[CTRL] Timeline to Global Governance.
-Caveat Lector- Timeline to Global Governance. http://www.sovereignty.net/p/gov/timeline.html A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Was Chinese ship preparing nuke test
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=22648 Was Chinese ship preparing nuke test? Surveillance of destroyer's activity possibly sparked EP-3 incident By Jon Dougherty © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com The April 1 incident between a U.S. Navy EP-3 surveillance plane and a pair of aggressive Chinese fighters may have occurred because a Chinese warship was preparing to test a nuclear-capable anti-ship missile, sources have told WorldNetDaily. According to intelligence and military sources, one of a pair of new Russian-built Sovremenny class destroyers China bought in 1999 was preparing to conduct a sea test of a nuclear device, probably one that could be carried on an anti-ship missile, one source, who requested anonymity, said. One of two Chinese Russian-built Sovremenny class destroyers. The report, which was confirmed by other well-placed military sources, said the EP-3 surveillance flight may have been in the area to monitor the test. The presence of the U.S. plane is said to have caused substantial unease among Chinese military officials preparing the test, which may explain the aggressiveness of two Chinese F-8 fighters sent up to shadow the American plane. We were reading their tactical mail, so they decided to bash the postman, one source said. One Chinese fighter clipped the EP-3 in midair while making a high-speed pass. The collision caused enough damage to the Navy plane that it was forced to declare a Mayday and land. The Chinese fighter crashed; Beijing has said its pilot was killed. WND, quoting foreign sources, reported April 4 that the remaining Chinese fighter fired its weapons at the EP-3 following the collision, preventing it from fleeing the area and forcing it to land at China's Hainan Island airbase, where the plane remains, though a U.S. inspection team arrived there yesterday to examine it. The aircraft's 24-member crew was held by Chinese authorities for 11 days. They were released April 12 after the U.S. ambassador to China presented a carefully worded letter to Beijing. The Pentagon has not confirmed that the Navy plane was fired on, but officials have acknowledged that they were aware of those reports. Richard Fisher, a China weapons analyst with The Jamestown Foundation, told WND that the SS-N-22 Sunburn Moskit anti-ship missiles included in the Sovremenny destroyer deal with Russia are capable of carrying nuclear payloads. While not able to comment directly on the report that China may have been testing a nuclear device on or about April 1, Fisher said Russia initially designed the Sunburns to carry nuclear warheads. When they entered service, the Moskit was assumed to be nuclear-armed, or at least some of them were, Fisher said. It is reported that the Moskit was designed to carry a small nuclear warhead. Yakhont anti-ship missile in flight. Fisher said he did not know whether a new Russian-built missile, the Yakhont, which is smaller, was nuclear-capable, but said it was possible it could carry a smaller nuclear warhead. The Yakhont is also a supersonic anti-ship weapon. Russia, which began using it in the mid-1990s, says it is incapable of being destroyed by current shipboard anti-missile defenses, including Aegis systems aboard U.S. warships. Military officials claim it is impervious to guidance jamming and is a fire and forget weapon. Reports have said that China is interested in buying up to four more Sovremenny-class destroyers to augment the existing warships in its fleet and that they may be equipped with the Yakhont. The Sovremennys give the Chinese navy a punch it has been lacking, noted Robert Karniol, Asia-Pacific editor of Jane's Defense Weekly. WND reported April 6 that part of the EP-3's mission could have been to monitor Chinese submarines also in the area. Many of China's most modern submarines operate out of bases on Hainan Island. WorldNetDaily Was Chinese ship preparing nuke test.url
[CTRL] FC: Ex-CNNers web site exposes nude photos of Headline News anchor (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- CNN recently hired actress Andrea Thompson, reportedly a veteran of NYPD Blue, Baywatch, and Silk Stalkings, as a Headline News anchor. A web site devoted to former CNN staffers hit by layoffs has exposed nude photos of Thompson: http://tedsturnovers.com/ The actual photos (aka the reason you're reading this message): http://s10.sexshare.com/~nudecelebs/thumbs/celebrities/andriat.html Excerpt from tedsturnovers.com: In a market move that would impress even Moneyline's Lou Dobbs, CNN's very own Andrea Thompson's big screen effort Manhattan Gigolo has skyrocketed in price, rising more than 500-percent - virtually overnight. The 1986 film, directed by Italian movie maker, Amasi Damiani, who's works include the likes of 1990's Dirty Love 2, and Mad Love 2, is ballooning in price on web auction site Ebay. Thompson's contribution to Gigolo is limited to about 10 minutes of on-screen time, during which the then nubile 26 year-old portrayed a woman engaging in sexual activities with multiple partners. No word on the rental activity of this cinema classic. News coverage: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25323-2001Apr30.html http://slate.msn.com/diary/01-04-30/diary.asp -Declan - POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if it remains intact. To subscribe, visit http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ - A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ~Reno to Speak in Waco~ (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Reno to Speak in Waco - http://www.apfn.org/apfn/genocide.htm http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html Tue May 1 11:14:38 2001 Patriots, I was able to find a URL with which you can contact Baylor and let them know how you feel about having Reno speak. It's: http://www.baylor.edu/president/submit.html Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baylor University - Waco, Texas 76798 - 1-800-BAYLOR-U God bless, Barb - Barb Alford - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Former Attorney General Janet Reno To Speak At Baylor Sept. 13 http://pr.baylor.edu/feat.fcgi?2001.04.26.reno THERE IS NO STATUTE OF LIMITATION on the CRIME OF GENOCIDE. http://pr.baylor.edu/ Reno to Speak in Waco NewsMax.com Wires Saturday, April 28, 2001 WACO, Texas (UPI) - Former Attorney General Janet Reno will speak this fall at Baylor University, only a few miles from the scene of the deadly Branch Davidian siege that confronted her in the first weeks of her administration eight years ago. Reno will speak on ethics in public service, as well as share some reflections on the 1993 standoff, during her visit Sept. 13, as part of the President's Forum lecture series. University spokesman Larry Brumley said Reno's representatives initiated the visit, the Waco Tribune-Herald reported Friday. Although it won't be the focus of her presentation, she is going to make some comments about what she learned from the Branch Davidian episode and will more than likely have some pretty candid observations, he said. Given the indelible mark that event left on Waco, there was a feeling that as a university that is rooted in this community, there would be some value in hearing her and having her address face-to-face people in this community who've been left with the aftereffects of that tragedy. Baylor President Robert B. Sloan Jr. talked to local public officials, as well as the Greater Waco Chamber of Commerce, before inviting Reno, the spokesman said. Davidian survivors and their relatives were not contacted in advance about the planned visit, he said. Clive Doyle, a Davidian survivor who lost his daughter in the fire, told the Tribune-Herald that he might attend Reno's speech. He said he did not blame her for what happened. She came into the job after a lot of this had started, for one thing, he said. I think there were other people that knew a whole lot more that kept her in the dark to a certain extent. The siege began Feb. 28, 1993 when Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents attempted to arrest Davidian leader David Koresh at the compound 10 miles east of Waco. The 51-day siege ended April 19 when FBI agents fired tear gas into the building and a fire broke out. Koresh and more than 80 of his followers died in the blaze. Reno approved the use of tear gas on the Davidians in an attempt to force them to surrender peacefully. She later said she would not have approved the plan if she had known it would lead to deaths. A federal judge and special counsel have blamed Koresh for the deadly fire. Copyright 2001 by United Press International. -- Janet Reno on CNN 04/19/93 == http://www.apfn.org/wacoinfo/WACO_RENO_04_19_93.WMV Jack Thompson, Esq. Exposes Reno at IBT (Part #1-#4) 1 hr. 56 min. == http://www.apfn.org/wacoinfo/IBT_Thompson_Reno.WMV Wed Apr 11 18:54:00 2001 APPOINTMENT WITH THE APOCALYPSE by Steven Hager and Preston Peet http://www.hightimes.com/Magazine/2001/2001_05/article1.tpl [SNIP] The day before launching Operation Trojan Horse, the ATF reserved rooms in local hotels for over a hundred agents and personnel. They also alerted the national and local media to be ready for a big story that was about to break. A highly inflammatory article attacking Koresh as a child abuser appeared in the Waco Tribune-Herald the morning of the raid. It wasn't difficult to see a massive operation was underway, aimed at Mount Carmel. [SHOWTIME] [SNIP] http://www.hightimes.com/Magazine/2001/2001_05/article1.tpl Cato Blasts Danforth Waco Report Tuesday, 10 April 2001 17:05 (ET) http://www.vny.com/cf/News/upidetail.cfm?QID=175900 Questions for Congress (Reno) About Waco [snip] 31. Did the FBI misinform Attorney General Reno about the progress of negotiations? On April 15th FBI chief negotiator Byron Sage told Web- ster Hubbell and others that further negotiations with the subjects in the compound would be fruitless. It is unknown if Sage read Koresh's April 14th letter to Hubbell. There is evidence that the FBI never gave Reno a copy of this letter in her briefing report, though it admits showing her his defiant April 9th letter. Neither Reno nor former FBI
[CTRL] How to deal with unwanted emails was Re: Whites a minority
-Caveat Lector- Your email program should have a Block Address feature, either as a single click on the main screen like Yahoo, or you can set up filters in your preferences so that if you don't like to read someone's posts, you don't even have to get them. Yahoo mail allows up to 100 addresses to be blocked. The mail never reachers your inbox, and the sender is none the wiser. Tenorlove --- Jenny Decker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hi Steve, As someone who believed--when signing up for the CTRL list--that it __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Happy Birthday CTRL
-Caveat Lector- Congratulations on four years, and a job very well done, Kris! Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Cooper, William C aka William Milton Cooper, etc.
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Aleisha Saba [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 11:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Cooper, William C aka William Milton Cooper, etc. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Glenn Campbell, Las Vegas) Glenn Campbell's site is suspect as anything other than a database on UFO researchers and experiencers. If he's not a disinformation agent then he did a great job of impersonating one. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Behold a Dead Horse?
