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A-albionic Weekly Up-date of December 9, 1999
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Official Georgetown Publication Documents A-albionic Theory?

Telling excerpt from:  Georgetown's School of Foreign Service:
   The First 75 Years--The Edmund A. Walsh
   School of Foreign Service  (pp. 17-19)
   Copyrighted 1994, Edmund A. Walsh School
   of Foreign Service


 A Catholic Institution

Georgetown's success was not universally welcomed in the aca-
demic community or, presumably, in the rarefied atmosphere
of the old State Department. As the School's graduates began
to achieve positions of responsibility in diplomacy and other
fields. concern arose in certain quarters-specifically among the
Scottish Rite Masons-that the ranks of American diplomacy
and of American companies engaged in foreign business might
come to be populated "with well-trained men brought up in .
belief in the Papacy and all that that implies." An article in;
Masonic Journal called The Crescent, published in October 1928
conceded that Georgetown's School of Foreign Service was
"ably managed, finely staffed and magnificently equipped,"
that its faculty consisted of "sixty teachers of the highest quali-
fications, picked for their learning and their ability to teach,"
as a result of which "there is no better school of its kind." The
article conceded further that "While it is part of a Catholic uni-
versity, religion as such is not taught as part of its courses, and
its students are not limited to those of the Catholic faith." These
attributes, as seen in the article, made the menace all the greater,
raising the specter "that our diplomatic, consular and trade com-
missioner positions become, in time, very heavily Catholic." (18)

  To help remedy this perceived threat, the Scottish Rite lodges
had concluded an agreement with President Cloyd Heck
Marvin of the George Washington University providing an
endowment of $1 million for the establishment in 1928 of a
new, "non-sectarian" School of Government at George Wash-
ington University. A condition was attached that if the univer-
sity should "cease to be a non-sectarian institution," the gift
would revert. The new program evolved into the present-day
Elliott School of International Affairs of The George Washing-
ton University. (l9)

  Periodic whispering campaigns over the decades that fol-
lowed spread the warning that the School of Foreign Service at
Georgetown was a subversive instrument of the Vatican. Fa-
ther Frank Fadner, who was regent of the School from 1955
until 1960, greeted the charge with the mordant observation,
"I didn't realize the Vatican had a foreign policy," adding,  "We
have no Catholic axe to grind here at Georgetown. Our job is to
produce well-rounded, intelligent representatives of a Chris-
tian, professional education." (20)

  From its beginnings the School of Foreign Service has been
hospitable to students, faculty and administrators of all faiths
As of the fall of 1940, for example, the School's records showed
a student body of 372 Catholics, 213 Protestants, 19 Jews and 2
undesignated, and a faculty made up of 23 Catholics, 24 Prot-
estants and one Jew. The student and faculty populations have
been steadily, and increasingly, ecumenical over the years but
the Jesuit tradition has remained strong. Its effect has been to
hold before the curriculum and the academic environment an
appreciation of and sensitivity to values-Christian values in
the inclusive, ecumenical sense in which Christian values in-
clude the universal principles of all faiths. In the words of the
present-day director of the undergraduate program, Associate
Dean Putnam Ebinger (herself a non-Catholic), "We want our
students to think about how things should be, right and wrong.
We would also like to think that part of what they are seeking
is a better world, and I think that such questions are asked
throughout the curriculum." (21)

  For such relevance as it may have, it may be noted that the
first Catholic president of the United States was a products of
Harvard University and the first president to come from
Georgetown--a graduate of the School of Foreign Service--is
a Baptist, the product of an ecumenical education rooted in
Jesuit values. (22)
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18.  "A Catholic School,"  The Crescent, vol. XVII, no. 1, October 1928
19.  Peter P. Hill, The Elliott School of International Affairs:  A
History
 of International Studies at the George Washington University.
 (George Washington University, 1991).
20.  Robert Finley Delaney, "Training School for American Diplomats,"
 Information Magazine. January 1960. p. 16
21.  Interview with Associate Dean Putnam Ebinger, October 1, 1993.
22.  Interview with Dean Peter Krogh, September 29, 1993.

[CTRL] The Secret Branch of Government

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Fla. Judge Blocks Access to Reports

By RICHARD CARELLI
.c The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - A federal judge in Florida has cut off public access
nationwide to the financial disclosure reports all federal judges are
required to file each year, an unprecedented move that is drawing strong
rebukes from open-records advocates.

U.S. District Judge William J. Zloch ordered the moratorium out of concern
that posting the reports on the Internet would mean ``universal and anonymous
access, raising security issues,'' said federal courts spokeswoman Karen
Redmond.

Since 1979, federal judges and other high-ranking federal officials have been
required by federal law to report all stock holdings and other family assets
within broad ranges of estimated worth. They also must list gifts and other
reimbursements.

Home addresses, telephone numbers and other information raising obvious
privacy issues need not be listed.

The Administrative Office of U.S. Courts routinely has made copies of reports
available, for a fee, to anyone who requests them after requesters identify
themselves and disclose their occupation.

The action by Zloch, in an order issued last week in Fort Lauderdale, came
after a news organization, APBnews.com, requested the 1998 financial
disclosure reports of some 1,600 active and semiretired federal judges and
magistrates as part of a project that would make all of them available on the
Internet.

Zloch's order blocking public release of all reports is temporary - designed
to give a committee of judges time to discuss the ramifications of an
Internet posting, Redmond said, and could end as soon as Friday.

But that did not appease some critics.

``It's appalling. It's basically the courts saying, 'We favor access as long
as it's not meaningful,''' said Gregg Leslie, acting executive director of
the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press. ``This judge apparently
does not appreciate the interests behind access, the importance of public
accountability,'' he said.

Paul McMasters of the Freedom Forum said: ``The security of judges is no
minor matter but neither is full and free access to information about public
officials. I hope the federal judiciary will quickly reconsider this hold on
the flow of information.''

Mike Casey of the Environmental Working Group, which monitors potential
conflicts of interest by judges, also was critical.

``After all the revelations about stock conflicts and anti-environmental
junkets, you'd think the judiciary would clean up its act instead of trying
to bully reporters into not informing the public,'' Casey said.

Rep. Howard Coble, R-N.C., a House Judiciary Committee member, voiced little
sympathy for the judges.

``Any public official who draws a salary from taxpayers' money should have
complete and open financial disclosure, and that includes posting on the
Internet,'' he said.

The Center for Responsive Politics, a Washington-based research group, posts
on the Internet financial disclosure forms of all members of Congress.

Zloch is on the 26-judge U.S. Judicial Conference, which is chaired by Chief
Justice William H. Rehnquist and makes federal court policy. Zloch heads its
15-member financial disclosure committee.

Redmond said the committee will meet Friday.

``I can't imagine this moratorium will last much beyond the committee
meeting,'' she said, but added that she could not ``say with certainty'' when
the committee will take definitive action.

The Ethics in Government Act of 1978, as amended last year, gives federal
courts the right to withhold any report temporarily for security reasons. The
amendment allows a report to be ``redacted,'' or censored, ``only to the
extent necessary to protect the individual who filed the report'' and only
``for as long as the danger to such individual exists.''

Redmond did not offer examples of how Internet release of a judge's financial
disclosure statement might lead to security risks. But she said some judges
now require round-the-clock protection by U.S. marshals.

``Judges have very unique jobs,'' she said. ``They sentence murderers,
terrorists and other criminals. Some judges' lives have been threatened.''

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 New World colonists from the mysterious Jomon culture?


 DNA links Japanese with ancient Andeans

 by Steve Connor
 London Independent, Dec 1, 1999

 Scientists have established a direct link between the present-day
inhabitants of Japan and the ancient Andeans by studying the DNA of mummies
recovered from the Atacama Desert in Chile.
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 The findings show that...  the Asiatic ancestors of the Andeans ...
migrated to Alaska across the frozen Bering Strait more than 20,000 years ago
to colonize North and South America.
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 --Study published in the journal Nature Medicine, by Kazuo Tajima and
colleagues from the Aichi Cancer Center Research Institute in Nagoya, Japan

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Re: [CTRL] Safra Death a Mystery

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In a message dated 99-12-08 19:11:14 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Is there perchance a gay angle to this all?
Hmnnn.

Well, all the "male nurses" attending Safra DOES seem to suggest that
possibility.

If "I" were an aged bachelor billionaire living in seclusion in Monaco, MY
"nurses" would all be barely-18 porno queens in skimpy French maid outfits
(when dressed at all) ... Let the damned pharmacy and a private physician on
call handle any medication needed ...

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[CTRL] [endsecrecy] HAARP Montauk

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Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
From: Remy C. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: endsecrecy list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [endsecrecy] HAARP  Montauk
Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 6:16 AM

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [SO] HAARP--Expansion of Montauk Project//By Nichols and Moon
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 08:13:53 EST



Subj:HAARP--Expansion of Montauk Project//By Nichols and Moon
Date:   12/7/99 1:13:00 AM Eastern Standard Time
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NewsHawk Inc.)
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12.6.99
HAARP--Expansion of Montauk Project//By Nichols and Moon


A top-level dissertation from some of the best in the field--and I say that
based on a great number of personal interactions with both the authors--on
what's going on at this time with global mind control, mood manipulation,
consciousness control, artificially-induced "earth changes", genetic
modification/mutation and even "reality engineering";
by means of HAARP technology utilized by the covert, New World Order
global government.


NewsHawk® Inc.
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HAARP Project
Expansion of the Montauk Project
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/project018.html
Top Secret Projects
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/projects.html

Expansion of the Montauk Project
By Preston Nichols and Peter Moon

Excerpted from the chapter "Star Wars and Mind-Control Transmissions" in
Encounter in the Pleiades, an Inside Look at UFOs.
Mind-control transmissions are another phenomenon that fits in with the
subject of implants, although they are of a completely different nature. I
will illustrate how these work by relaying a real-life investigation.
In the summer of 1995 I received a telephone call from a woman I will
identify as Susan DaRe. She felt that she had been targeted by mind-control
transmissions, sickness transmissions and just about everything else. Her
story interested me enough that I decided I would visit her and do an
electromagnetic study. I was already going to a hamfest (where ham radio
gear is bought and sold) in Virginia, and it was not too much out of my way
to stop in at her home right across from Fort Meade, a military installation
in Maryland. When I arrived, we went out to dinner with her friend Bruce and
she began to tell me her life story.

Susan was born in 1951 and was adopted by a German family who had come to
America after World War II and had been involved with Adolf Hitler and the
Third Reich. Her family owned a lumber business in the Midwest and
frequently played host to intelligence personnel such as CIA and NSA
staffers. As a young lady, she had some sort of magical initiation. Susan
was subsequently implanted and grew up. Today she claims to have tremendous
psychic ability.

As an adult, Susan searched for her natural father and found out that he had
served extensively in Egypt and was very highly placed in U.S. military
intelligence. That was all she could find out except for the fact that he
wanted to disavow all connection to her.

After telling her whole story, she told me that she is targeted and that her
stepfamily is still connected to the intelligence community (CIA). Susan
strongly believes the common theory that the CIA's roots began with the Nazi
SS. She said the reason she is being targeted is the lumber business. When
her stepfather died, she was to be left half of it and her stepbrother would
get the other half of what was valued at about fourteen million dollars.
Susan believes the intelligence community, working in concert with her
"black magic uncle," wanted to get rid of her so that the natural son would
inherit the entire business.

As we drove to her house after dinner, I began the electromagnetic
study. I first tuned in to an 1080-MHz signal that I had been studying for a
month. I noticed that when I got close to her car, the signal would appear.
When she
got well ahead of us, the signal would disappear. It was as if the
transmitter for that signal was in her car. I knew this was not the case,
because I'd been picking up this same signal all across the Northeast
and it couldn't possibly have been transmitted from her car. There was no
question
that the 1080-MHz signal was being directed at Susan.

As soon as we arrived at her house, I began the electromagnetic survey at
that location. I immediately found the 1080-MHz signal and also found the
435-MHz signal that routinely emanates from the vicinity of Montauk.* I also
found a strong ELF (extra-low-frequency) broadcast that was as low as my
equipment can pick up (about 50 to 400 kHz). I videotaped the entire display
of different signals.

The Montauk signal at 435 MHz was particularly interesting because whenever
I pick it up from Montauk, it is usually broken into pieces. If the pieces
were put together, it would make up a signal like the one I 

[CTRL] Fwd: [Fwd: The Phil Ex by Brad Steiger]]

[Das GOAT]

 Jacques Vallee certainly stepped on some toes with "Messengers of
Deception," and the persons/groups associated with those toes never tire of
smearing him ...

 "HawkEye" has even less credibility in my eyes than the nonsense he
promotes.
 I refuse to be suckered into replying to disinformation agents in
addition to con men  That path leads invariably to a perpetual quicksand,
opposing professional mindfuck artists, inexhaustible in output -- and very
well funded by "someone."
 My criticism of the "Philadelphia Experiment" and "Montauk" was matter
of fact;  I've referred readers to sources of information other than the
mirrors-reflecting-mirrors "sources" EXCLUSIVELY cited and defended by
promoters of "New Age" fictions.
 Personally, I don't CARE what anyone else chooses to believe on this
topic; I just offered my informed (?) opinion.  By contrast, the "hidden
agendas" being served --Cui bono?-- by those actively promoting BELIEF in
"New Age" fantasies (like "walk-ins," time-warp reincarnation, alien "secret
identities," and the like) are SERIOUS enough --to "someone"-- to make any
doubt or intelligent criticism a THREAT requiring relentless, vehement
counterattack.
 Someone raises a reasonable doubt.  Suddenly the Inquisition arrives.
Look at that picture and draw your own conclusions about who's the more
interested party -- and ask yourself also, WHY such an extreme degree of
interest?  (Cui bono?)

 This post exhibits some typical disinformation "sleight of hand" -- for
example:
"No mention was made in the printed article to the effect that St. Elmo's
Fire CAN who says? also result in INVISIBILITY -- something much more
significant from a defense or "covert operations" point of view than some
greenish glow, and which IF TRUE sic would indeed logically sic have a
direct relation to the Philadelphia Experiment technology itself." [Emphasis
and comments inserted in brackets mine.]

Like "If I had some baloney, I could have a baloney sandwich, if I had some
bread."



michiels wrote:
 
 Hi David,
 
 Would you please take a look at the assertions below. It was my understanding that
 a post about Jacques Vallée did appear (in the last 3 months I think) proving that
 his last book(s) were in fact desinformation and misinformation done by him as a
 CIA plant/agent.
 
 You have forwarded to me all your works on the Montauk project at al., and I find
 it only fair to advise you on its attack as being a hoax.


Hi--

Here's what's up with Vallee's "research" into the Philly Experiment and
related issues.


John Quinn/NewsHawk® Inc.

-- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
Excerpt from:
PHOENIX UNDEAD--The Montauk Project and Camp Hero Today

© 1998 John Quinn



THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT, VALLEE, "DUDGEON",
MARSHALL BARNES AND THE DEBUNKER DEBUNKED
Jacques Vallee, a fairly well-known and "credible" UFO researcher, who I
discovered several years ago has had substantial and verifiable links to
intelligence/military agencies in the U.S. going back 30 or more years
(in other words he was a high-level spook and disinfo agent who was
recruited from France, and worked with J. Allen Hynek and other
spook/scientists for Air Force Intelligence and similar groups;
initially at the Battelle Institute near Wright-Patterson AFB in Ohio),
published a report in 1994 which purported to totally debunk the
Philadelphia Experiment and show that it was a hoax.

The problem is, Vallee's own article itself was complete and utter
hogwash, utilizing as it's primary source one "Edward Dudgeon"; some
phony with absolutely no credibility who has been conclusively proved a
liar--and thus by extension Vallee has been so proved as well. The
person who busted these clowns is named Marshall Barnes, an independent
researcher who in addition has heavily and thoroughly investigated the
Phoenix Project from Philadelphia all the way through the Montauk
Project, and has found SOLID evidence to support many of the major
claims being made about Phoenix, as well as scientific data which prove
that many of the claims are quite feasible.

Vallee and Bernhard Haisch, Editor-in-Chief of the Journal of Scientific
Exploration which published Vallee's article and has refused to disclaim
or otherwise back off it, have become the target of an ongoing private
investigation focusing on them having promoted research fraud. Proof
which shows Jacques Vallee's article to be an outright fraud has been
made public by Barnes, leaving no room for doubt that the world famous
UFO researcher was an active participant in an official coverup effort.

Barnes shows irrefutably that there was on the part of the Navy and
other government agencies: 1.) a strong agenda to make a ship both radar
and sight invisible; 2.) knowledge of the physics by which this can be
done; and 3.) possession of the technology by which this physics could
be applied in the field.  

Apparently these facts are so disturbing to the "powers that be" that
they have in desperation engaged or 

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Phil Ex by Brad Steiger]]

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 More Art Bell-quality information, reposted from last year.
 Marshall Barnes -- coming soon to some "Whole Life Expo" near you, where
he will charge his audience --a crowd of fourteen or fewer fuzzy-headed New
Agers-- $50 each to hear his revolutionary "truths" that other scientists
somehow refuse to recognize.
 You'll find him in the small tent down the aisle from the gypsy palm
reader and the obese middle-aged David Ickean who trance-channels insectoid
gods from Hoova.


  from Robalini's The Konformist - 25 July 1998

From: J9 Aq9
Subj: MARSHALL BARNES PRESENTS THE PROOF FOR THE
  PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT

Rob--

Heard Barnes on Bell 1 1/2 years ago. First rate investigator
(Barnes not Bell). Totally independently of any of the Philly
Ex/Montauk Project principals -- he concluded that the science
behind what's been claimed re these projects is completely solid
and that indeed such activites as claimed have definitely taken
place, at the locations named.

I've already told my opinion of Vallee's debunking article
Anatomy Of a Hoax.  Vallee is a spook thru and thru -- I'd put
big money on it... if I had any.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subj: MARSHALL BARNES PRESENTS THE PROOF FOR THE
  PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT

 Fantastic Events is pleased to announce the first ever New
York City appearance of Special Civilian Investigator Marshall
Barnes - the only investigator to get evidence that PROVES that
the Philadelphia Experiment was possible and that there has been
a concerted effort to cover it up.

 This 3 hour lecture presentation will be packed with court
room quality evidence that includes video footage of documents,
interviews, photographs, taped phone conversations, and
experiments testing the statements of the mysterious Dr. Rinehart
from the William Moore book, "Philadelphia Experiment:Project
Invisibility," that result in solid, opaque objects appearing to
become invisible!  ALL of the evidence against Jacques Vallee's
fraudulent article, "Anatomy Of A Hoax," will be presented and
leave no one doubting that the famous UFO researcher was an
active participant in the cover-up effort.  (See
   http://ufomind.com/ufo/updates/1998/jun/m08-010.shtml)

 Names, dates, documents.  All of this material is new and
never presented by anyone else!  It is all part of an ongoing
investigation that threatens the actual individuals who have
personally taken part in it!

 True believers will be elated.  Skeptics will be stunned.
Marshall only presents documentation for his case and NO
ANECDOTAL STORIES.  NO UNBRIDALED SPECULATION.  He will field
all questions from *anyone* who asks.  You have never seen the
case for the Philadelphia Experiment until you've heard from the
only man who has gone directly after the Office of Naval Research
and may have triggered the massive destruction of naval documents
from around the time frame of when this legendary event was
planned, executed and spin-off research continued  (see:
http://capitolhillblue.com/Nov1997/navyrecordsnov20.htm

 He will present the documentation that creates the timetable
that suggests this is what happened.

 This will be a hard hitting, no-nonsense, by the numbers
lecture that takes you all the way back to WWII and walks you
through the only questions that matter:

 1)Did the Navy want an invisible ship?

 2)Could they have figuered out a way to make one?

 3)Is there a physics that would accomplish such a goal?

 4)Did the technology exist to apply the physics?

 and toward the single answer that is so threatening, that
two well known scientists engaged in a desperate act of fraud,
disinformation and cover-up, risking their names, reputations and
those of the organization to which they belong, benefitting only
those in the intelligence and military community where they have
contacts, because the answer to all four questions is YES!

 "Marshall Barnes, on a quest, believes the Philadelphia
Experiment occurred, and I like his line of research." - Art
Bell, talk radio host

 "Marshall Barnes has done some very important research.  I
think that he is very close to understanding what happened that
day." - Jean Claude Ba, Ph.D, physicist

 "His experiment proved that it is possible to create the
illusion of invisibility." - Patricia Bowskill, Fate magazine

 "Marshall Barnes ... is a dynamic, forceful speaker." - Ken
Harsch, Universal Light Expo

 "I have two interviews from the Art Bell show.  One is
with Marshall Barnes ... superb." - Dan Woolman, In Search of
web site

 Don't Miss This Event!

 Wed. August 5th, 7-10pm at the "Source of Life" Center,
Room A, 22 West 34th St., New York, N.Y. - next to the Empire
State Building.
 Admission is $12, $10 with student ID or UFO organization
membership card, $8 with VFW or other U.S. veteran ID.

 For security reasons, due to Marshall receiving a threat
against him, 

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Phil Ex by Brad Steiger]]

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In a message dated 99-12-09 06:12:15 EST, Das GOAT writes:

 "HawkEye" has even less credibility in my eyes than the nonsense he
promotes.
 I refuse to be suckered into replying to disinformation agents in
addition to con men  That path leads invariably to a perpetual quicksand,
opposing professional mindfuck artists, inexhaustible in output -- and very
well funded by "someone."   

On re-reading what I've written, I offer my apologies to "HawkEye."
Although, as stated, I give him no credibility --in return, I invite him to
give ME no credibility, as is his right-- I did not mean to suggest that he,
personally, was WITTINGLY a disformation agent -- only that some of his
SOURCES certainly appear to be, IMHO.   I've asked Vallee (with whom I'm in
touch) to respond to certain smears on him in the past but he's demurred,
saying only that it's a waste of time.  I understand that completely.  It
just isn't worth the time for scientific minds to argue at great length
against the existence of the unreal, or to defend the facts against those
whose judgment is faulty, or purposefullly skewed.

If I were to go back to the primary sources that get endlessly rehashed by
the various promoters of the Philadelphia Experiment and Montauk thing, in
order to refute them, I'd have to spend months on the task -- and I'd end up
summarizing all that research in a book no one would read anyway, because
nothing is more unpopular than the truth, and publishers, with their eye on
sensationalism, will publish Von Daniken and Sitchin but not exposes of Von
Daniken and Sitchin.  There's a tabloid-reading sucker born every minute, but
there's no profit to be made in writing books telling them they're suckers.

"NewsHawk" is welcome to post whatever he believes, whether *I* pooh-pooh it
or not.
Das GOAT (without the benefit of "Inc") will give his usual opinions, a bit
sharp-tongued if in a bad mood (and nonsense such as Sitchin's and Bielek's
put me in a bad mood) -- but what REALLY ticks me off is a flame war and
side-taking developing from a major difference in opinion and/or belief,
stated bluntly as, alas, I've done here.  To head off any such waste of
everyone's time, I herewith apologize to NewsHawk personally for how I
categorize his sources and the credibility thereof.  Let readers judge as
they may. Mine is just one point of view.  "NewsHawk" has just as much right
to his OWN point of view.  Having stated my opinion, I do not intend to
engage in any lengthy arguments.

If "NewsHawk" replies that MY credibility in HIS eyes is likewise diminished
by whatever beliefs *I* promote, he's entitled to that opinion.  Let our
SOURCES of INFORMATION
be the topic of discussion, if merited, rather than the personalities holding
the opposing
positions based on them.  MY error, mea culpa, for incivility, too much "ad
hominem,"
in response to Vallee being labelled a "CIA agent."  Vallee has ENEMIES in
the CIA.
If anyone called ME a "CIA agent," I'd safely assume they were out to SILENCE
me, using one of the classic strategies of disinformation agents working for
-- guess who?

Cui bono: Who profits by disputing Vallee's conclusion in "Messengers of
Deception"?

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[CTRL] [Fwd: SEATTLE: NONLETHAL NERVE GAS MAY HAVE BEEN USED]

[Nurev Ind Research]

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 Original Message 
Subject: SEATTLE: NONLETHAL NERVE GAS MAY HAVE BEEN USED
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 23:45:15 -0600 (CST)
From: Mark Graffis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: ?
To: undisclosed-recipients:;

From:  "Stefanie Gude" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:   san: Pike Place Market Gassing - Health Warning
Date:  Mon, 06 Dec 1999 11:07:08 PST

A NONLETHAL NERVE GAS MAY HAVE BEEN USED
on Wednesday, December 1st
@ Broadway Street and Pike Place Market

Dr. Kirk Murphy of the DAN Medic Team has issued this warning, in the hopes
of compiling documentation of chemical warfare. He urges anyone who
participated in the aforementioned demo who exhibits/ed the following
symptoms to contact him ASAP:

- abrupt onset of menstruation
- vomiting/diarrhea
- temporary impairment of vision
- confusion
- brief unconsciousness
- convulsions
- delayed burning

Dr. Kirk Murphy - 206-396-3983

Please pass this message on to anyone who attended the march on the
afternoon of December 1st.

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[CTRL] Secret WTO talks?

[Nurev Ind Research]

 -Caveat Lector-

Seceret WTO Talks over weekend?
by La Resiatance 2:12pm Tue Dec 7 '99
from http://www.indymedia.org

Possibility of unsanctioned WTO secret meeting continue over weekend at
the University of Washington.

Over the weekend a large amount of Seceret Service and State Department
agents were seen around the University of Washington. Also seen riding
around the UW campus in goverment issued vans were WTO delegates coming
and going throught the weekend. An anonymous source revealed and confirmed
that trade negotioations continued behind closed doors in seceret on the
University of Washington Campus. All of this activity occured after the
official conclusion of the WTO Ministerial Conference.

While their is nothing wrong with having a meeting or renting a building
on campus. Should not the WTO delegates who make decisions that effect the
world be held accountable for thier decisions? This tactic is just another
thread in the web of deception and lies that the WTO uses to conceal their
real agenda and decision making process. What were the conclusions
reached? What were topics discussed? As it stands the WTO makes decisions
behind closed doors, but what can we assume from unofficial secret talks
unsanctioned and unpublisized?

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[CTRL] $Capitalism at work.$

[Nurev Ind Research]

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 Original Message 
Subject: USA/Urgent: Brazil agrobiz  ranchers in secret forest destruction deal
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 23:20:37 -0600 (CST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: ?
To: undisclosed-recipients:;

From: Kenneth Walsh@EDF on 12/07/99 05:33 PM

Subject:  Urgent Action: Brazil agrobusiness  ranchers in secret forest
  destruction deal

Urgent Action:

Brazil agrobusiness and ranchers in secret forest
destruction deal

Vote to legalize massive new forest destruction could come
tomorrow

-Please fax or email Secretary of the Treasury Larry
Summers with a copy to Brazil President Fernando Henrique
Cardoso

Are Your Tax Dollars Bankrolling Disaster?

December 7, 1999

Brazil's large landowners and ranchers last week cut a
secret deal to roll back environmental regulations and
allow greatly increased forest destruction. Only quick
action from Brazilian environmental organizations and
Senator Marina Silva held off the concerted attack on
forest protection. The proposed changes to Brazil's
Forestry Code would open up tens of millions of acres of
rainforest to destruction. Help stop this disastrous deal
for good! Only last year, the US spearheaded a $41 billion
financial bailout from the International Monetary Fund
(IMF), World Bank, Inter American Development Bank and the
US Treasury to keep Brazil's currency strong. Should US
taxpayer dollars bail out a government whose President
condones backroom deals to undo environmental legislation
that he himself signed so that latifundistas can ravage the
forest at will?  Fax or email Secretary of the Treasury and
ask that he relay your concerns to the government of
Brazil.

At the end of 1997 and beginning of 1998, thousands of
concerned citizens around the world gave their support to
Brazilian environmentalists and parliamentary leaders such
as Marina Silva to encourage the Brazilian government to
pass the legislation needed to give Brazil's environmental
agency, IBAMA, the authority to assess fines, shut down
environmental law-breakers --- in short, to enforce
Brazil's environmental law.  Specific regulations (e.g.,
the amounts of fines) were only issued earlier this year.
IBAMA issued a string of record fines for illegal
deforestation and burning, seized illegal timber and
logging equipment.

Faced for the first time with effective environmental
regulation, Brazil's powerful rural elite resorted to back-
room politics to try and gut the law and get back to
business as usual. The proposal designed in secret by the
ranchers' lobby and the government, was sent to the Senate
for a vote November 23rd, and would, among other abuses,
have:
* amnestied illegal deforestation
* increased the areas of Amazon forest and tropical
savanna available for deforestation by 30%
* severely limited environmental agency authority over
large parts of private land

Environmentalists blocked the vote, and are pushing for
withdrawal of the bill and a broad public discussion of
changes in the Forestry Code.

Please fax:

Secretary of the Treasury
Larry Summers
Fax  202- 622 0073

cc
Presidente da Republica
Fernando Henrique Cardoso
fax - 011 55 61 411 1456 or 011 55 61 224 0289
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sample:

Secretary of the Treasury
Lawrence Summers
Department of the Treasury

Dear Mr. Summers:
Our government has committed substantial
taxpayer funds to the $41 billion International
Monetary Fund package to support Brazil's
economy.  Having taken this step, we should
expect that Brazil's government not renege on
its repeated commitments to forest protection,
in the context of the publicly funded G7 Pilot
Program for Protection of Brazilian Tropical
Forest as well as other international forums.
The Brazilian government recently agreed to
gravely weaken its forest protection laws in a
proposed reform of the Forestry Code, in a
secret negotiation with large ranchers. Please
inform your counterparts in the Brazilian
government that the American people favors
openness and transparency in decisions that
affect the public interest and supports forest
protection, as do most Brazilians. Please urge
your counterparts to withdraw proposed changes
to the Forestry Code until an informed public
discussion of the issues can be held.
Thank you for your attention to this.
  Sincerely

++
Chicago Tribune Article
BRAZIL RAINFORESTS FACE
NEW THREAT
PROPOSED LAW WOULD LET
LANDOWNERS SKIRT CUTTING
RESTRICTIONS

By Laurie Goering
Tribune Foreign Correspondent
December 7, 1999

RIO DE JANEIRO -- A bill that would allow
landowners to cut the Amazon rainforest and
replant the land with eucalyptus while
continuing to count it as forest "reserve" is
expected to come to a vote this week in
Brasilia, environmentalists said Monday.

