Re: [CTRL] NM: FBI Ignored Evidence Linking Bin Laden to Oklahoma Bombing
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Amelia wrote: Further troubling to me is this business of McVeigh requesting 'no autopsy' and such a deal being made of this. That bothers me, too! Saw him on TV just yesterday when they were saying that he objected to the autopsy on religious and other reasons. Like any good MC dude WOULD, right?!?!? What if he has been led to believe this is because he will not really be executed and so no autopsy must be performed? I guess anything is possible? It would certainly help to prevent his making a last minute confession and implicating others. Agreed. Then, of course, the execution actually does take place in reality but McVeigh goes to his grave believing he is going to secretly be spared and so does not give out any information about what really happened. I think, IF MC is as advanced as it PROBABLY is, it really doesn't matter WHAT he's thinking, i.e., it's beyond that, wouldn't you say?!? The ultimate 'patsy' or fall guy. Anyone who saw that building with third floor debris blown OUTWARD should have had a problem believing it was done by a truck from a distance on the ground. Yep. I've thought the same...MANY TIMES! Mike = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NM: FBI Ignored Evidence Linking Bin Laden to Oklahoma Bombing
-Caveat Lector- Might add here how did a few "kids" one of whom was son of FBI investigator who was sent to Littleton, compose a story and tape of Columbine before the act? Even the name Columbine seems to be maybe code name - Klebold was from Columbus, Ohio grandson of Leo Yassenoff - tax foundation front stuff. When Jonestown went down - in 1979 I was given information by MI6 who worked for National Enquirer and Globe about the "implants" behind the of many Jonestown citizens? Who alone escaped to tell the truth but Mark Lane who escaped by running through the jungle..As it is Moby Dick starts "Call Me Ishmael" and he alone escaped to tell the truth and write the book...first like of Arthur Bremer's diary, was "call me Ishmael"and then of course before Columbine we had the movie Heathers - all in good script form - and what book was the little girl reading played by Wynona Judd - why Moby Dick, and his Call Me Ishmael while the "jocks" and the "heathers" were murdered - gunshots in a cafeteria - the the plan to blow up the school - which too failed in the movie . Kids have made cults about some of this garbage a lot of which is still on the web and a lot removed - This book if this be true was written about Oklahoma in advance, I have a book involving Lane in Oklahoma by connection - always this Lane connection or like Larry Flynt they feel need to adorn themselves with a bit of respectibility by attaching to murder of JFK? Let us say all the usual suspects are in place.drugs now seem to be of the controlled substance variety rather than the kid in the street peddling marijuana/. And my oh my what great money this "Columbian Gold" is professed to be especally when adorned maybe with diamonds, rubies, emeralds, and now even semi precious stones make a grand entrancne. All that glitters is not goldl (columbian variety) and look at this - FBI SPY Hannson paid in diamonds keeping in mind Mossad and KGB are brothers. So remember the USS Liberty and what was that ship that Luckey Luciana had sunk - which was laying on its side in a Jersey Harbor - for Luciano wanted out - it sure woke up the Navy Department which is being sabotaged for the enemy was withinremember the Walker Spies with KGB formed a KKK from which they would operate and spread neo nazi literature? Little red arrows leading to stashed neo nazi literature? This stuff is so mundane it is almost comical - does McVeigh still think he was working for Special Operations or CIA on top secret mission? This bunch in our area had many people believing they had intelligence connections when it was only to Meyer Lansky? But they still smuggled guns and drugs and murdered while newspapers handled the matter with a tongue in cheek story about bad boy doctors? Today drugs are old hat - for it is looting Sudan and Africa and other countries of natural resources - see Marc Rich, History of and Clinton, History of - and keep in mind Americans wear more gold on their fingers, and rings through their nose, embedded with diamonds and from where? Who knows? Ask Hanssen the FBI Agent who was paid in diamondsfor this is what he asked? Really? Then wonder why years ago the Pentagon got caught with billions of dollars in diamons and said "well; it was a good investment, wasn't it"... A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Suppressing Dissent in Science with GM Foods
-Caveat Lector- Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com Suppressing Dissent in Science With GM Foods 15 March 2001 The Institute of Science in Society Londonia House, 24 Old Gloucester Street London, WC1N 3A1 UK Tel: 44 -020-7242 9831 Lancet Volume 357, Number 9257 03 March 2001 Science is in crisis. The full extent of the crisis surfaced when trade union leaders warned that the integrity of British science is being threatened by "a dash for commercial cash" in a report published in the Times Higher Education Supplement (Sept 8, 2000), the main newsprint for University academics. The Institute for Professional and Managers in Specialists carried out a survey of scientists working in government or in recently privatized laboratories earlier this year. One-third of the respondents had been asked to change their research findings to suit the customer's preferred outcome , while 10% had pressure put on them to bend their results to help secure contracts. In Britain's handful of top research universities, dependence on private funding is acute, often amounting to 80-90% of the total research budget. The four unions representing scientists and technical staff have launched a charter, which says that research must be guaranteed "by peer review, open publication and by autonomy over a significant proportion of its resources". Commercialization smashes all three tenets. The only way to be sure that science retains its integrity is to enshrine open and clear-cut whistle blowing , the unions claim. Science has seldom lived up to its ideal as an open, disinterested inquiry into nature, as any scientist who has ever tried to publish genuinely new ideas or findings in the 'peer-reviewed' scientific journals will know too well. Nobel Laureate Hans Krebs' discovery of the metabolic cycle that would eventually bear his name was rejected from the journal Nature. Albert Szent-Gyorgyi, another Nobel prize-winning biochemist, never got funded for work on the relevance of quantum physics to living organisms, which is crucial for understanding living organisms and why cell phones may be harmful, for example. In the course of liberating itself from the Church, the scientific establishment has inherited many of the trappings of fundamentalist religion. There can be but One True Science, and everything else tends to be treated as nonsense or heresy. Within the past 50 years, the suppression of dissent has plumbed new depths , as the scientific establishment is increasingly getting into bed with big business. At first, it was mostly physics and chemistry, now it is preeminently biology. And as corporations are growing bigger and more powerful, so the suppression of scientific dissent is becoming more sophisticated, insidious and extensive. As the scientific and the political mainstream have both come to identify with corporate aims, so their established power structures are brought to bear on squashing scientific dissent and engineering consensus. Witness the seamless way in which the corporations, the state and the scientific establishment are coordinating their efforts to force feed the world with GM crops , known to be unsafe and unsustainable, and to offer no proven benefits whatsoever either to farmers or consumers [1]. Fall-outs from the GM Debate The GM debate had been going on in the UK and the rest of Europe for at least several years before the press went to town on Dr. Arpad Pusztai's revelation that the GM potatoes tested in his laboratory might not be safe [2]. As a result, Pusztai lost his job and was gagged. Pro-biotech scientists and Fellows of the UK Royal Society vented their collective ire and condemnation and Pusztai's integrity as a scientist was called into question. The Royal Society simultaneously set up its own hasty review of Pusztai's experimental results [3], without giving Pusztai the opportunity to assemble the complete set of data, published a report declaring Pusztai's findings flawed, and warned that no conclusions should be drawn. The report also reiterated the importance of peer-review before the results are released to the public. The Editor of The Lancet referred to the Royal Society's review as "a gesture of breathtaking impertinence to the Rowett Institute scientists"[4]. Double Standards In The Science Establishment However, the Royal Society has never reviewed nor condemned the truly damnable unpublished and published findings on GM crops and products offered by the industry, and accepted as evidence of safety by our regulatory authorities. Nor has it condemned the suppression of scientific evidence by the industry. There are clearly double standards being applied. Not only that, outright propaganda is legitimate, so long as it is pro-biotech, and publicly-funded scientific research institutions are openly engaging in this exercise. Industry's Manipulation And Suppression Of Scientific Evidence Monsanto's machinations in gaining approval of rBGH
[CTRL] The GOP Thieves, Democrats Losers
-Caveat Lector- Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4150257,00.html Recount shows Gore had won Special report: the US elections Martin Kettle in Washington Monday March 12, 2001 The Guardian Fresh evidence has emerged in Florida that Al Gore might have won last year's presidential election under a less contentious voting system, and if the US supreme court had not stepped in to stop the recount. A comprehensive new survey of "undervotes" in Palm Beach county shows that Mr Gore would have gained 784 more votes than George Bush if every excluded paper bearing some kind of mark next to a candidate's name had been counted. The butterfly ballot, which has candidates' names on opposing pages with a row of punch holes in the middle, confused thousands of voters in the Democratic stronghold, which was one of the areas at the centre of the post-election recount battle. Those Palm Beach votes would have been enough on their own for Mr Gore to overtake Mr Bush, who was declared the winner in Florida by a statewide margin of 537 votes. The Palm Beach recount figures came too late to be included in the official tally of votes certified by the Florida secretary of state Katherine Harris 19 days after the November 7 election. The new survey, conducted by the Palm Beach Post, looked at all the 9,150 disputed undervotes of all kinds, including 5,736 which contained marks next to the names of Mr Bush and Mr Gore and which Judge Burton ordered should not be counted. The researchers found that these dimpled chads held the key to Mr Gore's chances. Guardian Unlimited Guardian Newspapers Limited 2001 * 3/14/01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Most polled say bush NOT in charge of own administration A CBS News/New York Times poll released today showed bush is burdened by a prevalent perception that he's not the one who's really in command of the "ship of state". FIFTY percent say bush is NOT really in charge of what goes on in his own administration, the Times reported. Gee -- at least I'm not the ONLY one who thinks that: not by a LONG shot, in fact. That's certainly reassuring. It was also noted that deep and lingering resentments remain among black Americans about bush's appointment to the presidency: three-quarters don't accept him as the legitimate president, according to poll results. Me either. Another looming concern for Dub: 54 percent of Americans say that things in this country are going in the wrong direction, compared with 40 percent who say things are going in the right direction, the Times reported. Nearly three times as many now see the economy as getting worse than just one year ago. A worsening economy could turn into serious problem for bush and the BushMob. A separate polling revealed only THIRTY-FOUR percent say they have much confidence in bush's ability to keep the our economy strong; 36 percent have some confidence and 28 percent have little or none. VERY, very poor numbers by ANYONE's reckoning. On other fronts, most Americans arenât especially enthusiastic about bush's plan to cut taxes. Interestingly, MOST polled see through all the smoke and mirrors, saying the plan favors the rich and does little, if ANYTHING, to help average, middle-class people or stimulate the economy. There is also VERY little support for some OTHER BushMob high priorities like drilling in the Arctic Wildlife Refuge for MERE DAYS worth of oil, and withholding money from public schools that perform poorly, the poll shows. On a few issues including missile defense, school vouchers and federal grants to religious organizations, many respondents were initially supportive of bush's proposals but changed their minds after learning more about them. Smart thinking there, that's for SURE. * 03/15/2001 7:09 pm ET Bush Refuses To Help West With Power Woes California Faces Dire Summer Power Shortfall WASHINGTON (Reuters) - At a hearing before the Senate Energy Committee Thursday, U.S. Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham forcefully reiterated the Bush administration's opposition to price controls in Western regions. On a day Californians again faced threats of power shortages, Abraham said blackouts were "inevitable" this summer in the nation's most populous state. California and Northwest lawmakers on the energy panel blasted the administration's reluctance to get behind price caps, saying a temporary cap would ease the pain for utilities, businesses and consumers paying hundreds of dollars more per megawatt-hour of electricity than they usually do. Apparently unmoved by urgent calls for such action from western lawmakers, Abraham said at the hearing: "The problem will get worse, and blackouts this summer appear inevitable when peak demand is expected to be 61,125 megawatts while supplies are anticipated to be only 56,159 megawatts." Testifying before the panel, Washington state Gov. Gary Locke
[CTRL] FDA is Asking You About Genetically Engineered Foods
-Caveat Lector- Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com Action Meeting and Video Wednesday Night March 21 at Wild Oats! Genetically Engineered Foods, Organics, Fluoridation, Corruption FDA Is Asking YOU About Genetically Engineered Foods! This is your chance to tell them. More information and form letters at the meeting. Hear an analysis of the dissapointing new FDA proposed rules on genetically modified crops. Learn how to comment. Pick up form letters for comment on the rules as well as letters to Congress demanding laws to mandate safety testing and labeling. Generate action plans and volunteer. Comment period closes April 3. Learn about Monsanto Funding of Bush's Cabinet Members No wonder the FDA rule, released days after the Senate confirmed Bush, is so biotech friendly. Hear Robert Sterling spill the genetically engineered beans. Fluoride Documentary by producer Doug Cragoe, and the Scoop on Bush's Fluoride Friendly Advisors Robert Sterling will expose the Representation of Alcoa, the Fluoride Pusher, in the Bush Administration. Pick up form letters and petitions supporting AB 1565, the California Fluoride Product Quality Control Act, introduced by Assembly Member Dennis Mountjoy (R- Monrovia), which would prohibit adding industrial waste to city water to fluoridate it. Monsanto Connection to Mad Cow Disease Learn what boosted Monsanto's stock from the toilet out the roof! Meet Wed, March 21, at 7:30 PM at Wild Oats, corner 5th and Wilshire in Santa Monica. Hosted by supporters of the Great Boycott targeting world-leading producers of pesticides, genetically engineered foods, and toxic wastes: Monsanto, Du Pont, Dow, Novartis, Imperial Chemical Industries, Rhone Poulenc, Bayer, and Hoechst [AKA Aventis and Austra-Zeneca] For meeting info and topic Call 310/281-1927. http://home.earthlink.net/~alto/boycott.html If you are interested in a free subscription to The Konformist Newswire, please visit: http://www.eGroups.com/list/konformist Or, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject: "I NEED 2 KONFORM!!!" (Okay, you can use something else, but it's a kool catch phrase.) Visit the Klub Konformist at Yahoo!: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/klubkonformist A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NYP: THE HIDDEN THREAT OF AGRO-TERROR
