Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
-Caveat Lector- We must act to ensure [that] the innocence and purity of children we love are not destroyed... Innocence and purity are loaded terms. They imply that to be sexually aware, let alone active, means one is guilty and impure. This is a religious doctrine and has no business being taught in public school. How DARE they use MY tax money to teach THIER religion? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Interview with Vincent Bugliosi
-Caveat Lector- They did it in Calif when the voters said no more gravy for the illegals and it was overturned. They did it in Calif when the voters legalized medical marijuana and it was overturned. Why did Bugliosi not speak up in those instances??? Why did you not speak up in that instance? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
-Caveat Lector- I beg your pardon, Nate! Why are you addressing ME followed by a post from Aleisha? Very interesting that you should do that considering that I have not posted one word on this subject in this entire exchange. Nothing like being accurate, is there? ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Nate Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect? -Caveat Lector- Amelia, you need to seek pshychological help. I believe that you are holed up in a ball in the corner with fear that homosexuals are outside your door waiting to sanitize your clearly missionary lifestyle. You are truly mentally unstable. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aleisha Saba Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 7:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect? -Caveat Lector- So Gay Pride says Eleanor Roosevelt was a Lesbian and produces a disgusting letter to prove it..well she and Janet Reno would have made a lovely pair but Reno preferred under-age young girls. And Lincoln they say, is also one of their treasures - I believe that too, for our family preferred John Wilkes Booth who did his oountry a great service - he avenged the south, but not soon enough. While Booth's great grandfather was Illlumaati and he was alleged Rothschild Agent - well if he was, Rothschild will always be on my list of great men. As for sodomy on TV Steve - men kissing and women kissing with no clothes on - I did not wait around to see this garbage go further and had my HBI and Cinemax removed..aftera 10 oclock now it seems to be pervert time on TV. So in our town when these perverts attempt to, if they dare, pull someo of this crap I am waiting for themand so will a lot of other parents and parents, but I do not think our community will ever sink that far to the bottom of the bilge. Below are two items which clearly show what sick and perverted people we have in our government now. Gay Pride? Will leave them alone, so long as they leave me and mine alone - but they are still trying to get after those little cub scous. Saba The idea that chldren are being exposed to this evil element in our socieity - this sick, twisted evil element pushing sodomy on innocent children. First of Two Items - POLITICS Note to Parents: The following story contains graphic information of a sexual nature. While this material is troublesome to us and will be to others, it is important to realize that the State of Massachusetts deems this information appropriate for teenagers as young 14. Kids Get Graphic Instruction In Homosexual Sex State sponsored conference featured detailed sexual material Massachusetts News A Massachusetts Department of Education employees described the pleasures of homosexual sex to a group of high school students at a state-sponsored workshop on March 25 at Tufts. Fisting [forcing one's entire hand into another person's rectum or vagina] often gets a bad rap[It's] an experience of letting somebody into your body that you want to be that close and intimate with...[and] to put you into an exploratory mode. Last year a mother from the western suburbs joined some other parents and went to the State House to appeal to the Governor's office. She was becoming frantic. Her son at the local high school had been told by his musician friends how cool it was at the school's Gay/Straight Alliance club meetings. She soon found out that the club had watched at least one R-rated video of two boys having a love affair. She discovered some provocative handouts in his room. He became detached, and she suspected that he was experimenting with homosexual relationships. The principal would not look into it, nor would any other officials. It was suggested that maybe she was homophobic. No one from the Governor's office would speak to her or the other parents. A Department of Public Health official finally listened to them but afterwards would not return her calls. Later the Boston homosexual newspaper, Bay Windows, published a blistering article warning that bigoted, homophobic parents were trying to endanger the money for the state's gay school clubs. Each year, Governor Paul Cellucci budgets $1.5 million for his Governor's Commission for Gay and Lesbian Youth. Made up of homosexual activists from across the state since 1992, the Commission has used the safe schools mantra and state money to persuade over 180 schools in Massachusetts to accept the clubs. Parents and others who offer any criticism of the programs are regularly accused of homophobia and endangering students' safety. The Governor, who gets much support from the gay community, shields the GSA programs from scrutiny. The Commission does much of its work directly through the Massachusetts Department of Education and other state agencies. The Commission also works closely with a
[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
-Caveat Lector- I will expect your ON LIST apology for this, Nate. I have NOT posted ONE WORD in this thread. I have sent a much more polite response to the list than you deserve for this. Why do you use my name attached to a post from Aleisha? Nothing like trying to smear everybody you do not like with the same brush, is there? Nothing like the old false accusation and putting words into the mouths of others and then vilifying them for those very words. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Nate Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect? -Caveat Lector- Amelia, you need to seek pshychological help. I believe that you are holed up in a ball in the corner with fear that homosexuals are outside your door waiting to sanitize your clearly missionary lifestyle. You are truly mentally unstable. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aleisha Saba Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 7:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect? -Caveat Lector- So Gay Pride says Eleanor Roosevelt was a Lesbian and produces a disgusting letter to prove it..well she and Janet Reno would have made a lovely pair but Reno preferred under-age young girls. And Lincoln they say, is also one of their treasures - I believe that too, for our family preferred John Wilkes Booth who did his oountry a great service - he avenged the south, but not soon enough. While Booth's great grandfather was Illlumaati and he was alleged Rothschild Agent - well if he was, Rothschild will always be on my list of great men. As for sodomy on TV Steve - men kissing and women kissing with no clothes on - I did not wait around to see this garbage go further and had my HBI and Cinemax removed..aftera 10 oclock now it seems to be pervert time on TV. So in our town when these perverts attempt to, if they dare, pull someo of this crap I am waiting for themand so will a lot of other parents and parents, but I do not think our community will ever sink that far to the bottom of the bilge. Below are two items which clearly show what sick and perverted people we have in our government now. Gay Pride? Will leave them alone, so long as they leave me and mine alone - but they are still trying to get after those little cub scous. Saba The idea that chldren are being exposed to this evil element in our socieity - this sick, twisted evil element pushing sodomy on innocent children. First of Two Items - POLITICS Note to Parents: The following story contains graphic information of a sexual nature. While this material is troublesome to us and will be to others, it is important to realize that the State of Massachusetts deems this information appropriate for teenagers as young 14. Kids Get Graphic Instruction In Homosexual Sex State sponsored conference featured detailed sexual material Massachusetts News A Massachusetts Department of Education employees described the pleasures of homosexual sex to a group of high school students at a state-sponsored workshop on March 25 at Tufts. Fisting [forcing one's entire hand into another person's rectum or vagina] often gets a bad rap[It's] an experience of letting somebody into your body that you want to be that close and intimate with...[and] to put you into an exploratory mode. Last year a mother from the western suburbs joined some other parents and went to the State House to appeal to the Governor's office. She was becoming frantic. Her son at the local high school had been told by his musician friends how cool it was at the school's Gay/Straight Alliance club meetings. She soon found out that the club had watched at least one R-rated video of two boys having a love affair. She discovered some provocative handouts in his room. He became detached, and she suspected that he was experimenting with homosexual relationships. The principal would not look into it, nor would any other officials. It was suggested that maybe she was homophobic. No one from the Governor's office would speak to her or the other parents. A Department of Public Health official finally listened to them but afterwards would not return her calls. Later the Boston homosexual newspaper, Bay Windows, published a blistering article warning that bigoted, homophobic parents were trying to endanger the money for the state's gay school clubs. Each year, Governor Paul Cellucci budgets $1.5 million for his Governor's Commission for Gay and Lesbian Youth. Made up of homosexual activists from across the state since 1992, the Commission has used the safe schools mantra and state money to persuade over 180 schools in Massachusetts to accept the clubs. Parents and others who offer any criticism of the programs are regularly accused of homophobia and endangering students' safety. The Governor, who gets much support from the gay community, shields
Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
-Caveat Lector- Interesting that little Nate addresses the poster as Aleisha in the post just prior to this one and then, for some unknown reason, decides to attack me in this one. I have not posted once in this entire thread nor in a couple of days at all for that matter. Now I remember why! ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Nate Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect? -Caveat Lector- Amelia, you need to seek pshychological help. I believe that you are holed up in a ball in the corner with fear that homosexuals are outside your door waiting to sanitize your clearly missionary lifestyle. You are truly mentally unstable. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aleisha Saba Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 7:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
-Caveat Lector- c'mon amelia, unless there is some other history goin on then it looks like just a mistake amidst a fevered reply to someone's post ;) don't take it so hard babe. kinda revolting to be mistaken for aleisha, granted, though hehe... so i sympathise with ya. - Original Message - From: Amelia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect? -Caveat Lector- Interesting that little Nate addresses the poster as Aleisha in the post just prior to this one and then, for some unknown reason, decides to attack me in this one. I have not posted once in this entire thread nor in a couple of days at all for that matter. Now I remember why! ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Nate Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect? -Caveat Lector- Amelia, you need to seek pshychological help. I believe that you are holed A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/4/01 12:29:00 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Innocence and purity are loaded terms. They imply that to be sexually aware, let alone active, means one is guilty and impure. This is a religious doctrine and has no business being taught in public school. How DARE they use MY tax money to teach THIER religion? Cock sucking and butt fucking between two or more males are what homosexuals consider to be normal. This is a religious doctrine and has no business being taught in public schools. How DARE they use My tax money to teach THEIR religion! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Clinton, Bush CIA
-Caveat Lector- There are those of us who think that Bush was not the only one involved in the Mena dealings. This article implicates Clinton to an equal or even greater extent, something seldom mentioned by those covering this subject. Further, it alleges that Clinton's motivation was for personal gain and not even the lame excuse of fighting communism~~just pure personal greed and as always, campaign funding. ~Amelia~ CLINTON, BUSH AND THE CIA by By Paul DeRienzo ARKANSAS GOVERNOR BILL CLINTON PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH CIA DRUGS FOR GUNS CONNECTION By Paul DeRienzo An independent group of researchers in Arkansas are charging that Governor Bill Clinton is covering up an airport used by the CIA and major cocaine smugglers in a remote corner of the Ozark mountains. According to Deborah Robinson of In These Times, the Intermountain Regional Airport in Mena, Arkansas continues to be the hub of operations for people like assassinated cocaine kingpin Barry Seal as well as government intelligence operations linked to arms and drug smuggling. In the 1980's, the Mena airport became one of the world's largest aircraft refurbishing centers, providing services to planes from many countries. Researchers claim that the largest consumers of aircraft refurbishing services are drug smugglers and intelligence agencies involved in covert activities. In fact, residents of Mena, Arkansas, have told reporters that former marine Lt. Colonel Oliver North was a frequent visitor during the 1980's. Eugene Hasenfus, a pilot who was shot down in a Contra supply plane over Nicaragua in 1986, was also seen in town renting cargo vehicles. A federal Grand Jury looking into activities at the Mena airport refused to hand down any indictments after drug-running charges were made public. Deborah Robinson says that Clinton had ignored the situation until he began his presidential campaign. Clinton then said he would provide money for a state run investigation of the Mena airport. But according to Robinson, the promise of an investigation was never followed up by Clinton's staff. In fact, a local Arkansas state prosecutor blasted Clinton's promise of an investigation, comparing it to spitting on a forest fire. Clinton's involvement in the drug and arms running goes even further than a mere cover up of the deplorable activities that went on, and are still going on, at the airport in Mena. A federal mail fraud case against an Arkansas pilot-trainer who participated in illegal arms exports to Central America relied on a key Clinton staffer as a chief witness. The case was dismissed for lack of evidence when the CIA refused to allow the discussion of top secret information about the arms transfers. Terry Reed, a former employee of the CIA's Air America operation in Laos during the Indochina war, claims to have been recruited as a pilot trainer into the Iran operation by Oliver North. In an article written by David Gallis and published last year by Covert Action Information Bulletin, Reed said that in 1983 he had agreed to supply North's operatives with certain items. In pursuit of the Reagan administration's contra war against the Sandinistas, the CIA had planted mines in Nicaragua's harbors. In 1984, Congress passed the Boland Amendment, which cut off US aid to the Contras. According to Reed, it was during this period that North aided him to become involved in a covert operation called Project Donation. Reed was told he would be reimbursed for supplying the Contras by insurance companies that were linked to North's operation. Shortly afterwards, Reed reported the theft of Piper turbo-prop aircraft and he filed a $33,000 claim on which he eventually collected almost $7,000. In late 1985, Red received a phone call from an Air America buddy, William Cooper, a pilot working with Southern Air Transport, another CIA front company. Cooper also was working with soon to be murdered drug kingpin Barry Seal at the same time he was flying re-supply missions for the contras. In 1986, he was shot down and killed over Nicaragua along with co-pilot Wallace Sawyer. The plane's cargo-kicker, Eugene Hasenfus, parachuted into the arms of waiting Sandinista soldiers. Video images of his capture spanned the world and forced an airing of a tiny part of US covert operations. Sandinistas who recovered the downed cargo plane searched Cooper's pockets and found phone numbers linking the re-supply operation with Felix Rodriguez, an associate of George Bush, best known for murdering Che Guevara after his capture in Bolivia. To this day, Rodriguez, who works for the CIA, wears Che's watch as a trophy. Reed says that Cooper told him that the stolen Piper would soon be returned and that he should store it in a hanger at Mena until the Hasenfus mess blew over. There was a lot of contra stuff going on in Arkansas. said Reed, it was the hub. Meanwhile, Reed went into business in Mexico with the blessing of Rodriguez, who was overseeing the contra air re-supply
[CTRL] Chelsea Gets Pass--Gore Kids ALL Potheads
-Caveat Lector-
I posted this previously but thought a repost was in order
since it has been stated that Chelsea did NOT do these things
by a person who also stated that Jenna Bush had committed a
crime and then later boasting of smoking pot (a crime) in his
dorm room. There REALLY are two standards, one for liberals
and one for conservatives. The liberals can do not wrong,
even when they do, and an issue made out of any possible
impropriety of a conservative. So TPTB have a great laugh at
how they can pit the two groups against each other sort of
like gamecock fighting and watch us scratch out each other's
eyes for their entertainment. But really, all of you who were
so outraged about any attack on L'il Chelsea are the first to
try to draw blood from the even younger Jenna!
