[CTRL] The Posting below a mistake
-Caveat Lector- Actually, I was trying to put this is my mail box to keep and it came to you. Birds Private Mail Welcome A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Space Warfare j2
-Caveat Lector- tenebroust wrote: -Caveat Lector- Perhaps you are right and this is not inevitable, but as fo probability I'd say you are on the losing end, since it seems to me that it is HIGHLY probable that we already deploy weapons into space on some level and have been for some time. In fact it is more probable that we do than that we do not. Whether it would continue or escalate is a matter of varying probability, but I think this is one that is probably already moot. === You could very well be right. But that doesn't mean that we should make it easy for them. If the people of the world decide to make it illegal, then they would have to dismantle it or at least severely restrict its use. J2 On Sun, 07 January 2001, Nurev Ind Research wrote: -Caveat Lector- John Cone wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message this date, Nurev writes: SPACE MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE MILITARIZED!!! BY ANYONE!!! Nurev _ Nakano replies: During World War I, in the early days of military aviation, airplanes were first used for observation and they were not armed. The pilots for the two sides would actually wave to each other as they flew around to view and photograph the lines of defense and deployments. Then the airmen began carrying pistols and rifles in their airplanes and they would take shots at the enemy aircraft. A little later, they began carrying bombs (some weighing up to 25 pounds), and hand dropping them on the enemy troops below. It wasn't long before airplanes became weapons of war. In the early days of the "Space Age", satellites were used for observation. Early manned spacecraft were not armed Bottom line is this: The militarization of space is already well underway and it will accelerate. It is inevitable. Regards Nakano Only death is inevetable. Everything else has varying degrees of likelyhood. Weapons in space are not inevetable. But they would sure like you to think so. J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL
[CTRL] [Fwd: End Star Wars Boondoggle]
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: End Star Wars Boondoggle Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 22:41:57 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Deja.com To: undisclosed-recipients:; The following letter was published in The Hartford Courant on 6 Jan 2001 and is posted at: http://www.ctnow.com/scripts/editorial.dll? bfromind=1853eeid=3782173eetype=articlerender=yck=userid=297480499 userpw=.uh=297480499,2,ver=2.11 Caspar Weinberger was the most wasteful secretary of defense in U.S. history. Will there be another major plunder of the U.S. Treasury under Rumsfeld? Domenico Rosa -- Time To End Star Wars Boondoggle The Bush administration's plan to continue the Star Wars project must be stopped [news story, Dec. 29, "Rumsfeld Picked For Defense; Government Veteran Asked To Reshape Role Of U.S. Military"]. Since Ronald Reagan's presidency, about $55 billion has been spent on this project without a single piece of operational hardware yet produced. The Clinton administration wasted another $6.6 billion on this discredited program. According to the Senate's General Accounting Office report of May 7, 1997, at least $43 billion of the military budget was simply "missing and unaccounted for." Where is Rush Limbaugh's outrage on this one? This was at a time when Republicans were claiming that President Clinton had stripped the military of resources. In an era when suitcase-sized nuclear bombs can easily be left in bus terminal lockers, this type of missile defense system, along with the submarine and land-launched nuclear missiles, can have no value except, as The Courant noted, to bring profit to the weapons-making corporations of Connecticut and other states. Let's demand accountability from Washington as to where the money spent on Star Wars has gone and then move to end this waste of resources that are needed for constructive purposes. David M. Lazarus, Willimantic Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israel Confirms Liquidation Policy - Arafat NotRuledOut
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 01/07/2001 12:30:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There " were." That's the operative word. They haven't lived there since before the last half of the last century yet you make it seem like last year. Why are YOU comfortable living on Indian land? Why don't some of you give up your homes to the Mexican families of the Southwest whose lands your ancestors stole, chiseled, and started wars for? Why don't you give up your home to a nice Indian or Mexican family and get the hell back to Europe where you came from? It's real big of you to feel self righteous about expecting that from someone else when you don't even think about doing it yourself. Why don't you clean your own house before you stick your nose into some body else's business half a world away. It is strange then that Palestinians speak of losing olive trees that they have harvested for eons. Palestine was not a barren country awaiting settlement. There were many people who lived there. Most of them do not live there now. I have a little experience with borders. I lived an hour by truck from the Iraqui border with Turkey. It was not a completely comfortable place to be during the Gulf War. No I am not happy to be living on Indian land. I'm the second generation to be born in the United States, so I at least do not have to know that my people had a hand in the tormenting, killing and maneuvering of the people who lived in this country when the settlers arrived. They too were reviled for defending their land from invading strangers. And you're right to bring it up, because it is the exact same thing. It is something we can deplore, but we cannot change it and would not if we could. People will have land, and they will take it at every opportunity. What Israel is and has done is perfectly normal. If they wish to survive they must do exactly what they are doing. The Palestinians, however, have a right to fight even though they will lose. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (CTRL) Has America lost its Goodness?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 01/07/2001 5:02:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You've made some very good observations and comments here. Things were very different before WWII. Government wasn't involved in every aspect of our lives. Actually I was thinking of even earlier. We've been doing a lot of genealogy, and time and again we find the acts and attitudes I mentioned. Diphtheria goes through and the census records take an odd turn with five kids under ten years living with a family whose name is totally different. The info is found in all kinds of places. It doesn't seem to have much to do with politics, but you're right the government didn't have all those controlling agencies set up to insist that no one could move to help anyone unless it was sanctioned by whomever. I have a girlfriend whose father used to pick up stray children whenever he went to town for supplies. Seems they lived on an island in Washington State. He brought them home where they lived with his own children until they wanted to leave. She said that when the family has a reunion there might be three hundred people there, because the strays have always maintained a tie with the family. Anyone picking up throwaway children today would probably be in the slammer before he could get them home to supper. Times have changed, and maintaining "goodness" today is a challenge in itself. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] IBT update-URGENT! URGENT! Clinton-Reno Order IBT Raided before January 20th
-Caveat Lector- Clinton-Reno Order Church Raided before January 20th by Dr. GREG DIXON [EMAIL PROTECTED] Indianapolis Baptist Temple We have just learned that the Clinton/Reno Justice Dept. have ordered the Federal Marshals to raid and seize IBT before January 20th. INDIANAPOLIS BAPTIST TEMPLE--DAY 54!! U.S. MARSHALS WILL COME BEFORE THE INAUGURATION!!! Christian Friends, A meeting between US Marshals, Dr. Dixon, Pastor Dixon and the attorneys for both sides took place this afternoon. The tone of this meeting was different than previous meetings. The head Marshal, who has exercised restraint up to this point since he was ordered to seize the property on November 14, is getting pressure from "higher-ups in Washington". We have it from unimpeachable sources that the Marshals will raid the Indianapolis Baptist Temple BEFORE the inauguration on January 20, 2001. Up to this point, it was believed that the Marshal was waiting to see what the political efforts of the Baptist Temple would result in, but that has all changed. THE CLINTON/RENO JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH STARTED ITS ADMINISTRATION BY KILLING 82 MEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN AT WACO, IS ENDING ITS WATCH BY INSISTING ON THE IMMEDIATE SEIZURE OF A 50-YEAR-OLD MAINSTREAM BAPTIST CHURCH, BEFORE THEY CAN GET A PERMANENT LEGISLATIVE SOLUTION! They are purposely pushing forward the seizure of this church, because they are afraid that the new administration would stop the seizure. Clinton has proved himself over and over to be the arch-enemy of the church. NOW IS THE TIME!! COME TO INDIANAPOLIS!! The date of the FEDERAL AGENTS' arrival is down to a 2-week window. PLEASE COME AND STAND WITH THIS CHURCH. The Marshals have said that they will not arrest anyone, and you may walk out if you wish, or else you will be carried out. WE ARE FORCING THEM TO BREAK DOWN THE DOOR OF THIS CHURCH, DESECRATE THIS SANCTUARY AND CARRY OUT THE PASTOR AND THE OTHER CHRISTIANS HERE. They will have to do it in front of the cameras for all the world to see. Bring a bedroll and a Bible. We will feed you. Come and be part of this historic stand. This is the first time in history that the federal government is moving to seize a church in America. Stand up with us for religious liberty today. CALL I.B.T. FOR DIRECTIONS OR TO HAVE YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED. (317) 787-0830 We also need your prayers or financial gifts. We have spent $17,000 on this battle since Nov. 14. Call the church if you can help. Listen to Pastor W.N. Otwell live from IBT on short wave Saturday evening on WWCR 5.070 Mhz, 7:30 to 8:00 pm Eastern time. I have called for my wife and nine children to join me here at IBT. They will leave for the 9-hour drive early in the morning (Saturday). Please pray for us and join us here at IBT if you can. A servant of Christ,Bruce Evan Murch PS. PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO ALL YOUR LISTS! IT IS CRUCIAL THAT PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THE IMMINENT ARRIVAL OF THE MARSHALS. If you represent media and would like an interview, please call me at (317) 787-0830 OR (540) 730-4427 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Anti-Federalist Society http://www.no-debts.com/anti-federalist/index.html http://www.mariposagraphics.com/preview/intro.html Related commentary by Norm Olson One can only speculate as to whether the federals will attack BEFORE Bush takes office. Politically it doesn't make a lot of sense, since the Federal Marshals are not overly affected by changing commands. Moreover, any rush to seize the property, with the necessary peril to life and limb, would not play well in Congressional hearings. Clinton and Reno may be gone in a few weeks, but the goons who storm the church and injure or kill people will have to answer to a new President. None should be so naive to think that hearings are to lay blame or to force justice and due process. They are merely whitewash to appease a gullible voting populace. Neither the killer of Vicky Weaver nor the murderers of the Branch Dividians suffered for their heinous acts of barbarity, but it did soothe the ire of many Americans who demanded that "the government look into it..."Yah, like it looked into the criminality of Clinton! There are strategies here that are very interesting to assess: 1. That the Marshals will move before the inauguration. 2. That the Marshals will delay, hoping for a way out via a new Attorney General. 3. That the timetable will be upset by forcing a change. The third scenario is very interesting. It appears that the Federals have fast-tracked their objective due to political pressure. If such is the case, then it means that the Federals have blinked. They have accelerated their campaign without fully comprehending the consequence or outcome. It would seem that by changing their schedule, they have opened a little window of vulernability. Essentially, they
Re: [CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] Check out 180 lashes for Nigerian teen mum to go ahead:governor
-Caveat Lector- Sure, it is far from perfect. I believe the testimony of non-Muslims is worth less as well, if anything at all. But under most western legal systems, I could go to a court and swear an affidavit that I saw you do something, and that could be enough for your arrest, imprisonment and possibly conviction. Of course the sceptics would say that all you have to do is get 2 of your friends to perjure themselves and back you up to convit an innocent person. But of course you can do this under our legal system, as the police do regularly. Watch out for shape changing reptiles, Joe On Sun, 7 Jan 2001 15:11:55 +0100 Ole_Gerstrøm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Dear Johannes, You write about Islamic law protecting the accused! Look what is reported below: The woman got 100 lashes for making unproven claims against the men. She could not prove that she had been raped, because she did not have necessary witneses. Under Islamic law the evidence from 2 women is outweighed by the testimony of one man. This is not law, this is barbarisme. Best, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: Johannes Schmidt III [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Check out 180 lashes for Nigerian teen mum to go ahead:governor -Caveat Lector- I believe under islamic law you need two witnesses (it might be three) if you are accusing someone of a crime to convict them. This is just the way Islamic law works, and you can see how it protects the accused (perhaps unfairly) from accusations where until recently there was no way of having evidence other than witnesses. On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:45:04 EST "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 01/04/2001 1:47:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The judge of the local Islamic court, Idris Usman Gusau, ruled that under the terms of Islamic law introduced in Zamfara last year, she had not proven her claims against the three men. He sentenced her to 80 lashes for pre-marital sex and 100 lashes for making unproven claims against the men. There is a simple way to substantiate her claim against at least one of the men. DNA will tell us which one is the father of her child. Apparently the Nigerians are so eager to beat up a woman that they haven't taken time to step into the present century. Sounds like one of those "progressive" African nations. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory
-Caveat Lector- From: "Johannes Schmidt III" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'Wise Women' etc. were nothing more than the quacks and faith healers we have today. There is no evidence that they were part of an organised religion or that they worshipped any particular non-Christian deity. Organized or not, those 'wise women' of old were far from 'quacks and faith healers'. In fact, if you knew ANYTHING about the history of medicine, you'd know that the term 'quacks and faith healers' would be more aptly applied to 'learned' men of 'science' who practiced medicine at the time when these 'wise women' practiced their own brand of home-grown doctoring... There was a good reason most women of reason preferred to give birth at home with these wise women in attendance, rather than put the fate of themselves and their soon-to-be-born infants in the hands of 'learned men of science' at the local hospital...namely, because most women who gave birth in a hospital died, as did their infants. The rate of death was much lower for those women who stayed at home and entrusted their care to the ministrations of the local 'wise women'... The answer lies in good part to the fact that the wise women demanded cleanliness...they may have cast an aura of spirituality and ritual about it, but the bottom line was that they were practicing antiseptic control long before it became the accepted norm amongst 'learned men of science'. In fact, the first 'real' doctor who suggested that doctors should wash their hands between patients was roundly criticized and hooted by his peers as believing in 'old wives tales'... And those old wives also had a knowledge base of pharmaceuticals that later became synthesized in the 20th century as standard medicines. One case in point was the practice of boiling the bark of the White Willow, and using the tea for aches and pains and inflammations. It was routinely dismissed for centuries as "an old wives tale", until a company studied the components of the White Willow tea, decided the active ingredient was salycic acid, made a synthetic of it and marketed it in pill form under the name 'aspirin'. To this day, no one knows why aspirin is as effective as it is (because it hasn't been worth getting the funding to mount clinical trials of it), and it probably wouldn't make it to market today if it didn't benefit from the 'grandfather' clause written into the government regulations regarding pharmaceuticals. Another case in point was the practice of wise women in the British Isles to wash wounds with a certain decoction made of local herbs, and then binding the wound with a piece of moldy bread. This too was dismissed by 'learned men of science' as an old wives tale, and in fact attempts were made to discourage it, since these 'learned men' couldn't fathom how putting something 'dirty' like moldy bread on a wound could be beneficial. One of these 'learned men' actually DID look at cases treated in such a manner, and concluded that for some reason the patients indeed usually recovered nicely, at a much higher rate than patients with similar wounds treated in the usual manner by 'learned men of science' at 'respected' hospitals. But this was in the early 19th century, and this doctor was roundly laughed at by his colleagues for accepting unscientific 'old wives tales', instead of sticking to 'known science'... Later, in the 20th century, it was found that the decoction of herbs these wise women used had antiseptic properties, and of course that moldy piece of bread was full of penicillin... June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 93 Christians Killed For Not Coverting to Islam
Title: RE: [CTRL] 93 Christians Killed For Not Coverting to Islam Every time I bring this up in public there is a dead silence. How can churches get away with running for profit schools, factories, rentals, and such and not pay taxes? The Organized Chruches in this country are vastly rich, and getting ever richer. Yet they do not pay taxes. Jayson I think the question we should be asking ourselves is how can the government get away with forcing everyone to pay taxes as if it's citizens obligation? Well, that's another issue all-together, when you look at how the income tax amendment was ratified and how the system is supposed to be a voluntary system... Anyways, the Churches have it right. We should all follow suit. Jamie
Re: [CTRL] Check out Snap:News:Top Stories:Clinton: Divide Israel in two
-Caveat Lector- Ahab: Cannot pull up the story re Clinton wanting to divide Israel into two states - not exactly the wisdom of Solomon...what does he want revenge. Old lawyers joke my boss played in Court one timetwo people fighting over a dog and during a break I said "gee, we see the Wisdom of Solomon on the bench today".fights over dogs led to big courts in wars. So my boss aid hey, I got it - we will divide the dog in half, and I will ask them "which half you want - the half that eats you out of house and home, or the other half which ." and you can use your imagination there. I said I do not think Solomon cut it that waybut either way, the dog dies? Nationalism - alleged goal is to restore lost boundaries...now someone has squatters rights in Holy Landbut who moved in and causes all the trouble? One would think Israel would have a King or a Queen - rather than a hired gun in charge - a man who likes to dress up as a woman? So lost boundaries - what we dealing with here really - nationalism? Or communism, for they just take what they want, do they not? Remember the USS Liberty. Saba A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Drug Recall
-Caveat Lector- Then again maybe "THEY" want to remove anything at all effective against flu/respiratory infections and diseases before "THEY" chemtrail and gas us and infect us with said infections as part of the NWO/UN population decrease. Nah! I am just paranoid. Amelia stacking up cases of Alka-Seltzer Plus - Original Message - From: "Bill Richer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 4:45 PM Subject: [CTRL] Drug Recall -Caveat Lector- Subject: Drug Recall Subject: CVS Drug Recall Please pass this on. Here is the website address http://www.cvs.com/otherCVS/drugDisclaimer.asp http://www.cvs.com/otherCVS/drugDisclaimer.asp Please forward this to anyone you know that may have these over the counter meds. CVS has removed all products containing this chemical from their shelves. This was seen on the News both last night and this morning. Thought it might be helpful for all of you to have the list. Stop taking anything containing this ingredient. It has been linked to increased hemorrhagic stroke (bleeding in brain) among women ages 18-49 in the three days after starting use of medication. Problems were not found in men, but the FDA recommended that everyone (even children) seek alternative medicine. The following medications contain Phenylpropanolamine: Alka-Seltzer Plus Children's Cold Medicine Effervescent Alka-Seltzer Plus Cold medicine (cherry or orange) Alka-Seltzer Plus Cold Medicine Original Alka-Seltzer Plus Cold Cough Medicine Effervescent Alka-Seltzer Plus Cold Flu Medicine Effervescent Alka-Seltzer Plus Cold Sinus Effervescent Alka Seltzer Plus Night-Time cold Medicine Effervescent BC Allergy Sinus Cold Powder BC Sinus Cold Powder Comtrex Deep Chest Cold Congestion Relief Comtrex Flu Therapy Fever Relief Day Night Contac 12-Hour Cold Capsules Contac 12 Hour Caplets Coricidin D Cold, Flu Sinus Dimetapp Cold Allergy Chewable Tablets Dimetapp Cold Cough Liqui-Gels Dimetapp DM cold Cough Elixir Dimetapp Elixir Dimetapp 4 Hour Liqui Gels Dimetapp 4 Hour Tablets Dimetapp 12 Hour Extentabs Tablets Naldecon DX Pediatric Drops Permathene Mega-16 Robitussin CF Tavist-D 12 Hour Relief of Sinus Nasal Congestion Triaminic DM Cough Relief Triaminic Expectorant Chest Head Congestion Triaminic Syrup Cold Allergy Triaminic Triaminicol Cold Cough Acutrim Diet Gum Appetite Suppressant Plus Diary Supplements Acutrim Maximum Strength Appetite Control Dexatrim Caffeine Free Dexatrim Extended Duration Dexatrim Gelcaps Dexatrim Vitamin C/Caffeine Free A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Clinton Says Goodbye to U.S. Troops
-Caveat Lector- LOL!! Don't leave out his letter thanking for help with his draft dodging stating that he "loathed" the military! And Hillary and Chelsea call them pigs and Chelsea does not ride in the same car with anybody military. How about we leave Bill alone in a room for half an hour with 5 Marines and no restrictions on anybody? I wonder why in the face of Cold War history, these three think they do not owe their freedom to having been protected by a strong military from those that would rule the world otherwise. Amelia - Original Message - From: "John Cone" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Clinton Says Goodbye to U.S. Troops -Caveat Lector- --- Bill Richer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clinton Says Goodbye to U.S. Troops By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer ARLINGTON, Va. (AP) - A saxophonist played a soulful rendition of "America the Beautiful" as President Clinton bid farewell Friday to members of the armed forces. _ Nakano replies: Speaking as a Vietnam Vet: THIS IS PURE UNADULTERATED AND NAUSEATING CRAP! Clinton's attitude toward the U.S. Military is well known. He dodged the draft. He lied to avoid serving in the Armed Forces, and he has lied ever since about doing it. He invited "Hanoi Jane" Fonda to spend the night in the Lincoln bedroom in the White House. He never invited a Medal of Honor winner to sleep over. Clinton has done his best to geld the American Military...and he has been fairly successful. His recent trip to Vietnam, thirty years late, was a direct insult to the 58,000 U.S. Military personnel who died in that war. He was "giving the finger" to every American Veteran who served in Vietnam. That saxaphone player should have been playing "Your Cheating Heart"! Nakano A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Gore and his communist ties.