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 03/19/2001 7:07:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Think how easily a few bad guys could spark an outbreak of wildly contagious foot-and-mouth disease like the one now devastating Britain's livestock. It's the latest fear on the terrorism front: agricultural terrorism. Experts say there's no sign that terrorists caused the disaster in Britain - where a million animals may have to be destroyed - but it could easily happen here. Or anywhere. In reality we already have agro-terror. The slaughter of millions of animals because of hoof mouth disease is tantamount to the decision to kill every human who might contract flue. The mini-brained policy of killing cattle for suffering from a disease that makes them ill but from which they quickly recover is the best case of agro-terrorism I've heard in a long time. One would think that the money spent to kill and burn the "possibly" affected cattle would be better spent in the feeding of vitamin supplements to allow them to return to full strength and productivity. God forbid putting politicians in charge of animal health. They haven't done a lot for human health either, have they? Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bill would allow school principals to carry
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 03/19/2001 9:05:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bill would amend anti-gun school law Texas principals, superintendents could carry firearms to work Am I correct in recalling that some poor kid was expelled from school and subjected to all kinds of abuse for stating in class that school principals should be allowed to carry guns? I guess our kids can be excused for any sin other than intelligent reflection. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The GOP Thieves, Democrats Losers
-Caveat Lector- Prudy forwards ... snip A comprehensive new survey of "undervotes" in Palm snip MJ An UNDERVOTE is one in which there is NO selection. An OVERVOTE is one in which there are more than one selection. How does one determine that these ballots go to a specific candidate? Regard$, --MJ Nelson v. Robinson, 301 So. 2d 508 (Fla. 1974) ... ...if a candidate appears on the ballot in such a position that he can be found by the voters upon a responsible study of the ballot, then such voters have been afforded a full, free and open opportunity to make their choice for or against that particular candidate; and the candidate himself has no constitutional right to a particular spot on the ballot which might make the voters' choice easier. ... Furthermore, it assumes his ability to read and his intelligence to indicate his choice with the degree of care commensurate with the solemnity of the occasion. ... Finally, we must state that we chose to meet head-on the question of equal protection, principally because of its novelty rather than consider the matter of waiver or estoppel which appellants suggest on account of appellees waiting until after the election to complain. While we need not now reach that question, it may be observed that it has often been held that one who does not avail himself of the opportunity to object to irregularities in the ballot prior to the election may not object to them after. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Ultimate accessory
-Caveat Lector- Given the impending space viruses etc. to be brought to Earth by Mir, I highyl recommend the following: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1123045379#DESC A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bill would allow school principals to carry
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 3/21/01 4:16:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bill would amend anti-gun school law Texas principals, superintendents could carry firearms to work Am I correct in recalling that some poor kid was expelled from school and subjected to all kinds of abuse for stating in class that school principals should be allowed to carry guns? I guess our kids can be excused for any sin other than intelligent reflection. Prudy How right you are! Our kids can't be allowed to have politically correct thoughts, much less voice them in public! Bill H A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Balkans For the ConFused
-Caveat Lector- From AntiWar.Com http://128.121.216.19/justin/pf/p-j032101.html }}Begin Behind the Headlines by Justin Raimondo Antiwar.com March 21, 2001 WESLEY'S WAR America's ex-warlord wants round 2 in Balkans Breathtaking in its scope, monumental in its sheer brazenness, the hypocrisy of Wesley K. Clark former supreme commander of American occupation forces in Europe during the Kosovo war is an awesome sight to behold. This perfumed prince of the military elite, having retired along with Bill Clinton, his patron and promoter, is now limited to bombarding his intended victims with words, instead of missiles: in the long run, however, the effect is no less deadly. His latest screed, "Don't Delay in Macedonia" [Washington Post, 20 March 2001], is a veritable blueprint for war. This is hardly surprising behavior for this devout priest of Ares, but what astonishes is the sheer gall of the man. As one of the chief architects of our military and diplomatic strategy in the Balkans, is commander Clark now proffering his advice to "solve" a problem he personally did much to create? Incredibly, the answer is yes. CREATE A PROBLEM THEN "SOLVE" IT Clark is shocked shocked! that the Kosovo "Liberation" Army he unleashed on the Balkans is now taking full advantage of the arms, training, and logistical support provided by NATO. As Macedonia explodes, the General recommends "a prompt Western response in order to maintain the integrity of a multi-ethnic Macedonia." Having created the problem to begin with, "NATO is the only institution that can act effectively to move the situation from confrontation to dialogue." But why must the government of Macedonia engage in a "dialogue" with the leaders of an open insurrection who have pledged to fight to the death? In setting the stage for the policy proposals at the end of his piece, Clark describes the circumstances that led to US intervention in Kosovo: "Two years ago today, talks to prevent a war in Kosovo collapsed. The government of Slobodan Milosevic then used massed troops to begin a rampage of ethnic cleansing and murder. NATO initiated its bombing campaign on the principle that security in Europe rests on peace and the rule of law across the Balkans." LIE, LIES, AND MORE LIES In reading the above, what is striking is that here is a writer whose every word is a lie, including "the," "to," and "a." What about the Albanian rampage of ethnic cleansing and murder that has taken place in "liberated" Kosovo under the not-so-watchful eye of KFOR? The General has long been a fan of that "army" of drug-dealing cutthroats and pimps presided over by Hacim Thaci and his handlers, stubbornly averring in the face of the facts that there was "no evidence" that the KLA was bent on ethnically cleansing postwar Kosovo of all Serbs. Now that the KLA's goal has been accomplished with his invaluable assistance this is not supposed to enter the discussion. Clark's lies are not only crude, but worst of all are uttered in the peculiarly inverted language of the War Party, where a demand that Yugoslavia surrender its sovereignty is described as "talks to prevent a war." As revealed after the war, the Rambouillet "talks" were merely the occasion for the NATO-crats to present the Yugoslavs with an ultimatum: surrender or be crushed. The Serbs stood up on their hind legs and fought Clark to a standstill but now the General wants to go a second round this time taking on the Macedonians. A CLARION CALL That's what Clark's clarion call is all about. Under his plan, while NATO is supposed to pledge to interdict arms shipments feeding the Albanian invasion, the General sternly reminds the Macedonians that they won't be getting off scott free, either. In return for not having their country immediately destroyed by Western-trained and subsidized "rebels," who have poured over Kosovo's border with Macedonia with impunity, his Perfumed Princeliness wants "to make it clear to the government of Macedonia that it too is under close scrutiny." If the Macedonians make any attempt to defend their sovereignty against the relentless assault of a human wave of Albanians, they must be pointedly reminded that "the use of force alone will only worsen the underlying problem, not resolve it." In other words: if you make the same mistake the Serbs made, and fight back, we'll unleash our trained dogs and they'll tear you to pieces. NO PLACE LIKE HOME What is needed, says Clark, is a "longer term solution for the Macedonians," that doesn't just consist of saying "the right things about the Albanian minority," but of caving in to their central demand: "Discussion of the constitutional status of Macedonian Albanians and other minorities should begin without delay in Macedonia's parliament," orders the General. Not only that, but the Macedonian census long a point of
Re: [CTRL] The GOP Thieves, Democrats Losers
-Caveat Lector- Didn't matter if Gore won or Bush won, the people lost either way! Bill A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: An Ad Provokes Campus Protests and Tests Limits on Expression
Lovely story; however I believe in reparations on condition that those receiving same be given a one way ticket back to South Africa to see where they would have been today as compared to their days of being sold by their own to slave ships (most were jewish slave ships for that is Old Testament stuff - people having to work for a living).so they would find they will have come into a complete circle. Reparations - what about reparations to our sons and fathers and daughters who died in these wars for "Old Glory" when all the time it was for what again - Freedom? Freedom of Speech, the right to freely express your vieiws and while we are at it, tell me - is there anywhere in this country in a school that has the guts to have WHITE HISTORY MONTH? No - these sodomists who were taking control would have more time spent learning sodomy for elementary school than the story of Washington cutting down the cherry treet and admitting same without lying.such virtues and morals are "tabou" today along with a simple prayer if a child so wants to recite same? Well - be sure to get re=run of Heathers I for Heathers II is coming up - and now on to more school bombings, kids turning queer, and reparations for these poor injured souls for I believe reparations with one way ticket would sol 99 percent of the problems in this once great Christian Nation? Sba Automobiles Job Market Real Estate All ClassifiedsQuick News NYT Front Page Arts Business Health International National New York Region Obituaries Politics Science Sports Technology Weather Corrections Special: Taxes Editorials / Op-Ed Readers' OpinionsAutomobiles Books Cartoons Crossword/Games Job Market Living Magazine Movies Photos Real Estate Travel Week in Review Special: Oscars Boston.com GolfDigest.com Learning Network New York Today NYT Store ShoppingArchives Screensavers Help Center Media Kit NYT Mobile Our AdvertisersHome Delivery Customer ServiceReview Profile E-Mail Options Log Out Text Version Welcome, saba22 Sign Up for Newsletters | Log Out Go to Advanced Search March 21, 2001 An Ad Provokes Campus Protests and Tests Limits on Expression By DIANA JEAN SCHEMO Brown University's campus newspaper is facing criticism and protests for the decision by its editors to run an advertisement that denounced calls for reparations for slavery. Join a Discussion on Race Relations ROVIDENCE, R.I., March 19 The editor of the student newspaper at Brown University says he knew a tempest was headed his way and rose to open the door for it. A few weeks ago, the editor, Brooks King, read about a campaign by David Horowitz, a conservative author in Los Angeles, to place an advertisement in college newspapers denouncing calls for reparations to black Americans for slavery. In the full-page advertisement, Mr. Horowitz argues that blacks do not deserve redress because white Christians ended slavery, and that rather than getting compensation, black Americans owe the country for the freedom and prosperity they now enjoy. Mr. King says he concluded that the advertisement intended to offend sensibilities at liberal campuses, exposing what Mr. Horowitz and other conservatives describe as the intolerance of political correctness. And he decided that because this was part of an important national debate, he would take up the challenge. "But I didn't expect this," Mr. King, a lanky, bespectacled junior, said. Last week, student protesters removed stacks of The Brown Daily Herald from its stands on campus. In running the advertisement, Mr. King became only the latest college editor in recent weeks to find himself entangled in a racially tinged controversy prompted by Mr. Horowitz. At the University of California, The Daily Californian ran the advertisement, but, under pressure from protesters, issued a front-page apology regretting having become "an inadvertent vehicle for bigotry." At the University of Wisconsin, Julie Bosman was confronted by 100 students demanding her resignation after the paper she edits, The Badger Herald, ran the advertisement. In a telephone interview, Mr. Horowitz said university campuses suffered from a prevailing liberal orthodoxy that treated conservative views, and those who expound them, like toxic waste: fit for burying or burning, but not for engaging in dialogue. "Colleges should be stimulating discussions of these issues, not encouraging political rallies on behalf of one side of the issues," he said, and called the protesting students "campus fascists." Mr. Horowitz said he noticed that campuses were holding conferences on reparations throughout Black History Month, but none were debating the question so much as presuming reparations were a good idea. Leon Botstein, president of Bard College in New York, said that Mr. Horowitz was clearly on a campaign of provocation but that colleges were easy prey. Contrary to their image as arenas of intellectual debate, Mr. Botstein said, colleges tolerate dissent poorly. "We say we believe
Re: [CTRL] Bush renews call for domestic drilling
-Caveat Lector- They speak of reducing our dependence on foreign oil - what about foreign cars, shoes, clothing, TV and VCR, computers(???) they got them yet, now Huffy bicycles in Mexico and look at the cities - now why don''t we get some enterparising newsmen and photographers and let us memorialize the results of 3 WW and the little bitty police actions and then compre to Clionton getting an 8 million dollar year job maybe - and could he have ended up working for Marc Rich - the "billionaire" who with penalties and interests owes us more than he is worth (as if as a person he was worth anything at all). Now let us all have fun in the sun watching Hill and Bill and reading her new 8 million dollar book due to come out - think anybody be stupid enough to buy it from Simon and Shyster? $25.00 a barrel? Know this is how Marc Rich got rich . defrauding americans? Does anybody care? Russians so poor now they pay their spies with diamonds maybe from Israel who now claims to mine diamonds? Ask this FBI double eagle who served not two, but three masters for the KGB and MOSSAD are one and the same. Enquiring minds want to know? So sit back and watch kids killing kids in school, and remember drugs is old hat - you now make money in diamonds - but keeping in mind Jihud is forever? But now we return to the 70 period for those that remember this is when Nixon turned out the Christmas lights? Stupid is as stupid permits it to happen and Joshua2, you are still an asshole with brain of dinosaur (pea size). Saba Automobiles A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Clickworking the Martian surface image archive ?