Well, nice, really nice! Almost as reprehensible as those who
exploit the overtly mentally ill for the same sort of cheap
political point scoring! For every cheap shot you take, there
is an equal one for rebuttal. Neither group is on the 'side
of the angels.'
~Amelia~
- Original Message -
From: Amelia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 2:46 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Chelsea Gets Pass--Gore Kids ALL Potheads
-Caveat Lector-
{{So 1996 was when two of the three Gore kids were smoking
pot at the same
time! Two women in my state got life sentences for drugs, one
her
boyfriend's pot, on first time possession!! But the
double-standard of the
media was not to tell about Chelsea nor the little Gore
Darlings but to now hound the
Bush twins daily. Typical. Soo predictable, too. Amelia}}
With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Friday, April 27, 2001 8:39 p.m. EDT
Jenna Nabbed for Alcohol Possession, Chelsea Gets Pass
First daughter Jenna Bush was stopped by police in Austin,
Texas, early
Friday morning and given a citation for illegally possessing
alcohol. At 19,
Bush is two years shy of the legal drinking age in Texas.
Bush was ticketed at 1:30 a.m. by police patrolling Austin's
East Sixth
Street, a popular destination for the city's nightclub crowd.
Bush, a freshman at the University of Texas, was not arrested.
A spokeswoman for First Lady Laura Bush answered press
inquiries about the
incident by saying, We respect the privacy of this young
woman and we're
not going to comment on her personal life.
Former first lady Hillary Clinton has yet to comment on a
report about her
own daughter, Chelsea, who allegedly went on a wild spring
break drinking
binge in Aspen, Colo., last month.
According to Globe magazine, Secret Service agents had to
intercede before
the former first daughter became sloppy drunk.
Though Miss Clinton, who turned 21 earlier this year,
reportedly barhopped
from one Aspen saloon to another in a visibly inebriated
state, she was not
cited by police for public intoxication.
The mainstream press did not report the Clinton drinking
incident.
Like Chelsea, former vice president Al Gore's daughters had
their
difficulties with alcohol.
Gore's daughter Karenna, who is now one of her father's
closest political
advisers, went though her own wild child phase, with former
high school
classmates recently telling Star magazine that she loved pot
and booze
bashes.
Karenna pal Anne Garofalo told Star that Karenna was the
first person you'd
go to if you needed a partner in crime.
And in 1996 Gore's then-16-year-old daughter Sarah was cited
for underage
possession of alcohol, in an episode similar to Jenna Bush's
encounter with
police Friday morning.
That same year the Gores' then-14-year-old son Albert III was
suspended from
tony St. Albans prep school for smoking marijuana at a school
dance.
The press hushed up the younger Gore's drug bust after his
father personally
contacted news editors and asked them to kill the story.
For more on the Chelsea story the mainstream press won't
report, see: Secret
Service Halted Chelsea's Drunken Spree, Says Tabloid
Dems' Arsenic Scare a Big Lie
More Inside Cover Stories
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[CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher
-Caveat Lector- So, you're enough of an intelligentsia to KNOW that another needs pshychological help. You believe she is holed up, in a corner, and know of her lifestyle. Maybe, using your magnificent insight, you can tell us all just HOW, simultaneously, ALL of these gay programs, financial support, governor's task forces, blind eyes by teachers and administrations, gay clubs, cirricula, hatred of straights, major corporation withdrawal of financial support for boy scouts and other straight groups, parades, gay pride rodeos, came suddenly into being. Just happenstance, perhaps? Just normal consequences of living? No outside influence, no support, it JUST HAPPENED? No AGENDA on the part of any controlling entity? We're psychotic because we see what we see? Within 2 years, EVERY TV sitcom has it's one or more gay plots and major characters... What are you, NUTS?? YOU, my strange one, are either blind, or a very upset one of them posting flames at someone you know absolutely nothing about, or MOST LIKELY a typical, rude abusive DISRUPTER to this group. I suspect the latter. You're not the first, probably not the last, but your intent and methods are typical. Maybe you'd care to offer an explanation as to why no crimes by gays against straights make it into the newspapers. Just happened, I guess. Normal roll of the dice. No influence anywhere. And you, my strange one, appear far more psycho than the person you railed against. From your writings, it would appear that YOU are the one who is mentally unstable. Knock off your gay agenda - I don't want to see it. Blast yourself into your own past. There's a fine bunch of folks here who could do without your tirades regarding anyone's opinions of the gay deluge all around us, but speaking for me, I'd like to see you put an egg in your shoe, and beat it! You ARE the weakest link! c Good bye.. Nate Fischer wrote: -Caveat Lector- Amelia, you need to seek pshychological help. I believe that you are holed up in a ball in the corner with fear that homosexuals are outside your door waiting to sanitize your clearly missionary lifestyle. You are truly mentally unstable. - A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- It scares me that people like you are allowed to post to a public forum... Nate Fischer wrote: -Caveat Lector- Aleisha, I am getting very frustrated with your lack of intelligence again. A: Sodomites are not exclusively homosexuals. Look it up in the dictionary before you use it. Your misuse of the term shows your lack of intelligence. B: The below document is just pure filth. It is a piece of literature from the religious right included as a scare tactic to corporation not to withdraw support from the Boy Scouts. I again tell you that not all pedophiles are exclusively homosexuals, nor is there a large percentage of them. It scares me that there are people who actually believe this stuff out there in the world. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
-Caveat Lector- This is bringing the learning in the streets that you so deplore into the classroom. It is making the process exactly the same as you say you think is wrong. I think sex ed should be rather clinical and taught by only a trained professional, not some weirdo off the streets telling personal experiences. That is sexual abuse, not education. I am also not so sure how very basic 'fisting' is, either, but I do not think personal experience has any place in sex education. That is a form of exhibitionism especially in the context of an adult telling children of personal experiences of their own past. My church sponsored an in-depth sex ed course, required, and the kids all said they found it embarrassing and rather disgusting. I doubt that many were told one thing they had not already been told at home by their parents. Same for these public discussions of somebody's sex life. I also question your contention that practically all kids 14 and over are sexually active as some sign promises to wait voluntarily and I personally know many who do not even date in high school but wait until they go away to college to even start dating. I think it may be your own world that is skewed. Because people want control of what their children are taught and the manner and context in which it is taught by no means confirms that they are repressed in any way. It is the right of every parent to pass on their own values to their own children and not the unknown values of any degenerate who volunteers to speak to a group of children. This is an outdated concept, that parents are not telling their children about sex or refuse or are too repressed to discuss it with them. I know of NO parents who fall into this category today. Sounds like the parents of about two generations ago. These are the kids of the 'flower children' generation and are probably exposed from birth to openness concerning sex. But they, too, have the right as parents to control what is taught to their children in a tax-funded school setting. Just MHO. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: YnrChyldzWyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect? -Caveat Lector- On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote: Turn on your TV today and see sodomy and in schools teaching of sodomy to little elemtary children. But then in another post provides the following as supposed 'proof': Note to Parents: The following story contains graphic information of a sexual nature. While this material is troublesome to us and will be to others, it is important to realize that the State of Massachusetts deems this information appropriate for teenagers as young 14. Kids Get Graphic Instruction In Homosexual Sex State sponsored conference featured detailed sexual material Massachusetts News A Massachusetts Department of Education employees described the pleasures of homosexual sex to a group of high school students at a state-sponsored workshop on March 25 at Tufts. Fisting [forcing one's entire hand into another person's rectum or vagina] often gets a bad rap[It's] an experience of letting somebody into your body that you want to be that close and intimate with...[and] to put you into an exploratory mode. First off, this wasn't presented to 'little elemtary [sic] children', but to teenagers. Secondly, this wasn't taught in a school as part of a school curriculum, but was one of many workshops presented at a conference. Big difference. To say that the descriptions below, of workshops and presentations of this state-sponsored event for educators and children, are every parent's nightmare Only a nightmare for those sexually repressed parents who don't want their children to know even the basic facts about human sexuality... A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] NM: Chelsea Had 23 Secret Service Agents Protecting Her]
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Subject: [Fwd: [CTRL] NM: Chelsea Had 23 Secret Service Agents
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For those of you who have forgotten --
Originally posted by Michael Spitzer
See paragraph 3 regarding the drawing of the curtain.
