaism and Zionism Broadcast
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/broadcast.html

 The Concentration Camp called "Israel"
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/hachoimo.html

 The Haredi Zionist Parties Threaten Judaism!!!
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/haredizion.html



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[CTRL] ZIONISM IN THE AGE OF THE DICTATORS

1999-10-19 Thread Bill Kingsbury

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 Contents:   http://www.codoh.com/zionweb/zizad/zizad.html  (this page)
 Chapter 01: http://www.codoh.com/zionweb/zizad/zizad1.html
   thru
 Chapter 26: http://www.codoh.com/zionweb/zizad/zizad26.html
 ---

 Zionism In the Age of the Dictators
A Reappraisal

   By Lenni Brenner

 ---

 "Why another book on the Second World War, which is probably the most
 written about subject in human history?  Why another book on the
 Holocaust, which has been movingly described by many survivors and
 scholars?  As a general subject, the age of the dictators, the world
 war, and the Holocaust have indeed been covered -- but has the
 interaction between Zionism and Fascism and Nazism been adequately
 explored?  And if not, why not?"

 "The answer is quite simple.  Different aspects of the general subject
 have been dealt with, but there is no equivalent of the present work,
 one that attempts to present an overview of the movement's world
 activities during that epoch.  Of course, that is not an accident, but
 rather a sign that there is much that is politically embarrassing to be
 found in that record."

 "Zionism ... is an ideology, and its chronicles are to be examined with
 the same critical eye that readers should bring to the history of any
 political tendency.  Zionism is not now, nor was it ever, co-extensive
 with either Judaism or the Jewish people. ... As an anti-Zionist Jew,
 the author is inured to the charge that anti-Zionism is equivalent to
 anti-Semitism and 'Jewish self-hatred.' ... It is scarcely necessary
 to add that all attempts to equate Jews and Zionists, and therefore to
 attack Jews as such, are criminal, and are to be sternly repelled."

--Lenni Brenner, "Zionism In the Age of the Dictators", Preface

 ---

 Table of Contents

  Preface

 Chapter 1: Zionism and Anti-Semitism Prior to the Holocaust
 http://www.codoh.com/zionweb/zizad/zizad1.html

 Chapter 2: Blut und Boden (Blood and Soil): The Roots of Racist Zionism

 Chapter 3: German Zionism and the Collapse of the Weimar Republic

 Chapter 4: Zionism and Italian Fascism, 1922-1933

 Chapter 5: German Zionism Offers to Collaborate With Nazism

 Chapter 6: The Jewish Anti-Nazi Boycott and
the Zionist-Nazi Trade Agreement

 Chapter 7: Hitler Looks At Zionism

 Chapter 8: Palestine-The Arabs, Zionists, British and Nazis

 Chapter 9: The World Jewish Congress

 Chapter 10: Zionist-Revisionism and Italian Fascism

 Chapter 11: Revisionism and Nazism

 Chapter 12: Georg Kareski, Hitler's Zionist Quisling Before Quisling

 Chapter 13: Choosing the Chosen People-The Doctrine of
 'Zionist Cruelty'

 Chapter 14: The World Zionist Organisation and Italian Fascism,
 1933-1937

 Chapter 15: Austria and the 'Gentile Friends of Zionism'

 Chapter 16: The Jewish Parties of Eastern Europe

 Chapter 17: Spain-The Nazis Fight, The Zionists Do Not

 Chapter 18: Zionism's Failure to Fight Nazism In
 the Liberal Democracies

 Chapter 19: Zionism and the Japanese East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere

 Chapter 20: Poland, 1918-1939

 Chapter 21: Zionism In Holocaust Poland

 Chapter 22: Zionist Collusion With the Polish Government-In-Exile

 Chapter 23: Illegal Immigration

 Chapter 24: The Wartime Failure to Rescue

 Chapter 25: Hungary, the Crime Within a Crime

 Chapter 26: The Stern Gang
  http://www.codoh.com/zionweb/zizad/zizad26.html

 

 The copyright (©) belongs to the author.  It was published by
 Croom Helm, Kent (Great-Britain) and Laurence Hill, Westport, Conn.
 in the USA, 277 p. ISBN (GB) 0-7099-0628-5; USA (paperback)
 0-88208-164-0 in 1983.  This book has been out of print for years.
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[CTRL] THE ROLE OF ZIONISM IN THE HOLOCAUST

1999-10-19 Thread Bill Kingsbury

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 http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/holocaust.html

Zionism and
   the Holocaust

   THE ROLE OF ZIONISM IN THE HOLOCAUST

 "Spiritually and Physically Responsible "

 From its' inception, many rabbis warned of the potential dangers
 of Zionism and openly declared that all Jews loyal to G-d should
 stay away from it like one would from fire. They made their
 opinions clear to their congregants and to the general public.
 Their message was that Zionism is a chauvinistic racist
 phenomenon which has absolutely naught to do with Judaism. They
 publicly expressed that Zionism would definitely be detrimental
 to the well being of Jews and Gentiles and that its effects on
 the Jewish religion would be nothing other than destructive.
 Further, it would taint the reputation of Jewry as a whole and
 would cause utter confusion in the Jewish and non-Jewish
 communities. Judaism is a religion. Judaism is not a race or a
 nationality. That was and still remains the consensus amongst the
 rabbis.

 We were given the Holy Land by G-d in order to be able to study
 and practice the Torah without disturbance and to attain levels
 of holiness difficult to attain outside of the Holy Land. We
 abused the privilege and we were expelled. That is exactly what
 all Jews say in their prayers on every Jewish festival, "Umipnay
 chatoenu golinu mayartsaynu" - "Because of our sins we were
 expelled from our land".

 We have been forsworn by G-d "not to enter the Holy Land as a
 body before the predestined time", "not to rebel against the
 nations", to be loyal citizens, not to do anything against the
 will of any nation or its honour, not to seek vengeance, discord,
 restitution or compensation; "not to leave exile ahead of time."
 On the contrary; we have to be humble and accept the yoke of
 exile. To violate the oaths would result in "your flesh will be
 made prey as the deer and the antelope in the forest," and the
 redemption will be delayed.

 (Talmud Tractate Ksubos p. 111a).

 To violate the oaths is not only a sin, it is a heresy because it
 is against the fundamentals of our Belief. Only through complete
 repentance will the Almighty alone, without any human effort or
 intervention, redeem us from exile. This will be after G-d will
 send the prophet Elijah and Moshiach who will induce all Jews to
 complete repentance. At that time there will be universal peace.

 All of the leading Jewish religious authorities of that era
 predicted great hardship to befall humanity generally and the
 Jewish People particularly, as a result of Zionism. To be a Jew
 means that either one is born to a Jewish mother or converts to
 the religion with the condition that he or she make no
 reservations with regard to Jewish Law. Unfortunately there are
 many Jews who have no inkling whatsoever as to the duties of a
 Jew. Many of them are not to blame, for in many cases they lacked
 a Jewish education and upbringing. But there are those who
 deliberately distort the teachings of our tradition to suit their
 personal needs.

 It is self understood that not just anyone has the right or the
 ability to make a decision regarding the philosophy or law of a
 religion. Especially matters in which that person has no
 religion. Especially matters in which that person has no
 qualification. It follows then that those individuals who
 "decided" that Judaism is a nationality are to be ignored and
 even criticized. It is no secret that the founders of Zionism had
 never studied Jewish Law nor did they express interest in our
 holy tradition. They openly defied Rabbinical authority and
 self-appointed themselves as leaders of the Jewish "nation".

 In Jewish history, actions like those have always spelled
 disaster. To be a Jew and show open defiance of authority or to
 introduce "amendment" or "innovation" without first consulting
 with those officially appointed as Jewish spiritual leaders is
 the ideal equation to equal catastrophe. One can not just decide
 to "modernize" ancient traditions or regulations. The spiritual
 leaders of contemporary Judaism better known as Orthodox rabbis
 have received ordination to judge and interpret matters
 pertaining to the Jewish faith. These rabbis have received their
 rights and responsibilities and form a link in the unbroken chain
 of the Jewish tradition dating all the way back to Moses who
 received the Torah from Almighty G-d Himself. It was these very
 rabbis who, at the time of the formation of the Zionist movement,
 foresaw the pernicious outcome that was without a doubt lined up.

 It was a man possessing outstanding Judaic genius, and a level of
 uncontested holiness who enunciated the Jewish stance regarding
 Zionism. This charismatic individual, the Rebbe of Satmar, Grand
 Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum, did not mince any words. Straight to the
 point he called Zionism "the work of Satan", "a sacrilege" and "a
 blasphemy". He forbade any 

[CTRL] Israeli Army Mindbenders Plant Stories...

1999-10-19 Thread Tatman, Robert

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Israeli Army Mindbenders Plant Stories: Newspaper

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - The Israeli army plants stories in local newspapers to
sharpen fears about the threat from Iran and the militant Lebanese Islamic
movement Hizbollah, Israel's Ha'aretz newspaper reported Tuesday.