-Caveat Lector- Anyone interested to contribute to Martian image analysis might like to check out clickworkers.arc.nasa.gov/top. Becoming a volunteer 'clickworker', participants may help the Ames Res Centre to identify Martian craters from the 1970s-80s data archive. Unlike the SETI@home system (which only uses our processing computer power and is passive as far as our involvement in concerned) it is claimed that clickworkers would be looking directly at source data. Ref: 'Science' Vol 291 p559 (Jan 2001). Cheers, Tony. YY YY Y Dr. Tony DickinsonY YY YVisiting Research Fellow/Lecturer in Psychology Y YY Y McDonnell Centre for Higher Brain Function Y YY Y Department of Anatomy and Neurobiology Y YWashington University School of MedicineY Y Box 8108, 660 S Euclid Avenue Y Y St. Louis, Missouri Y Y MO 63110 USA Y YY Yhttp://eye-hand.wustl.edu/lab/people/dickinson.html Y YY YY A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FC: Conservatives rally on Capitol Hill to defend filtering (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,42523,00.html Library Smut Snit Heats Up by Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 2:00 a.m. Mar. 21, 2001 PST WASHINGTON -- It was reunion time Tuesday on Capitol Hill, as conservatives rallied to decry Internet "bestiality," a jab at overly permissive liberals, and remind everyone that library filtering is not only a good idea but also a very good law. A clutch of conservative groups, joined by Republican legislators and a blocking-software trade group, sounded precisely the same themes at a press conference that they gave back in 1995: Internet porn is endangering our youth, and the federal government has to do something about it. Not shirking from salaciousness, anti-porn activists suggested that the Internet was little more than a place to find pictures of women having sex with dogs. "I believe that a student should be able to search the Internet for information on wolves for a school report without being exposed to a picture of a woman having sex with a wolf," said Donna Rice-Hughes, a spokeswoman for FamilyClick.com who's well known in political circles. Wendy Wright of Concerned Women for America was more graphic: "Pornography is getting more hard-core, including torture and mutilation of women, bestiality and child pornography." They and their allies had showed up to defend the Children's Internet Protection Act, a federal law linking blocking software to public funding of Internet access, which library groups on Tuesday sued to overturn on First Amendment grounds. The earnest exhortations and denunciations of anything more prurient than, say, WB's 7th Heaven were remarkable not for their vehemence but for their precedents: The same groups employed the same Fido-does-Debbie arguments when unsuccessfully defending the Communications Decency Act and the Child Online Protection Act. [...] - POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if it remains intact. To subscribe, visit http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ - A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Demeaned and Victimized Indians Say Sports Mascots, Ads Create Subhuman Image By Dean Schabner March 20 - Would you buy Martin Luther King Malt Liquor, go to the Mahatma Gandhi Strip Club or wear Jesus Christ Jeans? If any of these make you uncomfortable, you might have an inkling of how Lakota Sioux, and American Indians in general, respond to the use of the name Crazy Horse to market everything from jeans to strip clubs. American Indian activists see a connection between the use of the name of a man considered a spiritual leader and the acceptance of Indian-related nicknames and mascots for sports teams, which they say range from the simply demeaning to the sacrilegious and together keep American Indians from being considered on a level with other ethnic groups. "[The use of such images] reinforces all of the stereotypical conceptions of native people so prevalent in the American consciousness, effectively reducing the fullness of our humanity to a unidimensional farce," Joe Gone, a psychologist and member of the Gros Ventre tribe said in an interview with the American Psychological Association Monitor. The fact that these mascots and advertising images exist, according to Gary Brouse of the Interfaith Council on Corporate Responsibility, is evidence that American Indians have been left out of the mix as America has become more conscious of the rights of minorities. Problems of Perception A figure of a black, a Jew or Latino comparable to the Cleveland Indians' Chief Wahoo mascot would not be tolerated by society, just as the use of the name of a person of another race who was as revered as Crazy Horse is by American Indians to advertise an alcoholic beverage or strip club would be met by outrage, Brouse said. "Crazy Horse was a very sacred leader," he said. "He is mostly known in non-Indian Country as a military leader. In Indian Country, he is a religious leader." Though associating the name with a clothing line, as Liz Claiborne Inc. does with its Crazy Horse brand, would seem less offensive to Indians than some of the other ways it has been used, the company's ads featuring skinny models casting languid looks at the camera are hardly harmonious with what Crazy Horse represents to Indians. "He's a cultural hero," said Wilmer Mesteth, a Lakota tribal leader. "He was something like Martin Luther King or [Nelson] Mandela. Fighting for the rights of his people, and he gave the ultimate sacrifice of his life." The company issued a statement last week in response to a request for an interview that said: "We oppose products that reinforce negative stereotypes about Native Americans or any other ethnic, racial or cultural group. Moreover, we have never used Native American imagery or iconography, and we never will." Liz Claiborne "intends no disrespect to any member of the Native American community," the statement said. "Although the issue has yet to be resolved, we understand the views that are being expressed and we remain hopeful that we will eventually reach a mutually acceptable agreement." Taking the Sacred, Making It Silly The Lakota's long running battle to get companies to stop using the name Crazy Horse to market products is just one aspect of American Indians' struggle to redefine themselves in the eyes of non-Indians. "I think that part of it is that America needs to be educated," Mesteth said. "We're alive and well and still struggling. We're struggling against great odds to maintain our lives." That effort includes the annual appeals to professional sports teams like the Cleveland Indians, Atlanta Braves and football Washington Redskins and Kansas City Chiefs to rethink their nicknames and mascots. The insults presented by these names and figures goes beyond the caricature. Just the name Redskin is considered by many American Indians to be a term as insulting as words referring to other ethnic groups that are unprintable. Many of the objects commonly waved around by team mascots, such as staffs decorated with eagle feathers or "peace pipes," and the long trailing feathered headdresses they often wear are sacred objects to various tribes. It's as though they were waving crucifixes or Torah scrolls to spur on their fans. "It says, 'Your religion is not as important as mine,'" Brouse said. "Why can't we carry our understanding of what is offensive and prejudicial over to other groups? Why can't we understand what is offensive to others? "I know [New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani] has been very upset and very vocal about museum displays using the Virgin Mary. This is even worse," he added, referring to two Brooklyn Museum of Art shows that featured work that Giuliani considered insulting to Catholics. Numerous universities, colleges and schools have responded to Indians' requests to get rid of their Indian-related nicknames and mascots. Some schools - such as the universities of Wisconsin and Iowa - have gone so far as to schedule no games against
Re: [CTRL] Bush voids drinking water, arsenic rule
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 03/20/2001 7:26:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Despite a 1999 National Academy of Sciences finding that arsenic in drinking water causes bladder, lung and skin cancer, the Bush administration on Tuesday reversed a Clinton decision requiring 3,000 communities to upgrade their water systems to protect against arsenic poisoning. The Environmental Protection Agency said it was withdrawing the new standards reducing allowable levels of arsenic in drinking water by 80 percent until it can review the science and costs more. "I am committed to safe and affordable drinking water for all Americans. I want to be sure that the conclusions about arsenic in the rule are supported by the best available science," said EPA Administrator Christie Whitman. The administration also announced Tuesday it would honor a consent decree to toughen pesticide regulations that EPA signed with environmental groups and farm workers the day before Clinton left office. But it said it would take a new look at some of the risk assessments in re-evaluating pesticides. Isn't it comforting to know that the Republicans are now looking out for your health? Well, as long as it doesn't cost too much. I do have to admit that the thought of Dubya and Christie imbibing the water they espouse, gives me a good feeling. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Oklahoma City blast linked to bin Laden (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- READ THIS FIRST: Oklahoma City blast linked to bin Laden http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=215 Fox News The O'Reilly Factor - MARCH 20, 2001 Headlines: Was Osama Bin Laden Involved in the Oklahoma City Bombing? Byline: Bill OReilly Guest: Jayna Davis http://fn.emediamillworks.com/ - ?? NO Mc VEIGH AUTOPSY ?? The muzzled tiptop experts agree that the Murrah Building was NOT destroyed by a fertilizer bomb in a Ryder Truck, but by several contact charges INSIDE that building and positioned on the critical failed support columns. And very soon after the bombing the Murrah Building was hastily demolished (terminated) and without an independent forensic examination. We are now told that Mc Veigh wants to be speedily executed (terminated) and buried without an independent forensic examination (autopsy). Do we really believe that? Isn't that convenient for the federal power structure that Mc Veigh wishes to be hastily terminated without an independent forensic examination entirely analogous to the building he allegedly destroyed with his one "magic" bomb? (Kind of like Oswald's one magic bullet?) Will Mc Veigh be hastily executed and denied an independent autopsy to hide that he was physically and/or chemically abuse to make him a more compliant patsy? Jerry L. - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics of Terror http://www.constitution.org/ocbpt/ocbpt.htm The Oklahoma Bombing More than any other event in recent years http://www.carpenoctem.tv/cons/okla.html Media Bypass - A Public Apology - by Hoppy Heidelberg http://4bypass.com/archives/hoppy.htm Others Known to the FBI in the OKC Bombing Case http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39c95cc82b1a.htm General Says Four Charges Destroyed Murrah Federal Building http://www.orlingrabbe.com/partints.htm Three John Does in the OKC Bombing Were Protected FBI Informants http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39cbf4c91f64.htm It is the same Bob Ricks of Waco fame. Ricks was seen by witnesses including Mrs. Jane Coverdale who spoke with Ricks in front of the Murrah building at around 9:15 am on 4/19/1995 too early for Ricks to have gotten there from a golf tournament he said he was at in Shawnee, Oklahoma (25 minutes away even by heliocopter!) Coverdale lost two grandchildren in the day care center of the Murrah Building. Many of the FBI agents who mishandled WACO in addition to Ricks were also directly involved in the OKC bombing coverup and were from the OKC FBI field office. One FBI agent named Gray was in the FBI communications center at WACO listening to all the FBI bugs in the compound. Gray was a negotiator who supposedly retired after Waco. But strangely enough, he was on the scene at the bomb site by 9;30 am on 4/19/1995 with his FBI jacket on to do negotiations with McVeigh? Smacks of foreknowledge doesn't it! My source of this story is OKC police officer Don Browning who was K9 unit that found living and dead in the rubble. Browning knows FBI agent Gray and testified against Gray at the Oklahoma County Grand Jury investigating the bombing. The Grand Jury never called Gray to respond to the allegations. The FBI has immunity in these cases we were told and does not have to testify before state or county grand juries!! Remember McVeigh said during his 60 minutes interview that he held the FBI more responsible for Waco than the BATF. MCVeigh also wrote a letter to the Oklahoma Gazette with even stronger allegations against the FBI. The FBI had agents in the Murrah building every day at 9am and dropped off kids at the day care center. But the FBI was tipped and did not show up inside the Murrah building on the morning of 4/19/1995. They were outside instead! http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39cbf4c91f64.htm --- "WE NEED TO CIRCLE THE WAGONS" [UPDATE 03/20/01] http://www.apfn.org/apfn/money.htm "WE ARE APT TO SHUT OUR EYES AGAINST A PAINFUL TRUTH... FOR MY PART, I AM WILLING TO KNOW THE WHOLE TRUTH; TO KNOW THE WORST; AND TO PROVIDE FOR IT." Patrick Henry American Patriot Friends Network (APFN) http://www.apfn.org APFN EMAIL LIST SUBSCRIBE/UNSCBSCRIBE IN SUBJECT LINE TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] APFN YahooGroups: Subscribe: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apfn/join Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] APFN CONTENTS: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/apfncont.htm APFN MSG BOARD: http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html APFN SITE MAP: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/sitemap.htm Public Education System vs Christian Home Schooling Home School News, Info. Links http://www.ordination.org/homeschool.htm "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of
[CTRL] Fwd: George Soros and Rothschild (Red Shield he stole) and Marc Rich
These connections are self evident, but note the name Eisenberg, Shaul -
for Rich's wife, maiden name was Eisenberg - this is criminal organized
crime - once called criminal syndicalism which is contrary to law in USA
- now just toss in the big crooks Hill and Bill and see the scenario
develop into the bigger picture.
This KGB/MOSSAD - this is Jewish Mafia connected stuff into which Meyer
Lansky had been initiated - a born again killer? Strange England, USA,
Canada and Australia seem to be specific targets of this Richie Rich
garbage
And all the time I thought Judas was Italian?
Saba
George Soros and the Rothschilds Connection
By Jan Von Helsing ("Secret Societies and their Power in the 20th
Century")
Special Note : The author of this book is German. He claims he has
several jewish friends and is
not racist or prejudice, but often cites the Talmud as a guide book for
certain Jews and discusses a
Jewish Conspiracy that involves elements of Zionism and other conspiracy
issues as well. I do not
agree wholeheartedly with the author's entire beliefs, however alot of
the research on a variety of
other topics is VERY GOOD. We are seeking truth here and not Hatred or
prejudice, as a matter of
FACT, I was raised Jewish myself. For my views on the Jewish Conspiracy,
you will have to go Here
to find out, this is not the forum.
The now 64 year old Hungarian with a U.S. passport is the
superstar amidst the great speculators.
When the last "Forbes" list of the best paid managers and financiers was
published, Soros was in the
lead by a huge margin. In the last year he earned 550 million US$,
twenty times as much as the
Disney Boss. When Soros opens the hunt, the international money markets
get moving and the
reserve banks start worrying. In Sept. 1993 he succeeded over the Bank
of England. He was
certain the Bank would have to take the pound that came under pressure
out of the European
exchange mechanism and devalue it. He gambled 10 Billion US$ --with
success. He made 1 Billion
US$, which the British taxpayers now have to come up with. He himself
likes to be openly known
as the man who wants to influence the big money markets of the world.
This is a very unusual stance
for an investor to take, who should rather be interested in using
situations unobservantly that the
competitors have not yet discovered. In March 1993, Soros' activities
became known when he
predicted a rise in the price of gold. It is assumed --since this
started a buying spree in precious
metals --that this drove the price up 20% over the highest price since
the Gulf War. In the beginning
of June 1993, he wrote an open letter to the business editor of the
London Times, Anatole
Kaletsky, announcing that he intented to urge the money markets to sell
large amounts of German
government bonds in favor of French stocks. Which means: Down with the
German mark and
attack on the Bundesbank!
In several newspapers across the world Soros is praised as a
kind of "Robin Hood of the Computer Age", since by speculation he takes
from the rich nations in grand style to hand out to
Eastern Europe and Russia via several Soros Foundations, to prepare the
way for "Democracy" in
those "poor" countries that had been bled dry by communism.
Who then is Soros? The official story says that he was born in
1930 to Jewish parents and as a
teenager had been chased from Budapest by the Nazis. He enrolled at the
"London School of
Economics" and in the mid-50's came to the U.S. There he was magically
drawn to Wall Street, but
his career until 1969 was unspectacular. Then with a partner he took
over an investment fund. He
sold stocks he didn't own as futures, hoping that their price would fall
nearer the qualifying date and
that he could aquire them at a price lower than his selling price.
From this fund the "Quantum Group" evolved, a family of
investment funds operating from the
Dutch West Indies. Quantum is one of the most impressive "investment
machines" in the world. In
8 of the last 24 years it made an "official" profit of over 50%, in 2 of
those years even over 100%.
In the meantime Soros handed business over to a group of managers and
limits himself to designing
the "great campaigns". He put down his princples in the book, "The
Alchemy of Finance", where he
says what "financial speculators think more important than real economic
facts".
But this is but the picture the media -- and we know who owns
them --paint of him. Who is he in
reality?
William Engdahl knows this to say about him:
"Soros speculates on the world's financial markets via his
secret off-shore company, "Quantum
Fund NV", a private "investment fund" that handles a portfolio of 4 to 7
Billion US$ for several
"clients". The Quantum Fund is registered in the tax haven of the
Netherland Antilles in the Caribbean.
In order to evade control of his financial activities by the U.S.
administration not a single U.S. citizen sits on the board of Quantum.