-Caveat Lector- Gore and his communist ties. http://www.algore-2000.org/hammer.html http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38c4a8fd6308.htm http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/america/usa/032800b.html A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Clinton Says Goodbye to U.S. Troops
-Caveat Lector- What was that joke about Clinton leaving Air Force One, and he had two pigs with him, one under each arm? He told a soldier who was part of reception - "Look, I got this one for Hilliary and that one for Chelsie". And the soldier said "good trade sir, you got the best of the deal of that one"..no insult intended to the pigs So little clone Chelsie is being raised in her mother's image..they called the secret service pigs as well, the ones who are there to take a bullet for them if need be. So at least we got the pigs (my apoligies to the pigs with 4 legs) out of the Oval Office and White House.one pig left in New York though, but she will be with her own kind - now let us see how she repays those who supported her - and wonder if anyone is going to check out those polling places? Street people and prostitutues and gay pride and arabs and jews and blacks - how neatly they divided and conquered? She kissed both cheeks of jews and arabs.but like Judas sheep, the most hated of all sheep - to whom does she owe her allegiance not that it makes any difference, for she does not look too happy thee days. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] SNET: The Left-Wing Pukes Are At It Again....Please Help (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 08:16:35 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SNET: The Left-Wing Pukes Are At It AgainPlease Help - SNETNEWS Mailing List From: BOBURWELL IF WE ALL GIVE A LITTLE, IT WILL AMOUNT TO A LOT...Bill 01/05/2001 EMERGENCY REQUEST Re: Judicial Watch Legal Response To Smear Campaign Against Cabinet Designates John Ashcroft, Linda Chavez, and Other Conservatives Dear Friend and Supporter: Judicial Watch, the public interest law firm that investigates and fights government corruption and abuse, and which has uncovered numerous Clinton-Gore scandals in the last eight years, including its prosecution of the misuse of FBI files by Hillary Rodham Clinton and others, has witnessed threats in the last few days by the ultra-left intended to destroy respected conservative leaders. The ultra-left, comprised of revolutionaries such as Jesse Jackson, and leaders of pro-abortion, feminist, homosexual, and labor union "rights" groups, have vowed to destroy the reputations of Attorney General-designate John Ashcroft, Labor Secretary-designate Linda Chavez, Energy Secretary-designate Spencer Abraham and others. Given our experience in the FBI Filegate case - where ultra-leftists associated with the Clinton-Gore Administration, including Bill and Hillary Clinton themselves, used confidential government files to destroy their adversaries - Judicial Watch is concerned that similar misconduct will occur to destroy Ashcroft, Chavez, and other conservative cabinet appointees. Accordingly, Judicial Watch will investigate the activities of the ultra-left and, where appropriate, bring legal actions to prevent harm to these conservative leaders. This is a project which Judicial Watch had not budgeted for in 2001, as is true of its ongoing Florida election fraud investigation. For this reason, we ask for your immediate emergency support to help prevent conservatives and others from being destroyed by the smear campaign of ultra-leftist revolutionaries, as well as our other cases. Judicial Watch is fiercely non-partisan, but it will not countenance illegal methods to smear and destroy conservatives with techniques reminiscent of Karl Marx. It therefore will help those who, during the nomination process, are branded as racists by Jesse Jackson and other ultra leftist revolutionaries. This is not Russia in 1917. These latter-day 'Bolsheviks' must be stopped. Thank you for your immediate help. Send your tax deductible contribution to: Judicial Watch, Inc., P.O. Box 4. Washington, DC 20026 - Telephone: (888) JW-ETHIC 888-593-8442 or A HREF="https://www.procatalog.com/JudicialWatch/jwatch/fundraising/activeserver pages/fundraising.asp"Judicial Watch: Contribute/A www.JudicialWatch.org Sincerely, Larry Klayman Chairman and General Counsel Thomas Fitton President A Christian Patriot Hosea 4:6 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory
-Caveat Lector- The lethal nature of medicine in centuries past is well documented, however the effectiveness of traditional medicines in some areas is/was little better. Your points about midwifery are quite true, this is an area which women have always been pre-eminent. However, none of this alters the fact that, with the exception of a few hapy co-incidences, the types of cures offered by 'Wise Women' etc., consisted mainly of prayers, invoking of angels or devils, talismans, potions with no beneficial effect, strange rituals (animal sacrifice, burying potatoes in the light of the moon, unlikely aphrodisiacs) etc. I am sure there are numerous practices which have a negative effect on subjects practiced by WW, but which aren't much touted by their fanclub. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] American Anarchism / Libertarianism vs Socialism
-Caveat Lector- In reality, Socialism is a social system in which the means of producing and distributing goods are owned collectively and political power is exercised by the whole community. Communities. Plural. State Capitalism is an oxymoron ... while monopolies cannot exist WITHOUT a government to restrict entry. Monopoly. Singular. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Check out Strange Fish in Warming Seas Stump Experts
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010108/od/fish_dc_1.html"Click here: Strange Fish in Warming Seas Stump Experts/A A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Voter Rights Violations
-Caveat Lector- Samantha, You are citing exceptions to the normal rule. Note that they ran unopposed, not really requiring a primary. This usually just annoys the local election officials for having to print two ballots. So you have refuted me and proven that just as many Republicans run at the local level as Democrats in the South and always have. That is what you are implying and have proven conclusively. Obviously, I do not know what I am talking about, do I? From time to time, a local candidate will run as a Republican, just as I originally stated, but to vote for that candidate in the primary would require giving up the right to vote for the rest of the candidates, by far the majority, in the Democratic primary. It is encouraging to see more candidates running as Republicans on a local level. The fact that the majority of the counties went for Bush in the general election is different than the primaries. I usually vote a split ticket in the general election. I think Louisiana has the right idea of non-partisan primaries. Republicans running at the local level has only begun to happen over recent years. And why is Florida not the Deep South? Can't get much deeper. True, it has been over-run by "retirees" and the immigration population is very large. This has changed the make up of the population but many of the laws and traditions remain the same through the years. With the influx of people, it has made possible a "Chicago style" election apparently. They have always had problems in this area anyway. So where are your Democrats? If I am so wrong, why are they not at the DOJ right now demanding something be done? How foolish I was to waste my time trying to explain how this could happen when you obviously know far, far more than I do about what goes on in my own and surrounding states. What a fool I am to attempt to explain anything to one who knows everything about the subject! And can actually find a couple of Republican candidates in recent elections to proove it! The South has evidently always LOVED Republicans locally. How could I be so misinformed?? Thank goodness I have you and your "sources" to clear up all these years of confusion where I have been so very, very wrong! Your research did not show how many counties held only Democratic primaries. If I can keep my computer from locking up, I will see if I can find that information. One or two candidates from among, say, 50 is not equal representation of both parties on the local level. I do not care whether or not you "believe" me. I actually thought explaining this tradition might shed some light and explain to you why your beloved Democrats are not taking up your rally cry. Think whatever you like and continue your self-serving denial of the facts of the way things are done. How does one so resourceful as you explain this, do tell? Since my theory is so flawed, what is your correct one? In my vast ignorance on my own voting history, I should be informed by your superior knowledge on the matter lest I waste away in my ignorant conditio I certainly shall not waste any more of my time trying to explain why I think some things happen the way they do for you have a mind set and are intent on keeping it just that way. The fact that you would try to "refute" somebody trying to shed light on the lack of Democratic support is a rather strange thing to do. It is your right but do not be surprised when no Democrats come to the aid of your cause. It is my opinion and my life experience and believe it or not, I am entitled to have one, too. I was merely wasting my time trying to explain to you why this might be and how things have been done for a very long time. You are not required to believe anything that I or any one else posts. I know what I know and this is how it has been done in the three states in the Deep South where I have voted. I stated that there were exceptions but they are rare so jump on that and try to "prove" me wrong all you like. But watch and see what happens and how many Democrats turn out to be the poll workers cited in the incidents. Since you have "proven" me wrong, I shall take that as your statement that the poll workers were Republicans and we shall see. Besides, your Democrats will see that justice is done in this matter. Don't worry. And DO hold your breath until they do as you have "proven" there is no reason they should not. BTW, it is spelled "Chattanooga." Amelia - Original Message - From: "Samantha L." [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Voter Rights Violations -Caveat Lector- Amelia, I just don't understand these blanket statements you keep making, like, " ALL local politics have been handled by the Democratic party..." and "all local offices are run as a contest among Democrats" and "if I want to vote in the sheriff's primary , or the district attorney or dog catcher, I MUST vote in the
[CTRL] Bessie Smith's Death
-Caveat Lector- Prudy, I cannot help what lies were told at the time by others like yourself with a need to exaggerate the racial problems of the South. At least Hammonds had the decency to retract his, unlike you, and he is the source of the original lies told. Of course those with an agenda such as yours are going to run with the original inaccuracy and NEVER, NEVER change any ideas set in your mind which are contrary to what you want so badly to believe in the first place. Some accounts further fabricated her being turned away at not one but three hospitals. And one consummate liar took it upon himself to write a play based on this fabrication. That is when it turns into propaganda, which is all it ever was. Samantha, I am oh so sorry Dalton Robert's post was not written to your high standards of clarity. He is far on up in years and is a blues singer who possibly knows as much on the subject as anybody still living. His advanced age causes some of us to overlook shortcuts he might take in writing. I just appreciated the hell out of his taking the time to answer me in the first place. Clearly he meant neither and was referring to Bessie being the injured one. How good of you, and typical, to point out this lapse in phraseology of someone so ancient! BTW, he does write professionally. Amazing how others are able to understand him. Allow me to apologize on his behalf to you for writing something that "does not make sense" to you, the standard of what does and does not make sense. How could he be so stupid!! Good thing you are there to point this out and I truly hope when you approach his years, you, too, will be blessed with people such as yourself to prevent your committing such horrendous blunders! Just because a person lives to be so old does not give them the right to not "make sense" in posting to far more important folks like you. See excerpt and source below. Save your time, Samantha, finding outdated sources from before this was clarified by the driver and others involved for they do still exist, left uncorrected those so reluctant to let go of a lie so self-serving that they love so much. Amelia On the eve of John Hammond's departure to Mississippi to bring her back to New York, September 27, 1937, to record again, Bessie Smith was in an automobile accident just below Clarksdale, Mississippi on the main road to Memphis. Her right arm was nearly severed in the crash, and Bessie died from loss of blood. In a 1937 article by John Hammond he reported that Bessie Smith died after being denied admission to a hospital because of her skin color. However Hammond has since admitted his report was based on hearsay, and those since interviewed who had direct knowledge of the events have made it clear that this was not the case. http://mathrisc1.lunet.edu/blues/Bessie_Smith.html A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] American Anarchism / Libertarianism vs Socialism
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/8/01 11:29:17 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: State Capitalism is an oxymoron ... while monopolies cannot exist WITHOUT a government to restrict entry. nonsenseitissocilism for capitalists A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Bessie Smith again
-Caveat Lector- June, Got this from Dalton Roberts on Bessie in regard to abusive relationships. He also sent me a post concerning a man with whom she was not having a relationship but threw out of an after hours club in Chattanooga, physically and unaided. The man hid in the bushes and stabbed Bessie when she was leaving but she chased him of three blocks before she collapsed! Her relationships sound absolutely dysfunctional but at times Bessie could be the abuser as well as the abused. Amelia - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 7:33 PM Subject: Re: Bessie Smith again In a message dated 1/7/01 5:25:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ) that Bessie is remembered for staying in abusive relationships unlike Tina Turner Bessie could be aggressive, as when she ran off some Klansmen who tried to cut down her tent in Mississippi, but she did have a long term abusive relationship with Jack Gee, whom she married. But she was doing a show far from Philadelphia when she got word he was living with a young blues singer and she paid a cab driver to drive her her to Philadelphi and she whipped his ass. Toward the end of her life she became bi-sexual, or bi-sexuality came out, and she had some flings with young women and young men. She was wealthy so it was easy piickings. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: NOV - DEC coldest on record
So are we in immenent danger from global warming or not?http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20010105/aponline133428_000.htmNov.-Dec. Was Coldest on Record By Randolph E. Schmid Associated Press Writer Friday, Jan. 5, 2001; 1:34 p.m. EST WASHINGTON The suspicions of millions of shivering Americans were confirmed Friday by government weather experts it was the nation's coldest November-December period. "Two months in a row of much below average temperatures resulted in the coldest November-December U.S. temperature on record, 33.8 degrees Fahrenheit," said Jay Lawrimore, chief of the Climate Monitoring Branch at the National Climatic Data Center. This broke the old record of 34.2 set in 1898. It was the country's second coldest November nationwide and the seventh coldest December, according to records kept by the Center in Asheville, N.C. And the outlook isn't cheering. National Weather Service Director Jack Kelly said the weather of 2000 was shaped by variability and extremes, which will continue throughout the winter. "The eastern and western United States will experience additional cold outbreaks at least through March with periods of moderation in between," he said. The wintry weather was not unexpected, however, with the Weather Service calling for a return to more normal winter conditions after several years of mild winters, Lawrimore noted. The El Nino-La Nina weather phenomenon in the Pacific Ocean has faded into a near neutral state, eliminating that strong weather influence of the last few years. Now conditions are more like those of the 1970s, he said, with the jet stream the fast, high-level wind that helps direct the movement of weather forming a trough in the central and eastern United States, bringing cold arctic air southward It's a little bit unusual for this pattern to persist for two months, however, rather than having a period of cold followed by a warmup then more cold, Lawrimore explained. Forty-three states within the contiguous U.S. recorded below average temperatures during the November-December period, according to records kept by the Center, a division of the government's National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. The only states with near-normal temperatures were Nevada, New Mexico, New Hampshire, Vermont and Maine. The national averages do not include Alaska and Hawaii. The report noted that severe conditions hit the Central and Southern Plains particularly hard. It was the coldest November-December on record in Oklahoma, Arkansas and Missouri and the second coldest such two-month period for Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Texas, Louisiana and Mississippi. Heavy snow also accompanied the cold in many areas. The record cold was a sharp change from most of last year, which began with the warmest winter on record. Above normal temperatures continued through October and made the January through October 2000 period the warmest such ten-month period since national temperature records began in 1895. Preliminary data indicates that 2000 will wind up the 13th warmest year on record in the U.S., 1.2 F above the long-term average of 52.8, the Center reported. On the Net: National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration: http://www.noaa.gov © Copyright 2001 The Associated Press
Re: [CTRL] 93 Christians Killed For Not Coverting to Islam