The measure, if passed, would represent the
strongest effort yet to undercut Brazil's tough
new environmental crimes law, which went into
effect in September.

That law, passed in February 

[CTRL] Global Inequality. Capitalism at work.

[Nurev Ind Research]

 -Caveat Lector-

from: Joshua2
Some facts to ponder for pro-Free Traders.

World Trade Oragnisation: special report

Sunday November 28, 1999

In a major speech to the World Trade Organisation meeting in Seattle
tomorrow, International Development Minister Clare Short will tell a
largely hostile audience that the world's richest 225 individuals have a
combined wealth equal to the annual income of the poorest 47 per cent of
the world's population (which passed the six-billion mark earlier this
year). She will argue that only with fairer international trading can the
world tackle such inequities as:
1. The 48 least developed countries accounting for just 0.4 per cent of
world trade.

2. Only $5 trillion of the world's total economic wealth of $23 trillion
being accounted for by developing countries with 80 per cent of the global
population.

3. Worldwide, 1.3 billion people living on just 60p a day.

4. The highest incomes being in Singapore, Switzerland and the US with the
lowest being in Ethiopia, Mozambique and Sierra Leone.

5. According to the UN, if the world's richest 200 people were to give up 1
per cent of their wealth each year, they could pay for every child on Earth
to have free access to primary education.

6. The top fifth of the world's population owning 86 per cent of global
wealth, controlling 82 per cent of the world market, 68 per cent of foreign
investment and 74 per cent of phone lines while the bottom fifth score just
1 per cent in each of these categories.

7. Nearly 75 per cent of the world's telephone lines being in the West
though it has only 17 per cent of the global population.

8. On the Internet, 80 per cent of websites being written in English,
understood at best by just 10 per cent of the global population.

9. The cost of a computer in the US being an average one month's pay. In
Bangladesh it is the equivalent of eight years' salary.

10. Each of the tiles in Bill Gates' kitchen costing £450, double the
average annual income in Africa's poorest countries.

Compiled by Dorota Nosowicz

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Re: [CTRL] People in America early

[Anon Ymous]

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 Even borderline researchers such as
  Barry Fell, for all their good intentions, often wind up using arguments
  which originated with white racists.

Could you please give more info on this?

tanx

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[CTRL] Why Jesse's death got no play - 12-9-99

[Taylor, John (JH)]

 -Caveat Lector-

WHY THIS DEATH DIDN'T COUNT
By Jeff Jacoby
The Boston Globe

December 9, 1999


   A 13-year-old named Jesse Dirkhising was killed on Sept. 26 in Rogers,
Ark. Why didn't you know that?

   The police affidavit describing the circumstances of Jesse's death is
stomach-turning. Rather than sicken you, let me quote instead from the
much less graphic story that moved on the national wire of the Associated
Press.

   "According to police, Davis Carpenter Jr., 38, and Joshua Brown, 22,
drugged and blindfolded Jesse Dirkhising, gagged him with underwear, and
strapped him to a mattress face-down with duct tape and belts. Then the
boy was repeatedly raped and sodomized with various objects before he
suffocated because of the position he was in, investigators said.

   "At the apartment, police found handwritten instructions and a diagram
of how to position the boy. Other notes described apparently unfulfilled
fantasies of molesting other children

   "On the night of Jesse's death, Brown repeatedly raped the boy while
Carpenter watched, police said. Brown took a break to eat a sandwich, and
soon noticed the boy had stopped breathing."

   The AP dispatch leaves out a lot of horrifying details, but that isn't
the most noteworthy thing about it. The date is. The story didn't move
until Oct. 29 -- 33 days after Jesse was killed. AP's deputy managing editor
later admitted that the story was assigned only after the Washington Times
reported the grim facts in an Oct. 22 story headlined, "Media tune out
torture
death of Arkansas boy: Homosexuals charged with rape, murder."

   Jesse was killed a few days before the first anniversary of Matthew
Shepard's brutal murder. The contrast in the coverage of the two cases is
overpowering. The first AP report on the atrocity in Laramie -- "Openly
gay student critically injured in Wyoming attack" -- moved just hours after
Shepard was discovered, badly beaten but alive. The story was front-page
news around the country, and was followed for weeks by every television
network and news magazine in America.

   The death of Jesse Dirkhising, on the other hand, received almost no
notice in the national press. The belated Washington Times and AP reports
didn't trigger a rush of catch-up stories. Only one television network,
Fox, took note of the crime -- in a single story on Nov. 23. And that was
it.
For all intents and purposes, what happened to the seventh-grader went down
the memory hole. Why?

   Some critics suggest there is a media double standard: Violent crimes
committed against gays get big headlines; violent crimes committed by
gays even against children -- get a shrug. "Had Jesse Dirkhising been shot
inside his Arkansas school," writes Brent Bozell of the Media Research
Center,
"he would have been an immediate national news story. Had he been openly
gay
and his attackers heterosexual, the crime would have led all the networks.
But no liberal media outlet would dare be the first to tell a grisly murder

story which has as its villains two gay men."

   Possibly. But there is an even more insidious explanation -- one
articulated not by media critics but by media insiders themselves.

   Provoked by Bozell's challenge and by messages from readers wanting to
know why the Dirkhising murder was being ignored, writers at The
Washington
Post and the Time magazine web site offered a defense.

   "While Shepard's murderers were driven to kill by hate, the boy's rape
and death was a sex crime," argued Jonathan Gregg, the senior editor at
Time.com. Shepard's killers "were not satisfying some animalistic sexual
impulse, they were bullies who gratuitously killed someone out of hate
for being different than they were."

   The Post's ombudsman, E.R. Shipp, made the same claim. She
acknowledged that her paper had run some 80 items referring to Shepard, but
only a
single news brief mentioning Dirkhising. "Here at the Post, however, the two
are
seen as quite different," Shipp wrote. A hate crime homicide such as
Shepard's ... is 'a special kind of killing,' the Post has
editorialized
Arkansas authorities have not characterized the Dirkhising death as a
hate crime."

   Could anything make clearer the perniciousness of treating some kinds
of violence as "hate crimes?" Here lies Matthew Shepard, beaten to death by

a pair of savages. Here lies Jesse Dirkhising, tortured to death by a
different pair of savages. Each was an innocent. Each died in agony. Each
left
behind grieving family and friends. Each was the victim of a crime so
vicious as
to shock the conscience. But because Shepard's savages detested homosexuals,
his death matters. Because Dirkhising's savages were driven by lust, his
death is a nullity.

   Hate crime laws are immoral and unjust, for they are premised on the
notion that the lives and well-being of some people are worth more than
the lives and well-being of others. Journalism that adopts the hate crime
premise is no less offensive.

   It is no answer 

[CTRL] A Test of the Power-Elite Hypothesis

[Taylor, John (JH)]

 -Caveat Lector-

 http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/CA/journal/issues/v40n5/995002/995002.tex
 t.html

CURRENT ANTHROPOLOGY Volume 40, Number 5, December 1999
© 1999 by The Wenner-Gren Foundation for Anthropological Research. All
rights reserved 0011-3204/99/4005-0002$3.50
  _

Socioeconomic Growth, Culture Scale, and Household Well-Being
A Test of the Power-Elite Hypothesis1

by John H. Bodley

Socioeconomic growth is an elite-directed process that concentrates
social power in direct proportion to increases in culture scale. Power
elites have controlled social power to their own advantage in at least
three different ways: domestically, by means of kinship, politically,
by means of rulers, and commercially, by means of the market. Each
method produces its own growth trajectory and scale of culture and a
distinctive distribution of elite power and household living
standards. Ethnographic data on urban property ownership in 27
municipalities in the Palouse region of eastern Washington suggest
that when power is commercially organized and villages become towns
and cities, there is a dramatic increase not only in the number of
prosperous households but even more in the number of poor and
maintenance-level households. Elite property owners, who most benefit
from growth, assume a larger role in municipal government, where they
can encourage further growth through municipal annexations and zoning
changes. Thus, as elite power becomes increasingly concentrated, the
growth process itself tends to become self-perpetuating. In the
Palouse example, small, no-growth municipalities appear to be
politically more democratic than larger-scale, growing municipalities
and household well-being in them more equitably distributed.

JOHN H. BODLEY is Professor of Anthropology at Washington State
University (Pullman, Wash. 99164-4910, U.S.A. [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]). Born
in 1942, he was educated at the University of Oregon (B.A., 1965;
M.A., 1967; Ph.D., 1970) and has been a visiting researcher at the
International Work Group for Indigenous Affairs and done fieldwork in
cultural ecology in eastern Peru. His publications include Victims of
Progress (Palo Alto: Mayfield, 1999 [1975]), Anthropology and
Contemporary Human Problems (Palo Alto: Mayfield, 1996 [1976]), and "A
Cultural Scale Perspective on Human Ecology and Development" (Advances
in Human Ecology 3).

 1 This project was supported in 1996 - 97 and 1998 - 99 by grants
from the Edward R. Meyer Fund at Washington State University. Data
specialists Kevin Norris in Spokane County and James Martin and Jim
Hawkes in Whitman County provided data bases and supporting
information. At Washington State University I was assisted with the
SAS language and mainframe computer aspects of this project by Darrell
Davenport, William G. Hendrix, Timothy A. Kohler, Gilbert A. Pierson,
and Zoltan Porga. Other colleagues and students at Washington State
University who provided additional material and helpful comment
included William Andrefsky Jr., Tom Bartuska, William H. Funk,
Christopher A. Harris, Barry S. Hewlett, Barry C. Hicks, Gary
Huckleberry, Chuck Huffine, William D. Lipe, Samuel H. Smith, and
William Willard. My wife, Kathleen M. Bodley, read and offered
valuable criticism on several drafts. During two summer field schools
in 1992 and 1997 my students in the Department of Anthropology at
Washington State University explored many of these issues and were a
continual source of inspiration.

The present paper was submitted 7 I 99 and accepted 26 II 99; the
final version reached the Editor's office 22 IV 99.
  _

 This paper examines how elites use socioeconomic growth to shift
the distribution of social power and household well-being in their
favor. The hypothesis to be tested is that growth is an elite-directed
process that concentrates social power in direct proportion to
increases in scale. The assumption is that larger-scale cultural
systems will have more concentrated social power. Combining C. Wright
Mills's (1956) original insights on American society with current
anthropological theory, this hypothesis suggests that elite
power-seeking is a prime mover at all levels of cultural development
and that certain growth processes disproportionately impoverish and
disempower some households. After reviewing existing theoretical
arguments and empirical evidence for this hypothesis, I extend the
debate by proposing that elite-directed cultural evolution has
produced distinct domestic-, political-, and commercial-scale
cultures. I then show that cultural systems can be 

[CTRL] POLL: Crimes of the Century

[BARD]

http://www.apbnews.com/crimesofthecentury/timeline.html

The only problem with this Poll is they left out the
pre-meditated murder of thousands by the Marxist
tyrant FDR on December 7, 1941,

and the murder of the Branch Davidians by the rapist.

They did include OKC.

Bard
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[CTRL] An All-Too-Brief History of the Internet? (fwd)

[Yardbird]

 -Caveat Lector-

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 01:07:28 -0500
From: Eric Eldred [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: An All-Too-Brief History of the Internet?

I am reading an interesting online book:

 A Brief History Of The Internet by Michael Hart and Max Fuller,
(c) 1995

at (sorry for the URL--you'll have to unwrap it):
http://www.netlibrary.com/api-bin/viewbook.dll?clientID=229156EV=83057infobase=1085022.nfosoftpage=All_Frame_Pg

I wonder if Michael Hart and Max Fuller gave
permission to NetLibrary to publish the book
online at their site?

I found it a bit ironic that the work
includes this quote:

 "as long as the Information Superhighway is not taken over
 by the INFORMATION RICH and denied access to others other
 than for a fee they may not be able to pay, and shouldn't
 have to pay."

when the New York Times today says (free subscription
required):

at
http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/99/12/biztech/articles/09book.html



NetLibrary, [the publishers of the work cited above]
for instance, has outposts in China, India
and the Philippines where workers are converting books
to electronic copies by typing the text into
computers. Scanning the material directly into a
computer posed too much potential for errors,
according to the company. And so now the digital
versions are copied in other parts of the world and
then edited and refined by "book builders" at
netLibrary's rapidly expanding headquarters in
Boulder, Colo., where two shifts of employees work,
from 7 a.m. to midnight. The company is converting
about 50 books a day, but by December, the rate will
rise to 200, said David Melancon, the company's
marketing director.

A start-up, with $105 million in new financing,
netLibrary is aggressively pursuing major libraries to
buy electronic collections so that library users will
have 24-hour access to titles, with full-text
searches. Since August, it has sold more than $1.5
million in electronic books to libraries like the one
at the University of Texas, which bought 1,000 copies
and acquired 5,000 more titles through consortium
purchases. At this point, netLibrary's digital
collection is dominated by reference and scholarly
titles from academic presses, but the company intends
to offer popular trade book titles that could also be
offered to individual users by subscription.

"Everybody realizes how quickly the business is going
to change," Melancon said.  "And once it starts,
having first-mover advantage is huge. The key to
grabbing the market is having the most content."



And this from the article:

But because of security and piracy concerns, Simon 
Schuster is still reluctant to allow Microsoft access
to its titles for use with new digital display software
that will be available next year for reading, searching
and annotating books on a computer.



So now we know how they are going to get content
to establish a market?

There is nothing in the article about the 10,000
books in English available free online.  I go to
the Columbia U. web site that is supposed to contain
online books about foreign policy, and I find I
can't enter without paying for a password, and I
can't even read the books there that are published
by the federal government without copyright.  What
happened to the idea of a university as a beacon
of light, of truth to the world, of a library where
anyone is free to enter and read anything she wants?

Isn't the web moving to online books as pay-per-view?
Should we cooperate with this?  What will happen
to the fair use rights of users when all books
will be available only by subscription, and
covered by a license that gives the consumer no
rights at all?  Should the U.S. have changed
copyright law to allow books printed in China or
the Phillipines to be copyrightable--the sweatshops
there will be typing in the books, instead of
workers in the U.S.?  The media giants have taken
the next 20 years of the public domain--what is
next?

Maybe we should take our books off until Microsoft,
Bertelsmann, and the other media giants who say they
invented the etext decide it's not a market
they can dominate, and quit appropriating our books
to make money for themselves?

[Moderator note: The Project Gutenberg version of "A Brief History of
 the Internet" does give a general license for other folks to distribute
 it under certain conditions.  At
 ftp://uiarchive.cso.uiuc.edu/pub/etext/gutenberg/etext95/bhoti01.txt
 you can see the license details in the "small print" section, and also
 read the rest of Michael Hart's book without needing frames. - JMO]

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[CTRL] FW: Message from a Seattle cop

[Fransy]

 -Caveat Lector-

-Original Message-
From:   NewsHawk Inc. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Thursday, December 09, 1999 6:17 AM
Subject:Fwd: Message from a Seattle cop
Importance: High

12.9.99
Fwd: Message from a Seattle cop


This was received from Deuce.

NewsHawk(r) Inc.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- --

This message came to me yesterdayfrom the original author, I might add.
At least SOME cops have a clue.
* Deuce
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http://skywatch.iwarp.com



As a Police Officer
from:   K. John
12/8/1999 12:59 pm EST

I have been a police officer for nearly eight years and used to live in the
Seattle area. I thought the city was one of human rights and dignity to all
men and women, regardless of color, creed and sexual preference. I now see
the real city politics at work. "Screw the common man, let's talk money and
popularity of our city as it becomes a hub for world trade!"
My duty as a law enforcement officer is to keep the peace, bring criminals
to justice, and ensure the protection of each citizens constitutional rights
against any person or entity which stands to violate their rights.
I must preface this next statement by admitting I am a staunch conservative.
However, this slightly less than lethal combat used against American
Citizens is an absolute atrocity of justice. I am truly appalled at the city
of Seattle and the Federal Government for allowing this to happen. What have
we become. I believe the framers of our constitution would be horrified if
they were alive today. God help us all...
"Hitler would be proud"

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[CTRL] FW: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Phil Ex by Brad Steiger]]

[Fransy]

 -Caveat Lector-

John,
Maybe you should read this one first!
Sorry to have said Vallée was a CIA agent, but from here and what I read
since months now,
the CIA has its paws, fingers and nails everywhere at all times anyway, so
it might not be indirectly too far off!
Let it be known also that I don't care to fan an argument, but try to find
the truth.
Light on Views on such important subjects because so involved with our
direct future ought to be made, IMHO.
I live 50 miles from France, in French speaking Belgium and know first hand
what kind of politics and regime is there now, and what they're heading for:
IMO, not far from an in between communist/fascist state which of course is
one and the same for the daily lives of its citizenry, (Tony Blair is doing
the same, mind you! just ways and means are different)
I'd say since the US has been kicked out by The General and since then
France is NOT part of NATO, it implies a lot of duplicate research done in
the US since WWII.(i.e. the CERN in Geneva has built the first particules
accelerator with a majority of French scientists and fundings) And
considering the French influence in the making of the EU it is absolutely
certain that the CIA has many spearheads in that country and is VERY active
indeed. And surely through NGO (see Kosovo)
Cui bono, indeed:  who is really profiting from the debunking of these
projects?
I'd say, very subtly, the ones that are in control, and using for European
(crowds) control, the post accelerator technological developments in Geneva.
Is HAARP so far off from Montauk?

Frans

-Original Message-
From:   Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Das GOAT
Sent:   Thursday, December 09, 1999 2:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Phil Ex by Brad Steiger]]

* Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 99-12-09 06:12:15 EST, Das GOAT writes:
 "HawkEye" has even less credibility in my eyes than the nonsense he
promotes.
I refuse to be suckered into replying to disinformation agents in
addition to con men  That path leads invariably to a perpetual quicksand,
opposing professional mindfuck artists, inexhaustible in output-and very
well funded by "someone."   
On re-reading what I've written, I offer my apologies to "HawkEye."
Although, as stated, I give him no credibility-in return, I invite him to
give ME no credibility, as is his right-I did not mean to suggest that he,
personally, was WITTINGLY a disformation agent-only that some of his SOURCES
certainly appear to be, IMHO.   I've asked Vallee (with whom I'm in touch)
to respond to certain smears on him in the past but he's demurred, saying
only that it's a waste of time.  I understand that completely.  It just
isn't worth the time for scientific minds to argue at great length against
the existence of the unreal, or to defend the facts against those whose
judgment is faulty, or purposefullly skewed.
If I were to go back to the primary sources that get endlessly rehashed by
the various promoters of the Philadelphia Experiment and Montauk thing, in
order to refute them, I'd have to spend months on the task-and I'd end up
summarizing all that research in a book no one would read anyway, because
nothing is more unpopular than the truth, and publishers, with their eye on
sensationalism, will publish Von Daniken and Sitchin but not exposes of Von
Daniken and Sitchin.  There's a tabloid-reading sucker born every minute,
but there's no profit to be made in writing books telling them they're
suckers.
"NewsHawk" is welcome to post whatever he believes, whether *I* pooh-pooh it
or not.
Das GOAT (without the benefit of "Inc") will give his usual opinions, a bit
sharp-tongued if in a bad mood (and nonsense such as Sitchin's and Bielek's
put me in a bad mood) -- but what REALLY ticks me off is a flame war and
side-taking developing from a major difference in opinion and/or belief,
stated bluntly as, alas, I've done here.  To head off any such waste of
everyone's time, I herewith apologize to NewsHawk personally for how I
categorize his sources and the credibility thereof.  Let readers judge as
they may. Mine is just one point of view.  "NewsHawk" has just as much right
to his OWN point of view.  Having stated my opinion, I do not intend to
engage in any lengthy arguments.
If "NewsHawk" replies that MY credibility in HIS eyes is likewise diminished
by whatever beliefs *I* promote, he's entitled to that opinion.  Let our
SOURCES of INFORMATION be the topic of discussion, if merited, rather than
the personalities holding the opposing positions based on them.  MY error,
mea culpa, for incivility, too much "ad hominem," in response to Vallee
being labelled a "CIA agent."  Vallee has ENEMIES in the CIA.
If anyone called ME a "CIA agent," I'd safely assume they were out to
SILENCE me, using one of the classic strategies of disinformation agents
working for -- guess who?
Cui bono: Who profits by disputing Vallee's conclusion in "Messengers of

[CTRL] will 1st yenta bite pollard jew bait?

[BARD]

 -Caveat Lector-

Jewish advisors urge Hillary to
support Pollard release

 SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM

  Wednesday, December 8, 1999

  WASHINGTON -- First Lady Hillary Clinton, her campaign for
the U.S.
  Senate flagging, is being urged to bolster her support
among New York's large
  constitutency by announcing her support for the release of
Jonathan Pollard.

  Pollard, convicted of passing military secrets to Israel,
has been sentenced to
  life in prison.

  Sources inside Mrs. Clinton's campaign said she has been
urged by some of her
  Jewish advisers to consider breaking away from her
husband's policy and
  announcing her support for Pollard's release. The former
U.S. Navy analyst has
  served 14 years of his sentence.

  The sources said Mrs. Clinton sustained a heavy drop in
support after she
  attended a ceremony in Ramallah in which the wife of
Palestinian Authority
  Chairman Yasser Arafat accused Israel of poisoning
Palestinian air and water.
  Mrs. Clinton, who listened to a translation of the speech,
hugged Suha Arafat
  after her speech.

  Organizers for Pollard's release have launched a campaign
to rally support
  among U.S. elected officials. "We are not going away," New
York State
  Assemblyman Dov Hikind said. "This is only the beginning
of the campaign. We
  want to know from Hillary where she stands on this
important issue."

  Wednesday, December 8, 1999
http://www.worldtribune.com/index-two-text.html

Bard

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[CTRL] AP: Conspiracy Found in King Killing

[lloyd]

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Subject: AP: Conspiracy Found in King Killing
Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:35 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/19991208/aponline182559_000.htm

Conspiracy Found in King Killing

By Woody Baird
Associated Press Writer
Wednesday, Dec. 8, 1999; 6:25 p.m. EST

MEMPHIS, Tenn. -- A jury hearing a lawsuit filed
by the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s family found
Wednesday that the civil rights leader was the
victim of a vast murder conspiracy, not a lone
assassin.

The King family had sued Loyd Jowers, a retired
businessman who claimed six years ago that he paid
someone other than James Earl Ray to kill King in
Memphis in 1968. The family's lawyer claimed that the
FBI, CIA, the Mafia and the military were involved.

The family wanted the jury to find evidence of a
conspiracy and lend support to their call for a new
investigation into the killing. Prosecutors have long
said that they are convinced Ray fired the fatal shot
and that they could find no evidence anyone else was
involved.

The Kings asked for only a token amount in their
wrongful-death lawsuit. After three hours of
deliberations, the jury of six blacks and six whites
awarded the family $100 in damages.

"I'm just so happy to see that the people have
spoken," King's son Dexter said. "This is what
we've always asked for."

Ray confessed to shooting King and was sentenced to
99 years in prison. He spent the rest of his life
claiming to be innocent and trying to get a trial.
He died of liver disease last year.

Ray's guilty plea was upheld eight times by state
and federal courts. A congressional committee
concluded in 1978 that Ray was the killer but that
he may have had help before or after the assassination.
The committee did not find any government involvement.

William Pepper, the Kings' lawyer, told the jury
that Jowers, 73, was part of a conspiracy involving
the Mafia and federal agents to kill King because
of his opposition to the Vietnam War and plans for
a huge march on Washington.

In his closing argument, Pepper said the order to
kill King came from the head of organized crime in
New Orleans to a Memphis produce dealer who got
Jowers to handle the payoff and murder weapon. An
Army sniper squad was in place to shoot King if
the Mafia hit failed, Pepper claimed.

Later, the FBI, CIA, the media, Army intelligence
and state and city officials helped cover up the
assassination, said Pepper, who also represented
Ray in his efforts to get a trial. Pepper told
the jurors they could rewrite history.

Juror David Morphy said he believed the assassination
was too complex to be carried out by one person.

"We all thought it was kind of a cut-and-dried case,
with the evidence that Pepper brought forth that
there were a lot of people involved, everyone from
the CIA, military involvement in it -- Jowers was
involved in it, we felt," he said.

Lewis Garrison, Jowers' lawyer, told the jury that
while they could reasonably conclude King was the
victim of a conspiracy, his client's role was minor
at best.

In 1993, Jowers said on ABC-TV that he hired King's
killer as a favor to an underworld figure who was a
friend. He did not identify the purported killer,
but said it wasn't Ray.

Jowers, who has never repeated the claim but has
not recanted it either, was sick for much of the
trial and did not testify.

At the time of the killing, Jowers owned a small
restaurant, Jim's Grill, across the street from
The Lorraine Motel, where King was killed. On the
day of the assassination, Ray, a prison escapee
from Missouri, used an assumed name to rent a
room in a rooming house above Jim's Grill.

Garrison told the jury it was hard to believe that
"the owner of a greasy spoon and an escaped convict"
could have pulled off King's assassination.

King's widow, Coretta Scott King, testified that
her family believes Ray did not act alone.

"If we know the truth, we can be free and go on
with our lives," she said on the trial's opening day.

Shelby County prosecutor John Campbell, who has
investigated the assassination but was not involved
in the Jowers trial, said Jowers' claims have no merit.
Campbell said several of Jowers' friends and associates
said he was merely hoping to get a movie or book deal.

"We looked at this off and on for five years ... and
I've still seen nothing that would change my opinion,"
Campbell said.

Last year, Attorney General Janet Reno ordered a
limited probe by the Justice Department into two
allegations of a conspiracy in the King murder.
One was Jowers' claim; the other was a statement
by former FBI agent Donald Wilson that he found
papers in Ray's car that might support a conspiracy.

"Our review is still ongoing," Justice Department
spokeswoman Carol Florman said. 

[CTRL] George W. Bush IQ

[Taylor, John (JH)]

 -Caveat Lector-

Is George W. Bush a Moron?
by Steve Sailer
Thursday, November 18, 1999
Comments: 445 posts


 The New Yorker's recent revelation that presidential frontrunner Texas Gov.
George W. Bush scored a mere 1206 on his Scholastic Aptitude Test(SAT) has
incited journalists to snigger at his intellect. "The sharpest tool in the
shed he ain't," declared Jacob Weisberg of the ever-so-cleverSlate.com in an
article entitled "Do Dim Bulbs Make Better Presidents?" Soon, a Boston
reporter ambushed Bush with a pop quiz: Could he name the leaders of
Chechnya, Taiwan, India and Pakistan? Missing three of the four has exposed
Bush to the kind of scorn Dan Quayle endured after he misspelled "potato."

Does Bush's IQ matter?
What is particularly amusing about these attacks on Bush's IQ is that ever
since the 1994 publication of The Bell Curve by Charles Murray and the late
Richard Herrnstein, liberals have pursued an all-out vendetta against mental
testing and even the concept of intelligence. This egalitarian crusade
peaked earlier this autumn with the publication of that glib denunciation of
the SAT, The Big Test: The Secret History of the American Meritocracy by
Nicholas Lemann.

Although Lemann's book contains almost no quantitative data on
testing(apparently he couldn't find any to support his prejudices), a huge
amount is available to help us interpret Bush's SAT score.

IQ snobbery

So, does a 1206 (566 Verbal, 640 Math) truly mean you're as dumb as a box of
rocks?

First, any current college students reading this need to remember that SAT
scores beginning in 1996 were artificially inflated. So, do not assume that
your elders' relatively unimpressive results are objective proof that they
really are moronic as they may appear to you.

Second, although tables are readily available to convert SAT scores into
percentile rankings, they are not realistic since people who know they are
not college material do not take the SAT. Therefore, I asked my Human
Biodiversity e-mail discussion group how Bush would stack up compared to the
entire American public, not just SAT-takers.

In reply, Charles Murray noted that everybody except dropouts takes the
Pre-SAT. From the PSAT Murray calculates, "A Verbal 566 puts Bush at about
the 95th percentile of juniors  seniors ..., while 640 on Math puts him at
about the 98th percentile." In other words, only one out of 20 people would
out perform the candidate on the verbal part of the test, and only one out
of 50 on the numeric portion. Although SAT scores and IQ scores do not
coincide perfectly, Bush's SAT score would roughly project to an IQ in the
125-130 range.

Thus, all the sneering at Bush's 1206 says less about him than it does about
the IQ snobbery rampant among supposedly egalitarian liberals, especially
among neo-liberal journalists.

Are dumb president preferable?

In contrast to the liberals, conservatives suddenly have started
pooh-poohing the value of tests they had been defending only days before.
They now argue that a high IQ might work against success in the Oval Office.
Their argument is as follows: Nobody ever accused Ronald Reagan, John
F.Kennedy (IQ of 117 according to biographer Thomas C. Reeves), Harry
Truman, Franklin D. Roosevelt or George Washington of being sensationally
cerebral. In contrast, Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon (143 IQ), Herbert Hoover,
Woodrow Wilson, William Howard Taft and John Adams were smarter than they
were successful.

That's as illogical, however, as believing that height does not help in
basketball just because there are a number of fine players in the NBA who
aren't particularly tall, like 6'-0" Allen Iverson or 5'-3" Muggsy Bogues.

Just because presidents with stratospheric IQs have performed about the same
as their less egg-headed colleagues does not mean that IQ is not desirable
in a president, all else being equal. The problem is that all else is not
equal: Because so few people are at the far-right end of the IQ bell curve,
you cannot always find an individual among them who is blessed with all the
other presidential talents you desire. In contrast, the rare individuals who
make it to the White House from the fat part of the bell curve are far more
gifted in other ways than is typical for their IQ, just as Iverson and
Bogues make up for their height by being extraordinarily quick.