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[CTRL] Humans as Cancer
-Caveat Lector- .. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed] Note: We store 100's of related New Paradigms Posts at: http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html From: Lloyd Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Humans as Cancer Date: Sunday, May 27, 2001 9:40 PM The essence of environmentalism: GENOCIDE http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/e-sermons/humcan.html Humans as Cancer by A. Kent MacDougall When a spot on a person's skin changes color, becomes tough or rough and elevated or ulcerated, bleeds, scales, scabs over and fails to heal, it's time to consult a doctor. For these are early signs of skin cancer. As seen by astronauts and photographed from space by satellites, millions of manmade patterns on the land surface of Earth resemble nothing so much as the skin conditions of cancer patients. The transformation of the natural contours of the land into the geometric patterns of farm fields, the straightening of meandering rivers into canal-like channels, and the logging of forests into checkerboard clearcuts all have their counterparts in the loss of normal skin markings in cancer victims. Green forests logged into brown scrub and overgrazed grasslands bleached into white wasteland are among the changes in Earth's color. Highways, streets, parking lots and other paved surfaces have toughened Earth's surface, while cities have roughened it. Slag heaps and garbage dumps can be compared to raised skin lesions. Open-pit mines, quarries and bomb craters, including the 30 million left by US forces in Indochina, resemble skin ulcerations. Saline seeps in inappropriately irrigated far! m fields look like scaly, festering sores. Signs of bleeding include the discharge of human sewage, factory effluents and acid mine drainage into adjacent waterways, and the erosion of topsoil from deforested hillsides to turn rivers, lakes and coastal waters yellow, brown and red. The red ring around much of Madagascar that is visible from space strikes some observers as a symptom that the island is bleeding to death. If skin cancer were all that ailed Earth, the planet's eventual recovery would be less in doubt. For with the exception of malignant melanoma, skin cancer is usually curable. But the parallels between the way cancer progresses in the human body and humans' progressively malignant impact on Earth are more than skin-deep. Consider: Cancer cells proliferate rapidly and uncontrollably in the body; humans continue to proliferate rapidly and uncontrollably in the world. Crowded cancer cells harden into tumors; humans crowd into cities. Cancer cells infiltrate and destroy adjacent normal tissues; urban sprawl devours open land. Malignant tumors shed cells that migrate to distant parts of the body and set up secondary tumors; humans have colonized just about every habitable part of the globe. Cancer cells lose their natural appearance and distinctive functions; humans homogenize diverse natural ecosystems into artificial monocultures. Malignant tumors excrete enzymes and other chemicals that adversely affect remote parts of the body; humans' motor vehicles, power plants, factories and farms emit toxins that pollute environments far from the point of origin. A cancerous tumor continues to grow even as its expropriation of nutrients and disruption of vital functions cause its host to waste away. Similarly, human societies undermine their own long-term viability by depleting and fouling the environment. With civilization as with cancer, initial success begets self-defeating excess. It's easy to dismiss the link between cancer the disease in humans and humans as a disease on the planet as both preposterous and repulsive--or as a mere metaphor rather than the unifying hypothesis its leading proponent claims for it. Only a handful of limited-circulation periodicals, including this one (see Forencich 1992/93), have granted the concept a respectful hearing. Accepting the humans-as-cancer concept comes easier if one also accepts the Gaia hypothesis that the planet functions as a single living organism. To be sure, the Earth is mostly inanimate. Its rocky, watery surface supports only a relatively thin layer of plants, animals and other living organisms. But so, too, is a mature tree mostly dead wood and bark, with only its thin cambium layer and its leaves, flowers and seeds actually alive. Yet the tree is a living organism. Earth behaves like a living organism to the extent that the chemical composition of its rocky crust, oceans and atmosphere has both supported and been influenced by the biological processes of living organisms over several billion years. These self-sustaining, self-regulating processes have kept the Earth's surface temperature, its concentrations of salt in the oceans and oxygen in the atmosphere, and other conditions favorable for life. James Lovelock, who propounded
Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
-Caveat Lector- silliness... cock sucking, buttfucking or whatever are things that hetrosexual women consider normal too (thank the lord) - Original Message - From: Bob Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect? Cock sucking and butt fucking between two or more males are what homosexuals consider to be normal. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Canada Moves Toward Legalizing Pot
-Caveat Lector- Source: aol://4344:30.L100al01.5293796.675534523 Canada Moves Toward Legalizing Pot By TOM COHEN .c The Associated Press TORONTO (AP) - The Friendly Stranger used to be up a narrow stairway in a back room, a crowded little shop offering water pipes, T-shirts and other products of the cannabis - or marijuana - culture. Now proprietor Robin Ellins has a prominent storefront on busy Queen Street and plenty of room to display everything from hempseed oil and chips to a full line of hemp clothing and elaborate smoking accessories. The transformation from hidden emporium to thriving commercial venture is part of Canada's slow but clear shift toward decriminalizing marijuana. Justice Minister Anne McLellan says the issue should be studied, and a new Parliament committee on drug matters will look at decriminalization. Conservative Party leader Joe Clark is urging the elimination of criminal penalties for possessing a small amount of pot. ``It's unjust to see someone, because of one decision one night in their youth, carry the stigma - to be barred from studying medicine, law, architecture or other fields where a criminal record could present an obstacle,'' Clark said last week. The government has proposed expanding medicinal use of marijuana, and the Canadian Medical Association Journal recently supported full decriminalization. Canada's Supreme Court will consider a case this year that contends criminal charges for the personal use of marijuana violate constitutional rights. Making possession and use of small amounts of marijuana a civil offense - akin to a traffic fine- instead of a criminal violation would move Canadian policy closer to attitudes in The Netherlands and away from the United States, its neighbor and biggest trade partner. That worries U.S. anti-drug activists like Robert Maginnis of the Family Research Council. ``It will have a residual effect in this country of depressing prices and making marijuana more available,'' he said. He also knows a shift by Canada would boost the arguments of American advocates for easing U.S. drug laws. ``We find our allies are piling up on us and making it more difficult'' to fight drug use, Maginnis said. Joseph A. Califano Jr., president of the National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University, is skeptical about that. Califano, a former U.S. secretary of health and human services, said increasing medical evidence on the harm caused by marijuana makes it unlikely that a change in Canadian law will affect U.S. policy. ``I don't think it means much,'' he said. Canada already has a legal industry for hemp - cannabis cultivated with very low amounts of the chemical that produces the high sought by marijuana smokers - while the U.S. federal government prohibits hemp production. In April, Canadian Health Minister Allan Rock proposed expanding the medicinal use of marijuana beyond cancer sufferers now allowed to take the drug to people with AIDS and other terminal illnesses, severe arthritis, multiple sclerosis, spinal injuries and epilepsy. By contrast, the U.S. Supreme Court recently upheld a federal ban on medical marijuana. Some U.S. states allow hemp production and medical use of marijuana, despite the federal bans, noted Bill Zimmerman, executive director of the Campaign for New Drug Policies in California. Arrest statistics show the disparity in the two nation's approaches. Richard Garlick of the Canadian Center on Substance Abuse said about 25,000 people were arrested in Canada for simple possession of marijuana in 1999. The U.S. figure for that year under the ``zero tolerance'' policy of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration was 24 times higher, exceeding 600,000, says the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws in Washington. The U.S. population is about eight times that of Canada's. ``Thank God, I'm in Canada,'' said Ellins, a long-haired entrepreneur who gives his age as thirtysomething. ``I just can't believe what's going on down there. ... That's a war against people.'' Believing decriminalization was inevitable in socially liberal Canada, he moved his store to a larger, more public setting last year. It's named for the ``friendly stranger'' cited in 1930s anti-marijuana propaganda as the supplier of ``reefer madness.'' Police leave him alone, because the store avoids anything considered drug paraphernalia, he said. ``Before it was too compact and tucked away,'' Ellins said. ``There's definitely been an increase in business. We're more accessible. We're more in demand.'' A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects
[CTRL] Answers overdue about USS Liberty (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Answers overdue about USS Liberty Published June 3, 2001 Charley Reese http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/columnists/orl-oped-reese03060301.column June 8, 1967, is a day that really ought to live in infamy. On that day, Israeli jets and torpedo boats attacked the U.S. Navy intelligence ship, the Liberty, in international waters. Thirty-four Americans were killed and 171 wounded. The attack, beyond doubt deliberate, is bad enough, but the real infamy is that on that very day, the U.S. government conspired with the Israeli government to cover up the truth. Before any American had talked to the ship, U.S. politicians were rushing to the press to peddle the Israeli claim that the attack was a mistake. They claim they thought it was an Arab ship. This cover-up continues. Alone among all the maritime disasters and attacks, the attack on the USS Liberty, clearly marked and sailing in calm seas under clear skies, is the only one that Congress has never made the subject of a public inquiry. At the time of the attack, the survivors were ordered never to speak of it. After they retired, however, they gathered and for decades have been collecting information and asking for a public inquiry. All of their requests are stonewalled. The standard government boilerplate sent to people is that these are old charges and there is no evidence to back them. That is a bald- faced lie. There are several sources of information: One is the USS Liberty Homepage: http://www.uss liberty.org/jim/ussliberty. Another is the book Assault on the Liberty by Jim Ennes, the officer on deck at the time of the attack. A third is another excellent book, The USS Liberty, Dissenting History vs. Official History, by Dr. John E. Borne. History Undercover on the History Channel is scheduled to air a documentary about the attack and cover-up on Aug 9. Even though this program is completed and scheduled, I am skeptical that it will be aired. Those who support Israel have proven in the past to be effective in censoring negative information about Israel. After all, it is they who have frightened Congress into abandoning its duty. The cover-up itself is full of mysteries and questions that need to be answered. Survivors have from separate sources information that a U.S. submarine was present during the attack and photographed it through its periscope. The U.S. government continues to deny this, though the sources claim to have been crew members of the sub. Why is this denied? Why, if the sub were present, did it not surface and offer assistance to the USS Liberty, in grave danger of sinking from a large hole blasted in its side by an Israeli torpedo? The ship would have sunk but for the heroic efforts of her officers and the surviving crew members. The Israelis used machine guns, cannon fire, rockets, napalm and torpedoes in an attack that lasted more than an hour, crew members say. They also deliberately destroyed the ship's life rafts. Clearly, they intended to sink the ship with all hands lost. Their apology and compensation do not change the facts. The Liberty didn't sink, and the Israelis abruptly ended the attack. Survivors believe they did so because they had learned that the jets had been launched from a U.S. aircraft carrier 300 miles away. But those jets were recalled by a direct order from Washington. Why? If they had been allowed to proceed, the attack by torpedo boats could have been prevented. Why are more than 6,000 pages of documents still classified? Survivors and the American people deserve to know the answers. Reach Charley Reese at 407-420-5315 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] United Nations Attack On Gun Ownership (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- United Nations Attack On Gun Ownership May 30, 2001by: Phyllis Schlafly The attempt this year to reprise last year's Million Mom March was a dud, attracting only about 200 demonstrators, and the Democrats' political gurus are whining about how Al Gore's pro-gun-control stance cost him votes last year in crucial states. So the anti-gun activists have moved to a less democratic venue: the United Nations. On July 9 to 20, New York City will host the United Nations Conference on Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons in All Its Aspects. The purpose of this conference is to demonize the private ownership of guns and get governments to confiscate all privately owned guns. Don't be misled by the term small arms. UN documents define small arms as weapons designed for personal use (such as your Browning pistol, your Ruger rifle, or your Winchester shotgun), while light weapons are for use by several persons as a crew. Don't be misled by the term illicit trade. UN documents make it clear that, since most illegal guns start out as legal purchases, illicit trade must be stopped by clamping down on legal gun owners. Don't think that this UN conference is just a talkfest. It is scheduled to produce a legally binding treaty to require governments to mark, number, register, record, license, confiscate, and destroy all guns except those in the hands of the military and the police. Indeed, the first day of the conference is to be called Small Arms Destruction Day. The conference's Preparatory Committee (Prep Com) is calling on all governments, with the assistance of the UN's NGOs (Non-Government Organizations) and civil society (a fancy name for the NGOs working in tandem), to organize public events to promote the destruction of small arms and light weapons on that day. The decision on NGO participation, adopted by the Prep Com without a vote, is in line with the growing UN practice of expanding the influence of relevant NGOs while bypassing sovereign member states. Relevant means only those NGOs that promote the UN agenda. The 18-page Draft Programme of Action to be presented to the July conference sets forth the rationale plus the mechanisms for eliminating the wide availability of guns. It's obvious that the United States is the target because we are the only country with a Second Amendment, and other democracies such as England, Canada and Australia have either banned or severely restricted private gun ownership. The Draft Programme wraps its gun-confiscation message in typical UN semantics, but makes little attempt to conceal the mailed fist in the velvet glove. It states: In order to promote peace, security, stability and sustainable development in the world, we commit ourselves to addressing this problem in a comprehensive, integrated, sustainable, efficient and urgent manner. Indeed, the plan is comprehensive and integrated. According to the Draft Programme, Preventing and reducing the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons consists of two sets of measures: the national control of manufacture and the proper marking of small arms and light weapons, coupled with accurate, sustained recordkeeping and exchanges of information. Government marking and recordkeeping is an integral part of the process. It's clear that the UN is demanding that governments build a national electronic database of all guns and their owners, and then facilitate an information exchange (i.e., share the database with the UN). Through the Department for Disarmament Affairs, the UN promises to develop an international mechanism that will facilitate the exchange of information on all aspects of guns, i.e., a global gun registry. To wipe out private gun ownership, the UN demands that all governments enforce adequate laws, regulations and administrative procedures to exercise effective control over the legal manufacture and possession of small arms and light weapons. And the UN demands that governments criminally prosecute all those who don't comply. The UN plans to develop model national legislation so that Congress will pass laws that conform to the treaty's requirements. The UN plans to guide Congress by publishing best practices for legislation and procedures. All unmarked or inadequately marked small arms and light weapons are to be confiscated and expeditiously destroyed. The government is to assure that no retransfer of small arms and light weapons takes place without prior authorization by the government because the UN disapproves of the possession of guns by civilians who are not part of responsible military and police forces. The UN also has a plan to propagandize Americans to accept this global ban on private gun ownership. The Draft Programme calls for seminars, conferences, consultations and workshops conducted by the United Nations for the purpose of promoting the Action Plan. As part of its awareness-training to induce Americans to accept the new ban-the-guns
[CTRL] Home Schoolers Fight for their Rights (fwd)
Free Congress Foundation's Notable News Now Excerpts from FCF Programming and Other FCF Projects June 4, 2001 Maryland Home Schoolers Fight for their Rights by Paul M. Weyrich From the Endangered Liberties Television Program Contest after contest. The national spelling bee. The National Geography bee. Home schoolers coming in first place and second place, year after year, again and again. How embarrassing for the public school system. For that matter, how embarrassing even for the private and parochial school systems. You had to figure that the empire would strike back sooner or later. Well it has recently happened in Maryland where Ms. Mary Simmons has been cited by the State of Maryland with 72 counts of Criminal Truancy. What is her crime? She refused to let the State of Maryland dictate to her what curriculum she would use to educate her 6-year-old daughter Mary Sharon. According to Michelle Malkin, writing in Townhall.com, Ms. Simmons and her retired husband John Stafford, chose lesson plans created by the Our Lady of the Rosary School system of Kentucky. Malkin examined their course outline and said it would put any modern education system to shame. It included all of the basics, such as reading, math, spelling, social studies, science, phonics and so on. But it also taught the Catholic faith. There was Latin as well. That school system, which goes from kindergarten through high school, featured G.K Chesterton and T.S. Eliot as well as Cicero, from which to choose. But for Maryland officials, this wasn't good enough. And when Ms. Simmons told them to mind their own business, that she and her husband were perfectly capable of knowing what was best to be taught to their child, the state lowered the boom. In many states, parents must meet state requirements in order to home school. Ms. Simmons thinks that there is an anti-Catholic bias in the attitude of the state, a view shared by the Home School Legal Defense Fund which is handling their case. Given the anti-Catholic origins of the whole public school movement, it wouldn't be surprising. This case has serious implications. If the state imposes a course of studies on home schooled students, then it can impose its ideology on them as well. Thus one of the purposes of home schooling, to bypass the political correctness of the state, is defeated. Let us hope and pray that in the end Mary Simmons wins and the State of Maryland has to retreat. If not, and she loses, and it is appealed and she loses all the way to the Supreme Court, it will mean the practical end of the brightest light in our nation's future, namely home schooling. Either home schooling parents have the freedom to operate as they see fit or home schooling becomes just another branch of the oppressive state. In that case it may be better to have the public schools inflict the damage. At least then it will be clear that Mommy and Daddy don't approve. Paul Weyrich is president of the Free Congress Foundation. For media inquiries, contact Notra Trulock 202.546.3000 / [EMAIL PROTECTED] For other questions or comments, contact Angie Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit our website at http://www.freecongress.org This publication is a service of the Free Congress Research and Education Foundation, Inc. (FCF) and does not necessarily reflect the views of the Free Congress Foundation nor is it an attempt to aid or hinder the passage of any bill. Free Congress Foundation * 717 Second Street, NE * Washington, DC 20002 * 202.546.3000 * Fax: 202.544.2819 Project Manager: Angela Wheeler * Copyright * 2001 Free Congress Foundation - All Rights Reserved.