Quoting unnamed Israeli journalists, it said material prepared by the army's
psychological warfare unit was fed first in Arabic and other publications
abroad and then passed on to the local media.

"Most of these items relate to the severity of the threat from Iran and
Hizbollah, and are apparently aimed at strengthening the Israeli public's
perception of this threat," Ha'aretz said.

The Israeli army declined to comment on the report.

Israel regards Iran as a prime threat.

It is also in conflict with Iranian-backed Hizbollah guerrillas, who are
waging a war of attrition against Israeli troops occupying a self-declared
"security zone" in south Lebanon.

Ha'aretz quoted one case where it said a "psych-ops" officer had told an
Israeli journalist: "It's important that you publish this item and I tell
you it's true. I know because I gave it to the (Arabic) paper myself."

Other examples it cited were a report of Hizbollah successes in electronic
warfare, planted to justify defense spending levels, and an alleged summit
meeting of Iranian and Islamic militant leaders at a luxury villa in Greece.


Copyright 1999 Reuters. All rights reserved. This material may not be
published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.


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[CTRL] Treat all Religions Equally, Hindu Group Tells Pope

1999-10-19 Thread Tatman, Robert

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Treat all Religions Equally, Hindu Group Tells Pope

NEW DELHI, India (AP) -- A Hindu group allied with the governing party has
asked Pope John Paul II to affirm that all religions are equal when he comes
to India next month, an Indian news agency reported Tuesday.

The demand by the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh echoed calls made in recent
weeks by other Hindu allies of Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee. They
coincide with a 650-mile march protesting the pope's visit by the Vishwa
Hindu Parishad, or World Hindu Council.

The march from the southwestern state of Goa will reach New Delhi on Nov. 4,
the eve of the pope's visit.

The actions have embarrassed Vajpayee, considered a soft-spoken intellectual
and a moderate politician, as he courts foreign investors and tries to rein
in strident Hindu groups supporting him.

H.V. Seshadri, general secretary of Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, told
activists the pope should announce that Hinduism and Christianity are equal
paths to salvation, the Press Trust of India news agency said.

It quoted Seshadri as saying the pope was denied permission to visit China
and Sri Lanka because those governments feared his visit would encourage
proselytizing by Christian missionaries.

The pope is to be the first foreign guest of Vajpayee's new government,
which took office last week. Some of the Hindu groups have demanded that
neither Vajpayee nor any of his ministers meet with the pope.

During the Nov. 5-8 papal visit -- the second in nearly 15 years _ the pope
will participate in a gathering of Asian bishops, meet Indian secular and
religious leaders and celebrate Mass at Nehru Stadium in the Indian capital.


Most of India's 820 million Hindus and 23 million Christians live in
harmony. Christian missionaries are widely respected for setting up schools
and hospitals in remote areas.

In the last year, however, Christian leaders say there have been at least
100 attacks on them by fringe Hindu groups. The attacks have been
concentrated in four states governed either by Hindu nationalists or
suffering from extreme poverty and illiteracy.

The federal government, which investigated all the cases, says the figures
were exaggerated and most of the incidents were related to property
disputes.

Christian groups say the number and intensity of the attacks are related to
the growth of two fringe Hindu groups allied with Vajpayee's party that
accuse Christian missionaries of targeting poor and illiterate Hindus by
promising cures for blindness and hearing loss.

Christians deny the allegations of coercion and deceit.

Copyright 1999 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may
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Re: [CTRL] New Url for the Illuminati News Home Page ?

1999-10-19 Thread Tenorlove

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The correct URL is


http://mercury.spaceports.com/~persewen/illum_index.htm
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Do You Yahoo!?
Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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Re: [CTRL] 300,000$ reward, bunk. . .

1999-10-19 Thread pmeares

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm not offended in the least by your comments here.  You have all but agreed
 with my basic premise, which is amply illustrated by the court cases which
 are cited in the FAQ, that is that the LAW and the CONSTITUTION do not matter
 a hill of beans if you can't go into court and win the case.

I may be mistaken, but you seem to be getting 'a'
point, while missing 'THE' point

With a few exceptions, when the IRS terrocrats
(terrorist-bureaucrats, collecting debt for the
privately-owned Federale Reserve) take one to court,
they pretty much already know they have an air-tight
case. If they didn't, they might try some coercion to
get what they want or, in rare cases, they might just
go ahead and seize whatever they want, waiting to see
if the victim is competent enough to take it back from
them (via properly written and filed paperwork), but
they wouldn't knowningly adjudicate any case they
weren't 99.9% sure they could win.

[Although, since federale tax cases are tried by a
jury, in reality anything could happen -- no matter how
strong a case the IRS has -- it, as Al Adask put it, is
a 'crapshoot' ("that is, nothing, not even brown paper
bags filled with hundred dollar bills and handed to the
judge will absolutely guarantee victory in a juducial
trial or administrative hearing") and occasionally some
people get lucky using tort and constitutional
arguments, via jury nullification (as in the 'Long'
case, defended by anti-IRS attorney, Larry Becraft
http://fly.hiwaay.net/~becraft/); but such cases are
rare.]

You state, "the LAW and the CONSTITUTION do not matter
a hill of beans if you can't go into court and win the
case". I reply: the IRS is *only* going to take one to
court if they have what they believe to be an air-tight
case -- if they have the ace up their sleeve (i.e.,
'Invisible Contracts'). In other words, if one is not
bound by these "Invisible Contracts", then the IRS is
bound by the Bill of Rights, and their *own* 'laws'.
Under such circumstances, they will not go to court --
ever.

The main 'ace' up the IRS's sleeve -- the main
"Invisible Contract" -- is a bank account, and if one
does not have a bank account, the IRS no longer has
that all important ace. There are several other
"Invisible Contracts" that the IRS can usually use in
it's place, but with these low-cards the IRS would
still be vulnerable in court to a tort defense based on
the Bill of Rights, and their *own* 'laws', if they
can't prove one is bound by these other "Invisible
Contracts" (such as the use of Federal Reserve Notes).

For example, a prosecutor unsuccessfully attempted to
gain jurisdiction over Frog Farmer once through these
"Invisible Contracts". Even though he knew Frog Farmer
didn't have a bank account, the prosecutor thought he
could nab him by getting him to admit in court that he
used Federal Reserve Notes. As it turns out though,
Frog Farmer (an auto mechanic with his own shop) was
aware of the nature of these hidden contracts and had
only been accepting coins from his clients [e.g., when
he would give an estimate he wouldn't say "it will be
about $100", he would say something like, "It will be
about 10 rolls of quarters"]. With the exception of an
occasional barter, coins are the only form of payment
Frog Farmer has accepted for his services since the
early '80's. Needless to say, jurisdiction was never
established and the case was dismissed (note: I don't
recall if this particular case was a tax case, but the
same principles apply).

[Also note that most pro se wins are 'dismissals', thus
there is no record of them. On the other hand, *all*
IRS wins are recorded in the law books. Therefore, a
statist imp like Dan Evans can pull out a seemingly
endless supply of cases where Protestors lost with
off-point tort or constitutional arguments (which were
overruled by "Invisible Contracts") and say: see, the
IRC is constitutionally valid (when it isn't) and the
Bill of Rights is impotent (when it isn't). This way,
most listening to Gremlins and imps like Dan Evans,
will forever pay their taxes without a why and a
wherefore, and also 'throw the book' at Protestors
if they ever serve on a jury in a tax case.]

The point is, in order to be free of the 'king', one
cannot partake in any benefits offered by the 'king',
including using the 'kings' chartered banks, or his
chartered banks' federale reserve notes and, in most
cases, even a regular 'job'. Some Tax Protesters have
gone this route in order to be free of the 'king' and
his Privateers, like the IRS,[1] only to later find
that under their particular economic circumstances,
going back into the 'king's' 'box' -- getting back into
the 'system' (or 'Matrix', if you will) -- was in their
best interest at this point in their life, so they did
-- they gave up some freedom for a little more
'security' and comfort. But that's the way it goes.
Freedom from the 'king' is not for everyone, in fact,
it's probably not appealing for 

[CTRL] ECHELON

1999-10-19 Thread Nicky Molloy

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Microwave mind control.  etc

-Original Message-
From: Steve R [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, 20 October 1999 8:50
Subject: Re:IUFO: ECHELON



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Ashley,
The Echelon links ARE working... I agree it may be only
a matter of time before the blackout.
May I also suggest for those interested:
http://www.iptvreports.mcmail.com/ic2kreport.htm
Regards to all
Steve

Ashley Rye Wrote:
-  IUFO  Mailing List
If you are interested in the subject of 'non-lethal' weapons in use today,
such as microwave transmissions, I urge you to visit the following site:
http://www.isleofavalon.co.uk/local/h-pages/pro-freedom/
The individual concerned, George Farquhar, is protesting peacefully outside
the House of Commons today, where he will very likely chain himself to the
railings, and the chances are quite good that he will get arrested. The
Echelon links on his site are no longer working, and before the entire site
becomes 'unavailable', I'd suggest a visit...
Ash
Ash's Mural Gallery:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/3517/Ash/index.html
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [abinfo] In Defence of Sitchin

1999-10-19 Thread Das GOAT

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 Golly,. I'm famous.