-Caveat Lector- On 7 Jan 01, at 14:01, Jayson R. Jones wrote: Every time I bring this up in public there is a dead silence. How can churches get away with running for profit schools, factories, rentals, and such and not pay taxes? The Organized Chruches in this country are vastly rich, and getting ever richer. Yet they do not pay taxes. Jayson Actually, money and poverty has always been a major issue within the church and I do believe that some groups who advocated following Jesus' example and living austerely, frugally, and sharing cooperatively with others --which you may call "socialistic" or even "communistic" --have been excommunicated for the commission of heresy. I believe this was one of the issues between the Cathars and the Church leading to horrific massacres--See The Albegensian heresy. The Church, it seems, is aligned with money--since money gives power. Humility and poverty are reserved for poor priests whose parishes embrace the poor in remote outposts. "The Name of the Rose" by Umberto Ecco also had this issue of money/poverty as a central issue and it did involve, if I remember correctly, advocating poverty as a heresy. sno0wl A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CTRL.org is back online
-Caveat Lector- Ah yes, the wonders of the modern age. Due to a server-operator error CTRL.org was among the missing this weekend, but has been restored. Om K A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bus Won Popular Vote - We Shall See
-Caveat Lector- According to this item Bush won popular vote and in fact, I always thought he had.If someone would check out New York - probably so many illegal votes cast he could have taken the "melting pot". Interesting item - I awaid for clarification and validation of this count; however, out of Secretary of States office with both sides observing - this should be interesting. So Keep Your Powder Dry - and Open the Flood Gates -Good Bye Clinton. Saba Mail message From: Date: Mon, Jan 8, 2001, 1:55pm To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: Bush may have won Popular Vote From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Mon, Jan 8, 2001, 1:17pm Subject: Bush may have won Popular Vote To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The MOST impostant story of 2000, judging by its importance to the ability of the Bush administration to govern. (Snip) NEW COUNT SHOWS BUSH MAY HAVE WON POPULAR VOTE Edited by D. Carnegie on Wednesday December 20, @01:25PM NewsMax.com Despite the widely accepted claim that Al Gore won the popular vote by some 300,000 votes, a new count of state totals appears to show George Bush was the real winner by nearly 2 million votes. According to respected news analyst Mary Mostert, a report sent to her by reader Don Boyd showed that Gore got a total of 50,753,172 votes nationwide while Bush got 52,685,804 giving him a winning margin of 1,932,632. Wrote Mostert "While I have not checked all 50 states with the Secretary of State official returns, I have checked all the big states and a number of the smaller states. All the ones I have checked are accurate, or modified very slightly with late absentee ballots, which tilted towards George W. Bush. For those who want to personally check these figures, go to the "Original Source" - http://www.originalsources.com/Candidates/statepolitics.html which has all the election information by state. Nearly all the states now have their OFFICIAL, returns posted. "These figures were reportedly obtained from the Office of the Secretary of State from each state but haven't been confirmed" (Snip) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory
-Caveat Lector- Merlin Its from the Welsh, Merddin, who was a derwydd, or Druid. According to Graves (White Goddess, p. 39), An early Cornish poem describes . . . the Druid Merddin . . . This should be distinguished from merlin, a small falcon (Falco columbarius) of northern regions, which has predominantly dark plumage and a black-striped tail. It is also called pigeon hawk. Its name is Middle English from Anglo-Norman merilun, from Old French esmerillon, diminutive of esmeril of Germanic origin. You're quite right. I had never heard of this person before you mentioned 'her' This is the very best reason possible for you to not pass judgment on her work, at least in public where people can call you on it. (and here was poor ignorant, historically illiterate I You said it. thinking that Merlin was a man's name). So are Lee, Dana, and Evelyn. Let me know what book/s has she written and I will look it up. The best place to start with Stone is: When God Was a Woman ISBN: 015696158X Try to get an edition with the original illustrations (i.e. not the Barnes and Noble edition), as the archeological evidence she employs is far more compelling when viewed than when described. Then read: Goddesses and Gods of Old Europe, 6500-3500 B.C. : Myths, and Cult Images by Marija Gimbutas ISBN: 0520046552 To be honest, she sounds like some sort of New Age fruitcake who knits her own yoghurt and probably writes books making just as much sense. But I'm just making assumptions. Indeed you are, and with nothing whatsoever to base them on but her name and subject matter. This indicates a profound lack intelligence on your part. Im not saying you dont have any intelligence. You may. But you certainly arent putting it to use. Science is based on objectivity. If you cant approach a new subject with an open mind, you cant possibly hope to learn anything. Minds, as the saying goes, are like parachutes; they only work when open. However, I must say, knits her own yoghurt is a great line. I fully intend to expropriate it. I won't answer that, as I suspect you are being flippant. Puns, on the other hand, are the lowest form of wit. Come now, you can do better than that. What's my life got to do with anything? Its a prime example of how stories can be true without having been written down. Alas, the vast, overwhelming majority, in fact virtually all, stories are never written down. There isnt enough paper. Yes, but similarly because something isn't written down makes it far less likely to be true, just as something which is written down is more likely to be true. Prove it. Be specific. Cite references and their qv. OK then, what (in brief) physical evidence do they provide which I am ignorant of? Read the books I recommended. At the very least, look at the pictures. Do they have letters from one witch to another from anytime pre 1950? Come now. Who would be stupid enough to commit to writing an admission that they had committed a crime, particularly during the centuries long period when that crime carried a death sentence. Have they found and translated some witches texts from middle ages or ancient greece which provide a clear link to modern wiccans? No. But then how could a text from the Middle Ages or ancient Greece provide a clear link? An unbroken chain of texts could perhaps do this, assuming they could all be proven valid, but isolated texts cannot. What the texts from the Middle Ages and ancient Greece do provide is strong circumstantial evidence. In modern courts of law, people are routinely condemned to death with less evidence. Just because evidence is circumstantial doesnt make it less valid evidence. The proverbial smoking gun itself is, by definition, circumstantial evidence. The wiccans have nil in the way of evidence. That you know about. But then you dont know very much about the field at all. This is nonsense. 'Maybe' there is evidence. I admit it's possible, but I very much doubt it. I notice that you aren't exactly eager to provide any of this evidence from your clearly greater knowledge of this subject than us mere mortals. Please do enlighten us. I recommended a couple books. You ignored me. I just did it again. Are you going to ignore me again? There are no digs for wiccan artefacts because there are none. How do you know if you refuse to even read the literature of the field? If you can stop criticizing me (for I've obviously struck a nerve) perhaps you can point me to the error in my beliefs, rather than making all osrts of wild assumptions. I have, repeatedly. I will repeat. (1.) You are willfully ignorant. (2.) You say you are not. Again, this 'Merlin Stone' sounds like a new age lunatic. How do you know if you have never read her books? And why should we we take seriously anything at all you say, since you repeatedly and unashamedly prattle on about things that by your own
[CTRL] HOOVER INSTITUTION WANTS COVER OPERATIONS, NOW MORE THAN EVER!
HOOVER INSTITUTION WANTS COVER OPERATIONS, NOW MORE THAN EVER! Covert Operations, Now More Than Ever Date: Sunday, 7 January 2001, 5:22 p.m. http://www.worldtribune.com/tout-6.html HOOVER INSTITUTION, HOOVER DIGEST, 2000 No. 2 Thomas H. Henriksen © 2000 With its increased reliance on high-tech "smart" bombs, Washington seems to have forgotten a much less costly, more humane, and often more effective form of warfare—the covert operation. Lord Acton's famous maxim about the corruptive influence of power is just as true with regard to "absolute" military force as it is with regard to power in the domestic political realm. He might even have added that command of un-matched technological prowess can blind policymakers to lower-profile, lower-cost ways to achieve their nation's goals. Some security problems can be solved with a sledgehammer or only with a sledgehammer. But far more common are those foreign policy challenges that can be solved—or prevented altogether—by measures short of violent conflict, even where routine diplomatic instruments prove ineffective. As the reigning superpower, the United States must not eschew forceful diplomacy or violence in extremis when its strategic interests are at stake. But Washington's current over reliance on aerial bombardment as the weapon of second (if not first) resort diminishes America's prestige, sullies its espousal of a liberal-democratic new world order, and endangers its strategic relations with other major powers. Less-confrontational options can achieve U.S. goals without the harmful side effects that include a strained Western alliance and strained relations with China and Russia, not to mention civilian deaths and material destruction. That less-confrontational option is covert or indirect action abroad, and it offers today, no less than during the Cold War, an effective alternative to the unacceptable risks and costs of military operations. The Yugoslavian bombing campaign and the long series of air strikes against Iraq raise afresh the issue of how and why America should pursue its foreign policy agenda. Kosovo made clear, to some observers at least, that the United States should not wade into middle-sized conflicts in places with unpronounceable names and little strategic value, no matter what the extent of human suffering. Americans cannot, after all, make the lions lie down with the lambs, everywhere and for all time. Other critics concluded that Washington should have done more sooner in Kosovo, deploying ground troops and risking casualties in order to win a battle for international moral conduct. But the first opinion gives short shrift to the consequences that an unchecked slaughter in Europe could hold for that continent, whereas the second appears impractical because the stakes—even in President Clinton's view—were not worth the political problems that could result from the shedding of American blood in a distant country for obscure goals. The ambiguous rationale for involvement resulted in an air campaign and not a war, a characterization that the Clinton administration scrupulously avoided. But as it turned out, the relentless air strikes, often against civilian targets, sapped the moral high ground that Clinton coveted. They failed to halt Belgrade's atrocities in Kosovo, damaged relations with China and Russia over a nonstrategic issue, risked NATO's unity, and left Slobodan Milosevic in power. One is left to wonder whether the necessity of "doing something" to address a genuine humanitarian and political crisis could have inspired an earlier, more effective, and less violent response lying between the extremes of disengagement and war. To be sure, a reliance on air power reflects our technologically oriented civilization. High-altitude bombing promises to override historical complexities. But it ignores the fact that intractable ethnic and political conflicts are often resistant to technological quick fixes. It is not enough just to make low-tech regimes in places like Serbia and Iraq "hunker down"; it means ridding them of their predatory leaders. And that requires a dramatic paradigm shift back to covert action as the policy option of choice. Such operations have often leveraged the preponderance of U.S. power to secure outcomes favorable to American aims, and their effectiveness stemmed in part from the perception in a target country that the United States had thrown its weight behind one side in a crisis. Direct military intervention proved unnecessary. Indeed, one might even conclude that direct military intervention, far from being the way to ensure policy success, is a proof of policy failure. Indirect methods rely less on cutting-edge technologies and employment of force and more on American operatives' mastering local politics, understanding different cultures, and learning foreign languages. Above all, they call for political judgment and continuous, anticipatory attention to the world beyond American shores. Briefly,
[CTRL] Salon-John Ashcroft's big mistake
John Ashcroft's big mistake He denied Ronnie White a federal judgeship for being soft on crime, when his grudge was against his pro-choice politics. Either way, the move cost him his Senate seat -- and could block his confirmation as attorney general. - - - - - - - - - - - - By Eric Boehlert Jan. 8, 2001 | He couldn't have known it at the time. But on Oct. 4, 1999, when Missouri Sen. John Ashcroft rose on the floor of the United States Senate to oppose the nomination of a black Missouri judge to the federal bench, the conservative Republican was about to give the most politically damaging speech of his 25-year career. At that moment it represented a triumph for Ashcroft. He'd dropped plans to win the 2000 Republican presidential nomination due to little support, and he'd made an equally lackluster run to become chairman of the Republican National Committee in 1993. So Ashcroft's ability to convince every one of his GOP colleagues to join with him in voting down the nomination of Missouri Supreme Court Justice Ronnie White -- the first time Republicans had publicly rejected one of President Clinton's judicial nominees -- signaled real influence within the Republican Party. Standing on the floor of the Senate, Ashcroft seemed to go out of his way to belittle and ridicule White. The Missouri senator labeled the Democratic judge "pro-criminal," and cautioned colleagues that White would substitute "personal politics" for the law, and "improperly exercise his will" if confirmed. That, despite the fact that White's judicial record was not all that different from judges Ashcroft had appointed to the Missouri Supreme Court when he was governor. After the vote Ashcroft crowed that White's defeat was a victory for Missouri law enforcement. Instead, the "victory" haunts Ashcroft to this day. It ended his elected political career last Nov. 7, when Ashcroft lost his first statewide runoff in more than two decades. And now it appears to be the only obstacle standing in the way of him becoming George W. Bush's attorney general, as critics prepare to use the White nomination to question both Ashcroft's racial tolerance and his sense of political fair play. That's a high price to pay for opposing a district judge, which is why in retrospect Ashcroft's militant objection to White -- or his "marathon public crucifixion," as one of Ashcroft's own fund-raisers put it last year -- seems so puzzling, and oddly personal. No doubt it was actually political. Ashcroft thought tarring White with the pro-crime brush, and defeating his nomination, would help him in his reelection battle with Missouri Gov. Mel Carnahan, who'd gotten into political hot water after he commuted a death sentence in 1999 at the behest of Pope John Paul II. While White's defeat galvanized African-Americans, who believe Ashcroft's crusade had racial overtones, the Republican's grudge against the moderate Missouri judge may have had more to do with Ashcroft's extreme anti-abortion agenda than either race or purported concerns about White's toughness on crime. Ashcroft and White had battled over abortion in Missouri since the early 1990s, when White was a state legislator and Ashcroft was governor. Why would the rabidly anti-abortion Ashcroft cloak his opposition to White's nomination in terms of concern about crime? Politics. In the normally collegial Senate, there's an unwritten agreement that abortion won't be used by either side as a litmus test to block nominees. Ashcroft may have also gambled, and lost, that a crusade against White based on abortion would cost him more politically than one based on concerns about crime -- which, when used against a black judge, couldn't help but have racial overtones. Perhaps Democratic members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, who will certainly press Ashcroft about the White battle during his upcoming confirmation hearing, will have better luck figuring out exactly why the Republican fought his fellow Missourian's relatively low-level nomination so fiercely. In fact, White himself may appear before the committee. More than a year after White's rejection, many political observers in Missouri, who doubt that White is either a pro-criminal jurist or an anti-death penalty zealot, are still scratching their heads over Ashcroft's ill-conceived and ultimately self-destructive crusade. "It's perplexing," says Ken Warren, professor of political science at St. Louis University. "Republicans and Democrats alike cannot understand Ashcroft's opposition to Ronnie White." For Ashcroft politically, "it was like injecting cyanide into his veins," says Warren. White's defeat stunned Democrats and created a firestorm of controversy, with President Clinton labeling the vote a "disgraceful act." In Missouri, tempers flared for weeks, particularly among African-Americans who were outraged Ashcroft not only opposed White's nomination but, they insist, routinely and maliciously misrepresented his judicial record. "He demonized the nomination
[CTRL] Election 2000: SNAFU or NWO Plan?(part IIIe)
-Caveat Lector- "Election 2000: SNAFU or NWO Plan?"(part IIIe) "THE SINFUL SIXTIES" (Can be read at The Joshua Files) http://members.spree.com/education/2302410/ -- Michael The Outlawlady The Joshua Files http://members.spree.com/education/2302410/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bus Won Popular Vote - We Shall See
Title: RE: [CTRL] Bus Won Popular Vote - We Shall See Even if Bush did win the popular vote... More voters may have turned out knowing that it was a popular vote in which the decision for President would have been made. Example, I'm in Oklahoma, I knew we'd vote Republican, hence I didn't waste my time at the voting booth as I'm a rep also... If it was a popular vote, I would have been in that booth casting my vote. You can say this for both reps and dems. So the This guy would have won had it been a popular vote argument is not a valid nor legitimate one. Jamie
Re: [CTRL] HOOVER INSTITUTION WANTS COVER OPERATIONS, NOW MORE THAN EVER!