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Aleisha Saba [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 11:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Behold a Dead Horse? Dale have you seen this item? This Cooper Milton William and William M and William C appear to be same man. Could be for all I know. If he would be a full ranking naval intelligence officer or USAF he would have been busted or even if retired could still be in trouble Disinformation seems to be his game and he's very good at it. Cooper, Lear, Valerian, Lazar, all the Roswell authors seem to be leading a hot trail away from the truth. Phil Patton's book Dreamland does a good job of real research into military activity in the SW USA and most of what is seen is classified military aircraft. All the scary stories may be cover for genetic experimentation, cloning and organ/limb transplants. In addition to holographic projection technology (one entire book, Searchers by Ron Felber, was devoted to an episode in which a CA couple were terrorized in their camper by thousands of greys flying through the sky and landing in the Mojave Desert to peer in their window). It worked - they were scared, but if they had gone outside and tried to grab one I bet their hands would have passed right through those little buggers. As long as people believe their eyes, they've got us by the cerebral cortex. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: CNN / third empire
This is about murder in Israel and its reportage by CNN(controlled by a mr levin ). The quote at the end is interesting. John Naomi Ragen - http://www.NaomiRagen.com http://www.NaomiRagen.com Dear Friends, At around ten p.m. last night, twenty-year old Shlomo Elyakim of Netanya was driving home with his seventeen year- old girlfriend, and three other family members: two girls and an eighty-two year old grandmother. They'd spent the day on a picnic in the blooming Galilee. The road they were on was Wadi Ara, a main highway that connects Israel's coast with its North, the Sea of Galilee, Safad. It is a heavily traveled road, no where near anyone's concept of a Green Line (which today gives any young man with a gun the right to execute civilians, a right particular to our part of the world. In any other part of the world it's murder). A young man flagged down the car and asked directions to the nearby Israeli Arab village of Uhm El Fahum. When they provided him with helpful directions,(and he thereby ascertained they were indeed Israeli Jews), another car pulled up alongside, took out automatic weapons and sprayed the car with bullets. Mr. Elyakim was murdered. The women injured, one of them badly. How did CNN report this horrendous crime against humanity, this violation of the Geneva Convention on human rights? This shooting in cold blood, in the back, of a grandmother and teenage girls, and a young, unarmed boy? An Israeli soldier was killed. That's all you will hear about it from CNN. Mr. Elyakim was not in uniform. He was not killed because he was a soldier. He was not in combat. All of this is the distortion we get from CNN's wording of this incident. Like Goebbel's, CNN's reporters and editors are master craftsmen of this kind of propaganda. Ben Wedeman, another CNN reporter, interviewed Arabs waiting to cross into Israel from army checkpoints. He listened and showed the terrible plight of these people who have to wait four hours to get into a country in which they are often the perpetrators of cold-blooded murder. And when one of them said, what else can you expect us to do, but become terrorists after being treated this way? Mr. Wedeman, his kind heart bleeding, nodded in goodness and compassion. It takes four hours to get into Disneyland, Mr. Wedeman. Are you suggesting disgruntled ticket-buyers bring Uzi submachine guns to express their legitimate outrage at such terrible suffering? And what about the wait of those going from Spain to Gibraltar? And that's part of the European Union! Also hours. Like Goebbels, CNN, the BBC, and Sky News, all have their insidious agenda. None of this, my friends, is an accident. A coincidence. My own theory is that they are busy preparing the world for the next Kristallnacht. They want to be sure all of you out there understand that those militant, horrible Jews have it coming to them, just like their relatives in Berlin. Poisoning wells, destroying the purity of blood linesand torturing the peace-loving Palestinian people, who only want to drive the occupiers from their land (and our land, remember the U.N. vote? But hey, to whom does that matter these days?) Below, I bring you a passage from The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. I found it very instructive. It convinced me we have to keep fighting them, keep exposing them for what they are. P247, Life in the Third Reich I myself was to experience how easily one is taken in by a lying and censored press and radio in a totalitarian state. Though unlike most Germans I had daily access to foreign newspapers, especially those of London, Paris and Zurich and though I listened regularly to the BBC and other foreign broadcasts, my job necessitated the spending of many hours a day combing the German press, checking the German radio, conferring with Nazi officials and going to party meetings. It was surprising and sometimes consternating to find that notwithstanding the opportunities I had to learn the facts and despite one's inherent distrust of what one learned from Nazi sources, a steady diet over the years of falsifications and distortions made a certain impression on one's mind and often misled it. No one...can possibly conceive how difficult it is to escape the dread consequences of a regimes'calculated and incessant propaganda. Sometimes one was tempted to say as much, but on such occasions one was met with such a stare of incredulity, such a shock of silence, as if one had blasphemed the Almighty, that one realized how useless it was even to try to make contact with a mind which had become warped and for whom the facts of life had become what Hitler and Goebbels, with their cynical regard for truth, said they were. The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, William L. Shirer Naomi Ragen -
[CTRL] Arrests made in May Day Protests
-Caveat Lector- Arrests made in May Day protests by Cadonna M. Peton (AP) May Day protesters rushed a police line and threw rocks and bottles at officers when the group refused to disperse, Long Beach authorites said. Police in roit gear fired rubber bullets and bean bags at the demonstrator after they charged the police line, police spokeswoman Nancy Tahing said. Some of the thrown bottles were filled with feces and urine, she said. There were about 250 protesters from a variety of groups, Tahing said. The largest contingent was from a group called the Southern California Anarchist Alliance. The protesters carried banners and signs and shouted slogans. They're observing May Day. I guess this is their way to observe it. Tahing said. The protest was among many around the globe marking the international worker day. Another group of May Day marchers gathered west of downtown Los Angeles in Koreatown shortly before 6pm to call for better treatment of immigrants and a new immigration legalization program. They planned a rally in MacArthur Park. The Long Beach protest disrupted traffic near the shoreline convention center. It was mass mayhem. They were being stupid. said Victor Reed, 23, who watched the protest. As far as what they're protesting I don't know. They came to Long Beach to protest something and cause mayhem. said Fire Capt. Mike Garcia. The protesters did not have a permit, and were warned they would be arrested if they did not disperse, Tahing said. She said they could face a variety of charges. Most likely unlawful assembly, which is a misdemeanor. The protesters gathered in the promenade area about 3pm, and police began making arrests around 4:30pm, tahing said. Paramedics were on hand but there were no immediate reports of injuries. Many of the demonstrators were surrounded outside the Breakers retirement home. My residents are safe, said Jacie Tallon, executive director of the home. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Happy Birthday CTRL
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/2/01 7:48:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kris, thanks for putting up with a wide variety of personalities coming from a wide variety of spaces and places. We appreciate it and you. thanks, kind one, its my . . . pleasure ;-) Onwards to the utmost of futures. MHO Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Happy Birthday CTRL
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/2/01 7:48:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: wide variety of personalities coming from a wide variety of spaces and places. One and all, It's gonna take us all and the table is large and as long as ya bring something, even enemies, who knows with enough repast diners may become friends and understanding of one another. Mostly the infighting is the dialectic working itself out (old habits die hard). The level of professional produced BS is most definitely on the rise ( Remember, when ya used to wonder how the Chinese or Russians used to watch their news with straight faces. Tis Sheep -shearing time in the ole USA) Got much to do. Peace Om k - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Whites a minority in half America's biggest cities
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/1/01 10:23:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, we can hit delete--but why should any of us have to stay on alert to delete more than two thirds of the list's messages because they are A.S.'s mindless, hate-soaked filth??? Why don't the list's moderators get rid of this person? Jenny Decker A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Behold There is a Dead Horse..
-Caveat Lector- MAJESTIC 12-THE ULTIMATE SECRET In December 1984, via the mail, in a plain brown envelope, to private UFO investigator Bill Moore and his film producer friend, and associate, Mr. Jaime Shandera. Mr. Bill Moore is a well known private UFO investigator, and is co-author, with Charles Berlitz, of the book The Roswell Incident. Unknown to the public is the fact that Bill Moore was recruited as an agent of the CIA. Maybe it is generally unknown, but some of us had it figured out years ago. The following post drew some nervous denial from Friedman on various mailing lists, but he didn't convince me. In the acknowledgments section of The Roswell Incident are several people I met in Herman, MN (home of the world's most famous bachelors a few years ago). Some are school administrators, fellow teachers, coaches and some are farmers. Regular yokels, if you will. If anyone has any recent information on Moore I would like to see it. From Feb. 1998: To: RISKERS/NUFOIA Mailing List Subject: The Front: William L. Moore From: UFO Sky Searchers International From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dale Stonehouse) From: SearchNet's IUFO Mailing List In the 1976 movie The Front, Woody Allen played a dimwit hired to put his name on scripts authored by blacklisted writers in the 1950s. Is Bill Moore also a front for unnamed writers in his published books The Roswell Incident and The Philadelphia Experiment, both possibly works of disinformation? Both were allegedly coauthored by Charles Berlitz, but it is accepted that he agreed to have his name ascribed to get publishers to take the books. Consider that Moore was teaching drama and French at Herman High School in Herman, MN (pop. 600) in the 1970s after leaving military service, when he met Stanton Friedman at a lecture at the University of Minnesota-Morris, 14 miles away. Herman is about as rural as America gets. I know, having spent much time there. My ex-wife is a 1977 graduate of Herman High School and in her school yearbooks there is Moore, just the average teacher. Soon after meeting Friedman Moore became the author of The Roswell Incident, even though Friedman was much more qualified to write such a book, having done the lion's share of research on Roswell. Yes, Moore did additional research and his books are entertaining, but when Moore announced at a UFO conference in 1989 at Las Vegas that he had helped intelligence agents with the Paul Bennewitz problem, feeding Bennewitz false information, he was dismissed by much of the UFO community. Even more puzzling is this: Moore had two books published in a two-year period, and in the 18 years since then, has had no other books published. As a military veteran myself, I know how recruits are approached early in their career if they are thought to have potential for use by intelligence agencies. And once an asset, you are always potentially available for use by the agencies, even as a civilian. Is this the real story behind Moore and his books? Friedman knows the answer to that question, as he probably recruited Moore for just such a purpose. Perhaps Moore's 1989 revelation in Las Vegas was his way of ending his association with the agencies, perhaps out of disgust for what he had been asked to do. Whether any of this is accurate or not, the publication of the book The Roswell Incident has kept researchers running around in circles for almost 20 years trying to confirm its validity. As disinformation it is probably the best ever produced. Posted by: Dale Stonehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Behold a Dead Horse?