It's directors are a curious mixture of Swiss and Italian
[CTRL] SNET: Americans Have a Right to Know (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 06:34:22 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SNET: Americans Have a Right to Know - SNETNEWS Mailing List www.jbs.org Americans Have a Right to Know About the Council on Foreign Relations by John F. McManus Reprinted with permission, The John Birch Society, September 1994 There exists in our nation today a privately run organization with only 3,000 members, several hundred of whom are U.S. government officials. But even though this organization possesses enormous influence over the actions of our national government, most Americans have never heard of it. This same organization's members dominate our nation's mass media, multinational corporations, the banking industry, colleges and universities, even the military. Yet its domination is unknown to the average citizen. The members of this small but extremely influential group are responsible for a parade of foreign policy disasters in China, Korea, Vietnam, Nicaragua, Panama, Cuba, and Africa. The group itself has always sought to lead the United States into a one-world socialistic system led by its members and their like-minded associates in other nations. Shouldn't you know about this organization and what its members are planning for the 1990s? This pamphlet will introduce you to the Council on Foreign Relations, the little-known New York City-based organization that is both the seat of the liberal Establishment and the main force pushing the United States into the new world order. CFR Wants One-World Socialism It was a disappointed but determined group of diplomats from the United States and England who gathered at the Majestic Hotel in Paris on June 17, 1919. Their disappointment stemmed from the U.S. Senate's rejection of America's proposed entry into world government via the League of Nations. But they remained determined to scrap the sovereignty of each of their nations, and all nations. The leader of the U.S. contingent at this 1919 conference was President Woodrow Wilson's top advisor, Edward Mandell House. In his 1912 book, Philip Dru: Administrator, House laid out a plan for radically altering the American system via what he termed a "Conspiracy." The book supplied his ultimate goal: "Socialism as dreamed of by Karl Marx." The Paris gathering led to the formation of the British Royal Institute for International Affairs and the American Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). With Rockefeller and Carnegie money backing it, the CFR quickly attracted influential Americans who used their influence to labor for the one-world socialist goal. In 1939, the organization accepted a formal invitation to establish a relationship with the U.S. State Department. That relationship soon grew into CFR domination of the foreign policy of our nation. Practically every Secretary of State for the past 50 yearsserving both Democratic and Republican Administrations has held CFR membership. Explicitly Stated Goal As early as 1922, the CFRs prestigious journal, Foreign Affairs, brazenly called for "world government" at the expense of our nation's independence. Repeatedly airing this subversive goal over subsequent years, Foreign Affairs published its most explicit call for the termination of U.S. sovereignty in Richard N. Gardner's 1974 article entitled "The Hard Road to World Order." Admitting that "instant world government" was unfortunately unattainable, the Columbia University professor and former State Department official proceeded to champion "an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece." He also pointed to numerous international groups and causes, each of which he claimed "can produce some remarkable concessions of sovereignty that could not be achieved on an across-the-board basis." At the time this article appeared, hundreds of CFR members were holding high government posts. Those who were required to swear an oath to support the Constitution of the United States should have immediately resigned from the CFR. None did. Nor were any asked to do so by superiors in government. Instead, the erosion of national independence and the undermining of the Constitution continued. CFR members like Gardner have historically helped similarly determined world-government advocates achieve power in other nations. It didn't matter to them whether foreign leaders were professed socialists, communists, or whatever, as long as they shared Edward Mandell House's goal of "Socialism as dreamed of by Karl Marx." Marxism was the goal, and that has always meant economic control of the people and world government. Over the years, therefore, CFR members have carried out the Marxist goals of their organization's founder when they helped one communist thug after another take control of once-free nations. Now that communism is no longer the
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: George Soros and Rothschild (Red Shield he stole) andMarcRich
-Caveat Lector-
Aleisha Saba wrote:
These connections are self evident, but note the name Eisenberg, Shaul -
for Rich's wife, maiden name was Eisenberg - this is criminal organized
crime - once called criminal syndicalism which is contrary to law in USA
- now just toss in the big crooks Hill and Bill and see the scenario
develop into the bigger picture.
This KGB/MOSSAD - this is Jewish Mafia connected stuff into which Meyer
Lansky had been initiated - a born again killer? Strange England, USA,
Canada and Australia seem to be specific targets of this Richie Rich
garbage
And all the time I thought Judas was Italian?
That's because you're a moron.
You are just about the dumbest cow I've ever run across.
Keep up the good work.
J2
Saba
George Soros and the Rothschilds Connection
By Jan Von Helsing ("Secret Societies and their Power in the 20th
Century")
Special Note : The author of this book is German. He claims he has
several jewish friends and is
not racist or prejudice, but often cites the Talmud as a guide book for
certain Jews and discusses a
Jewish Conspiracy that involves elements of Zionism and other conspiracy
issues as well. I do not
agree wholeheartedly with the author's entire beliefs, however alot of
the research on a variety of
other topics is VERY GOOD. We are seeking truth here and not Hatred or
prejudice, as a matter of
FACT, I was raised Jewish myself. For my views on the Jewish Conspiracy,
you will have to go Here
to find out, this is not the forum.
The now 64 year old Hungarian with a U.S. passport is the
superstar amidst the great speculators.
When the last "Forbes" list of the best paid managers and financiers was
published, Soros was in the
lead by a huge margin. In the last year he earned 550 million US$,
twenty times as much as the
Disney Boss. When Soros opens the hunt, the international money markets
get moving and the
reserve banks start worrying. In Sept. 1993 he succeeded over the Bank
of England. He was
certain the Bank would have to take the pound that came under pressure
out of the European
exchange mechanism and devalue it. He gambled 10 Billion US$ --with
success. He made 1 Billion
US$, which the British taxpayers now have to come up with. He himself
likes to be openly known
as the man who wants to influence the big money markets of the world.
This is a very unusual stance
for an investor to take, who should rather be interested in using
situations unobservantly that the
competitors have not yet discovered. In March 1993, Soros' activities
became known when he
predicted a rise in the price of gold. It is assumed --since this
started a buying spree in precious
metals --that this drove the price up 20% over the highest price since
the Gulf War. In the beginning
of June 1993, he wrote an open letter to the business editor of the
London Times, Anatole
Kaletsky, announcing that he intented to urge the money markets to sell
large amounts of German
government bonds in favor of French stocks. Which means: Down with the
German mark and
attack on the Bundesbank!
In several newspapers across the world Soros is praised as a
kind of "Robin Hood of the Computer Age", since by speculation he takes
from the rich nations in grand style to hand out to
Eastern Europe and Russia via several Soros Foundations, to prepare the
way for "Democracy" in
those "poor" countries that had been bled dry by communism.
Who then is Soros? The official story says that he was born in
1930 to Jewish parents and as a
teenager had been chased from Budapest by the Nazis. He enrolled at the
"London School of
Economics" and in the mid-50's came to the U.S. There he was magically
drawn to Wall Street, but
his career until 1969 was unspectacular. Then with a partner he took
over an investment fund. He
sold stocks he didn't own as futures, hoping that their price would fall
nearer the qualifying date and
that he could aquire them at a price lower than his selling price.
From this fund the "Quantum Group" evolved, a family of
investment funds operating from the
Dutch West Indies. Quantum is one of the most impressive "investment
machines" in the world. In
8 of the last 24 years it made an "official" profit of over 50%, in 2 of
those years even over 100%.
In the meantime Soros handed business over to a group of managers and
limits himself to designing
the "great campaigns". He put down his princples in the book, "The
Alchemy of Finance", where he
says what "financial speculators think more important than real economic
facts".
But this is but the picture the media -- and we know who owns
them --paint of him. Who is he in
reality?
William Engdahl knows this to say about him:
"Soros speculates on the world's financial markets via his
secret off-shore company, "Quantum
Fund NV", a private "investment fund" that handles a portfolio of 4 to 7
Billion US$ for several
"clients". The Quantum
[CTRL] News from Hebron:Police foil terrorist attack in Jerusalem (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:21:58 +0200 From: Hebron [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: News from Hebron:Police foil terrorist attack in Jerusalem News from Hebron The Hebron Press Office March 21, 2001 Police foil terrorist attack in Jerusalem Israel radio has reported that a car bomb was discovered at "Kikar HaShabbat" - in the Mea Sha'arim - Geula section of Jerusalem. After neutralizing the car bomb, police reported that the car was filled with several different explosive devices, due to be exploded via a cell phone. === REMEMBER: The Hebron Testimonial Dinner in NYC http://www.hebron.org.il/dinner.htm Pesach in Hebron http://www.hebron.org.il/uncomingevents.htm === New on the Hebron Web Site: The New Hebron Today Magazine - See and/or download http://www.hebron.org.il/alon/adar2001.htm Torah from Hebron: Parshat HaShavuah from Hebron http://www.hebron.org.il/torah.htm The Jerusalem Post, March 21, 2001 Raise that Flag, Limor! By Michael Freund Israel is famous for many things, but civil discourse isnt one of them. In a political culture oddly reminiscent of American professional wrestling, with its outlandish scripts, bizarre characters and predictable cliffhanger finales, Israels democracy is as vibrant as it is chaotic. But whereas Americas wrestlers deliver blows that are staged for effect, Israels political pugilists strike with far more painful force. Indeed, Israels intellectual vanguard has wasted little time in directing its acrimony at newly appointed Education Minister Limor Livnat. Livnat was just settling in to her new position when she came under fire for daring to suggest that the Jewish state ought to be teaching Zionist and Jewish values in its classrooms. This sin was compounded by her decision to remove an inflammatory poem by a Palestinian militant nationalist from the Israeli school curriculum. Livnat further raised the lefts ire when she barred an Education Ministry textbook deemed unfit because it distorted Israeli and Jewish history. Sadly, rather than criticizing Livnat on the merits of her decisions, many of her detractors have resorted to the lowest of schoolyard tactics: name-calling. Examples, unfortunately, abound. Columnist Gidon Spiro compared Livnats actions to the repressive measures adopted by the Chinese Communist party against its foes (Kol HaZman, March 16). Hebrew University Prof. Eli Poudeh warned that if Livnat continues on her current course, the Education Ministry will turn into, in the words of George Orwell, the Ministry of Truth (Haaretz, Hebrew edition, March 19). Even more distressing is that some of Israels leading writers have joined the fray, tossing aside thoughtful analysis in favor of mudslinging. Tom Segev, considered to be one of Israels top journalists, labeled Livnat the Batwoman of Zionism and asserted, Her fury transforms her into a sister of the Buddha-smashing Taleban in Afghanistan (Haaretz, March 16). Columnist Yoel Marcus invoked the shadows of the past when he wrote, What will she do next? Burn books in the downtown districts of Israels cities? (Haaretz, March 16) It is simply astonishing that a government minister is attacked for trying to instill in Israeli schoolchildren the most cherished values and beliefs of our people. That, after all, is why schools exist. Not merely to teach the mechanics of mathematics, but the qualities of good citizenship. And to be a good citizen in Israel means to appreciate and understand the countrys history, traditions and heritage. Equally astonishing is the manner in which this debate is being conducted. Those opposing Livnat have vilified her rather than criticized her. They claim to be coming to the defense of our childrens education but the manner in which they do so only sets a poor example for those very same kids. It is clear that Israels schools desperately need a strong injection of Zionist and Jewish values. Israeli youth need to be reminded why they are here and why the State of Israel is far more than just another Levantine state with decent cable TV. To infuse Israeli students with a greater sense of attachment to the country, we can start by insisting that every schoolroom be adorned with a large, outsized Israeli flag next to the blackboard. There is no reason why the national symbol should be virtually invisible at our nations schools. Similarly, the singing of Hatikvah, the national anthem, should become a regular part of every schools routine. Growing up in the United States, I recited the Pledge of Allegiance at the beginning of every school day, and I remember it still. With its beautiful words and stirring music, Hatikvah should resonate off of students lips every morning. Another untapped
[CTRL] Clinton and OKC (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:54:01 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Clinton and OKC I made a comment about a week ago linking clinton's political fortunes and OKC. I was rightly digged at for not clarify that I did not absolutely believe he knew, planned or approved of the event - only that I thought he turned it into a political tool - much like Hitler did with the Reichstag (spelling?) fire. This article today supports my thoughts. There is nothing radically new here other than increased awareness that may get the attention of the new Justice Dept. To me, this story and about another dozen that were not properly investigated was the number one reason why it was needed to topple the clintoon/algore throne. By the way, a lorry is British-speak for truck. Barry - Proud charter member of the VRWC The Bomb that gave Clinton victory News/Current Events News Posted on 03/21/2001 07:47:42 PST by robnoel Much has been said of late about OKCwith the interview last nite on O'Riley "Factor"it is my take that Clinton did not want this to be about "international terrorist"so he told the FBI to back offas Ambrose Evans-Pritchard said in his Nov 1996 piece below! Americans would come together if it were "international" however if it were against the "right-wing" that old commie standed for victory...divide and conquer could come into play ...and it did SOURCE AND LINKS Bomb that gave Clinton victory could still return to haunt him By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Washington RELAXING on Air Force One after the election, Bill Clinton told reporters it was the Oklahoma bombing that proved the turning-point in his political fortunes. It was the moment when the militias, the Christian Right and the Gingrich onslaught against government, all melded together in the public mind as one rampant movement of extremism. "It broke a spell in the country as the people began searching for our common ground again," said Clinton. I was struck by the observation, because I have long believed that the Oklahoma bombing was the spring-board for the remarkable come-back of Clinton. The lorry bomb that blew up the Murrah Federal building on April 19 1995, killing 168 people, was a traumatic event. Had it been carried out by foreign radicals, the impact on the national psyche would have been far less. But this was a home-grown conspiracy. Americans were committing mass murder against other Americans. A class full of infants in a day-care centre massacred in cold blood - by Americans. Clinton seized the moment. He blamed Right-wing radio talk shows for sowing distrust of government institutions and for creating a climate of "hate" that fostered recourse to violence. He did not name the Republicans as co-conspirators; he did not have to. The US media made the connection for him. Tim McVeigh was the military expression of the Gingrich agenda, opined the commentators. Republicans had failed to understand that rhetoric has consequences, and now look what had happened. A few Republicans dared to reply that it was the deployment of tanks and CS gas by a militarised FBI against women and children in Waco that had set off the deadly spiral. But most of them were too intimidated, or horrified, to articulate a defence. It worked like magic for Clinton. With control over the Justice Department and the FBI - which he has politicised to an extraordinary degree - he has been able to shape perception of the bombing. But what if the government has suppressed the full truth? What if the most important investigation in modern history has been compromised to ensure the re-election of the President? These are not idle questions. A family that lost two children in the day-care centre has accused the Justice Department of a cover-up. After conducting their own private investigation for the past 18 months Glenn and Cathy Wilburn have amassed evidence suggesting that the government had prior knowledge of the bombing - and negligently failed to stop it. They have demolished the prosecution claim that McVeigh acted alone at the crime scene. The Wilburns have over 300 hours of taped testimony from witnesses who spotted McVeigh with other men in Oklahoma City between 8am and 9am on April 19. The last witness to see the Ryder lorry as it pulled up in front of the Murrah Building, said that the stocky man who got out of the driver's side looked nothing like the tall, gangly McVeigh. who: no such list 'got' The Wilburns, and their daughter Eyde Smith, have now taken their case to the Oklahoma courts. In a civil lawsuit they have named two men - Michael Brescia and a former German army officer, Andreas Strassmeir - as alleged accomplices of McVeigh. They have accused the Justice Department of failing to pursue all the conspirators because one or more of them were federal informants who had penetrated the bombing ring. Fortunately for Clinton this story did not break in the