-Caveat Lector- low-tech regimes in places like Serbia The "low-tech" Serbians are the only people in history to ever shoot down a Stealth plane. A real bunch of bumpkins, eh? A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Genetic Crossroads Issue 14
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] - Welcome to GENETIC CROSSROADS #14 January 7, 2001 Supporting responsible uses of human genetic technologies Opposing the new techno-eugenics (formerly the Techno-Eugenics Email Newsletter) - For subscription and submission information, see end of message. - CONTENTS I. EDITORS' NOTE II. NEWS AND POINTERS 1. E Magazine Cover Story: "Designing People" 2. French Best-Selling Novel Celebrates a Post-Human Future 3. Disabled Peoples International Statement on Human Genetics 4. Two New Techniques Developed for Producing "Designer Sperm" 5. Bill Prohibiting Human Cloning Introduced in Texas 6. Flood of Responses to Watson's Genetic Determinism III. UPCOMING EVENTS 1. "A Decade of ELSI Research," January 16-18, Bethesda, MD 2. Eduardo Kac on Transgenic Animals as Art, Jan 29, UC Berkeley 3. UC Berkeley Classes on Biotechnology and Bioethics 4. Public Event Features Bill Joy, February 14, San Francisco 5. American Association for Advancement of Science, February 15-20, San Francisco IV. ABOUT GENETIC CROSSROADS -- -- I. EDITORS' NOTE Those who care about the responsible use of new genetic technologies know that efforts to set human society on a path toward a techno-eugenic future continue to gather momentum. Challenges to halt this momentum are just beginning to develop. The human project is truly at a critical crossroads--hence our new name. We want to encourage readers to share and post GENETIC CROSSROADS widely, and to tell us of news and events that are important for others to know. Let's help make 2001 the year that human society begins to re-assert control over the future of the human species. -- II. NEWS AND POINTERS 1. E Magazine Cover Story: "Designing People" The cover story of E Magazine's January 2001 issue, "Designing People" by Sally Deneen, provides the environmental media's first in-depth coverage of the push for human germline manipulation and the emerging resistance to it. From the article: "The idea of redesigning human beings and animals to suit the primarily commercial goals of a limited number of individuals is fundamentally at odds with the principle of respect for nature." -- Brent Blackwelder, president, Friends of the Earth; Robert Musil, executive director, Physicians for Social Responsibility. "If people are concerned that there was such a severe backlash against genetically modified foods, I think they haven't seen anything compared to the backlash when we are able to alter the human genome." -- Beth Burrows, director, Edmonds Institute. "[W]hat we're talking about is a very deep understanding of what it means to be part of an intricate web of life, and why we have boundaries between speciesThis is no `marginal' movement or way of thinking. The group advocating human re-engineering includes extremely powerful, influential and wealthy people. So don't expect them to roll over easily or soon." -- Ignacio Chapela, professor, Department of Environmental Science, Policy and Management, University of California, Berkeley. The E Magazine website is www.emagazine.com. -- 2. French Best-Selling Novel Celebrates a Post-Human Future The new literary-artistic embrace of the techno-eugenic vision continues with publication in English of the 1998 French bestseller The Elementary Particles by Michel Houellebecq (Knopf, 2000). Houellebecq offers an unrelentingly dreary, dispiriting assessment of the possibility of meaningful human relationships at the turn of the millenium, but holds out the promise that genetic engineering and cloning will allow creation of a new post-human species that transcends humanity's tragic flaws. From the book (pp 262-264): "There remain some humans of the old species. At present their extinction seems inevitable. Contrary to the doomsayers, this extinction is taking place peaceably, despite occasional acts of violence, which also continue to decline. It has been surprising to note the meekness, resignation, perhaps even secret relief with which humans have consented to their own passing." From the reviews: - "This remarkable best-seller is France's biggest literary sensation since Francois Sagan...or since
[CTRL] FOWL' PLAY MADE PAIR THINK PLANE WENT DOWN
-Caveat Lector- http://www.nypostonline.com/news/regionalnews/20719.htm New York Post | 8 Jan. 2001 FOWL' PLAY MADE PAIR THINK PLANE WENT DOWN By LARRY CELONA and WILLIAM NEUMAN The search for a small plane that two New Jersey women thought they saw crash into the Hudson River turned out yesterday to be a wild-goose chase. A U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service pilot came forward to say he'd been flying low over the river - counting ducks and other waterfowl - at 8:30 a.m. Friday, the same time the women reported the supposed crash. His plane - a Partenabia Navion P68 Observer - matched the description of the white-and-blue aircraft the women told cops they'd seen flying over the George Washington Bridge before dropping into the river. The pilot, identified by police as Mark Konoff, told officials he flew over the bridge and then came in low over the water to conduct his survey. Konoff was unaware of the search-and-rescue operation until he learned of an FAA crash alert yesterday morning - and realized the description of the plane and the flight path matched his own. The pilot "flew over the George Washington Bridge and then descended over the Hudson at an altitude of about 100 feet," said Jim Peters, a spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration. "He was looking for ducks, then he flew off." At the same time, Leigh Russo, a human-resources executive from Dumont, N.J., was driving across the bridge and used her cell phone to call 911 - telling cops that she and a friend saw the plane go into the water. Police divers began searching the river immediately. Konoff learned of the crash alert when he called the Federal Aviation Administration to file a flight plan for the area around Albany, Syracuse and Watertown in upstate New York - where he was counting more ducks yesterday. Fish and Wildlife Service spokesman Craig Rieben described Konoff's work as "routine." He said the pilot would also have filed a flight plan with the FAA prior to his Hudson River trip, although it might not have been specific enough for officials to connect his aircraft to the crash report any earlier. "It's unfortunate that somebody thought we went down," Rieben said. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Abolish The Imperial Presidency
-Caveat Lector- PEOPLE AGAINST RACIST TERROR (PART) P.O. Box 1055 Culver City, CA 90232 Tel: 310-288-5003 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://people.we.mediaone.net/part2001/index.html - Thursday, 4 January 2001 - PART's Perspective: ABOLISH THE IMPERIAL PRESIDENCY This editorial, under the title: PART's Perspective: Abolish the Imperial Presidency appears in the new issue of "Turning the Tide: Journal of Anti-Racist Action, Research Education," Volume 13 number 4, Winter 2000-2001, available from PART (People Against Racist Terror), PO Box 1055, Culver City CA 90232. Samples are free; a four-issue subscription is $15 payable to Michael Novick, editor/publisher. George the Second, President-Select, takes office as the first U.S. president of the Twenty-first Century under an unprecedented cloud. Despite his media-maintained mantle of "inevitability," "Dubya" came in second to Al Gore in the balloting across the country, and even in the actual vote in the pivotal state of Florida. Bush's coup clings to a fig leaf of legality by virtue of the approval of five Justices of the US Supreme Court, all appointed or elevated by Reagan-Bush or Bush-Quayle. In Chile or the Philippines, such a coup would require bloody repression to enforce and martial law to maintain. Even in imperial metropoles like France or Germany, it would be greeted by massive street protests and civil strife. Yet in the U.S., the predominant response has been "relief" that the electoral uncertainty is over. Bush's mass base is in the old Confederacy, and he won through large-scale disenfranchisement of Black voters. Fittingly, he serves due to the Electoral College mechanism designed to placate the slave owning states, and by the anointment of 5 reactionaries and racists on the US Supreme Court. But he also "won" because in the campaign and in the post-electoral contest, Gore and the Democrats were more afraid of waking up the voters or rocking the boat, than they were of allowing Bush and the GOP to take power. Bush relies on the complacency of even most Democratic voters, and the still larger body of people who don't bother to vote. His reign, like those of supposedly more "legitimate" presidents, ultimately rests on the fact that masses of people in this country continue to "buy in" to our own oppression What has this "civics lesson from hell" taught us about the true nature of the government and society of the United States? Americans have learned that our votes don't count, may not be counted, and that in fact, under the Constitution, there is no "right to vote." Not only this time, but every time, the campaign and election are a necessary spectacle, a grand farce, a ceremonial exercise whose winner is pre-ordained, a contest with carefully circumscribed parameters so that, whoever wins, the rulers win. Well, the sausage-maker who has seen what goes into the casing would never eat a link. Hopefully, this exposure of the everyday criminality and subterfuge that passes for democracy will deepen our distaste to the point that the legitimacy of the entire state apparatus, not just the head of state, is called into question. We must begin to withdraw our consent to be governed in this way. It's a measure of the system's intolerance for even the narrowest dissent from the economic and political program demanded by the corporate elite, that they were forced to resort to this level of naked coup to install Bush in power. Gore and Bush differ only marginally on the best way to maintain and extend the U.S. empire and corporate economic interests. Even so, the more naked white supremacist and Christian right Bush camp could not countenance a Gore victory. They resent any concessions to the people of color, organized labor, bourgeois feminists and environmentalists in the Democratic Party's mass base. Opponents of Bush and defenders of democracy must recognize not only that Bush won the dollar election of corporate contributions, but also that an overwhelming majority of white male voters, and even a bare majority of white women voters, went for Bush, an ill-prepared and dim-witted liar whose main claim to the office, apart from inheritance, was his alleged "affability." This is a measure of the continuing grip of white supremacy and allegiance to empire on masses of Euro-Americans. It is this racist racial solidarity which must be broken with and challenged directly. More so than guns or the media monopoly, it is the main strength and resource of the system of exploitation and oppression. The problem is not just the illegitimacy of the gangster scion of a gangster family -- the Kennebunkport Corleones or Texas Prizzis, as the Bushes have been called -- though their multi-generational involvement in the secret government that links the intelligence agencies, organized crime, the fascists and the
[CTRL] Fwd: Don't Blame Liberals for Gun Control
-Caveat Lector- Don't Blame Liberals for Gun Control By Richard Poe FrontPageMagazine.com | January 8, 2001 URL: http://www.frontpagemag.com/editors_note/en01-08-01.htm ANTI-GUN CRUSADERS seem worried about the advent of a Republican administration. Heaven knows why. Republicans, in recent years, have managed to do nearly as much damage to the Second Amendment as Democrats. In 1969, journalist William Safire asked Richard Nixon what he thought about gun control. "Guns are an abomination," Nixon replied. According to Safire, Nixon went on to confess that, "Free from fear of gun owners' retaliation at the polls, he favored making handguns illegal and requiring licenses for hunting rifles." It was President George Bush, Sr. who banned the import of "assault weapons" in 1989, and promoted the view that Americans should only be allowed to own weapons suitable for "sporting purposes." It was Governor Ronald Reagan of California who signed the Mulford Act in 1967, "prohibiting the carrying of firearms on one's person or in a vehicle, in any public place or on any public street." The law was aimed at stopping the Black Panthers, but affected all gun owners. Twenty-four years later, Reagan was still pushing gun control. "I support the Brady Bill," he said in a March 28, 1991 speech, "and I urge the Congress to enact it without further delay." One of the most aggressive gun control advocates today is Republican mayor Rudolph Giuliani of New York City, whose administration sued 26 gun manufacturers in June 2000, and whose police commissioner, Howard Safir, proposed a nationwide plan for gun licensing, complete with yearly "safety" inspections. Another Republican, New York State Governor George Pataki, on August 10, 2000, signed into law what The New York Times called "the nation's strictest gun controls," a radical program mandating trigger locks, background checks at gun shows and "ballistic fingerprinting" of guns sold in the state. It also raised the legal age to buy a handgun to 21 and banned "assault weapons," the sale or possession of which would now be punishable by seven years in prison. Gun control crusaders argue that the Republicans are simply yielding to grassroots pressure, to gain political advantage. But polls show little evidence of such pressure A Gallup/CNN/USA Today survey taken in June 1999 - only two months after the Littleton massacre - showed that the number of Americans who favored stricter gun laws had declined by 20 percent since 1990. Public support for gun control has dwindled even further since then. An Associated Press poll released on the one-year anniversary of the Littleton shootings shows that Americans favor strict enforcement of existing laws over new gun laws - the exact position of the National Rifle Association (NRA) - by 42 to 33 percent. That same month, a survey by the Pew Research Center showed that only 6 percent of Americans believed that tougher gun laws would prevent future school shootings. Meanwhile, a Tarrance Group poll has shown that only 5 percent of Americans want gunmakers and gun dealers held responsible for misuse of firearms. Clearly, the pressure for gun control is not coming from the grassroots. It comes from those layers of society that the left calls the "ruling classes" - academics, Hollywood stars, Washington insiders and multibillion-dollar media conglomerates. The latter are particularly influential in pushing anti-gun propaganda. A study by the Media Research Center released in January 2000 showed that television news stories calling for stricter gun laws outnumbered those opposing such laws by a ratio of 10 to 1. The blame for this media bias is traditionally assigned to "liberal journalists." And, indeed, most journalists do hold left-of-center views. A 1996 survey of working journalists by the Roper Center and the Freedom Forum showed that 89 percent had voted for Bill Clinton in 1992. Only 4 percent identified themselves as Republicans and only 2 percent as conservatives. Yet, their "liberal" views probably have less impact on the media's anti-gun bias than most people assume. Rank-and-file reporters have little power to influence the political spin even of their own stories. When I worked at the New York Post in the mid-1980s, I found the newsroom filled with liberals. They grumbled constantly about the paper's conservative slant. But they went along with it, because it was company policy. Liberal news organizations are no different. Political bias comes from the top. Rank-and-file reporters simply do what they are told. Those of us who cherish our Second Amendment rights are keeping our fingers crossed about George W. Bush. But the monolithic commitment America's "ruling classes" have shown toward gun control makes one wonder whether even a president is free to buck the current. --- Richard Poe is editor of FrontPageMagazine.com and SlapHillary.com. He is the author of Black Spark, White Fire and other books. For more
[CTRL] AF News 9 Jan 01
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! 0026. Reservists airlift Mars craft to Kennedy Space Center by Maj. Tom Deall Air Reserve Personnel Center Public Affairs DENVER (AFPN) -- A 315th Airlift Wing C-17 Globemaster III aircrew from Charleston Air Force Base, S.C., transported the 2001 Mars Odyssey spacecraft from Buckley AFB, Colo., to Cape Canaveral at the Kennedy Space Center, Fla., Jan. 4. The Odyssey spacecraft, costing more than $176 million, is destined for the planet Mars. With a launch date of April 7, the craft will travel more than 400 million miles, said program manager Bob Berry of Lockheed Martin. However, to make the voyage, the spacecraft had to go to Florida for processing and loading on a Delta II rocket. "The Delta II rocket gets the Odyssey spacecraft on its way," said Jack Farmerie Jr., a Lockheed Martin spacecraft technician. "The rocket provides a three-stage operation during which it releases the Odyssey in the final stage." Like a bullet, the Odyssey is shot toward Mars where it spends the next seven months in flight until reaching its final destination, Farmerie said. To do this, the spacecraft travels more than 15,000 mph. Once near the red planet and before starting the Mars orbit insertion, the spacecraft must begin aerobraking. "Over a period of 76 days, the craft slows down to enter the elliptical orbit," Berry said. "There, the Odyssey will remain while scientists collect information here on Earth about Mars." At 8 feet high, 6 feet wide and weighing 1,650 pounds fully loaded, the Odyssey has the capability of sending data back to Earth in only 15 minutes. The spacecraft also has an onboard brain that can detect any problems or anomalies allowing scientists days or weeks to react to problems. The total cost of the operation, including the science payload, navigation equipment, operations, etc., is $300 million. Master Sgt. Jack Lewis, 701st Airlift Squadron loadmaster, captured the feeling of the entire crew about being assigned the mission. "Being tasked to fly this mission tells me that we are needed and that we provide a vital role for our nation," Lewis said. "We're here to move equipment and people for the Air Force. I consider it a compliment to have been asked to do such an important mission. (Courtesy of Air Force Reserve Command News Service) 0021. Undersecretary says farewell to Air Force WASHINGTON (AFPN) -- After serving on active duty for 20 years as an airman, noncommissioned officer and a commissioned officer, and the last 17 months as undersecretary of the Air Force, Carol DiBattiste has said goodbye to the Air Force and is returning to civilian life. Her resignation is official Jan. 8. "It has been phenomenal being part of the most powerful Air Force in the world," DiBattiste said. "I've had the best job anyone could ever imagine. We've got the best and brightest people serving this great nation. The Air Force has been my family since my first day at basic training nearly 30 years ago. Words can't describe how much I am going to miss it and our great people." DiBattiste will become a partner at the law firm Holland Knight. She will begin practicing in Washington in March and will relocate to its Miami office shortly thereafter. While holding the Air Force's second-highest civilian position, DiBattiste paved the way in tackling two of the most severe challenges facing today's military: recruiting and retention. During her tenure, the Air Force exceeded its fiscal 2000 recruiting goal of 34,000 by 369 recruits, after coming off of fiscal 1999's shortfall of 1,732 recruits -- the first time the service missed its recruiting goal in 20 years. The Air Force also implemented several new initiatives to boost its low retention rates including subsidizing extended child-care hours, establishing wing career assistance advisers and enhancing spouse employment opportunities. So far in fiscal 2001, the Air Force is witnessing improvements in its enlisted retention rates. For the third consecutive month, first-term re-enlistment rates have exceeded the goal of 55 percent. Additionally, second-term rates have also improved from 69 percent to 70 percent, while career rates have remained steady at 91 percent. "The combination of boosting our number of on-the-street recruiters, our tremendous television ad campaign, the ability to expand our enlistment and re-enlistment bonuses, and the push from all the senior leaders to get the word out about the Air Force to communities across the country, is an example of teamwork at its best," DiBattiste said. "The Air Force is nothing without its people," she said. "We have the most sophisticated aircraft and equipment on the planet, but without a dedicated force of talented and professional men and women they are of little use." DiBattiste was the service's first undersecretary with Air Force experience, the first to have enlisted