In a message dated 99-10-19 12:18:48 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Gee, I'm envious! You get an EXTRA fifteen minutes of fame...

That's the way it works, I suppose, now that the Internet has "mirror sites."
 But I'll pass ... I'm herewith donating an extra minute each to fifteen
OTHER contributors to CTRL.

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Re: [CTRL] Black Sun...Something interesting...Read.

1999-10-19 Thread Dano

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A careful examination of the dedication stone reveals a reference
to the "New World Airport Commission"

Anyone ever heard of the New World Airport Commission?

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[CTRL] Free Market = Freedom (?)

1999-10-19 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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"I once debated Milton Friedman.  Friedman repeated the article of
capitalist faith:  the market serves freedom because it responds to
human choices.  Of course I pointed out the obvious that the market can
only reflect human choices - and can therefore only serve human freedom
- on one condition:  that we all can make our choices felt in the
market, and that requires a wide distribution of wealth and income.
The concentration of wealth and income destroy the entire justification
for the market."

--Frances Moore Lappe, speaking at the Responsible Wealth West Coast
Conference, June 4, 1999

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[CTRL] [Fwd: John Pilger: What the USA Is Really Fighting in Colombia]

1999-10-19 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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 Original Message 
Subject: John Pilger: What the USA Is Really Fighting in Colombia
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:14:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: Colombian Labor Monitor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: ?
To: undisclosed-recipients:;

What Washington fears most in South America
is not drugs, but losing control of the
critical north-east corner of the continent
when the US military reluctantly withdraws
from the Panama Canal at the end of the year.
_   THE GUARDIAN [London]

Tuesday, 19 October 1999

**
* COMMENTARY *
**

 Phoney war
 The US is planning a massive
intervention in Colombia under
 the pretext of fighting the
  'narco-guerrilla'
--

By John Pilger

Following its attack on the Balkans, the United States is planning a
massive intervention in Colombia. The Clinton administration has decided
to seek congressional approval for $ 1bn in military aid to the
government of Andres Pastrana in Bogota. This is for a low-level air war,
American-planned and 'advised", with Blackhawk helicopters, satellite
surveillance and cluster bombs. 'It is the same policy," says Amnesty
International, 'that backed death squads in El Salvador in the 1980s."
It is the policy that started the war in Vietnam.

Colombia receives more US arms and equipment than any country in the
world, apart from Israel and Egypt. Last May, the Washington Post
disclosed that 200 American military personnel were playing key parts in
the war against the guerrillas of Colombia's popular resistance, who
occupy an area the size of Switzerland. Justifying a frontal attack on
the resistance presented difficulties for Washington until the War on
Drugs replaced the Soviet Threat, and a new enemy was conjured: the
'narco-guerrilla".

The hypocrisy of American anti-drug campaigns in Colombia dates back to
the 1970s when congress cut back US aid to repressive Latin American
police forces while increasing so called anti-narcotics aid by about the
same amount: a sleight of hand barely acknowledged at the time. 'To keep
the aid coming," wrote Peter Dale-Scott in his book, Cocaine Politics,
'corrupt Latin American politicians helped to invent the spectre of the
drug- financed narco -guerrilla, a myth." He quotes a senior US military
officer who says the way to counter 'those church and academic groups
that have slavishly supported the insurgency in Latin America" is to put
them 'on the wrong side of the moral issue".

Because coca was grown by the poorest peasants as their sole means of
survival, the guerrillas they supported were attacked, in a bogus 'war on
drugs" - while the drug cartels and their allies in the military were
strengthened. This has been US strategy since the 1960s, when a secret
American-led 'Force X" infiltrated the guerrillas, carrying out
atrocities that would then be blamed on the insurgency. Pioneered in
Vietnam by the CIA's infamous Colonel Edward Lansdale, it was also used
in Indonesia during the CIA -assisted bloodbath that brought Suharto to
power.

What Washington fears most in South America is not drugs, but losing
control of the critical north-east corner of the continent when the US
military reluctantly withdraws from the Panama Canal at the end of the
year. Compounding this is the popular nationalism of the reformist
government of Hugo Chavez in oil-rich Venezuela. So far, the Americans
have been able to control Panama by the open threat of an invasion
similar in ferocity to that ordered by President Bush in 1990 on the
pretext of arresting General Noriega, the head of state, drugs dealer and
former friend of George Bush when he ran the CIA. At least 20,000
Panamanian civilians were killed in the American assault. If the popular
resistance in Colombia can be 'pacified", Venezuela may be restored to
its traditional submissiveness.

In Colombia, however, matters are getting out of hand. Last month, a
general strike all but stopped the cities and towns. Ten thousand Indian
people blockaded the south; the majority of high school and university
students walked out of their classes.  Like most of Latin America,
Colombia's economy is prescribed by the International Monetary Fund.
Almost half the gross domestic product goes on paying off an unrepayable
debt, while the Pastrana government is selling off most of the
infrastructure, from telecommunications to the water supply, at well
below its true value but at too high a price for domestic capital. The
beneficiaries are, as ever, US and other western multinationals. In that
respect, it is simply globalisation at work, a war of the rich versus the
poor.

Violence is a constant, with more than 2,000 trade unionists
assassinated, and 

Re: [CTRL] Treat all Religions Equally, Hindu Group Tells Pope

1999-10-19 Thread Franklin Wayne Poley

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I would say that the pope ought to "come clean" on this issue and tell us
what his "Culture of Life" is like and whether it is better than the motto
from the Times of India which is "Let Truth Prevail", leading us to ask the
nature of India's "Culture of Truth". Now "culture" is a scientific word,
not to be used as loosely as a drunk in a beer parlour, so when Vatican
keeps calling for this "Culture of Life", what in heaven's name do they
mean?  And is it better than India's "Culture of Truth" or China's culture
according to the mandate of heaven? You see what I am getting act? Just a
little honesty from the international religious community concerning their
lifestyle or way of life upon this earth and whether it is equal to that of
any other religion, better or worse?
In any case, how could the protestant fundamentalist and evangelical cult
leaders who direct Mfest 2,000 (billed as the biggest missionary meet in
North America) resist the opportunity to invite all world religions to Mfest
2000? http://www.mfest.bc.ca. Gotta love your enemies eh? After all, who
are you going to "convert"? Not those of your present congregations.
FWP.

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Treat all Religions Equally, Hindu Group Tells Pope

NEW DELHI, India (AP) -- A Hindu group allied with the governing party has
asked Pope John Paul II to affirm that all religions are equal when he
comes
to India next month, an Indian news agency reported Tuesday.

The demand by the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh echoed calls made in recent
weeks by other Hindu allies of Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee. They
coincide with a 650-mile march protesting the pope's visit by the Vishwa
Hindu Parishad, or World Hindu Council.

The march from the southwestern state of Goa will reach New Delhi on Nov.
4,
the eve of the pope's visit.

The actions have embarrassed Vajpayee, considered a soft-spoken
intellectual
and a moderate politician, as he courts foreign investors and tries to rein
in strident Hindu groups supporting him.

H.V. Seshadri, general secretary of Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, told
activists the pope should announce that Hinduism and Christianity are equal
paths to salvation, the Press Trust of India news agency said.

It quoted Seshadri as saying the pope was denied permission to visit China
and Sri Lanka because those governments feared his visit would encourage
proselytizing by Christian missionaries.

The pope is to be the first foreign guest of Vajpayee's new government,
which took office last week. Some of the Hindu groups have demanded that
neither Vajpayee nor any of his ministers meet with the pope.

During the Nov. 5-8 papal visit -- the second in nearly 15 years _ the pope
will participate in a gathering of Asian bishops, meet Indian secular and
religious leaders and celebrate Mass at Nehru Stadium in the Indian
capital.


Most of India's 820 million Hindus and 23 million Christians live in
harmony. Christian missionaries are widely respected for setting up schools
and hospitals in remote areas.

In the last year, however, Christian leaders say there have been at least
100 attacks on them by fringe Hindu groups. The attacks have been
concentrated in four states governed either by Hindu nationalists or
suffering from extreme poverty and illiteracy.

The federal government, which investigated all the cases, says the figures
were exaggerated and most of the incidents were related to property
disputes.

Christian groups say the number and intensity of the attacks are related to
the growth of two fringe Hindu groups allied with Vajpayee's party that
accuse Christian missionaries of targeting poor and illiterate Hindus by
promising cures for blindness and hearing loss.