-Caveat Lector- Yes but Dale who has more fun than Mothershiphave lots of good old books, even got the Unicorn re story of Ira Einhorn who managed to make connections with people associated with Red Stone - and the story of Billy Milligan who lived in our small town - had 5 personalities but he was also involved in murder and someone was going to make fast buck on this guy. But I wondered why a man in ultra top secret, Joint Chief of Staff stuff, Thor Chief, Doolittles Staff at one time, CO of Clark field, Vice Commaner Far East AirTechnical command - worked with Vandenberg = why would he warn me about anyone attached to these people? With a long line of murders to follow way back in 1964 a rocket scientist about to go to Wright Field was murdered - his desk had been stuffed with pornography and then a blonde with a flower (yellow flower) was found murdered in an area where peacocks roamed loose.thought of the Peacock Society into which the Shah of Iran had been initiated - now this Ira Einhorn they alled the Unicorn - got involved with the Shah - this creep who murdered his girlfield and then somehow he hooked up with Tom Beardon of Red Stone Arsenal..so this is why my brother in law turned mad bull when I mentioned weather control, etc.for he believed no place to wander into secret world of sabotuers, murderers, spies, wht nots. UFO's make good front; however, I was told just recently that I was right aboutone thing - when my friend a pilot flew to Georgia and Alabama to load up munitions for Viet Nam during this war, he got to base and Viet Kong waiting for them - had infiltrated outside base during the night for they knew their arrival time. How could this happen? Well sudden reports of UFO's over Georgia and Alabama - this was tip off the planes had left the field and were on the way.so UFO's - this one I saw the other day had to be Chinese and it is a joke - if they bought this stuff, Clinton got the best of them for they can send these UFO's right back to Chinese, turn them around and back to sender unopened, with love. So my relative worked with von Braun and was in his stuff from the start - everybody smiled when talk of UFO's would come upalways liked that oldl poem which I write once more: I shot an arrow in the air; It dropped to earth, I know not where. Of the 20 people to see it go; Al reported, a UFO. Anyway Gordon Novel made that bunch on Mothership remove his name for they wanted a picture of him. But surely, he is still so handsome his face did not belong of UFO Mothershp with little gray and green men. So Cooper now goes after NWO.now there is a bunch of UFO's - got get them Coop. Saba My old friend was original Ghost Buster with Hans Holzer - been to Amityville? She was real spook..tracked drug shps like hound from hell. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Whites a minority in half America's biggest cities
-Caveat Lector- The reason is there are few moderators, and I believe in light moderation. And Yes, I could kick saba off, I suspect she would be back under somesort of other name and then that brings about a chorus of newbies be attacked as being Saba in disguise. And yes I do not agree with Saba, nor do I even read many of her posts, excusa, And her and others, it seems to be generally a known crowd, bicker about minutae and BS. Sometimes there is legit, sometimes not. Part of conspiracy research is the interplay of these various memes and the interactions that they create. Part of this Lists excercise is also looking at the flow of concoiusness of various thought patterns withinn the community. Reading the 'psysets.' Saba does present and bring some of those around. The beset REDMEDY for the BS is for ya'll to post the interesting essays, articles, and news that keep helping us to understand how the world really works. But Conspiracy Theory is messy, and bulky and the ya sometimes need some BS to be able to discern the non-BS. Om K In a message dated 5/1/01 10:23:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Steve, As someone who believed--when signing up for the CTRL list--that it would provide information, not random hate smears, I agree with you. Yes, we can hit delete--but why should any of us have to stay on alert to delete more than two thirds of the list's messages because they are A.S.'s mindless, hate-soaked filth??? Why don't the list's moderators get rid of this person? Jenny Decker A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Whites a minority in half America's biggest citi es
-Caveat Lector- mindless, hate-soaked filth??? Why don't the list's moderators get rid of this person? Jenny Decker Unfamiliar or unknown new information that provokes fear is often mistaken for hate. My own mother called me the anti-christ a few years back when I talked about some things I read that conflicted with her religious views. I hope what most of us here hate is the hiding of truth. Exposing the truth can be painful and those who don't want to hear it may be better served by watching Friends or all the other stuff that helps avoid truth. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] White Race to be wiped out by immigration? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- http://www.townhall.com/columnists/paulcraigroberts/pcr20001207.shtml townhall.com Paul Craig Roberts December 7, 2000 For whom the bells toll There won't always be an England or a United States. Both are already fading, not from military conquest but from their own immigration policy. Demographers have calculated that by the end of this century the English people will be a minority in their homeland. The English are not having enough children to reproduce themselves. In contrast, the people of color who have flooded into England have a high fertility rate. Non-whites will comprise a majority of the population of London in just nine years. It is amazing how fast it is happening. Half a century ago, there were only a few tens of thousands of non-whites in the entirety of Great Britain. In another half century, there will be the beginnings of a black government. What will be the fate of the white minority after decades of being demonized as white racists by their own kind at Oxford, Cambridge and the University of London? The English may be finished as a people, but they still have twice as long as American whites. Demographers predict that whites will comprise a minority of the U.S. population by mid-century. It has already happened in California and in many cities. Like the English, American whites are failing to reproduce. More than 42 percent of American women of childbearing age are childless. The figure is rising as gender quotas, and the breakdown of marriage and family pull more white women onto career paths that don't lead to children. Examining the situation, the London Observer said that that this is the first time in history that a major indigenous population has voluntarily become a minority, rather than through war, famine or disease. It is amazing that the two most important and powerful countries of the past two centuries have legislated their own path to extinction. But it is astounding that it is occurring in the same two countries where intellectuals prattle on endlessly about the need for diversity. There are many more non-white countries than white ones; yet, it is the white ones that are slated to disappear. What's wrong with having an England? What a colorful and unique place! What character and genius! The cradle of the rule of law and representative democracy! The font of the scientific and technological revolutions! It is absurd to think these accomplishments are happenstance unrelated to Englishness. Do we really need yet another black country, another India, or a mixture of the two? Why can't we keep England English for diversity's sake? And the United States. What other country has such a strong sense of right and wrong, and such determination to see justice done all over the world? Who but the United States sends its treasure, not as tribute to the powerful but as gifts to the poor? What other country sends its troops to stop genocides and wars in foreign lands? Central and South America are full of Hispanic populations. Do we really need another one here? What is it that compels the United States and England to destroy themselves with an immigration policy designed to replace the indigenous population with different racial stock? In these two lands, agitators fight to preserve every wetlands weed, sand fly and snail darter. What's wrong with preserving England and America? People had better give this some thought, because the decision won't be theirs to make for much longer. The 21st century may bring the extinction of white populations. Confined to a small area of the world, white populations are everywhere in decline. Italy, once a fecund Catholic nation where a large family was everything, has such a low birth rate that its population is declining. Everywhere else in Europe birth rates have fallen below replacement rates. European governments open the borders to Third World immigrants in order to keep a tax base for the expensive social welfare systems that have crowded children out of the household budgets of the indigenous population. Canada, also, is well on her way to becoming a Third World country. Russia, too, has a declining population reeling from the environmental and economic destruction after 75 years of communist rule. Pressed on her eastern and southern borders by Asiatic populations, Russia is slowly retreating from her empire. In the far Pacific, two island nations, New Zealand and Australia, hang on to an exported British culture. Perhaps they will be preserved, like the Galapagos Islands, as a place where creatures reside who have disappeared elsewhere. ©2000 Creators Syndicate, Inc. http://www.townhall.com/columnists/paulcraigroberts/pcr20001207.shtml +++ http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/immigrat/kennf.htm December 1994 Must It Be the Rest Against the West? Absent major changes in North-South relations, the wretched should inherit the earth by
[CTRL] Kin of Shooting Victim Sue Day-Care (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- http://news.findlaw.com/ap/o/1110/5-1-2001/20010501092727830.html Kin of Shooting Victim Sue Day-Care LOS ANGELES (AP) _ The parents of a boy who was shot by a white supremacist at a Jewish day-care center have filed a lawsuit claiming the center's owners failed to provide the necessary security to prevent hate crime attacks. In a lawsuit filed Monday, Eleanor and Charles Kadish claim the center had a responsibility to protect their child but was ultimately targeted for its lack of security. Buford O. Furrow on Aug. 10, 1999, fired more than 70 bullets into the center. Benjamin Kadish, 5, was one of three boys injured along with a teen-age girl and an older woman. Furrow then shot dead a Filipino-American letter carrier. He pleaded guilty in March and is serving two life sentences. The lawsuit was filed in Los Angeles Superior Court against the North Valley Jewish Community Center. ``Clearly, the Jewish Community Centers of Greater Los Angeles are not in any way responsible for the crimes that Mr. Furrow did commit or the injuries he caused,'' said spokeswoman Nina Lieberman-Giladi. The couple are seeking an unspecified amount in damages. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] William L. Moore