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Harvard Low Income Housing Story: Boston Globe Yesterday
-Caveat Lector- Given my own experience with Harvard Endowment in low income housing, I am inclined to believe the tenants. Harvard also invests in a private investment fund that has a strategic investment in the most important contractor (DynCorp) to the Department of Justice and HUD enforcement operations for federal housing and the War on Drugs in low income communities. They are very active in seizures in poor communities. Historically, federal enforcement has been quite heavy handed in protecting Harvard's investment interests, indeed in a manner that is harmful for the taxpayers. from Catherine Austin Fitts -Original Message- From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 01, 2001 9:06 AM Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: Harvard Low Income Housing Story: Boston Globe Yesterday A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [EF] United Nations Attack On Gun Ownership
-Caveat Lector- United Nations Attack On Gun Ownership May 30, 2001by: Phyllis Schlafly The attempt this year to reprise last year's Million Mom March was a dud, attracting only about 200 demonstrators, and the Democrats' political gurus are whining about how Al Gore's pro-gun-control stance cost him votes last year in crucial states. So the anti-gun activists have moved to a less democratic venue: the United Nations. On July 9 to 20, New York City will host the United Nations Conference on Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons in All Its Aspects. The purpose of this conference is to demonize the private ownership of guns and get governments to confiscate all privately owned guns. Don't be misled by the term small arms. UN documents define small arms as weapons designed for personal use (such as your Browning pistol, your Ruger rifle, or your Winchester shotgun), while light weapons are for use by several persons as a crew. Don't be misled by the term illicit trade. UN documents make it clear that, since most illegal guns start out as legal purchases, illicit trade must be stopped by clamping down on legal gun owners. Don't think that this UN conference is just a talkfest. It is scheduled to produce a legally binding treaty to require governments to mark, number, register, record, license, confiscate, and destroy all guns except those in the hands of the military and the police. Indeed, the first day of the conference is to be called Small Arms Destruction Day. The conference's Preparatory Committee (Prep Com) is calling on all governments, with the assistance of the UN's NGOs (Non-Government Organizations) and civil society (a fancy name for the NGOs working in tandem), to organize public events to promote the destruction of small arms and light weapons on that day. The decision on NGO participation, adopted by the Prep Com without a vote, is in line with the growing UN practice of expanding the influence of relevant NGOs while bypassing sovereign member states. Relevant means only those NGOs that promote the UN agenda. The 18-page Draft Programme of Action to be presented to the July conference sets forth the rationale plus the mechanisms for eliminating the wide availability of guns. It's obvious that the United States is the target because we are the only country with a Second Amendment, and other democracies such as England, Canada and Australia have either banned or severely restricted private gun ownership. The Draft Programme wraps its gun-confiscation message in typical UN semantics, but makes little attempt to conceal the mailed fist in the velvet glove. It states: In order to promote peace, security, stability and sustainable development in the world, we commit ourselves to addressing this problem in a comprehensive, integrated, sustainable, efficient and urgent manner. Indeed, the plan is comprehensive and integrated. According to the Draft Programme, Preventing and reducing the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons consists of two sets of measures: the national control of manufacture and the proper marking of small arms and light weapons, coupled with accurate, sustained recordkeeping and exchanges of information. Government marking and recordkeeping is an integral part of the process. It's clear that the UN is demanding that governments build a national electronic database of all guns and their owners, and then facilitate an information exchange (i.e., share the database with the UN). Through the Department for Disarmament Affairs, the UN promises to develop an international mechanism that will facilitate the exchange of information on all aspects of guns, i.e., a global gun registry. To wipe out private gun ownership, the UN demands that all governments enforce adequate laws, regulations and administrative procedures to exercise effective control over the legal manufacture and possession of small arms and light weapons. And the UN demands that governments criminally prosecute all those who don't comply. The UN plans to develop model national legislation so that Congress will pass laws that conform to the treaty's requirements. The UN plans to guide Congress by publishing best practices for legislation and procedures. All unmarked or inadequately marked small arms and light weapons are to be confiscated and expeditiously destroyed. The government is to assure that no retransfer of small arms and light weapons takes place without prior authorization by the government because the UN disapproves of the possession of guns by civilians who are not part of responsible military and police forces. The UN also has a plan to propagandize Americans to accept this global ban on private gun ownership. The Draft Programme calls for seminars, conferences, consultations and workshops conducted by the United Nations for the purpose of promoting the
Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/4/01 3:23:26 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: silliness... cock sucking, buttfucking or whatever are things that hetrosexual women consider normal too (thank the lord) - Original Message - From: Bob Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect? Cock sucking and butt fucking between two or more males are what homosexuals consider to be normal. Apparently you cannot read for shit. I stated these acts are between men (and I use the term men loosely). I have never met a woman who bends over willingly, that is something that is promoted in xxx-rated movies, which do not represent real people. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- Greetings all It scares me that this sort of thing is on this list. It is rubbish and a scare tatic which is very typical for many of these lists. what anyone wishes to be in life, be you a sodomite or not, is your business, I see no one lurking around corners dark at night in the streets ready to grab a innocent one as many have told you ( not that it does not happen from time to time mind you ). You will find that when bad things happen to good people, then someone is at blame, so that means someone has to be blamed and then some poor soul suffers from the paranoia of the masses. God said bad things would happen, not because one is a sodomite or anything else. It was due to what the Bible calls SIN. Christians SIN too, so do homosexuals, straights, sodomites etc etc etc etc and what are the wages of SIN, the Bible says Death. God will take care of it! I remember NO instructions for us to do so. If I also remember correctly from my theological and seminary studies, It was many a Christian who destroyed the Biblical texts and vulgarized them with their heretic word changes that it is a miracle we understand it all today even. It is not right that anyone set in judgement of another. In fact,the Bible forbids it. I do not like people to be so smug to think they are so very correct in their belief. It seems to me, that what we think is right and correct, may in fact be not so correct at all. Humans are very sad creatures, in as much as they judge unrightously and think themselves so perfect. Merely my opinions ArkAngel - Original Message - From: Nate Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride -Caveat Lector- Aleisha, I am getting very frustrated with your lack of intelligence again. A: Sodomites are not exclusively homosexuals. Look it up in the dictionary before you use it. Your misuse of the term shows your lack of intelligence. B: The below document is just pure filth. It is a piece of literature from the religious right included as a scare tactic to corporation not to withdraw support from the Boy Scouts. I again tell you that not all pedophiles are exclusively homosexuals, nor is there a large percentage of them. It scares me that there are people who actually believe this stuff out there in the world. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aleisha Saba Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride -Caveat Lector- More for June's edification of why the Boy Scouts do not need sodomites for leaders of the little cub scouts.. Saba Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 1:16 PM Subject: [Conspiranoia!] Five Good Reasons Why The Boy Scouts Ban Gays [Homosexuals] Saturday, June 2, 2001 Five Good Reasons Why The Boy Scouts Ban Gays Those nitwitted companies, charities and municipalities out to punish the Boy Scouts of America for its ban on homosexuals should take a good look at five of the good reasons for the ban, as reported by the Rev. Louis P. Sheldon, chairman of the Traditional Values Coalition In April, a Canadian Scout leader was charged with sexual touching and sexual exploitation for molesting two boys under his care. This homosexual offered alcohol, X-rated videos and condoms to the boys. In February, John Levendosky, a former assistant Boy Scout leader in Pennsylvania, was charged with endangering the welfare of children and charged with assault for tying two boys to a tree and cutting them. Police found pornographic bondage magazines and sadomasochistic paraphernalia in his home. In January, William Elliott, a New York Scout leader, was charged on 20 counts of molesting four boys. In April, Keith Crumpton, a Mississippi Scout leader, faced five counts of fondling a minor and traveling across state lines to have sex with a boy. He molested three young boys. In April, an Annapolis Scout leader was arrested for sexually abusing a 13-year-old Scout under his supervision. Homosexual Matthew Showalter faces 20 years in prison if convicted. Says the Rev. Sheldon: The list goes on, but the point should be clear: Men with a 'sexual orientation' toward other males - little boys, teenagers, or men - are quite likely to act out their sexual desires when given the chance. These cases demonstrate that there are already NAMBLA homosexuals hiding out in the Boy Scouts of America organization. We should not open the doors to more of them. The ones who are caught are doing immense emotional and physical damage to boys. The Scouts leadership is correct to prohibit openly practicing homosexuals from becoming leaders or members. Instead of punishing the Scouts for discriminating against homosexuals, communities and groups like the United Way should applaud the Boy Scouts
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- Well Ark Angel - Gay Pride and they are well organized, still pushes to destroy the boy scouts - using Jesse Jackson tactics, for they all have the same teacher. Now if anybody wants to take a vow of poverty, fly the Gay Pride Flag, and move into a lepor community I do not care - I say this, AIDS is the end result. A black man was on TV last night saying AIDS is wiping out an entire generation of blacks.he still doesn't get it, does it - over 1/3 of homosexual blacks have AIDS and some of the bisexuals then bring home to their families. I reserve the right to protect my children and grandhild from predators who slobber at the mouth by now, attempting to push into the Boy Scouts of America - whom democrats jeered and berated at the democrat convention .. Gay Pride has rights but the Supreme Court recently ruled, so do I - Larry Flynt and his followers and the NAACP and Gay Pride who flew their sick flag over our State House will find out that I am rights too if they tred on my toes. Cannot put new wine in old bottles so they go after the kids?Poor Littleton - two alleged homosexuals slaughter their little classmates, using Uzi or AK's and plan to blow up the school and entire block and get caught befoe they finish the job the way planned - like Oklahoma.just because they were picked on and called queer? You got to be kidding Ark Angel - it is said the devil can appear as the angel of light- but these sodomists will not give up will they - they want to destroy the Boys Scouts and all for which it stands. But those who would protect their children have a Supreme Court ruling to back hem up and those who would protect their children can boycott United Way, not buy the crap these people who would destroy the boy scouts sell, along with their fast foods = and yes, they can protect their children by showing just a portion of what Gay Pride has accomplished . the need to put homosexuals in charge of little children. You see we do not want to encourage people taking the law into their own hands A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher
-Caveat Lector- The only time I ever see Nate post to this list is when he's pushing the pro-gay side of whatever the issue is. Anyone who lets his or her sexuality run his or her life, is the one who needs help. Tenorlove who finds an inverse relationship between talk and action __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
-Caveat Lector- Well Amelia, the same old people come out from under the rocks - UN is meeting now, for AIDS is such a problem now. A black on TV last night complained an entire generation of blacks is about to be wiped out with AIDS - and he still does not get the message. AIDS is the means by which they will destroy more than just a generation of kids - if somebody wants to practice sodomy, who cares - but when they attempt to push their corrupted lives into the lives of innocent children such as the Cub Scouts - you think people like me are going to remain silent? The idea that our children are exposed to this filth - the item I sent which was so obscene in my opinion that FOX NEWS presented it on a TV special in attempt to show people what was happening while other networks ignored same.it woke up quite a few people to what was happening. The sodomites want to self destruct it is okay with me, but I reserve the right to protect my family an grandson from these evil practices. So Gay Pride is still hitting the boy scouts..funds are being cut off - fine, who gives a damn? Gay Pride is using Jesse Jackson tactics but what they do not realize is, their tactics is waking up a lot of people who now begin to see the truth? After all those kids at Littleton were slaugtered, Al Gore in the midst of 300 kids, rushes over to kiss a lesbian who stood there bawling say at another school how mistreated she was. In my day we did not mistreat anything wearing lavendar blue - we ignored it, all had equal rights...but you did not send a homosexual in to take charge of small children. FOX News presented the vile item I put to list, an they were the only network to so do...anybody who thinks this garbage is appealing - better get out the Gay Pride flag, for this was a test to see how far they could go - and the UN this week is moaning and groaning about the world on the way to dying from AIDS. There is a cure for AIDS..avoid homosexuals like the plague they are. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- Greetings, I do not remember saying that anyone could not protect their families and friends from such things.. enough said, ArkAngel - Original Message - From: Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride -Caveat Lector- Well Ark Angel - Gay Pride and they are well organized, still pushes to destroy the boy scouts - using Jesse Jackson tactics, for they all have the same teacher. Now if anybody wants to take a vow of poverty, fly the Gay Pride Flag, and move into a lepor community I do not care - I say this, AIDS is the end result. A black man was on TV last night saying AIDS is wiping out an entire generation of blacks.he still doesn't get it, does it - over 1/3 of homosexual blacks have AIDS and some of the bisexuals then bring home to their families. I reserve the right to protect my children and grandhild from predators who slobber at the mouth by now, attempting to push into the Boy Scouts of America - whom democrats jeered and berated at the democrat convention .. Gay Pride has rights but the Supreme Court recently ruled, so do I - Larry Flynt and his followers and the NAACP and Gay Pride who flew their sick flag over our State House will find out that I am rights too if they tred on my toes. Cannot put new wine in old bottles so they go after the kids?Poor Littleton - two alleged homosexuals slaughter their little classmates, using Uzi or AK's and plan to blow up the school and entire block and get caught befoe they finish the job the way planned - like Oklahoma.just because they were picked on and called queer? You got to be kidding Ark Angel - it is said the devil can appear as the angel of light- but these sodomists will not give up will they - they want to destroy the Boys Scouts and all for which it stands. But those who would protect their children have a Supreme Court ruling to back hem up and those who would protect their children can boycott United Way, not buy the crap these people who would destroy the boy scouts sell, along with their fast foods = and yes, they can protect their children by showing just a portion of what Gay Pride has accomplished . the need to put homosexuals in charge of little children. You see we do not want to encourage people taking the law into their own hands A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- Well now, Aleisha, ignoring the difference between pedophilia and homosexuality that you have a problem with (or deliberately choose to ignore)the rest of us recognize the FACT that adult men molesting boys have as much to do with homosexuality as do adult men molesting girls have to do with heterosexuality... It's interesting that you post proof that even though it insists on banning gays, it doesn't stop pedophiles from becoming scout leaders and molesting boys... Perhaps homosexual scout leaders would be more astute in recognzing the pedophiles in their midst than the heterosexual scout leaders have been so far June Check out Alternative Kite radio: http://www.live365.com/stations/242153 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, BB wrote: It scares me that people like you are allowed to post to a public forum... It scares me that people like you advocate censorship... June Check out Alternative Kite radio: http://www.live365.com/stations/242153 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher
-Caveat Lector- This is 100 percent right. Personally I am 100 percent certain that 100 percent of people who disagree with my viewpoint are 100 percent evil. Kidding aside, without knowing Nate's age, hormone levels and other background information I would hesitate to make such a blanket statement. In younger days most of the people I knew were letting sexuality run their lives. Its importance decreases directly with hormone levels and inversely with maturity level. The only time I ever see Nate post to this list is when he's pushing the pro-gay side of whatever the issue is. Anyone who lets his or her sexuality run his or her life, is the one who needs help. Tenorlove A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] US FRUSTRATES EU ECHELON INVESTIGATION
-Caveat Lector- Story in this month's E-Legality Bulletin http://www.e-legality.org/ Analysis: US FRUSTRATES EU ECHELON INVESTIGATION By Phil Cain [EMAIL PROTECTED] The EU team investigating Echelon, an international electronic communication interception system headed by the US National Security Agency, cut short its visit to the US this month because it was denied planned meetings with representatives of the US Advocacy Centre. The Advocacy Centre was set up by the Department of Commerce in 1993 to help US firms to win foreign public contracts. Some believe the centre could have helped pass on economic information picked up by the Echelon network to US corporations. Proving such exchanges took place is crucial to proving the EU 's contention that Echelon may have significantly damaged EU economies. Denial of access to the Advocacy Centre meant the investigation team, led by 'rapporteur' Gerhard Schmidt, was unable to verify or discount documents which suggested the CIA is involved in the Centre's work. Nor could it find out the identity of five of the 19 agencies the Centre says it works with but does not name. US intelligence officials admit to state-sponsored industrial espionage justifying it by saying it is simply a way to uncover foreign corruption which put US companies at an unfair disadvantage. In answer reports published by the EU investigative team this month (see below) say: It should be pointed out to the Americans that all EU Member States have properly functioning criminal justice systems. If there is evidence that crimes have been committed, the US must leave the task of law enforcement to the host countries. The reports, released shortly after the investigation team's untimely return from the US, said the balance of evidence suggests that the Echelon system does exist. But it also did not rule out the possibility that France and Russia may operate similar global surveillance operations but concluded that there was insufficient evidence to draw a firm conclusion. The new documents emphasise the limits technology imposes on the capacity of any such signal interception system. In particular they pointed out the way the Internet transmits data means: Echelon states have access to only a very limited proportion of Internet communication transmitted by cable. Satellite and radio transmissions were reckoned to be more likely sources of Echelon's raw material. Whatever the medium monitored by the system, the reports conclude the restricted capacity of computer keyword-matching and the limited number of intelligence analysts meant the number of messages that could be scanned by the system would by no means be comprehensive. By way of example the report pointed out that a comparable German signals intelligence system monitors only 10% of messages. The reports also note that a filtering system would be put under significant extra strain if required to pick up economic key words as well as ones relating to national security. The EU reports suggests that participants in the putative Echelon surveillance network - the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand - may have contravened certain international laws, including EC law. Though the EC Treaty, which sets out the ground rules for the EU, does not cover state security operations and law and order it does not allow members to spy on other member's companies. The report said US privacy law and the EU Charter of Human Rights could not be used against Echelon, but it noted Article 8 of the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) could offer redress to parties injured by Echelon. The article requires signatory governments to monitor foreign intelligence services on their territory. The report raises the question about how diligently the UK and Germany have monitored US intelligence activities on their territory in the past. Consequently, the reports states that there is good reason to call on Germany and the UK to take their obligations under the ECHR seriously and to make the authorisation of further intelligence activities by the National Security Agency on their territory contingent on compliance with the ECHR. *Sources: Shortly after the EU investigative team's return a document said to be a 92-page draft report on Echelon written before the US visit was posted on the Internet. See: http://cryptome.org/Echelon-ep.htm And, not long after that an updated 113-page draft was officially released. See: http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/prEchelon_en.pdf A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to
[CTRL] Fwd: [news] Credibility Chasm
consortiumnews.com - http://www.consortiumnews.com --- ListBot Sponsor -- Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com/links/joinlb -- Just four-plus months into the new administration, George W. Bush and his allies are in danger of digging themselves a credibility chasm. To counter attacks on his environmental policies, Bush posed before giant sequoia trees last week; Senate Republican Leader Trent Lott bemoaned a coup against democracy in Jim Jeffords' defection; and White House spokesman Ari Fleischer insists that the public take his word about pornographic messages left behind by Clinton staffers. The Bush administration seems to be confident that the national news media will continue its gentle treatment, but a bigger risk may rest with the American people who seem to be growing more skeptical. For the full story on Bush's potential credibility chasm, go to Consortiumnews.com at http://www.consortiumnews.com __ To unsubscribe, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/4/01 7:18:38 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well obviously you have very limited hands-on experience in this arena... I have no experience in this area and have no desire to have a 'backdoor' experience. It is definitely NOT solely in xxx-rated movies that women 'bend over willingly' (actually one does NOT have to bend over)...you have my condolences that this has been your personal experience I am not from California or the northern States where that sort of thing may be common place. I do not have a 'prison' fantasy. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
-Caveat Lector- can i take it a shag is out of the question? --- Bob Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/4/01 7:18:38 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well obviously you have very limited hands-on experience in this arena... I have no experience in this area and have no desire to have a 'backdoor' experience. It is definitely NOT solely in xxx-rated movies that women 'bend over willingly' (actually one does NOT have to bend over)...you have my condolences that this has been your personal experience I am not from California or the northern States where that sort of thing may be common place. I do not have a 'prison' fantasy. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om = Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher
-Caveat Lector- wonder why Nate took name of Asmodius, a Hebrew God and Lord of Flies - lusty devil. Asmodeus, in Hebrew demonology, the chief of the demons, occasionally identified with the prince of demons, Beelzebub. He figures largely in later Hebrew tradition, appearing in the Book of Tobit in the Old Testament apocrypha as an evil spirit possessed of great lust. He is represented as having loved Sarah, daughter of Raguel, and as having slain seven men who were successively married to Sarah. Tobias, who intended to marry Sarah, succeeded with the help of the angel Raphael in exorcising the demon. Raphael pursued Asmodeus to Upper Egypt and bound him, enabling Tobias and Sarah to live in peace. In talmudic legends, Asmodeus is associated with Solomon, whom he aided, notably in building the temple. He is also regarded as the cause of the excesses ascribed to Solomon. HOW TO CITE THIS ARTICLE Asmodeus, Microsoft® Encarta® Online Encyclopedia 2001 http://encarta.msn.com © 1997-2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. © 1993-2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Deluxe Sign-In Highlight section Order 5 products in one! Get the latest edition of Encarta Reference Suite now. Order the CD Order the DVD Shop folders,hanging,letter,legal $12.99 Staples more like this... Also On Let Microsoft help your career Tall tales that teach Ever thought about grad school? Also On MSN Great gifts for dads and grads Free movies for a year Kids only! Please rate Encarta's answers to your question. Not RelevantVery Relevant12345 Main reason for your rating: Encarta Home | Reference | Homework | College | Grad | Training | Parents | Experts | Shop | Help Site Map | About Encarta | Encarta Enquire Other Links: Free Games White Pages Greeting Cards Buy Books MSN Explorer More... Special Features: eShop: great stores, great deals Are your friends online? The Web's best personal finance site Sign up for a FREE Hotmail account Send Money Online More... ©2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Terms of Use Advertise TRUSTe Approved Privacy Statement A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [EF] United Nations Attack On Gun Ownership
-Caveat Lector- Well this is what Hitler did..they want to take guns away from UN, fine - disarm the peacemaker's first for they have the arsenals, etc. Imagine my quiet suburb totally disarmed...even take away our Rotweilers and Pit Bulls.and hire a handful of police whose primary targets in life are giving traffic tickets for not wearing seat belts and speeding? Now you want to see a great yellow streak and not up center of portions of highways, continue to TRY to distroy the militias, take away the guns from suburbanites - and watch - you will wonder where the yellow went - for our police would be the first, to give up for they would be out numbered. But this element will also have to abolish the County Sheriff's the only lawfully elected law enforcement agency. Others are all appointed So wait till the EU starts its boots marching across Europe with their PRIVATE armies? Supported by the UN? You see like homosexuals they are, they are using the rear exit to push their programs on law abiding citizens - and believe me, if they are successful the homosexuals will be the first ones, to be given the boot. Remember the Alamo. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Answers overdue about USS Liberty (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- What is wonderful here THE USS LIBERTY WAS IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS.while our men lie on deck some dead, others wounded, the USS Liberty was napalmed and bombed for 45 minutesNAPALMED.. The idea was to blame the EGYPTIANS for the sinking of this great ship - but they could not manage to accomplish their goal. So they paid for reparations? Yes, with our money they did and they fought and delayed that spitefully. People will remember the USS LIBERTY FOREVER..strange, how little is said about the fact, that this ship was in International Waters.. It was like the attack on Pearl Harbor - one would think they answered to the same Masterhit and run Gideon tactics. Like McVeigh, at Oklahomahit and run. I also remember WACO and will never believe those were all Americans on the scene - no doubt UN troops getting a little action? Masked Ningh - then we had the Japanese Sharpshooter at Ruby Ridge? Murdering children. Like Oklahoma - babies left in nursery? Hit and run...but then there were those who did not show up for work that day for the ADL warned them - idea to blame militia for this job, when it is obvious McVeigh was just another Patsyeasy to figure out for whom. REMEMBER THE USS LIBERTY ALWAYS The only man who would not let us forget, Dr Pierce - he is being blamed for Oklahoma because he wrote a book called Turner Diaries? McVeigh had his little copy with him always like some carry the Gideon bible open to Judges 6 and 7...little red arrows though leading to Turner Diaries written by a man who will never let us forget, the USS Liberty (though he is less than perfect, he knows a traitor and a cowardly Gideon when he sees one). Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
-Caveat Lector- Cock sucking and butt fucking between two or more males are what homosexuals consider to be normal. For them, it is normal. It's not normal for everybody, but so what? Why should people all behave the same. That would be unnatural. This is a religious doctrine and has no business being taught in public schools. It's not a religious doctrine. It's not a doctrine at all. It's a simple fact of nature, like brachiating or ruminating (neither of which are normal for all creatures either). Some people a are homosexual and that's what (most) homosexuals do. Teaching about it is part of a complete biology curriculum. How DARE they use My tax money to teach THEIR religion! It's not religion. If it were, I'd be against being taught with tax money, too. But it's not. It's biology. Surely you don't oppose the teaching of biology? And when biology is taught, should brachiation and rumination be omitted, simply because all creatures dont swing from trees or chew their cud? I think not. Nor do I believe that by teaching kids that some creatures chew their cud and others swing through trees do we in any way encourage kids to chew cud or swing through trees. By the same token, teaching kids about homosexuality in no way encourages them to actually practice homosexuality. I see nothing wrong with, as a minor footnote, pointing out as part of this instruction that some people think homosexuality is wrong, or that they believe this because of their religion. This is not the teaching of religion. This is the teaching of sociology. But teaching that it actually is wrong, is the teaching of religion, and has no place in public schools. Whats more, were not just talking about homosexual sex, here. Were talking about all sex. Sex is part of biology, a big part, some would say the central part. Kids should be taught about biology, all of it, not just about the parts that the practitioners of certain religions approve of. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher
-Caveat Lector- Well Nate, or Amadius as you call yourself.I never shove until someone pushes. I am fed up with innocent children being tortured, murdered, as was done at WACO by those who belonged to a save the children order, and I am sick of watching the boy scouts being intimidated and threatened by those who fly the flag of Gay Pride.. Feeding our children garbage?Garbage is for slopping the pigs.. Nice name you chose to use for yourself Asmadius..fits the occasion and the person well. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- Well Nate aka Amadius (hebrew god of lust and satanism - seems you could find a better name than that). You say you are frustrated? I have known that all along.only thing that activates you is symbolic burning of Gay Pride Flag and all for which it stands.Sodomy. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Favish: AJF FOIA Brief Filed with 9th Circuit (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Allan Favish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 9:40 PM Subject: AJF FOIA Brief Filed with 9th Circuit My opening brief in my appeal to obtain public release of the five photos withheld by the district court was filed with the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit on May 30, 2001 (Adobe Acrobat PDF 235KB). It is in the Foster section of my web site. _ Regards, Allan J. Favish http://members.aol.com/allanf8702/page1.htm === Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- In fact,the Bible forbids it. The Bible also forbids the wearing of cloth made from two kinds of threads and the rounding of the corners of the beard. Why aren't all these rabid homophobes equally upset about people doing those things? They are both far more common than sodomy. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
-Caveat Lector- Add fisting to the list, too ;-) What I want know is what were they doing in Gomorrah? It wasn't Sodomy. That's what they did in Sodom. It must have been Gomorrahry. What is Gomorrahry, anyway? And how do you do it? Inquiring minds want to know. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NYT: Old Foe of Reno Revives a Miami Fugitive's Case
-Caveat Lector- NYTimes June 3, 2001 Old Foe of Reno Revives a Miami Fugitive's Case By DEXTER FILKINS MIAMI, June 2 - Even in a city jaded by the antics of its public officials, the case of a former Miami- Dade County commissioner still reverberates here as one of its most bizarre. Now, eight years after the county commissioner, Joseph M. Gersten, fled the country in a sex-and-drugs scandal, an influential United States representative is reviving the case. And he is doing so just as one of the fugitive's oldest enemies, former Attorney General Janet Reno, is considering running for governor of Florida. The congressman, Representative Dan Burton, an Indiana Republican who heads the House Committee on Government Reform, says his interest in the Gersten affair has nothing to do with his relationship to Ms. Reno, with whom Mr. Burton often clashed when she was President Bill Clinton's attorney general. In an unusual move, Mr. Burton says he plans to bring his committee to Miami to investigate the conduct of prosecutors then working for Ms. Reno, who was state attorney in what is now Miami-Dade County during much of the investigation of Mr. Gersten, in the early 1990's. Mr. Burton says he has unearthed evidence of unethical conduct, and that he needs to go to Miami for answers. People will make the case that I am trying to cause people like Janet Reno heartburn, Mr. Burton said in an interview Friday. We think there were some injustices done in this case, and we want to find out why. Mr. Burton dismissed accusations of partisanship, and his staff noted that Mr. Gersten was a prominent Democrat before fleeing the country for Australia. Mr. Burton said that the case was brought to his attention last year by a supporter of Mr. Gersten's, and that he and his staff were convinced that prosecutors working for Ms. Reno and possibly members of the Federal Bureau of Investigation acted improperly in the case. We started checking into it, and one thing led to another, Mr. Burton said. Some of Mr. Burton's opponents scoff at his explanation, and they accuse Mr. Burton of carrying his feud with Ms. Reno beyond Washington and into Florida's political arena. They say they find it curious that Mr. Burton is rushing to the defense of one fugitive, Mr. Gersten, just as his committee is investigating Mr. Clinton's pardon of another fugitive, the commodities trader Marc Rich. Mr. Burton's objective, his detractors suggest, is to thwart Ms. Reno's prospective candidacy to unseat Gov. Jeb Bush, a Republican. This is so old. Why now? mused Bob Poe, the chairman of the Florida Democratic Party. I think he wants to wreak havoc and embarrass Janet Reno. Ms. Reno said she was questioned on the matter by a member of Mr. Burton's staff last year. In a recent telephone interview, she said, I can't speculate on what Congressman Burton wants, but she described him as a constant critic. Ms. Reno said she stood by her actions and those of her subordinates in the Gersten investigation, and pointed out that her office never charged Mr. Gersten with a crime. Ms. Reno also noted that by the time Mr. Gersten fled the country in 1993, she had left Miami to work in the Clinton administration. The case goes back to April 29, 1992, when Mr. Gersten, a prominent elected official, reported his ice-blue Mercedes-Benz stolen from in front of his Coral Gables home. The police found the car the next day, but two of the people inside it, and two others picked up later, gave a different account: that Mr. Gersten had been with them in a house several miles away in Miami, smoking crack cocaine and having sex. Some of those in the crack house decided to rob Mr. Gersten, they said, and they left him miles away from home without his car, wallet, briefcase or a gun that he had been carrying. Mr. Gersten denied the accusations. He passed a drug test, but prosecutors were still suspicious. They issued a subpoena demanding that he answer questions about the police report he filed contending that his car had been stolen from his home. Mr. Gersten never gave the statement. After months of legal wrangling, Mr. Gersten was ordered jailed by a Miami-Dade judge for contempt of court. After spending nearly three weeks in jail, he was released pending an appeal. Some time later, Mr. Gersten left the country. He eventually landed in Australia, where he is fighting for the right to practice law. In investigating the investigation of Mr. Gersten, Mr. Burton's aides said they had found evidence suggesting potential abuse by prosecutors and the F.B.I., and hints of a possible conspiracy to frame Mr. Gersten. The main contention of Mr. Burton's report concerns prosecutors' handling of a statement from a 15- year-old boy who said he had seen a person resembling Mr. Gersten kill a transvestite the week of the car theft. The accusation turned out to be false, and the youth told the police that he had made it at
[CTRL] BW: Critics charge ADL and Denver Post with character assassination
-Caveat Lector- Local activist maligned by story Critics charge ADL and Denver Post with character assassination by The Boulder (CO) Weekly Staff The Anti-Defamation League the slander of Jews gun-rights group founded and headed by a local Jewish man. A May 28 story in The Denver Post said ADL officials are looking into the Tyranny Response Team, the organization of gun rights activists co-founded by Bob Glass, a Longmont gun store owner. It has grown in less than two years to include thousands of members with chapters in 18 states. The Tyranny Response Team routinely pickets a variety of events by activists who want stricter gun laws. The group made headlines most recently for nearly matching the number of gun control advocates at the annual Million Mom March rally on Mother's Day. The Post article said ADL investigations typically expose hate groups and militias, but said local ADL officials stopped short of placing the Tyranny Response Team in that category. It said the ADL was concerned because Glass and his followers have been seen wearing yellow, six-pointed stars identical to those Jews were forced to wear in Nazi Germany. The article also mentions that Glass and other Tyranny Response Team members sometimes pass out flyers that contain pictures of Holocaust victims. The article never stated that Glass is Jewish, and did not reveal that his gun rights advocacy is rooted firmly in his Jewish heritage. Glass says the article is a clear case of character assassination carefully crafted to cast gun rights activists as racist anti-Semites. It's hurtful, he says, coming from an organization that's supposed to uphold the Constitutional rights of Jews. Furthermore, says Glass, he began wearing the Star of David and passing out pictures of Holocaust victims because he wants Americans to never forget what happened to Jews during World War II Glass said he came to understand the Second Amendment as a child, while sitting on his grandmother's lap and looking at pictures of relatives who were killed by Nazis in the Holocaust. I'm a bagel-eating, pastrami-eating, Brooklyn-born, bar mitzvahed New York City Jew boy and I'm proud of it, Glass says. I'm not one of these messianic, born again types who just discovered my Jewish heritage while trying to find myself. I grew up with two Jewish parents, in a Jewish community with a constant awareness of family members we lost to the Nazis. That's why I'm defending our Second Amendment right to bear arms. That's why I want people to never forget the Holocaust episode of tyranny that most closely touches my life. That's why this article, which clearly implies that I'm anti-Semitic, is very hurtful. Trent Seibert, the Post reporter who wrote the article, says he did not intend to cast Glass as anti-Semitic or racist. He did not mention the fact that Glass is Jewish because he didn't think it was relevant. It's no more relevant, says Seibert, than the fact that he himself grew up Baptist. I don't know that it's much of a factor, considering the ADL's broad scope when it comes to investigating these groups, Seibert says, explaining that the ADL has expanded its charter to address many issues other than Jewish defamation. How important is his religion, when it comes to groups that the ADL is looking at? I know some of the ADL's concerns are in connection with hate mail, which may or may not have been sent by rogue members of this group to Tom Mauser (gun control advocate). Tom Mauser isn't Jewish. I think what the ADL is concerned about are rogue members who may be attracted to groups such as the Tyranny Response Team make threats or religion. Seibert says he would likely not disclose the race of a black man if the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People investigated the subject for racism against blacks. I don't know that I would mention that either, Seibert says. I hope that I would look at the actions of the individual in question, not his race or religion. I really don't know that it's relevant. It's completely relevant, says former New York University law professor David Kopel, who's Jewish. Kopel has written a rebuttal column about Seibert's story for next Sunday's Post. It's relevant that you are Jewish when you are being looked into by a group that is best known for protecting the interests of Jews, Kopel says. Bob Glass is first and foremost pro-Semitic, and pro civil rights. It's his whole life. Yet this story was very adroit at making insinuations, without crossing a line into libel. Kopel says the story's unfounded, anonymous implication that someone in the Tyranny Response Team may have committed a felony threat against Mauser is outrageous. That's like reporting that some unnamed person suspects, without a shred of evidence, that the Denver Post reporter who wrote this might be a child molester, Kopel says. As for criticism of the types of people who might be attracted to groups such as the Tyranny
[CTRL] AP: 11 Charged in $1M Fraud Scheme (1 week old)
-Caveat Lector- townhall.com Michelle Malkin May 31, 2001 The Department of Embezzlement President Bush's No Child Left Behind school reform proposal passed in the House last week. Considering what a colossal black hole the U.S. Department of Education has become, the $24 billion plan would be more appropriately dubbed: No Dime Left Behind. If Beltway pols were truly interested in educational accountability, they wouldn't be funneling billions of dollars through a government bureaucracy that can't keep track of its funds. The Education Department failed its last three financial audits and is on track to fail again. On the same day the House approved Bush's school spending package, U.S. Attorney Kenneth Wainstein issued indictments against 11 people involved in a theft ring of outside contractors working with Education Department employees. Three former Education Department workers have already pled guilty. I read the federal grand jury's 64-page indictment papers over the weekend. I wish every member of Congress would do the same. This million-dollar criminal enterprise is just the tip of the iceberg of fraudulent federal spending for the children. The ring centered around Elizabeth C. Mellen, an award-winning, high-ranking telecommunications specialist in the Education Department's Office of the Chief Information Officer. Her indicted co-conspirators include her children and husband, an employee at the Environmental Protection Agency; her sister and two nieces (both of whom worked in the Education Department's financial assistance office); her nephew (who worked as a technical specialist in the Education Department's financial assistance office); and a Bell Atlantic employee. Mellen and her family apparently turned the Education Department into their own Home Shopping Network. The indictment says Mellen directed the Bell Atlantic worker, Maurice Hayes, to order equipment through his company's outside contract (paid for by the Education Department and subsidized by taxpayers). She then had various contract employees deliver her $300,000 worth of electronic goods. In exchange, the contract employees collected more than $600,000 in false overtime pay. Mellen's sister reportedly visited her workstation several times to shop from electronics catalogs; others put in their orders by phone or e-mail. According to the indictment, Mellen plundered public funds to pay for: 10 Gateway computers and accessories, 15 printers, 4 Yamaha CD drives, 9 laptops for family birthday and graduation gifts, a 61 Sony television, and 7 cell phones (on which a total of nearly 12,000 calls were made). Also: 169 cordless phones (46 with caller ID, 5 with headsets), 6 Olympus digital cameras and 4 Olympus printers, 8 Sony digital cameras and accessories, 4 Sony digital camcorders and accessories, 4 Sony Handycams and accessories, 4 Sony video Walkmans, 7 PalmPilot personal organizers, 50 Motorola Talkabouts, and 2 Philips audio CD recorders. In addition, Mellen arranged for a toll-free telephone number to be routed through the Education Department so that family members and friends could call Mellen's sister's home in Mechanicsville, Md., without any toll charges. She also ordered the Education Department's Bell Atlantic contract employees, at taxpayer expense, to install an additional phone line in her apartment and an extra phone jack in her sister's home. Finally, Mellen used outside contractors as family chauffeurs and handymen. She ordered them to drive to Baltimore to purchase crab cakes for her, shuttle her daughter and granddaughter to a medical facility, powerwash her son's deck and perform other yard cleanup. The Education Department can't claim such theft is rare. It doesn't know. Government auditors have identified accounting discrepancies totaling up to $6 billion. Federal education aid has been embezzled to pay for luxury cars, real estate, diapers and rent. If this agency were a private company, it would have been shut down by government regulators long ago. Instead, it grows fatter and more unaccountable every year. Republicans, who once led the crusade to eliminate the department, are now tripping over each other to feed the beast. The federal role in education is not to serve the system. It is to serve the children, the Education Department's motto preaches. I imagine Mrs. Mellen told herself the same as she phoned in another electronics order for her children and licked the crab cake crumbs off her light and greasy fingers. === Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list.
Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
From: Bob Stokes Well obviously you have very limited hands-on experience in this arena...I have no experience in this area and have no desire to have a 'backdoor'experience. We weren't talking about YOU having the experience, we were talking about women having the experience with a male partner It is definitely NOT solely in xxx-rated movies that women 'bend overwillingly' (actually one does NOT have to bend over)...you have mycondolences that this has been your personal experienceI am not from California or the northern States where that sort of thing maybe common place. I do not have a 'prison' fantasy. Again, who's talking about a 'prison fantasy' (presumably you mean same-sex?)...the post you were replying to stated that heterosexual women also participate in oral sex and anal sex and practices such as fisting, to which you replied that that only happens in XXX-rated movies. My response is that indeed it is NOT limited to such movies, and I extend my condolences that you obviously have not met a women who enjoys such activities. June Check out Alternative Kite radio at: http://www.live365.com/stations/242153 _Bravenet IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
-Caveat Lector- talk about spliting hairs, arf arf. this is getting silly even by the 'posture's standards --- YnrChyldzWyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bob Stokes Well obviously you have very limited hands-on experience in this arena... I have no experience in this area and have no desire to have a 'backdoor' experience. We weren't talking about YOU having the experience, we were talking about women having the experience with a male partner It is definitely NOT solely in xxx-rated movies that women 'bend over willingly' (actually one does NOT have to bend over)...you have my condolences that this has been your personal experience I am not from California or the northern States where that sort of thing may be common place. I do not have a 'prison' fantasy. Again, who's talking about a 'prison fantasy' (presumably you mean same-sex?)...the post you were replying to stated that heterosexual women also participate in oral sex and anal sex and practices such as fisting, to which you replied that that only happens in XXX-rated movies. My response is that indeed it is NOT limited to such movies, and I extend my condolences that you obviously have not met a women who enjoys such activities. June Check out Alternative Kite radio at: http://www.live365.com/stations/242153 = Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
excellent replies on this subject june and more so that you are a woman telling it to a man. some people's perceptions about any consensual sexual activity (especially something as mundane as anal sex) continue to amuse and sadden me both at the same time. but since bob mentioned prison fantasies in the "northern states" (hehehe) i have been having very odd and exhilirating fantasies all afternoon. thanks bob! you opened me up to something new! now... where is that soap- it must be down there somewhere... - Original Message - From: YnrChyldzWyld To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect? . My response is that indeed it is NOT limited to such movies, and I extend my condolences that you obviously have not met a women who enjoys such activities. June _Bravenet IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
[CTRL] AP: 11 Charged in $1M Fraud Scheme (1 week old)
-Caveat Lector- [Seems to me that they only got the small fish. I wonder where the other $200 million went.? --MS] http://news.excite.com/news/ap/010523/19/education-fraud 11 Charged in $1M Fraud Scheme Updated: Wed, May 23 7:27 PM EDT By GREG TOPPO, AP Education Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - Authorities charged 11 people in what a federal prosecutor called a million-dollar fraud scheme against the Education Department. The suspects, all of whom live in Maryland and the District of Columbia, defrauded the government of more than $300,000 in property and more than $700,000 in false overtime claims, U.S. Attorney Kenneth Wainstein said Wednesday. The indictments are part of a long-term investigation into the department, in which several people, among them three former employees, already pleaded guilty. Wainstein said one suspect, Elizabeth Mellen of Washington, a department employee, ordered computers, cellular telephones, video cameras and other electronics on department accounts but kept the items for herself, friends and family members. Wainstein alleged also that Mellen routed a department toll-free telephone number to a friend's home so relatives could call long-distance; gave friends department cell phones on which they made hundreds or thousands of personal calls; and approved thousands of dollars in overtime pay for employees who either didn't work the hours or used the time to shop for Mellen or install telephone wiring at her home and the homes of others. On one occasion, Wainstein said, workers claimed work time for driving to Baltimore to buy crab cakes for Mellen. Congress has been scrutinizing the department's books since learning last year of theft schemes in which $3 million in grants was stolen. Education Secretary Rod Paige last month said he would appoint an eight-person strike team to hit at waste, fraud and errors in the department. Paige promised to deliver a clean audit in 18 months. The department has a $44.5 billion budget and manages billions more in student loans. In the last three years of the Clinton administration, the department lost track of $450 million, the department's chief inspector told lawmakers last April, although $250 million of it eventually was accounted for. === Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- The Bible also forbids the wearing of cloth made from two kinds of threads and the rounding of the corners of the beard. Why aren't all these rabid homophobes equally upset about people doing those things? They are both far more common than sodomy. Well Nessie, I cannot answer for all people and I certainly do not intend to try. People pick and choose their sins I guess, and then forgive them with a just excuse. Our society does not like sexual things, but yet they do the same things but under a different name and perhaps with a different ideal. I guess it depends on who is doing what to whom and why they are doing it and whether it is consenual or not, then of course it has to come up to societies perspective of rightousness. And when it does not, it is labled this or that, or this is wicked or that is wicked. Now, I am NOT defending child molestations or anything like that, yes that is horrible. People who do such things belong in prison, no doubt about it. As to the bread and thread,,hehehe well, lets not go there for that is a whole new idea and I am sure someone will have something disagreeable to say about it. These things have been discussed for centuries and these things shall continue to be discused for another century no doubt if we exist that long. One persons rightousness is another person sin, so to say. We all see things differently and it also seems no on can even agree to disagree. I myself, do not like many things that happen in society, but I also do not think fighting over them or putting another down for beleiveing in what he or she believes in is the correct path to take either. Everyone has his or her dislikes and everyone has his or her belief system, and according to the constitution we have that right, a right that no one has a right to take away from you, regardless of how bizarre it might be. And it is so funny at times, those who shout consitiutuional rights, sometimes are the very same who would try to take your beleif away from you.. Merely my opinions and I point a finger to no one, ArkAngel _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/4/01 9:10:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is Gomorrahry, anyway? Could it be they drank large quanities of liquid Exlax? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] BR: Torricelli probe turns to banking
-Caveat Lector- Torricelli probe turns to banking Saturday, June 2, 2001 By JEFF PILLETS and ADAM LISBERG The Bergen Record (NJ) Staff Writers Federal investigators probing Sen. Robert G. Torricelli's 1996 campaign are focusing on his dealings with a Bergen County bank and the prominent politicians who run it. An official of Bridge View Bank in Englewood Cliffs confirmed Friday that federal agents bearing a subpoena recently demanded all of Torricelli's bank records, including the transaction histories of his personal accounts. Bank Vice President John Schepisi said the investigators have also asked for account records of others connected to the Democratic senator or his 1996 campaign, including Cresskill commodities broker David Chang. Anybody that had dealings with him -- Chang was one of them, Schepisi said. Chang has already pleaded guilty to giving $53,000 in illegal donations to Torricelli's 1996 Senate campaign. Sources familiar with the probe say investigators are tracking several short-term deposits made into Torricelli's Bridge View accounts and have asked for any records regarding overseas wire transactions. Checks were coming into the account one day and going out the next in the same amount, said one of the sources. What were they used for? Where were they going and why? These are the questions being asked. At least one such check being scrutinized was deposited by Englewood Cliffs Mayor Joseph Parisi Sr. into his own account just days before the election. Parisi, a prominent Democrat, is the bank's chairman. Bergen County Democratic Organization campaign reports describe the $5,500 check as a fundraiser payment from the group. But several sources say federal agents who questioned Parisi remain unclear why he was paid and why he withdrew $5,500 in cash from the bank the day after the check was deposited. Parisi's lawyer, Robert Galantucci of Hackensack, said his client did nothing improper. When the whole truth comes out, he will be vindicated, Galantucci said. Torricelli's office did not respond to a request for comment. His attorneys have said he committed no wrongdoing and contend he is the victim of unscrupulous prosecutors who are leaking damaging allegations to the media. The investigation, which began as part of the Justice Department's Campaign Finance Task Force, has expanded to include Torricelli's personal finances and allegations that he received cash and gifts from Chang. The recent questions about Bridge View reinforce reports that his private dealings are being scrutinized. It is clear that this has moved well past campaign finance and will continue to do so, said one source. Documents reviewed by The Record show that Torricelli's relationship with Bridge View Bank goes back to at least 1996, when the bank served as repository for his campaign treasury in his race against Republican Dick Zimmer. Torricelli also took out a $150,000 home equity loan from Bridge View Bank on March 8, 1996, secured by his Englewood home. The bank note was canceled in June 1998, according to a copy on file in the Bergen County clerk's office. The loan was issued at a variable interest rate of 1.5 percent above prime. Schepisi said he didn't believe Torricelli received any special treatment from the bank. Being a Republican, I wouldn't vote for it, he said. The Bergen County Democratic Organization, which was subpoenaed in March for all documents regarding Torricelli, also kept an account at Bridge View in 1996. In the waning days of the campaign, the Bergen Democrats received tens of thousands of dollars from donors who had no obvious connection to Bergen County, but who had already donated the maximum amount allowed by law to Torricelli. County Democrats also spent tens of thousands on staff and printing bills that investigators believe may be connected to Torricelli's campaign, say sources who have been interviewed by the investigators. Bridge View Bank opened in 1990, part of a wave of small start-up banks with politically connected board members that won state charters in the 1980s. In 1996, when it added branches in Fort Lee and Edgewater, the bank created a holding company, Bridge View Bancorp, which went public on the American Stock Exchange. Bridge View's founders included local political heavyweights from both parties. The Democrats included Parisi; Jeremiah O'Connor, a former state senator and Bergen County freeholder; and Gerald Calabrese, a future chairman of the Bergen Democratic Party and the mayor of Cliffside Park. Founders on the Republican side include Schepisi, who was a former Bergen GOP chairman, and Republican fundraiser J. Fletcher Creamer, whose son, Glenn Creamer, serves on the bank's board. Some of the bank's leaders were generous donors to Torricelli's 1996 campaign. O'Connor, Parisi, and board member Mark Metzger each gave the maximum allowable $2,000, according to federal election records. Other Metzger family members gave
[CTRL] Salon: Dems to White House: Apologize!