Christians deny the allegations of coercion and deceit.

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[CTRL] EU Stepping Stones

1999-10-19 Thread earthman

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The Stepping Stones of the NWO..next step a unified police force..What was
it the DIcke (LOL and figures ) Said?

Peter


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nzherald99/story.cfm?theClassification=searchtheS
toryID=16618

TAMPERE - The European Union adopted a package of legal reforms at a weekend
summit in Finland aiming to kick-start the bloc's common approach to
refugees, cross-border crime and justice.
Lauded as the next bold step in the union's history after the successful
launch of a single currency, the package seeks to bring European integration
to areas previously left entirely to national Governments.

"We fired a starting gun on developing a common area of justice," German
Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder said, after two days of talks with fellow EU
heads of Government in the industrial city of Tampere.

By focusing on the fight against organised crime and illegal immigration, as
well as on enhancing freedom to travel, the measures adopted at the summit
aim to bring the union closer to its often sceptical citizens.

The EU agreed to simplify extradition rules to crack down on international
criminals, although it refused to go as far as endorsing some members'
suggestions that extradition hearings in court be replaced by a
"eurowarrant."

The EU nations will also start recognising one another's judicial decisions,
such as court rulings, and introduce a basic level of legal aid for people
involved in court proceedings outside their home country.

Police forces of member countries will be able to co-operate more closely
through a taskforce of international senior police officers plotting joint
actions against cross-border crime.

The EU leaders agreed to forge a common set of asylum and immigration
policies by 2004, which would strike a balance between making Europe a safer
place for ordinary people and rooting out illegal immigration and
cross-border crime.

The EU leaders also reached a preliminary consensus on inviting six new
hopefuls to start talks on entering the rich Western club - Malta, Bulgaria,
Latvia, Lithuania, Romania and Slovakia. Cyprus, the Czech Republic,
Estonia, Hungary, Poland and Slovenia are already in the pipeline.

- REUTERS


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[CTRL] THE BEST CONGRESS MONEY CAN BUY....

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   THE BEST CONGRESS MONEY CAN BUY

   Based on records prior to the summer break,

   29 members of Congress have been accused of spousal abuse,
   7 have been arrested for fraud,
   19 have been accused of writing bad checks,
   117 have bankrupted at least two businesses,
   3 have been arrested for assault,
   71 have credit reports so bad they can't qualify for a credit card,
   14 have been arrested on drug-related charges,
   8 have been arrested for shoplifting,
   21 are current defendants in lawsuits,
   and in 1998 alone, 84 were stopped for drunk driving, but released
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[CTRL] Latest Links: Pole Shift

1999-10-19 Thread earthman

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Yo, Here are my Latest links on the Pole Shft from
 http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/linksupdated 15 Oct 99

Peter

URGENT: Nostradamus and Comet Lee...IMPACT
http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/nostralee

Massive planet may lie beyond Pluto
http://www.astronomynow.com/breaking/9910/07mystery/

Discovery of 'New' Planet in our Solar System
http://www.msnbc.com/news/320182.asp?cp1=1

Gulp !
http://www.enterprisemission.com/mco.htm

12th Planet
http://xfacts.com/x2.htm

Hyperdimensional Physics
http://www.enterprisemission.com/hyper1.html

Return of The Phoenix
http://members.aa.net/~mwm/phoenix/phoenix.html

Polar motion, 1994-1997
http://members.aa.net/~mwm/phoenix/library/polarwander20.html

Aug 11 Eclipse Foucault pendulum Experiment
http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast12oct99_1.htm

Caves in the US
http://cavern.com/caves.htm

Self Healing Techniques
http://www.globalserve.net/~sharont/eft.htm#energy

Who built the pyramids on the Giza Plateau?
http://ad2004.com/Biblecodes/Hebrewmatrix/pyramidspt1.html

The Stargate Conspiracy
http://www.templarlodge.com/stargate.html

Is Sound Creating Crop Circles ?
http://www.lovely.clara.net/crop_circles_sound.html

Conspiracy Links
http://members.tripod.com/gonzolinks/conspiracy/body_conspiracy.html#indexes

OTO Links
http://www.swankbodymod.com/oto/links.htm
The Institute of Creation Research
http://www.icr.org/

Connecticut is going to an ID card
 http://www.dss.state.ct.us/digital.htm

US Army Survival Manual on Special..Enter in Search
http://bn.bfast.com/bfast/click/mid1349732?siteid=10734186bfpage=b

Indian Rock Carvings
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/8020/interestingstuff.html

Dinosaur Extinction Not Caused by Meteorite
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/dinoeggs990926.html

The Book of Enoch
http://wolf.mind.net/library/ancient/enoch/enindex.htm

The Book of Thomas
http://home.epix.net/~miser17/Thomas.html
The Dead Sea Scrolls
http://metalab.unc.edu/expo/deadsea.scrolls.exhibit/Library/library.html

Ancient Texts
http://wolf.mind.net/library/libindex.htm

Religious Texts
http://davidwiley.com/religion.html

Ancient Manuscripts
http://www.ancientmanuscripts.com/

The Nag Hammadi Library
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlalpha.html

US Land Grab
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_lamb/19990901_xchla_land_off_l.shtml

MRE's Being Stored in Kansas City
http://www.garynorth.com/y2k/detail_.cfm/6298

Category: Martial_Law
http://www.garynorth.com/y2k/results_.cfm/Martial_Law

Project Blue Beam
http://www.connectcorp.net/~hoseaministries/page10.html

Project Blue Beam Comic
http://www.mackwhite.com/

Ancient Astronauts
http://ufos.miningco.com/msub30.htm?pid=2733cob=home

Nazca Lines of Peru
http://www.flinet.com/~labyrinthina/ica.htm#gliptolithic

QuickTime animation 5/5/2000.
http://drumright.ossm.edu/astronomy/movie.html

Diving for History in Black Sea's Abyss
http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-09/26/195l-092699-idx.ht
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Climate disaster possible by 2100
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_443000/443837.stm

Climate Change and its impacts
http://www.met-office.gov.uk/sec5/CR_div/Brochure98/

The Planet that hums
http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19990911/theplanett.html

Nuclear Explosion Hit Michigan 10,000 Years Ago?
http://topping.www-user.imagiware.com/Copy-PU.htm

The Alien Agenda
http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/prediction/51/text-files/files.html

Archaeology, Archaeoastronomy, Ancient Civilisations
http://www.freeyellow.com/members7/howardmj/

Detention Camps
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[CTRL] AF News 20 Oct 99

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991924.  Improved recruiting site shows high-tech Air Force

RANDOLPH AIR FORCE BASE, Texas (AFPN) -- The Air Force introduced a
redesigned recruiting Web site Oct. 18 that allows users to feel as if they
are truly experiencing the past, present and future of the Air Force.

The redesign uses cutting-edge technology to provide in-depth information to
help young men and women make a well-informed decision about joining the Air
Force.

"The innovative artistic design and increased functionality of the Web site
allows users the choice to link to 'microsites' focusing on career and
educational opportunities provided by the Air Force," said Tech. Sgt.
Charles T. Marshall, marketing noncommissioned office at Air Force
Recruiting Service.  "The new airforce.com raises the bar for interactivity
in Web design.  The level of sophistication involved in this site is more of
what one would expect from a CD-ROM rather than the Internet."

To gain a better understanding of the Air Force overall, the site is divided
into three chronological sections.  The past, present and future components
provide users a detailed and interactive look at the Air Force.

The "Boneyard" section of the site, in the past section, features retired
aircraft including bombers, fighters, reconnaissance aircraft, experimental
planes and helicopters.  Guests can browse through this section to
understand more about each aircraft's specific purpose, and view a fact
sheet on size, speed and armament.

The "Flight Plan" section of the site showcases the flight plans of past Air
Force members including Jimmy Stewart, Chad Hennings, and former Thunderbird
pilots.  The Air Force defines these flight plans as an individual's goals,
opportunities and achievements while they were in the Air Force.  This
section also includes advice to future Air Force members.

Other components of the past section include an extensive Air Force history
section, a complete timeline divided by decade, and an Air Force Trivia
game.

The "Hangar", found in the present section of the site, offers users vivid
displays of aircraft in the current Air Force inventory.  Each month, one
aircraft will be featured with a 3-D view, a video, a photo gallery and an
analysis.  Similar to the boneyard section, the aircraft in the hangar have
descriptions on their purpose and facts on their size, speed and armament.


The "Flight Plan" in the present section invites users to read flight plans
of current Air Force members.  Prospective candidates can complete a Flight
Plan questionnaire, which asks about the candidate's activities, hobbies,
achievements, goals, job interests and educational plans.  Afterward,
potential recruits are encouraged to take this document to their local
recruiter's office.

The "Air Force Life" section describes day-to-day life in the Air Force.
From basic training, to life on the base, this section details the core
values and team-oriented atmosphere the Air Force provides.