-Caveat Lector- So had trouble pulling this up Dale but a bit on this Mooresounds like infiltratian into our space program and the Chinese did not get much of a deal if they paid Clinton for we just set them back 50 years? Bet they use gunpowder to send them up ??? Saba THE UFO GUIDE DISCLAIMER : This Guide is provided as is and the author gives no guarantee that the information contained in it is accurate, precise, truthful or any other words meaning correct. --A-- ADAMSKI, GEORGE A UFO hoaxer, the most famous hoax is the Adamski photographs of UFOs that were later revealed to be fake. He also claimed to have met Venusians in 1952 and started spreading the word of the Cosmic Philosophy. AFOSI US Air Force Office of Special Investigations. ANOMALY (AN RATING) See VALLEE CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM. APRO The US based Aerial Phenomenon Research Organisation. AREA 51 The Groom Dry Lake area of the Nellis Air Force Range and Nuclear Test Site in the Nevada desert, about 80 miles NNW of Las Vegas. It is here that the US government is test-flying highly secret BLACK PROJECT aircraft, including UFOs, for a number of years. ARNOLD, KENNETH On 24th June 1947, pilot Kenneth Arnold observed nine boomerang-shaped craft flying over the Cascade Mountains in Washington - the sighting which gave FLYING SAUCERS their name. The second sighting he had received less coverage. On 29th July 1947 he had a second sighting. The second sighting hehad received less coverage. --B-- BENNEWITZ, PAUL In the late 1970's, an Alberquerque businessman named Paul Bennewitz started to monitor unusual electromagnetic pulses from what he thought were UFOs flying above the nearby Manzano Nuclear Weapons Storage Facility near Kirtland Air Force Base. He came to the conclusion that these pulses _may_ be controlling implanted abductees, so he started attempting to decode the pulses, and thought he was on the right path. He contacted APRO about his theory, but they wouldn't believe him, so he contacted AFOSI in October 1980, where he was put in touch with RICHARD DOTY. He filled out a few forms and sent in some tape he had filmed of some UFOs over the Nuclear Storage Facility and Doty started to feed Bennewitz DISINFORMATION about the US government's involvement with the UFO phenomenon, including tales of US/alien pacts, alien bases in various places around the world, and of experiments that the aliens carried out with humans to create hybrids and androids. Bennewitz believed all of it. Doty then got WILLIAM MOORE to pass on more disinformation on to him, and Bennewitz got more and more paranoid and eventually went insane. Bennewitz told JOHN LEAR what he had heard and Lear took this into account when he wrote his DARK SIDE HYPOTHESIS. BLACK PROJECTS Government projects that are considered as technological secrets. About $US50bn are invested in US black projects a year. BUFORA The British UFO Research Organisation is the largest UFO group in Great Britain and has been going since 1964. As well as doing research into the UFO phenomena, it publishes the bi-monthly journal UFO TIMES. --C-- CASH/LANDRUM CASE In December 1980, Betty Cash, Vickie Landrum and her grandson Colby Landrum, were driving along a road in Huffman, Texas when they saw a bright light in the sky. After driving a little more along the road, they came across a large diamond shaped UFO hovering over the road belching fire out of the bottom. Since the flames were blocking the road, they had to stop the car about 65 yards away from the craft and the three of them got out. Vickie and Colby stayed by the car, whereas Betty went on to get a closer look. She spent a long time gazing at it and her skin began to burn because of the heat from the flames. She returned to the car when the object began to rise and a large number of unmarked black helicopters chased after the UFO. When they got home, they started suffering from sunburn, diarrhoea and vomiting. It has been claimed that the craft was a US attempt at making a UFO since it was spewing out flames at the bottom and was joined by many helicopters later on (See PROJECT SNOWBIRD). CATTLE MUTILATIONS A world-wide problem, cattle are killed and the body is left on the farm in various conditions. On studying the body, it has been found that the body has been _totally_ drained of blood and that there has been no trace of blood found anywhere on the ground around the body. Various incisions would also be found on the body that were so clear cut that they would have had to have been done with some sort of laser technology that we didn't have when the mutilations started (before 1970). Bones were also clearly cut with no bone fragments around the cut. The bodies would be missing various parts which had also shown to have been removed with accurate precision. UFOs have been linked with these mutilations since they have been sighted at the same time in the same area where the mutilated bodies have been found. CLOSE ENCOUNTERS (CE RATING)
Re: [CTRL] White Race to be wiped out by immigration? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- townhall.com Paul Craig Roberts December 7, 2000 For whom the bells toll There won't always be an England or a United States. Both are already fading, not from military conquest but from their own immigration policy. Demographers have calculated that by the end of this century the English people will be a minority in their homeland. As someone who thinks Darwin makes a lot of sense it seems that this development is a good thing. After all if the white race is fostering its own disappearance then it obviously is an inferior race that should disappear. flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How to deal with unwanted emails was Re: Whites a minority
-Caveat Lector- Your email program should have a Block Address feature, either as a single click on the main screen like Yahoo, or you can set up filters in your preferences so that if you don't like to read someone's posts, you don't even have to get them. Yahoo mail allows up to 100 addresses to be blocked. The mail never reachers your inbox, and the sender is none the wiser. That doesn't work for me because the sender of all these things is CTRL and not the individual poster. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] White Race to be wiped out by immigration? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Well flw I believe you have mistaken Herbert Spencer's concept of Social Darwinism with Darwin himself. Darwin never spoke of inferior and/or superior species but of those that are the most capable of adapting to changing environmental conditions. Spencer is the man who coined the phrase survival of the fittest and began to apply the theory of evolution to society. Also I'm not convinced that this the white race is doomed scenario is apt in the longterm what with the rampant spread of AIDS, TB, typhoid, cholera, inter alia, in the non-white population. Of course in keeping with your Spencerian views we could say that the reason is is that these people are simply too stupid to live. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] White Race to be wiped out by immigration? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- What's wrong with having an England? Ask their victims. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How to deal with unwanted emails was Re: Whites a minority
-Caveat Lector- Mine does work... I've got several CTRL posters blocked, who shall remain nameless. The Sender line shows the individual, not CTRL, as the sender. Tenorlove --- Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That doesn't work for me because the sender of all these things is CTRL and not the individual poster. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] US Navy Powder Contrail Generator Patent
-Caveat Lector- http://www.delphion.com/details?pn=US03899144__s_all=1 ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The search for free energy reviewed
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded message follows --- Date sent: Wed, 02 May 2001 17:09:37 +0200 From: JJ Mercieca [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[cydonia] The search for free energy reviewed To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] All: A positive review in New Scientist of a book that treats all free energy and which has two chapters devoted to a highly positive treatment of cold fusion. BlackLight Power is covered too. By the way, the MIT PFC anti-cold fusion fudged data story and the infamous shifted curve is in there for all to see. Dr. Eugene F. Mallove Infinite Energy Magazine www.infinite-energy.com *** NEW SCIENTIST REVIEW - 28/4/2001 'Everything Has a Price' 'The Search for Free Energy: A Scientific Tale of Jealousy, Genius and Electricity' by Keith Tutt with a foreword by Sir Arthur C. Clarke, Simon and Schuster, £18.99, ISBN 0684866609 The Croatian-American inventor Nikola Tesla was seriously weird. He soothed his head with x-rays, attempted communication with Mars and proposed broadcasting power by wireless. But however strange his approach, Telsa was also the originator of the rotating magnetic field that led to the alternating current (AC) electric motor and three-phase AC - key technologies that shaped traditional electricity systems throughout the 20th century. Compared to Tesla, most of the dramatic personae in Keith Tutt's account of The Search for Free Energy seem reassuringly normal. But to those who accept the conventions of modern physics their ideas are at least as weird as Telsa's. Anyone even moderately acquainted with the first and second laws of thermodynamics or classical quantum theory is likely to back away hastily when offered devices that purport to yield more energy than they need to operate. But the inventors of the Radiant Energy Device, the N-machine, the Thesta-Distatica, cold fusion and its variants, hydrinos, and zero-point energy could hardly ask for a better intercessor than Tutt. His vivid, level-headed and engrossing commentary is as entertaining as it is thought-provoking. Liberalisation and technical innovation are already raising fundamental questions about the future of electricity. If the search that Tutt chronicles should happen to bear fruit, the future will be stranger still. - End Forwarded Message - --- End of forwarded message --- ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] About Mr. Springmeier
-Caveat Lector- Hello CTRL !!! I ve been reading some articles by Fritz Springmeier about MPD and Mind Control. I'm from Argentina (excuse me, my English is not the best, make an effort .) and I don t know him. I've read he has a radio programme and he wrote a couple of books related to this theme (with a woman called Cisco Wheeler). Are they a good source or is he a sensationalist and liar writer? Can you give me a list of good and trustful Conspiracy Theorists and titles ? Excuse me, but I can t find too much books in my conutry about this and it s expensive to order them from USA. I don t want to buy expensive-trash Thank you, Fer A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] With ? ( justice for all?)