[CTRL] PRG: Steven Basset to speak [TONIGHT] at Nat'l Press Club, Washington, DC
-Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: PRG FYI for Washington, DC metro area Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 02:01:33 EST PRG Paradigm Research Group Stephen Bassett, director of PRG and executive director of X-PPAC, will be at the National Press Club, 14th and F Streets, NW, 13th floor on Wednesday evening, March 21 from 7:30 to 9:00 pm. Addressing the McClendon Study Group, he will be taking questions and giving an overview and status report for the ongoing process leading toward formal disclosure by the U.S. government of an extraterrestrial presence. The public is welcome and there is no charge. Dinner off the menu in the "Reliable Source" restaurant with the group and speaker starts at 6:30 pm. Paradigm Research Group URL: www.paradigmclock.com E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 301-564-1820 Fax: 301-564-4066 4938 Hampden Lane, #161 Bethesda, Maryland 20814 ** Spread the word about X-PPAC the politics of disclosure. Contribute online at: www.x-ppac.org/Contribute.html or mail to: 4938 Hampden Lane,161 Bethesda, MD 20814 ** "There is almost no limit to what you can accomplish, if you are willing to give away the credit." ** = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FOX: Bush Accused of Undermining clinton's Environmental Rules
-Caveat Lector- http://www.foxnews.com/politics/031701/bush_environment.sml Bush Accused of Undermining Clinton's Environmental Rules Saturday, March 17, 2001 By John Heilprin E-mail This Story WASHINGTON - Environmentalists are accusing the Bush administration of using the federal courts to undermine former President Clinton's forest protection plan. The government on Friday sought to accommodate a legal challenge to the forest plan by offering to suspend the new rules, pending a hearing in the case being brought in federal court by timber interests and the state of Idaho. The plan, unveiled in the final days of Clinton's presidency, would ban road-building and logging in a third of the nation's federal forestland. Friday's action added to concerns among environmentalists that President Bush was signaling his intention to reverse the regulations. "This appears to be a calculated first step by the administration to avoid offering any defense of the roadless policy," said Tim Preso, a staff attorney for the Earthjustice Legal Defense Fund. "By asking for another delay rather than vigorously defending the rule, the Bush administration is giving us every reason to believe they're planning to bring bulldozers back into our national forests," he said. Two lawsuits have been filed, challenging the controversial timber restrictions. In a filing with a federal court, government lawyers made a proposal seeking to postpone a scheduled March 30 hearing on Idaho's request for a preliminary injunction to keep the ban from going into effect. And they said if the request is granted they would not implement the rule in advance. In addition to Idaho's lawsuit, a second suit against the ban has been filed by Boise Cascade Corp., Boise and Valley counties, Emmett, Idaho, rancher Brad Little, off-road vehicle groups and the Kootenai Tribe. The ban "only increases the odds commercial sales will continue to decline" said the Boise Cascade, which announced closures of plywood and lumber operations in two communities last month due to declining federal timber sales. But a coalition of environmental groups also has filed to intervene on behalf of the Forest Service, arguing that the roadless areas protect critical habitat for animals and fish in the state and must be preserved. The administration's move on the forest issue is the latest in a series of actions that have riled environmentalists. Bush this week abandoned his campaign pledge to curtail power plants' carbon dioxide emissions and suggested exploring public lands and national monuments for energy resources. He also has made drilling in an Arctic wildlife refuge a centerpiece of his upcoming national energy plan. The Clinton ban would affect 58 million forest acres where no roads currently exist. Published on Jan. 12, eight days before Clinton left office, it was two years in the making, after the government solicited 1.6 million public comments and held 600 public hearings. The ban originally was scheduled to go into effect on March 13, but last month Bush postponed it until May 12 so that he could review it. Shortly after Clinton announced the ban, the state of Idaho sought a preliminary injunction, saying the government had not conducted adequate research nor allowed for sufficient comment in deciding the forestlands should be protected. U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge in Boise, Idaho, set a hearing for March 30. On Friday, lawyers for the Agriculture Department, which oversees the Forest Service, asked the court to delay the hearing until early May. They also proposed invoking a little-used administrative rule to suspend the ban, saying the department "has committed to postponing the effective date of the rule until this court has decided the motion for a preliminary injunction." Bush cannot block or alter the forest restrictions without going through a new rule-making process since they were published before he took office. "Until the administration is finished with its review of the roadless policy, it will not comment on the merits," Justice Department spokeswoman Christine Romano said. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity
[CTRL] JUDICIAL WATCH TO ANNOUNCE FINDINGS IN INDEPENDENT FLORIDA RECOUNT
-Caveat Lector- MEDIA ADVISORY JUDICIAL WATCH TO ANNOUNCE FINDINGS IN INDEPENDENT FLORIDA RECOUNT Date: Thursday, March 22, 2001 Time: 10:00am ET Place: National Press Club The Lisagor Room 14th F St. NW Washington, DC (202) 882-7500 (Washington, D.C.) Judicial Watch, the non-partisan public interest law firm which has been conducting a recount of disputed ballots in Florida, will announce key findings on its recount tomorrow at a press conference in the National Press Club. Judicial Watch was the first independent group to have examined the ballots under Floridas Sunshine Law. Judicial Watch hired Johnson, Lambert Co., an independent accounting firm, to examine disputed ballots and audit the recounts that took place. Judicial Watchs non-partisan efforts to examine ballots were opposed by both the Gore and Bush campaigns in Florida courts. The press conference announcing the findings will take place at the National Press Clubs Lisagor Room at 14th F Street, NW, Washington DC on Thursday, March 22 at 10:00 am. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] US media black out Civil Rights Commission report on Florida vote
-Caveat Lector- Why did the US media black out the Civil Rights Commission report on the Florida vote? http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/mar2001/civ-m21.shtml By Jerry White 21 March 2001 It would seem elementary that a report from a federal civil rights agency charging widespread voter disenfranchisement in the pivotal state of Florida during the 2000 US presidential election would be a major news item. Not so, according to the decision-makers at the US broadcast media and some of the most influential newspapers. Twelve days ago the US Commission on Civil Rights issued the preliminary findings in its probe of the Florida election, declaring it had found evidence suggesting voting rights violations by state officials. The commission chairwoman, Mary Frances Berry, reported that, among other irregularities, state officials used an inaccurate database knowing that it would wrongly identify as convicted felons thousands of legal voters, who were then purged from the state's voter list. (See our report: US Commission on Civil Rights charges 'voter disenfranchisement... at heart' of Bush victory in Florida http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/mar2001/vote-m10.shtml) The commission's report did not name the "key officials" who it said were responsible. But from the evidence the commission presented, one could only conclude that President George W. Bush's brother, Florida Governor Jeb Bush, along with Secretary of State Katherine Harris and other Republican officials, intentionally acted to make certain that likely Democratic voters would face obstacles casting their ballots and having them counted. In particular, the commission pointed to the disenfranchisement of tens of thousands of working class and minority voters. The commission released its politically explosive report at a press conference held on the morning of March 9 at its Washington, DC headquarters. The event was attended by reporters and photographers from the ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and Fox television networks, as well as from the Associated Press and several radio stations and newspapers. Initially, the report was treated as a major story. The Associated Press had an article on the news wires shortly after the report was released, and CBS radio broadcast the commission's findings as its lead story at 11 a.m. After that, however, news of the report was virtually effaced from the media. Cable News Network's Headline News, which purports to present 24-hour coverage of the most important developments of the day, did not air a word about the Civil Rights Commission's findings. The television networks, ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox, followed suit, saying nothing about the report during their evening news broadcasts. The story was either ignored or downplayed by the print media. On March 9, the day the report was to be released, the New York Times carried a small article, on page 14, which included one paragraph about the commission's charges of voter disenfranchisement. The Washington Post was no less dismissive. On March 10 the Post published a four-paragraph article in its "Washington in Brief" column in the back pages of the edition. According to a media relations representative for the Civil Rights Commission, neither the Times nor the Post sent reporters to cover the release of the report, although, in the case of the Post, the newspaper's offices are only 11 city blocks from the commission's headquarters. The rest of the US print media treated the release of the report as a non-event, with only about a dozen papers, half of them located in Florida, reporting it. USA Today ran a report on page 13 of its March 12 edition. Given the substance of the commission's report, the World Socialist Web Site decided to contact the television networks to demand an explanation for their failure to inform the public of its release. CBS and NBC news spokespersons did not return our calls. In the case of CNN, we were transferred to an operator at the Atlanta-based station's "comment line," who said, "As far as the network is concerned, we are not obligated to give an explanation as to what news is on the air." The WSWS did get through to an executive at ABC News headquarters in New York City, who asked that he not be named. At first he sought to justify the network's decision by saying the report was only a preliminary summary of the commission's findings. Apparently, he wasn't even certain that this was the case. "That's your understanding, isn't it?" he asked the WSWS reporter. After the WSWS reporter outlined the substantive character of the Civil Rights Commission's findings, the ABC News executive insisted that his network had provided ample coverage about charges of discrimination against minority voters. The following exchange ensued: WSWS: Tell me, how does this process work? You had reporters there. A document was released from a federal agency. You had an editorial board meeting. How did you decide this should not be presented to the American public? ABC:
[CTRL] Fw: [CCNN] Clinton Rule Attempted to Alter Definitions of 'Fetus' and 'Child'
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: "Louise Ficklin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:48 AM Subject: [CCNN] Clinton Rule Attempted to Alter Definitions of 'Fetus' and 'Child' Clinton Rule Attempted to Alter Definitions of 'Fetus' and 'Child' By Jason Pierce CNS Editorial Assistant March 21, 2001 (CNSNews.com) - Pro-life organizations are fired up over a pending federal regulation, devised during the last days of the Clinton administration, that could, according to critics, redefine the terms "fetus" and "child" and result in the legal use of newborns for scientific research. The regulation, which was cleared by the Clinton administration on January 17, but then postponed by the Bush administration, states that a newborn is still considered a "fetus" until it is determined the baby will live by "independently maintaining a heartbeat and respiration." Only when this determination is made is the baby considered a "child," according to the rule. When the Bush Administration took office, it immediately placed a 60-day moratorium on the implementation of Clinton's fetus rule as well as many others. The moratorium expired March 19, but last week, a group of pro-life congressmen managed to convince Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson to extend the moratorium on the fetus rule by another 60 days. Reps. John Shadegg (R-Ariz.), Chris Smith (R-N.J.), James Barcia (R-Mich.) and Joseph Pitts (R-Pa.) now find themselves at the center of the controversy, following their letter to Thompson. "If this rule is allowed to proceed, the position of the federal Department of Health and Human Services with regard to 'human research subjects' will be that babies born alive are not necessarily children," the congressmen wrote. "This cannot and should not be the position of an agency tasked with defending children and protecting life." Although the regulation has not yet taken effect, some pro-life organizations believe the four congressmen could have done more to block it permanently. "It shouldn't take 60 days to see how bad this is, it only took me forty-five minutes," said American Life League Spokesman Patrick Delaney. "And the curious lack of fundamental ethical standards is directly reminiscent of the Nazi doctors." Delaney said the regulation degrades humans to the point of treating them like specimens for research. "I personally can't help but to be reminded of the Nazi doctors who determined human persons as experimental guinea pigs," Delaney said. "These regulations seem to be no different and these so-called regulations are a semantic rationalization for murdering innocent human beings." Delaney said pro-life voters elected President Bush in hopes that his administration would revoke such regulations left over from the Clinton administration. However, President Bush has been disappointing in this area, Delaney said. "It seems to us that repeal of these regulations is a no-brainer and the hesitation of the Bush administration in only issuing a sixty-day extension is outrage in itself," he said. "We believe in order for politicians like Tommy Thompson and George W. Bush to claim that title of pro-life, they need to respect personhood of a child beginning from conception. "If they don't, it is our opinion they would have no claim to say they are pro-life," Delaney said. Other groups are equally determined to get the Bush administration to rid the federal books of similar regulations. Michael Schwartz, Vice President of Concerned Women for America zeroed in on the regulation's attempt to redefine the terms, fetus and child. "What really is of concern here are definitions. You don't pass laws embodying definitions. A law is supposed to be a directive," Schwartz said. "To try to find a legislative fix to a definitional problem is the wrong thing to do unless we can connect it to some comprehensive, ... protective law for human research." Schwartz added that the fetus regulation was actually proposed in 1997, "but like so many things, it slipped people's attention until right before it was supposed to be enacted." According to a summary, the proposed HHS rule is intended to "provide additional protections for pregnant women and human fetuses involved in research.[and] enhance the opportunity for participation of pregnant women in research." _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/n4HqaC/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/AHJWlB/TM -_- But if the
Re: [CTRL] PRG: Steven Basset to speak [TONIGHT] at Nat'l Press Club, Washington, DC
-Caveat Lector- What if we are the ET'smany secrets of history of mankind not yet revealed. Though maybe Joshua2 Came from big monkey - Mama and Papa Monkey - my family tree descended to the ancient gods who fought for title of Al Ri? So someday mine will leave this planet and leave it for big apes like Joshua2 with little pea brains...duh? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] News from Hebron:Police foil terrorist attack in Jerusalem (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- What - no little red arrows to car saying "this it it" with neo nazi literature or Koran laid beside map of place to be blown up in advance" Only acts of terrorist one reads of today, are works of those wanting sympathy - now if it had been a truck of fertilizer or box of stones, I would say round up the usual suspects. Saba A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: RE: IATP as Eco Terrorist