The "Technology" section reviews current advances in aerospace systems,
flight systems, weaponry and communications.  In addition, users can play
games in the "Air Force Arcade," and can find downloadable wallpaper,
screensavers and video clips in the "Media Gallery."

Offering users a glimpse of the future, this section features "Tomorrow's
Vision for the Air Force," "Future Technologies" and "Life in Space," which
predicts that the Air Force will play a major role in the expansion and
exploration of aerospace in the next century.  Concept images for some of
the future technologies will be included in each section.  For example, the
future technology section contains a concept sketch of the Joint Strike
Fighter.

The Air Force will conduct an on-line Career Forum on broadcast.com Oct. 21.
Six Air Force professionals with expertise in such diverse fields as
engineering, broadcast journalism and computer science will speak directly
to interested Web site visitors about the extensive educational options and
career opportunities available in the Air Force.  Anyone wishing to
participate in this event must pre-register on broadcast.com or
airforce.com.  The event will take place at 7:00 p.m. CDT; registration may
take place up to and during the event.


991922.  New study can't rule out 'PB' connection to Gulf War illnesses

by Douglas J. Gillert
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON (AFPN) -- Anti-nerve agent pills given to troops during the
Gulf War cannot be ruled out as a possible cause for some of the illnesses
veterans of the war have reported.

New concerns about pyridostigmine bromide, an investigational drug
administered to service members deployed for the Gulf War, are raised in a
RAND study released by the Pentagon Oct. 19.

Pyridostigmine bromide, or PB, was given the troops because it's the only
medication available to protect humans against soman, a deadly nerve agent
known to be 

[CTRL] Contact SENATORS on Forfeiture Reform!!!!

1999-10-19 Thread Bill Richer

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ACTION: Forfeiture Reform in Trouble in Senate!!!
Sessions teams up with Shumer to gut Forfeiture Reform Bill

On June 24 the U.S. House passed HR 1658, The Civil Asset Forfeiture
Reform Act of 1999, which was cosponsored by Rep Ron Paul and had
the active support of the Libertarian Party.  The LP national office issued
an action alert on June 19 and a press release on June 23 urging support
of the measure, which "would weaken the government's power to seize
your property."

The bill has been referred to the Senate, but so far no one has introduced
the bill as passed in the House.  However, the current issue of the Drug
Reform Coordination Network's weekly online newsletter (at www.drcnet.org)
has the
following alert from the Drug Policy Foundation:

DPF Alert: Senator Session's Version of Civil
Asset Forfeiture Reform Bill Worse than Nothing;
Public Action Needed

Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL), a former federal prosecutor, introduced
the "Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform Act" (S. 1701) on October 6. The
bill, presented as a companion bill to Rep. Henry Hyde's (R-IL) "Civil
Asset Forfeiture Reform Act" (H.R. 1658), is actually a substitute. It
guts nearly all the reforms from the House bill and makes it easier for
law enforcement to seize and keep private property. The Drug Policy
Foundation recommends that you contact your Senators to urge
them to oppose S. 1701 and to encourage them to introduce Rep.
Hyde's bill in the Senate.

Sessions introduced his bill with Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) as the lead
co-sponsor. Other cosponsors include Sen. Strom Thurmond (R-SC), Sen.
Joseph Biden (D-DE), Sen. Jesse Helms (R-NC), Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA),
and Sen. Max Cleland (D-GA). The Department of Justice, the FBI, the DEA
and numerous law enforcement organizations support Sessions' bill.

As the alert indicates, Sessions bill doesn't just weaken HR 1658 but
rather contains sections designed to STRENGTHEN the government's
power to seize your property.  HR 1658 contains only 5 sections,
whereas S. 1701 contains 32.  Here is a sample of the provisions
added in Session's bill:

SEC. 18. ACCESS TO RECORDS IN BANK SECRECY JURISDICTIONS.

SEC. 19. COOPERATION AMONG FEDERAL PROSECUTORS.

SEC. 20. ACCESS TO OTHER RECORDS.


We need to urge support for the original bill HR 1658
and oppose Session's substitute S. 1701:

SAMPLE LETTER OR SCRIPT:
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Dear Senator,

Henry Hyde's Asset Forfeiture Reform bill, H.R. 1658, passed
overwhelmingly in the House of Representatives and is an important
measure that deserves the support of the Senate.

Jeff Sessions' S. 1701 would send our unjust Asset Forfeiture Laws
much further out of control.  Please Sponsor Legislation similar
to Hy'des H.R. 1658.  Please oppose S.1701 or any similar legislation.

It is time to honor our Constitution and restore Due Process of Law
to our legal justice system.

A Concerned American,
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SOLDIERS FOR THE TRUTH
COMBAT REPORT 10/18/99

Warriors are filled with idealism and patriotism. They conduct themselves
with high professionalism. They are noble, brave, selfless truth tellers
who proudly wear an American uniform with grace and dignity.

Editor Ray Shawstad,
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

CONTENTS:

1. Here I Am, Send Me!
2. Nuggets From The U.S. Naval Institute Proceedings
3. Thoughts of a Patriot
4. Andrew Joseph Galambos, Soldier - A Memorial
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1. HERE I AM, SEND ME!
By Ray Shawstad

PART 1.

The motivation to join The Salvation Army in peacetime is similar to the
desire to become a wartime warrior-defender: saving lives for the present
with future implications. In the first case it is the custom to go unarmed,
but in Luke 22:36 Jesus commanded his disciples “He that hath no sword, let
him sell his garment and buy one”. Many instances of chaplain assistants
armed blew away attackers while defending their chaplain.

On December 7, 1941 Aviation Ordnanceman 3rd class John D. Buckley, a
Salvationist and member of the Future Officers‘ Fellowship was killed in
action at his machine gun post, Pearl Harbor.

March 1942 saw the transport of all Japanese on the West Coast including
Salvation Army persons to relocation camps. Major and Mrs. Tozo Abe during
their three-year internment at Heart Mountain, Wyoming continued their
Salvationist officer functions in uniform.

During World War II the Salvation Army operated 200 USO clubs as well as
219 emergency service centers (Red Shield clubs) which offered showers and
sleeping facilities for the military. (Source: Marching to Glory: The
History of The Salvation Army in the United States, 1880-1992 Second
Edition by Dr. Edward H. McKinley Copyright  1995 by William Eerdmans
Publishing Company, Grand Rapids, MI - cited in WAR CRY, August 21, 1999)

The Salvation Army is in more than 100 countries around the world.
Communication with some territories has been cut off for six months or more
on occasion. The Salvation Army is without guns now in Vietnam, restricted
to non-evangelical duty and planning good works.

In the United States today Justice Fellowship president Patrick Nolan says
“The (criminal justice ) Index demonstrates that the system is failing
because of our current overuse of prisons as punishment, our failure to
address the needs of the victims and a total disregard for the
rehabilitation of non-violent offenders who often become violent while
incarcerated.”

“The Salvation Army supports the concept of Restorative Justice which
emphasizes the ways in which crime harms relationships in the context of
community. Crime is viewed as a violation of the victim and the community,
not a violation of the state. As a result, the offender becomes accountable
to the victim and the community, not the state”.

A thirteen point description of Restorative Justice in practice includes
that : 1. “Support and assistance are provided to victims and families of
victims by community volunteers, faith communities and professional
agencies”; and 2. “Restitution is given priority over other financial
obligations of the offender”..4. “The community provides work
opportunities so offenders can pay restitution to victims” (WAR CRY,
August 7, 1999).


To summarize, the Salvation Army is a disciplined institution with a chain
of command, firm rules on welfare cases, and strict financial controls with
low overhead. See http://publications.salvationarmyusa.org for a mission
statement.

PART 2.

A reluctance to kill must be overcome by our polite warrior-to-be - it is a
Jewish tenet that if some one comes at you with intent to kill, you kill
him first, because your body belongs to God and you must defend it. The
first rule is STAY ALERT and STAY ALIVE.

To prepare I remember FIX BAYONETS: The Korean veteran Captain-instructor
shouted KILL! KILL! KILL! The emotional quality and excitement of his voice
made our hearts pound. He roared NEVER NEVER NEVER GIVE UP!

In discussion after the first session we realized that our training with
other action-at-a-distance weapons was not a game but serious business. We
began to sharpen our bayonets. That night we mentally rehearsed the kick
and stomp of clearing flesh from the blade.  We mentally rehearsed the butt
stroke to the opponents chin and and bridge of the nose and tensed, flexed
and relaxed our muscles.

To discuss the above with a shrink-meister is to risk being labeled
“Psychotic”, with subsequent denial of long-term nursing home care
insurance. The warrior spirit requires paying the price of servanthood

Those who face fear must have time to wind up before the action and wind
down after the action. This was not seen in Vietnam. Personnel were hurried
to and from by air when a cruise on a ship was needed. Time for mental
rehearsal thinking 

[CTRL] *** PRIVATE MAIL *****

1999-10-19 Thread Para

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Hello Mack,
Are you there?
I sent you an e-mail acknowledging receipt of your tape, and I sent you a
list of my tapes for you to choose from - you were so nice to send that
tape over, I really appreciated it.