Consider the evenly matched Kennedy vs. Nixon election of 1960. There are
about 60 times more people who were at least as smart as JFK (whose IQ fell
at the 87th percentile) than were as smart as Nixon (99.8th percentile). Not
surprisingly, though, in compensation JFK was about 60 times as charismatic
as Nixon.

Too early to tell

Similarly, while Bush's test scores are far above average, more than 5
million American adults do at least as well as him. Out of a pool that vast,
we ought to be able to find individuals who have truly remarkable non-IQ
skills. Is Bush one of them? Our problem is that we do not yet know.
Unfortunately, the GOP 

[CTRL] Fwd: Konspira-palooza: The Lucifer Project

[Kris Millegan]

Please visit GettingIt online, and help support what has quickly turned into
the finest daily internet magazine going.  The following is the latest of my
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Feel free to pass this around.

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Konspira-palooza

The Lucifer Project
Milton William Cooper in space
BY ROBERT STERLING
[ 12.06.99 ]

Even among conspiracy theorists, Bill Cooper is an anomaly.

For his unique, rambling, surrealistic style, he should be celebrated as an
Andy Kaufman-esque performance artist. Instead, he is dismissed with a smug
sneer by most "respectable" conspiracy theorists, who argue he is a liar, a
disinformation agent, a lunatic, or a little bit of each. He's even the
subject of an entire chapter in the crackpotological encyclopedia Kooks.

A former member of Naval Intelligence, he is a popular shortwave radio host
and author whose work is an extraordinary mix of suppressed facts and wild
speculation. He writes in an engagingly paranoid tone, OFTEN WITH ENTIRE
SECTIONS IN CAPITAL LETTERS TO EMPHASIZE A POINT. Cooper may want to
broadcast the truth, but he's also a master showman in the spirit of P.T.
Barnum. In a Rolling Stone interview, X-Files mastermind Chris Carter
admitted that he used Cooper as inspiration to cook up convoluted plots for
his show.

What he lacks in respect, Cooper makes up for with a uniquely American brand
of multicultural popularity. He is celebrated by a Rainbow Coalition that
Jesse Jackson would envy. His militia-friendly rants against one-world
government and gun control have made him a folk hero of the patriot crowd.
Meanwhile, his descriptions of genocidal plots against African-Americans
involving crack and AIDS have gotten him lionized by the hip hop community.

What, then, to make of the following gem from Cooper? In his 1991 tome Behold
a Pale Horse, he warned that the US government was turning Jupiter into a
second sun. Cooper predicted that Galileo, the NASA spacecraft orbiting
Jupiter, would create an atomic chain reaction in the giant planet,
effectively turning it into a small star. How? In December 1999, Galileo will
deliver a 49.7-pound load of plutonium used to power the craft into the heart
of Jupiter. The end result will be a huge atomic reaction, and a newborn star
that Cooper has dubbed Lucifer.

But why would the government do this? First, to stave off the coming ice age,
and more importantly, to fulfill a Masonic ritual that is the final
requirement for founding an Illuminastic New World Order. Apparently, many
Illuminati high priests will be at the Great Pyramid of Cheops in Giza to
witness this crowning event.

As bizarre as the scenario sounds, it isn't beyond the realm of possibility
-- at least from a scientific standpoint. Arthur C. Clarke speculated upon
this possibility in the novel 2010, a sequel to his Kubrick-adapted
masterpiece. The book ends with Jupiter exploding precisely in this way, and
being renamed Lucifer. (The film version deleted this Satanic rechristening.)

Currently, Galileo is circling Io, the largest of Jupiter's four moons. Io --
described in news accounts as "fiery" and "unstable" -- is located in the
middle of one of Jupiter's intense radiation belts. So far, this radiation
has caused crippling computer malfunctions, and has triggered a fault in the
onboard computer's memory. Considering NASA's history with space probes, it
wouldn't be surprising if they lost control of Galileo. And then, of course,
it's anyone's guess what might happen next. Perhaps some Masonic insiders at
NASA could even use this excuse to shoot Galileo straight into Jupiter.

Meanwhile, back on Earth: At the stroke of midnight on December 31, a golden
pyramid will apparently be placed on the missing peak of the Great Pyramid,
flooding the surrounding area with golden rays. George Bush is scheduled to
be there.

Some would argue this is another of Cooper's elaborate fish tales, directly
lifted from 2010 to feed the panic-mongering hunger of his fans, eager for
another Baron Munchausen adventure. Cooper, for his part, insists he's merely
reporting what he was told in Naval Intelligence.

Will our planet soon become a paradise for wannabe George Hamiltons? Maybe
not. Still, it may be a good idea to stock up on suntan lotion in preparation
for Y2K, just in case.

Robert Sterling is the editor of The Konformist (www.konformist.com), the
Internet magazine dedicated to rebellion, konspiracy,  subversion. He is
easily bribed.

[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Diana as the Madonna

[Kris Millegan]

Please send as far and wide as possible.

Thanks,

Robert Sterling
Editor, The Konformist
http://www.konformist.com

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Diana as the Madonna---
12/8/1999

Storm over Diana 'Madonna' statue

When I wrote the book, Diana, Queen of Heaven,  Diana Queen Of Heaven  I
labored over what image I would use for the cover. I searched every book on
the goddess religion I could find, but there was no image that was instantly
reconizable, as a female deity.

In one of the books, I discovered a picture of a statue of the Goddess Diana
at Ephesus. Underneath the picture was a comment that was written by the
author. It was the author's opinion that the Christian church that was built
at Ephesus, and dedicated to Mary, Mother of Jesus, was done so in order for
the citizens of Ephesus to continue to worship the goddess Diana.

The point the author was making was that the new religion was being built
upon the foundation of the old religion. If the citizens of Ephesus resisted
giving up their female diety, then a concession would be made, and these
people would be allowed to worship Mary, the Mother of God, as if she were
the goddess Diana--the Mother of All.

In this case Mother Mary replaced the Goddess Diana. In my book, Diana, Queen
of Heaven, the point I am making is that a new Goddess religion is scheduled
to replace the patriarchal religions.

After much soul searching, I decided that the cover image  that would
immediately grab the readers and make them understand what is being planned
by the New World Order, would be a picture of Diana, dressed in the
traditional and easily recognized garb of Mother Mary.

I chose one of the most famous pictures of Mary, and a friend  copied it and
then painted it with water colors.  For the face, we chose a photo of Diana
that captured the gentleness of Mother Mary.

When the book was released, I received several angry letters from Catholics
stating that I had desecrated the image of Mother Mary. The depth of their
anger proved to me that I was correct in choosing this image as the cover for
my book.

Once I explained that if Christians do not stand up and fight the New World
Order, then in a few short years, we will begin to see the merging of
Princess Diana with the Goddess Diana who will usurp and replace Mother Mary.

The only woman, in modern days, that is associated  with diety, is Mary,
therefore  I speculated that the New World Order would probably dress their
Goddess Diana in the traditional Mary garb.

Once my angry Catholics realized why I did what I did, they understood my
reasoning and embraced it. One woman ordered a dozen books for her church.

In the book, I postulated that the change from a patriarcal religion to a
matriarcal religion could come in two ways. It could rise from the ashes of a
world destroyed by natural or man made diasaters -- or it could take the
gradual process, over decades, where society is slowly re-educated into
accepting a Mother Goddess, instead of a Father God.

During this slow re-education process, the legend of Princess Diana would
grow, until she was known  the world over, as the most beautiful, the most
loving, the most giving woman who has ever lived. I postulated that soon
holographic images of Princess Diana would appear in the sky, dressed as
Mother Mary.

My book was published in February of 1999. Ten months after the publication
of my book, I am seeing the first of the signs that I predicted. I truly did
not expect to see one this soon.  The following article, published by the
BBC, talks about a statue of Princess Diana dressed as the Mother Mary.

The people of Ephesus resisted a patriarcal religion. To ease the new
religion into the area, the emphasis was placed on Mary, Mother of God,
rather than on Jesus as God. Mary was called the Mother of God, and as such
was equated a position of reverence equal to the female diety that had been
worshipped in the area, the Goddess Diana. The new religion, Christianity,
was slowly being introduced, into the area, by building  upon the existing
legends.

And now it has come full circle. In London, the first public  display of
Diana as Mother Mary is taking place.  The  Goddess religion, is
surepticiously being foisted upon an unsuspecting public. The subtle,
subliminal message of the Diana/Madonna statue, tells us that Diana and
Mother Mary are equal.

 Diana Queen Of Heaven
Click on my web page and see the cover of the book, then compare the photos
of the statue that is on the BBC site.

Remember, there are very few copies of Diana, Queen of Heaven left, and there
are no plans to reprint in the near future. See the end of this article for
details on the Christmas Special and order information
_
  Wednesday, 8 December, 1999, 14:18 GMT
Storm over Diana 'Madonna' statue
 Lord Alton said many would find the exhibition "deeply offensive"

A controversial statue of Diana, Princess of Wales portrayed as the Virgin
Mary is to 

[CTRL] Hiding Secretary of Defense Cohen at the CFR

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

from:
http://cryptome.org/wsc-hiding.htm
Click Here: A HREF="http://cryptome.org/wsc-hiding.htm"Hiding Secretary of
Defense Cohen/A
-

8 December 1999


Yesterday the Department of Defense announced in a regular press briefing
that Secretary of Defense Cohen would be speaking in the evening at the
Council on Foreign Affairs (CFR) in New York City.

We telephoned CFR (212-734-0400) and was told by the Office of Communications
that the event was closed to non-members and the media. We asked for reports
or transcripts that may be released about Secretary Cohen's remarks.

This morning we called CFR to see if a transcript of Mr. Cohen's remarks
would be made public. Jessica Vandersalm in the Office of Communications
(212-434-9537) answered: "No, it was a closed session, no transcript of
Secretary Cohen's remarks would be released, especially the QA with
members."

We asked if there was a formal arrangment with DoD or other governmental
agencies to withhold information on what the officials said at CFR events.
Ms. Vandersalm said no, it was a policy of CFR, as a private organization, to
decide case by case whether to publicize information provided at such events,
and that the government did not have a say in it.

We asked about a reversal of that decision with respect to Mr. Cohen's talk
yesterday so that information provided by a government official could be made
public. We cited a previous talk by the secretary last year in which CFR
provided us a speech transcript. We asked if it would help to make an inquiry
at a senior level at CFR? Ms. Vandersalm snapped, "it is not open to debate."
We then called the DoD Office of Public Affairs (703-697-9312) to learn about
its policy on closed appearances by Mr. Cohen and were referred to Mr. Brian
Whitman (703-695-3886).

Mr. Whitman said that there was no formal policy on closed appearances of Mr.
Cohen.
"Secretary Cohen makes many open and closed appearances at organizations and
it is up to the organizations to decide about releasing information presented
at the events," he said.
We asked if that was the official policy of DoD.

Mr. Whitman aggressed, "no, don't put words in my mouth, those are my words."

We asked if he was saying that his words are DoD official policy.

Mr. Whitman: "Those are my words."

We asked Mr. Whitman if he could direct us to someone who knew official DoD
policy.

He: "Those are my words, that answers your question."

We said no, we asked about official policy of DoD on withholding information
provided by a Department of Defense official in a closed, non-governmental,
setting.

Mr. Whitman: "Look, even the President meets with Congressional members in
private."

We said that is government-to-government activity, not a
government-to-private session like that at CFR. Mr. Whitman said, "such
closed sessions go on all the time, Secretary Cohen appears at a wide variety
of open and closed events and it is up to sponsors of closed events to
release information."

We asked if we can quote him as saying that is DoD official policy.

Mr. Whitman: "No you cannot, those are my words; this conversation is over."

We asked Mr. Whitman his title.

He: "Call me a spokesman for the Defense Department."

We said thank you.

Mr. Whitman: "Thank you."

-
CFR Website: http://www.cfr.org
Department of Defense News site: http://www.defenselink.mil/news/
Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense (Public Affairs): [EMAIL PROTECTED]
a.osd.mil
Speech given by Secretary Cohen at CFR in September 1998: http://jya.com/wsc09
1498.htm
Attendees at that session: http://jya.com/dod091498.htm
Our request to interview Secretary Cohen about encryption policy and the
impact of Echelon on building trust with allies: http://jya.com/cohen-rfc.htm.
 Which never produced results, even as late as November 26, 1999, but still
trying, hence this birddogging update.
-
Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End

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[CTRL] OEN 12/9/99

[Kris Millegan]

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from:
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Government Corruption


Kohl Secret Financing Records Missing


Funny how that happens.

RECORDS of the secret financing system run by Helmut Kohl during his time as
leader of Germany's Christian Democratic Union have gone missing, his
successor said yesterday.

Wolfgang Schäuble, who took over from Mr Kohl last year, said the files for
1994-96 were missing from the documents handed by Horst Weyrauch, the
Frankfurt accountant who ran the secret system, to auditors commissioned by
the current party leadership to investigate the affair.

Mr Kohl, who has admitted the existence of the secret accounts, is under
pressure from the party leadership to tell all he knows about where the money
came from and what he used it for in his 25 years as CDU chairman. Mr
Schäuble says the damage done to Mr Kohl's reputation and the party's
credibility can be ended only by a policy of full disclosure.

But although Mr Kohl, now the CDU's honorary chairman, attended yesterday's
meeting he did not appear at the subsequent press conference. Mr Schäuble
said Mr Kohl had "declared his willingness to do all in his power" to help
the auditors get to the bottom of the affair, but had little knowledge of the
details of the secret bank accounts "and a limited memory".

Mr Schäuble denied that during Mr Kohl's 16 years as chancellor the
government was "bought" by illegal donations and dismissed rumours that the
French oil company Elf Aquitaine made payments through middlemen to the CDU
in order to be allowed to build a refinery at Leuna in eastern Germany.

The German parliament recently set up a committee to investigate whether part
of the sums paid out by Elf in connection with the deal reached the CDU
coffers. While the CDU was in power it could stop MPs gaining access to the
government's records of the deal, but Chancellor Schröder's Social Democrats
have no interest in preventing full disclosure.
The London Telgraph, December 9, 1999


Spy vs. Spy


US Kicks Out Russian Diplomat-Spy


Eavesdropping at the State Department.

SHARM EL-SHEIK, Egypt (AP) -- The United States is expelling a Russian
diplomat caught gathering information with an eavesdropping device at the
State Department, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright said today.

She said the diplomat has been declared unwelcome in the United States and
ordered to leave within 10 days.

A State Department statement distributed to reporters in Egypt identified the
diplomat as Stanislav Borisovich Gusev, a second secretary, and said he was
detained for a period by the FBI.

Officials in Washington said he subsequently was turned over to the Russian
embassy after invoking diplomatic immunity.

Albright said Under Secretary of State Thomas Pickering summoned the Russian
ambassador to his office Wednesday to protest the eavesdropping.

More details of the case were to be released later today, Albright said at a
news conference here after meeting with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and
Foreign Minister Amre Mousse.

Neither Albright nor officials in Washington gave any immediate indications
of what U.S. government secrets may have been compromised.

In Moscow, the Russian Foreign Ministry refused immediate comment on the
detention. Boris Labusov, a spokesman for the Foreign Intelligence Service,
said he, too, wouldn't comment on the case, but added that the accusations
sounded far-fetched.

A U.S. official in Washington, who spoke Wednesday night on condition of
anonymity, said the FBI and the State Department's Diplomatic Security
Service had been watching the diplomat for some time.

The listening device was found in what more than one official described as a
``sensitive area'' of the State Department, but officials would not specify
when or where. The diplomat was trying to use the listening device when he
was apprehended, one official said.

President Clinton held a news conference in the building Wednesday afternoon.

It was unclear how law enforcement authorities first learned about the diploma
t, and officials offered few details about the investigation. The diplomat
may also be a suspect in planting the device, one official said.
As a result of the immunity claim, the diplomat cannot be charged with a
crime. The FBI and the State Department's Diplomatic Security Service turned
the diplomat over to the Russian Embassy, one official said.

Last week, Russia ordered the expulsion of a U.S. diplomat in Moscow after
accusing her of attempting to obtain secret military information from a
Russian citizen.

Like the Russian Embassy employee here, the U.S. diplomat in Moscow,
identified as Cheri Leberknight, a second secretary in the U.S. Embassy's
political section, has claimed diplomatic immunity and cannot be charged with
a crime.

A U.S. official said Wednesday night there was no connection between
Leberknight's expulsion and the 

[CTRL] Fwd: FC: Wired News SF tech reporter and DC freelance position opening

[Kris Millegan]

I am looking for an experienced Washington DC freelance writer to expand
our coverage of tech events for Wired News. The topics will be related to
what we currently cover in our politics section
(http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,,00.html), and the word length
of stories would probably range between 600 and 800 words depending on the
nature of the assignment. Experience in DC and deadline reporting a must.

To apply, send an email message with subject "WIRED NEWS FREELANCER" to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Include URLs for resume and writing samples. No MSWD
files or attachments.



My colleague James Glave has left and we're looking for someone to fill his
full-time position in the San Francisco office. The job description:

Wired News seeks a senior-level reporter. All candidates must have a
solid background in news reporting, and be comfortable in deadline
situations.

Highly recommended are candidates with a deep knowledge of
Internet-related fields, including politics, culture, encryption,
privacy, and wireless technology. Connections within the hacker/cracker
world is a plus.

To apply, send an email message with subject "WIRED NEWS SENIOR REPORTER"
to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Detailed instructions are available at:
  http://hotwired.lycos.com/home/jobs/



Also while I'm at it I understand the Dittus PR folks have openings in DC.
Resumes should go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Good luck,
Declan



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[CTRL] Fwd: FC: Microsoft foes open up wallets for Orrin Hatch fundraiser

[Kris Millegan]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-12/09/212l-120999-idx.html

Microsoft Foes Team Up For Hatch Fund-Raiser

  By John Mintz
  Washington Post Staff Writer
  Thursday, December 9, 1999; Page A26

  Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah) has for years been one of the Senate's most
  outspoken critics of the business tactics employed by Microsoft Corp.
  Now, a group of Microsoft's most bitter corporate enemies are holding a
  Silicon Valley fund-raiser for Hatch's presidential campaign.

  Hatch won many friends in the software industry when his Senate Judiciary
  Committee held a series of scathing hearings on Microsoft's tactics. Last
  month, after a federal judge ruled against the firm in the first round of an
  antitrust trial, Hatch said he wanted to hold more hearings, this time to
  explore how to rein in Microsoft. [...]

  Hatch also has tapped one of the firms putting on the fund-raiser for
  assistance on another front. His campaign recently asked America Online
  Inc. to fly him around on its corporate jet. Although the company agreed,
  Flint said, "the jet wasn't available at the times we requested."

  [...]

  But Hatch has drawn an impressive roster of e-economy executives to
  sponsor Friday's fund-raiser--a list consisting almost entirely of companies
  embracing the Justice Department's antitrust lawsuit against Microsoft.

  They include Eric Schmidt of Novell Inc.--based in Hatch's home state of
  Utah--as well as Scott McNealy of Sun Microsystems Inc., Jeff Henley of
  Oracle Corp., George Vradenburg of AOL and Larry Wolfe of Intuit Inc.
  Another is Andrew Steinberg of Sabre Inc., an airline reservation company
  that isn't even based in Silicon Valley, but is a vigorous opponent of
  Microsoft's tactics.

  Hatch and his Senate staff worked closely with these firms in mounting
  anti-Microsoft hearings over the last two years. A former Hatch chief of
  staff, Kevin McGuiness, went on to become a lobbyist for ProComp, an
  organization formed by a number of these companies to pressure Congress
  and the Justice Department to crack down on Microsoft. Now McGuiness
  is Hatch's campaign manager and helped organize the Silicon Valley event.

  [...]



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Re: [CTRL] WTO: Meltdown

[Nurev Ind Research]

 -Caveat Lector-

Bill G wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 This article sounds like apology for fascism to me.  Whats going to happen when
 the bubble bursts and the greedy pig industrialists of this country can no
 longer find cheap labor anywhere?  It would be better to totally restructure
 the consumption of the people than to keep ignorantly building landfills to
 maintain a runaway elite.  This conservative idiot thinks the well will never
 run dry, or only cares if it doesn't run dry during his lifetime.  If the
 people get hungry enough they will just take everything back forcefully and a
 less refined version of organized crime, versus our federal government, will
 take the place of the criminals running business in the world today. Witness
 Russia.  The currency everywhere is corrupt. Understand that the bubble is at
 the bursting point and know that all this discussion and social masturbation is
 just that, instant gratification and hot air.BG

   -Caveat Lector-
 
   WTO: Meltdown
 
 
  Thank Heaven the Seattle meeting of the World Trade
  Organization closed with absolutely nothing accomplished.
  Indeed, the delegates are glad just to leave the city in one


Dear Bill,

I think you should stop pussyfooting around, and just say what you feel.

Joshua2

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[CTRL] He who pays the piper...Capitalism vs democracy.

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 Original Message 
Subject: US Firms Tell Congress to Back China in WTO "Or Else"
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:01:24 -0600 (CST)
From: Michael Eisenscher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: PACH
To: undisclosed-recipients:;

December 8, 1999

US Firms Tell Congress to Back China-WTO

Filed at 4:17 p.m. ET

By Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Corporate America warned lawmakers on Wednesday
against blocking a landmark trade agreement with China, saying their vote
could prompt a backlash from business in the November 2000 congressional
election.

Less than a week after the collapse of global trade talks in Seattle, U.S.
Chamber of Commerce President Thomas Donohue said his group would step up a
lobbying campaign to convince the Republican-controlled Congress to support
the trade pact, which would open a wide range of Chinese markets and clear
the way for Beijing to join the World Trade Organization (WTO).

``If you're absent on this China vote, it's going to get very expensive
politically,'' said Donohue, who heads the nation's largest business group.
``You make this vote at your own peril.''

ELECTION YEAR BATTLE

The White House has already called meetings with key lawmakers as it gears
up for a bruising election-year fight over the deal, which requires
Congress to grant Beijing favorable access to U.S. markets, so-called
permanent normal trade relations (NTR) status.

``It will be a hell of a fight to get from here to there. ... We're going
to have to put a lot of time, energy, effort and money into this,'' Donohue
told reporters, but added: ``This is going to happen.''

Analysts said the collapse of WTO talks in Seattle has strengthened the
hand of free trade critics, including labor groups worried that low-priced
Chinese-made goods would flood the U.S. market under the trade agreement,
costing American workers their jobs.

Stephen Yokich, president of the United Auto Workers union, has sent a
letter to President Clinton, vowing to ``mobilize our members and the
general public'' against a trade accord that he said was ``contrary to the
interest of working families.''

John Sweeney, president of the 13-million member AFL-CIO, has promised to
``wage a full and vigorous campaign'' against the trade deal. ``We'll spend
as much money as necessary,'' he said.

At a congressional hearing on Wednesday, China's critics lashed out at the
trade deal.

Rep. Christopher Smith, a New Jersey Republican, said China must improve
its human rights record.

``The tongues of our people are sore from licking the boots of these
dictators. It's embarrassing,'' said Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, a California
Republican, another opponent.

Congress must vote to grant Beijing permanent NTR status as part of the
trade deal that would open China's vast market potential to U.S.
businesses. Permanent NTR would guarantee China low-tariff access to U.S.
markets.

Clinton is counting on the business community to lead the fight, even
though business leaders have long been skeptical of his commitment to free
trade and his push to bring labor and environmental issues into negotiations.

Clinton's relations with business frayed last week when he suggested that
trade sanctions might eventually be used against developing countries that
ignored labor standards. The comment sparked a backlash from developing
nations, precipitating the collapse of WTO negotiations in Seattle.

CLINTON BLAMED

Some business leaders and WTO diplomats have accused Clinton of bowing to
pressure from labor unions and other domestic interests to help his chosen
successor, Vice President Al Gore, at the polls in 2000. In so doing, they
said, Clinton undermined U.S. leadership at the WTO.

An exasperated Donohue lashed out at Clinton for his remarks on sanctions,
saying it scuttled a more narrowly tailored proposal that would have set up
a WTO working group on worker issues. ``That was the end of that deal ...
done, gone, finished, and you couldn't get a vote on that if hell froze
over,'' he said.

Despite the Seattle debacle, Donohue said he was confident Congress would
approve the China deal and said his group would be aggressive in lobbying
for it.

``This is very important to this country, very important to our national
security, our national well-being and to our trading position in the world,
and people that are absent on that deal may find November 2000 more
cumbersome than they had hoped,'' he said.

On Tuesday, White House chief of staff John Podesta and other aides met at
the White House with Democratic Rep. Norman Dicks of Washington and Arizona
Republican Rep. Jim Kolbe and other members on how best to gather support
for approving permanent normal trade relations with China.

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Re: [CTRL] FW: Chemical war in Seattle-The World's Still Watching -

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

If this report is correct, and assuming that the symptoms described cannot
be attributed to other causes such as stress, the symptoms identified appear
to match those produced by the nerve agents VX (sarin) and GB. It will be
extremely interesting to see if any of the canisters brought in have yellow
stripes on them; this is the standard ID for chemical nerve agents. (My
suspicion is however that any such canisters will have been disguised as
"regular" CS or CN.)

 -Original Message-
 From: Dave [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 11:11 PM
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  [CTRL] FW: Chemical war in Seattle-The World's Still
 Watching-

  -Caveat Lector-

 Dave Hartley
 http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave

 =

 [Seattle Independent Media Center]
 The Seattle Indy Media Center is a
 coalition of many independent media
 organizations and producers, offering
 live coverage of the WTO protests
 ignored by the corporate media.

 Latest News:

 Neurotoxic Symptoms In Chemical Warfare
 Casualties At Seattle WTO Meeting
 by kirk james murphy, MD
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10:04am
 Tue Dec 7 '99

 Direct Action Network Medical
 Collective members provided first aid
 and other  care for thousands of
 casualties of chemical warfare during
 the Seattle WTO protests.

 Collective members identified a subset
 of casualties with  symptoms consistent
  with exposure to neurotoxins which
 disrupt  acetylcholine irritant agents
 do not explain the symptoms.

snip

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[CTRL] re-post 4 list newbies: CFR [just do it!]

[BARD]

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This is the Official Web Site of
The Headquarters of The New World Order!
http://www.foreignrelations.org/public/

Newbies, Know your enemy.

In other words this is the
Web Site of your Master's
Plantation.

Master of the Plantation:  Now you all be good little children
and I'll see to it your shackles are loosened a bit.

Slaves:  Oh Thank You, Massie, thank you, thank you.

Bard
http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm

Free Speech!  use or lose it.

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[CTRL] [Fwd: Vandana Shiva: Monsanto Expanding Monopolies From Seed to Water]

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 Original Message 
Subject: Vandana Shiva: Monsanto Expanding Monopolies From Seed to Water
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:29:07 -0600 (CST)
From: Bill Koehnlein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: ?
To: undisclosed-recipients:;

http://www.corpwatch.org/trac/corner/worldnews

By Dr. Vandana Shiva
CorporationWatch August 1999

Over the past few years, Monsanto, a chemical company, has positioned
itself as an agricultural company through control over seed the first link
in the food chain. Monsanto now wants to control water, the very basis of
life.

In 1996, Monsanto bought the biotechnology assets of Agracetus, a
subsidiary of W.R. GRACE, for $150 million and Calagene, a California
based plant biotechnology company for $340 million. In 1997, Monsanto
acquired Holden seeds, the Brazilian seed company Sementes Agrocerus and
Asgrow. In 1998, Monsanto purchased Cargill's seed operations for $1.4
billion. It bought Delta and Pine land for $1.82 billion and Dekalb for $2.3
billion. It bought Unilever's European wheat breeding business for $525
million. In India Monsanto has bought Mahyco, Maharashtra Hybrid Company,
E.I.D. Parry and Rallis. Mr.Jack Kennedy of Monsanto has stated "We propose
to penetrate the Indian Agricultural sector in a big way. MAHYCO is a good
vehicle." According to Robert Farley of Monsanto "what you are seeing is not
just a consolidation of seed companies, it is really a consolidation of the
entire food chain. Since water is an central to food production as seed is,
and without water life is not possible.

Monsanto is now trying to establish its control over water. During 1999
Monsanto plans to launch a new water business, starting with India and
Mexico since both these countries are facing water shortages.

Monsanto is seeing a new business opportunity in water because of the
emerging water crisis and the funding available to make this vital
resource available to people. As it states in its strategy paper, "first we
believe that discontinuities (either major policy changes or major trendline
breaks in resource quality or quantity) are likely, particularly in the area
of water and we will be well positioned via these business to profit even
more significantly when these discontinuities occur. Second, we are
exploring the potential of non-conventional financing (NGO's, World Bank,
USDA etc.) that may lower our investment or provide local country business
building resources." Thus, the crisis of pollution and depletion of water
resources is viewed by Monsanto as a business opportunity. For
Monsanto "Sustainable Development" means the conversion of an ecological
crisis into a market of scarce resources. "The business logic of sustainable
development is that population growth and economic development will apply
increasing pressure on natural resource markets. These pressures and the
world's desire to prevent the consequences of these pressures if unabated,
will create vast economic opportunity when we look at the world through the
lens of sustainability we are in a position to see current and foresee
impending resource market trends and imbalances that create market needs. We
have further focussed this lens on the resource market of water and land.

These are the markets that are most relevant to us as a life sciences
company committed to delivering "food, health and hope" to the world, and
there are markets in which there are predictable sustainability challenges
and therefore opportunities to create business value." Monsanto plans to
earn revenues of $420 million and net income of $63 million by 2008 from its
water business in India and Mexico. By the year 2010 about 2.5 billion
people in the world are projected to lack access to safe drinking water. At
least 30% of the population in China, India, Mexico and US is expected to
face severe water stress.