Note: forwarded message attached. They're trying to cover this all up by changing the date on Network Solutions yesterday, which you can see by the date it was last updated. Read on. John __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Dale, I dont have very developed research skills, I simply checked out what John Wallace had written and found it all to be true. You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to make the connection, Dale. The info is all there at Network Solutions. That is, IT WAS UNTIL SOMEONE CHANGED IT YESTERDAY!! Nevertheless, it is still easy to see, Dale, and I will now break it down for you here in four easy steps: 1. SUSTAIN is an IATP organization. For in case you didnt know that, please go to http://sustain.org. If thats not enough, please look at the registered owner of the site here: http://networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?STRING=sustain.orgSTRING=Search. 2. Earth First! is a terrorist organization, Im sure you would agree. If not, please take a look at their web site at http://www.enviroweb.org/ef/primer/ and read a bit about them. Then look at the address listed for their Chicago branch, also called Red Gate EF, at http://www.enviroweb.org/ef/contact.html#I. Its 3400 W. 111th St #154, Chicago, IL 60655. 3. GEAN is a collaboration between IATP and SUSTAIN. Please go to http://geaction.org and look at the bottom right hand corner. The contact is Renske van Staveren at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and there is a SUSTAIN contact as well. The registered owner is SUSTAIN, which you can see by going here: http://networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?STRING=geaction.orgSTRING=Search 4. HERES WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING The address of the technical and administrative contact, Jim Bell, AS OF YESTERDAY, was also: 3400 W. 111th St #154, Chicago, IL 60655 THE SAME ONE AS THE EARTH FIRST ADDRESS IN STEP TWO!! Apparently someone at GEAN got scared and changed the address since then. Dale, if you think that I am making this up, please look at the date when this information was LAST UPDATED: 20-MAR-01, or March 20 2001 which was yesterday. Dale, the only conspiracy here is the one within your own organization to cover up this link between SUSTAIN, IATP and Earth First. Someone changed the address yesterday on purpose, after this link was exposed. Please go see for yourself. Believe me, Dale, I hate lies and innuendos as much as anyone. Please take this seriously and follow the steps above. By doing so you will definitely see that something is rotten in the state of Minnesota. Sincerely, MM From: "Dale Wiehoff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mary Murphy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: IATP as Eco Terrorist Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:28:47 -0600 Mary, You and John Wallace seem to have the same research skills, but I can't for the life of me understand the connection you are trying to make. Something about an address in Chicago, an organization named Sustain and so forth all connected to another organization holding a conference. Convoluted is another way to describe this conspiracy theory. Nevertheless, what I object to is a the reposting of information that through innuendo and false claims calls or refers to IATP as a terrorist organization. We are not and we have never been. I suspect that you and Mr. Wallace find it a convenient term to apply to people with whom you disagree. Dale Wiehoff -Original Message- From: Mary Murphy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IATP as Eco Terrorist Dale, Dishonest, you say? Innuendo? When I first saw this message the first thing I did was go to Network Solutions (http://www.networksolutions.com) and there I did a Whois search for geaction.org. The Registrant is Sustain. The administrative contact is Jim Bell, and his address is THE SAME AS THE EARTH FIRST ADDRESS: 3400 W. 111th St #154 Chicago, IL 60655 Please go to http://www.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?STRING=geaction.org and you will see this for yourself. What "dishonest innuendo" are you referring to? The allegation that Earth First is a terrorist organization, or the allegation that your organization shares their mailbox? Either way, the facts speak for themselves. Looking forward to your response. Sincerely, MM From: "Dale Wiehoff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: IATP as Eco Terrorist Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:25:13 -0600 Dear Mary, Your recent posting on AGBIOVIEW calling IATP a terrorist organization is dishonest. While there may be issues we disagree about, resorting to this type of name calling and innuendo serves no useful purpose. Cordially yours, Dale Wiehoff Vice President for Communications Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy 2105 First Avenue South
[CTRL] CR: STANDOFF WITH KSMR UNDERWAY....RESPONSE FROM THE KSM
-Caveat Lector- Source: Clandestine Radio.com http://www.clandestineradio.com/ USA: STANDOFF WITH KSMR UNDERWAY USA: RESPONSE FROM THE KSM http://www.clandestineradio.com/watch/latest.htm USA: Standoff with KSMR Underway By Hans Johnson, Cumbre DX, and Nick Grace C., Clandestine Radio Watch - Washington Bureau, with reports by Chris Lobdell and Martin Schoech. [Mar 15] A standoff is underway between the U.S. government and the recently-launched Kentucky State Militia Radio (KSMR) and the situation is on the verge of reaching critical mass. With time ticking both sides are preparing for a showdown that could happen within days. Documents just obtained by CDX-CRW indicate that members of the Kentucky State Militia (KSM) have been under investigation by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) for alleged amateur radio violations since December. The documents reveal a tense confrontation between KSM "Major" Steve Anderson, who engineers and hosts KSMR, and "Commander" Charlie Puckett against the FCC, which has culminated in the revocation of Anderson's amateur radio license. Anderson, who held the Extra-class license AA8DP, received a "Warning Notice," dated December 8, 2000 that states "Monitoring information before the Commission indicates that on December 4, 2000 you operated radio-transmitting equipment on 6.890 MHz, a frequency not licensed to you under your extra Class license." Puckett, when interviewed independently by CRW and CDX last week, denied published monitoring reports that the KSM or its members were involved in the alleged transmissions, which jammed commercial radio station WWFV. The FCC, according to the documents, also began an investigation into Puckett, who holds the Technician-class license KF4ZMG, for operating on 3860 kHz in December. Puckett denied the violation in writing, stating that the transmissions were under the "control" of Anderson - who is licensed for operation on that frequency. When the government requested specific details from Anderson about the dates, times and the nature of the transmissions' identification, he returned his license to the FCC. "At this time," he wrote in response to the government, "be advised that... the contract with the agency Federal Communications Commission, an agent of a foreign corporation, under the auspices of Amateur Radio license AA8DP, is hereby rescinded. All authority assumed by the F.C.C. is null and void." "I do not reside in any territory or possession of the Federal Government of the United States of America," he continued, "and am not subject to any regulation by this fictitious entity." In what seems to be a major development, Anderson announced during a broadcast on Friday, March 9, that he received another letter from the FCC - presumably for his transmissions as KSMR. "(There is) no point in citing me," he stated. "This is not my station. This is the Kentucky Militia station... We don't want to hear from you (because) you don't have anything to say to us. You don't have any authority over us. We are asserting our First Amendment Rights here and are protecting them with the Second Amendment." The Second Amendment refers to the right to bear arms. "Take My Gun from My Cold Dead Hands" Anderson launched KSMR on March 3 and has broadcast nightly on 3260 kHz USB between 0300 and 0400 UTC. The live programs, confirmed by CRW and CDX to be sponsored by the KSM, begin with a song called "Take My Gun (From My Cold Dead Hands)" by David VonKleist that segues into 15 minutes of militia announcements. Anderson proceeds into a thirty-minute commentary on such topics as Christianity, alleged U.S. government cover-ups, and justifications for the existence of patriot militia movement - which perceives itself to be defending the country against a corrupted and conspiratorial federal government. The program then ends with a 15-minute recitation of militia contact addresses across the United States. "We are trying to protect and defend the (U.S.) Constitution and our sovereign Republic," Anderson told CRW-CDX when reached by telephone. "I hope we're giving a positive message." According to Puckett, the KSM is sponsoring the station to provide news and information that is not widely available to the public. In fact, he alleged, commercial shortwave stations have been censoring patriot programming. "They were selectively pulling programs off... Information that people need!" Published reports, however, indicate that many programs have been taken off the air for financial and not ideological reasons. KSMR, Anderson openly revealed, operates at approximately 800 watts, uses an extended-double zep antenna at 110' (36 meters). The antenna, he said, provides for a 3dB gain over a regular dipole antenna, and plans are in the works to employ a 3kW amplifier he calls the "rock crusher." Regardless, the station is already heard coast-to-coast and has even been monitored in Western Europe. On Wednesday, March
[CTRL] How it's done: When you write the laws... you can legalize theft.
-Caveat Lector- === NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY 2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100 Washington DC 20037 World Wide Web: http://www.LP.org === For release: March 22, 2001 === For additional information: George Getz, Press Secretary Phone: (202) 333-0008 Ext. 222 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === U.S. House planning "sneakiest pay raise in history," Libertarians warn Americans WASHINGTON, DC -- The U.S. House is planning to give itself "the sneakiest pay raise in history," Libertarians warn: a tax-free, $165-per-day payment that would be activated the moment an obscure House panel declares their colleagues are "eligible." "These devious politicians have hatched another scheme to get rich quick at your expense, without accepting any blame," said Steve Dasbach, Libertarian Party national director. "And if we don't speak out immediately, expect this raise to be approved faster than you can say 'pickpocket.' " Just two months after accepting a raise to an exorbitant $145,100 a year, House representatives are working behind the scenes to enact a "per diem" expense allowance of $165 per working day. With about 151 legislative days per year, the raise would amount to a $25,000-a-year, tax-exempt pay hike. But as the public finds out about the maneuver, House leaders "are getting nervous," according to Capitol Hill sources, and the proposal could be shelved -- or enacted -- at any time. "This episode demonstrates that the one word that should strike fear into the hearts of every American is 'bipartisan.' After all, there's nothing more dangerous, or expensive, than Democrats and Republicans working in harmony to funnel your money into their pockets," Dasbach said. As for the amount -- $165 per working day -- he quipped: "How much would we have to pay them just to stay home?" Dasbach predicted that taxpayers would have difficulty deciding what to dislike most about "the sneakiest pay raise in history": the sneakiness itself, the greed, or the hypocrisy. * The Sneakiness: "To avoid publicity, Congressional leaders agreed to delegate the power to approve the raise to the House Administration Committee, a low-profile panel that administers payroll and accounting," Dasbach said. "The panel of six Republicans and three Democrats can trigger the $165 per diem by simply declaring that their House colleagues are 'eligible' for it. "Why are politicians trying so hard to cover their tracks? Because they remember the public outcry over their last salary grab of $3,800 a year, which was opposed by 71 percent of the voters. But don't let them get away with delegating their dirty work to their cronies on the committee. There may be only nine conspirators, but there are 426 co-conspirators in the 435-member House -- and all of them should be held accountable." * The Greed: "If they pile a tax-free $25,000 raise on top of their lavish salaries, they will be raking in the equivalent of a $190,000 taxable salary, not including their lucrative pensions, a $3,000 tax exemption for a second home, and other benefits," Dasbach said. "And if this raise goes through, Congressional salaries will have risen an astronomical $80,600 over the last decade, meaning their raises alone will dwarf the median American family's income. It's time to stand up and say, 'Enough is Enough!' " * The Hypocrisy: "A $25,000 raise isn't enough for these money-grubbing politicians; they want a $25,000 tax-free raise!" Dasbach said. "It's obvious that House politicians have a love-hate relationship with the income tax: They love it when you pay yours, but hate having to pay theirs. You know the government is corrupt when an activity that can make politicians rich -- in this case, income tax evasion -- can get ordinary Americans thrown in jail. "That's why every American should help us combat Congress's latest salary grab. Think of it as preventing a Capitol crime." Sentby Paul E Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor
[CTRL] JW: DNC HAS FAILED TO RETURN ILLEGAL RIADY/LIPPO FOREIGN DONATIONS (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE HAS FAILED TO RETURN ILLEGAL RIADY/LIPPO FOREIGN DONATIONS Disclosure Made by Justice Department During Riady Plea Agreement Hearing DNC Lied to Press Corps and American People (Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, Inc., the public interest law firm that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, opposed the Riady plea agreement in the Chinagate scandal. It was in Court last Monday and learned, from the Justice Department lawyers, that, contrary to public statements, the Democratic National Committee (DNC) has never refunded or disgorged the illegal foreign contributions which it received from Riady. The issue arose under the plea agreement because in the unlikely event Mr. Riady receives the refunds back from the DNC, he must turn them over to the United States. The revelation that the DNC has not voluntarily disgorged, or been forced to disgorge, the illegal foreign campaign contributions, underscores the sham and bogus nature of the Justice Departments campaign finance investigations and prosecutions. In addition, not one DNC or Clinton-Gore White House official has been prosecuted, much less indicted, in the Chinagate scandal. While Mr. Riady and others deserved a lot more than they received for their crimes of bribery and treason against the American people, the hard fact is that only minorities, such as Asian Americans, have been prosecuted at all. None of the fat cat white guys at the DNC or the Clinton-Gore White House have been held to account. Nor have the politicians, such as Senator Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) Carl Levin (D-Mich.), Robert Torricelli (D-NJ), Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and others who received illegal monies from Riady and his operative, John Huang. Indeed, even Bush Labor Secretary Elaine Chao arranged for [illegal] contributions from Huang to Senator Alfonse DAmato. There is a dual system of justice, and the high Caucasian echelon of the Washington elite are currently above the law, stated Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel Larry Klayman. Judicial Watch has 11 Chinagate lawsuits and is working hard to have the white guys of the DNC, Clinton-Gore White House, and others held accountable under the rule of law. Unlike the Bush Administration, we will not be blackmailed into failing to represent the American people. The Bush Administration seem afraid of the Republican involvement in the Chinagate scandal, and this has caused it not to bring about justice, added Klayman. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] US media black out Civil Rights Commission report on Florida vote
-Caveat Lector- Radman, Once again you are promoting disinformation. This is NOT a copy of the Commission Report and the author assumes very wrongly that the 'election officials' to whom Ms. Berry refers are Jeb and Katherine when in fact it is the Democratic poll workers. I watched this on C-Span and the commission stated repeatedly that NO EVIDENCE OF DELIBERATE NOR CRIMINAL WRONG DOING WAS FOUND. In fact, it was the local poll workers, Democratic in most Black neighborhoods, who caused most of the trouble and Ms. Berry commented on that fact, too. So you have found somebody who has wrongly supplied the names of those to whom the report alludes. That is why there is no coverage on this. It is a non-story because it basically never happened. Why don't you post the portions of the actual report instead of this joker's interpretation of it? That would be far more accurate. And, yes, Ms. Berry will ry to hang something on Katherine Harris because that is so much better for her than admitting this was a colossal waste of taxpayer's money and yet another Jackson bogus charge. It should also be embarrassing to those of you who cried 'wolf' that it turned out to be the black poll workers causing most of the trouble. Don't tell me it wasn't because I listened to ALL the testimony and watched lots of it and also on the follow up, everything CSPAN carried on it. I think the commission should be humiliated that they fell for this based on the pitifully lacking testimony given. They are just trying to enhance their budget with this bogus investigation of nothing. Worse things happen to whites at every election and they do not whine and carry on for months. They correct their registration and get on with it. Routine anecdotal incidents were blown out of proportion in an attempt by the deceitful to fabricate a civil rights incident. It fell short. Amelia - Original Message - From: "radman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 7:31 PM Subject: [CTRL] US media black out Civil Rights Commission report on Florida vote -Caveat Lector- Why did the US media black out the Civil Rights Commission report on the Florida vote? http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/mar2001/civ-m21.shtml By Jerry White 21 March 2001 It would seem elementary that a report from a federal civil rights agency charging widespread voter disenfranchisement in the pivotal state of Florida during the 2000 US presidential election would be a major news item. Not so, according to the decision-makers at the US broadcast media and some of the most influential newspapers. Twelve days ago the US Commission on Civil Rights issued the preliminary findings in its probe of the Florida election, declaring it had found evidence suggesting voting rights violations by state officials. The commission chairwoman, Mary Frances Berry, reported that, among other irregularities, state officials used an inaccurate database knowing that it would wrongly identify as convicted felons thousands of legal voters, who were then purged from the state's voter list. (See our report: US Commission on Civil Rights charges 'voter disenfranchisement... at heart' of Bush victory in Florida http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/mar2001/vote-m10.shtml) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FOX: Bush Accused of Undermining clinton's Environmental Rules