Let me know if you receive this ... OK

Regards,
Roger Stevenson in England


At 08:21 13/10/99 -0600, you wrote:
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"Operation Blue Beam," a new comic story, may be read at my website:

http://www.mackwhite.com

Mack White

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[CTRL] DIA tidbits

1999-10-19 Thread Tsadowq

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In a message dated 10/19/1999 1:39:18 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 It says:  "I was once a little child who longed for other worlds.
 But I am no more a child for I have known fear.
 I have learned to hate...
 How tragic, then, is youth which lives with enemies, with gallows ropes.
 Yet, I still believe I only sleep today, that I'll wake up, a child again,
 and, start to laugh and play."

There is something in smaller print at the
bottom, which I cannot make out 

This letter was written by a child who died December 18, 1945, at
the Auschwitz Concentration Camp. The Indian who is pictured in
the grave, you will see has a white glow coming from the eyes.

This, according to my research, indicates "soullessness".

I wish I had more time to write on this subject, and this is
certainly not a ploy to "hock" tapesBut, I am currently
finishing a video series, which is a condensed version of
my previously published book:

ATLANTIS: The Beast That Was, Is Not, And Yet Is.

Part two of the series, explains in detail the significance to
this set of DIA murals. I am finally at a point where I can
begin to section off some of my time and put up a website--
and the DIA murals will definately be part of what will be
included at the site.

The murals that everyone seems to be familiar with, are at a
very common area that is frequented by passengers as they
exit the elevators from the underground trains (leading from
the concourses), heading toward the baggage pick-up area.

There is, however, another painting at DIA which never seems to
make it onto the web. It depicts "Mother Earth - Father Sky",
which is basically another way of saying Isis and Osiris.

Despite the objection of those on this list who whine at
the attempt to send "unsolicited" .jpg attachments to
the CTRL list, I will, at my next convenience, scan the
photo and send it anyway.

Those who would snivel about it-- can simply choose
NOT to download the file, and keep their pie hole shut.

Needless to say, my overall opinion of the DIA/Masonic
connection is unfavorable, and, the murals present at
DIA's "New World" Airport are NOT coincidental--

They are only part of a much bigger picture.

Tsadowq

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[CTRL] Clinton's dark side emerges on golf course

1999-10-19 Thread Bill Richer

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Clinton's dark side emerges on golf course

FROM BEN MACINTYRE IN WASHINGTON




A STRANGE, solitary figure could be seen on the Army and Navy Country Club
golf course outside Washington on Sunday night, whacking ball after ball into
the pitch darkness as the rain poured down.
It was Bill Clinton, inadvertently offering the stark image of an
increasingly isolated and frustrated President heading towards the end of his
second term, his temper rising and his power waning.

Dusk was already gathering when he suddenly announced that he was going to
play golf, alone, and for two and a half hours he worked his way around the
sodden course, deserted save for his Secret Service detail and a handful of
damp journalists.

"He was playing in the pitch dark," one reporter said. "He was swinging and
wildly hitting balls everywhere."

Mr Clinton's obsession with golf is well known, but his eccentric solo
session has inevitably invited speculation about his state of mind in the
twilight of his presidency. "It was odd. It was strange," one White House
official was quoted as saying.

With just over a year of his last term remaining, Mr Clinton is having to
cede the political spotlight to his would-be successor, Al Gore, and to his
wife, while his ambitions for his own legacy have become bogged down in
partisan politics and bitter budget wrangling. Recently Mr Clinton has taken
to public bouts of introspection, and by his own admission the presidential
temper is starting to fray.

"Some days I wake up on the wrong side of the bed, in a foul humour," he told
an audience earlier this month. "It has occurred to me really that every one
of us has this little scale inside . . . on one side there's the light forces
and on the other side there's the dark forces in our psyche.

"Life is a big struggle to try to keep things in proper balance," he added.

Mr Clinton's darker side was on full display last week after the Senate
rejected the treaty banning nuclear tests that he had planned as the
centrepiece of his foreign policy.

Mr Clinton lambasted Republican senators for what he called their "reckless
partisanship" and "isolationism". And the Senate is not alone in feeling the
rough edge of the presidential tongue.

In the past few weeks he has been heard to lash out at his conservative
enemies, unsympathetic media and even the FBI. Earlier this month, at a White
House picnic, one reporter for Investor's Daily found himself in a slanging
match with Mr Clinton, who then gave instructions that the journalist be
banned from all such functions in the future.

Mr Clinton's frustration was also evident recently when he reflected on the
stalled peace process in Northern Ireland and compared the opposing sides in
the conflict to drunks addicted to violence.

The President's periodic bursts of ill humour may be partly attributable to
disappointment with the campaign being run by his Vice-President, whose
election Mr Clinton sees as crucial to preserving his own place in history.

He has been vociferous in his support of Mr Gore, but last weekend the
front-runner for the Democratic nomination clearly hinted that he might forgo
Mr Clinton's help. Many voters see Mr Gore as tainted by the scandals of the
Clinton presidency.

The President is also said to be finding it hard to adjust to playing second
fiddle to the political ambitions of Hillary Clinton. While he jokes about
joining the "Senate spouses club", associates say he feels more than a twinge
of envy that his political career is winding down, unglamorously, at a moment
when hers may just be taking off.

Some associates say Mr Clinton is still determined to leave an imprint from
his final year in office and is gearing up for a battle over spending with
Republicans in Congress. "He's been in great spirits and he has lots of
fight," Terence McAuliffe, a Democratic fund-raiser and Clinton confidant,
told The Washington Post.

But Mr Clinton's public comments have taken on a mournful, valedictory tone,
and his introductions to White House visitors now tend to start with the
formula "as our time here draws to a close".

On a recent trip to New York a park guide joked that the President could
always get a job with the National Park Service. "I can work cheap, I've got
a good pension," Mr Clinton replied.

But White House insiders say that for all the jocularity, the future is
weighing heavily on his mind.

But the only thing that Mr Clinton has stated with absolute certainty about
his plans after leaving the White House is that they will involve a large
amount of golf.

When he climbed, dripping, into his limousine after Sunday's impromptu and
solitary round of golf, his aides declined to say what he had scored. Perhaps
he was not even counting.


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[CTRL] Endangered Property Rights Part 2

1999-10-19 Thread Bill Richer

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The 1988 Yellowstone National Park fire provided a frightening look into one
of these supernovas. Massive fuel buildup and an irresponsible, early
decision to "let it burn" left an area larger than the state of Delaware —
over one-third of this crown jewel of the park system — blackened and
smoldering. When officials finally did decide to fight the blaze, it was too
late; even with 25,000 firefighters the $120 million suppression effort could
not contain the inferno. It burned for months until finally dowsed by rain.

"After declining fairly steadily for 75 years," the GAO reported, "the
average number of acres burned by wildfires annually on national forests
began to rise over the last decade, nearly quadrupling to about
three-quarters of a million acres per year. Virtually all of this rise is
attributable to the increasing number of very large fires." Dr. Victor
Kaczynski, a fresh water biologist working on salmon recovery, avers: "No
single forest practice — not timber harvesting, nor road building — can
compare with the damage wildfires are inflicting on fish and fish habitat."
Yet the federal bureaucrats and enviromaniacs most responsible for this
ecological carnage claim to be banishing loggers and cows from the range in
the name of protecting our "endangered" finned friends.

Fruits of Central Planning

So what are the fedgov ecocrats actually doing to rectify their years of
mismanagement? In 1997, the Forest Service announced its goal to improve
forest health by resolving the problems of massive fuel buildup and
uncontrollable wildfires on national forests — by the end of fiscal year
2015! The GAO estimates that the cost to the Forest Service to reduce fuels
on the 39 million acres at high risk could be as much as $12 billion. Has the
Forest Service done anything besides announce its goals? No. In fact,
according to the GAO, the agency "has not yet devised a cohesive strategy" to
tackle the problem. Even worse, it found that Forest Service managers
actually have perverse incentives that are adding to the already appalling
conditions. The managers "are rewarded for the number of acres on which they
reduce fuels, not for reducing fuels on the lands with the highest fire
hazards. Because reducing fuels in areas with greater fire hazards is often
more expensive — meaning that fewer acres can be completed with the same
funding level — managers have an incentive not to undertake efforts on such
lands."

In a summation worthy of a Dilbert comic strip, the GAO reports: "The agency
agrees that it has not advanced a cohesive strategy to treat all 39 million
acres of national forestlands at risk of catastrophic fire but says that it
is committed to developing one in a timely manner" (Emphasis added.) A
timely manner? As defined by the Forest Service? Then the Tahoe National
Forest will soon join the Malheur, Plumas, Shasta-Trinity, and other national
forests in flame and ruin.