By the year 2025 the supply of water in India will be 700 cubic kilometers
per year while the demand is expected to rise to 1050 units. Control over
this scarce and vital resource will of course
be a source of guaranteed profits. As John Bastin of the European Bank of
Reconstruction and Development has stated "Water is the last
infrastructure frontier for Private investors." Monsanto estimates that
providing safe water is a several billion dollar market. It is growing at 25
- 30% in rural communities and is estimated to be $300 million by the year
2000 in India and Mexico. This is the amount currently spent by NGO's for
water development projects and local government water supply schemes and
Monsanto hopes to tap these public finances for providing water to rural
communities and convert water supply into market. The Indian Government
spent over $ 1.2 billion between 1992-97 for various water projects whicle
the World Bank spent $900 million. Monsanto would like to divert this public
money from public supply of water to establishing Monsanto's water monopoly.
Since in rural areas the poor cannot pay, in Monsanto's view 

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[CTRL] Sai Baba; A Master of Love or Deception?

[Light Network]

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CHANGE-PREPARATION-SURVIVAL-VICTORY

Greetings from Holland.

We are doing research on Sai Baba and looking for articles, experiences and
happy to recieve comments for our file.
Http://www.iae.nl/users/lightnet/world/sai.htm

* The "SAI BABA" files (Sai Baba; A Master of Love or a Master of Deception?)



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TO ALL THE 6000.000 DEVOTEES OF  SAI BABA AND THE 2000 SAI BABA  CENTERS IN
THE WORLD AND ALL THOSE WHO FOLLOW A GURU OR ANY MASTER:
From Light Network's Sai Baba Files: "A Master of Love or Deception?"
Http://www.iae.nl/users/lightnet/world/sai.htm

DISCERNMENT

At this time of transition, be very careful about who and what you are
following.
In fact, if you are following at all, that is the first indication that you
are off track. For those of you who are still students of gurus, we
recommend discernment. This is no longer time of great spiritual teachers.
It is now the time of great spirits instead. This shift from master/student
to just plain master may cause a temporary unemployment problem in India
and elsewhere, but do not be alarmed. The true masters of light will make
the shift with ease and will welcome your upcoming graduation with the same
relief that they welcome their much deserved retirement.


For Updates on other issues:
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Re: [CTRL] People in America early

[Tatman, Robert]

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ISTR that some archaeologists identify the Jomon culture with the ancestors
of the Ainu, who inhabited the entire Japanese archipelago before the
arrival of the ancestral Japanese, probably from Korea. This is of course
quite controversial in Japan.

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  New World colonists from the mysterious Jomon culture?


  DNA links Japanese with ancient Andeans

  by Steve Connor
  London Independent, Dec 1, 1999

  Scientists have established a direct link between the present-day
 inhabitants of Japan and the ancient Andeans by studying the DNA of
 mummies
 recovered from the Atacama Desert in Chile.
  snip
  The findings show that...  the Asiatic ancestors of the Andeans ...
 migrated to Alaska across the frozen Bering Strait more than 20,000 years
 ago
 to colonize North and South America.
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  --Study published in the journal Nature Medicine, by Kazuo Tajima and
 colleagues from the Aichi Cancer Center Research Institute in Nagoya,
 Japan



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[CTRL] Calories Burned Calculator

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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Calories Burned Calculator

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Diana as the Madonna

[Tatman, Robert]

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It is widely expected by Vatican watchers that Pope John Paul II will use
the occasion of the Jubilee Year 2000 with its attendant gigantic
pilgrimages to Rome to formally proclaim the doctrine of Mary as
Co-Redemptrix, the equal of Jesus Christ as agent of human salvation...thus
effectively expanding the Holy Trinity to a Holy Quaternity or Holy
Foursome, and presenting the Western World with its first
officially-sanctioned female deity since the conversion of the last European
pagans at the end of the Middle Ages.

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[CTRL] FW: WTO, etc.

[Tatman, Robert]

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Some comments extracted from a personal e-mail from a family member in
Seattle commenting on the WTO foofaraw, edited slightly:
...
[A source] high up in King County government ... had some comments on how
Seattle government handled the mess. [The source] said that the county and
other local and state agencies offered to help Seattle manage the situation.
They were initially turned down, and then when things were at their worst
(Wednesday), they got calls for help, but of course could not respond in
time.

 That Norm Stamper resigned as police chief is a good thing. Although he
 personally holds values that seem liberal and compatible with Seattle's
 reputation, he did a poor job of managing his department, with the result
 that the policeman's union and the rank and file really do a lot of acting
 on their own. From a community perspective, police have felt out of
 control for some time, very uneven from precinct to precinct. I'm glad to
 see him go, but worry about who will take his place, and the tone that
 will be set.
...

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[CTRL] NEW LIST for ALL ARRESTED AT WTO SEATTLE !!! (fwd)

[Dave]

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Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave



Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 01:05:41 -0800
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Subject: URGENT: TO ALL ARRESTED AT WTO SEATTLE

Seattle WTO Discussion List - http://members.aol.com/pgacaravan

Hello fellow John and Jane WTO's. There is a lot we need to stay in
contact about, for civil/class action suit reasons, for DAN legal
advice and of course for support. Anyway, at the meeting tonight, I
was asked to make up the official type mailing list, so this is it,
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[CTRL] Another possibility

[nessie]

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Maybe the Seattle nerve gas story is disinfo, part of of a psy-war op.

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Black Bloc and obsessive analysis

[nessie]

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 And violence can have no part in creating such a society.

Is it valid to distinguish between vandalism and assault?

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[CTRL] Experience Seattle on Eight 8-hour Videotapes

[David Crockett Williams]

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Ralph is also available to travel and videotape other progressive events and
distribute low cost videotape documentary records of them.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: undisclosed-recipients:; undisclosed-recipients:;
Subject: Experience Seattle on Eight 8-hour Videotapes, only $40
fromJusticeVision
Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 2:22 AM

Hola Friends of JusticeVision and others seeking social justice-

First of all, I want to thank those of you that kept nudging me about going
to Seattle, either to be there with them or to be there to record events on
their behalf. It was an amazing 8 days for me, for reasons you never would
have guessed from the media coverage. I doubt if history has ever seen such
massive convergence of compassion and intellect.

I know you have plenty to read so I will make this as short as I can. There
were multi-part teach-ins going on each day, and I taped as many of them as
I
could, as well as a good sampling of the marches, rallies, and protest
demonstrations that were going on. I taped about 66 hours in all. I am
putting together eight 8-hour videotapes (one 8-hour tape for each day I was
there), that will contain the 30 (or so) events I taped. I am keeping them
in
chronological order so that the viewer will be able to experience each event
in the context of what had taken place before. The experience will make
transparent the spin that leaders and media are putting on the the causes
and
implications of the weeks events, in a way that disorienting sound-bite
journalism never could, even if it wanted to. The experience will also give
you dozens of often amazing new heros (easily more than a hundred) to
cherish
from progressive movements around the world, as well as deepened respect for
and better familiarity with those you already know. Some show up in more
than
one venue, sometimes on different topics. A sampling of familiar names from
those that spoke at one or more of the events, in alphabetical order, is
Maude Barlow, Ruth Caplan, Tony Clarke, Kevin Danaher, Mike Dolan, Ronnie
Dugger, Susan George, Randall Hayes, Jim Hightower, Martin Khor, David
Korten, Michael Moore (ours, not theirs), Ralph Nader, Mark Ritchie, (Cuban
Foreign Minister) Felipe Perez Roque, Vandana Shiva, John Sweeney, Lori
Wallach, Jim Wallis, and Maxine Waters. There are also theater groups, and
musical performances by solo artists and groups such as the Raging Grandmas,
and Honey In The Rock. Though we were recording inside during the most
violent of the police riots, we were able to videotape what appeared to be
and what we believe was a completely unprovoked use of police force. We also
took part in both of the rallies and marches that culminated in the County
Jail lockdowns, and enjoyed preserving for you on video a large portion of
the several hours we were able to spend there with the protesters.

I'm offering the 8-videotape (approx. 64 hour) set for a requested donation
of $80, although I'll go as low as $40 because I know a lot of you can't
afford to pay more than that, and I would like very much for everyone to
share the experience as possible. I ordinarily don't ask people to pay in
advance, but I have to this time, because my VCRs are going out and I need
to
raise money to replace them, to buy blank tapes (which cost me $1.55 each)
and pay for mailing. I also have received orders for over 900 tapes in
Seattle (@ $5 each to be paid later, in order to introduce people to the
Democracy University Video Series we do). The 15 VCRs I have that still work
would have to run day and night for almost a month just to fill those
orders.

In case you are concerned about prepaying, all my tapes come with a No
Regrets Guarantee. If you let me know if you are not happy with a tape, I
will replace it or refund that portion of the money you sent, or will send
something else you think you might like better.

Orders will be filled as quickly as possible, but I may have to send them
serially, possibly one a week, especially if I am unable to raise enough
money to add more machines. Orders that come with donations in excess of the
minimum will be priortized accordingly, since they in effect will be helping
me increase the rate at which I can get everybody's tapes out. I intend to
fill all prepaid orders ahead of the orders I received in Seattle, since
those were not prepaid, for the same reason.

Individual tapes from the set will be available for a minimum donation of
$10
or more (for orders not received in Seattle), which is still a great deal
for
an 8-hour videotape (it works out to $1.25 an hour). A separate announcement
detailing the contents of each tape in the set will be emailed when it is
ready. I must tell you, though, that judging upon my own experience in
putting the tapes together, there is no tape among the 8 that you will not
enjoy immensely, benefit from, and want to share.

A Closing Thought:
By making this record of the substantive lectures and discussions that

[CTRL] 1,000 dead and 50,000 homeless from Ambon violence

[Richard Sampson]

 -Caveat Lector-

http://www.theage.com.au/breaking/9912/09/A27088-1999Dec9.shtml

1,000 dead and 50,000 homeless from Ambon violence

 Source: AAP | Published: Thursday December 9, 6:06 PM

 Up to 1,000 people have been killed and 50,000 left homeless by
violence on the
 Indonesian island of Ambon, the federal government said today.

 'This is another sad event in an unsatisfactory circumstance that has
been taking
 place for some time,' government Senate leader Robert Hill told
parliament.

 'Since the end of July, as a result of Muslim Christian clashes it's
been suggested
 the death toll could be somewhere between about 500 and one thousand
people.

 'And the numbers that might have been dispossessed could be anything up
to
 about 50,000.'

 Senator Hill said in terms of world calamities, the Ambon situation was
serious and
 should not be overlooked in the wake of publicity surrounding East
Timor.

 He said Australia had continued to put pressure on civil and military
authorities to
 restore order to the island.

 'There's little more that we can do in that sense, other than to
monitor the situation,
 and urge the Indonesian authorities to take appropriate action,'
Senator Hill said.

 The government had donated $1 million in humanitarian aid to Ambon for
food,
 clothing and medical supplies.

 The International Red Cross is in the country assisting victims.

 But Senator Hill said there were some hopeful signs.

 'Recent reports (show) President Wahid is about to visit Ambon in an
effort to
 promote peace,' Senator Hill said.

 'I think we can draw from that at least the fact that, not only the
circumstances have
 been recognised by the leadership within Indonesia ... but also that
they are
 prepared to take actions to try and bring about a cessation of the
violence.

 'And the hope that people can in fact return to their homes and live
peacefully, and
 safely.'


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Re: [CTRL] Safra Death a Mystery

[Daniel Holly]

 -Caveat Lector-

If "I" were an aged bachelor billionaire living in seclusion in Monaco, MY
"nurses" would all be barely-18 porno queens in skimpy French maid outfits
(when dressed at all) ... Let the damned pharmacy and a private physician
on
call handle any medication needed ...

In some Eastern cultures this would be viewed as
common sense. Ghandi slept with young virgins
when he was older. By slept I am speaking literally
with no intercourse. I think all those young female vibes
can add years to an old dude's life.

Intercourse would be avoided as depleting for the old fella.
In China would do the same. You have the money, you get
the companionship you can pay for.






-Original Message-
From: Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Safra Death a Mystery


 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 99-12-08 19:11:14 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Is there perchance a gay angle to this all?
Hmnnn.

Well, all the "male nurses" attending Safra DOES seem to suggest that
possibility.

If "I" were an aged bachelor billionaire living in seclusion in Monaco, MY
"nurses" would all be barely-18 porno queens in skimpy French maid outfits
(when dressed at all) ... Let the damned pharmacy and a private physician
on
call handle any medication needed ...

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[CTRL] Mayor threatens bachelor tax in bid to bring babies

[Richard Sampson]

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http://www.theage.com.au/breaking/9912/09/A26819-1999Dec9.shtml

Mayor threatens bachelor tax in bid to bring babies

 Source: DPA | Published: Thursday December 9, 4:07 PM

 VASTOGIRARDI, Italy: The smoky Bar Centrale in the southern Italian
village of
 Vastogirardi may soon be left without its most devoted customers.

 Concerned about a demographic decline that risks wiping his village off
the map,
 Mayor Vincenzo Venditti has warned Vastogirardi's die-hard bachelors to
get
 married and start having bambini or face a hefty tax.

 'The situation is truly dramatic and it is reaching the point of no
return. Unless we
 have more babies, I will soon be forced to close our school. And a
village without a
 school is as good as dead,' Mr Venditti said.

 Last year, funerals in Vastogirardi outnumbered births 30 to one and
only two
 newborn babies were expected by the end of this year. Weddings are so
rare that
 they draw crowds of up to 400 people, or half the village's present
population.

 'I have thought of everything, even of subsidising nappies and making
holes in
 condoms,' Venditti said.

 'The idea of a tax on bachelors seems reasonable to me as singles live
with their
 parents and have fewer expenses.'

 Venditti's proposal of a five-million-lire levy ($A3,827) on
Vastogirardi's 70 single
 men is unlikely to be enacted due to constitutional considerations.

 However, it has already succeeded in provoking a vibrant debate on
family life
 among his citizens as well as attracting hordes of journalists to
Vastogirardi, known
 for its delicate Mozzarella cheese and little else.

 Since the village made international headlines, dozens of lonely
spinsters have
 written to the mayor inquiring about the availability of the village
bachelors, who
 have no plan to marry and have every intention of continuing meeting in
Bar
 Centrale to play cards and talk about football.

 Settled continually for 2,000 years in the Pennine hills of the Molise
region,
 Vastogirardi has seen its population plummet from 3,000 residents in
the 1960s to
 823 today.

 The village no longer has a local plumber or a carpenter. It used to
have a makeshift
 cinema, which has also shut down. So has the local fruit shop, with
villagers being
 forced to drive 30 km to buy groceries.

 This is a typical example of scores of dying villages in a nation that
features a birth
 rate of just 1.2 children per woman, the lowest in the world.

 In the aftermath of a rapid transition from a predominantly agrarian
society to an
 urban one, Italians no longer see children as an investment but as a
cost.

 According to research think tank Censis, over 20 per cent of Italian
couples are
 childless, up from 18.8 per cent at the end of the 1980s. They also
marry much later
 and, on average, women give birth to their first child at the age of
28, compared to
 25 two decades ago.

 Financial difficulties are often cited as explanations for the
unwillingness to bear
 children. Unlike France and Britain, the Italian State offers very
little in the way of
 tax incentives and subsidies to families.

 Economic factors do not explain, however, why couples in the more
affluent north
 have fewer children than in the high unemployment regions of the south.

 Sociologists instead point to Italy's culture of 'mammoni', which
describes the
 unwillingness of grownup children to leave their mothers.

 'It's not because you don't meet the right one, its purely a question
of laziness,' said
 Antonio Bisciotti, 29 and still single, as he downed a Campari at Bar
Centrale.

 'In Vastogirardi we like to remain single. If someone gets married, we
have one less
 card player, a real drama. We are afraid of tying the knot and losing
our autonomy
 because having a family is much harder than living with mama and papa.'

 His friend Fernando Di Ciocco, 29, says he would like to marry. But for
the moment,
 he prefers to share his parents' house with his two bachelor brothers,
aged 33 and
 35.

 'I am going to get married soon and have two children,' stepped in
Giuseppe Di
 Benedetto, a 40-year-old forest ranger who has been engaged to the same
woman
 for 15 years.

 'If only,' replied the mayor, his hands joined in prayer and his glance
raised towards
 the heavens.


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Re: [CTRL] People in America early

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

I'll have to dig out my Barry Fell books (*America B.C.*, etc.), which I do
not have readily available. If memory serves me, however, this is an example
of the kind of racist argument I mean (and I am not accusing Fell of racism
himself): the Welsh heroic tradition supposedly records the voyages of the
medieval prince Madoc from North Wales to North America. As some students of
Madoc interpret the story, Madoc landed on the Gulf Coast of Alabama and
worked his way inland with a band of settlers, along the way building a fort
"in archaic Welsh style" at Stone Mountain, Ga. They settled for a time in
Kentucky, according to this hypothesis, then for unknown reasons moved on to
the northwest, eventually intermarrying with and being absorbed by the
Mandan tribe of the Dakotas, who were supposed to be blue-eyed blonds. This
hypothesis was very popular during the Eighteenth Century, when virtually
all pre-Columbian earthworks in Eastern North America were attributed
variously to Egyptians, Romans, or Madoc's Welshmen, among many other
(non-Native American) peoples. One of the assignments Thomas Jefferson gave
to Lewis and Clark was to contact the Mandans and study their language, to
see how much Welsh vocabulary had survived. Other examples of this kind of
racially-oriented pseudo-archaeology include the speculation about the
"Celtic" or "Viking" origins of the Mystery Hill earthworks in New Hampshire
(which have been so extensively altered that any determination of their
origin is probably impossible); the Kensington Runestone, almost certainly a
fake; and mysterious stones with supposed "Punic" inscriptions on them
turned up by a farmer's plow in Oklahoma and adduced as evidence of
Carthaginian settlements in the New World. Virtually all of these
"discoveries" have been made in the context of efforts to "prove" that
Native Americans could not be the legitimate possessors of the land where
the artifacts were found, because (obviously white) settlers had gotten
there first.

With this said, I recognize full well that there is *much* evidence for
extensive pre-Columbian exploration and settlement by "non-Native
Americans." In fact, this can be expanded worldwide; our human ancestors
seem to have been inveterate roamers, forever wandering in search of
whatever they could find, always following the horizon. This has meant that
there is no such thing as a "pure" race, a "pure" culture, a "pure"
language...anywhere, anywhen. No one, not the Smithsonian, the Hopis, the
Maori, or the Dalai Lama, has anything approaching the truth about our
race's past. Discoveries reported just in the last year, such as "Woodhenge"
on the English North Sea coast, the "Miami Circle," and the
recently-revealed evidence for routine cannibalism among at least some
Neanderthal populations, have thrown a lot of accepted archaeological and
historical dogma into confusion. There are mysteries enough on this planet
to keep us busy until the turn of the Fourth Millennium without having to
invent new ones!

 -Original Message-
 From: Anon Ymous [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 9:25 AM
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  Re: [CTRL] People in America early

  -Caveat Lector-

  Even borderline researchers such as
   Barry Fell, for all their good intentions, often wind up using
 arguments
   which originated with white racists.

 Could you please give more info on this?

 tanx



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Re: [CTRL] Another possibility

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

This is what I'm starting to wonder. Stay tuned...

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 Maybe the Seattle nerve gas story is disinfo, part of of a psy-war op.



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[CTRL] TVA approved to make bomb material at commercial reactor

[Richard Sampson]

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http://www.oakridger.com/stories/120899/stt_1208990027.html

Story last updated at 12:29 p.m. on Wednesday, December 8, 1999

TVA approved to make bomb material at commercial reactor

by Duncan Mansfield
Associated Press

KNOXVILLE -- Tennessee Valley Authority directors today approved a contract
to  make a key component for nuclear bombs, marking the first time in U.S.
history that a  commercial reactor will be used to produce the material.

The board voted 3-0 for the contract to produce tritium for the U.S. Energy
Department  at its Watts Bar plant in Spring City, about 55 miles southwest
of Knoxville.

The vote came after the board heard from a half-dozen opponents who said it
is wrong  for the U.S. government to make the material as it seeks
nonproliferation agreements to cut  the world's nuclear weapons stockpile.

"I'm asking you in the name of God to say no to this madness," said Erik
Johnson, a Presbyterian minister from Maryville.

Ralph Hutchison of the Oak Ridge Environmental Peace Alliance said TVA was
sending  the wrong message to the rest of the world.

"They're watching what we do, not listening to what we say," he said.

Tritium is a hydrogen isotope that enhances the explosive power of nuclear
warheads.  Last year, the U.S. House approved legislation that would have
blocked the use of a  commercial reactor to make tritium, but the measure
failed in the Senate.

No other country is known to be using a commercial reactor to make nuclear
bomb  material. However, an article in Jane's Intelligence Review last year
suggested India obtained  tritium for its nuclear tests from a commercial
reactor.

Jack Bailey, a TVA vice president for engineering who headed contract
negotiations,  said the agency relied heavily on a report issued in July
1998 that concluded "there were no international laws or agreements that
would prohibit the production of tritium."

The report was written by officials with the Department of Defense, White
House and  other federal agencies and offices.

TVA, the nation's largest public power producer, was picked by the Energy
Department  last December to be the U.S. government's new source for
tritium. For the last year, officials  with the two agencies worked on a
contract.

DOE officials say tritium isn't controlled by international nonproliferation
agreements because it is not a so-called "fissile material" -- plutonium and
highly enriched uranium  -- that could produce an explosion on its own.

"The contract to produce tritium is essential to the Department of Energy's
stockpile stewardship program to maintain the safety and the reliability of
the U.S. nuclear  weapons deterrent," DOE spokesman Matthew Donoghue said
Tuesday.

"It is essential for the Department of Energy in fulfilling its national
security mission."

In seeking the contract for tritium production, TVA wanted the Energy
Department to  help it complete the utility's unfinished Bellefonte nuclear
station in north Alabama and use it  to make the material, then split the
profits from electric sales. DOE rejected the proposal  as too expensive.

DOE accepted TVA's backup proposal to use its operating Watts Bar plant as
the  primary tritium source and the Sequoyah station near Chattanooga as an
alternate.

TVA already has conducted a successful tritium test production run at Watts
Bar.

Tritium is a fast-decaying element. DOE hasn't produced any new tritium
since it closed  its production reactors at the Savannah River Site in South
Carolina in 1988. It has been  recycling tritium out of retired weapons
since then.

DOE estimates it will need new tritium by 2005, meaning the first
tritium-producing  rods would need to go into a TVA reactor by 2003.

Under terms of the contract, the Energy Department will pay TVA up to $9.9
million  per year to make tritium. The contract could begin as soon as 2003
and run until 2035, when  Watts Bar is scheduled to close.

The plan is for the tritium to be extracted at Savannah River.


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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Black Bloc and obsessive analysis

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

In Gandhian nonviolence, which is the form I hesitatingly try to follow,
this is NOT a valid distinction. Violence is violence, no matter what or who
the target is. We need to be working toward a society where even the thought
of violence simply doesn't enter into the picture. The present society is
built on a foundation of human bodies and souls, as surely as if they had
been buried beneath the walls of the United States Capitol. The Declaration
of Independence proclaims our inalienable right to Life, Liberty, and the
Pursuit of Happiness. Nowhere does it say that those rights include the
right to murder anyone who gets in your way; nowhere does it say that
trashing your opponent's means of livelihood is all right; in fact, it goes
on to accuse George III of doing just that against the people of the
American colonies. Revolutionary societies never come about because of
revolutionary wars. In every case, the real change has come about BEFORE the
war; revolutionary wars are fought to establish the legitimacy of
revolutions, not to create the revolutions themselves. And there are better,
more humane, more SANE ways of establishing the legitimacy of revolutionary
societies than by violence.

 -Original Message-
 From: nessie [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 1:59 AM
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Black Bloc and obsessive analysis

  -Caveat Lector-

  And violence can have no part in creating such a society.

 Is it valid to distinguish between vandalism and assault?



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Re: [CTRL] People in America early

[Terry Trainor]

 -Caveat Lector-

Seemed to me that Fell had inscriptions backing up just about everything he
said, including names of visitors in several languages, most common being
Ogom.  At least my copy of America BC did.  Granted, I have a later edition
with LOTS of photographs.  There is lots of stuff on the Epigraphic web
site, too, pointing in the same direction.

I think it is possible to go too far the OTHER direction, and in a fervor of
desire to give the AmInd's a glorious past, ignore the evidence that it was
visitors here that built these curiosities.

AmPat

 -Original Message-
 From: Tatman, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 12:46 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] People in America early


  -Caveat Lector-

 I'll have to dig out my Barry Fell books (*America B.C.*,
 etc.), which I do
 not have readily available. If memory serves me, however,
 this is an example
 of the kind of racist argument I mean (and I am not accusing
 Fell of racism
 himself): the Welsh heroic tradition supposedly records the
 voyages of the
 medieval prince Madoc from North Wales to North America. As
 some students of
 Madoc interpret the story, Madoc landed on the Gulf Coast of
 Alabama and
 worked his way inland with a band of settlers, along the way
 building a fort
 "in archaic Welsh style" at Stone Mountain, Ga. They settled
 for a time in
 Kentucky, according to this hypothesis, then for unknown
 reasons moved on to
 the northwest, eventually intermarrying with and being absorbed by the
 Mandan tribe of the Dakotas, who were supposed to be
 blue-eyed blonds. This
 hypothesis was very popular during the Eighteenth Century,
 when virtually
 all pre-Columbian earthworks in Eastern North America were attributed
 variously to Egyptians, Romans, or Madoc's Welshmen, among many other
 (non-Native American) peoples. One of the assignments Thomas
 Jefferson gave
 to Lewis and Clark was to contact the Mandans and study their
 language, to
 see how much Welsh vocabulary had survived. Other examples of
 this kind of
 racially-oriented pseudo-archaeology include the speculation about the
 "Celtic" or "Viking" origins of the Mystery Hill earthworks
 in New Hampshire
 (which have been so extensively altered that any
 determination of their
 origin is probably impossible); the Kensington Runestone,
 almost certainly a
 fake; and mysterious stones with supposed "Punic" inscriptions on them
 turned up by a farmer's plow in Oklahoma and adduced as evidence of
 Carthaginian settlements in the New World. Virtually all of these
 "discoveries" have been made in the context of efforts to "prove" that
 Native Americans could not be the legitimate possessors of
 the land where
 the artifacts were found, because (obviously white) settlers
 had gotten
 there first.

 With this said, I recognize full well that there is *much*
 evidence for
 extensive pre-Columbian exploration and settlement by "non-Native
 Americans." In fact, this can be expanded worldwide; our
 human ancestors
 seem to have been inveterate roamers, forever wandering in search of
 whatever they could find, always following the horizon. This
 has meant that
 there is no such thing as a "pure" race, a "pure" culture, a "pure"
 language...anywhere, anywhen. No one, not the Smithsonian,
 the Hopis, the
 Maori, or the Dalai Lama, has anything approaching the truth about our
 race's past. Discoveries reported just in the last year, such
 as "Woodhenge"
 on the English North Sea coast, the "Miami Circle," and the
 recently-revealed evidence for routine cannibalism among at least some
 Neanderthal populations, have thrown a lot of accepted
 archaeological and
 historical dogma into confusion. There are mysteries enough
 on this planet
 to keep us busy until the turn of the Fourth Millennium
 without having to
 invent new ones!

  -Original Message-
  From: Anon Ymous [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 9:25 AM
  To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject:  Re: [CTRL] People in America early
 
   -Caveat Lector-
 
   Even borderline researchers such as
Barry Fell, for all their good intentions, often wind up using
  arguments
which originated with white racists.
 
  Could you please give more info on this?
 
  tanx
 
 

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 being said, CTRL
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[CTRL] creator of Melissa virus enters plea

[Eagle 1]

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/virus_melissa991209.html

By Jeffrey GoldThe Associated 
PressN E W A R K, 
 N.J.,  Dec. 9 — A computer programmer 
admitted today he created and distributed the “Melissa” virus that he 
acknowledged caused millions of dollars of damage by disrupting e-mail systems 
worldwide.  David L. Smith 
pleaded guilty to a state charge of computer theft and was expected to plead 
guilty in federal court in Newark later today.  The 
virus, believed to be named for a topless dancer Smith knew when he lived in 
Florida, wreaked havoc at the end of March. 
Claims Did Not 
Anticipate Effects“I did not expect or anticipate the amount of 
damage that took place,” Smith read from a statement after answering a series of 
questions from his lawyer. Smith said he believed any damage would be minor. 
 Smith, 31, is believed to be among the first people 
ever prosecuted for creating a computer virus. He was arrested April 1 at his 
brother’s home in nearby Eatontown in Monmouth County and freed on $100,000 bail 
the next day.  Smith said he created the virus on 
computers in his Aberdeen apartment and used a stolen screen name, “Skyroket,” 
and password to get into America Online. In the online service’s alt.sex 
newsgroup, he posted a file called “list.zip,” a listing of adult web sites and 
passwords, which contained the virus. 
Downloading was 
ExpectedAsked by his lawyer, Edward F. Borden Jr., if that was 
designed to entice people to download the file, Smith said, “Yes.” 
 “Melissa” struck thousands of e-mail systems on 
March 26, disguised as an “important message” from a friend or colleague, and 
spread around the world like an electronic chain letter. 
 Melissa was designed to lower security settings on 
computers with Microsoft Word 97 and Microsoft Word 2000, making them vulnerable 
to other viruses so that any document created would be infected. It also was 
designed to send infected mail to the first 50 names in a computer user’s 
address book through the Microsoft Outlook e-mail program. 
 Under his plea bargain, Smith could face five to 10 
years on the state charge and up to five years in prison on a federal charge. 
Sentencing for the state charge was tentatively set for Feb. 18.  
Copyright 1999 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. 

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[CTRL] newphysics math

[Dave]

Title: 



see also
http://xxx.lanl.gov/ 
Dave Hartleyhttp://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave


  
  
Author 
Title 
  
ET Lèfevre 
Scale 
  Relativity 

  
Eduardo Valencia 
Faster 
  Than Light Physics 

  
Joshua Gulick 
The Boundaries of 
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Eric Lerner 
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Paul Marmet 
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Faster than a 
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David Pratt 
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James R. Van Dyke. 
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Alexander Abian. I'm saddened to report that Alexander 
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Ellis D. Cooper, Ph.D 
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??? 
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Name removed at request of author 
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T Riehle 
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Re: [CTRL] [apfn] Las Vegas Emeergency Rooms Full Over Crowed!