-Caveat Lector- I wish I knew the truth about whether protecting these forests causes the deadwood, etc. to ignite creating the terrible fires of the last few years. There are more trees now than when settlers from the Old World arrived so I do not think there is over-cutting of the forests but it is the wildlife habitat that concerns me. It is a shame the timber cannot be harvested in a more responsible manner than large companies now use. If it were done correctly with a minimum of disturbance of species not being harvested instead of massive clear-cutting of everything, it would satisfy those of both lines of thought. That, however, is not the profitable way to do it. It can be done in a fairly responsible manner, however, leaving other trees in place because I see it done all around me by logging crews working for Mead Paper when they go onto private property and do this logging. Mead pays the owners but is still not allowed to devastate the property and often agrees to replant, etc. I guess some of the problem comes about when there is a single-species Forrest instead of the variety of these natural forests. It just seems there should be middle ground between the deadwood fires of the last few summers and total destruction of the forest land. Amelia A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Analysis: Sharon Meets Bush
-Caveat Lector- This is a post by someone who sees Biblical prophesy in recent events in the Middle East. I neither support nor oppose these views and am posting for informational purposes only. You decide. I found the security details interesting also. Amelia - Original Message - From: "Koenig's International News" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 7:52 PM Subject: Analysis: Sharon Meets Bush Analysis: Sharon Meets Bush - Bill Koenig March 21, 2001 SECURITY BLANKET The security for the visit of Israel's Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to Washington was enormous. I was walking to the White House on Monday, and my usual route was closed off. Taking another way, I found that street, just to the west of the White House, closed also. The reason became immediately clear, because I spotted the Israeli flag flying over the Blair House, the residence where foreign dignitaries stay when visiting the White House. I also saw many official-looking black cars and SUV's parked in front. A Secret Service officer told me that it would be ten minutes or so before the street would reopen. Sure enough, approximately ten minutes later, a five-motorcycle brigade pulled out to the street, and a convoy of seven cars lined up behind them before leaving with Ariel Sharon and his party. The most incredible sight was a specially- made black limousine with two side windows rolled down on both sides, and two Israeli machine gunners sitting in place ready for the slightest provocation. I found out later that the convoy was on the way to the Pentagon for Ariel Sharon's full honors presentation and then to meet with Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. Late Monday afternoon, upon my leaving for home, I witnessed Secretary of State Colin Powell leaving the Blair House after a meeting with Sharon. Some Jewish observers clapped and thanked him for his powerful message to American Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) that morning. I was in the driveway of the West Wing yesterday when the Israeli Prime Minister arrived for a meeting with President Bush. Here was another example of the tight security in place, because, rather than walking the 100 yards from the Blair House to the White House, Ariel Sharon rode in his vehicle right to the front door, getting out and entering directly into the West Wing. Sharon left the same way also. The entire north lawn of the White House had Secret Service agents in evidence; I have not nor probably will not see security this tight again, unless the new Israeli Prime Minister comes back for another visit. ANALYSIS As I mentioned in my recent commentary, "Middle East: Bottom Line," two of the three key remaining issues in the quest for Mideast peace remain the splitting of Jerusalem and the sovereignty over the Temple Mount. Both Israel and the Palestinians seem to be set in their position and unwilling to budge. The same scenario applies to the third issue, involving control over the strategic Golan Heights, which involves Israel and Syria. Again, both sides appear to be firmly holding to their "line in the sand" and therein lies the potential for conflict. Additionally, Sharon has warned everyone that his government will not offer anything close to the concessions that former Prime Minister Ehud Barak had previously put on the table. PERSPECTIVE: SHARON AND BUSH The Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz contained this article on Sunday: "Sharon heads confidently for the U.S., expecting to find a common language with the Bush administration." Here is the peace that the two leaders envision: President Bush is interested in securing the flow of oil from the Gulf and in reducing Iraq's power. There he needs quiet and calm in the Arab world. Prime Minister Sharon wants to release his Israeli citizens from their fear of Arab terror attacks, while paying Yasser Arafat and the Palestinians only the minimum price in territorial compromise. Sharon continues to say that security for the people of Israel is the number one priority. He also maintains that no further talks will take place until the security issues are dealt with and terror is ended. He also has stated previously that he won't budge on dividing Jerusalem, the sovereignty over the Temple Mount, and control of the Golan Heights. His main plan is to continue isolating Arafat and seeking to overturn his government. Bush will not push for Middle East peace and is under no deadline. He also would like to isolate Iran, Iraq, and most likely Arafat-all terror concerns in that region. If these entities are under control, then the region will be a safer place. The purpose of Colin Powell's recent trip to the Middle East was to share the White House plan with the Gulf War Allies. Additionally, President Bush will be able to share that plan in person with Egypt's President Mubarek on April 2 and King Abdullah of Jordan
[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] NYP: THE HIDDEN THREAT OF AGRO-TERROR
-Caveat Lector- Prudy, Did you know the French have had a vaccine for this for years? Why was it not used routinely? And why are we not vaccinating in this country right now? Amelia - Original Message - From: "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] NYP: THE HIDDEN THREAT OF AGRO-TERROR -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 03/19/2001 7:07:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Think how easily a few bad guys could spark an outbreak of wildly contagious foot-and-mouth disease like the one now devastating Britain's livestock. It's the latest fear on the terrorism front: agricultural terrorism. Experts say there's no sign that terrorists caused the disaster in Britain - where a million animals may have to be destroyed - but it could easily happen here. Or anywhere. In reality we already have agro-terror. The slaughter of millions of animals because of hoof mouth disease is tantamount to the decision to kill every human who might contract flue. The mini-brained policy of killing cattle for suffering from a disease that makes them ill but from which they quickly recover is the best case of agro-terrorism I've heard in a long time. One would think that the money spent to kill and burn the "possibly" affected cattle would be better spent in the feeding of vitamin supplements to allow them to return to full strength and productivity. God forbid putting politicians in charge of animal health. They haven't done a lot for human health either, have they? Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: World War 3 ?Who Knows!
-Caveat Lector- I have been hearing these sorts of reports for a long time now. One would think the woods would be crawling with military from all of this. Maybe it is. I did see a large convoy of non-English-speaking soldiers in unmarked uniforms last year. I know they did not speak English as they were ordering food at McDonald's using an interpreter American (apparently) G.I.who had insignia on his uniform. Not speaking any language I could recognize so I'd guess Eastern European/Russian type language. Probably about 50 of them. But such is part of routine training, etc. so would we even know if something were to be afoot? AKE - Original Message - From: "wilford bates" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "truthsteward" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 6:33 AM Subject: Fwd: World War 3 ?Who Knows! Gleaned from another list, Bill has both oars in the water folks, I value his input and friendship... From: "Pointman USA" Subject: World War 3 ?Who Knows! - World War 3 ?Who Knows! Last Sunday I was eating at place in a rural setting next to a secondary country road. I looked up and I saw Army armored personnel carriers being hauled up the road led and followed by military jeeps. ( A week ago I was looking at that new watch-gunner tower on I-77 on the east side hill, between the Eden's Fork Exit and Montgomery Exit, mile marker 103 1/2 just a few miles up 77 from Charleston, West Virginia. Then several missile batteries -the launchers- went on by. I thought "What on earth is next"? As I am writing the Air National Guard just flew over and they are flying in what I call the "Kick Butt Pattern". Just in case some commie spy is on here I advise the Red Chinese and Russians that Bushky will "smoke" them if he can get past the UN.) There are no official military bases here other than a few national guard units. The direction they came from meant these things were being hid somewhere else - out on Uncle Fred's farm somewhere. Well, I just got the word from an inside source the military is moving a lot of hardware to a holding zone depending on which direction they should go first;(1) The Middle East -or-(2) The Baltic-Macedonia area again. I was told Israel is on the verge of popping off the "Big One" if it gets worse. A Middle East War coupled with Macedonia and Red China on Taiwan would stretch us too thin but would boost a "War Economy" wouldn't it? Who knows, but I have been seeing things and hearing things and the mainstream press has been quiet about all of that. Instead they are rambling on about the "Hoof-And-Mouth" disease and the California power outages -which just may put us in a "State Of Emergency" by this summer- at least on the west Coast. Now the media is admitting pregnant mothers murdered, and are having their so-called premature babies saved. Hence, we are murdering babies with abortion. Apparently, when the heat is on over seas and they are so concerned about keeping the lid on it they forget and have a 'Freudian -slip' somewhere else they have been lying about. European military bases are in "Lock-Down". Some say it is because of the "hoof-and-mouth" and "mad-cow" disease. If so, then they must know it may be a terrorist attack. On the other hand, Europe may be in for another war -bigger- than we know. Who knows? But one thing is for sure, nobody is allowed on or off of the bases! I received a letter from Dr.Lewis of AIPL ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) describing the similarities of now and pre-World War Two. A drought-dust bowl, hoof-and-mouth-disease in America, the economy gone bad, fuel shortages ,etc., etc., it looks like a carbon copy. Gee who wrote this script-here we go again? No wonder they are shaking the pictures off my wall putting that underground FEMA base in behind me. No wonder they are putting air-raid sirens back in the big cities. Oh, and the country Clinton gave 5 Billion a year to update it's nuclear missiles is the same country backing the trouble in the Middle East and in the Baltic's. And that country gave Red China -who has a 200 million man Army - a few nuclear aircraft carriers and nuke subs - it is Mother Russia! When all hell rains down on you liberals I want you Clintonistas to remember Slick Willy arranged that for you. In the meantime, you Liberals make sure you take all of our guns and ammo. You most certainly want a swift victory. When America has finally been made safe for Americans then it will also be safe for any invading Army to take it over - our troops won't be here to protect us. If any of you out there have extra money go out and buy extra weapons and ammo. The day will come when you will have to arm your neighbor that has decided to be on your side. And, if they declare a "National Emergency" all stores with weapons will be shut down. Think
Re: [CTRL] 'priests abuse of nuns' report
-Caveat Lector- Dear List, Below find info on this article. Sincerely, Neil Brick This article may be heavy for survivors of abuse to read. Vatican denies 'priests abuse of nuns' report - The Vatican has denied a report in the National Catholic Reporter that says sexual abuse of nuns by priests is a serious problem. The article is based on five reports by senior members of women's religious orders and a priest going back to 1994. The National Catholic Reporter said the reports have been discussed at top Vatican levels. from http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_249036.html A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] (Fwd) Release: Congressional pay raise
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded message follows --- Date sent: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:40:34 -0500 (EST) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Release: Congressional pay raise From: Libertarian Party Announcements [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- === NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY 2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100 Washington DC 20037 World Wide Web: http://www.LP.org === For release: March 22, 2001 === For additional information: George Getz, Press Secretary Phone: (202) 333-0008 Ext. 222 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === U.S. House planning "sneakiest pay raise in history," Libertarians warn Americans WASHINGTON, DC -- The U.S. House is planning to give itself "the sneakiest pay raise in history," Libertarians warn: a tax-free, $165-per-day payment that would be activated the moment an obscure House panel declares their colleagues are "eligible." "These devious politicians have hatched another scheme to get rich quick at your expense, without accepting any blame," said Steve Dasbach, Libertarian Party national director. "And if we don't speak out immediately, expect this raise to be approved faster than you can say 'pickpocket.' " Just two months after accepting a raise to an exorbitant $145,100 a year, House representatives are working behind the scenes to enact a "per diem" expense allowance of $165 per working day. With about 151 legislative days per year, the raise would amount to a $25,000-a-year, tax-exempt pay hike. But as the public finds out about the maneuver, House leaders "are getting nervous," according to Capitol Hill sources, and the proposal could be shelved -- or enacted -- at any time. "This episode demonstrates that the one word that should strike fear into the hearts of every American is 'bipartisan.' After all, there's nothing more dangerous, or expensive, than Democrats and Republicans working in harmony to funnel your money into their pockets," Dasbach said. As for the amount -- $165 per working day -- he quipped: "How much would we have to pay them just to stay home?" Dasbach predicted that taxpayers would have difficulty deciding what to dislike most about "the sneakiest pay raise in history": the sneakiness itself, the greed, or the hypocrisy. * The Sneakiness: "To avoid publicity, Congressional leaders agreed to delegate the power to approve the raise to the House Administration Committee, a low-profile panel that administers payroll and accounting," Dasbach said. "The panel of six Republicans and three Democrats can trigger the $165 per diem by simply declaring that their House colleagues are 'eligible' for it. "Why are politicians trying so hard to cover their tracks? Because they remember the public outcry over their last salary grab of $3,800 a year, which was opposed by 71 percent of the voters. But don't let them get away with delegating their dirty work to their cronies on the committee. There may be only nine conspirators, but there are 426 co-conspirators in the 435-member House -- and all of them should be held accountable." * The Greed: "If they pile a tax-free $25,000 raise on top of their lavish salaries, they will be raking in the equivalent of a $190,000 taxable salary, not including their lucrative pensions, a $3,000 tax exemption for a second home, and other benefits," Dasbach said. "And if this raise goes through, Congressional salaries will have risen an astronomical $80,600 over the last decade, meaning their raises alone will dwarf the median American family's income. It's time to stand up and say, 'Enough is Enough!' " * The Hypocrisy: "A $25,000 raise isn't enough for these money-grubbing politicians; they want a $25,000 tax-free raise!" Dasbach said. "It's obvious that House politicians have a love-hate relationship with the income tax: They love it when you pay yours, but hate having to pay theirs. You know the government is corrupt when an activity that can make politicians rich -- in this case, income tax evasion -- can get ordinary Americans thrown in jail. "That's why every American should help us combat Congress's latest salary grab. Think of it as preventing a Capitol crime." -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBOrlVONCSe1KnQG7RAQGyLgP8CikVtxnULdSbc54haNDnSzxbXwAsxLda N5sZJCFDgkxLiYpzk2xhWC5NNSnzicrp+hDpAf+T0E9yXa3r4N6eMwU/KU4JDZiD HbosOiYrlEMh7efeD4zlnkuXFJhNhjPTdCyjG9vX6II6Jqz5SnQ0sdjdaGc98Bfe Ty0khu2WnAk= =B+G2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- The Libertarian Partyhttp://www.lp.org/ 2600 Virginia
[CTRL] (Fwd) Survey: The GOP's Libertarian Problem