[CTRL] US Senate 100 Email Addresses (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 12:15:33 -0800 From: Sidney Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: APFN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: US Senate 100 Email Addresses Keep And Bear Arms http://www.keepandbeararms.com INFOWARS.com, a Presentation of the Energetic Alex Jones http://www.infowars.com/index.html In the immortal words of Yeshua the Messiah (most call Him Jesus) "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that you might have life, and that you might have it more abundantly." -- St. John 10:10. - Original Message - From: "spiker" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Recipient list suppressed Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 9:42 PM Subject: [infowars] US Senate 100 e-mail addresses [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.225 / Virus Database: 107 - Release Date: 12/22/00 _ "I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of others to differ from me in opinion" Thomas Jefferson "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.!" Hosea 4:6 or "There ain't no knowledge in the SECOND kick from a mule!" APFN ADVISOR American Patriot Friends Network (APFN) http://www.apfn.org APFN EMAIL LIST SUBSCRIBE/UNSCBSCRIBE IN SUBJECT LINE TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] APFN EGroups: http://www.egroups.com/subscribe.cgi/apfn APFN CONTENTS: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/apfncont.htm APFN MSG BOARD: http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb1075995 Public Education System vs Christian Home Schooling Home School News, Info. Links http://www.ordination.org/homeschool.htm Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy
[CTRL] US House 228 e-mail addresses (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 12:17:41 -0800 From: Sidney Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: APFN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: US House 228 e-mail addresses -- - Forwarded Message - DATE: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:58:01 From: "Archibald Bard" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Archibald Bard" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get busy, Folks! Archibald Bard Pro Libertate - For Freedom ICQ 83834746 Keep And Bear Arms http://www.keepandbeararms.com INFOWARS.com, a Presentation of the Energetic Alex Jones http://www.infowars.com/index.html In the immortal words of Yeshua the Messiah (most call Him Jesus) "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that you might have life, and that you might have it more abundantly." -- St. John 10:10. - Original Message - From: "spiker" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Recipient list suppressed Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 9:41 PM Subject: [infowars] US House 228 e-mail addresses [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL
[CTRL] The most ethical administration
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! âThe most ethical administrationâ -- -- © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com President Clintonâs first act after being sworn in Jan. 20, 1993, was issuing an executive order establishing what he characterized as âthe most ethical administration in American history.â His top aides would be banned from lobbying any agency of the U.S. government for five years after leaving office, he said. They would be forever barred from lobbying on behalf of any foreign government. Clinton took that action less than half an hour after he was sworn in. Thatâs how important it was. He got a big public relations boost from the action and from his accompanying claim that he wanted to âsend a signal that we are going to change politics as usual.â Clintonâs arrogant boast of creating âthe most ethical administrationâ quickly became a joke to those of us who followed the criminal and sub-criminal activities of the president himself and many of his top officials. But the real punch line came during the holidays. When Clinton thought no one was watching -- while Americans were focused on family and holiday activities and not paying much attention to the news -- he revoked his first executive order and lifted the phony ban on the future lobbying activities of his administrationâs top officials. White House mouthpiece Jake Siewert explained, in his usual disingenuous way, that the order was no longer needed because there wasnât much question of Clinton appointees exerting influence with members of President Bushâs incoming administration. White House Counsel Beth Nolan went further: âThe main policies underlying the executive order no longer apply when there is a change of parties at the White House. Because special access is no longer a concern, the special measures contained in the executive order are no longer necessary.â Do you believe this nonsense? First of all, there is more to the federal government than the executive branch. Second, influence peddling in Washington has always been a bipartisan scandal. Third, what about the foreign lobbying? And fourth, if what Nolan and Siewert said is true, and special access considerations are no longer a concern, why take any action at all? Why was it necessary to revoke the executive order? The truth of this action is this: Clinton is getting ready to cash in on his eight years feeding at the public trough, and he is setting the stage to allow his cronies to get their share of the action, too -- just as we always knew they would. âFor him to set a higher standard and then quietly remove it at the end of his administration is not just appalling, itâs breathtaking,â said Charles Lewis, executive director of the Center for Public Integrity. Iâll second that comment. Just when you think Clinton could no longer do anything to shock you, he finds a new depth of hypocrisy to plumb. âItâs just plain outrageous but I guess itâs not surprising given that itâs Clinton and given all the things he has done,â added Lewis. What can be done about this? Iâm not confident much of anything. But Iâll tell you what should be done. The incoming Bush administration should impose its own ban on lobbying contacts from the former Clinton administration once the transition is complete. Will Bush do it? I doubt it. The magnanimous spirit of bipartisanship infects the incoming administration from top to bottom. Thereâs a lot of talk these days about the need to restore respect for government institutions. Personally, I think itâs healthy that many Americans distrust government. I would prefer to see even more Americans distrust government. But how in the world are Americans expected to respect government service and government institutions when the revolving door of influence peddling continues so flagrantly? I want you to know, America, that Clinton has, once again, insulted your intelligence with this stroke of the pen. He thinks you arenât watching. He thinks you arenât paying attention. He thinks you donât care. He thinks you wonât or canât make him pay a price for this arrogance and for his eight years of criminal reign. I ask you, especially those who have criticized me for my skepticism of the incoming Bush administration, to use your influence with the new regime. Persuade Bushâs officials to punish the abuses of the last eight years. Convince them to bar the collaborators from public service in the new administration and from using their influence and access as lobbyists. Clearly, the lesson of Clintonâs first executive order is that promises from politicians donât mean much. Action is what counts. Letâs demand action from the Bush administration, not promises. -- --
[CTRL] FBI and CIA Need Honest Directors
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! FBI and CIA Need Honest Directors Reed Irvine Friday, Jan. 5, 2001 Dear President-elect Bush: Retaining Louis Freeh at the FBI and George Tenet at the CIA would signal that you have no intention of making a clean break with the dishonorable past. The FBI and CIA helped the Clinton White House cover up the truth about the death of Vincent Foster and the cause of the crash of TWA Flight 800. Both have refused FOIA requests for documents in their possession that would show their complicity in these cover-ups. Have someone check out the Web site FBIcover-up.com or examine the book "Failure of the Public Trust." One of the authors, Patrick Knowlton, is a key eyewitness in the Foster case. Another, John Clarke, is his attorney. They got the three judges who appointed Ken Starr to order him to include with his report on the Foster death a 20-page appendix that exposes its fatal flaws. Knowlton provided evidence confirmed by two other eyewitnesses that proved that Fosterâs car did not reach the Fort Marcy parking lot until long after his death. Starrâs FBI agents tried to get Knowlton to change his account of what he saw, and they had him subjected to intimidating harassment when he refused to cooperate in the cover-up. The other two eyewitnesses who confirmed his testimony were still in the park when Fosterâs body was found. The description they gave of the one car they had seen parked there agreed with Knowltonâs description. They were questioned in sight of Fosterâs light gray 1989 Honda Accord. They said that the car they had seen parked in that space only an hour earlier was older, smaller and brownish. Special Prosecutor Robert Fiske and Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr couldnât refute what these eyewitnesses said, but they didnât want to accept it. Their reports misrepresented some of it and ignored most of it. The FBI played an important role in the cover-up, and the CIA has been sitting on a report since the day after Fosterâs death that is believed to expose deception by the U.S. Park Police. Accuracy in Media has filed a FOIA suit to get it. They neither affirm nor deny that they have it. I hope that you do not share the view of Sen. Don Nickles, who was asked by Paul Weyrich in 1997 why the Republicans in Congress were not doing anything about the Foster case. He said it was because "the implications of it all are too horrible for us to deal with." Weyrich said, "When I asked him to elaborate he replied, âWell, if Foster didnât die the way Fiske says he did, then it is likely the president is somehow involved, and if he is, the democratic process simply canât survive such a disclosure.â " When Weyrich made this public Nickles issued a denial, but I trust Paul Weyrich. The FBI is also deeply involved in the cover-up of the cause of the crash of TWA Flight 800. The Justice Department prosecuted journalist James D. Sanders and TWA Capt. Terry Stacey, a member of the investigating team, because they had a small strip of foam rubber from a seat on the plane analyzed to see if a red residue could have come from a missile. The analysis showed that was possible. The FBI, which has never published its own analysis, claimed the residue was a 3-M adhesive, but analysis of the adhesive did not resemble the analysis of the residue that was done for Sanders. FBI agents were seen removing evidence, changing the location where it was found, and even pounding it with a hammer to alter its shape. Not one was prosecuted. The FBI and CIA collaborated to discredit every eyewitness who had seen something that could have been a missile. The CIA produced a video simulation of the crash. It was shown when James Kallstrom announced the closing of the FBI investigation. The video was based on the theory that all those who said they had seen a rocket or flare had really seen nothing but TWA 800 after it blew up. It claimed that after the center-wing fuel tank exploded and the nose broke off, the tail dropped and the huge jet shot up 3,000 feet, trailing burning fuel. It said some witnesses mistook that for a missile and others made the same mistake when the plane was falling into the sea. But radar data show that the speed of the plane increased from 385 knots to 460 knots after it blew up. It accelerated because it was falling, not climbing. Eyewitnesses, including Michael Wire and Dwight Brumley, who were praised by the CIA as excellent witnesses, were insulted by the CIAâs misrepresentation of what they saw. The FBI and CIA must be led by directors who will prove their honesty by releasing the documents that will tell the truth about what happened to Vince Foster, TWA 800 â and to the POWs we abandoned in Vietnam. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who
[CTRL] Assault on U.S. Sovereignty
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Assault on U.S. Sovereignty Oliver North Jan. 5, 2001 WASHINGTON â On New Year's Eve, while most Americans were at home or with friends celebrating the advent of a new year, William Jefferson Clinton, with but 21 days left in office, picked up a phone at the Camp David presidential retreat and launched yet another effort to grant himself a legacy. The call prompted David J. Scheffer, "U.S. ambassador-at-large for war-crimes issues," to race from Washington to U.N. headquarters in New York City to meet a midnight deadline for making the United States a signatory to the 1998 Treaty of Rome and the creation of an International Criminal Court (ICC). With that one phone call, our soon-to-be-former head of state gained for himself effusive accolades from the blame-America-first crowd â and committed the ultimate assault on U.S. sovereignty. In directing that the United States become one of the last of 138 nations to sign this ill-advised document, Clinton formally obligated us to "uphold the principles and purposes" of the ICC. By so doing, he has endangered the liberty of every American civilian, military or public official, including his successors as president. Most in the so-called mainstream media barely noticed. But Senator Jesse Helms (Rep-N.C.) did. The chairman of the Senate Committee for Foreign Relations, and an outspoken critic of the United Nations, promptly released a statement declaring that one of his highest priorities in the 107th Congress will be "to protect America's fighting men and women from this international kangaroo court." The White House, of course, spins it all differently, claiming in a statement that "signature will enhance our ability to further protect U.S. officials from unfounded charges." But, as Senator Helms and other critics point out, that simply isn't true. Neither is the false assurance in the presidential release that "court jurisdictions (sic) over U.S. personnel should come only with U.S. ratification of the treaty." Either Bill Clinton is lying (could that be?), or he hasn't bothered to wade through the fine print of the five-inch thick, 128-article text of the treaty. The ICC document creates an international star chamber under the auspices of the UN that claims criminal jurisdiction over every person in the world, regardless of whether their nation has ratified the treaty. What this might mean to those of us who have placed their trust in the provisions of the Fourth, Fifth, Sixth or Eighth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution will be up to the interpretation of 18 judges â only one of whom may or may not be an American. Under the treaty, a U.S. soldier serving in Bosnia could be apprehended by local authorities for an offense, real or imagined, turned over to the ICC and flown to the Hague where he could rot for months, or await trial â without the benefit of what we consider due process. No speedy trial; no confronting accusers; no protection from double jeopardy; not even the unanimous verdict of a jury is required for conviction. The ICC metes out justice by majority vote of the foreign judges presiding at trail. Articles 15, 42, 53, 54, 86 and 87 of the treaty grant the ICC prosecutor global authority to bring charges anywhere, against anyone. The prosecutor can collect secret evidence that's never revealed to the defendant â only to the jurists hearing his or her case. And it's not only "citizen soldiers" who are subject to the whimsy of this system. Article 27 of the treaty grants the ICC jurisdiction over "Heads of Nations, Legislators, Parliamentarians and Other Officials." Military officers don't even have to know that a crime has been committed by the most junior members of their units in order to be investigated and tried. Article 28 demands the prosecution of commanders who "should have known" that their subordinates "were committing or about to commit" crimes. This sounds fair to those who want to try Slobodan Milosevic, his military commanders, and secret police thugs for decades of brutality in the Balkans. It seems good for the perpetrators of mass genocide in Rwanda, Sierra Leone or East Timor. But what about when it's our president, our Congress, our Secretary of Defense, our CIA director, or our senior military commanders? You don't have to be a xenophobe to ask if this really is about justice â or is it about suborning American sovereignty? Given these terrible liabilities, why did Bill Clinton wait until late on New Year's Eve to make us signatories to this horrific treaty? Proponents of the ICC say that it's to protect "human rights." But conspiracy buffs say that our soon-to-be-unemployed-and-disbarred head of state is seeking a pad in New York City, and claim this is all part of his plot to become secretary-general of the U.N. Others observe that it's Bill Clinton's final revenge on the military he loathes. Whatever it is,
[CTRL] Nitpicking the Cabinet
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Nitpicking the Cabinet Brent Bozell Jan. 5, 2001 If George W. Bush hopes to create a more successful presidency than his father's, he will begin his term by recognizing the immutable Washington reality that there is no reliable way of gaining love and praise from the liberal media if you don't share their ideological bent. You could, of course, surrender your principles (see Bush the First's disastrous read-my-flips, tax-raising 1990 budget deal). But as that proved, it will do you exactly zilcho good at re-election time. The new Bush administration may appear to many Americans to be an opportunity for a fresh political start, but there is no way the media elite will find anything refreshing or exciting about the Republicans coming to town. Instead, it will find a way to criticize the new team any way it can. When Bush began with Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice, the media yawned, since Bush had signaled their appointments months earlier. Besides, since neither of these is tarred by an association with the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy, not much would have been fussed about in any event. When Bush followed that with a slate of Dick Cheney's Ford administration colleagues, the mood changed swiftly. Out came the usual pundits, making jokes about Bush being Cheney's No. 2, and accusing the picks of being an old and utterly boring set of retreads. (Couldn't all this previous experience in government be a plus after eight years of the likes of county prosecutor Janet Reno?) Clearly, media naysayers like Bryant Gumbel insisted, Bush is signaling he's a weak leader who will allow his Cabinet to run the government. But then Bush named Sen. John Ashcroft as his attorney general designate, and all media hell broke loose. How dare Bush nominate a ... a ... conservative! The pro-aborts were ushered quickly onto the news sets to declare that Ashcroft wouldn't enforce the laws protecting their abortion businesses. Black leftists were given the microphone to portray Ashcroft as Missouri's answer to David Duke. Journalists jumped in. Time's Jack White called him an "extremist" whose "positions on civil rights are about as sensitive as a hammer blow to the head." It "raised questions about the sincerity of Bush's attempts to reach out to blacks." Naturally, White said nothing about the sincerity of black leaders after they put out a TV ad calling him a murderer and compared his Florida forces to the racist cops who pummeled black protesters at Selma, Ala., in the '60s. When Bush named Gov. Christie Todd Whitman to run the Environmental Protection Agency and former Colorado Attorney General Gale Norton to run the Interior Department, the media awarded Bush no points for placating moderates or pro-abortion Republican women. (The New York Times headline noted "Conservative Ashcroft" would be nominated but didn't balance that by referring to "liberal" or even "moderate" Whitman in the same headline. She was just "Whitman.") At the same time, Norton was portrayed as a frightening "James Watt protege." Forget that the media never feel the need to accept that we somehow failed to all get lung cancer and die during Watt's allegedly horrid reign in the Reagan years. Why is ideological guilt by association so acceptable when it's Republicans, but never an issue with the Democrats? Were any of Bill Clinton's nominees (or unconfirmed relatives) connected to their liberal mentors? Was Hillary scarily described as a "Marian Wright Edelman protege"? Would her summer of work for communist lawyer Robert Treuhaft make her a "communist protege"? No. Instead, leftists like Donna Shalala were cast as centrists: Al Hunt hilariously insisted Shalala was "no lefty" since the University of Wisconsin football coach didn't want her to leave her college presidency. When Hillary's leftist pick Lani Guinier was dumped, Newsweek called it "A Hard Right Turn." While some reporters noted the Cabinet nominees are far more pragmatic than dogmatic, others, like Washington Post reporter Dana Milbank, found the entire Bush gang to be "a firmly conservative Cabinet," exempting only Whitman. Nobody in the press corps noted how Clinton assembled "a firmly liberal Cabinet." Will this new administration be dominated by conservatives driving an ideological agenda? That certainly remains to be seen, but the odds don't favor this at all. Cato Institute budget guru Steve Moore depressingly predicts: "Now that the Republicans control the White House, the Senate and the House, the federal budget is going to go through the roof â rising much faster than it did even under Clinton." The media aren't predicting the future here. They're just recycling the press releases of liberal activist groups as they unload their opposition research files on the Bush picks. The activist groups and their media friends don't really expect any of these Cabinet picks will be dumped.