In an important new study, "Forests: Do We Get What We Pay For?" Holly Lippke
Fretwell points out that in the Shasta-Trinity National Forest in Northern
California "root disease and bark beetles have reached epidemic proportions,
resulting in tree mortality as high as 80 percent in heavily infested areas."
Discussions, debates, and assessments concerning how best to respond to the
insect and disease epidemics have dragged on for a decade. Meanwhile, the
problem has grown into a real crisis that now threatens the entire system.

The Fretwell study, published earlier this year by the Political Economy
Research Center of Bozeman, Montana, has proven to be tragically prophetic.
Uncontrolled wildfires in July, August, and September have consumed 100,000
acres of the Shasta-Trinity Forest — and are still burning as we write. In
the Plumas National Forest in California’s Sierra Nevada Mountains, fires
have ravaged 50,000 acres and are still blazing. Much of the once-beautiful
Tahoe National Forest surrounding the famously clear waters of Lake Tahoe has
turned an ugly brown and is almost certain to go up in flames — if not this
year, then sometime soon. Bark beetles and disease have killed more than 80
percent of the trees over large swaths of the forest. When this precious
watershed is destroyed, Lake Tahoe’s mythical, azure waters will be turned to
mud.

What is desperately needed is thinning of the forests through selective
logging, followed by light, controlled burns. It is worse than absurd to
attempt "controlled burns" in unhealthy forests super-stocked with dead trees
and dense undergrowth, as many of the eco-wackos are now advocating. In fact,
thousands of acres (and dozens of homes) in the Shasta-Trinity Forest were
victims of a "controlled burn" by the BLM that got out of hand on July 2nd of
this year.

Millions of acres of our federally controlled forests, parks, wilderness
areas, wetlands, and wildlife 

[CTRL] Endangered Property Rights Part 1A

1999-10-19 Thread Bill Richer

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Ken Holliday has an even larger chunk of timberland at stake. But he has
other worries as well from the federal bureaucrats. He runs 2,500 to 5,000
head of cattle on his 35,000-acre ranch. He has been informed by officials
that a wolf released in Idaho had crossed over the Snake River and has been
seen on his property. But it is illegal for him to shoot the wolf even if it
is killing his calves. On top of that, he says, environmentalist "neighbors"
have moved onto adjoining property with "pet" purebred wolves and mixed-breed
wolves. "It’s the eco-trendy thing to do for these urban doctors and other
affluent professionals who move up here to rural areas," Holliday told The
New American. "They see us as country bubbas who don’t appreciate the
environment, but we were taking care of the ecology long before they
‘discovered’ it. They go up on the mountain with their expensive wine and
celebrate turning loose their wolves, but that represents a real threat to me
and my family and our livelihood. Raising cattle is around-the-clock
business, and many times we’re up all night nursing calves. We can’t afford
to lose any."

Like most other western ranchers, the Hollidays depend on their grazing
rights on the Forest Service and BLM lands, in addition to their own private
land. But proposed new listings of endangered species jeopardize their
ranching existence. "Eighty percent of our cattle ranching is family-owned,"
Oregon State Senator Ted Ferrioli explained to The New American, "and they
are struggling to make ends meet and to provide healthy, grass-fed beef — not
injected, feed-lot cattle — to the American public. But they’re under real
attack by the environmentalists. The slogan adopted by the radical enviros in
1990 was ‘Cattle Free in ’93,’ by which they meant they were going to run
the cattlemen off the range — through regulation and litigation — by 1993.
Well, they haven’t succeeded completely, but they did cause quite a few
ranchers to go under, and they’re trying to get the rest of them. Loggers and
ranchers are both targeted for extinction by these people."

Ferrioli notes that the Endangered Species Act is one of their weapons. The
Canadian lynx, sage hen, bull trout, cut throat trout, red band trout, and a
host of other "endangered" creatures could choke off cattlemen’s access to
water and pasture. The proposed bull trout listing is an especially
aggravating example of federal malpractice to many Oregon residents. For a
number of years, federal and state authorities were poisoning the bull trout,
trying to get rid of it. Now they have decided that it is endangered and in
need of protection.

As if the ever-changing mandates of state and federal envirocrats are not
sufficiently onerous for the harried ranchers and timbermen, the well-funded
eco-activists are always ready to up the ante with lawsuits. A recent example
is Friends of the Wild Swan vs. U.S. EPA filed in Montana. The suit seeks to
force the Environmental Protection Agency to conduct Endangered Species Act
(ESA) consultation with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service when EPA approves
Montana’s list of water quality-impaired streams pursuant to the Clean Water
Act. This could result in severe restrictions on landowners’ rights to manage
their property.

"Put simply, this is a direct attack on the agricultural and logging
industries in Montana," said Jake Cummins, executive vice president of the
Montana Farm Bureau. "Linking the Endangered Species Act with the Clean Water
Act means every other waterway in Montana could become restricted no matter
how clean the water." The Farm Bureau noted that, if the court rules in favor
of the plaintiffs, federal agencies could second-guess every state water
quality decision under the guise of an ESA consultation.

Ecological Carnage

Are farmers, ranchers, loggers, and other rural residents who are tied
directly and indirectly to these enterprises exaggerating the threat to their
livelihoods and way of life? Not at all. Admissions of intent to eradicate
these resource-based occupations are plentiful in environmentalist
literature. For instance, the May-June 1999 issue of The Salmon-Selway
Defender, the newsletter of the Friends of the Clearwater, published in
Moscow, Idaho, states: "Several years ago the membership of the Sierra Club
voted to endorse ending commercial logging on our national forests We
view ending commercial logging as a way to revitalize the economies of rural
Idaho and the state in general. The timber industry had its day, but that day
is gone and it is time to move on."

It is that view, as implemented by federal officials, that is responsible for
the horrendous condition of our national forests today. The previously
mentioned GAO report, Catastrophic Wildfire Threats, notes:

The most extensive and serious problem related to the health of national

[CTRL] [lawsuit]

1999-10-19 Thread David Crockett Williams

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I am writing asking for your referral to an attorney in the Washington DC
area who can file a $108 million lawsuit for libel and related offenses
against the University of Maryland at College Park and someone associated
with their physics department relating to defamation and hindrance our
network's activities over the past 13months in pursuit of this level of
annual funding to complete new energy research on promising new technologies
to replace nuclear and fossil fuel power as well as the potential ability to
neutralize radioactive wastes.

We are prepared to offer an initial retainer of $500 to an attorney who can
handle this matter and who should be accessible by email and preferably
already familiar with internet related statutes and regulations as apply to
this type of illegal activity.  Best candidate will be someone who is also
experienced and capable in dealing with national media.

Please advise me directly the names, email addresses, and phone numbers of
candidates for this work who you can recommend for my contact as soon as
possible.

Please include above bracketed code [lawsuit] at beginning of subject line,
separated by at least one space from any other notation in the email subject
field, so posts regarding this matter will automatically go to proper file
without getting lost in my email inbox among hundreds of other daily posts.

Thank you very much,

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[CTRL] The word corrupt, just doesn't cut it anymore.

1999-10-19 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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Subject:
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Date:
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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_smith/19991019_xcsof_where_corr.shtml

In October 1999, Indonesia's state-owned electricity company, PT
Perusahaan Listrik Negara (PLN) filed suit to cancel a Clinton
sponsored electric power project, claiming the arrangement was
"full of elements of corruption, cronyism and nepotism."

The PLN allegations of criminal activities surrounding an
Indonesian power plant are backed by documented evidence.  The
Clinton administration documented the Suharto family kick-backs
inserted into an American taxpayer funded power project for
Indonesia.

The $2.5 billion Paiton electric power plant in East Java that
is under dispute is 40%owned by California-based Edison Mission
Energy Co., a unit of Edison International, 32.5% owned by
Mitsui  Co., and 12.5% owned by a unit of General Electric Co.

According to Commerce Dept. documents, 15% of Paiton is held by
an Indonesian group led by businessman Hashim Djojohadikusumo,
whose brother is a General in the Indonesian Army and the
son-in-law of former President Suharto.  The documentation shows
that a ".75%" ownership in the Paiton power plant was given to
the daughter of Indonesian President Suharto.

In 1999, the State Dept. partially released classified documents
on the corrupt activities inside Indonesia.  Several documents
were withheld by the Clinton administration for "national
security" reasons.  This reporter is currently appealing the
State Department ruling.

One State Dept. document released was not to be declassified
until 2016.  The document is a cable from Clinton's Ambassador
to Indonesia, J. Stapleton Roy.  In 1998, Ambassador Roy wrote
"on power projects, corruption, draft laws and the new Director
of Pertamina."