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded message follows --- Date sent: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:37:22 -0500 (EST) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Survey: The GOP's Libertarian Problem From: Libertarian Party Announcements [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Friends: Are Libertarians "a problem?" The answer, according to the Republican Party, is a resounding yes. That's why GOP operatives are holding a high-level strategy meeting in Washington this week. An article in National Review online says the fact that "Libertarian Party candidates are seriously hurting Republicans may be the most underreported political phenomenon of the last two election cycles." Some Libertarians see this as a problem. They worry that we may be helping to elect the worst of the two major party candidates. Other Libertarians see this as a sign of our growing strength and influence. They believe we should actively contest as many races as possible. What do you think? After reading the National Review article (appended below), please visit http://www.dehnbase.org/poll.cgi?n=2 and participate in our short online survey. After the survey is complete, we'll email you a copy of the results. Thank you for your participation and support. Ron Crickenberger Libertarian Party Political Director == begin National Review Online article = The GOP's Libertarian Problem Nader wasn't the only spoiler. By NR's John J. Miller Ramesh Ponnuru March 19, 2001 2:25 p.m. Chuck Muth of the Republican Liberty Caucus is in Washington, D.C., this week to meet with GOP operatives on what may be the most underreported political phenomenon of the last two election cycles: Libertarian Party candidates are seriously hurting Republicans. While much has been said about Ralph Nader arguably keeping Al Gore out of the White House -- the Green Party nominee drew more than 97,000 votes in Florida, for example -- hardly anybody has noticed how Libertarians have put Republicans on the brink of losing the Senate. In both 1998 and 2000, a Republican candidate for Senate lost to a Democrat by a margin much less than the Libertarian's total vote. The most recent victim was Slade Gorton of Washington. In a final tally that took weeks to add up and confirm, he lost to Maria Cantwell by 2,228 votes. A Libertarian candidate, Jeff Jared, hauled in 64,734 votes. Two years earlier, Republican John Ensign lost to incumbent Democrat Harry Reid in Nevada by a measly 428 votes, in a race that saw Libertarian Michael Cloud draw 8,044 votes. If Ensign had won that race beating a man who is the second-ranking Senate Democrat, no less -- and another Republican had picked up the seat Ensign came back to win last year, there would be two more Republicans and two fewer Democrats in the chamber. Instead of a 50-50 split, Republicans would have a 52- 48 majority. There would be no morbid Strom Thurmond death watch. The problem isn't just confined to the Senate. The GOP arguably would also control two more House seats if no Libertarians had run last fall. Rep. Steve Kuykendall of California lost re-election against Jane Harman by 4,452 votes; Libertarian candidate Daniel Sherma attracted 6,073 votes. In New Jersey, Democratic Rep. Rush Holt fended off Republican Dick Zimmer by 651 votes. Worth Winslow of the Libertarian Party attracted 1,225 votes. "Libertarians need to understand that they're nothing but spoilers," says Muth. "And Republicans need to learn how to earn their votes." Libertarian voters wouldn't necessarily support Republicans in the absence of an alternative. Many might not turn out at all. Others would choose another minor party, such as the Greens, in order to register disapproval with the two major parties. A few might even vote for Democrats. But in the main, Libertarians are freedom-loving, small- government advocates who would find a more natural home in the GOP than almost anywhere else. "Exit polling shows that we take twice as many votes from Republicans as from Democrats," says Libertarian Party spokesman George Getz. The proof may be found in the 1992 Georgia Senate race, in which no candidate won a majority. Republican Paul Coverdell led the pack with 49 percent, Democratic Sen. Wyche Fowler nipped at his heels with 48 percent, and Libertarian Jim Hudson took 3 percent. In a runoff between the two leaders, Coverdell prevailed 51 percent to 48 percent. Hudson had endorsed him, and Libertarians like to think that their flock accounted for Coverdell's 3-point jump in the runoff. That's a rare case of Libertarians helping a Republican -- but only after forcing a near-death experience. The Georgia runoff might easily have gone the other way. In this age of Senate power sharing and a razor-thin GOP House majority, Republicans can't ignore the Libertarians. If they do, it may cost them dearly. == end
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[CTRL] Anthrax hoax becomes copycat trend
-Caveat Lector- http://www.news-press.com/news/today/010310anthrax.html Anthrax hoax becomes copycat trend First threat hit area last November By MIKE NEMETH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anthrax. The word's frightening. The bold words go here: Lisa Fulton, left, and Ruth Savage, workers at Cameron British Foods, make Shepard Pies in the north Cape Coral facility. Things are back to normal after the company was the target of an anthrax hoax last November. Sounds like a Middle Eastern chemical weapon utilized by wild-eyed fanatics. Could be something out of a Robert Ludlum or Tom Clancy thriller. It's leaving the old bomb scare in the dust. "Over the past few years, there have been between 400 and 500 biochemical threats made in notes and letters," said Brian Kensel, a special agent with the FBI in Tampa. "And every single one of them has been a hoax." For bad jokes, they sure cause a commotion. Southwest Florida learned firsthand Nov. 24, the day Bonnie Cameron of Cameron's British Foods in Cape Coral opened a package, and black powder spilled over her. Her son found a note inside as his mother went to wash up. "Anthrax." "When we first opened it, your first instinct is, 'This is a bunch of bull,' " said Bonnie's husband, Don Cameron. "But then there's the seriousness of, 'What if?' That's where the panic began." The hoax sent 19 people to Cape Coral Hospital, shut down the Cape Coral Industrial Park, drew scores of emergency workers and threw the media into a frenzy. It was the first of four anthrax scares to hit Southwest Florida within about 100 days, including Friday's at Sanibel Harbor Resort. "Some people do it because they think it's funny," said Duane Dobbert, a criminal psychology professor at Florida Gulf Coast University. "Other people do it because they're flat-out disturbed." Anthrax is a disease usually found in animals in Third Word countries, where livestock are not vaccinated. People are rarely infected, but the disease can be fatal, causing severe damage to the respiratory system and brain if not treated promptly with antibiotics. Dobbert said the first in a series of anthrax threats to strike a community typically comes from someone seeking revenge against a particular person, business or industry. Those that follow usually are from copycats, who either have someone they want to harm or just want to cause a panic after learning of the hoax in newspapers or on TV. Perhaps that's what brought on subsequent threats in Southwest Florida. On Jan. 24 - two months after the Camerons' business was threatened - someone sent an envelope labeled "anthrax" and containing white powder to OSI Collection Services in Fort Myers. The powder later was identified as talc. Four employees were forced to disrobe in a tent in breezy 60-degree weather and take a decontamination shower before being taken to the hospital. On Feb. 6, Evelyn Crosby, owner of Stonecutter's Jewelry in Cape Coral, found an envelope in her mailbox labeled anthrax. The word was misspelled. She did not open it. Kensel said the media tend to perpetuate anthrax hoaxes by covering them. "Tampa media have gotten together and drawn newsroom guidelines to parallel bomb threats, and we've had very few incidents in this area," Kensel said. "Orlando has covered them extensively, and in one week, we had 14 from one source." Media culpability or not, people are choosing to use the anthrax threat these days, leaving behind old hoax standbys like bomb threats or smallpox. "It's the poison of choice," Dobbert said. "I suspect it's because the word is frightening. It's very unknown to most people." The Gulf War in 1991 made anthrax part of our vernacular. "There were widespread reports that Iraq had a viable biological warfare program," said Kevin Briggs of Denver, Colo., a member of the American Civil Defense Association's board of directors. "The military said this is a very real weapon in our time." In 1993, the U.S. Congressional Office of Technology Assessment estimated that if 100 kilograms of anthrax spores were released into the air in Washington, D.C., it would kill between 130,000 and 3 million people, according to the Web site for the Journal of the American Medical Association. "The thing about anthrax is it's very subtle," Briggs said. "You wouldn't be able to see or smell or know it's happening unless you had huge amounts of powder." Before the Gulf War, Dobbert said, a person fired from his or her job might seek revenge by calling the IRS and reporting illegal activities by the target firm, or by calling in a bomb threat, especially in the days before calls could be traced. "Stuff a little talcum powder in an envelope, attach a little love note, and it shuts down operations for a day," added Briggs. While no one here has released biohazards, it has happened elsewhere. In 1995, a terrorist group in Japan, the Aum Shinrikyo, released sarin in Tokyo's subway system. The Journal of the American Medical
[CTRL] WSJ: Politics and Prosecutors
-Caveat Lector- http://interactive.wsj.com March 22, 2001 Review Outlook Politics and Prosecutors Last week, the Bush Administration took some serious steps toward putting the Department of Justice in order after years of Clinton scandal and controversy. President Bush nominated Michael Chertoff, an experienced former federal prosecutor to head the department's criminal division; Mr. Chertoff performed well as chief counsel to the original Senate Whitewater Committee. And Mr. Bush set in motion the orderly departure of U.S. Attorneys. Mr. Bush also let it be known that the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Mary Jo White, would remain in her job indefinitely. This is a mistake. The Southern District is the most powerful federal crime-fighting office outside of Washington. It is critical for a President to have his own person in the post. The Southern District is responsible for a wide array of prosecutions, from political corruption to financial fraud to world terrorism. Ms. White has done an outstanding job building a team to prosecute major terrorism cases, winning convictions in complex trials stemming from plots to blow up the World Trade Center, the United Nations and U.S. airlines in the Far East. Today she is prosecuting the important embassy bombings case against the Osama bin Laden network. The chief argument for keeping Ms. White on is that she needs to supervise the bin Laden case. We find this unconvincing, but a solution could be found in appointing Ms. White special master to oversee the prosecution, making way for her successor. It may turn out that it was just Ms. White's misfortune to have been U.S. Attorney for the Southern District while Bill Clinton was President; she is not alone in this particular brand of misfortune. The fact remains that her office ended up with prosecutions relating to the Clinton faction's depredations against the political system, specifically those involving the Teamsters Union and the Democratic Party. The U.S. Attorney's handling of these cases has been famously slow, and the statute of limitations on fraud in the Teamsters case expires at year's end. THE CLINTON YEARS Order The Journal's collected commentary, "A Journal Briefing: Whitewater." Volume VI is $16.95. Get all six volumes for $79.95 or on CD-ROM for $29.95. To order, call: 1-800-635-8349 In 1999, Ms. White's prosecutors convicted former Teamsters political director William Hamilton for fraud and conspiracy in a 1996 scheme to embezzle $850,000 from the union treasury for the re-election campaign of then-Teamster President Ron Carey. The money was laundered as donations to other unions and political groups, which then returned it in contributions to the Carey campaign. Trial testimony about the schemes implicated Mr. Carey, AFL-CIO Secretary Treasurer Richard Trumka, American Federation of State County and Municipal Employees head Gerald McEntee, Service Employees International Union chief Andy Stern, and Terry McAuliffe, then head of the 1996 Clinton-Gore re-election effort and currently chairman of the Democratic National Committee. Ms. White is not connecting the dots in the McAuliffe case, but others are. Last month the Philadelphia Inquirer reported that "little noticed testimony" at the trial and before a Senate committee portrayed Mr. McAuliffe "as a prime mover in a plan to find Democratic contributors for Carey's faltering 1996 re-election campaign in exchange for Teamsters contributions to Democratic Party accounts." The Inquirer noted that a 1998 Senate report concluded that Mr. McAuliffe and other Democratic National Committee officials "participated in efforts to engage in a contributions swap scheme. Such efforts included soliciting an illegal contribution for Carey's campaign." Mr. Carey was indicted in January in connection with the case but none of the other men have been charged. All have declared they did no wrong, and that indeed may be true. But the Carey case is a dagger pointed at some of the most powerful figures in the Democratic Party and the American labor movement. Someone other than Ms. White should make the decision about further prosecutions, before the clock runs out. Leaving aside the bin Laden prosecution, there is also the real possibility that the White tenure will simply begin to go off the rails. Our reading of her capture of the pardon cases is that it is largely grandstanding. Law enforcement officials are in wide agreement that making a case against the former President in the pardons matter would be almost impossible and constitutionally ill-advised. Moreover, both of New York's Senators have begun to intrude themselves, criticizing the Administration for replacing New York's three other federal prosecutors. Senator Clinton's disapproval is especially hilarious, as her husband summarily fired the entire federal attorney corps as one of his first acts. With Senators Clinton and Schumer now protectively looming over Ms.
Re: [CTRL] How it's done: When you write the laws... you can legalizetheft.
-Caveat Lector- "Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." - P.J. O'Rourke Nurev Ind Research wrote: -Caveat Lector- === NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY 2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100 Washington DC 20037 World Wide Web: http://www.LP.org === For release: March 22, 2001 === HA! J2 posting a Libertarian party press release (and in a favorable light)?! Never thought I'd see the day In defense, I assume he'll come back with something along the lines of: even if a fool says the sun is shining, doesn't mean the moon's out. The title of the thread sure seems to hit the nail on the head. As what's-his-face long ago put it: "All the great governments of the world - those now existing, as well as those that have passed away - have been of this character. They have been mere bands of impostors, who have associated for purposes of plunder, conquest, and the enslavement of their fellow men. And their laws, as they have called them, have been only such agreements as they have found it necessary to enter into, in order to maintain their organizations, and act together in plundering and enslaving others, and in securing to each his agreed share of the spoils. "All these laws have had no more real obligation than have the agreements which brigands, bandits, and pirates find it necessary to enter into with each other, for the more successful accomplishment of their crimes, and the more peaceable division of their spoils. "Thus substantially all the legislation of the world has had its origin in the desires of one class of persons to plunder and enslave others These laws have continued in force for hundreds, and, in some countries, for thousands of years; and are in force today, in greater or less severity, in nearly all the countries on the globe. "The purpose and effect of these laws have been to maintain, in the hands of the robber, or slave holding class, a monopoly of all lands, and, as far as possible, of all other means of creating wealth; and thus to keep the great body of laborers in such a state of poverty and dependence, as would compel them to sell their labor to their tyrants for the lowest prices at which life could be sustained. "The result of all this is, that the little wealth there is in the world is all in the hands of a few - that is, in the hands of the law-making, slave-holding class; who are now as much slaveholders in spirit as they ever were, but who accomplish their purposes by means of the laws they make for keeping the laborers in subjection and dependence, instead of each one's owning his individual slaves as so many chattels. "Thus the whole business of legislation, which has now grown to such gigantic proportions, had its origin in CONSPIRACIES, which have always existed among the few, for the purpose of holding the many in subjection, and extorting from them their labor, and the profits of their labor. "And the real motives and spirit which lie at the foundation of all legislation - notwithstanding all the pretenses and disguises by which they attempt to hide themselves - are the same today as they always have been. The whole purpose of this legislation is simply to keep one class of men in subordination and servitude to another." -- Lysander Spooner (1876) ...and let's not forget that: "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it". Frederic Bastiat "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws." --Tacitus "The state calls its own violence law, but that of the individual, crime." --Max Stirner "Every man is free to do that which he wills, provided he infringes not the equal freedom of any other man." --Herbert Spencer "What, then, is legislation? It is an assumption by one man, or body of men, of absolute, irresponsible dominion over all other men whom they can subject to their power." --Lysander Spooner "Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal." --Frederic Bastiat "The greatest of all crimes... are committed, not so much by men who violate the laws, as by men who, either by themselves or by their instruments, make the laws; by men who have combined to usurp arbitrary power, and to maintain it by force and fraud, and whose purpose in usurping and maintaining it is by unjust and unequal legislation, to secure to themselves such advantages and monopolies as will enable them to control and extort the labor and properties of other