[lloyd]

 -Caveat Lector-

..

Forwarded from the A-albionic Research [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
  http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.htmlFrom: APFN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: APFN ONELIST [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [apfn] Las Vegas Emeergency Rooms Full  Over Crowed!
Date: Saturday, December 04, 1999 11:51 AM

ubject:* * Las Vegas Emergency Rooms Full  Over Crowed! * *
   Date:Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:27:42 -0600
From:  "Karolyn Martin" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ken--instead of the old tic-tac-toe routine --they are now
making puffy, fat, clouds in a crystal-clear blue sky. Suddenly
covered with billowy clouds.
The next day, it rains here cats and dogs.
They have managed to kill all the plants, flowers, grasshoppers
and birds are dropping their eggs on the cement floor of my
garage. --Everyone has symptoms of the flu here and dragging
around with clay in their shoes.
I heard the other day they can now put the entire planet to
sleep --anytime they want to do their hocus pocus.  We must
shut them down before they turn all of us off.
KM


Subject:   Re: Las Vegas Emergency Rooms Full  Over Crowed!
 Date:   4 Dec 1999 07:55:48 -0800
From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I have actual photos of the same thing over Phoenix a month
and a half ago.  4 days later everyone was sick including myself,
I am just now getting over it.

508th Regiment is recruiting throughout the West.
If you know anyone interested send em this way,
I have a unique low infiltration plan that utilizes
existing relationships and all decisions are made
at that level.

Pass this on, time is running out.  The battle has continued
in Seattle but low coverage, it will spread when services
breakdown in January.  So you may as well get ready now
(if you have not already).  Your best approach to this
is not alone, but in small organized groups.

Randy
508th Regiment (Mountain)
==
wolfeyes wrote:

 From: wolfeyes [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Yeah, but isn't this the major beginning of flu season anyway?  And
 hasn't it been published everywhere that this flu season may be more
 serious because of a Hong Kong type virus spreading around that is not
 effected by the usual Typa A and B flu shot?  Get a grip, everyone.

 You know, all the Chicken Littles ran around last year at this time
 yelling "The chemtrails are falling, the chemtrails are falling!" and
 were citing the same thing as evidence when everyone should have known
 it was just the same old flu season we all endure.  I'll never figure
 out why so many people get such a thrill out of these false alarms when
 there are so many REAL threats we need to deal with.

 Carl F. Worden
 Liaison  Intelligence Officer
 Southern Oregon Militia

 APFN wrote:

  From: APFN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Just reported on Chnl 8 TV news tonight states that every
  emergency room in Las Vegas are full and over crowed.
  (This was about a 1 minutes to 1.30 minutes report)
  http://www.klas-tv.com/spectre-pub/1-0/home.htm
 
  I have witnessed along with many other ChemTrails over
  Las Vegas for the last month. Many others have also
  witnessed this. I myself was very very Ill for over three
  weeks.  I took photo's but haven't had the funds to
  develop and post.
 
  I am sure this story will be in the Las Vegas papers
  tomorrow... Hah! Las Vegas News
  http://www.lvrj.com/lvrj_home/
 
  The news said "do not call 911 unless you are very very
  sick..."  They closed, saying this is normal for this area
  whenever the weather turns cold. Today hight 54, todays
  low 42, hight winds gusting 20 to 30 MPH.
 
  Las Vegas Weather
  http://www.weatherpoint.com/lasvegas/
 
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Re: [CTRL] Calories Burned Calculator

[Jeff Russo]

 -Caveat Lector-

This is a conspiracy topic? Perhaps if we compare "Calories burned per hour of
pepper spraying and beating nonviolent protesters" vs. "Calories burned per
hour looting, breaking glass, and spray-painting facilities of global
corporations."

--- "Hilary A. Thomas" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  -Caveat Lector-

 Calories Burned Calculator

 http://www.drkoop.com/tools/calculator/bmi.asp

 Body Mass Index Calculator

 http://www.drkoop.com/tools/calculator/bmi.asp



=
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 cynicism by those who have not got it."
-- George Bernard Shaw
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Re: [CTRL] Calories Burned Calculator

[Terry Trainor]

 -Caveat Lector-

Perhaps it is a conspiracy to starve the populace to death.  I just checked
my body-fat ratio on this thing, and as I entered lower and lower weights, I
discovered that a 6' man is not considered underweight until he weighs LESS
than
133 pounds.  POW's have starved to death at that kind of weight/height
ratio.

AmPat

 -Original Message-
 From: Jeff Russo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 1:57 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Calories Burned Calculator


  -Caveat Lector-

 This is a conspiracy topic? Perhaps if we compare "Calories
 burned per hour of
 pepper spraying and beating nonviolent protesters" vs.
 "Calories burned per
 hour looting, breaking glass, and spray-painting facilities of global
 corporations."

 --- "Hilary A. Thomas" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   -Caveat Lector-
 
  Calories Burned Calculator
 
  http://www.drkoop.com/tools/calculator/bmi.asp
 
  Body Mass Index Calculator
 
  http://www.drkoop.com/tools/calculator/bmi.asp
 


 =
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[CTRL] Scientists create zero gravity on Earth

[earthman]

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From: "Jonah Morgan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

(Mainichi Shimbun)

Image at: http://www.mainichi.co.jp/english/news/news01.html

Scientists create zero gravity on Earth

By Hidenori Kujiraoka
Mainichi Shimbun


Mainichi Shimbun
Glass becomes completely spherical in an anti-gravity device developed by a
research team from Tohoku University and a government research institute in
Osaka Prefecture.

 A joint governmental research team has developed a device that can create
an artificial gravity-free state using strong magnets, researchers said
Wednesday.
The experimental device was developed jointly by Tohoku University's
research institute on metal materials in Sendai and the Government
Industrial Research Institute, Osaka, an affiliate of the Ministry of
International Trade and Industry, in Ikeda, Osaka Prefecture.

The device is expected to enable experiments in a weightless state, now
possible only in space, to be conducted on Earth.

Specifically, researchers say they hope that the device can be used to
develop new materials, noting that the structure of matter often changes
when it hardens after being melted in a state of weightlessness.

Furthermore, if substances are melted while floating in a gravity-free
state, they become perfectly spherical and do not mix with impurities stuck
to the inner wall of the container nor harden when the temperature is
lowered beyond their melting points.

Therefore, such experiments in a gravity-free state are expected to lead to
the production of glass of high purity and the development of new materials.
Such experiments are often conducted on space-shuttle missions. However,
space experiments are very expensive and can only be conducted by
astronauts.

According to the research team, the experimental device comprises a
superconducting magnet 400,000 times as powerful as the Earth's magnetism
and a carbon dioxide (CO2) laser.

In developing the device, the team worked with a law stating that so-called
diamagnetic substances (such as glass, water and most organic compounds), if
placed in a magnetic field, become slightly magnetized and display repulsion
force in the opposite direction to the magnetic field.

The device places a substance in a magnetic field so strong that the
substance's repulsion force against the field is equal to natural gravity,
thereby creating a state of zero gravity. The CO2 laser is used to heat the
floating substance above 1,000 degrees Celsius and melt it to make it
perfectly spherical.


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Re: [CTRL] Scientists create zero gravity on Earth

[Terry Trainor]

 -Caveat Lector-

Uh huh!  Can't wait to get one of these, mount it to my belt,
and attain my proper BMI according to Koop.

 -Original Message-
 From: earthman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 2:45 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [CTRL] Scientists create zero gravity on Earth


  -Caveat Lector-

 From: "Jonah Morgan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 (Mainichi Shimbun)

 Image at: http://www.mainichi.co.jp/english/news/news01.html

 Scientists create zero gravity on Earth

 By Hidenori Kujiraoka
 Mainichi Shimbun


 Mainichi Shimbun
 Glass becomes completely spherical in an anti-gravity device
 developed by a
 research team from Tohoku University and a government
 research institute in
 Osaka Prefecture.

  A joint governmental research team has developed a device
 that can create
 an artificial gravity-free state using strong magnets,
 researchers said
 Wednesday.
 The experimental device was developed jointly by Tohoku University's
 research institute on metal materials in Sendai and the Government
 Industrial Research Institute, Osaka, an affiliate of the Ministry of
 International Trade and Industry, in Ikeda, Osaka Prefecture.

 The device is expected to enable experiments in a weightless
 state, now
 possible only in space, to be conducted on Earth.

 Specifically, researchers say they hope that the device can be used to
 develop new materials, noting that the structure of matter
 often changes
 when it hardens after being melted in a state of weightlessness.

 Furthermore, if substances are melted while floating in a gravity-free
 state, they become perfectly spherical and do not mix with
 impurities stuck
 to the inner wall of the container nor harden when the temperature is
 lowered beyond their melting points.

 Therefore, such experiments in a gravity-free state are
 expected to lead to
 the production of glass of high purity and the development of
 new materials.
 Such experiments are often conducted on space-shuttle
 missions. However,
 space experiments are very expensive and can only be conducted by
 astronauts.

 According to the research team, the experimental device comprises a
 superconducting magnet 400,000 times as powerful as the
 Earth's magnetism
 and a carbon dioxide (CO2) laser.

 In developing the device, the team worked with a law stating
 that so-called
 diamagnetic substances (such as glass, water and most organic
 compounds), if
 placed in a magnetic field, become slightly magnetized and
 display repulsion
 force in the opposite direction to the magnetic field.

 The device places a substance in a magnetic field so strong that the
 substance's repulsion force against the field is equal to
 natural gravity,
 thereby creating a state of zero gravity. The CO2 laser is
 used to heat the
 floating substance above 1,000 degrees Celsius and melt it to make it
 perfectly spherical.


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[CTRL] FW: Attend the Largest Rally Against the GE Foods

[Dave]

 -Caveat Lector-

Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave

ACTION ALERT: CIRCULATE WIDELY

LAST WEEK SEATTLE……..THIS WEEK OAKLAND

Attend the largest rally against genetically engineered (GE) foods in
the U.S. to date!

This Monday in Oakland, the FDA is holding a public meeting to get
feedback on their policies related to GE foods.Let the FDA know that the
American public demands GE foods be thoroughly tested and labeled before
they reach supermarket shelves.

Currently, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) requires no
pre-market testing or labeling of genetically engineered food.
Corporations developing GE foods are merely encouraged to consult with
the FDA if they think there may be any health related risks. Yet every
day whether we know it or not, most of us eat foods containing
genetically engineered ingredients.

The rally will include speakers, street theatre and more

When:   Monday, December 13, 1999 at 12 noon

Where:  Oakland Federal Office Building, 1301 Clay St @ 13th St.
Oakland, CA.  (Oakland City Ctr/12th St. Bart Station)

What to Bring:  Banners, signs, friends, costumes and information

We need volunteers to help us spread the word by passing out leaflets,
making phone calls and helping us to organize the day of the event.  To
get involved now please call Simon Harris at (415) 981-6205 x 324 or by
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Join the fight against hunger. For more information contact
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[CTRL] Fwd: Bill Cooper on The Lucifer Project

[Kris Millegan]

Bill Cooper ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes

 Robalini;


For a while I thought you were on the level but it seems that I was wrong.

In your latest column you have proven to be just another propaganda driven

yellow journalist liar. In attempting to discredit me you discredit

yourself. And why did you do it if you are not serving the agenda of the

enemies of Freedom?


I call your attention to the 4th unnumbered page from the beginning of my

book "Behold A Pale Horse", beginning at the second sentence on that page:


"It is possible that one or more conclusions may be wrong. the purpose of

this book is to convince you (the reader) that something is terribly wrong.

It is my hope that this work will inspire you to begin an earnest search for

the truth. Your conclusions may be different but together maybe we can build

a better world."


I call your attention to page 196 under the heading "Perspective" in "Behold

A Pale Horse" read the 4th and 5th sentence than skip to begin again at the

3rd from the bottom of that paragraph:


"Most of this knowledge comes directly from, or is a result of my own

research into the TOP SECRET / MAJIC material which I saw and read between

the years 1970 and 1973 as a member of the Intelligence Briefing Team of the

Commander in Chief of the Pacific Fleet. Since some of this information was

derived from sources that I cannot divulge for obvious reasons, and from

published sources which I cannot vouch for, this chapter must be termed a

hypothesis."


"The BULK of this I believe to be true IF the material that I viewed in the

Navy is authentic. As for the rest, I do not know, and that is why this

paper must be termed a HYPOTHESIS."


That should be very clear to anyone who has the power to read and understand

the English language, but especially to those few who have learned to use

their brains.


But just in case you find the above a little too difficult I direct your

attention to the following:


Page #234 "Behold A Pale Horse", paragraph numbered (5):


"There is always the possibility that I was used, that the whole alien

scenario is the greatest hoax in history designed to create an alien enemy

from outer space in order to expedite the formation of a one-world

government. I have found evidence that this could be true. I have included

that evidence in the Appendix. I advise you to consider this scenario as

being probable."


Page #235 "Behold A Pale Horse", last paragraph:


"If the documentation that I viewed while I was in Naval Intelligence is

true, then what you have just read is probably closer to the truth than

anything ever written. If extraterrestrials are a hoax, then what you just

read is exactly what the Illuminati wants you to believe."


My book was actually published a month early in December of 1990 instead of

the scheduled publication date of January of 1991. During 1991 I determined

that I had been intentionally fed a lot of bad information while in the Navy

so that I would tell it to the world... I suspected that all along and said

so at every opportunity.


In 1991 I clearly announced that I believe that the entire alien question,

the Apollo Space Program, and NASA are the greatest hoaxes in human history.

I have been extremely clear on that subject since 1991 and have done

probably 50 or 60 radio broadcasts on that subject. It is clearly on the

record.


The Gallileo scenario is clearly a deception to manipulate Bible believers

into an "end time" mindset for the Millenium... and I have also stated that

on may occassions.


Any journalist writing anything about anyone owes that person an interview

to make sure that what the journalist intends to write is indeed correct.

You gave me no such consideration. I now consider you to be just another in

a long line of liars who twist and spin anything and everything in order to

promote the agenda of the new world odor.


A lot of people claim to have read my book but I have yet to find even one

person who has REALLY read it much less understood it. But what the

hell... this is the video generation of mind controlled, ignorant, stupid,

and apathetic sheople who just bleat their way through fantasyland. Sheople

hoping that some benevolent Shepard will come along and rescue them,

forgetting all the while that it is the shepard that shears them, then

trucks them to the slaughter house, where the Judas Goat joyfully leads them

to their demise.


"Behold A Pale Horse" is a warning not a prophecy and I am not a prophet. It

was the vicious attacks upon me and the book that eventually led me to the

truth. The truth that has destroyed the uFOOLogy movement and that has

totally screwed the timetable of the new world odor... and that is why

Clinton labeled me, "The most dangerous radio host in America", the greatest

compliment for which I could ever hope.


Eat your heart out 

Dear Mr. Cooper,

To begin with, let me state that I will forward your comments to all

[CTRL] [BRIGADE] China: Chamber Threatens Congress

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Dear Brigade,

Have you wondered what our U.S. Chamber of Commerce has been up to
lately? - see below.

GO BRIGADE GO!
Linda

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From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date sent:  Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:01:29 EST
Subject:Chamber Threatens Congress

Does anyone else get a sick feeling in the stomach when business groups
threaten Congreesmen with "peril" if they don't vote a benefit for a foreign
country? (see below) Especially when the foreign country in question has a
bloody dictatorship that is busily arming itself to confront this country.
And,
when that military buildup is being aided greatly by the capital and
technology provided by American corporationssome of which belong to
Tom Donahue's group.

Remember, it was Donahue who was "honored" to invite Fidel Castro to a
Chamber of Commerce function in Seattle. Castro couldn't make it because
of talk in the media of his possible arrest (there's no statute of limitation
on
mass murdernot that Donahue cares about Fidel's crimes) (or Beijing's).

What does Donahue mean by election year peril? The American voter is not
going to be upset because the Beijing regime didn't get a break. What he
means is the Chamber won't give money to Members who think more about
the national interest than the corporate interest. It's a proclamation of
corruption, and that makes my blood boil.

William Hawkins, USBIC

--

No. 236 Thursday December
9, 1999Page A-27 ISSN 1523-567X

Regulation, Law  Economics

International Trade
U.S. Business Vows 'Helluva Fight' To Pass Permanent NTR for China

The head of the largest business group in the United States threatened
retaliatory action at the polls in the 2000 congressional elections for
those who do not vote to extend permanent normal trade relations to China
next year.

Tom Donohue, chief executive officer of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, said
Dec. 8 American business would work "district by district" to persuade
swing voters in 66 congressional districts to support permanent NTR.

"This is not a free vote. You make this vote at your own peril," Donohue
told reporters at the headquarters of the nation's largest business group.

The remarks came shortly before President Bill Clinton admitted there
would be bumpy road to permanently pass NTR with China, but vowed to fight
to the bitter end to make sure Washington and Beijing enjoy the full
benefits of the communist country's prospective accession to the World
Trade Organization.

"I'm going to make an all-out effort to pass it," Clinton told reporters
at his final formal press conference for 1999 to emphasize his foreign
policy achievements (see related story in this section).

"I think it is plainly in America's interest. We gave up nothing in terms
of market access to get this," Clinton told reporters in the Dean Acheson
room of the State Department. "I think having China in a rule-based system
for the international economy is profoundly important, and I think it
would be a terrible mistake not to do it."

Waivers Not Enough

The United States and China Nov. 15 reached a bilateral agreement that
paves the way for the Asian nation to join the 135-member WTO.

Congress does not directly approve China's entry into the WTO, but
extension of unconditional most favored nation status, the former name of
NTR, is a prerequisite for countries to enjoy reciprocal benefits of the
WTO membership.

The Jackson-Vanik provision of a 1974 trade law requires a waiver of
freedom of emigration requirements for nonmarket economies before NTR can
be extended. Congress can make exceptions to Jackson-Vanik after annual
review of American trade policy, and China has never been denied an
exception since the law's inception.

But the administration says the United States would not benefit from the
concessions made by the Chinese under the agreement unless the United
States extends permanent NTR, because a waiver is insufficient and
contrary to WTO rules.

Congress Wants Leverage

Opponents of the trade deal with China feel emboldened by the mass
protests by thousands of union, environmental, and human rights activists
last week in Seattle, where trade ministers from the WTO failed to launch
a new round of trade talks. The protesters have vowed to keep the annual
debate as a means to keep China's human rights record visible.

"The annual debate and the possibility of MFN [sic] revocation are
arguably the most important leverage the United States still has to
influence the human rights situation in China," said Rep. Chris Smith,
(R-N.J.), the chairman of the House International Relations Subcommittee
on International Operations and Human Rights.

"Surrendering that leverage to Beijing would send exactly the wrong
message at the wrong time," Smith said Dec. 8 at a hearing he convened to
deliberate China's record on 

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The secretary of the Air Force has designated AFPN 992212: "People First --
Transition Assistance Program: What does it mean to you?," a must run for
base news papers in the next available issue.

992212.  People First -- Transition Assistance Program: What does it mean to
you?

WASHINGTON (AFPN) -- Service members and their spouses can make a successful
transition back to civilian life through the Transition Assistance Program.

The program provides pre-separation counseling services and discusses such
benefits as relocation assistance, financial counseling, health and life
insurance options, education benefits and career change counseling.

TAP also offers a three-day employment assistance workshop which helps
departing members acquire the skills needed to succeed in today's labor
market.

"This workshop gives departing service members an opportunity to meet
potential employers and practice their interviewing skills," an Air Force
official said.  "In addition, they'll receive a detailed briefing on their
VA benefits to include employment specifics for disabled veterans."

Members should start the counseling and workshop processes at least six
months prior to separation.

The installation Family Support Center, which administers TAP, is equipped
with the latest computers, software packages, and peripheral equipment to
facilitate resume preparation and job hunting.  Hard copies of local job
postings are also maintained, as are the listings of other help agencies
such as placement services, recruiters, etc.   An up-to-date library of
reference books and videos on all job search subjects is an integral part of
this center.

"The bottom line here is that any job seeker should be able to conduct a job
search and develop job leads that will ultimately result in an interview and
hopefully a dream job," the official said.

TAP provides classes on resume writing, interviewing skills, self and skills
assessment, and job search strategies.  These classes are offered on a
monthly basis and will assist members in learning to market themselves more
effectively and with a resume that focuses on their talents, skills, and
abilities.

To provide feedback on articles or suggest future topics of interests,
please email People First at [EMAIL PROTECTED]


992206.  Fusion Center dress rehearsal fine tunes Y2K readiness

by Staff Sgt. Beverly Isik
Standard Systems Group Public Affairs

MAXWELL AIR FORCE BASE - GUNTER ANNEX, Ala. (AFPN) -- While Santa's been
busy making his list and checking it twice, controllers in the Air Force
Fusion Center were checking a few lists of their own.

During their final Y2K dress rehearsal Dec. 7, controllers found that
policies and procedures they've been practicing for months are working
better than ever.

"Our troops have trained extensively on Air Force Y2K consequence management
procedures," said Maj. Kenneth Hirlinger, Fusion Center officer of the
watch.  "This resulted in the exercise incident entries to be processed on
average 200 percent faster than previous exercises."

The Air Force Y2K Consequence Management Operational Utility Evaluation III
included participants from the Air Force Y2K Office, all major commands, Air
Force Information Warfare Center and the Air Force Operational Test and
Evaluation Center.

The first OUE concentrated specifically on Fusion Center processes.  This
was expanded during OUE II to include complete end-to-end testing of the Air
Force Consequence Management Plan with limited external organization
participation.

The most recent exercise tested the Air Force's ability to identify,
monitor, analyze and report early warning indicators that might forecast
potential Air Force-wide problems before they occur.  "This effort provides
assurance that the Air Force can reduce mission impact by spreading the word
about known Y2K failures," Hirlinger said.

Fusion Center controllers were also tested on how quickly they identified
and responded to reported incidents; how efficiently they provided rapid
notification to Air Force and Department of Defense leadership of
Y2K-related failures; and their capability to facilitate expeditious
resumption of normal operations.

Eighteen scenarios during the Y2K test generated 104 incidents reported to
the Fusion Center from the various test participants.  While some incidents
were reported by telephone, many were introduced via electronic means such
as the Secret Internet Protocol Router Network, e-mail and AUTODIN.

During this 10-hour dry run, representatives from various AF organizations
had the opportunity to use classified and unclassified communication
procedures to report incidents to the Fusion Center.

It was also the first complete evaluation of how the Fusion Center and the
Air Force will handle information warfare attacks that may occur during the
end-of-year rollover, according to Hirlinger, whose primary mission is 

[CTRL] About HP - Company Facts

[piper]

happened on this page and took a good look at
what they make - do they also dabble in food irratiation
as well as microwave?
and we are worried about Micro Soft and windows

http://www.hp.com/abouthp/company_facts/index.html#Facts
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Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you
will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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Facts at a Glance 
Visit CEO, Carly Fiorina
About Agilent
  Technologies
Corporate Organization Chart
HP's Corporate Rankings
  
Financial Snapshot
  
HP Products and Services Leadership
  Rankings: 
  Computer Products
  Enterprise Computing
  Inkjet Imaging Solutions
  LaserJet Imaging Systems
  Chemical Analysis Group 
  Medical Products Group
  Semiconductor Products Group
  Test and Measurement:
  Automated Test Group
  Communications Solutions Group
  Electronic Solutions Group
  
  
  Facts at a Glance
  
Founded in 1939 (Find out about the HP
  garage, the company's first manufacturing site.)
Corporate headquarters in Palo Alto, Calif.
President and Chief Executive Officer -- Carleton
  S. Fiorina
Chairman of the Board -- Lewis
  E. Platt
123,000 employees worldwide
600 sales and support offices and distributorships worldwide in more
  than 120 countries; 104 divisions worldwide
  
  
  HP's Corporate Rankings
  
#2 Most Admired Computers/Office Equipment Company in America -- Fortune
  (March 1, 1999)
#2 U.S.-based Computers/Office Equipment Company – Fortune 500
  (April 12, 1999)
#3 Most Admired Company in Asia -- Asian Business (May 1, 1998)
#10 Best Company to Work For in America-- Fortune (Jan. 11,
  1999)
#13 Fortune 500 list of U.S. industrial and service corporations (April
  12, 1999)
#26 Forbes 500 composite ranking of U.S. public companies (April
  19, 1999)
#30 Employer among the Fortune 500 U.S. industrial and service
  corporations (based on number of employees) (April 12, 1999)
#42 BusinessWeek Global 1000 (July 13, 1998)
#45 Most Admired Company in America -- Fortune (March 1, 1999)
#47 Fortune Global 500 list of corporations (Aug. 27, 1998)
  
  
  
  Financial Snapshot
  
  Results at a Glance
  Net revenue
  

  

  
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20.3 billion
  
  
1994

25.0 billion
  
  
1995

31.5 billion
  
  
1996

38.4 billion
  
  
1997

42.9 billion
  
  
1998

47.1 billion
  

  
  

  
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Story last updated at 12:29 p.m. on Wednesday, December 8, 1999

TVA approved to make bomb material at commercial reactor

by Duncan Mansfield
Associated Press

KNOXVILLE -- Tennessee Valley Authority directors today approved a contract
to  make a key component for nuclear bombs, marking the first time in U.S.
history that a  commercial reactor will be used to produce the material.

The board voted 3-0 for the contract to produce tritium for the U.S. Energy
Department  at its Watts Bar plant in Spring City, about 55 miles southwest
of Knoxville.

The vote came after the board heard from a half-dozen opponents who said it
is wrong  for the U.S. government to make the material as it seeks
nonproliferation agreements to cut  the world's nuclear weapons stockpile.

"I'm asking you in the name of God to say no to this madness," said Erik
Johnson, a Presbyterian minister from Maryville.

Ralph Hutchison of the Oak Ridge Environmental Peace Alliance said TVA was
sending  the wrong message to the rest of the world.

"They're watching what we do, not listening to what we say," he said.

Tritium is a hydrogen isotope that enhances the explosive power of nuclear
warheads.  Last year, the U.S. House approved legislation that would have
blocked the use of a  commercial reactor to make tritium, but the measure
failed in the Senate.

No other country is known to be using a commercial reactor to make nuclear
bomb  material. However, an article in Jane's Intelligence Review last year
suggested India obtained  tritium for its nuclear tests from a commercial
reactor.

Jack Bailey, a TVA vice president for engineering who headed contract
negotiations,  said the agency relied heavily on a report issued in July
1998 that concluded "there were no international laws or agreements that
would prohibit the production of tritium."

The report was written by officials with the Department of Defense, White
House and  other federal agencies and offices.

TVA, the nation's largest public power producer, was picked by the Energy
Department  last December to be the U.S. government's new source for
tritium. For the last year, officials  with the two agencies worked on a
contract.

DOE officials say tritium isn't controlled by international nonproliferation
agreements because it is not a so-called "fissile material" -- plutonium and
highly enriched uranium  -- that could produce an explosion on its own.

"The contract to produce tritium is essential to the Department of Energy's
stockpile stewardship program to maintain the safety and the reliability of
the U.S. nuclear  weapons deterrent," DOE spokesman Matthew Donoghue said
Tuesday.

"It is essential for the Department of Energy in fulfilling its national
security mission."

In seeking the contract for tritium production, TVA wanted the Energy
Department to  help it complete the utility's unfinished Bellefonte nuclear
station in north Alabama and use it  to make the material, then split the
profits from electric sales. DOE rejected the proposal  as too expensive.

DOE accepted TVA's backup proposal to use its operating Watts Bar plant as
the  primary tritium source and the Sequoyah station near Chattanooga as an
alternate.

TVA already has conducted a successful tritium test production run at Watts
Bar.

Tritium is a fast-decaying element. DOE hasn't produced any new tritium
since it closed  its production reactors at the Savannah River Site in South
Carolina in 1988. It has been  recycling tritium out of retired weapons
since then.

DOE estimates it will need new tritium by 2005, meaning the first
tritium-producing  rods would need to go into a TVA reactor by 2003.

Under terms of the contract, the Energy Department will pay TVA up to $9.9
million  per year to make tritium. The contract could begin as soon as 2003
and run until 2035, when  Watts Bar is scheduled to close.

The plan is for the tritium to be extracted at Savannah River.


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And the Award Goes To...Hillary Clinton!

“Hillary Rodham Clinton has just won an honor she probably won’t enjoy:  She
has been selected 1999’s most boring celebrity.  The boring titles are handed
out each year by the Boring Institute in Maplewood, N.J., and according to
founder Alan Caruba, Clinton wins the honor this year because ‘she’s the
perfect description of someone who can’t take a hint to go away.’”

- “The Buzz,” Las Vegas Review Journal, 12/7/99

*
Bradley Opens Mouth, Inserts BIG Foot

After telling the world last week that he might have to raise taxes to pay
for his outlandish health care scheme, Democrat presidential contender Bill
Bradley told the New York Times to tell RNC Chairman Jim Nicholson to “ask
George W. Bush to take a no new taxes pledge.”  Ooops.  Bradley is now busy
removing egg from his face.  The fact is, all six of the Republican
presidential contenders HAVE signed the “No New Taxes” pledge of Americans
for Tax Reform, including Bush.  As Nicholson pointed out in a press release
yesterday, “The ONLY candidates who HAVEN’T signed are Bradley and Gore.”
The GOP chief concluded with this stinging observation:  “Bradley is Walter
Mondale with a jump shot, while Gore is Michael Dukakis without the
personality.”  Ouch.  That hurts.  But how true!

*
Keyes’ Star Rising

“Alan Keyes has always been eloquent, but he’s become more cool and
comfortable.  He’s a great speaker; you listen and don’t daydream when he
talks, but in the past when I’ve seen him speak I’ve half expected him to
break into, ‘And the Angel Moroni came to me and said...’  His intensity was
compelling, but I think it also made people wonder if he was at all suited to
public office.  For whatever reasons, that has changed.  He’s the only
political figure I’ve ever heard make the connection between abortion and the
national character and the future.  It’s interesting when you see brilliant
people with nothing to lose perform at the top of their game.”