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis12.html }}Begin 'The USS Liberty': America's Most Shameful Secret by Eric S. Margolis NEW YORK On the fourth day of the 1967 Arab Israeli War, the intelligence ship 'USS Liberty' was steaming slowly in international waters, 14 miles off the Sinai Peninsula. Israeli armored forces were racing deep into Sinai in hot pursuit of the retreating Egyptian army. 'Liberty,' a World War II freighter, had been converted into an intelligence vessel by the top-secret US National Security Agency, and packed with the latest signals and electronic interception equipment. The ship bristled with antennas and electronic 'ears' including TRSSCOMM, a system that delivered real-time intercepts to Washington by bouncing a stream of microwaves off the moon. 'Liberty' had been rushed to Sinai to monitor communications of the belligerents in the Third Arab Israeli War: Israel and her foes, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan. At 0800 hrs, 8 June, 1967, eight Israeli recon flights flew over 'Liberty,' which was flying a large American flag. At 1400 hrs, waves of low-flying Israeli Mystere and Mirage-III fighter-bombers repeatedly attacked the American vessel with rockets, napalm, and cannon. The air attacks lasted 20 minutes, concentrating on the ship's electronic antennas and dishes. The 'Liberty' was left afire, listing sharply. Eight of her crew lay dead, a hundred seriously wounded, including the captain, Commander William McGonagle. At 1424 hrs, three Israeli torpedo boats attacked, raking the burning 'Liberty' with 20mm and 40mm shells. At 1431hrs an Israeli torpedo hit the 'Liberty' midship, precisely where the signals intelligence systems were located. Twenty-five more Americans died. Israeli gunboats circled the wounded 'Liberty,' firing at crewmen trying to fight the fires. At 1515, the crew were ordered to abandon ship. The Israeli warships closed and poured machine gun fire into the crowded life rafts, sinking two. As American sailors were being massacred in cold blood, a rescue mission by US Sixth Fleet carrier aircraft was mysteriously aborted on orders from the White House. An hour after the attack, Israeli warships and planes returned. Commander McGonagle gave the order. 'prepare to repel borders.' But the Israelis, probably fearful of intervention by the US Sixth Fleet, departed. 'Liberty' was left shattered but still defiant, her flag flying. The Israeli attacks killed 34 US seamen and wounded 171 out of a crew of 297, the worst loss of American naval personnel from hostile action since World War II. Less than an hour after the attack, Israel told Washington its forces had committed a 'tragic error.' Later, Israel claimed it had mistaken 'Liberty' for an ancient Egyptian horse transport. US Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, and Joint Chiefs of Staff head, Admiral Thomas Moorer, insisted the Israeli attack was deliberate and designed to sink 'Liberty.' So did three CIA reports; one asserted Israel's Defense Minister, Gen. Moshe Dayan, had personally ordered the attack. In contrast to American outrage over North Korea's assault on the intelligence ship 'Pueblo,' Iraq's mistaken missile strike on the USS 'Stark,' last fall's bombing of the USS 'Cole' in Aden, and the recent US-China air incident, the savaging of 'Liberty' was quickly hushed up by President Lyndon Johnson and Defense Secretary Robert McNamara. The White House and Congress immediately accepted Israel's explanation and let the matter drop. Israel later paid a token reparation of US $6 million. There were reports two Israeli pilots who had refused to attack 'Liberty' were jailed for 18 years. Surviving 'Liberty' crew members would not be silenced. They kept demanding an open inquiry and tried to tell their story of deliberate attack to the media. Israel's government worked behind the scenes to thwart these efforts, going so far as having American pro-Israel groups accuse 'Liberty's' survivors of being 'anti-Semites' and 'Israel-haters.' Major TV networks cancelled interviews with the crew. A book about the 'Liberty' by crewman James Ennes' was dropped from distribution.
[CTRL] Stick 'em up
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/mcadams2.html Clintons six-month occupation of post-Dayton Bosnia by Nato peacekeepers has now lasted more than five years and cost the US more than $15 billion. What return can we see on our investment? Bank robbery? T'AER }}Begin Nation-Building and Bank Robbery: All in a Days Work for Nato in Bosnia by Daniel McAdams On the campaign trail, candidate Bush had a simple but effective foreign policy message: no more nation-building. Plain Texas-style talk. It was a promise and a style that resonated with the American people, who despite the screeching propaganda of the chatterers have never supported adventures abroad. So why is it that everywhere we were engaged in under that grand wizard of the nation-builders, President Clinton, we remain engaged today? Particularly in places like the Balkans, which candidate Bush and his national security advisor, Condoleezza Rice, specifically singled out for disengagement? Secretary of State Colin Powell, in his first foray last month into the Balkan minefield, not only failed to uphold candidate Bushs promise but actually promised the opposite: that we would remain engaged in the Balkans for the foreseeable future. That in itself would be a bitter pill, of course, but what is worse is the manner in which we remain engaged in the Balkans. For, it was not only the fact that the US was dumping its national treasure into an area with little strategic importance, but rather that this money, used to build democracy in the post-communist world, has actually been engaged in undermining and destroying what little democracy had managed to seep through cracks in the regions bloody post-communist era history. Hard as it may be for some Americans to accept, the truth is that Bosnia is further from being a democracy now than it was under Comrade Titos rule, and the culprits are the very people we are paying enormous amounts of money to build democracy in the Balkans. Nation-building, in fact, is merely a codeword for left-wing social engineering with a little bit of old-fashioned colonialism thrown in for good measure and profit. The Joys of Nation-Building in Bosnia Take Bosnia, for example. Clintons six-month occupation of post-Dayton Bosnia by Nato peacekeepers has now lasted more than five years and cost the US more than $15 billion. What return can we see on our investment? Have we built any democracy? Ask the political parties who have the misfortune of getting elected fairly in the new Bosnian democracy. The Croatian Democratic Union, the Serb Democratic Party, and the Muslim-dominated Party for Democratic Action have campaigned and won election after election in Bosnia only to see results arbitrarily overturned by the dictatorial rule of the UN Office of the High Representative (OHR), which uses Natos Stabilization Force (SFOR) as its army of enforcement. In one election, the OHRs partner organization in Bosnia, the vile Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) certified with a straight face an election in which 104 percent of the population. One can never have too much democracy, perhaps. Dayton itself was Clintonian foreign policy at its most grotesque: the warring parties are squeezed until they sign on the dotted line, the ensuing treaty then suddenly takes on a supernatural power that can only conveniently be properly interpreted by the Office of the High Representative. Remember the Wye accords? Rambouillet? Thus millions of dollars have been spent by the OHR to create and fund multi-ethnic political parties in Bosnia. The election law jointly authored by the OHC and the OSCE disqualifies any political party that does not include at 33 percent women candidates. Millions more are spent to make sure that only these parties have access to the media. Those radio stations and newspapers that are not sufficiently respectful to the spirit of Dayton are simply shut down by the OHR. Regardless of their ownership. Non-governmental organizations (NGOs) have been created and funded by the U.S. government in Bosnia to spew the U.S. party line. Yet the terribly backward voter in Bosnia remains ignorant of what is best for him, and keeps voting for
Re: [CTRL] With ? ( justice for all?)
-Caveat Lector- USS Liberty - Case Not Closednever wasnever will be and then we should not forget the USS Cole... A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Aries II Revisited
http://www.almartinraw.com/column15.html by Al Martin Aries II Revisited: The Deluge of Government Lies Continues The US Government's Ludicrous Statement Index regarding the Aries II Incident once more scales to new heights of ludicrousness. It all started again on Wednesday April 25, when, according to Jane's Defense Weekly, the Department of Defense was put under more pressure by the facts recited in the Al Martin Raw article on the downed plane incident (Aries II Down: www.almartinraw.com/column12.html). Besides Jane's, there was a plethora of other media outlets that "hammered" the Department of Defense's previous assertion that the Aries crew had successfully destroyed the bulk of the technology in question. Interestingly enough The Aries II Down story published on Al Martin Raw was the only story in the world that actually called this incident a "technology transfer" from the very beginning. It is by now reasonable to conclude that the government has actually made a defacto admission, that this incident was in fact a technology transfer from the United States to China. Suddenly the Department of Defense added "axes" to their ludicrous story (as in "the crew tried to destroy the top secret equipment with axes") when in fact there were no axes in the inventory on the aircraft. Then they admitted that there were no axes anywhere. What happened is they got their wires crossed. That was the Department of Defense release. Subsequently when the Navy released the inventory of what was on the plane, people noticed there were no axes. After all, why would you have "axes" on this type of an aircraft? I mean, you're not chopping firewood up there. This is called Bad Lie Coordination, as usual, as it's been all along in this story. Then the Department of Defense admitted that "not as much technology" was destroyed as they previously had said and that they now believe that the Chinese are in possession of certain technology that they didn't think they were in possession of before. Subsequently on April 27, the Department of Defense finally admitted that "no technology was destroyed." In fact, they say that it is reasonable to assume that the Chinese are in possession of the entire Story Classic System -- the key technology they were interested in which is the technology that interprets the data, not necessarily that which collects the data. For a long time, the Chinese have tried to buy the Aries II system surreptitiously and they have not been successful. The Russians don't have anything that's equivalent. In addition, the Aries II has multi-channel capability, which allows it to collect an unusually large amount of data at one time. It's called one source point technology. Now let's take a look at the Government's latest pronouncement. According to the Department of Defense, the Chinese have agreed to have a delegation of DoD representatives come to Hainan Island to inspect the aircraft. However (I love it), no photographs can be taken because it is a "secure Chinese military base." And no media will be allowed, thus allowing the Department of Defense the opportunity to backpedal on their previous statement of Friday, wherein they admitted that they suspected that the Chinese had taken 95% of the technology on the aircraft. The American media will be fed dummied up photographs showing how much of the equipment was supposedly destroyed. Furthermore the Department of Defense has stated that they are negotiating with the Chinese request for monetary reparations to be paid by the United States for the incident. Meanwhile, at the weekly meeting of the Group at Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville Alabama, the generals were in stitches about it. (By the way the group of retired generals and colonels call themselves The MICs, which stands for Military Industrial Complexers. They even have a bowling team called "The Complexers.") The US major general there is very friendly with the Chinese major general from the People's Liberation Army, which runs an arms company surreptitiously out of Hong Kong. The Chinese position was that this was supposed to be a "clean technology transfer" and they're supposed to get everything. What gummed up the works is that not everyone on the aircraft was in the loop. The only people who were in the loop were the five so-called unidentified non-military personnel, which incidentally the Department of Defense still refuses to identify. Conveniently, when they show photographs of the people who have been returned, they only show the Navy personnel. They have still never shown these other civilian personnel. No pictures of them landing or being transported. Nothing. It's very convenient. In fact, some of it -- a little of it -- was evidently really destroyed. So the Chinese are now demanding that US