[CTRL] MTV SNUBS BUSH; NO INAUGURAL PARTY PLANNED AFTER CLINTON BLOWOUTS
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! X DRUDGE REPORT X MON JAN 08, 2001 10:09:42 ET X MTV SNUBS BUSH; NO INAUGURAL PARTY PLANNED AFTER CLINTON BLOWOUTS **Exclusive** After hosting two consecutive Inauguration celebrations for the Clinton presidency, MTV NETWORKS has decided to snub George W. Bush when he takes the oath in Washington later this month. The final decision not to celebrate the new president was made by Sumner Redstone, CEO of VIACOM, MTV's parent company, according to sources. Repeated calls to Redstone, whose company recently awarded an $8 million book deal to first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton, went unreturned. "We are not doing anything this year, we are sitting it out," confirmed MTV spokeswoman Andrea Manning in New York on Monday morning. When asked why MTV was not holding a Bush event this year, one MTV staffer in New York laughed: "He's not a Democrat." The Bush snub raises questions about MTV's claim that its Choose or Lose and Rock the Vote campaigns are nonpartisan efforts to increase voter participation with the nation's youth. "We have no intention of endorsing any candidate in this race, directly or indirectly," claimed Dave Sirulnick, director of MTV news in 1992. Yet the network rolled out the red carpet and went heavy rotation after a Clinton victory. President Clinton proclaimed onstage at the MTV Ball in January 1993, "Everybody here knows that MTV has a lot to do with the Clinton-Gore victory." "Thank you, MTV!" gloated Al Gore, in front of 4,000 partygoers. "Thank you for winning this election. You did it!" In '97, First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton was honored at the MTV/CONDE NAST "Pre-Inaugural Cocktail Party" at the Corcoran Gallery of Art. Rep. Barney Frank and actor Kevin Spacey partied together at the Corcoran, along with Sumner Redstone. "The Bush family is in to the REAL thing, Country Western, so who cares what these punks at MTV do," noted one observer. --- Filed By Matt Drudge *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Has America lost its Goodness?
-Caveat Lector- And that is how it has been for thousands of years. Basic life. Too bad we have been led so far from the path. On Sun, 7 Jan 2001 19:31:59 -0600 kl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- On Sun, 07 Jan 2001 12:00:03 -0800, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: In the America of older times, whole families of children were taken in by neighbors if their parents died. Widows received food, fuel and other help from neighbors if it was needed. The old were kept in the homes and maintained; so were the mentally and physically afflicted. Hungry people were given food. Sick people were helped and treated by neighbors and doctors who could only hope for remuneration. Neighbors helped each other with the plowing, the planting and the harvesting. If a woman died in childbirth and the baby lived, a neighbor woman might volunteer to nurse the child along with her own. In other words, people cared for and helped people. Anyone offering or receiving such help these days will very likely be paid a visit by the IRS demanding their cut. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: NOV - DEC coldest on record
-Caveat Lector- Don't let the short term fluctuations fool you. Global Warming is happening. Pollutants and chemicals in the atmosphere are harmfull, but in the cycle of weather over the long haul, we have been in a general warming trend for the past 14,000 years. Change is not always bad, we could lose most of California and all of Florida;) On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:03:17 -0600 Amelia [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- So are we in immenent danger from global warming or not? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20010105/aponline133428_000= .htm Nov.-Dec. Was Coldest on Record=20 By Randolph E. Schmid=20 Associated Press Writer=20 Friday, Jan. 5, 2001; 1:34 p.m. EST=20 WASHINGTON =AD=AD The suspicions of millions of shivering Americans were confirmed Friday by government weather experts it was the nation's coldest November-December period. "Two months in a row of much below average temperatures resulted in the coldest November-December U.S. temperature on record, 33.8 degrees Fahrenheit," said Jay Lawrimore, chief of the Climate Monitoring Branch at the National Climatic Data Center. This broke the old record of 34.2 set in 1898. It was the country's second coldest November nationwide and the seventh coldest December, according to records kept by the Center in Asheville, N.C. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 93 Christians Killed For Not Coverting to Islam
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:09:55 -0500 Marilyn Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- On 7 Jan 01, at 14:01, Jayson R. Jones wrote: Every time I bring this up in public there is a dead silence. How can churches get away with running for profit schools, factories, rentals, and such and not pay taxes? The Organized Chruches in this country are vastly rich, and getting ever richer. Yet they do not pay taxes. Jayson Actually, money and poverty has always been a major issue within the church and I do believe that some groups who advocated following Jesus' example and living austerely, frugally, and sharing cooperatively with others --which you may call "socialistic" or even "communistic" --have been excommunicated for the commission of heresy. I believe this was one of the issues between the Cathars and the Church leading to horrific massacres--See The Albegensian heresy. I very much admire the way the Amish, and others of that mindset, live. I do not mean the beliefs they hold or their religious practices. What I mean is they live simply, and well. They take care of the land, and themselves at the same time. The are respectfull to each other and share equally. That is neither socialism nor communism. The Church, it seems, is aligned with money--since money gives power. Humility and poverty are reserved for poor priests whose parishes embrace the poor in remote outposts. "The Name of the Rose" by Umberto Ecco also had this issue of money/poverty as a central issue and it did involve, if I remember correctly, advocating poverty as a heresy. sno0wl I don't know where you're going here. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory
-Caveat Lector- There has been much research that shows the power of the mind over the body. Some of the better known are the studies using cancer patients. The ceremony was part of the cure. The patient believes that the medicine will work and therefore it does. An advancement of the Placebo Effect. Your mind can make you sick and your mind can heal your body. Ceremony is the delivery vehicle. Makes no difference if it is White Witchcraft, VooDoo, Christian Prayer or any other ceremony; if you believe it will cure you then it probably will help you. Combine that with knowledge of natural medicine and you have a pretty good medical system for most patients. We know that brain surgery took place at least 5000 years ago, and the patients survived. (Healed areas in anciet skulls prove this). We have physical evidence of the use of many herbs that go back 35,000 years, and they are the chemical basis for much of what we have today. The use of wine, beer and marijuana can be traced back at least 8000 years, and are today being understood as good for you in moderate amounts. It is the belief, not what is believed, that has power. On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:20:43 - Johannes Schmidt III [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- The lethal nature of medicine in centuries past is well documented, however the effectiveness of traditional medicines in some areas is/was little better. Your points about midwifery are quite true, this is an area which women have always been pre-eminent. However, none of this alters the fact that, with the exception of a few hapy co-incidences, the types of cures offered by 'Wise Women' etc., consisted mainly of prayers, invoking of angels or devils, talismans, potions with no beneficial effect, strange rituals (animal sacrifice, burying potatoes in the light of the moon, unlikely aphrodisiacs) etc. I am sure there are numerous practices which have a negative effect on subjects practiced by WW, but which aren't much touted by their fanclub. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Would you strip to beat a DWI ticket?
-Caveat Lector- So your just a more expensive stripper8-) What would it take to get a dance thrown in? On Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:14:54 -0500 Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Ah Jayson, I would strip for 15 million dollars - two different women now sue for 15 million each...if this was the man and he was a policeman, wonder if someone did not make a deal. Now this alleged officer, was he on duty? Was he a real policeman? What a set up - who are these ladies - well wonder someone had not set up a camera in advance - like Rodney King and Zapruder film.. Did anybody see these "ladies" walking home in the cold in that condition? 15 million dollars? Yes I think for 15 million dollars I would oben an officers commandand split 50/50 with him after the suit is filed. Were any of these ladies prostitutes? Soundns like a scene from that Stern's show not too long ago where this woman was paid to go into streets in - well almost nothing. Even playboy doesn't pay that much. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Has America lost its Goodness?
-Caveat Lector- Bob, While I don't agree with every word, I certainly agree with the general tone of what yu said. All to often we argue amongst ourselves as to the proper label, to which nuance are we addressing which comment, etc. I truly believe that most people would agree with most of what you said. If we ever got together and realized we had essentially the same goals, but differed as to the causes, means and philosophies, there would be another revolution in this country. On Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:02:04 EST Bob Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/7/01 1:12:56 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why is sex the only thing that strikes you as immoral? In the America of older times, whole families of children were taken in by neighbors if their parents died. Widows received food, fuel and other help from neighbors if it was needed. The old were kept in the homes and maintained; so were the mentally and physically afflicted. Hungry people were given food. Sick people were helped and treated by neighbors and doctors who could only hope for remuneration. Neighbors helped each other with the plowing, the planting and the harvesting. If a woman died in childbirth and the baby lived, a neighbor woman might volunteer to nurse the child along with her own. In other words, people cared for and helped people. That is the goodness that DeTocqueville was talking about. It was unlikely that he spent his time dwelling on the possibility that women were having abortions or that there was homosexuality loose in the land. In this day, when neighbors are only concerned about controlling the actions of their neighbors and trying to amass the most "stuff," there is every possibility that DeTocqueville would believe that "goodness" has been lost. You've made some very good observations and comments here. Things were very different before WWII. Government wasn't involved in every aspect of our lives. People lived together as real neighbors that cared for each other. They depended on each other, not the Mommy-Daddy government we have today. The government didn't regulate everything and give tax advantages to corporate (rich) interests. Taxes were a very small part of a person's income, then the "Do-gooders" of the Democratic Party changed things to help the poor, the minorities, the infirm, the people who could not control their sexual urges or their urges that made them rape, kill, murder, steal ... after all these people weren't bad people and drunks weren't drunks by choice, an illness made them drink ... they were "sick" not irresponsible (and the Republicans went along with it). Few people worked for massive corporations -- they worked at jobs where the business was owned by local people -- they didn't buy groceries in a Supermarket, they bought them at the Mom Pop grocery store. They didn't go out and buy a Japanese or German car, they bought an American car made by an American, their neighbors. Fact is nearly everything they bought was made in America. Neighborhoods stayed together, people lived in the same house most of their life rather than being moved all over the country by the Corporation for which they work. Then the Republicans got in office and used their influence to give even more power to corporate interests in the name of Americanism and proceeded to set the stage for moving businesses from a local level to a national level resulting in mega-business and an end to the neighborhood economy (and the Democrats helped pass these measures). All this time both parties passed tens of thousands of laws and regulations to control people who couldn't control themselves and to supposedly help people who couldn't help themselves. And, We the People voted for all these politicians who changed life in America to what it is today until our culture no longer exists. We brought this shitty way of life on ourselves by not being wary of government -- now only an armed revolution will end the relationship between government and Corporations. Any thing less than armed resistance will be futile because those that have the power aren't going to give it up without a fight. It's not about sex, it's about common decency, but common decency has been redefined by those that make the laws and define what is taught in schools so that now there is not any common decency even at the highest levels of government, in once respected teaching positions and certainly all respect for police has also been mitigated. It's not about sex, nor morality -- we've lost common courtesy and have only ourselves to blame ... Conspiracy maybe had something to do with it, but selfishness and not bothering to care about the important things in life are the real causes. If decent men and women had cared enough about this country and their children -- things would not be this way, but if you do nothing, the corrupt individuals will define government and
Re: [CTRL] Would you strip to beat a DWI ticket?