- Wall Street Journal editor Peggy Noonan, 12/8/99

*
Debates Good Exercise for Dubya

“Certainly Texas Gov. George W. Bush knows by now he faces a contest and not
a coronation.  His lead in money and organization still makes him the heavy
favorite.  But his competitors are serving a purpose by challenging him on
both the issues and his record.  If he can’t handle this gantlet, he
certainly isn’t ready for the Gore-Carville assault Democrats.  It’s about
time Mr. Bush joined the debates in particular, because by Thursday’s
performance he needs the practice. ... The front-runner sounded too
programmed and defensive, and his TV appearance is sometimes a bit
off-putting.”

- Wall Street Journal editorial, 12/6/99

***
Coulter Shock

“I’m getting a little tired of politicians trying to prove how ‘moderate’
and
‘centrist’ they are by taking more of my money and freedom.  Where’s this
center - somewhere between Lenin and Stalin?”

“Saying tax cuts benefit only ‘the rich’ is like complaining that civil
rights laws benefit only minorities.  Yeah, of course it’s ‘the rich’ who
benefit from tax cuts:  They’re the ones who pay the taxes.  Indeed, a pretty
good working definition of ‘the rich’ is ‘any taxpayer with an alarm
clock.’”

“Republicans compromising with Democrats is like a common criminal trying to
reach some middle ground in a negotiation with Ted Bundy:  ‘OK, you want to
rape and decapitate her, but I only want her purse.  So how about we
triangulate to a couple acts of sodomy and a life-threatening wounding, and
we’ll split the money.’”

- Columnist Ann Coulter, Las Vegas Review Journal, 12/7/99

*
Big Honor for the “Big Dog”

Tom Wiesner, Nevada’s Republican National Committeeman since 1986, will be
inducted into the Southern Nevada Sports Hall of Fame on June 2 at an awards
dinner at the Las Vegas Hilton.  Wiesner, affectionately known as “Big Dog”
by friends and associates, was named MVP for the Wisconsin Badgers in 1960
and played in the Rose Bowl as well as three professional football leagues.
He was elected a Clark County Commissioner from 1970 to 1976 and currently
serves as an elected member of the University Board of Regents.  His
involvement in local sports in Southern Nevada since moving here in 1963 is
well-known, and finally, with this award, well-recognized.  Congratulations,
Tom.

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[CTRL] Nuclear Waste Remediation

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Latest efforts to gain acceptance for new process to neutralize radioactive
wastes onsite rather than ship them across country and bury them, ie,
antidote to "Mobile Chernobyl" plans.

From: Gary Vesperman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: NRC hearing on cask safety issues
Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 9:06 AM

Hello Everybody!

Last night the Nuclear Regulatory Commission held a hearing
here in Henderson, Nevada on safety issues involved with
transporting on trucks highly radioactive waste nuclear fuel rods
inside casks. The casks are extremely heavy dumb-bell shaped
containers built to withstand falls, fire, collisions at 60 mph, etc.
They have a layer of water all around to provide neutron shielding,
stainless steel to shield against gamma rays, thick rigid steel shells,
etc.

Below is a copy of my testimony. A. Roy MacMillan is a good friend of
mine who I met last year. He is a former member of the Board of
Directors of the World Bank during the early 1970's. He is actively
pursuing several other innovative widely beneficial projects besides
a new cask design and the truck-mounted portable nuclear fuel
neutralizer that I mentioned in my testimony.

I did some networking among the NRC officials and attendees from
the public. I focused on promoting the theme that geologic storage of
radioactive nuclear fuel has been made obsolete by the development
of low-energy nuclear transmutation by Hal Fox and his associates of
Trenergy, Inc., Salt Lake City. As a marketing prop, so to speak, I would
show them a color printout of the flake of copper from
http://web.gcis.net/cincygrp/
which used to be radioactive thorium. And if they still don't believe
that transmuting radioactive fuel to non-radioactive isotopes can
be done, I would tell them to go to Trenergy's lab so they can see
for themselves a demonstration of transmuting radioactive thorium into
non-radioactive copper, etc so that the radioactivity drops by 90% in one
hour or so.

More than one NRC official told me that all NRC does is regulate.
For research funding, go talk to the DOE. I would then tell them
that the Salt Lake City people have been talking to the DOE for at least
a couple of years. Yet Trenergy still hasn't been able to secure the
research funding that they deserve.

I was introduced to Patricia Eng who is some kind of a chief of
the NRC section on casks. She said she knows of Roy MacMillan's
Containment Systems company I mentioned in my testimony.
She also has for a while posted in her office a printout of the same
copper flake downloaded from http://web.gcis.net/cincygrp/.

She is a good example of why a better Web site on low-energy nuclear
transmutation would help sell the technology.

I tried to explain to one NRC official in simple terms how low-energy
nuclear transmutation neutralizes radioactive materials. My explanation
was essentially the paragraph below in my testimony about the
difference between 9,000,000 volts versus less than 5,000 volts.
He admitted I was going over his head. I didn't think of it at the time,
but I could have then tried on him my analogy using ping pong balls for
electrons and bowling balls for protons.

I had the same difficulty with someone else involved with a private
company in the cask business. My guess is if they don't understand
what is a volt, they can't begin to comprehend even in simple terms
the theory of low-energy nuclear transmutation.

My actual testimony was much shorter and without the theatrics
I wrote in the letter below. I have mixed feelings about publicly accusing
the DOE and NRC of possible corruption with respect to Yucca Mountain.
After talking with the NRC officials last night, while admittedly a
statistically insignificant sample, I am leaning more towards just plain
technical incompetence and lazy bureaucratic thinking and inertia among
DOE people as to why they have ignored low-energy nuclear transmutation
as a demonstrable alternative to geologic storage of waste nuclear fuel.

Gary

(Below is the text of my testimony that was submitted in WRITTEN form.
I passed out 20 copies of my testimony.)

Gary C. Vesperman
3123 Trueno Road
Henderson, NV 89014-3142
(702) 435-7947 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

December 8, 1999

U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission
Spent Fuel Project Office
Washington, DC 20555-0001

To whom it may concern:

Please include the following comments in the record of the December 8, 1999
public meeting at the Henderson Convention Center on transportation of spent
nuclear fuel safety:

Roy MacMillan is the President of Containment Systems, Inc. His company has
developed a new type of cask for transporting high-level radioactive waste
which is much cheaper yet stronger and safer than casks currently being
used.

When I first met Mr. MacMillan last year, his company also had the
engineering nearly completed for a portable truck-mounted spent nuclear fuel
neutralizer. The spent nuclear fuel rods would be processed so that 

[CTRL] Federalism Splits Indonesia's Government

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STRATFOR.COM Global Intelligence Update
December 9, 1999


Federalism Splits Indonesia's Government


Summary

Just months after East Timor's independence vote, President
Abdurrahman Wahid's Cabinet of National Unity is divided on how to
quell urgent separatist movements in the restive provinces,
particularly Aceh, that threaten to rip the country apart. Now, a
growing debate over Wahid's proposed solution - turning highly
centralized Indonesia into a federal system - divides his three-
month old government. Ultimately, Wahid may find his power and
agenda checked by a union of nationalists that recalls the days of
Sukarno: a union of Vice President Megawati Sukarnoputri and the
armed forces.


Analysis

On Dec. 7, Indonesian Defense Minister Juwono Sudarsono joined the
raging debate in the government concerning the merits of
transforming Indonesia into a federalist system as the solution to
its widespread separatist problems. He echoed the position of many
Indonesians by saying that federalism is the "first step toward
uncontrollable separatism."

The debate over transforming unitary Indonesia into a group of
federated states - an idea championed by President Abdurrahman
Wahid himself - has struck at the heart of nationalist sentiment in
Indonesia. It has created deep rifts in the president's Cabinet of
National Unity
[
http://www.stratfor.com/asia/countries/indonesia/Elections/indonesianewcabinet
.htm ],
which now prevent it from being the "government of
national reconciliation" that Wahid had intended. More dangerously,
it has allied two powerful nationalist forces that stand firmly
opposed to federalism: Vice President Megawati Sukarnoputri, whose
party has the largest presence in the legislature, and the
Indonesian armed forces, which still wields substantial control
over the country. As a result, Wahid may soon be forced to abandon
his own agenda for national reconciliation.

Wahid first initiated the controversy when he suggested federalism
- a collection of relatively autonomous states organized around a
central government in Jakarta - as a possible compromise to calls
for independence in Aceh. As a Nov. 29 Jakarta Post editorial
pointed out, federalism is still a "dirty word" to many
Indonesians, whose constitution calls for a highly centralized
government, a unitary state.

Along with former rival Amien Rais, Wahid apparently believes that
federalism is now the only recourse to safeguarding unity and
stability. Rais, chairman of National Mandate Party (PAN), leads
the "axis force," the coalition that helped bring together Wahid's
current government. Both men are the former heads of the two
largest Muslim groups in Indonesia.

The decision by these two formal rivals to pursue federalism may be
driven by a desire to break up the old Sukarno and Suharto empires,
both of which lie in the rich natural resources in the provinces.
Federalism would give the provinces significant control over these
resources and effectively redistribute the country's wealth.
Opponents of such redistribution include conservative elements of
the Golkar Party, Megawati and her Indonesian Democratic Struggle
Party (PDI-P) and the Indonesian armed forces.

All Wahid's opponents are linked to the old regimes and advocate
keeping power concentrated in Jakarta for good reason: they do not
want to lose the wealth they amassed during the Sukarno and Suharto
eras. As well, Megawati is a fervent nationalist. She is the
daughter of former President Sukarno, the founding father of
unified Indonesia.

Wahid's Cabinet is now falling apart, deeply divided by disparate
visions of the future of Indonesian unity. Many signs of turmoil
have emerged in the past weeks. For example, members of the United
Development Party (PPP), the largest party in the axis coalition,
have accused Megawati's PDI-P of attempting to undermine the
coalition and discredit the government.

Not surprisingly, Megawati's party seems to be at the center of the
disturbance. In recent weeks, her party has sought to censure Amien
Rais, specifically because he supports federalism. In a formal
request to the Indonesian Congress (DPR), the PDI-P faction argued,
"Amien Rais's statement on federalism is against his official oath
as the people's representative which requires him to remain loyal
to the Pancasila (the state ideology) and the Unitary State of the
Republic of Indonesia." The PDI-P also emphasized that it would
defend the Unitary State "at all cost."

But Wahid's calls for federalism have ruffled the feathers of a far
more powerful bird: the military, which exerts a great deal of
influence over the government. Under both Sukarno and Suharto, the
military was set up specifically to be the backbone of a unitary
Indonesia; federalism is directly at odds with its job description.
Many of its members hold official government positions. As well,
former armed forces chief 

[CTRL] Another slice of pi

[earthman]

 -Caveat Lector-

Following on from my pi post
pi=22/7
The following is from a nasa site confirming the 22 year magnetic cycle of
the Sun.We are nearing the peak of the current solar cycle and I am trying
to find out when this peak is about to occur and if this is the magnetic
reversal cycle.
I did wonder however that perhaps that mysterious 11:11 is referring to this
cycle and the real activation is at the peak of the cycle as opposed to the
man made date that we were led to believe..
Is anyone still experiencing these numbers or has it stopped since the 11th?
So if anyone knows the answers to the above questions please let me know..I
need to book the band LOL
Oh and I think pi meaning gateway and 11:11 was touted as the Stargate that
perhaps the 7 represents us and our 'ascension'.. We have heard of the 7
year itch and that we go through a 7 year cycle, and of course 7 colours and
musical notes and tons of other stuff.So an opportunity may be in the offing
to those in tune with this magical combination.
Peter
http://science.msfc.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/solar/dynamo.htm
The surface magnetic fields exhibit Hale's Law (77 kb GIF image). Sunspot
groups usually consist of two subgroups: the leading spots (leading in the
direction of the sun's rotation) and the following spots. George Ellery Hale
discovered that the leading spots in one hemisphere are usually of one
polarity and the following spots are usually all of the opposite polarity.
In the other hemisphere the polarities are reversed. Hale also found that
the polarities reversed from one solar sunspot cycle to the next. This
effect gives the sun a 22-year magnetic cycle. Sunspot groups also have
characteristic tilts so that the leading spots are usually closer to the
equator than the following spots (Joy's Law). This may be evidence of the
Alpha Effect in which rising loops of magnetic field are twisted by the
Sun's rotation.



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[CTRL] AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL

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The following is a poem written by Judge Roy Moore.  Judge Moore was
recently sued by the ACLU for displaying the Ten Commandments in his
courtroom.  After a lengthy appeal process the case has been dismissed
and the Ten Commandments remain in display.

AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL

 America the beautiful, or so you used to be
Land of the Pilgrims' pride. I'm glad they'll never see
Babies piled in dumpsters. Abortion on demand.
Oh sweet land of liberty, your house is on the sand.

Our children wander aimlessly, poisoned by cocaine,
Choosing to indulge their lusts, when God has said, 'abstain'.
From sea to shining sea, our Nation turns away from the teaching
Of God's love and the need to always pray.

So many worldly pastors tell lies about the Rock,
Saying God is going broke so they can fleece the flock.
We've kept God in our temples, how callous we have grown,
When earth is but his footstool and Heaven is his throne.

We've voted in a government that's rotting at the core,
Appointing Godless judges who throw reason out the door,
Too soft to place a killer in a well deserved tomb,
But brave enough to kill a baby before he leaves the womb.

You think that God's not angry that our land's a moral slum?
How much longer will he wait before his judgment comes?
How are we to face our God from whom we cannot hide?
What then is left for us to do, but stem this evil tide?

If we who are his children will humbly turn and pray,
Seek his holy face and mend our evil way,
Then God will hear from heaven and forgive us of our sins,
He'll heal our sickly land and those who live therein.

But, America the Beautiful,
if you don't then you will see,
A sad but Holy God
With draw His hand from thee.

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[CTRL] Dear Mayor Schell -from Asheville, NC.

[Dave]

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Dear Mayor Schell:

I attended a meeting here in my small town of Asheville, NC, last night
which was attended by slightly over 200 persons- all gathered to hear from a
half dozen of our neighbors who had made the long journey to your fair city
of Seattle, for the purpose of a determined non-violent exercise of their
First Amendment protected rights as Citizens of the several united States.
The stories of our neighbors, several of whom experienced the very dubious
hospitality of your Jail- were corroborations of what we've seen on the
Internet, and in some of the excellent quality independent news coverage by
video dispersed on the Internet and via live satellite feed.
The video we saw clearly showed peaceful non-violent Citizens attacked
physically and chemically by your Police. Quite brutally in some instances
which included children and elderly women. The only loss of life that I'm
aware of was a woman's suffering of a miscarriage due to Police violence.
The depiction on the video was corroborated by our neighbors who attended
the WTO Protest.

This is illegal, Mr. Mayor.

Please "do the right thing" in retrospect.
You have an opportunity here, to make a stand of solidarity with
transnational corporations- or to Honor your Commitment to The PEOPLE. Don't
take it too lightly- this may be the most important choice of your life. If
you choose the course of Honor, your place in history and politics may be
quite interesting!

As it is, the recent events in your fair city have ignited a powerful
coalition of solidarity in The PEOPLE which has not been seen since the
Civil Rights movement of the Vietnam tragedy. Listen well to history being
made, and to the place you would choose for yourself and your city. A good
portion of the 50,000 plus peaceful demonstrators are now similarly making
their reports back to their communities and neighbors. The event of the WTO
in Seattle - momentous as it may have been- is the stone dropped in the
lake. The ripples are spreading throughout the country, and as you've seen-
the People will not be denied. We stand in support of those who were jailed,
many of whom were illegally attacked while peacefully assembled.

I wish you strength of conscience in making your choice.
I hope many of my friends and associates join me in this wish.

Sincerely,

Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com

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Subject: WTO ACTION NEEDED


*PLEASE CIRCULATE

More than 500 peaceful protestors were arrested and charged with multiple
misdemeanors for speaking out against the World Trade Organization. Please
take action now to demand that the charges against these people be dropped.
The WTO political prisoners were arrested for exercising their 1st amendment
rights of free speech and peaceful assembly. The loss of their democratic
rights during the WTO's occupation of Seattle reflects the loss of basic
human rights worldwide under corporate rule. Please write to Seattle Mayor
Paul Schell and others to help preserve freedom of speech by dropping the
charges against the non-violent protestors.

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Mayor Paul Schell
600 4th Ave.
Seattle, WA 98104-1850
Phone: (206) 684-4000

Also, contact your representatives in Congress or the President and tell
them that the mass arrests in Seattle undermine democracy by taking away the
people's rights to free speech and peaceful assembly. Ask them to put
pressure on Seattle to drop charges against the non-violent protestors.

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[CTRL] CONSTITUTIONALISTS MUST UNITE OR PERISH

[Bill Richer]

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Peace at any cost is a prelude to war!

http://www.serve.com/pvbr/Issue_1/pers.htm

CONSTITUTIONALISTS MUST UNITE OR PERISH


By Phil Brennan

If there was any doubt that there's a rebellion brewing out there the events
in Seattle should quickly banish them. Something volcanic is simmering just
below the surface in America and it won't take much to make it erupt and
spread it's red hot political lava all over the  landscape.

Here's how Buchanan supporter Scott McConnell saw it( http://www.gopatgo.org):

"After Seattle, the nation's politics seem pregnant with possibility. The
elite consensus which wants Americans to buy and consume and not think too
much about important questions looks suddenly shaky. Other issues may emerge
as well. Perhaps immigration - where most Americans want a slowdown, and the
Congress doesn't listen to them.
Perhaps the hyper active foreign interventions supported by both Republican
and Democratic elites, the folks who think American can solve every problem
with force, or those who yearn for a new Cold War. Here, the elite hold on
public opinion is even more tenuous than it is on trade.

"After Seattle, it looks like real democracy may be starting up again."

What that will do for the future of a free America depends on what happens
next year when the nation goes to the polls to elect a president and
congress, and that outcome could well be determined by how those concerned
about the shredding of the Constitution conduct themselves between now and
then.

Let's begin with the Seattle demonstrations. It should be obvious that there
are large numbers of Americans, representing a wide spectrum of the political
and philosophical views of the public, have genuine concerns about the
continuing diminution of our national sovereignty and the resulting march
towards the heralded New World Order.

What we are seeing is a realignment of political blocs so massive that the
terms liberal and conservative no longer have any real meaning. Both liberals
and conservatives are splitting into two camps - one camp fervently dedicated
to globalism and a one-world supergovernment, and the other, a just as
fervent determination to save the nation from being sucked into the New World
Order.

Seattle revealed this new alignment in the starkest terms. Forgetting the
handful of window smashing wackos, the bulk of the demonstrators were from he
left side of the political spectrum - labor union members, environmentalists,
all allied in this campaign against globalism with Buchananite conservatives.

The reaction of many on the right to Seattle - and to the World Trade
Organization -was to label the foes of he WTO as "Luddites" implying that
opposition to the elitist WTO bureaucracy is opposition to free trade,
progress and the oncoming global economy.

This is nonsense, and it is no less than a declaration of war against every
conservative who sides with those who want American sovereignty over trade
and everything else kept out of the hands of those who would submit the
American people to a remote world government with not the slightest interest
in the welfare of the American people.

This split in the conservative ranks did not begin with Seattle. It became
apparent during the war in Kosovo, when many on the right were appalled by
the Clinton administrations totally unconstitutional bombing campaign, while
other conservatives applauded US involvement   and went so far as to urge the
administration to launch a full-scale ground war against Yugoslavia.

Pat Buchanan has spelled out his attitude towards global trade, and what he
has to say gives the lie to the charges that those opposed to our present
global trade policies are opposed to free trade, per se.

Here's where Buchanan, and every other conservative and liberal who share his
views stand:

"The elitist architects of GATT and NAFTA have locked arms with their
corporate cohorts to support a trade policy that is neither fair nor free.
This year we will incur a $300 billion trade deficit. A fourth of our steel,
a third of our autos, half our machine tools, and two-thirds of our textiles
will be imported. America, once the world's greatest creditor, will once
again be its greatest debtor.
The bulls run wild on Wall Street, corporate profits boom, and CEOs ring up
record salaries. But in
Middle America, our industrial base is eroding, factories are closing, and
manufacturing jobs are
moving overseas. America's working men and women are being sacrificed to the
Global Economy.
Although our leaders seem deaf to their distress, their concerns are valid.

"American workers have watched their wages shrink to 1973 levels.
Manufacturing jobs comprise the
smallest share of the labor force in 100 years. More mothers and wives are in
the labor force than ever
before in our history, but median family income still lags $1000 below where
it was when Ronald Reagan left office.

"As our industrial capacity slips, 

[CTRL] Anglo-Dutch War still ongoing

[Linda Minor]

 -Caveat Lector-

http://news.24.com/English/Anglo_Boer_War/Boer_War_News/ENG_179325_790353_SE
O.asp

Queen's apology does not satisfy rightwing

Johannesburg - The British Queen's carefully worded statement on the Anglo
Boer War war has failed to satisfy supporters of the Boer-cause.

Queen Elizabeth last night told a state banquet that no one could fail to be
moved by the suffering in British concentration camps during the Anglo Boer
War a century ago.

But she stopped short of making an outright apology.

White right-wingers wanted an admission of guilt... not an invitation to
read between the lines of a delicately crafted political statement.

Members of the Herstigte Nasionale Party also held a small protest at the
Union Buildings on Wednesday.

The HNP's Leon Strydom says they'll keep protesting until they hear what
they want to hear.

He says the British must acknowledge their guilt, and apologise in the same
way the Germans apologised to the Jews.

http://news.24.com/English/Anglo_Boer_War/Boer_War_News/ENG_180999_795942_SE
O.asp
Churchill's grand-daughter 'late Boer war casualty'

 Spioenkop - Winston Churchills grand-daughter, Celia Sandys, became a late
casualty of the Anglo-Boer war when a cannon backfired in her face during
commemoration ceremonies in Estcourt on Saturday.

Sandys had agreed to fire a starting cannon for a road race named after her
distinguished ancestor, but it backfired peppering her face with grains of
black powder which fortunately missed her eyes.

They re-enacted the Anglo-Boer War for real and Im the first casualty," she
joked later in the day.



http://news.24.com/English/Anglo_Boer_War/InDepth/Features.asp
And the winner is ...
by Sir Thomas Pakenham

You would think that war is about winning and losing. But it is sometimes
unclear, even a century later, which side actually won the war - or won the
peace that followed.


Take the Boer War. The British went to war in October 1899, accepting the
ultimatum of the two Boer republics, the Transvaal and the Orange Free
State.








   The Boers believed they were fighting to preserve their independence. "It
is my country you want," said President Kruger of the Transvaal.
Nonsense, said Britain's Tory Prime Minister, Lord Salisbury. All we want is
to help British citizenship. "We want no gold, we want no territory," he
repeated.
Of course it was humbug.
As the world's leading maritime power, Britain was deeply concerned with
global strategy. The Cape was the hub of the world's shipping lanes.
Britain needed to protect its supremacy in the region with a naval base at
the Cape.
Already there was suspicion that Britain's European rivals -- especially
Germany -- had designs on the gold-rich Transvaal.
Britain could take no chances. By hook or by crook, those tiresome Boers
must be incorporated in the British empire.

In due course Britain won the war -- or so it appeared. The cost proved
huge, and the war hugely humiliating.
It was the longest (over two and a half years), costliest (over 200 million
pounds) and bloodiest (more than 22 000 British and 50 000 Boer and African
lives) war the British had fought since they had beaten Napoleon in 1815.
But the British achieved their global aim.
The Boers were dragged protestingly into the British empire.
And for half a century -- that is, until 1951 -- Britain controlled a naval
base at the Cape, which played a vital role, as did Jan Smuts and the South
African army, on the allied side in two world wars.

   In the short term, the Boers certainly looked like losers.
The survivors of the commandos returned to find their homes burnt or looted,
their cattle and sheep and horses slaughtered or stolen.
Many lost their wives or children in the concentration camps.
Still worse, from a political view-point, was the destruction of the unity
of the volk.
An increasing minority of the Boers -- up to a fifth by the end of the
war -- had fought on the side of the British as 'hansuppers'.
To bind up these self-inflicted wounds and reconcile the divisions within
the volk was the first priority of the Boer leaders after the war.

   However, by 1907 the new Liberal government in London had restored
self-government within the empire to the two ex-republics.
The Transvaal's commandant-general, Louis Botha, defeated on the veld, had
signed the Treaty of Vereeniging in 1902. Eight years later he was Prime
Minister of the new dominion of South Africa, elected on a platform of
reconciling the 'white races'.
So who had won the peace: Britain or the Boers?
To many of the British minority in the Cape, now governed by defeated Boer
commando leaders such as Botha and Smuts, their war-time victories seemed
hollow enough.
And in 1951 the Nationalists, exploiting the bitter legacy of the war,
resolved the question of who had won the peace.
Putting the clock back 50 years, they kicked Britain out of their naval base
and took 

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #1 - y2k minus 23

[Ric Carter]

rive. http://news.excite.com/news/r/991207/08/odd-surgery
# Castration may help cancer patients - but will they want to live? Would
  you? http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562497784-ad9
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Y2K-A-Rama:

# Y2K - 250,000 UK Homes Risk Festive Robbery. LONDON (Reuters) At least
  250,000 British homes risk being burgled in the run-up to the Christmas
  and millennium holiday season, insurance company Direct Line warned:
  http://news.excite.com/news/r/991208/07/odd-millennium-crime

# Y2K - Canada Ready To Invoke Updated War Measures Act:
  http://www.sightings.com/politics5/y2kwarms.htm
# Y2K - Japan Will Mobilize 96,000 Soldiers To Deal With Trouble:
  http://www.sightings.com/politics5/y2kjp.htm
# Y2K - US Ready to Sell Emergency Oil in Case of Y2K Woes:
  http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/19991209/tc/energy_yk_1.html
# France plans 60,000-strong police force on New Year's Eve:
  http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap19991206_643.html

# Y2K - HALF A MILLION PEOPLE IN TIMES SQUARE AND THE THEATERS ARE: Closed.
  New Year's Eve is traditionally a swank theater evening on Broadway, but
  this year the theaters and their unions have decided to stay dark. Show
  biz bug snoozes: http://www.backstage.com/news/ny/nyn19991208110141.asp

# Y2K - Is The World Ready? http://www.sightings.com/politics5/y2kworld.htm
# Y2K - Is Canada Ready? http://www.sightings.com/politics5/y2kcanard.htm
# Y2K - Shuttle On Hold: http://www.sightings.com/politics5/shuttle2k.htm
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Re: [CTRL] Another slice of pi

[Fransy]

Maybe this could help to shed some Light!



Merry Christmas and grand and safe New Millenium (I know, I know, but the
'1st year' was
'year O' , right? Not year '1AD'!)

Frans (from Belgium)

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Subject:[CTRL] Another slice of pi

 -Caveat Lector-

Following on from my pi post
pi=22/7
The following is from a nasa site confirming the 22 year magnetic cycle of
the Sun.We are nearing the peak of the current solar cycle and I am trying
to find out when this peak is about to occur and if this is the magnetic
reversal cycle.
I did wonder however that perhaps that mysterious 11:11 is referring to this
cycle and the real activation is at the peak of the cycle as opposed to the
man made date that we were led to believe..
Is anyone still experiencing these numbers or has it stopped since the 11th?
So if anyone knows the answers to the above questions please let me know..I
need to book the band LOL
Oh and I think pi meaning gateway and 11:11 was touted as the Stargate that
perhaps the 7 represents us and our 'ascension'.. We have heard of the 7
year itch and that we go through a 7 year cycle, and of course 7 colours and
musical notes and tons of other stuff.So an opportunity may be in the offing
to those in tune with this magical combination.
Peter
http://science.msfc.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/solar/dynamo.htm
The surface magnetic fields exhibit Hale's Law (77 kb GIF image). Sunspot
groups usually consist of two subgroups: the leading spots (leading in the
direction of the sun's rotation) and the following spots. George Ellery Hale
discovered that the leading spots in one hemisphere are usually of one
polarity and the following spots are usually all of the opposite polarity.
In the other hemisphere the polarities are reversed. Hale also found that
the polarities reversed from one solar sunspot cycle to the next. This
effect gives the sun a 22-year magnetic cycle. Sunspot groups also have
characteristic tilts so that the leading spots are usually closer to the
equator than the following spots (Joy's Law). This may be evidence of the
Alpha Effect in which rising loops of magnetic field are twisted by the
Sun's rotation.



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[CTRL] Fwd: [RuMills] RELIGIOUS MIRACLE OR THE START OFTHE NEW WORLD RELIGION?

[William Shannon]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

DEAR RUMOR MILL READERS,

I have had a request from my readers who are on WebTV. They have asked me  to
please send everything I post on the Rumor Mill News Forum to the OneList
email group. I did not realize that a lot of people are not able to get on
the Forum. From now on will will send my Forum  posts to the onelist.com.list

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RELIGIOUS MIRACLE OR THE START OF THE NEW RELIGION
Posted By: Rayelan Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, 9 December 1999, at 7:12 p.m.

IS THE VOICE OF THE VIRGIN OF GUADALUPE A RELIGIOUS MIRACLE?

OR IS THE NEW WORLD ORDER USING MIND CONTROL TECHNOLOGY TO MAKE A FAMOUS ROCK
STAR BELIEVE THE VIRGIN SPOKE TO HIM?

Yesterday the newspapers in England were filled with stories about the anger
the British are feeling because of a statue of Princess Diana dressed as the
Virgin Mary.

Today in Mexico, rock legend Carlos Santana, says he has spoken to Mexico's
most revered religious figure-- the Virgin of Guadalupe.

In my book, Diana, Queen of Heaven, The New World Religion-- I predicted that
the New World Order would use electronic voice to skull technology to "beam"
voices into people's heads--- making them believe that they have heard the
voice of a messiah-- or in this case, a Saint.

In the past two days, there have been two incidents that were predicted in my
book Diana, Queen of Heaven.

I think we are are the fast track to a New World Religion. The main point
that I made in the book is that government and religion would merge into one
entity.