[CTRL] Private Firms Aid U.S. Covert Work
http://www.sptimes.com/News/042901/Columns/Private_firms_aid_US_.shtml Private firms aid U.S. covert work Critics say private military contractors on anti-drug and other missions are not held accountable. By SUSAN TAYLOR MARTIN © St. Petersburg Times, published April 29, 2001 More than a week after a small plane was shot down over Peru, killing an American missionary and her baby, the tragedy remains rife with questions. Among them: Exactly who was on board the surveillance plane that targeted the civilian flight? Were they employees of DynCorp, a major CIA contractor? Or were they employees of yet another company, with even less accountability to Congress and the American public? Outrage over the deaths has focused new attention on the U.S. government's use of "outsourcing" -- hiring private companies like DynCorp to do a vast array of jobs, including such dangerous, controversial missions as eradicating the South American drug trade. "These private military contractors are not held accountable for their actions," said Rep. Janice Schakowsky, D-Ill. "They may draw the U.S. deep into regional conflicts and civil wars." Last week, Schakowsky filed a bill that would ban the federal government from hiring private companies or individuals to carry out military, law enforcement, armed rescue or related operations in Peru, Colombia and other Andean countries. The bill stems in part from Schakowsky's frustration at being unable to learn much about the U.S. role in the Peruvian incident, including who was on the surveillance plane that initially may have mistaken the missionary flight for a drug-smuggling operation. "She talked with officials at the CIA . . . and they flat out refused to give us any information," said Nadeam Elshami, spokesman for the Chicago-area representative. Roni Bowers, 35, and her baby daughter were killed and the pilot seriously injured when their plane was shot down April 20 by a Peruvian military jet. According to U.S. officials, the jet fired at the missionaries' plane despite warnings from Americans running surveillance in the area. Reports on ABC and CBS originally said the pilot and others on the surveillance plane were employees of DynCorp, a Virginia-based company that is a major player in the war on drugs. DynCorp subsequently issued a terse statement "clarifying" the reports: "DynCorp does not provide surveillance services under this program and was not involved in any manner in the incident that occurred in Peru." However, critics say the statement's phrasing does not rule out the possibility that the crew of the surveillance plane worked for a company under subcontract to DynCorp. "Clinton could have written that statement -- you have to phrase it carefully," said Wayne Madsen of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, a public interest organization in Washington D.C. Rep. C.W. Bill Young, who is often privy to classified information as chairman of the powerful House Appropriations Committee, said none of DynCorp's own employees was on the surveillance flight. But the Largo Republican said "no comment -- I can't discuss that" when asked if the crew included DynCorp subcontractors. Regardless of whom they worked for, there is no evidence the Americans did anything wrong. In fact, as U.S. officials review audio and video tapes of the incident, there is evidence the American crew members did all the could to keep the Peruvian jet from attacking the missionary plane. However, critics of outsourcing say the mystery over who was on the flight underscores the problems in hiring private companies for sensitive jobs. "Even when the CIA or other government agencies are engaged in secret activities, no one in the public can say, "Is our money being wisely spent, is this the kind of project we want to do?' and hold people accountable if they don't follow our requirements," says Kit Gage, director of the National Committee Against Repressive Legislation. "Then, when a lot of activities get outsourced, you've even further attenuated any possibility of public accountability." Gage said she was outraged by reports that the U.S. crew on the surveillance flight did not speak Spanish and had a hard time communicating with a Peruvian officer aboard. "When you have international incidents like this that are severely compromised by the simple fact of them not speaking Spanish, that shows the whole problem of who's contracting whom to do what," Gage said. "Then there's the concern, does the Peruvian government take less seriously these folks because they're mere CIA contractors? It makes accountability and responsibility all the harder -- it just completely breaks down." Although most Americans have never heard of it, DynCorp has parlayed government outsourcing into a $2-billion-a-year business. Founded in 1946, the company has nearly 23,000 employees in all 50 states and 33 countries. It does
[CTRL] Dutch contemplate opening drive-thru drug shops
-Caveat Lector- Dutch contemplate opening drive-thru drug shops The Associated Press VENLO, Netherlands (May 1, 2001 9:10 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - Dutch authorities are looking to open two drive-thru shops next year where drug tourists can legally buy marijuana and hashish. The officials in Venlo say they want to make it easier on Germans who flock to the southern Dutch border town for drugs by opening two coffee shops with drive-thrus selling drugs such as marijuana and hashish. They also want to keep the drug tourists from lingering in the Netherlands, where so-called soft drugs are legally sold in small quantities. Drug tourists draw street dealers selling illicit harder drugs, creating an environment that generally makes ordinary people feel unsafe, said Venlo spokeswoman Tamira Hankman. Hankman couldn't say exactly what the shops will offer, but she said they would not be like Amsterdam cafes where visitors can enjoy a cup of coffee and a joint, but no hard drugs or liquor. The new coffee shops need to be outside the city and they need to be easily accessible, Hankman said. Our city center has been flooded with these tourists and the plan is part of an offensive to make it safer. Officials are working on the final details of the proposal. If the City Council approves the idea, the drive-thru shops are expected to open next year after consultations with German municipal officials, Hankman said. Marijuana and hashish are technically illegal in the Netherlands, but authorities tolerate their use and they are openly sold in small amounts. The distribution of marijuana in bulk and its cultivation are considered serious offenses. ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] With ? ( justice for all?)
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[CTRL] Fwd: Report From Iron Mountain-Hoax?
http://www.parascope.com/articles/1296/iron.htm Report from Iron Mountain Highbrow Hoax Mocks National Security Speak by Jon Elliston Dossier Editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] It was a classic "black propaganda" operation -- a "top secret" document ghostwritten to appear as though it was authored by the enemy -- perpetrated with the skill of a CIA psywar specialist. Yet the grand disinformation effort known as the Report from Iron Mountain was conceived and written not by some veteran covert operative, but by a cabal of crafty leftist intellectuals who sought to turn the logic of the national security state against itself. Though long ago exposed as a hilarious, highbrow parody of think-tank jargon and realpolitik reasoning, the Report continues to be viewed in some quarters as a leaked official document that exposes a secret government scheme to maintain the "war system" indefinitely. The plot to prepare, and then "leak" to the public, an alleged government report examining the costs and benefits of shifting the U.S. economy and political system from its Cold War stance, was hatched in 1966 by Victor Navasky, editor of the political satire rag Monocle, and writer Leonard Lewin. Navasky and his staff at Monocle noticed a New York Times story reporting that the stock market had dipped in response to what was termed a "peace scare." The business of America, it increasingly appeared, was war business. The seed of the scheme that grew to become the Report from Iron Mountain was planted, and Navasky and a handful of co-conspirators set about producing a sophisticated satire on the problems of peace, ostensibly authored by a panel of national security experts secretly convened by the government. Lewin agreed to write the fake study and found a sympathetic publisher in Dial Press, a division of Simon Schuster, whose editor, E.L. Doctorow, agreed to facilitate the hoax by marketing the Report as a non-fiction book. The cover story begins in Lewin's introduction, where he claims he was asked to disseminate the Report by an unnamed member of the Special Study Group (SSG), a panel of 15 experts from diverse disciplines gathered by the government to examine "the possibility and desirability of peace." The SSG, wrote Lewin, was convened in 1963 at a secret New York facility -- "an underground nuclear hideout for hundreds of large American corporations" -- known as Iron Mountain. For two and a half years, Lewin wrote, the SSG held secret meetings at this Strangelovian outpost and other sites around the country, to brainstorm on "the nature of the problems that would confront the United States if and when a condition of 'permanent peace' should arrive, and to draft a program for dealing with this contingency." The anonymous specialists took of dim view of a world without war, concluding that "lasting peace, while not theoretically impossible, is probably unattainable; even if it could be achieved it would almost certainly not be in the best interest of stable society to achieve it." Instead, the Report argued, it is in the "best interest of stable society" to identify and perpetuate the "essential, non-military functions of war." These include the economic stimulus of defense spending and a host of other war-related factors that favor the traditional institutions of social and political control. "The basic authority of a modern state over its people resides in its war powers," the Report says, direly predicting that chaos and disorder would result without the nation-rallying opportunities that armed conflict provides. Absent the national security priorities that empower the military-industrial system, the status quo could expect a major shakeup. Writing as the SSG, Lewin explored all the implications of losing "the important motivational function of war." Should the United States be forced to abandon its "war system," the Report speculated on potential corrective national policies -- "substitutes for the functions of war." The Iron Mountain antidote to peace, should it somehow break out, is to manufacture "alternate enemies" to maintain a siege mentality among Americans, leaving them open to continued social engineering by U.S. elites. The Report posits sinister schemes to mobilize the masses in the absence of war, such as the creation of "an extraterrestrial menace," "massive global environmental pollution," or "an omnipresent, virtually omnipotent international police force." In the event popular passions are not sufficiently inflamed by these new enemies, the Report suggests instituting "a modern, sophisticated form of slavery," or perhaps "socially oriented blood games," organized "in the manner of the Spanish Inquisition and the witch trials of other periods." Navasky later wrote that the major objective of the hoax was to "put the unpopular subject of conversion from a military to a peacetime economy on the national agenda." And while the Report from Iron Mountain certainly served that purpose to some
[CTRL] Pentagon Reviews Contacts With China