-Caveat Lector- So each of the ladies sued for $15,000,000 according to web - yet the officer if it was a police officer, has not even been to trial? One item indicated law suit to be filed or was filed..was the guy driving a cruiser, did they get the cruiser number - years ago we had a man who drove around with a flashing lite on the top of his car who would pull over women late at night - he eventually got caught but he was not a polliceman. So if I wanted to be rich - I would call let us say a crooked cop and say hey, do this - I sue, and we split the money.. Could any cop be this stupid - knowing he would be identified? And drunk driving - how drunk were these ladies - not all the facts out yet. So Jayson, imagine they will all be on TV and writing more books - perhaps the officer will plead temporary insanity if it was him..but the ladies better be of good character without a record or their $15,000,000 might trickle down to just a few bucks out of court. So Jayson, these days things are just not as they sometimes seem to be. Would I strip for $15,000,000 - fifteen million dollars that is - yes, but for $1,200 which would have been drunk driving cost - hell no. I have some pride. Whenever you see a cop talking at a payphone, you can be sure he isn't talking to his moher or wifie...and cop meet some strange people at times - no lady would strip for anybody to avoid a DUI..but to sue for 15 million dollars, well maybe everything does have a price - besides, the one "lady" kept on her underthings... The one also looked like a floosie. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory
-Caveat Lector- All your sophistry in these series of emails can be summed up very quickly: I am clearly (to you at least) ignorant on these subjects because I haven't read the 2 books you have pointed out. You have neatly tried to discredit all my questions by simply accusing me of being ignorant. You fail to answer my questions however, such as: If modern Wicca is the direct incarnation of an old or ancient religion (as it's adherent's claim), where is the evidence for this? Are there any primary written sources to prove this? Your answer is no. Are there any historical artifacts which prove this? Your answer is no. Is there any evidence of the existence of items so beloved of modern Witches such as the Book of Shadows or the Athame knife, which all witches are supposed to possess, being around before the 1950s? The answer is no. Previous religions are irrelevant if they do not provide a clear link to the current Wiccan religion. You may have forgotten but the original contention was that Wiccans are trying to pass off their modern religion as an ancient religion with a long tradition. These claims are bunk. The 'golden age' when women ruled the Earth and matriachy was predominant is also, by the way, bunk. It is part of the mythology of Wiccans, which I find every but as silly as Christians who at least can document where their beliefs came from. I will check out the books you have mentioned, however I am not expecting any great scholarship. We can hypothesise about various religions and their possible link to modern witchcraft (Animism, Druidism, Greek and Roman Gods, Traditional religions, Pre-historic religions etc.). But it is all hypothesis. If there is some clear link please spell it out. Don't ask me to go and get a degree in the subject, don't become derogatory (which is a good sign that you have no argument) but enlighten us on the pre-mid 1950s origins of Witchcraft. Regards and watch out for those death squads, Joe. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Placebos
-Caveat Lector- The effectiveness of placebo cures is well documented, however you should remember they work in only a small number of cases overall. By their very nature, if I were to dance naked around your bed yelling and beating myself could have a placebo effect if I told you it would drive out the evil spirits, but personally I would rather something more reliable like anti-biotics, anti-psychotics, anti-depressants, painkillers, blood thinning medication, asthma ventilators, and all the other miracles which are found in the modern medical cabinet. Pre 20th century medicine was primitive, but despite all the horrible things you would expect a lot of people didn't die. In the US civil war, there were many thousands of combatants who lost arms and legs but did not die of infections or shock. People who got serious infections didn't always die, although you would expect them to. The body itself has natural mechanisms for defeating many illnesses and injuries under ideal conditions. People like good news. If a faith healer 'heals' 100 people, or 1,000 people, and one of them is miraculously cured, people are ecstatic. No matter if the person relapses days or months later, or may not have been sick in the first place (except psychologically). A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Global Network Against Weapons Nuclear Power in Space
-Caveat Lector- Subject: [abolition-caucus] SPACE COMMISSION GREASES SKIDS FOR RUMSFELD Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:40:15 -0500 From: "Global Network Against Weapons Nuclear Power in Space" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPACE COMMISSION SET TO REPORT TO CONGRESS PAVING THE WAY FOR RUMSFELD AND STAR WARS On January 11, the same day that the Senate Armed Services Committee begins public hearings on the Rumsfeld nomination for Secretary of Defense, the Commission to Assess U.S. National Security Space Management and Organization is to release its findings after more than a year of study. Established by members of Congress who claim that preparations to protect U.S. "Space Assets" are inadequate, the commission's report will likely pave the way for Star Wars. The commission was led by Donald Rumsfeld, President-select George W. Bush's nominee for Secretary of Defense, who has pledged to make the missile "defense", and the space-based laser, a top priority. Three former leaders of the U.S. Space Command are commission members and there is no doubt that the timing of the "Commission's report", on the same day that Rumsfeld's confirmation hearings begin, are intended to create the momentum to sweep Rumsfeld into his new cabinet seat without a word of controversy. While the media and some in Congress question the appointments of Ashcroft, Chavez, and Norton, the move toward Star Wars and the expenditure of over $100 billion to get there is not open for public discussion. The creation of a new arms race in space and the U.S. violation of the ABM and Outer Space Treaties seems to be an insignificant issue to the corporate controlled media. The aerospace industry has the media in the bag. Now they are lining up Congress to ease through the Rumsfeld nomination. Once done they figure not a wimper will be heard from the American people. The new space "control and domination" regime will be underway and massive corporate welfare for the industry will be in place. Further cuts in social spending will have to come next to pay for the enormous costs in Star Wars. We urge all who are concerned to immediately contact your two U.S. Senators to urge them to fight Star Wars. The real fight to stop Star Wars begins with the issue of Senate approval of Donald Rumsfeld as Secretary of Defense. Call your Senators as soon as possible via the Congressional Switchboard at: (202) 224-3121. Please act now before it is too late! Bruce K. Gagnon Coordinator Global Network Against Weapons Nuclear Power in Space PO Box 90083 Gainesville, Fl. 32607 (352) 337-9274 http://www.space4peace.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the Abolition Global Caucus, send an email from the account you wish to be subscribed to: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" Do not include a subject line or any text in the body of the message. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: [Spy News] Star Wars/SBIRS]
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: [Spy News] Star Wars/SBIRS Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:22:57 - From: "Julie-ann" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On this subject there are going to be several protest organised against star wars in the UK CAAB Campaign for the Accountability of American Bases, and others, have been very active in this for quite a while, as bases here, including the notorious Menwith Hill, will be used as relay stations and for other peurposes. The Russians and Chinese have already gone on the record as saying that they will take SBIRS as a signal to step up the nuclear race. If anyone wants details or to be put in touch with the campaign, being of a like mind, mail me off-list and I'll forward your mail. Julie-ann Davies ___ "How about I give you the finger -- And you cram that file up your Secret Service sphincter?." _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com == SPY NEWS is OSINT newsletter and discussion list associated to Mario's Cyberspace Station http://mprofaca.cro.net/mainmenu.html == *** NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to SPYNEWS eGroup members who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml -- To subscribe SPYNEWS send a blank message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your subscription mode to Daily Digest (one message a day) send a blank message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe SPYNEWS send a blank message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mario Profaca, SPY NEWS eGroup list owner, editor moderator mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SPY NEWS home page: http://www.egroups.com/group/spynews Spy books, handbooks and manuals: http://mprofaca.cro.net/manuals.html = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (CTRL) Krazy kLuM Kwestions for Kansan
Morpheus wrote: Subject: Re: Krazy kLuM Kwestions for Kansan From: Morpheus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/7/01 4:17 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] As-Salaamu 'Alaykum, Kansan1225 Peace Be Upon You It's been about a years since I last coresponded with you and was wondering if you are well and how you are doing. I have thought of you on several occasions. Did you see the film Magnolia? There is one full screen shot of somebody's hand who is wearing a Masonic ring. I was wondering why the importance of that shot is, and why a ful screen for no mistakng it. I was also thinking about our communications about the ominous troubles regarding the Dome of the rock for the year 2001, where so much trouble has now emerged. General Arial Sharon (in Greek legend Sharon is the ferrier that takes dead souls across the river Stix into the underworld [spiritual realm], walked around the monument and proclaimed that this belonged to him (Israel),. which is what so enraged the Palestinians a couple months ago. The dome of the Rock is the monument that represents where the Prophet made his night journey from--Maraaj. It is next to the ruins of Solomon's second temple which the Jews now want to rebuild. What do you think about all this in regards to the CLUMSs nefarious work? Is Sharon thought to be the antiChrist? He might become the next President of Israel. Best wishes, Morpheus (long before the movie) Wa 'aleykum as-Salaam, Morpheus. With the problems at m.a.m. it is hard to keep in touch. It is interesting to see how many people ignore the importance of the Temple Mount even when world events seem to always revolve around it. Sharon's visit there set off the most recent series of troubles. I don't think Sharon can be the Antichrist, although he is advancing the Beast's cause. The CLuM scenario is proceeding. The twin Presidential evils have been followed by a twin leadership in the U.S. Senate: the 50-50 power-sharing agreement is another visible manifestation of the duality expressed in the Seal of Solomon, or Suleiman, the Lord of the Jinn. Kansan1225 wrote: Chive Mynde wrote: Subject: Krazy kLuM Kwestions for Kansan From: Chive Mynde [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/5/01 4:46 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: 9348ma$780$[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you were President of the USA, what would your platform be, and how would you accomplish it in four years? The struggle against the unclean spirits is primarily a spiritual one. Worldly power is not a very effective weapon against them. Also, what's the cLuM dirt on Bush, if you don't mind? Thanks in advance. You are welcome. George Walker Bush is exactly what I mean by a clandestine Luciferian Mason (CLuM). He is not a member of a public Masonic Lodge, providing in this way plausible deniability to Masonry. He is a member of Skull and Bones, a higher-level Masonic-type secret society. Skull and Bones is the most prominent chapter of the Illuminati in New Atlantis, a.k.a. the USA. The other twin Presidential evil, Albert Arnold Gore, had been under the tutelage of Avraham ben Yahuda ha-Maccabee, a.k.a. Armand Hammer. Hammer's father was one of the founders of the American Communist Party and had the distinction of being imprisoned in both the U.S. (for a murderous abortion) and Germany (for business shenanigans). Comrade Armand Hammer owned Senator Albert Gore, Sr., and his ownership was extended to Albert, Jr. As I have written many times before, the George "Poppy" Bush Presidential Library in College Station, TX, close to Texas AM, is crowned by the Star of David, or Seal of Solomon, the most important Cabbalistic and Masonic symbol. - Chive -- "The other day, I was walking my dog around my building--on the ledgeSome people are afraid of heights. Not me. I'm afraid of widths." - Steven Wright Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
[CTRL] Germans infiltrate INLA
-Caveat Lector- This is the sort of important story I highlight daily at http://leviathan.weblogs.com http://www.independent.ie/2001/7/n01i.shtml German spy exposed as key INLA mole Ian Cobain in Berlin AN EXTRAORDINARY operation mounted by German intelligence officers against a republican terrorist group has been revealed. A German agent risked his life to infiltrate the INLA and lure its then chief of staff, Hugh Torney, to Germany to buy Semtex explosive to make bombs. The chance to cut off the INLA's European arms pipeline and place its leader behind bars was, however, squandered when German police set the terrorist free. Torney went on to organise a series of bomb and gun attacks in Northern Ireland. Among the victims was a girl of nine murdered in a drive-by shooting. Posing as a leftwing extremist and republican sympathiser, the German agent had watched as Torney and an accomplice, Sean Green, purchased the Semtex. Green went on to take part in a letter bomb campaign whose victims included the unionist leaders David Trimble and Jeffrey Donaldson. Details of the secret operation are revealed in a series of confidential reports prepared by the German domestic intelligence agency, the Bundesamt fur Verfassungsschutz (BfV), the federal prosecutors office and Stuttgart police. They show that the agent joined the INLA in the mid-1990s and eventually became a trusted confidant of its leadership. He is thought to have made contact with leading INLA figures while posing as a member of an extreme left-wing German organisation called Revolutionary Cells. Apparently working closely with Britain's MI5, he helped to set up the sting operation in August 1994, when the IRA was about to announce a ceasefire but the INLA was widely expected to continue its terror campaign. (The Times, London) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] The GW Bush Gang: IG Farben 2001 by RLederman
-Caveat Lector- Like that cabinet, 'eh? Welcome to the new frontier of colonialism for the 21st century - the total domination and exploitation of the earth and everything(everyone!) in it - the "NEW WORLD ORDER" that both Poppa Bush and Adolf Hitler called for(not to mention Revelation...head injury, anyone?!?)!!! Some of the men and women who do the thinking for GW Bush: -Vice President, Dick Cheney, arguably the real President-elect, was one of papa Bush's top advisors. His company, Haliburton, is one of the nation's largest recipients of government contracts, supplying military equipment, oil services and infrastructure. Cheney epitomizes corporate-welfare and like most of Bush's appointees is a multi-millionaire who will receive huge financial benefits from the administrations' policies AND any wars it manages to get the US into. -Secretary of Labor Linda Chavez-who is outspokenly anti-union-was a research fellow at the CIA's Manhattan Institute during 1993 and 1994 and has received almost $200,000 in grants from the John M. Olin Foundation, a notorious right-wing fund derived from a family business in munitions and chemicals with roots in white supremacy. Despite her Hispanic surname she is an outspoken advocate for the English First Movement. Chavez is president of the Center for Equal Opportunity, based in Washington, D.C. an organization dedicated to eliminating affirmative action. On their website Chavez quotes Charles Murray, author of The Bell Curve, a classic of modern racial eugenics which has become the "bible" for the anti-welfare anti-affirmative action movement. -Secretary of Health and Human Services, Wisconsin Gov. Tommy G. Thompson, is known for his controversial welfare reforms-based in large part on two books by Charles Murray, Losing Ground and The Bell Curve. Murray was a consultant for the Wisconsin welfare reform program. Turner became notorious for quoting the motto on the gates over Auschwitz concentration camp- "Arbeit Macht Frei - work shall make you free". He is frequently a guest with Charles Murray in panel discussions at the CIA's Manhattan Institute and other Poppa Bush-connected think tanks. Murray wrote the Bell Curve while a fellow at the Manhattan Institute where his pseudo-scientific research focused on the genetic inferiority of African. Since 1937 the Pioneer Fund has promoted eugenics and the ideology of white racial superiority. -Secretary of Energy, Spencer Abraham, who served as Vice President Dan Quale's chief of staff, spent years trying to abolish the very agency he will now head. His legislative positions include being against higher fuel efficiency standards for cars, being against government regulations for industry and support for opening up national parklands to oil drilling. He is a recipient of oil company contributions totaling more than $221,000 according to the NY Times. The American Petroleum Institute has said it looks forward to working with Abraham. The society is funded by the John M. Olin Foundation, the Sarah Scaife Foundation, the Bradley Foundation, and the Lilly Endowment-America's leading far right think tanks. Among its most prominent members are Supreme Court Justices Scalia and Thomas whose questionable election ruling gave Bush his illegitimate Presidency. Spokespersons for the Federalist Society include Bell Curve author Charles Murray, Manhattan Institute fellow Abigail Thernstrom, and Dinesh de Souza of the American Enterprise Institute.=20 -Secretary of Education, Rod Paige, the latest African American Bush appointee, is a conservative public schools administrator in Texas and decades-long crony of the Bush family who supports vouchers, tying teacher pay directly to test scores and school privatization - all of which will negatively impact African American students by destroying public education.=20 -Secretary of Defense, Donald H. Rumsfeld was Secretary of Defense under President Ford. Rumsfeld like Powell, Cheney, Rice and numerous other Bush administration officials is a salesman for the Star Wars Missile Defense Shield. Rumsfeld, who formerly headed Searle Pharmaceuticals, is part of the drug company axis within the Bush administration. Former President Bush was director of Eli Lilly, OMB head Mitchell E. Daniels was also senior executive of Eli Lilly and AG John Ashcroft is known as a lobbyist for pharmaceutical companies. Dr. Gail R. Wilensky-one of numerous John M. Olin grant recipients attached to Bush-is the principal author of GW's Medicare plan. Wilensky serves on the boards of eight health care companies in which she owns more than $12 million in stock.=20 -Secretary of State, Colin Powell is a lifelong operative of the CIA/military-industrial complex. While working for the Pentagon he earned his present stature by helping cover up the Mai Lai massacre, the contra/arms-cocaine deal and Gulf War Syndrome. Powell's reputation as a hero derives from presiding over a war in
Re: [CTRL] Bus Won Popular Vote - We Shall See j2
-Caveat Lector- Aleisha Saba wrote: -Caveat Lector- According to this item Bush won popular vote and in fact, I always thought he had. Well there you have it. Colleen/Saba says Bush won the popular vote. Now you can bet all your money and your firstborn child the the opposite is true. Even after several Florida and national publications paid to have a recount done where Gore came out ahead by several thousand popular votes, I wasn't certain till this very posting from Colleen/Saba that it is probably true. Thanks baby. Your the best. J2 If someone would check out New York - probably so many illegal votes cast he could have taken the "melting pot". Interesting item - I awaid for clarification and validation of this count; however, out of Secretary of States office with both sides observing - this should be interesting. So Keep Your Powder Dry - and Open the Flood Gates -Good Bye Clinton. Saba Mail message From: Date: Mon, Jan 8, 2001, 1:55pm To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: Bush may have won Popular Vote From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Mon, Jan 8, 2001, 1:17pm Subject: Bush may have won Popular Vote To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The MOST impostant story of 2000, judging by its importance to the ability of the Bush administration to govern. (Snip) NEW COUNT SHOWS BUSH MAY HAVE WON POPULAR VOTE Edited by D. Carnegie on Wednesday December 20, @01:25PM NewsMax.com Despite the widely accepted claim that Al Gore won the popular vote by some 300,000 votes, a new count of state totals appears to show George Bush was the real winner by nearly 2 million votes. According to respected news analyst Mary Mostert, a report sent to her by reader Don Boyd showed that Gore got a total of 50,753,172 votes nationwide while Bush got 52,685,804 giving him a winning margin of 1,932,632. Wrote Mostert "While I have not checked all 50 states with the Secretary of State official returns, I have checked all the big states and a number of the smaller states. All the ones I have checked are accurate, or modified very slightly with late absentee ballots, which tilted towards George W. Bush. For those who want to personally check these figures, go to the "Original Source" - http://www.originalsources.com/Candidates/statepolitics.html which has all the election information by state. Nearly all the states now have their OFFICIAL, returns posted. "These figures were reportedly obtained from the Office of the Secretary of State from each state but haven't been confirmed" (Snip) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research