I now see that the entity will resemble a cross between the Catholic Church
of the dark ages and Inquisition, and Mao's communist China. We will live in
a world where government regulations will be replaced by church doctrine. If
you break church doctrine, you don't go to jail, you will be banished,
tortured or burned at the stake.



Mexican rock star Santana says "spoke to Virgin" Updated 11:34 PM ET December
8, 1999 By Karina Balderas MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Mexican rock legend Carlos
Santana said Wednesday he had spoken to Mexico's most revered religious
figure -- the Virgin of Guadalupe -- while praying.

Santana, who rose to fame with hits like "Black Magic Woman" and recently
headed the Billboard magazine "Top 100" chart with his album "Supernatural,"
also declared that marijuana was not a drug.

The 52-year-old rock star told a packed news conference -- characterized by a
strong stench of incense -- in a top Mexico City hotel that the Virgin of
Guadalupe, the Mexican version of the Virgin Mary, "spoke to him" while he
was praying in church.

"My heart was transformed into a bird of fire that only wanted to fly and go
toward her," said Santana, who played his wailing guitar at Woodstock in
1969.

"I started to cry -- I'd never cried in my life -- and she said, 'Calm down,
breathe, I am very proud and happy with you,"' Santana said.

"When the mother of Guadalupe tells you this, you are alive," Santana added.
He did not say exactly when the conversation occurred.

The Virgin's image is jealously guarded in Mexico, where she is seen as a
symbol of nationhood.

Santana's words came just four days before millions of Mexicans start their
annual pilgrimage to the Basilica of Guadalupe, in the north of Mexico City,
where according to legend the Virgin appeared to the Indian Juan Diego in
1531.

Santana dedicated his new album to "God, who put me in touch with angels,
outside and inside my eyes."

Reporters at the meeting to promote a concert in Mexico City Friday appeared
skeptical of the rocker's words, one saying: "The Virgin didn't even say so
much to Juan Diego." Another suggested Santana may have been under the
influence of drugs.

Santana went on to discuss the merits of marijuana.

"Marijuana is not a drug and if factories are set up here to make clothes,
tofu cheese, medicine and paper from marijuana, we won't have to chop down so
many trees," said the singer, prompting confused looks from his assistants.


Christmas Special from Pigeon Point Publishing

Diana,Queen of Heaven, the New World Religion

$10.00

Readers and researchers alike have stated that this book is the best overview
of the New World Order and what it has in store for humanity.

The book explains what was behind the murder of Princess Diana. * Who was
behind it * Why Pont D'Alma was chosen as the murder site * How her image
will be used by the New World Order * How the new religion will blend
government and religion into one * How new technologies of mind control and
holography will be used to create the new messiah

The book covers what and who the New World Order is. It also covers the
opposition to the New World Order, Faction Two. The best description ever
written of Faction Two is included in this book.

At the end of the book is a suggested reading list. It includes many of the
books that were used for 

[CTRL] MONARCHY OR MONEY POWER/ Secret Societies

[Linda Minor]

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The first section of a book by
ROBERT MCNAIR WILSON, MONARCHY OR MONEY POWER, can be found at the following
site:

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/1156/

The index for subsequent chapters appears in the frame at the left of text.

The index for Secret Societies can also be accessed from that frame.

NESTA WEBSTER


SECRET SOCIETIES
and

SUBVERSIVE MOVEMENTS




Boswell Publishing Co., Ltd.,
London, 1924

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Black Bloc and obsessive analysis

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Violence is violence, no matter what or who the target is.

Are you saying that somebody who is being raped or murdered should not
resist?

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Re: [CTRL] Safra Death a Mystery

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Is there perchance a gay angle to this all?
Hmnnn.

Well, all the "male nurses" attending Safra DOES seem to suggest that
possibility.

If "I" were an aged bachelor billionaire living in seclusion in Monaco, MY
"nurses" would all be barely-18 porno queens in skimpy French maid outfits
(when dressed at all) ... Let the damned pharmacy and a private physician
on call handle any medication needed ...

Ignoring the blatant sexism in this statement, it also ignores the fact
that the original news report stated that Safra's WIFE hid in another
part of the apartment, and later begged Safra to come out of the bathroom
when all was safea plea that Safra, for whatever reason, supposedly
ignored...

And having at one time studied nursing, I can categorically state that
male nurses are rarely gay...


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Re: [CTRL] Secret Software (fwd)

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Find out!

 you are being investigated!

This sounds like bait, the kind that comes with a trojan horse like
D.I.R.T. or B.O.

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Re: [CTRL] COINTELPRO in Seattle

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Forgive my delay in posting a reply to this excellent post.
See my comments below interspersed in the text.

In a message dated 12/7/99 7:48:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 The LAST exit to asserting our rights is already tightly locked --we long
ago
  locked it OURSELVES, locking ourselves IN, in return for only the false
  promise of the faintest possibility of that will-o'-the-wisp "financial
  security"-- and there's no longer any hope of finding an EFFECTIVE way OUT
  again, except through violence or the THREAT of it.

"Social Security" was the final bullshit item to promise us some
semblance of financial security (what a sham).  Can't opt out even.  Let us
not forget the sense of physical security that good old Uncle Sam gives to
us, well worth throwing away what little rights we have.  No?


  Take, for example, my local "union," in which I was duly and correctly, in
  accord with its rules, elected shop steward -- yet in practice I am denied
  any opportunity to participate in negotiations that might affect the lot of
  all those who elected me to represent them.  Yet membership in this "union"
  is mandatory for all employees at the site where we work, so that union
dues
  are automatically deducted from our paychecks, destined only for the union
  bosses' pockets.  We get the same "benefits" as NON-union workers.

You're singing a tune that I know by heart.  I work for the Postal
Service, and we have a LARGE union, that IS affiliated with the AFL-CIO.
What an incredible joke it is.  We "negotiated" our last contract without
going to arbitration (which the Union hailed as a major step for us.  The
deal sucked through and through.  Then when another Postal Union went to
arbitration and got a better deal all the sudden OUR union was crying foul.
Just politics, so BLATANT now that it is pathetic.  The same rights and wages
as non-union members, and if we want to get out of the union we must wait
until our hire date anniversary, if you miss the window you gotta wait
another year.  Labor and anagement EQUAL one.

  It's a scam, it's a fraud -- but it's a good example of what the
institution
  of the "labor union" --granted political power over half a century ago,
ONLY
  after strikes, rioting and bloodshed-- has DEGENERATED into, in modern-day
  Korporate-controlled America.  In the very first paragraph of its contract
  with our employers, our "union" RENOUNCES the right to strike or otherwise
  interfere with the normal conduct of our employer's business, and in
return,
  our employer "agrees" to pay union members whatever it sees fit -- which is
  comparable to what it'd pay us WITHOUT a union.  Admittedly, our "union" is
  NOT under the authority of the AFL-CIO --which makes this scam even more
  acceptable to Korporate employers, and more profitable to the "union's"
  bosses, who monopolize an entire profession in this town-- but that really
  doesn't matter, since the AFL-CIO itself --under CFR member George Meany,
 and
  under MAFIOSI union bosses who secretly colluded with the FBI and/or CIA,
  after WWII, when the federal government cut a deal with organized crime--
  functions primarily, if not solely, as an instrument to keep labor under
  Korporate control.  "Labor" is as thoroughly corrupt as any other warehouse
  of voters, another wolf-in-sheep's-clothing "shepherd" of American sheeple
 at
  the polls.

So true.  Of course we can't strike either, and it is the ONLY power that
we ever had and it is no longer in our hands.  Does anyone ever wonder why
there are so many postal shootings?  I could tell you some of the reasons for
it.

  Surrender the THREAT of "violence" --the option of SHUTTING DOWN THE
SYSTEM,
  NON-violently EXCEPT IN SELF-DEFENSE, i.e., when under violent COUNTER-
 attack
  by the Korporate State's armed goons-- and you throw away the ONLY
 bargaining
  chip the non-rich and un-privileged HAVE -- have EVER had, historically, or
  CAN ever have.

  The Elite's TRUE source of POWER is the "government's" MONOPOLY on
violence:
  there's NO possibility of "bargaining" for JUSTICE when UNARMED, facing a
  GUN.

  You have ONLY those "rights" you can --individually or collectively--
 ENFORCE
  and DEFEND.  Ah, but HOW?  WITHOUT "violence"?  Without recourse to
violence,

  the GOVERNMENT ITSELF can't rely on the "legitimacy" of its "moral" right
to
  govern us!   How, then, can WE possibly have any rights, left UNsecured by
 an
  EQUAL defense?

As I said in a recent post on a similar topic, violence is unfortunately
necessary in some cases.  When the shackles are pulled taut one too many
times, when the eye gets bruised one too many times, when the boot stomps you
that one last time.


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"Welcome to the desert of the real."  Morpheus, "The Matrix".

"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the 

Re: [CTRL] Y1K and GERBERT, the First European

[TenebrousT]

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In a message dated 12/8/99 6:29:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

  "Some say that he prayed to Satan to save him from the
  magician, and that Satan wafted him away beyond the sea. In order
  to get home, Gerbert agreed to give his soul to Satan, and Satan,
  in turn, promised to give him powers even greater than those
  contained in the book of spells. The proof that this story is the
  correct one is found in the fact that Gerbert kept a human head
  with him and would put the head on his desk and converse with it
  through the night, learning many secrets and about the future
  from it."

Sounds suspiciously like the Baphomet head of the Templars.

**
***
"Welcome to the desert of the real."  Morpheus, "The Matrix".

"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human
mind to correlate all its contents.
  We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity,
and it is not meant that we should
  voyage far.  The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have
hitherto harmed us little; but someday
  the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying
vistas of reality, and of our
  frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation
or flee from the deadly light into the
  peace and safety of a new dark age."  H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu"

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Chuck Baldwin's Food for Thought from the Chuck Wagonfor12/07/99

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 Tenorlove wrote: 

Point of clarification, Joshua: Tenorlove did not write. Chuck Baldwin
wrote. Tenorlove forwarded without comment. Chuck has an email addy on
the bottom of each letter. Tell HIM what you told me!

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[CTRL] Mass Psychotropic Drugging

[lloyd]

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..

Forwarded from the A-albionic Research [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
  http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.htmlFrom: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Mass Psychotropic Drugging
Date: Friday, December 03, 1999 10:36 PM


It's amazing to think that as of 1996, 10 to 12 percent
of schoolboys in the U.S were on an addictive drug, Ritalin,
about which the manufacture states: "Sufficient data on safety
and efficacy of long-term use of Ritalin in children are not yet
available. ... Long-term effects of Ritalin in children have not
been well established." (1998) While the statements are an effort
to avoid liability for any harm caused by their product, they're
also largely true: after being on the market for decades, there
are few if any long-term studies on Ritalin use. But there are
some clues. The manufacture's insert also notes that growth
suppression has been reported.  Some research suggests
the possibility of brain atrophy after chronic use.

Those concerns may prove unfounded, but what if they prove
true and millions of lives are forever diminished during a
reckless diagnostic fad that redefines normal young-male
behavior as a psychiatric disorder requiring drug addiction?

It's good to see a popular columnist like George Will take on
this reckless and even totalitarian venture into mass drugging:

Boys Will Be Boys, or you can just drug them. George F. Will:
http://www.sacbee.com/voices/national/will/will_19991202.html
==
The subtitle appears in The Washington Post (12/02/99, A39).
Here's a select excerpt:
==

Boys Will Be Boys, or you can just drug them.

By George F. Will (12/02/99)

[...]

One theory holds that ADHD is epidemic because of the modern
acceleration of life--the environmental blitzkrieg of MTV,
video games, e-mail, cell phones, etc. But the magazine Lingua
Franca reports that Ken Jacobson, a doctoral candidate in
anthropology at the University of Massachusetts, conducted a
cross-cultural study of ADHD that included observation of two
groups of English school children, one diagnosed with ADHD,
the other not. He observed them with reference to 35 behaviors
(e.g., "giggling," "squirming," "blurting out") and found no
significant differences between the groups.

Children, he says, tend to talk, fidget and fool around--
"all the classical ADHD-type behaviors. If you're predisposed
to label any child as ADHD, the distracted troublemaker or the
model student, you'll find a way to observe these behaviors."
So what might explain such a predisposition? Paul R. McHugh,
professor of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins, writing in Commentary,
argues that ADHD, "social phobia" (usual symptom: fear of
public speaking) and other disorders certified by the American
Psychiatric Association's "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual
of Mental Disorders" are proliferating rapidly. This is
because of a growing tendency to regard as mental problems
many characteristics that are really aspects of individuality.

So pharmacology is employed to relieve burdensome aspects of
temperament. "Psychiatric conditions," says McHugh, "are
routinely differentiated by appearances alone," even when it
is "difficult to distinguish symptoms of illness from normal
variations in human life," or from the normal responses of
sensitive people to life's challenges. But if a condition
can be described, it can be named; once named, a distinct
disorder can be linked to a particular treatment. McHugh
says some experts who certify new disorders "receive
extravagant annual retainers from pharmaceutical companies
that profit from the promotion of disorders treatable by
the companies' medications."

The idea that most individuals deficient inattentiveness
or confidence are sick encourages what McHugh calls
pharmacological "mental cosmetics." This "should be
offensive to anyone who values the richness of human
psychological diversity. Both medically and morally,
encumbering this naturally occurring diversity with the
terminology of disease is a first step toward efforts,
however camouflaged, to control it." Clearly some children
need Ritalin. However, Ken Livingston, of Vassar's department
of psychology, writing in the Public Interest, says Ritalin
is sometimes used as a diagnostic tool--if it improves a
child's attention, ADHD is assumed.

[...]

READ FULL GEORGE WILL EDITORIAL:
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http://sacbee.com/voices/national/will/will_19991202.html
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http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-12/02/110l-120299-idx.html
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Peter Breggin's letter to JAMA on Ritalin:
http://users.erols.com/igoddard/breggin.htm
Can child Ritalin use violate anti-Nazi law?:

[CTRL] [endsecrecy] NSA Says: 'We Won't Spy on You

[lloyd]

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Forwarded from the A-albionic Research [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
  http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.htmlFrom: remyc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: endsecrecy list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [endsecrecy] NSA Says: "'We Won't Spy on You"
Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 9:21 PM

NSA: 'We Won't Spy on You'

Reuters
7:05 a.m. 7.Dec.1999 PST

WASHINGTON -- The National Security Agency, which uses spy satellites and
foreign listening posts to monitor threats to US security, denied on Monday
that it intended to begin spying on Americans at home.

Newsweek magazine in its Dec. 13 issue said the NSA was drafting a
memorandum of understanding to clarify ways in which it could help the FBI
track terrorists and criminals in the United States.

"Under Executive Order, NSA is authorized to provide technical assistance to
law enforcement," a statement from the agency said. "Any assistance NSA
provides is performed in accordance with federal law and regulations."

The NSA and CIA are supposed to operate overseas and not spy on Americans
domestically, while the FBI investigates federal crimes inside the United
States.

The Newsweek article said there was a new alliance between the NSA and FBI
and posed the question: "In their zeal, will the crime-fighters and
electronic sleuths illegally spy on US citizens?"

But Judith Emmel, NSA spokeswoman, said the intelligence agency would not be
snooping on Americans in the United States.

"The National Security Agency operates in strict accordance with US laws and
regulations in protecting the privacy rights of US persons," she said. "Its
activities are conducted with the highest constitutional, legal, and ethical
standards."

The Newsweek article created a stir among some observers, who saw any link
between the NSA and FBI on domestic issues as opening the door to possible
infringement of individual rights to privacy.

Harvey Kushner, chair of the criminal justice department at Long Island
University, said if the NSA helped the FBI track terrorists in the United
States it would set "a dangerous precedent" and violate the agency's
mission.

"Do we really want the NSA to be spying on US citizens?" Kushner said in a
statement reacting to the article.

"Where will it stop? American public opinion over the years has
overwhelmingly spoken against covert and clandestine agencies mucking around
in domestic affairs," he said.

One intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, after making
checks expressed lack of knowledge of the memorandum of understanding that
Newsweek referred to in its article.

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #2 - y2k minus 23

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SkeptiNews 991209b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

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$ Nobody Pays Me For This: http://www.californiacarnivores.com
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Scientology denied charitable status. LONDON (AP) Govt officials denied
  the Church of Scientology charitable status, saying it does not provide
  any public services. Scientologists said they would appeal the decision
  of the Charity Commission, which regulates charities in England  Wales.
  The commission said the Elronners do not meet the essential test for cha-
  ritable status: "that of conferring public benefit." It said Scientology
  activities "were private in nature and in the benefit they delivered."
  Curses: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562515424-fbb

: Do you do the public a service by keeping your belief system's documents
secret? If you actually provided public results, would we all detest you?

@ Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Powerlines And Cancer:
  http://www.mcw.edu/gcrc/cop/powerlines-cancer-FAQ/toc.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Your face or mine? Ask a computer. (WSJ) Computerized face recognition,
  a staple of spy movies and science fiction, is increasingly part of the
  real world. http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,145009233,00.html

# Warning! Strange behaviour! Nobody sees the thief looking for a car to
  break into, or the woman steeling herself to jump in front of a train --
  but somehow the alarm is sounded. Enter a world where machines predict
  our every move: http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19991211/warningstr.html

: Do computers know more about you than you know about yourself? Is this a
good thing? If you knew yourself as well as computers do, could you stand
yourself? Do you wonder how computers, aliens, telepaths, put up with you?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Controversial Statue: Diana As Virgin Mary. LONDON (Reuters) A statue
  portraying Princess Diana as the Virgin Mary has sparked fury at an art
  exhibition exploring the idea that royal, sports and show business stars
  have replaced religion. http://news.excite.com/news/r/991209/08/odd-diana

# Carlos Santana's vision of the Virgin Mary - she spoke to him - pot is
  not a drug: http://news.excite.com/news/r/991208/23/life-mexico-santana

: Do you see and talk with sacred virgins very often? Do they offer pithy
advise? Do you worship celebrities? Are they more approachable than gods?

# Three Sentenced to Death for Child Sacrifice. ADDIS ABABA (Reuters)
  An Ethiopian court sentenced a flour mill owner, a sorceress and
  her friend to death for murdering a seven-year-old girl in a witch-
  craft rite: http://news.excite.com/news/r/991208/07/odd-sorceress
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Eye chip may help restore vision. (AP) Wireless video goggles and a laser-
  powered microchip stapled to the retina could someday give blind patients
  a small measure of sight. The intraocular retinal prosthesis or "eye chip"
  uses a small video camera in a set of goggles to send images to the micro-
  chip fastened to the back of the retina, forming images that can stimulate
  the retina and be "seen" by blind people. A direct connexion to the brain:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562510462-172

: Would you like some sensory prostheses? Should we all have implants to
extend our senses into ranges not covered by our wetware? What spectra would
you most like to directly sense? What senses are you better off without??

# Electronic neurons could speed up stroke patients' rehabilitation - TINY
  implants acting as artificial neurons could herald a breakthrough - shot
  directly into muscles: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/991208/18/cayv.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# China busts 103 Christians. BEIJING (AP) Chinese authorities have detained
  103 folks belonging to various Christian sects, expanding a crackdown that
  until now mostly targeted the Falun Gong spiritual movement. Since China's
  legislature tightened laws against cult activities in October, authorities
  have designated 10 groups not within mainstream Christianity as cults. The
  groups have a total membership of roughly 3 million people. A drop in the
  bucket: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562516399-0c1

: Are all non-sanctioned religions 'cults'? Are all sanctioned faiths tools?
Are religions the most cost-effective political tools? Are UFOlogy, NewAge-
ism, conspiratorialism, almost as good? What's your favorite macro-meme??

# PAT ROBERTSON SAYS BILL CLINTON'S "A GENIUS". Smart, yes, but with "the
  morals of an alley cat," the 700-Clubber says. Then he snorted some more
  cocaine: 

Re: [CTRL] Global Inequality. Capitalism at work.

[Michael A. Johnson]

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Joshua:
 Some facts to ponder for pro-Free Traders.
 World Trade Oragnisation: special report

MJ:
The WTO has nothing to do with free trade.

Regard$,
--MJ

The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly
evident which everybody has decided not to
see ...   -- Dominique Francon

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Re: [CTRL] He who pays the piper...Capitalism vs democracy.

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Joshua:
 US Firms Tell Congress to Back China-WTO


MJ:
You have posited several examples of Democracy (mob
rule), but no examples of Capitalism was this your
effort to point out the perils of Democracy?

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Re: [CTRL] $Capitalism at work.$

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Nurev Ind Research forwarded:
 Urgent Action: Brazil agrobusiness  ranchers in
 secret forest destruction deal

 Brazil agrobusiness and ranchers in secret forest
 destruction deal

 Vote to legalize massive new forest destruction could come
 tomorrow

MJ:
As is your typical effort ... you have again labeled an
apple as an orange ... attempting to discredit what you
clearly do not understand.

Regard$,
--MJ

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is no more effective way to limit thought than to
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[CTRL] Proof that Socialists still don't get it

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The Bradley Foundation sounds like a wonderful organization.

DBC

Summary of the September's Socialist Potluck
Phil Wilayto discussed his investigative report:
THE FEEDING TROUGH":
A look at the Bradley Foundation.
Also: The Bell Curve, and the real story behind Tommy Thompson's W-2.

With a half-billion dollars in assets, the Milwaukee-based Bradley
Foundation is the premier reactionary grantmaking foundation in the
country. It has played a major role in the development of both a
philosophical approach and an activist agenda for the national
pro-corporate conservative movement. Bradley is a leading force in a
constellation of other foundations, institutions, media networks and
legal action projects created to advance a racist, right-wing agenda.

For example:

Bradley is a major funding source for the Center for Individual
Rights, the public law firm that successfully argued Hopwood vs. the
State of Texas, a challenge to affirmative action policies at the
University of Texas Law School. That 1996 decision effectively
eliminated affirmative action in the state university systems of
Texas as well as in neighboring Mississippi and Louisania.  Through
its funding of the National Association of Scholars, Bradley played a
key role in last year'successful anti-affirmative action campaign.
The co-author of CCRI is Thomas Wood, executive director of the state
affiliate of the NAS, which receives over $100,000 a year from
Bradley.  As a result of these two Bradley initiatives, there has
been a sharp decline in the numbers of Black and Latino students
entering law school this fall in the university systems of California
and Texas, the country's two most populous states. Not only will
these mean a severe drop in the number of future Black and Latino
lawyers in those states, but also a reduction in the number of Black
and Latino elected officials as well, many of whom traditionally come
from a legal background.  Bradley money supports the Pacific Legal
Foundation, a right-wing legal advocacy group that provided pro bono
representation to California Gov. Pete Wilson in his challenge to
five state statutes dealing with affirmative action in state
employment and contracting goals.  A bill that would end affirmative
action on the federal level was drafted by Clint Bolick,
vice-president and director of litigation for the Institute for
Justice, another recipient of Bradley money. Earlier in his career,
Bolick led the legal defense for the first Wisconsin voucher law,
while working for the Landmark Legal Foundation, another Bradley
recipient.  Bolick also played a pivital role in behavioral
modification. The goal was not the "empowerment" of poor people
through acquiring jobs and independence, but rather their total
regulation, on the theory that these are basically inferior people
incapable of running thier own lives.  Attacks on Lani Guinier,
President Clinton's nominee to head the Justice Department's Civil
Rights Division. Bolick's Wall Street Journal opinion piece entiitled
"Clinton's Quota Queens" helped to throw the Guinier nomination on
the defensive. Bolick alsotad withdrew his nomination and today
proportional representation has suffered severe judicial defeats.  In
1992, Bradley gave $11,850 to author David Brock for the publication
of his work The Real Anita Hill: The Untold Story. The book, which
attacked Hill's credibility, was based on an article Brock wrote for
The American Spectator magazine, another Bradley grantee. These
attacks helped ensure the confirmation of jurist Clarence Thomas to
the U.S. Supreme Court, where he played a key role in continuing
attacks on affirmative action.  Bradley grants also support such
major right-wing groups as the American Enterprise Institute for
Public Policy Research, literary home for such racist authors as
Charles Murray (The Bell Curve) and Dinesh D'Souza (The End of
Racism).

The Bell Curve as an Ideological Justification for W-2

Charles Murray was the author of the book "Losing Ground," which
argued that poverty is the result of individual failings and that
anti-poverty programs such as welmed up with another Bradley-funded
organization, The Free Congress Foundation, to orchestrate further
attacks on Guinier. The nominee's crime was to suggest that
proportional reprrme diversity among state legislators and judges.
Responding to the attacks, 13,000 annually. After writing "Losing
Ground," Murray teamed up with Harvard psychologist and eugenisist
Richard Hernstein to write the book, The Bell Curve: Intelligence and
Class Structure in Amercian Life. The book argued that poverty is the
result, ot of social conditions or policies, but rather of the
supposidly inferior genetic traits of a sub-class of human beings. It
was widely seen as a piece of profoundly racist and classist
psuedo-science. Immediately after the book's publication, Bradley
raised Murray's annual grant to $163,000. Murray and Hernstein's
prescription for an end to povery and the 

[CTRL] Very Good TWA 800 Article/Edward Zehr

[Gavin Phillips]

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  http://twa800.com/news/ww11-15-99.htm
Going After Boeing

Washington Weekly – November 15, 1999

By EDWARD ZEHR

The Seattle Times recently took the Boeing company to task for engaging in "a quiet 
pursuit of far-fetched theories" regarding the crash of TWA Flight 800 in 1996 It 
seems that the company incurred the stern disapproval of the newspaper which noted 
that "Boeing has actually refused to rule out a bomb or missile in the July 1996 TWA 
crash." How gauche of Boeing not to snap to attention, click heels and salute smartly 
when the government barks an order. Once more our vaunted "free" press show themselves 
to be the government's obedient, fawning bootlickers. (With a few honorable 
exceptions, such as the Riverside Press-Enterprise, which reported on the glaring 
discrepancies in the government's account of the crash early on).

With all possible due deference to the editorial writers at the Seattle Times, who 
seem to have bestowed themselves honorary qualifications as aerospace experts almost 
as freely as Oxford cloaked its errant, one-time scholar, Bill Clinton, with an 
honorary doctorate as a consolation
prize for the one he failed to earn as a student there, what actual qualifications do 
they have to utter definitive opinions on so technical a subject? Do they really 
imagine that they are better qualified than Boeing's engineers to understand the 
subject matter? Ah, but Boeing has a vested interest in avoiding possible liability 
for the crash -- they are being sued by family members of some of the crash victims. I 
might add that an inveterate, kneejerk-liberal rag such as the Seattle Times also has 
a vested interest in covering up possible malfeasance by Clinton administration 
officials who have played fast and loose with the crash investigation from the very 
outset.

According to the November 8 Progressive Review, Boeing is presently "conducting 
chemical metallurgical tests, [and] reviewing FBI interviews with witnesses, many of 
whom saw something apparently streaking towards the plane before the crash."

Yes, it would be nice to know why more than a hundred eyewitnesses saw something 
streaking towards the plane just before the crash if, in fact, nothing was streaking 
towards the plane -- you know, abstruse technical considerations such as that.

Occasionally I get e-mail from people who wish to know why I sometimes inject 
psychological considerations into my commentary. The answer is, I do it because our 
present political dementia cannot be fully explained using logical considerations 
alone. I would cite, for example, the low comedy of hardcore administration supporters 
on Usenet (sort of the low-rent district of Internet) trying desperately to make sense 
of the fantasy leaked by government "investigators" to their pals in the mainstream 
media. The hallucination in question had to do with an "explanation" of the light seen 
streaking up toward the aircraft as streams of fuel from the plane's ruptured tanks 
which were somehow ignited and burned from the bottom up, appearing to those on the 
ground as the glow of a missile streaking up towards the plane.

Now, anyone who would believe so preposterous an "explanation" as that must have 
flunked high school physics. (Who takes physics in high school any more? It's far too 
difficult for the little sweethearts -- that's why our engineering and physical 
science graduate schools are chock-a-block with foreign students these days). Not that 
there is anything particularly technical about this issue. Even an individual so 
technically dim as a mainstream anchor person should be able to understand it, 
although none of them seemed to get it. Anyone with so much as half a brain and a 
smidgen of common sense ought to be able to figure out that fuel ejected into the  
atmosphere from a ruptured tank at hundreds of miles per hour is going to atomize and 
vaporize, not fall towards earth in neat little stream while trailing along behind the 
aircraft at full speed like a faithful little puppy dog. How did the Times 
characterize Boeing's investigation -- "a quiet pursuit of far-fetched theories"? I !
wonder if their editorial writers are familiar with the Arab expression, "to strain at 
a gnat and swallow a camel"?

As a one-time aerospace engineer with 35 years of experience, I guess the thing that 
bothers me most about TWA-800 is the number of aerospace professionals who simply do 
not believe the government's version of the mishap. Unfortunately, the writers at the 
Seattle Times seem to lack the intellectual honesty and personal integrity to 
acknowledge this, although they are certainly in a position to know about it. Instead 
of seeking the truth, they set about disinforming the public using snide innuendo, 
unsupported by verifiable facts, shrill name-calling (e.g. "paranoid conspiracy 
theorists") and very little else. All of this is done in pursuit of a smelly little 
hidden agenda which these 

[CTRL] BackStage.Com: News

[Kris Millegan]

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from:
http://www.backstage.com/news/ny/nyn19991208110141.asp
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B’way Dark New Year’s Eve
By Robert Windeler
While greater Times Square teems with an estimated one to two million outdoor
revelers the evening of Dec. 31, they will find precious little to do indoors
in the area should the weather turn cold or they just tire of waiting for the
2000 ball to drop.

“Broadway is closed; all shows have cancelled their performances,” a
spokeswoman for The League of American Theatres and Producers confirmed to Bac
k Stage—even “Waiting in the Wings,” which producer Alexander Cohen earlier
had said would buck the trend and go on.
Actors’ Equity earlier had agreed to forego the contracted penalty for the
lost performance, but they and the other performance unions now have agreed
to substitute an extra matinee or other performance before or after New
Year’s to make up for the lost New Year’s Eve show.