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Wednesday May 2 6:46 PM ET Pentagon Reviews Contacts With China By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - The Pentagon (news - web sites) said Wednesday that future contacts with the Chinese military are under review, but it withdrew a directive from Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld to suspend all contacts. Rear Adm. Craig Quigley, speaking for Rumsfeld, told reporters that the Rumsfeld aide who wrote the memo had ``misinterpreted the secretary's intentions'' by declaring a suspension of military-to-military relations. ``His actual intention is for all elements of the military-to-military program to be reviewed and approved on a case by case basis by the Department of Defense (news - web sites),'' Quigley said several hours after the memo was leaked to reporters. Quigley declined to say who wrote the memo. He said Rumsfeld had not seen it before it was sent to the military service secretaries, the office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and senior civilian officials in the Pentagon. The memo said Rumsfeld was directing ``the suspension of all Department of Defense programs, contacts and activities with the People's Republic of China until further notice.'' Several officials told reporters that the order took effect Monday, the day it was distributed inside the Pentagon. Later, Quigley said that a corrected version would be sent to make clear that military-to-military ties were not suspended. Monday's memo was quite detailed. It said Rumsfeld had directed that defense attaches abroad be permitted to attend social functions, as part of their usual activities, in which Chinese officials may be present. But there were to be no Pentagon contacts with Chinese diplomatic representatives in Washington, it said. The confusion over the future of U.S.-Chinese military relations became public on the day that a team of U.S. civilian defense contractors arrived in China to assess what would be required to return the Navy surveillance plane that made an emergency landing at a military airfield on Hainan island on April 1 after colliding with a Chinese fighter jet. The Lockheed Martin technicians spent about four hours aboard the Navy plane on Wednesday to begin their assessment. They were to return to the plane for a final day of work on Thursday. In a brief appearance before reporters earlier Wednesday before the internal memo leaked to the news media, Rumsfeld made no mention of his intentions regarding military-to-military contacts with China. He said it wasn't clear whether the Navy spy plane would be flown off the island or, alternatively, be disassembled and brought by ship or air. ``There's an assessment team on the ground at the present time,'' he said. ``We've received some reports back, but there's nothing conclusive on that point.'' Quigley said there were no military-to-military contacts with China scheduled for May, and the Pentagon had said previously it was going to reconsider how to proceed with contacts beyond this month. U.S.-Chinese military relations have traveled a rocky road. The Pentagon broke off ties after the Chinese military's deadly 1989 crackdown on the pro-democracy movement in Tiananmen Square, and contacts had just begun to grow again when they were halted in 1996 after China lobbed missiles toward Taiwan. Beijing broke off military ties in early 1999 after U.S. planes bombed the Chinese Embassy in Yugoslavia during NATO (news - web sites)'s campaign against Slobodan Milosevic (news - web sites). The Chinese never accepted the U.S. explanation that it was an accident, and didn't resume defense relations for several months. Just last month, shortly after the collision near Hainan island, Quigley defended the military-to-military program. Despite the diplomatic tensions of the moment, the exchange program is ``still worth pursuing'' because it fosters communication between officers from the two nations and helps each side understand how the other thinks, Quigley said April 9. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said,
[CTRL] U.S. official talks tough on crew detention
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! U.S. official talks tough on crew detention By Ben Barber THE WASHINGTON TIMES A senior American official said yesterday the United States will not forgive or forget China´s holding 24 crew members of a downed surveillance plane for 11 days last month. Top Stories ⢠Bush scraps '72 treaty for a shield ⢠Freeh quits FBI post with 'praise' for Bush ⢠White House agrees on tax cut ⢠President calls 'state of rebellion' in Manila ⢠Pentagon dumps Chinese berets The blunt statement by the new assistant secretary of state for East Asia, James A. Kelly, was made to Congress as a U.S. team arrived in Hainan, China, to inspect the downed plane. We´re not going to conduct business as usual after our servicemen and women were detained for 11 days in China, said Mr. Kelly, who was confirmed earlier yesterday by the Senate. Beijing needs to understand that, he told the Senate Foreign Relations subcommitee on East Asia yesterday. Mr. Kelly delivered the first major speech on China by a Bush administration official since the Hainan incident. The new administration has said it is reviewing past policies toward China and other important issues. While Mr. Kelly, a former Navy officer, held out offers to work with the current leaders and with the next generation of leaders in China, he was offering tough love at best. We will hold China to its bilateral and international commitments, he said. We will use all available policy tools to persuade it to move in more constructive directions. Saying he would be frank about our differences, Mr. Kelly listed them: Taiwan, human rights, freedom of faith, arms sales and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. U.S.-Chinese relations have plunged to a low point over the detention of the U.S. air crew and President Bush´s approval last week of the largest arms sale to Taiwan in a decade. David Shambaugh of George Washington University told the congressional panel that China sees U.S. surveillance flights off its coast -- such as the flight that was involved in an April 1 collision with a Chinese fighter -- as a sign of hostile intent. The Chinese are also concerned about stepped up U.S. arms sales to Taiwan, the suspension of U.S.-China military exchanges, U.S. condemnation of China for human rights abuses, the downgrading of China´s importance while ties to Japan are strengthened and possible opposition to its hosting the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing, Mr. Shambaugh said. The statement delivered yesterday by Mr. Kelly did not duck any of the sensitive issues which have troubled U.S.-China relations. He said we will continue to focus on Tibet and seek an end to religious restrictions against Tibetan Buddhists. He also said we have not been satisfied at China´s failure to grant consular access to an American University researcher held by China for several weeks, an issue raised at yesterday´s panel hearing by Sen. George F. Allen, Virginia Republican. Mr. Kelly said Mr. Bush intends to visit China in the fall when he will attend the meeting of the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation forum in Shanghai, a visit he described as representing the United States´ commitment to China´s economic reforms. Mr. Kelly said that while the United States is running an $80 billion deficit in its trade with China, U.S. firms sold $16 billion worth of goods to the Asian country in 2000, an 18 percent increase over the previous year. China is a kind of friend. Not a kind of enemy. But not an ally, said Mr. Kelly. On Hainan island, technicians from Lockheed Martin, the main contractor for the EP-3E surveillance plane, arrived yesterday at Haikou, the capital, the Pentagon said. They are to travel today to the military airfield where the plane is located, spokesman Navy Lt. Cmdr. Terry Sutherland said in Washington. Mr. Kelly said the United States would not pay reparations to China for the crash of its fighter, which collided with the American EP-3E airplane. However, the United States is willing to pay the costs of moving its own damaged plane onto a barge to ship it back home. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are
[CTRL] Was Chinese ship preparing nuke test?
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Was Chinese ship preparing nuke test? Surveillance of destroyer's activity possibly sparked EP-3 incident -- -- By Jon Dougherty © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com The April 1 incident between a U.S. Navy EP-3 surveillance plane and a pair of aggressive Chinese fighters may have occurred because a Chinese warship was preparing to test a nuclear-capable anti-ship missile, sources have told WorldNetDaily. According to intelligence and military sources, one of a pair of new Russian-built Sovremenny class destroyers China bought in 1999 was preparing to conduct a sea test of a nuclear device, probably one that could be carried on an anti-ship missile, one source, who requested anonymity, said. One of two Chinese Russian-built Sovremenny class destroyers. The report, which was confirmed by other well-placed military sources, said the EP-3 surveillance flight may have been in the area to monitor the test. The presence of the U.S. plane is said to have caused substantial unease among Chinese military officials preparing the test, which may explain the aggressiveness of two Chinese F-8 fighters sent up to shadow the American plane. We were reading their tactical mail, so they decided to bash the postman, one source said. One Chinese fighter clipped the EP-3 in midair while making a high-speed pass. The collision caused enough damage to the Navy plane that it was forced to declare a Mayday and land. The Chinese fighter crashed; Beijing has said its pilot was killed. WND, quoting foreign sources, reported April 4 that the remaining Chinese fighter fired its weapons at the EP-3 following the collision, preventing it from fleeing the area and forcing it to land at China's Hainan Island airbase, where the plane remains, though a U.S. inspection team arrived there yesterday to examine it. The aircraft's 24-member crew was held by Chinese authorities for 11 days. They were released April 12 after the U.S. ambassador to China presented a carefully worded letter to Beijing. The Pentagon has not confirmed that the Navy plane was fired on, but officials have acknowledged that they were aware of those reports. Richard Fisher, a China weapons analyst with The Jamestown Foundation, told WND that the SS-N-22 Sunburn Moskit anti-ship missiles included in the Sovremenny destroyer deal with Russia are capable of carrying nuclear payloads. While not able to comment directly on the report that China may have been testing a nuclear device on or about April 1, Fisher said Russia initially designed the Sunburns to carry nuclear warheads. When they entered service, the Moskit was assumed to be nuclear-armed, or at least some of them were, Fisher said. It is reported that the Moskit was designed to carry a small nuclear warhead. Yakhont anti-ship missile in flight. Fisher said he did not know whether a new Russian-built missile, the Yakhont, which is smaller, was nuclear-capable, but said it was possible it could carry a smaller nuclear warhead. The Yakhont is also a supersonic anti-ship weapon. Russia, which began using it in the mid-1990s, says it is incapable of being destroyed by current shipboard anti-missile defenses, including Aegis systems aboard U.S. warships. Military officials claim it is impervious to guidance jamming and is a fire and forget weapon. Reports have said that China is interested in buying up to four more Sovremenny-class destroyers to augment the existing warships in its fleet and that they may be equipped with the Yakhont. The Sovremennys give the Chinese navy a punch it has been lacking, noted Robert Karniol, Asia-Pacific editor of Jane's Defense Weekly. WND reported April 6 that part of the EP-3's mission could have been to monitor Chinese submarines also in the area. Many of China's most modern submarines operate out of bases on Hainan Island. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of
[CTRL] U.S. Plans Multiple Missile Defenses
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! U.S. Plans Multiple Missile Defenses NewsMax.com Wires Wednesday, May 2, 2001 WASHINGTON (UPI) - President Bush said Tuesday the United States would develop not just the technically troubled ground-based missile intercept system already under way, but also an airborne chemical laser weapon and sea-based missile interceptors. Bush called for a new framework for national defense and said a 30-year-old Anti-ballistic Missile treaty with Moscow should be scrapped. No treaty that prevents us from addressing today's threats, that prohibits us from pursuing promising technology to defend ourselves, our friends and our allies is in our interests or in the interests of world peace, Bush said in a speech before National Defense University. Some say the ABM treaty is already void because it was signed with the now-defunct Soviet Union. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has recommended that U.S. scientists and arms experts explore several approaches to missile defense, including land- and sea-based systems that intercept missiles in flight, Bush said. Bush avoided detailing a specific program, making only vague references to ground- and sea-based interceptors and boost-phase interceptors, which would knock down enemy missiles shortly after they are launched. He said more research must be done before a final plan is drawn up. We have more work to do to determine the final form the defenses might take. We will explore all these options further, he said. Major Expansion However, obliquely, Bush indicated he would expand the system far beyond what the Clinton administration was pursuing - a $37 billion system of 100 ground-based interceptors, probably in Alaska, and series of powerful X-band radars, designed to knock down around 24 incoming nuclear warheads. That system has been plagued by problems. Two out of three attempts to knock down a target in space - each test a $100 million endeavor - ended in failure. Only the first scored a direct hit, and the deck was heavily stacked in the system's failure. The target's location was programmed into the interceptor. The booster rocket for that system has not been tested yet, and the final design of the interceptor has yet to be completed. The earliest that system could be finished is 2005, but it may be delayed more than two years because of technical problems. Bush also referred to the Airborne Laser, a chemical oxygen iodine laser that will be mounted on a converted 747-400. The Air Force plans to build seven ABLs at a cost of $6.3 billion. The first will be ready, if all goes as planned, beginning in 2008. ABL is designed to direct its laser at an enemy theater (mid- or short-range) missile, rupturing its skin and knocking the missile off course so it falls short of its target - presumably in the enemy's home territory. The warhead may not be destroyed by the laser and could detonate. Presuming the chemical laser can be made to work, the ABL system faces two main challenges: atmospheric turbulence, which can diminish the laser's power, and simple countermeasures an enemy can employ. ABL's laser is designed to work in nearly ideal weather circumstances, which occur only half the time, according to the Pentagon's independent test office. The laser is being built to take on 30 different kinds of missiles, each of which will require different amounts of time to effectively irradiate, so ABL will have to accurately discriminate between them. Any of the missiles can employ a simple technique - spinning like a top on ascent - to slow down, if not stop, the laser's effect. The Navy is working on its own version of theater missile defense: four Aegis radar-equipped destroyers with 20 Standard Missile IIIs on board each. Navy Theater Wide, or NTW, is designed for both boost-phase interceptions and interceptions in space. The system is expected to begin production by the end of 2007 and will cost $5.3 billion. The first Standard Missile intercept attempt failed in July 2000. Eight more tests are scheduled by the middle of 2002. The system also faces a number of technical challenges, including whether the Aegis radar, built to identify large targets like aircraft and ballistic missiles, can track relatively small nuclear warheads in space, and whether the interceptor missile's own plume will obscure its infrared sensor in space. Moreover, the Standard Missile III may not be fast enough to hit targets in space, and will require either an upgrade or replacement if it means to offer more than theater defensive capabilities, according to the Pentagon's test office. Bush did not mention the controversial Space-Based Laser program, one of the old components of the Reagan-era Strategic Defense Initiative. Space-Based Laser would use a massive hydrogen chloride laser and would take at least 20 years and as much as $100 billion to develop. As it is now envisioned, each
[CTRL] Remaking the U.S. military
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Remaking the U.S. military Rumsfeld review may be self-created trap -- -- Editor's note: In partnership with Stratfor, the global intelligence company, WorldNetDaily publishes daily updates on international affairs provided by the respected private research and analysis firm. Look for fresh updates each afternoon, Monday through Friday. In addition, WorldNetDaily invites you to consider STRATFOR membership, entitling you to a wealth of international intelligence reports usually available only to top executives, scholars, academic institutions and press agencies. © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com For the past two months, top aides to U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld have been conducting a systematic review of American military strategy and force structure. Last week, as the first official leaks began to emerge, there were few surprises, reports Stratfor, the global intelligence company. Rumsfeld's review reportedly has concluded the United States needs to move away from its initial post-Cold War doctrine that U.S. forces had to be sized and prepared to fight two major regional conflicts simultaneously, such as fighting a renewed conflict with Iraq and repulsing a North Korean attack against South Korea. As compelling and valuable as these reforms may be, however, Rumsfeld and his policy aides may be walking into a self-created trap. The Pentagon leadership is moving to examine -- and likely to instigate major structural change to -- the U.S. military, absent a review of overall U.S. national security strategy that should be the precursor to any changes in the force. This is not to say the Defense Department and armed services aren't overdue for a rooftop-to-basement re-examination of roles, missions, organization and weapons. They most certainly are. For instance, the two-conflict military doctrine -- now a decade old -- created a requirement for the current U.S. military structure that includes both mobile and heavy combat units. Most critics point out that this doctrine required the fewest painful changes, allowing each service to trim its size without major cuts or, worse, asymmetrical sacrifices. As a result, the Army today has a force of 10 divisions, including two stationed overseas (one in Germany and one in South Korea). In the United States, the ground force includes the heavy armored III Corps and its component infantry divisions, as well as the first-responding XVIII Airborne Corps that can call on a mix of light and heavy divisions in response to a crisis overseas. The Air Force has retained a mixture of fighter and bomber units that can deploy quickly to regional conflicts, and the Navy-Marine Corps team has continued a five-decade pattern of six-month deployments to areas of concern by aircraft carrier battle groups and Marine expeditionary units. But the force structure generated from the two-war doctrine has had fundamental problems, particularly in terms of the span of distance from bases in the United States to regions such as southwest Asia or the Far East. Forces either need to be deployed in the area of anticipated conflict or the U.S. regional commander suddenly involved in a conflict must wait for their arrival, which can take months. On the other hand, if the troops are pre-deployed, as they are in Korea, they still may be unavailable should conflict inconveniently occur somewhere else. And for forces based in the continental United States, the time it takes to transport their equipment and logistical support to the theater of operations probably would create a window of opportunity for would-be aggressors. During the Cold War standoff against the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact, the United States and its allies enjoyed a degree of predictability about locations of potential theaters of operation. That meant the United States could pre-deploy troops and material with a degree of reliability. But with the end of the Cold War and collapse of the Soviet Union, the predictability of strategically important areas declined dramatically. This problem became even more acute when the first Bush and Clinton administrations enacted force structure cuts of about 40 percent on the Cold War military, trimming the Army from 18 to 10 divisions, shrinking the Navy from 600 to 325 ships and reducing the Air Force by a similar fraction. Pentagon officials deemed it necessary to hold forces in reserve in the United States for deployment to unexpected areas. The problem with this strategy was obvious: Given the structure of U.S. military units, the time it would take to move troops, equipment and logistical support into a new area of operations could take months, meaning no significant force would be available for operations in a shortened time
Re: [CTRL] Stick 'em up
-Caveat Lector- I agree! All the boys should have been on their way home the day Bush took office! And the fact that Powell is incompetent is not news. On Wed, 2 May 2001 16:03:49 -0500 Taercel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- From http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/mcadams2.html Clintons six-month occupation of post-Dayton Bosnia by Nato peacekeepers has now lasted more than five years and cost the US more than $15 billion. What return can we see on our investment? Bank robbery? T'AER }}Begin Nation-Building and Bank Robbery: All in a Days Work for Nato in Bosnia by Daniel McAdams On the campaign trail, candidate Bush had a simple but effective foreign policy message: no more nation-building. Plain Texas-style talk. It was a promise and a style that resonated with the American people, who despite the screeching propaganda of the chatterers have never supported adventures abroad. So why is it that everywhere we were engaged in under that grand wizard of the nation-builders, President Clinton, we remain engaged today? Particularly in places like the Balkans, which candidate Bush and his national security advisor, Condoleezza Rice, specifically singled out for disengagement? Secretary of State Colin Powell, in his first foray last month into the Balkan minefield, not only failed to uphold candidate Bushs promise but actually promised the opposite: that we would remain engaged in the Balkans for the foreseeable future. That in itself would be a bitter pill, of course, but what is worse is the manner in which we remain engaged in the Balkans. For, it was not only the fact that the US was dumping its national treasure into an area with little strategic importance, but rather that this money, used to build democracy in the post-communist world, has actually been engaged in undermining and destroying what little democracy had managed to seep through cracks in the regions bloody post-communist era history. Hard as it may be for some Americans to accept, the truth is that Bosnia is further from being a democracy now than it was under Comrade Titos rule, and the culprits are the very people we are paying enormous amounts of money to build democracy in the Balkans. Nation-building, in fact, is merely a codeword for left-wing social engineering with a little bit of old-fashioned colonialism thrown in for good measure and profit. The Joys of Nation-Building in Bosnia Take Bosnia, for example. Clintons six-month occupation of post-Dayton Bosnia by Nato peacekeepers has now lasted more than five years and cost the US more than $15 billion. What return can we see on our investment? Have we built any democracy? Ask the political parties who have the misfortune of getting elected fairly in the new Bosnian democracy. The Croatian Democratic Union, the Serb Democratic Party, and the Muslim-dominated Party for Democratic Action have campaigned and won election after election in Bosnia only to see results arbitrarily overturned by the dictatorial rule of the UN Office of the High Representative (OHR), which uses Natos Stabilization Force (SFOR) as its army of enforcement. In one election, the OHRs partner organization in Bosnia, the vile Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) certified with a straight face an election in which 104 percent of the population. One can never have too much democracy, perhaps. Dayton itself was Clintonian foreign policy at its most grotesque: the warring parties are squeezed until they sign on the dotted line, the ensuing treaty then suddenly takes on a supernatural power that can only conveniently be properly interpreted by the Office of the High Representative. Remember the Wye accords? Rambouillet? Thus millions of dollars have been spent by the OHR to create and fund multi-ethnic political parties in Bosnia. The election law jointly authored by the OHC and the OSCE disqualifies any political party that does not include at 33 percent women candidates. Millions more are spent to make sure that only these parties have access to the media. Those radio stations and newspapers that are not sufficiently respectful to the spirit
[CTRL] Mike's List ISSUE 17 APRIL 12, 2001
http://www.mikeslist.com/current.htm CNN Scoops Fox, MSNBC IF YOU SAW LIVE FOOTAGE of the 24 U.S. Navy crewmembers boarding their 737 to Guam in Hainan last night, then you were watching CNN, which was the only network to film the event. I saw the footage, and was struck by how, well, Internet-like the quality was. The video was jerky and grainy, just like low-bandwidth streaming video on the web. It turns out, CNN used a cheap satellite phone to transmit the picture, according to the Washington Post. Normally, news crews drive electronics-laden vans with giant satellite dishes on top. That wasn't possible in Hainan because of location and tight security, and most other networks apparently came to the conclusion that live transmission was out of the question. CNN, however, kludged together a low-tech solution that enabled them to use a standard camera and transmit the feed with a cheap, commercially available satellite phone sold to business people. They powered the whole thing with a car battery. While filming the event, Chinese authorities arrested the CNN crew, and they're still being held. Despite strong protests from CNN, the Chinese military is likely dismantling the satellite phone to learn valuable American broadcasting technology secrets. Mike's List ISSUE 17 APRIL 12, 2001.url