Re: [CTRL] Bus Won Popular Vote - We Shall See j2
-Caveat Lector- Joshua Even after several Florida and national publications paid to have a recount done where Gore came out ahead by several thousand popular votes, MJ Are you CERTAIN you meant to write this? You do realize what you have stated ... which is probably the closest to the truth you have uttered. I thought they had completed their guesses in only one county. Regard$, --MJ Disciples do own onto masters only a temporary belief and a suspension of their own judgment until they be fully instructed, and not an absolute resignation or perpetual captivity. -- Francis Bacon A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israel Confirms Liquidation Policy - Arafat NotRuledOut
-Caveat Lector- "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 01/07/2001 12:30:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There " were." That's the operative word. They haven't lived there since before the last half of the last century yet you make it seem like last year. Why are YOU comfortable living on Indian land? Why don't some of you give up your homes to the Mexican families of the Southwest whose lands your ancestors stole, chiseled, and started wars for? Why don't you give up your home to a nice Indian or Mexican family and get the hell back to Europe where you came from? It's real big of you to feel self righteous about expecting that from someone else when you don't even think about doing it yourself. Why don't you clean your own house before you stick your nose into some body else's business half a world away. It is strange then that Palestinians speak of losing olive trees that they have harvested for eons. Palestine was not a barren country awaiting settlement. There were many people who lived there. Most of them do not live there now. I have a little experience with borders. I lived an hour by truck from the Iraqui border with Turkey. It was not a completely comfortable place to be during the Gulf War. No I am not happy to be living on Indian land. I'm the second generation to be born in the United States, so I at least do not have to know that my people had a hand in the tormenting, killing and maneuvering of the people who lived in this country when the settlers arrived. They too were reviled for defending their land from invading strangers. And you're right to bring it up, because it is the exact same thing. It is something we can deplore, but we cannot change it and would not if we could. People will have land, and they will take it at every opportunity. What Israel is and has done is perfectly normal. If they wish to survive they must do exactly what they are doing. The Palestinians, however, have a right to fight even though they will lose. Prudy We are not in disagreement. Now. We could try to minimize the damage that will overwhelm both peoples. Especially the Palestinians. Isn't that worth a try? It means taking a hard look at the situation and dealing with it realistically. We are beyond peace. There was never a chance for peace. The phony peace plans were really economic plans for the region. They were selfish, shortsighted and stupid, on the parts of all the elites involved on all sides. Today instead of microscopic local conflicts, the Middle East is facing a regional war with the possibility of standardizing nuclear war. The best we can do now is minimize the death toll. Welcome to another fuck up brought to you by the New World Order. J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] SPECIAL: bowman2000@mindspring.com
-Caveat Lector- "...is the Air Force Colonel which was responsible for Star Wars development and the same one that testified before congress and the pentagon that SDI was not only wasteful but also extremely dangerous. Bob designed the system, he is America's number one expert on why it won't work. He is gearing back up to continue his long campaign against SDI. " -- Thank you Mr. Bowman. Joshua2 for Nurev A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israel Confirms Liquidation Policy - Arafat NotRuledOut
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/8/01 10:23:23 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why are YOU comfortable living on Indian land? Why don't some of you give up your homes to the Mexican families of the Southwest whose lands your ancestors stole, this is the beginning the end for Israel next Jerusalem is declared "open" city. look for some red heifers my friends A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Big Brother knocked in 2000
-Caveat Lector- Big Brother knocked in 2000 http://news.cnet.com:80/news/0-1007-200-4302729.html For privacy experts, 2000 looked more like 1984. By Stefanie Olsen Staff Writer, CNET News.com December 28, 2000 Workplace surveillance was the leading privacy concern in 2000, according to an analysis released Thursday by the Privacy Foundation, a Denver-based nonprofit that performs research and educates the public on privacy issues. This year, millions of Americans were watched at work, as employers became increasingly concerned about employee productivity and their use of the Internet. Two-thirds of major U.S. companies now perform some type of in-house electronic surveillance, according to the American Management Association, and 27 percent of all companies surveyed now monitor email. The Big Brother tactic has led to some people losing their jobs. Dow Chemical fired 24 employees and disciplined 235 others in September for allegedly storing and sending sexual or violent images on the company's computers. Xerox, The New York Times Co. and the CIA were others that fired or disciplined employees because of alleged bad behavior. "Employers may be rightly concerned about security and productivity issues, or legal liability arising from emailed sexual banter," Stephen Keating, executive director of the Privacy Foundation, said in a statement. "But pervasive or spot-check surveillance conducted through keystroke monitoring software, reviewing voice-mail messages, and using mini-video cameras will undoubtedly affect morale and labor law, as well as employee recruitment and retention practices," he added. In the future, the foundation predicts that employers, especially so-called New Economy companies, may offer "spy free" workplaces as a fringe benefit. Information falling into the wrong hands Keeping medical records private was the second most important privacy concern in 2000, according to the report. Fears that personal medical data, disclosed to medical practitioners, could reach the wrong hands propelled new federal rules in December. The new policy, which could be delayed in Congress in the coming year, will require doctors to get patient consent to use medical records in routine matters, as well as give patients more access to their own records. Privacy issues surrounding Carnivore, the online surveillance technology developed by the FBI for investigations, fell into the survey's top three. Civil libertarians fear that the FBI could use Carnivore to watch people through entry points to the Web or randomly read email communications. Privacy advocates criticized the FBI for releasing too little information about the surveillance technology in October. Online advertising network DoubleClick also received top billing this year for its widely noted but unrealized plans to merge anonymous online customer data with personally identifiable offline data from subsidiary Abacus Direct. After public outcry and a federal investigation, DoubleClick postponed its plans. But the issue highlighted the online profiling practices of online ad networks and marketers, causing a number of legal cases to be filed against online companies. Because of such heightened privacy concerns in 2000, companies including Microsoft, IBM and American Express hired for a new position: chief privacy officer. In the future, the foundation predicts that universities will offer degree programs in privacy and business. These were some other top privacy concerns in 2000: Online customer data became a hot commodity, prompting online retailers to change their privacy policies and inciting privacy advocates and legislators to tighten their watch over them. For example, federal regulators blocked Toysmart.com from selling customer data after the company went out of business. And Amazon.com came under fire after changing its privacy policy to allow for transferring customer data in certain instances. Privacy fears cropped up regarding new legislation that allows financial institutions to combine customer information housed under different divisions and potentially share it with third parties, as long as they notify customers and provide them the option to opt out. Advocates are concerned that the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act doesn't go far enough to protect consumers with the transfer of online information. In 2001, many more consumers may complain about the mishandling of their personal data by financial institutions. Wireless tracking technologies raised privacy hackles. Location-sensing technology for cell phones, under a new federal program called E911, and new ad-delivery plans fueled questions about privacy and receiving unsolicited email, or spam, via handheld devices. The Privacy Foundation predicts that tech companies and federal regulators will keep spam at bay by setting industry standards on consumer choice to receive text messages. Microsoft issued a software patch for Internet Explorer that lets Web
[CTRL] The Empire Has No Clothes
-Caveat Lector- The Empire Has No Clothes The Globe Mail, December 15, 2000 America has been the world's democratic role model until this election stripped our illusions and revealed the naked lust for power that passes for politics by Todd Gitlin Canadians may reasonably wonder whether Americans have gone smash out of their minds. In recent weeks the same question has been frequently posed by chad-addled Americans themselves, as they struggled to invoke the sense of downright weirdness that poured over the land. Some high- (or low-) lights: The selfsame scion of a blueblood political family who insisted that he "trusted the people" and not "Washington" delegated as his power- brokers his father's former secretary of defence, his father's former secretary of state and campaign manager, and, as his future chief of staff, Washington's top auto-company lobbyist and servant of the globe- is-not-warming brigade. A tribune of "progressivism" declared that a government headed by two men from big oil companies who are unconvinced the globe is warming would be no different than a government headed by a man who had tried, and failed, as Vice-President to impose an energy tax against the unremitting opposition of oil companies and their hired representatives in the Republican Congress. Misled and bewildered, unable to get the on-site help guaranteed under the law, Palm Beach County Jews cast thousands of ballots for the most anti-Semitic presidential candidate of the century. To cap it all, fervent defenders of states' rights appealed not once, but twice, to the U.S. Supreme Court in far-off Washington, where steadfast self-proclaimed proponents of judicial restraint shut down Florida's hand vote-count, a count that had been ordered by Florida's own Supreme Court, claiming that this legal exercise in democratic procedure was perpetrating "irreparable harm." Conservatives lauded the Rehnquist Five for daring to stand up for equal protection of the law to shut down a partial recount when it was the Bush camp that had steadfastly resisted a full state-wide version. "Rarely," wrote Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, dissenting (and conspicuously not taking the traditional trouble to do so "respectfully"), "has this Court rejected outright an interpretation of state law by a state high court." This rarity was the measure of what was at stake. Power was at stake. It was, it always was, as simple as that. The comedy is not that the country took so long to produce a president-elect, but that the establishment's post facto rituals of reassurance will, for a time, persuade some Americans, while to others these rituals are laughably transparent. What matters is a tragedy: The Supreme Court judged George W. Bush's risk of "irreparable harm" more significant than voters' risk of not getting their ballots counted. Five justices declared that time had run out for democratic procedure, after the Bush team did everything they could to run out the clock, appealing to the federal courts, stopping the vote every time they could, blasting Mr. Gore for availing himself of legal rights to protest and contest the results, whereupon the justices were shocked, shocked to discover that there was no time to count all the votes. "The majority effectively orders the disenfranchisement of an unknown number of voters . . .," wrote Justice Ginsburg. There is the nub of the matter: disenfranchisement. This is the real drama: The rest is smoke and mirrors. One achievement of the recent passion play is the revelation (not nearly well enough reported) of evidence of violations of law and democratic practice on a tremendous scale in Florida and elsewhere before, on, and after election day. Before election day, many Florida voters' names were purged"cleansed" is the nice word used by the Republican-run company hired by the State of Florida, with Katherine Harris, Bush delegate, presiding over frequently false claims that they were felons and thus ineligible to vote. On election day, many eligible Florida voters found their names missing from the registration rolls. African-American precincts were saddled with obsolete voting and list-checking machines, while white districts had state-of-the-art laptops to smooth their way. This was segregation by technology. Some were stopped on the way to the polls on pretexts all too familiar from the long history of racial oppression in the South. Haitian Americans, promised Creole translators, did not get them. Later, in Miami, a vote count in progress was shut down by a "bourgeois riot" the term of choice in the Wall Street Journal, including prominently Republican officials who jetted down from the North. Now the bourgeois rioters take power behind a screen of bipartisanship. Repeatedly during the endless campaign we were told that fat and happy Americans were indifferent to these candidates whom prosperity drove helplessly toward the centre, so that rival brands Gore and Bush were forced to differentiate
[CTRL] Fwd: A Turning Point In American History
-Caveat Lector- January 2, 2001 A Turning Point In American History By Connie White [EMAIL PROTECTED] Election 2000 is one of those turning points in American history: it reminded some, and exposed to others, that this is not a country "of the people, by the people, and for the people," and it reminded some and exposed to others that the American judicial system is now, and has always been, partisan and is not impartial. Electoral democracy is based on citizenship, and citizenship means that the individual has certain rights and duties. What has been presumed to be among an American citizens' rights is the right to vote and that each vote counts. Tossing out ballots is a fundamental violation of the rights of voting citizens. During the debates before the U.S. Supreme Court regarding "uncounted" votes in Florida, USA, one of the leading justices of the Supreme Court, Antonin Scalia, stated that there is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that guarantees U.S. citizens the right to vote. So much for members of the "highest court in the land" believing in the "democratic right to vote." When the Supreme Court upheld the decision to stop the vote counting in Florida, America was exposed as not being a "democracy" -- representative or otherwise. The Republican pundits are justifying the Supreme Court decision (intervention) by pointing out that America is not a "democracy," but a "republic." (The two political systems are not mutually exclusive. A "republic" is a political system whereby the "people" elect representatives to govern for them -- inherent in this definition is the understanding that there is no "king" -- and a "democracy" is a political system based in majority decision-making. You could have a democratic republic, which is a political system that has democratic decision-making, and no king.) The American government more closely resembles a "timocracy" -- a government of the propertied class. The point regarding America being a "republic" was also made during the Monica Lewinsky hearings, when the overwhelming majority of the American people denounced the Republican party witch hunts, and the poles indicated that Clinton should remain president. Here is where the "constitutional republic" game comes in -- the Republicans argue that they are doing their "constitutional duty," and indicate that America is a "constitutional republic," and not a "democracy." Although poles -- or popular vote at election time -- may indicate the will of the people, the Republican Party's position during the Lewinsky hearings was "to hell with the will of the people," we have the power and the constitutional right and we intend to use it. Similarly, during Election 2000, the Republican Party said "to hell with the will of the people" (the popular vote), and "constitutionally" relied upon its Supreme Court partisans to render a judicial decision that secured the presidential election for George Bush. So much for American "democracy," and majority decision- making. Election 2000 has exposed that America is not the representative democratic nation of the world. It has been exposed as a fake and a fraud, where power relations are the motivating force in the legislative, executive and judiciary "branches," and class interests are the glue that solidify the Republican and Democratic parties into one. Hence, all the talk about "bi-partisanship" today. But, has the American working class seen enough in Election 2000 to understand that this is not "our" government -- that this is not a "democracy" whereby the "people" elect the representatives who will govern? Let's not be quick to forget all that was exposed in Election 2000. During Election 2000, the American electorate continued to protest the choices offered in "the race for the presidency." Approximately 52% of the American electorate did not vote for president or voted for a third party candidate. Additionally, and most importantly, -- 2.5 million American voters were considered the "under vote," which are those ballots on which the voter did not indicate a presidential choice. These "under vote" ballots represent those voters whom I believe chose "none of the above" for president, but took the time to vote for initiatives they wanted passed, and for local or national legislative candidates. Where in America's Constitution does it state that voters not voting for president would have their ballots "kicked out"? The American electorate should have known about this practice before going to the polls. This protesting American electorate clearly showed that their interests are not being represented in the choices presented at election time. Some have presented the initiative/proposition process as a beginning for direct democracy in this country: the "masses" of people would
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: A Turning Point In American History
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/8/01 11:39:56 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A Turning Point In American History You liberals and populist burn my carrot cake--lol. I refer you to Hayes/Tilden election and the clay/jaskson/adams election please this is old hat. Lincoln had the army cross and vote many times. Carl A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Biometric Identification Schemes
-Caveat Lector- If there was ever a full-scale opportunity to database who we are, this has to be it: JotterSAF eases your security and privacy concerns through biometric solutions. Use the unique characteristics of your voice, fingerprints, iris, or face to authenticate you. http://www.jottersaf.com/2001.html Imagine -- you use voiceprint identification and with one of those audio spectrographs of your voiceprint is on record. Then when you ask for a cherry ICEE at the corner 7-Eleven, if some black government op has some need to know, he can pull up your entire history without even getting an ID number or fingerprint from you. You didn't use a credit card, didn't show a driver's license, didn't write a check. All you did was ask for an ICEE. It's on record. But yes, it would make life easier. I would love to chunk all my passwords and simply use my fingerprint or iris scan or voiceprint to prove I am who I say I am. Of course, with voice print ID, if our voiceprints are kept on file someplace, then it only gives dark hackers a new way to rip us off. Break into a database, download a voiceprint and use that voiceprint to withdraw a few hundred dollars from an ATM. I guess for every new technology there is a new can of worms. I know they say it's bad to give up freedom for more security. I guess in this case we're giving up security to get more freedom -- freedom from password lists, etc... I wonder if this is one step toward everybody implanted with a microchip. For example, let's say we do have a problem with people "stealing" your identity with voiceprint and probably even fingerprints before long. Or we'll have rashes of crimes where people end up with their thumbs chopped off so the robber can run around and steal money left and right until the thumb rots and is no longer usable. What is the solution but to give people a choice of going back to passwords (less secure) or get a unique chip implanted for the ulimate security. perhaps the chip would be so small that even if somebody wanted to cut it out of you, it would be nearly impossible to find in the mass of tissue and blood, especially if one can pick where they want it implanted. People seem to have a hard time reverting back to the old days, so probably most people will go with the implant, I imagine. Damaeus Damaeus A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