Penalties paid to the unions for cancelled shows could have doubled any
show’s losses for the evening, which traditionally feature inflated ticket
prices.

The replacement performances “are all different,” the league spokeswoman said.
“The Lion King” will hold a matinee performance the afternoon of Fri., Dec.
31, instead of that evening.

Virtually all office buildings and many restaurants in the area will be
closed all day Friday, an informal survey showed, in anticipation of the
biggest New Year’s crowds ever at what has become the world-wide focus of
year-turning celebrations. Tens of millions of people throughout the world, in
 whatever time zone, watch the ball dropping at the former Times Tower at the
intersection of Broadway, Seventh Avenue and 42nd Street.

Yet the “live” crowds at Times Square may prove to be less than anticipated.
Many area hotels have not sold out of their so-called “Millennium Eve”
packages, and private apartments on the rental market for the long New Year’s
weekend have proved a complete bust, realty sources said. [The new millennium
actually begins Jan. 1, 2001.]

As further evidence that many will be staying home or otherwise celebrating
quietly despite the hype, the long-touted, three-star gala scheduled for ten
blocks south of Times Square, at the Javits Center, has been cancelled.
Promoter Steven Leber had hoped to downsize it to a less grand venue, but the
withdrawal of Sting before the cancellation of Celebration 2000 insured that
that was not going to happen.
The two remaining headliners will resurface under their existing contracts
with Leber. The blind Italian tenor Andrea Bocelli, who was paid a reported
$3 million, will now sing at the Nassau Coliseum. Aretha Franklin, the third
star, will perform somewhere live for the ABC television cameras. ABC had the
rights to the Javits gala, and will send a crew to Long Island to shoot
Bocelli’s segment.

Despite the dampened enthusiasm for the turn to 2000, the Times Square area
is expected to be inaccessible for many hours before and after midnight on
Dec. 31. The decision to close most theatres was taken after the New York
Police Department requested the measure in the interests of public safety. An
estimated total Broadway audience of 40,000 would have been entering and
leaving the theatres this New Year’s Eve.

A usual New Year’s Eve crowd in the 1980s and 1990s has been estimated at
500,000. (Earlier estimates were later discredited as inflated.)
Traditionally, New Year’s Eve at a Broadway show has been a festive way to
celebrate, in black-tie dress. While most Broadway productions had not
previously announced their plans for this Dec. 31, “Chicago” had begun to
sell tickets for that night more than 22 months ago, at $200 each in the
orchestra.

Full refunds have been given to “Chicago” ’s Dec. 31 ticket-holders, and
patrons were offered complimentary tickets to another performance of the
musical, with a choice of dates. The move could result in the loss of as much
as $250,000 in ticket income at the 1,500-seat Shubert Theatre.



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[CTRL] ABRAHAM ZAPRUDER: LOOK at HIM, not his film (fwd)

[Bill Kingsbury]

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 - forwarded message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999
 Subj: ABRAHAM ZAPRUDER: LOOK at HIM, not his "film"

 COMMUNIQUE  #2226
 -

 ABRAHAM ZAPRUDER: a CLOSER LOOK
 ---

 CAVEAT LECTOR:

 Lo and Behold, will wonder ever cease ?
 Any thoughts/facts pro or con are invited.

 Amazing Web Of

 Abraham Zapruder -
 The Man Who Filmed
 JFK's Death

 From Gregory Burnham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 12-1-99


 Consider the following:

 Abraham Zapruder-White Russian affiliation, 32nd
 degree Mason, active MEMBER of 2 CIA Proprietary
 Organizations: The Dallas Council On World Affairs and
 The Crusade For A Free Europe;

 These two organizations were CIA (backed) Domestic
 Operations in Dallas whose membership included:

 Abraham Zapruder, Clint Murchison, Mr. Byrd, (owner of
 the Texas School Book Depository), Sarah Hughes, who
 swore LBJ in as the 36th President while Air Force One
 was still on the ground in Dallas, George
 DeMohrenschildt, (CIA contract agent AND best friend
 of LHO), George Bush (also close friend of George
 DeMohrenschildt), Neil Mallon, (mentor that Bush named
 his son, Neil, after), H.L. Hunt,  Demitri Von
 Mohrenschildt (George D's brother).

 In 1953 and 1954 a woman named, Jeanne LeGon worked
 SIDE by SIDE with Abraham Zapruder at a high end
 clothing design firm called, Nardis of Dallas. Jeanne
 LeGon designed the clothing and Abraham Zapruder cut
 the patterns and the material for her.

 Incidentally, Abraham Zapruder's obituary mis-states
 the date/year that he departed Nardis of Dallas,
 incorrectly citing 1949. The correct year was 1959,
 [the same year that his "partner in design" Jeanne
 LeGon became known as, Jean LeGon DeMohrenschildt...
 She had married Lee Oswald's BEST FRIEND (to be), CIA
 Contract Agent, George DeMohrenschildt!]

 Lyndon Baines Johnson's personal secretary, Marie
 Fehmer, who flew back to Washington on Air Force One
 with LBJ on 11-22-1963, just happens to be the
 daughter of Olga Fehmer, currently living in Tyler,
 Texas. Olga Fehmer ALSO worked at Nardis of Dallas
 with Abraham Zapruder and Jean LeGon DeMohrenshildt.

 ==

 QUICK REVIEW:

 Olga Fehmer, the mother of LBJ's future personal
 secretary, (Marie) worked closely with the man who
 would later capture the assassination on film: Abraham
 Zapruder, in the same city of Dallas.

 George DeMohrenschildt's future wife Jeanne LeGon,
 also worked at NARDIS of Dallas, the city in which
 LHO's best friend and rabid anti-communist White
 Russian, George DeMohrenshildt - would convince Lee
 Oswald and his White Russian wife, Marina, to
 eventually reside.

 =


 (continuing)

 The Oswald's spent time together in the Soviet Union
 during their "courtship" -- much if not most of that
 time was spent in the city of Minsk, which is where
 George DeMohrenshildt and his brother, Demitri Von
 Mohrenschildt, grew up, after fleeing the place of
 their birth, Mozyr, which was often mistakenly thought
 to have been a part of Poland.

 Abraham Zapruder's co-worker, Jeanne LeGon and her
 husband George DeMohrenschildt introduced Lee Oswald
 to the daughter of one of George DeMohrenshildt's
 close friends, Ruth Paine. Ruth Paine's husband,
 Michael, whose step-father, Arthur Young collaborated
 with none other than Lyndon Baines Johnson's personal
 pilot, Joseph Mashman, to develop "BELL" helicopter,
 was employed by Bell at the time of the assassination.
 3,000-5,000 BELL helicopters were lost in Viet Nam and
 BELL's stockholders made a fortune replacing them.

 In September of 1976, George DeMohrenschildt was
 subjected to 9 electro-shock treatments at Parkland
 Hospital under the order given by one, Doctor
 DeLoach... first cousin of FBI Assisstant Director
 Cartha D. "Deke" DeLoach. His "doctor of record", Dr.
 Mendoza, ordered the administration of intravenous
 "drugs" upon DeMohrenschildt's being committed to
 Parkland Hospital for, "mental problems" - but, it was
 DeLoach that ordered the Electro-Shock Therapy. This
 episode occured during the time that George Bush was
 the Director of Central Intelligence and within weeks
 of DeMohrenshildt's having written a manuscript for a
 book entitled, "I Am A Patsy! I Am A Patsy!" which
 named names of various CIA and FBI personnel who
 framed Oswald to cover their tracks in the
 assassination of John F. Kennedy.

 There is an "extant" version of this manuscript
 floating around the net [which is possibly a creation
 of a good forgerer like E. H. HUNT].

 On March 29, 1977... the same day DeMohrenschildt
 agreed to an interview with the HSCA, George
 DeMohrenschildt was found dead of a shotgun blast
 through his mouth by his daughter, Alexandra. His
 death was ruled a suicide.

 In 1964, a CIA report states that: "[she] was being
 monitored by CIA's James Jesus Angleton because she
 was 

[CTRL] Needed!! Data on cell phone proliferation (fwd)

[Bill Kingsbury]

 -Caveat Lector-

  forwarded message(s) 
 From: "Roy L. Beavers" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To:   emfguru [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:42:50 -0600 (CST)
 Subj: Needed!! Data on cell phone proliferation (Hargreaves)..


 Courtesy of EMF-L..

 Roy Beavers (EMFguru)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 NEW!!!  Website www.emfguru.com

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: nigel^E [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To:   R Beavers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 11:08:17 +
 Subj: Data on cell phone proliferation

 Dear Roy

 I'm looking for data or statistics revealing the
 proliferation of cell phone technology.  For example the
 historical and  estimated growth of handset and tower
 numbers, perhaps even by country or continent, if not
 globally.  Do you have any ready numbers up your sleeve, or
 sites I could look at for these figures?  I would also need
 references to the origin of the data, wherever it comes from.

 Best wishes
 Nigel Hargreaves

 PS  Only 2 replies (Alasdair and Ingrid) to my recent mail
 about why not more research is being done on real cell phone
 wave profiles.  I guess folks, like me, don't have the answer
 to such simple questions.  Are we being stitched up by the
 industry, and mugged in the lab?



 ~~~
 From: "Roy L. Beavers" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To:   emfguru [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:31:07 -0600 (CST)
 Subj: RE: Needed!! Data on cell phone proliferation
(Hargreaves)(Baumann)..


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: "Baumann, Joseph J." [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To:   "'Roy L. Beavers'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:26:10 -0600
 Subj: RE: Needed!! Data on cell phone proliferation (Hargreaves)..


 Possibly Art Furstenberg might have this data.  Since he is
 at the helm of the legal battle I'm sure he would have data.
 Locating him will be a problem but not impossible.  US Mail
 is appropriate as he does not use computer or cell phone etc
 since he feels that it violates his values and beliefs.  Roy,
 do you have his address.  Also, how about Micro-Wave News out
 of NYC.

 Joe Baumann



 ~~~
 From: "Roy L. Beavers" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To:   emfguru [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:14:37 -0600 (CST)
 Subj: Data concerning cell phone tower numbers (Scherer)..


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: "Wolfgang W.Scherer" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:42:21 +
 Subj: your EMF _L message

 Dear Nigel

 Those data are somehow "closely guarded" -- others, even city
 planners tried the same before you -- without success.

 The explosion of the tower-network is a known fact -- but the
 government offices at least in our countries treat those data
 in total as confidential (claiming privacy protection in
 concern of the industry).

 You may be able as local resident to obtain a very slow and
 incomplete response from your local office, but they have
 permanently to date "sabotaged" the compilation of numbers
 of towers and the EMF densities to show a map for instance
 (maybe only because they failed to obtain them themselves --
 in the rush to sell licenses).

 In Canada some people are said to try now using the "Freedom
 of Information Act" to force our government to disclose all
 such data -- eventually to admit they don't have any --
 because they neglected to follow their own rules themselves
 -- which would then be a clear violation of the regulations
 -- since those require such data to be obtained and checked
 BEFORE approving a license -- exactly that has not be done in
 many cases and they grapple now how to hide their obvious
 negligence.

 But admission of that -- which consequently would mean having
 to suspend or revoke licenses -- could have severe
 "astronomical" compensation claims on part of the industry
 against the government -- so the cellphone compamies have the
 government in their pockets -- "moneywise"

 It was a simple "push over"  and we pay all for that --
 but who was it who said: "NOTHING in politics happens without
 a plan" (Roosevelt??)  Therefore you can be assured someone
 has planned that "push-over" and executed it with near
 perfection .

 Good luck in your search
 Wolfgang



 Wolfgang W. Scherer
 Picton,Ontario  Canada

 ICQ 6798479
 http://www.reach.net/~scherer/p/



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 NEW website
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Re: [CTRL] Data concerning cell phone tower numbers (fwd)

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  forwarded message 
 From: "Roy L. Beavers" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To:   emfguru [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:08:32 -0600 (CST)
 Subj: Re: Data concerning cell phone tower numbers (Scherer)(Kelley)..

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 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Libby Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 13:43:46 -0800
 Subj: Re: Data concerning cell phone tower numbers (Scherer)..

 Dear Nigel:

 You asked for some numbers of cell towers in the various countries.
 I would have trouble answering that question for these reasons:

 1.  Wireless technology is intended to be ubiquitous as the air we
 breathe.  In fact the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
 just released a new product called "Oxygen" (see one of the summer
 1999 issues of Scientific American) which allows the user, using a
 hand held device, to dial up any number of frequencies and tune
 into email, TV, radio, pager or internet, etc.  The utility of this
 device depends on the availability of signal -- everywhere.

 2.  So far, an attempt is being made to camoflage the location of
 these towers and antennas, for aesthetic reasons, we are assured.
 Some areas of the US now have vistas with views including towers in
 every direction.  These are particularly noticeable in rural flat
 areas.  Northern Virginia, where I visited recently has some
 enormous towers planted right in the middle of some of the towns --
 truly ugly.  In my area, Marin County, there are towers on major
 hilltops and ridges and more to come.  Of course folks see the
 towers.  What they do not see are all the micro-cell antennas along
 the public utility right of way, built into newly constructed
 buildings or existing buildings, built into church towers, hidden
 on rooftops, throughout the transportation systems, in tunnels and
 on bridges.  Microcell transmitters on portable equipment, fixed
 wireless, broadband... This technology intends to be everywhere.

 3.   The industry, who are licensed for a geographical area, build
 out in this area.  They claim they must hold local government
 accountable for not releasing these locations for propriatary
 reasons.  They do not want their competitors to learn their
 locations.  Locating antennas would not be a difficult feat for
 this industry as they have the right equipment to measure
 frequencies by source.

 4.  The EMR Network now offers a link to two FCC search databases:
 one maintained by the FCC, which is rather unwieldy.  The other,
 operated by Percon, a commercial enterprise.  You can search by
 geographical location and frequency.  They have a disclaimer about
 any errors or omissions.  Go to  http://www.emrnetwork.org

 5.  Then there are the military and other classified installations,
 the satellites and private, unlicensed facilities... plus a great
 deal that I probably do not know about.

 6. Who knows what is out there and what we are being involuntarily
 exposed to?

 7.  What does the research tell us?

 Neil Cherry, in his report of June, 1998, "Actual of potential
 effects of ELF and RF/MW radiation on accelerating aging of human,
 animal or plant cells" which reports and summarizes the major EMF
 research up to that time, states:  "There is strong evidence that
 ELF and RF/MW is associated with accelerated aging (enhanced cell
 death and cancer) and moods, depression, suicide, anger, rage and
 violence, primarily through alteration of cellular calcium ions and
 the melatonin/serotonin balance."

 8.  What do we do about our concerns about these involuntary
 exposures?

 You mention the federal court case (Cellular Phone Task Force et
 al. vs, FCC).  That case is still with the U.S. Court of Appeals.
 I have attached a press release (below) which describes the case.
 Arthur Firstenberg's phone number is listed there -- 817-434-4499,
 leave messages and he will contact you.  The case is actually four
 appeals which have been joined at by the federal court.  Filing
 similar appeals are the Ad Hoc Association of Parties Concerned
 about the FCC's Health and Safety Guidelines, a group of citizens
 and professional concerned about radiofrequency radiation,
 representing 54 co-petitioners and, the Communications Workers of
 America, a labor union which represents 400,000 telecommunications
 workers.  We are still awaiting the court decision.  It has been a
 record setting 8 months since the oral arguments in the 2nd
 circuit, in New York.  Any decision favoring the petitioner's
 claims in this combined appeal will almost certainly be appealed by
 the FCC and/or its intervenors at the Supreme Court level.  We are
 told that the telecommunications industry, the federal 

[CTRL] Fwd: violence in Seattle

[nessie]

 -Caveat Lector-

THE VIOLENCE IN SEATTLE
OK: we've heard what you, the professionals (the professional newspaper
writers, television commentators, politicians and leftist activists) think
about the violence in Seattle this past week.

Apparently a diverse group -- indeed, the leftist activists among your
ranks would have it believed that they are not part of and are actually
opposed to the politics of the mainstream writers, commentators and
politicians -- you have nevertheless reached consensus, which you are now
repeating on every occasion and on all channels, as if there could be no
disagreement: the violence in Seattle was perpetrated by protesters against
property; the violence was regrettable, counter-productive, stupid and
ineffective; the violence was caused by a small "isolated" group of
protesters, upon whom you have poured insults, calumnies and contempt; the
protesters who self-righteously denounced and tried to detain "the violent
anarchists" were courageous and brave, even heroes; and the police should
have reserved their armoured personnel carriers, three-foot-long solid-oak
clubs, pepper spray, tear gas, and rubber bullets for the violent
protesters, and let the non-violent protesters alone.
OK: we've heard what you've said; now shut the fuck up, if only for a
second, and let other voices be heard.

We, like the rioters in Seattle, are sick and tired of your monopolization
of communication when it comes to the pressing issues of the day. Despite
what you tell us, we know that you do not speak for us and your opinions do
not represent what we think. This is especially true for the professional
leftist activists who actually defended Starbucks and Niketown against
attack, and now feel no shame in proudly reporting this ignominious fact to
whomever will listen. These activists, some of whom have in the past
actually pretended to protest against Starbucks and Nike, have
nevertheless, at the most basic level, always defended them. But now these
phony revolutionaries have visibly become what they essentially always
were. The hypocrisy of the professional newspaper writers, television
commentators, and politicians -- as well as their eager collaboration with
the police and special services -- are well known; we intend to make the
hypocrisy and collaboration of the "anti-violence" leftists infamous.
But, first and foremost, we must declare our unconditional support for the
anarchists, who came to Seattle armed with a well-thought out form of
protest that is different from and intended as an explicit alternative to
those forms of protest practiced by the conventional leftist groups
(rallies, marches, demonstrations, sit-ins, die-ins, street theater and
"festival"). The anarchists -- an organic community able to take organized,
collective and militant action against their real enemies -- formed
themselves into "black blocks" (so named for the black clothes and masks
the anarchists wore) and systematically attacked unoccupied corporate chain
stores such as McDonalds, the Gap, Nike, Nordstrom, Levi, and Disney, as
well as the notoriously corrupt Bank of America. That is to say, the
anarchists -- unsatisfied with protesting indirectly against an abstraction
-- directly attacked the physical manifestations in real space of "the
global economy" to which the World Trade Organization is committed to
furthering, not people or "mom and pop" stores.

Adherents to non-violent protest methods have always preached in the most
self-righteous of tones against the strategy of targeting corporate
property. We feel that their "morality" is actually an uncritical
acceptance of the essence of corporate ideology, which elevates fictional
corporate entities to the status of human beings, violently imposes an
identity between these two categories of "persons," and thus demands "equal
protection" under the law for both. Because corporations (only) serve the
interests of certain individuals, the inevitable result of this "equal
protection for all" is actually double-protection for corporate "persons"
and no protection for real ones. The destruction of corporate property is
the positive affirmation of autonomous human society and its right to be in
control of its institutions, rather than be controlled by them.

But, this time, in Seattle, the "moral" non-violent protesters did more
than preach to the unconverted: they actually acted like cops until the
real cops came and took over. Using their numerical advantage, the
non-violent protesters surrounded, denounced, un-masked, beat up and
actually turned over to the police the practitioners of violent protest. In
doing so, the "moral majority" among the anti-WTO protesters not only
helped the police and the National Guard do their dirty work, but they also
assisted in the larger and more long-term effort to criminalize radical
political philosophies that is taking place all over this country and
through-out the rest of the world. Ironically, the "moral majority" was

[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Re: McVeigh's Israeli terrorist double

[Kris Millegan]

From: "JP Viken" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Remember this, no covert op is ever turned loose on assignment unless there
are "crediting" and "discrediting" mechanisms in place. A certain ddo we all
know of set up these sophisticated procedures which consist of:  pre-release
identification of nearly identical appearing doubles, some operations folk
and some not;  the nonoperational folks can be used to do walk bys under
bank video cams and be seen by witnesses to establish a alibis and create
much confusion, and the operations doubles can be used to "set up" or
discredit the op by placing him at certain crime scenes to be held "in the
can" until and if needed to discredit the person.  The mcviegh second was
allegedly a d.f. covert op from ft. hood who looked very similar to mcviegh.
If you doubt what I am stating here (and this come straight from a retired,
seasoned covert op) look carefully at the "arrested tramp" photos from the
jfk wetop. Look at all the talk about hunt vs. a double, sturgis vs.
harelson--see the b.s. pushed in weberman's book.   Consider all the
confusion about oswald's doubles, see nagel's book the man who knew too
much, and vankin's book, conspiracies, etc.etc. etc.   Remember any covert
op is an operation and certain experts must be called in as required by
highly classified procedural manuals:  you must have the planners who get
the plan signed off on with a finding order--you must have the field
operations folk; you must have the communications folk; you must have the
information control (usually this means disinformation) folk (approx 20% of
any op is for disinformation); you must have the finance folk. Major ops
must have perpetuity or trust fund financing, like the jfk, rfk, and mlk
hits, so that any serious investigations can be discredited, intercepted and
sideswiped (eg the law firm in dallas which is funded in perpetity like a
cemetary and emplys lots of "retired" and active c*a, F*i, d*a covert
operators to control the measured elease of facts accompanied by the
measured release of misinformation.  Remember fiel ops have become a highly
developed methodology.  It's the same stuff over and over again.   Remember,
all serious operations have many deflections in the can ready to be
activated later if needed. File this under sources and methods.
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [CIA-DRUGS] Re: McVeigh's Israeli terrorist double


 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 You aren't saying that Strassmeir was McVeigh's double, are you? Because
they
 don't look anything alike. Strassmeir did leave the country when the feds
 were supposedly on his heels. He caught a Lufthansa flight to Mexico City
 from whence he flew to Hamburg. That was @ 6 weeks after the bombing.

 Odom

 

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[CTRL] Virgin of Guadalupe.

[earthman]

 -Caveat Lector-

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DEAR RUMOR MILL READERS, I have had a request from my readers who are on
WebTV.  They have asked me to please send everything I post on the Rumor
Mill News Forum to the OneList email group.  I did not realize that a lot of
people are not able to get on the Forum.  From now on will will send my
Forum posts to the onelist.com.list

From the Rumor Mill News Forum RELIGIOUS MIRACLE OR THE START OF THE NEW
RELIGION Posted By: Rayelan Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, 9
December 1999, at 7:12 p.m.

IS THE VOICE OF THE VIRGIN OF GUADALUPE A RELIGIOUS MIRACLE?

OR IS THE NEW WORLD ORDER USING MIND CONTROL TECHNOLOGY TO MAKE A FAMOUS
ROCK STAR BELIEVE THE VIRGIN SPOKE TO HIM?

Yesterday the newspapers in England were filled with stories about the anger
the British are feeling because of a statue of Princess Diana dressed as the
Virgin Mary.

Today in Mexico, rock legend Carlos Santana, says he has spoken to Mexico's
most revered religious figure-- the Virgin of Guadeloupe.

In my book, Diana, Queen of Heaven, The New World Religion-- I predicted
that the New World Order would use electronic voice to skull technology to
"beam"
voices into people's heads--- making them believe that they have heard the
voice of a messiah-- or in this case, a Saint.

In the past two days, there have been two incidents that were predicted in
my book Diana, Queen of Heaven.

I think we are are the fast track to a New World Religion.  The main point
that I made in the book is that government and religion would merge into one
entity.

I now see that the entity will resemble a cross between the Catholic Church
of the dark ages and Inquisition, and Mao's communist China.  We will live
in a world where government regulations will be replaced by church doctrine.
If you break church doctrine, you don't go to jail, you will be banished,
tortured or burned at the stake.



Mexican rock star Santana says "spoke to Virgin" Updated 11:34 PM ET
December
8, 1999 By Karina Balderas MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Mexican rock legend
Carlos Santana said Wednesday he had spoken to Mexico's most revered
religious figure -- the Virgin of Guadalupe -- while praying.

Santana, who rose to fame with hits like "Black Magic Woman" and recently
headed the Billboard magazine "Top 100" chart with his album "Supernatural,"
also declared that marijuana was not a drug.

The 52-year-old rock star told a packed news conference -- characterized by
a strong stench of incense -- in a top Mexico City hotel that the Virgin of
Guadalupe, the Mexican version of the Virgin Mary, "spoke to him" while he
was praying in church.

"My heart was transformed into a bird of fire that only wanted to fly and go
toward her," said Santana, who played his wailing guitar at Woodstock in
1969.

"I started to cry -- I'd never cried in my life -- and she said, 'Calm down,
breathe, I am very proud and happy with you,"' Santana said.

"When the mother of Guadalupe tells you this, you are alive," Santana added.
He did not say exactly when the conversation occurred.

The Virgin's image is jealously guarded in Mexico, where she is seen as a
symbol of nationhood.

Santana's words came just four days before millions of Mexicans start their
annual pilgrimage to the Basilica of Guadalupe, in the north of Mexico City,
where according to legend the Virgin appeared to the Indian Juan Diego in
1531.

Santana dedicated his new album to "God, who put me in touch with angels,
outside and inside my eyes."

Reporters at the meeting to promote a concert in Mexico City Friday appeared
skeptical of the rocker's words, one saying: "The Virgin didn't even say so
much to Juan Diego." Another suggested Santana may have been under the
influence of drugs.

Santana went on to discuss the merits of marijuana.

"Marijuana is not a drug and if factories are set up here to make clothes,
tofu cheese, medicine and paper from marijuana, we won't have to chop down
so many trees," said the singer, prompting confused looks from his
assistants.






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[CTRL] Monsanto Government Regulatory Agency Employees Are The Same People!!

[earthman]

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- Original Message - From: RJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RJ
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 6:10 PM Subject:
[earthchanges] Monsanto  Government Regulatory Agency Employees Are The
Same People!!


From: RJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] from:
http://www.sightings.com/politics5/sham.htm Monsanto  Government Regulatory
Agency Employees Are The Same People!!
From Peter Khaled [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.purefood.org/Monsanto/revolvedoor.cfm
12-9-99 from:  http://www.sightings.com/politics5/sham.htm David W.  Beier .
.  .former head of Government Affairs for Genentech, Inc., .  .  .now chief
domestic policy advisor to Al Gore, Vice President of the United States.

Linda J.  Fisher .  .  .former Assistant Administrator of the United States
Environmental Protection Agency's Office of Pollution Prevention,
Pesticides, and Toxic Substances, .  .  .now Vice President of Government
and Public Affairs for Monsanto Corporation.

Michael A.  Friedman, M.D.  .  .  former acting commissioner of the United
States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Department of Health and Human
Services .  .  .now senior vice-president for clinical affairs at G.  D.
Searle  Co., a pharmaceutical division of Monsanto Corporation.

L.  Val Giddings .  .  .  former biotechnology regulator and (biosafety)
negotiator at the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA/APHIS), .  .
.now Vice President for Food  Agriculture of the Biotechnology Industry
Organization (BIO).

Marcia Hale .  .  .  former assistant to the President of the United States
and director for intergovernmental affairs, .  ..now Director of
International Government Affairs for Monsanto Corporation.

Michael (Mickey) Kantor.  .  .  former Secretary of the United States
Department of Commerce and former Trade Representative of the United States,
.  .  .now member of the board of directors of Monsanto Corporation.

Josh King .  .  .  former director of production for White House events, .
.  .  now director of global communication in the Washington, D.C.  office
of Monsanto Corporation.

Terry Medley .  .  .  former administrator of the Animal and Plant Health
Inspection Service (APHIS) of the United States Department of Agriculture,
former chair and vice-chair of the United States Department of Agriculture
Biotechnology Council, former member of the U.S.  Food and Drug
Administration (FDA)
food advisory committee, .  .  .  and now Director of Regulatory and
External Affairs of Dupont Corporation's Agricultural Enterprise.

Margaret Miller .  .  .  former chemical laboratory supervisor for Monsanto,
.  .  .now Deputy Director of Human Food Safety and Consultative Services,
New Animal Drug Evaluation Office, Center for Veterinary Medicine in the
United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA).*

Michael Phillips .  .  .  recently with the National Academy of Science
Board on Agriculture .  .  .  now head of regulatory affairs for the
Biotechnology Industry Organization.

William D.  Ruckelshaus .  .  .  former chief administrator of the United
States Environmental Protection Agency (USEPA), .  .  .now (and for the past
12 years) a member of the board of directors of Monsanto Corporation.

Michael Taylor .  .  .  former legal advisor to the United States Food and
Drug Administration (FDA)'s Bureau of Medical Devices and Bureau of Foods,
later executive assistant to the Commissioner of the FDA, .  .  .
still later a partner at the law firm of King  Spaulding where he
supervised a nine-lawyer group whose clients included Monsanto Agricultural
Company, .  .  .  still later Deputy Commissioner for Policy at the United
States Food and Drug Administration, .  .  .  and later with the law firm of
King  Spaulding.  .  .  .  now head of the Washington, D.C.
office of Monsanto Corporation.*

Lidia Watrud .  .  .  former microbial biotechnology researcher at Monsanto
Corporation in St.  Louis, Missouri, .  .  .now with the United States
Environmental Protection Agency Environmental Effects Laboratory, Western
Ecology Division.

Jack Watson.  .  .former chief of staff to the President of the United
States, Jimmy Carter, .  .  .now a staff lawyer with Monsanto Corporation in
Washington, D.C.

Clayton K.  Yeutter .  .  .  former Secretary of the U.S.  Department of
Agriculture, former U.S.  Trade Representative (who led the U.S.  team in
negotiating the U.S.  Canada Free Trade Agreement and helped launch the
Uruguay Round of the GATT negotiations), now a member of the board of
directors of Mycogen Corporation, whose majority owner is Dow AgroSciences,
a wholly owned subsidiary of The Dow Chemical Company.

Larry Zeph .  .  .  former biologist in the Office of Prevention,
Pesticides, and Toxic Substances, U.S.  Environmental Protection Agency, .
.  .  now Regulatory Science Manager at Pioneer Hi-Bred International.

*Margaret Miller, Michael Taylor, and Suzanne Sechen (an FDA "primary
reviewer for all rbST and other dairy drug production applications" )
were the