The December 1998 cable includes a discussion between U.S.
Ambassador Roy and an individual whose name was withheld for
national security reasons.  The cable states that the unnamed
individual "stressed that solutions to the problem must be
simple to convince 'the people' that corruption, collusion and
nepotism ('KKN') are being dealt with properly."

The term "KKN", a shortened Indonesian phrase that translates
into "corruption, collusion and nepotism," appears several times
inside the December 1998 message from Ambassador Roy.

The unnamed individual "hinted" that the "rescheduling plan
presented by Edison Mission Energy executives was 'too
complicated.  He added that 'it has to be simple in order that I
can explain it to the people.  The public thinks that all IPP's
(independent power producers) are linked to KKN, so I need to
have a simple plan to sell to them.'"

Ambassador Roy also focused on the close connections between
corruption, the Indonesian Army and the current Indonesian
President Habibie.  According to Roy's 1998 cable, the unnamed
individual "said that the draft oil and gas law is currently
with the State Secretariat (SEKNEG).  He expects it to be
finalized this month and go before the Indonesian parliament
(DPR) in January.  He said that those that are not happy with
the new law - - including Pertamina, the Army and some members
of the Indonesian parliament (DPR) - - have 'vested interests'
in the current system."

Despite the frantic cable from Roy, the Clinton administration
already knew about the bribes built inside the Paiton power
project as early as 1994.  According to a declassified document,
obtained from the Overseas Private Investment Corporation
(OPIC), U.S. legal teams were concerned about the Suharto family
involvement.

In October, 1994, OPIC legal counsel Peter Ballinger wrote a
memorandum that closely reviewed the problems with the Paiton
project.  According to Ballinger, "There are two relatives
involved in the project, President Suharto's second daughter,
Siti Hediati, and her brother-in-law, Hashim Djojhadiksumo.
They have a combined interest in the Paiton project of 2.5%
through their investments in one of the project Sponsors, P.T.
Batu Hitan Perksasa."

"In addition," wrote Ballinger.  "They have a minor ownership in
two of the companies involved in the coal supply chain.  While
their interest in the project is small, it will be subject to
further due diligence in the finance and legal review process."

The due diligence review ended in 1995 with the Asian
Development Bank (ADB) refusing to finance the Paiton power
project because of the "Suharto" first-family concerns.

In response, President Clinton frantically put together a
consortium of U.S. and Japanese banks to finance the deal,
complete with the kick-back to Suharto's family.  Paiton was so
important to Bill Clinton that he pressed for personal letters
from Ron Brown and then Indonesian Ambassador Barry.

One such memorandum was directed to a former Democrat candidate.
In 

Re: [CTRL] THE ROLE OF ZIONISM IN THE HOLOCAUST

1999-10-19 Thread Nurev Ind Research

 -Caveat Lector-

10/19/99

I'm not familiar with all the examples given below, but to the best
of my knowledge most are true.

One must also be aware that the Satmar Hasidim are fanatical fundamentalists
who believe that man should not shape his own destiny but leave all things
in the hands of god.

This group and the assimilationist Jewish Left are the only anti Zionist
Jewish groups I know of. There are many Jews who are not Zionists but are
also not anti Zi0nist.

The lessons should be clear to all. YOU CAN NEVER TRUST YOUR ELITES!!!

If ordinary people don't serve their agendas, or better serve elite
agendas as slaves or corpses, they are are always willing to make the
ultimate sacrifice... YOU.

YOU CAN NEVER TRUST YOUR ELITES.
ROTATE OFTEN,
Joshua2



Bill Kingsbury wrote:

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  http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/holocaust.html

 Zionism and
the Holocaust

THE ROLE OF ZIONISM IN THE HOLOCAUST

  "Spiritually and Physically Responsible "

  From its' inception, many rabbis warned of the potential dangers
  of Zionism and openly declared that all Jews loyal to G-d should
  stay away from it like one would from fire. They made their
  opinions clear to their congregants and to the general public.
  Their message was that Zionism is a chauvinistic racist
  phenomenon which has absolutely naught to do with Judaism. They
  publicly expressed that Zionism would definitely be detrimental
  to the well being of Jews and Gentiles and that its effects on
  the Jewish religion would be nothing other than destructive.
  Further, it would taint the reputation of Jewry as a whole and
  would cause utter confusion in the Jewish and non-Jewish
  communities. Judaism is a religion. Judaism is not a race or a
  nationality. That was and still remains the consensus amongst the
  rabbis.

  We were given the Holy Land by G-d in order to be able to study
  and practice the Torah without disturbance and to attain levels
  of holiness difficult to attain outside of the Holy Land. We
  abused the privilege and we were expelled. That is exactly what
  all Jews say in their prayers on every Jewish festival, "Umipnay
  chatoenu golinu mayartsaynu" - "Because of our sins we were
  expelled from our land".

  We have been forsworn by G-d "not to enter the Holy Land as a
  body before the predestined time", "not to rebel against the
  nations", to be loyal citizens, not to do anything against the
  will of any nation or its honour, not to seek vengeance, discord,
  restitution or compensation; "not to leave exile ahead of time."
  On the contrary; we have to be humble and accept the yoke of
  exile. To violate the oaths would result in "your flesh will be
  made prey as the deer and the antelope in the forest," and the
  redemption will be delayed.

  (Talmud Tractate Ksubos p. 111a).

  To violate the oaths is not only a sin, it is a heresy because it
  is against the fundamentals of our Belief. Only through complete
  repentance will the Almighty alone, without any human effort or
  intervention, redeem us from exile. This will be after G-d will
  send the prophet Elijah and Moshiach who will induce all Jews to
  complete repentance. At that time there will be universal peace.

  All of the leading Jewish religious authorities of that era
  predicted great hardship to befall humanity generally and the
  Jewish People particularly, as a result of Zionism. To be a Jew
  means that either one is born to a Jewish mother or converts to
  the religion with the condition that he or she make no
  reservations with regard to Jewish Law. Unfortunately there are
  many Jews who have no inkling whatsoever as to the duties of a
  Jew. Many of them are not to blame, for in many cases they lacked
  a Jewish education and upbringing. But there are those who
  deliberately distort the teachings of our tradition to suit their
  personal needs.

  It is self understood that not just anyone has the right or the
  ability to make a decision regarding the philosophy or law of a
  religion. Especially matters in which that person has no
  religion. Especially matters in which that person has no
  qualification. It follows then that those individuals who
  "decided" that Judaism is a nationality are to be ignored and
  even criticized. It is no secret that the founders of Zionism had
  never studied Jewish Law nor did they express interest in our
  holy tradition. They openly defied Rabbinical authority and
  self-appointed themselves as leaders of the Jewish "nation".

  In Jewish history, actions like those have always spelled
  disaster. To be a Jew and show open defiance of authority or to
  introduce "amendment" or "innovation" without first consulting
  with those officially appointed as Jewish spiritual leaders is
  the ideal equation to equal catastrophe. One can not just decide
  to "modernize" ancient traditions or 

[CTRL] From MSNBC: FCC TO Rexamine Modem Tax (fwd)

1999-10-19 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

 -Caveat Lector-

FCC to re-examine 'modem tax'

The Federal Communications Commission this year will re-examine the
issue of whether Internet service providers should pay a per-minute
fee for connecting to the local telephone network, said a
commission official.

http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/324870.asp

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   The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends
   Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day.
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Re: [CTRL] [The real deal?] Re: A defense of reptile Sitchin (fwd)

1999-10-19 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Kris Millegan wrote:


   Evil *IS* a worthy adversary! 

 Evil is no adversary, it is a concept void without meaning in the eye of God.


How so?

"Evil" is any effort that seeks to, or does, infringe on one's
ability to exercise Freedom of Choice, no?

And, *if so*, then those that are of evil intent *are* worthy
adversaries.


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   Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day.
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[CTRL] Just when you think it couldn't get more gaudy (fwd)

1999-10-19 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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An Islamist newspaper on Tuesday denounced Egypt's plans for a
spectacular New Year millennium celebration as part of a Zionist
plot to lay claim to the pyramids.

Al-Shaab, bi-weekly mouthpiece of Egypt's Islamist-oriented Labor
Party, argued that the show, organized by "Zionist" French
musician Jean-Michel Jarre, would bolster what it called Zionist
claims that Jews had constructed the 4,500-year-old pyramids.

http://news.excite.com/news/r/991019/07/odd-plot

 A HREF="http://news.excite.com/news/r/991019/07/odd-plot"Click here:
Millennium Bash Decried As Plot/A


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  FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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   The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends
   Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day.
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[CTRL] Black Chemtrails are the Binary agent

1999-10-19 Thread earthman

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From: "Retha Rutherford" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

IMPORTANT!  I have heard that the Black Chemtrails are the Binary agent.
Stay indoors and away from them.  Rusty
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Subject: [earthchanges] WHAT IS GOING ON?? THE WINDS OF CHANGE ARE BLOWING!!


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 http://home.earthlink.net/~ravenlmr/thisone.htm


We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard
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