-Caveat Lector- http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/06/02/vandal/index.html Salon 6/2/2001 Dems to White House: Apologize! Since the vandal scandal has been debunked, Clinton staffers want their names cleared. By Jake Tapper June 2, 2001 | WASHINGTON -- Standing outside the White House grounds during a cold drizzle Friday, Rep. Anthony Weiner, D-N.Y., and four former Clinton administration staffers demanded an apology from President Bush for the White House vandalism stories leaked by members of his administration and contradicted by a recent General Accounting Office investigation. The vandal scandal stories, consumed by the media like ecstasy at a rave, were spread by anonymous White House sources, and given on-the-record credibility by White House press secretary Ari Fleischer, whom Weiner called shameless. The stories were deemed false in a letter from the GAO after an investigation that was requested by Weiner's House Judiciary Committee colleague Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga. The letter was released with comparatively little press attention two weeks ago. A GAO study has confirmed there was no destruction of keyboards, no graffiti, there was no vandalism, Weiner said. Flanking Weiner were Rob Housman, an attorney and former assistant director of the White House drug policy office; Jeff Gulko, who also worked in the drug policy office; Bridger McGaw, former assistant press secretary to Vice President Al Gore; and Matthew Donoghue, former director of communications for the American Heritage Rivers Initiative. White House spokesman Scott McClellan pointed out, however, that there is no actual GAO 'report,' which the congressman refers to in his letter. There's just a letter from GAO. McClellan seemed to imply what others at the Bush White House have been telling reporters on background since the letter from Bernard Ungar, the GAO director of physical infrastructure, was reported two weeks ago: that the vandalism did, indeed, take place, but the White House didn't cooperate with the GAO investigation. One anonymous aide told the Associated Press: We never kept a list of all the incidents, and therefore did not have anything to turn over. That doesn't mean the incidents didn't happen. We just were pleased to let the matter fade so that people could return to the focus on policy. McClellan seemed to be coming from the same vantage point as the unnamed source in the AP story. 'There is no record of damage that may have been deliberately caused by employees of the Clinton administration,' stressed McClellan, reading from the GAO letter. 'White House repair records do not contain information on the causes of damages being repaired.' In a recent op-ed in the Washington Post, former Clinton White House press secretary Jake Siewert blamed the fracas almost entirely on the media, but that's not how Weiner and many of Siewert's former colleagues see it. I believe that the responsibility for this largely lies with the White House, said Weiner. They fed this story, they nurtured this story, they spread this story. This was, in Weiner's estimation, part of a strategy by the nascent Bush administration to toss up as much dust and smoke about the Clinton administration to give themselves a soft landing. It makes good copy to say 'Well, there's a new sheriff in town, and we don't vandalize offices.' Well, neither did the preceding administration. At the Friday press conference, Weiner specifically singled out McClellan's boss, Fleischer, as particularly culpable for the story getting play in the press. He quoted Fleischer from the White House briefing on the day the story became big news, saying, You know, I really stopped paying attention to all the places where vandalism supposedly took place, as well as another comment he made referring to a White House staffer cataloguing the alleged damage done. Weiner called Fleischer shameless in his deeds here. Hard-working Clinton staffers were being used as cannon fodder, Weiner said. Donoghue referred to the incident as a uniquely Capitol punishment, and that is the besmirching of our reputations. Standing here, all I can think of is what Ray Donovan said years ago, which is 'Where do I go to get my reputation back?' And that's why we're here today. Donovan, President Reagan's labor secretary, was singled out by name as the first Cabinet secretary ever investigated by an independent counsel. He was acquitted of bribery charges on May 25, 1987. Conversely, no Clinton staffers were investigated or even named, and unless you were paying really close attention to the American Heritage Rivers Initiative, you probably have never heard of Donoghue. When pressed by a reporter about how much of his reputation had actually been besmirched, Donoghue said that the vandalism scandal affected his life through sly digs at parties and relatives asking questions: 'Were you involved in that? Did you do this?' Additionally, said Donoghue, for those of us seeking work, it's left a
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- And it is so funny at times, those who shout consitiutuional rights, sometimes are the very same who would try to take your beleif away from you.. Sort of like the left-wing eh? These being the same people who demand tolerance and diversity for homosexuality inter alia and then routinely demand that there be no tolerance for diverse religious, ethical and/or socio-political views that differ from theirs. God forbid that tolerance should be considered universally inclusive. Merely my opinions and I point a finger to no one, ArkAngel _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Israeli army enters Gaza land after mortar blasts (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Note: The Israelis have confirmed that 3 of those killed in Tel Aviv were soldiers. In addition, Palestinian sources say that some others were fully trained for the military by the IDF. Israeli army enters Gaza land after mortar blasts GAZA CITY, June 4 - Agence France Presse Israeli army tanks and bulldozers entered areas under full Palestinian control in the Gaza Strip overnight near a Jewish settlement that came under mortar fire, a Palestinian security official said Monday. In the first such raid since last Wednesday, army bulldozers destroyed around 50 dunums (five hectares or 12 acres) of greenhouses, vegetable patches and olive trees at Deir al-Balah next to the Kfar Darom settlement in the central Gaza Strip, the official said. They left barbed wire on the land after withdrawing, residents said. The settlement was hit by several mortar bombs fired by Palestinians from the Deir al-Balah area, the Israeli army said, after Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat on Saturday ordered a complete ceasefire against all Israeli targets. The blasts caused no injuries or damage, an army spokesman said. Palestinians are still expecting massive retaliation by the Israeli army for a suicide bomb which killed 20 people in Tel Aviv on Friday. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] SYRIA: The case of Hilal Abdel Razaq Ali (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- SYRIA: The case of Hilal Abdel Razaq Ali Hilal Abdel Razaq Ali: Married with one daughter and three sons. A British citizen (Iraqi origin), who disappeared in Syria since the 25th July 2000 remains in captivity by the Syrian Security Services. He is being subjected to torture and is detained at the Palestinian Branch of the General Syrian Security Service. The wife was visited by the Intelligence Service and the father in law died after he was put under pressure to pay $16,000. For more details read here: http://www.shrc.org/english/campaigns/hilal_ali/index.htm A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- very true yardbird, very true ArkAngel - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride -Caveat Lector- And it is so funny at times, those who shout consitiutuional rights, sometimes are the very same who would try to take your beleif away from you.. Sort of like the left-wing eh? These being the same people who demand tolerance and diversity for homosexuality inter alia and then routinely demand that there be no tolerance for diverse religious, ethical and/or socio-political views that differ from theirs. God forbid that tolerance should be considered universally inclusive. Merely my opinions and I point a finger to no one, ArkAngel _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- the same people who demand tolerance and diversity for homosexuality inter alia and then routinely demand that there be no tolerance for diverse religious, ethical and/or socio-political views that differ from theirs. What they are demanding is that there me no legal hegemony for religious, ethical and/or socio-political views that differ from theirs. This is quite different from demanding no tolerance. They are on hundred percent correct in doing this. No religious group should have the arms and wealth of the state at its disposal to force the rest of us to conform to the tenets of their religion. If your religion forbids homosexuality (or pork or beef or whatever) don't do it. Never violate the tenets of your religion. It leads only to cognitive dissonance. But dont try to use force to make the rest of us practice your religion. History is abundantly clear what this leads to, bloody war after bloody war after bloody war. Enough is enough. Agree to disagree. Live and let live. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride History is abundantly clear what this leads to, bloody war after bloody war after bloody war. Enough is enough. Agree to disagree. Live and let live. but the problem is that it is people in privelaged positions within these religious organisations that are protecting the status quo- not for religious reasons, but for whatever wealth their position brings them. what you say is pious and would only work for the pious within religious orgs- but i fear there are very few of them. oops- actually when i say religious org i really mean any belief system be it dogma or catma that clashes with another belief system. or something. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] New trojan horse lets cyber-cops snoop
-Caveat Lector- New trojan horse lets cyber-cops snoop -- New software with which law-enforcement agents can secretly monitor suspects' computer activities has been developed by Codex Data Systems. In marketing to police, the company boasts, imagine being able to remotely monitor any PC in the world anytime you want. (06/04/01) http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/19404.html A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Breaking News: Standoff has ended
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 06/03/2001 10:11:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The bulk of this release has been composed over the last two days. As you will see, it is our contention that this is a land grab, and the the children and the international media attention got in the way. Well, we just moments ago learned that we were more right than we thought and certain members of Bonner County government are intimately involved in the foreclosure, seizure and disposal of the McGuckin property to pave the way for a real estate development. Of course I have no knowledge of this matter, but as my husband and I watched the news on television at our motel, he said, Look at that beautiful lake; it's a ruse to get the land for a developer. My only comment was, I hope they don't kill the kids to protect them from the possibility of neglect. I thought it was a cross between the Donald Scott matter and Ruby Ridge. Perhaps it is. Folks in Idaho hate to see good property in the hands of the poor. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush daughter allegedly tried to buy alcohol
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 05/31/2001 12:12:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't recall Democrats starting the Family Values moral club-on-the head game, and I don't recall Chelsea Clinton struggling with these issues. Seems their grandma was quoted as saying, What goes around, comes around. That might be interpreted in several ways, but I prefer to think she's referring to the enthusiastic drinking habits of her son which have now been inherited by his daughters and are proving a bit of an embarrassment. Still I don't care if the girls are absolute lushes. It is only a few Republicans who think the country should pattern its behavior after the behavior of those in public office and their families. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher
-Caveat Lector- I covered my behind -- I didn't specify what KIND of help. Could be anything from a cold shower to hospitalization to getting married :-D Tenorlove --- Dale Stonehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- This is 100 percent right. Personally I am 100 percent certain that snip __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OKBOMB--Charles Key interview
-Caveat Lector- Revealing the truth about OKC http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23076 Geoff Metcalf interviews bombing investigator Charles Key SUNDAY, JUNE 3, 2001 Editor's note: Charles Key, a former Oklahoma legislator, is in charge of likely the most comprehensive independent investigation of the Oklahoma City bombing tragedy ever undertaken. As chairman of the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee, Key is putting the finishing touches on the panel's final report a 500-page document that includes revelations and eyewitness testimony that have not been reported anywhere else. Much of the data starkly contradict the official government explanation of the bombing. WorldNetDaily writer and talk-show host Geoff Metcalf recently interviewed Key about his eye-opening findings. By Geoff Metcalf Question: When do you expect to release the final report of the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee? Answer: All the recent developments and just the enormity of the case have caused us to get bogged down. We're working on it as you and I speak and are hoping that it goes to press this week. Q: This has been a work in progress for some time, but just recently we had four FBI agents on 60 Minutes II say they are not surprised that evidence was ignored. Notwithstanding the protestation of Attorney General Ashcroft and others, it looks like there are still things continuing to unfold after all this time. A: Yes, they are. There is so much more to this case, and I hope I sure hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist but I hope this isn't some form of damage control. There are big issues with the Oklahoma City bombing, particularly with the FBI and the Justice Department, how they handled this case and how they have been operating for quite some time even in relation to many other well-known cases and not so well-known cases. They are what need to be investigated. Q: I've been meaning to ask you something for some time. I remember when we first spoke. I think it was shortly after Brig. Gen. Ben Partin joined me on the air and presented an overwhelmingly compelling case that the Ryder truck bomb just could not have done the job that was done. This has become kind of an avocation for you. What sucked you in to devote so much energy on this? A: It's not something that you can really foresee. I couldn't foresee that I would still be involved in this six years later, that it would have taken me down this path and I would have experienced all the things I have experienced. But that's the way it is. The bottom line is, I care about the truth, and as idealistic as that sounds, that's as simple as it is. Q: I remember when it happened, we had people who went down to Oklahoma City and watched things unfold. There were a number of things that were just really hinky. First you have Ben Partin's analysis. Then there are the contemporaneous reports that were coming out from witnesses that day. Did any of that stuff ever make it into court in the Tim McVeigh trial? A: There is a little bit of witness testimony that got into either Tim McVeigh's or Terry Nichols' trial. As a matter of fact, just recently the New York Times was the first to report about one of these lead sheets, one of the documents from these recent FBI files called a lead sheet. That person's testimony was heard in the Nichols trial. As the story goes, an attempt was made to discredit him. He's one of the many witnesses that are as credible as anybody you would ever want to find, and his testimony was ignored. That's very common in this case. Q: One of these FBI agents said one of the things that got him cooking was some of the stuff he worked on. He was personally involved in collecting evidence, and the evidence just sort of went away. A: I hope that guy is real honest and sincere about this. I know there are good people in the FBI like there are anywhere else. On the other hand, we have experienced situations where an FBI agent looks at a witness right in the eyes after he tells his story and says he's going to report the information a different way. An agent and this witness had an exchange three times, and the witness comes back and says, No. That's not what I said. He tells his story again, and the agent says, Well, I'm going to report it this way. The witness says, No. That's not the way it happened. The third time, the agent says, Well, I'm just going to write it down that way anyway. That's the kind of things we're dealing with, not just in the Oklahoma City bombing case but with the FBI and the Justice Department. And it has to be fixed. It hasn't been addressed, and it's a mechanism that is in place that goes beyond whatever administration happens to take over every four years. It's a problem with the institution. My information is the FBI hasn't even been audited in almost 50 years. Q: I've heard the same allegation. Do you think Tim McVeigh is going to roll a seven on June 11? A: No, I don't. If anybody deserves to get
Re: [CTRL] Propaganda's Triumph
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 05/30/2001 7:29:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Jeffords defection, which cost Republicans control of the Senate, ripped off the genteel masks big time. The Wall Street Journal dubbed Jeffords âa big babyâ in one online editorial. âBenedict Jeffords,â howled the headline of the New York Post. The National Reviewâs Jonah Goldberg observed ruefully, âI know that itâs illegal to sew a half-starved weasel into his small intestine, but there are other options.â [For a compilation of these and other conservative comments about Jeffords, see The Washington Post, May 25, 2001] It is odd, but there was a time when Republicans were not what they are today. They were politically conservative people who believed in every individual's right to be responsible to and for his or her situation or actions. Some place along the line, they evolved into a corporate controlled group of robots who march in lockstep and who have little interest in the rightre told to s or beliefs of the individual. They are required to vote and speak exactly as they are told. Mr. Jeffords just happens to be of the old school. He discovered that one can no longer have a mind of one's own if one wants to be in the Republican Party. It is indeed a pity that for Republicans, obedience is all that counts. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] US Bars Kissinger In Pinochet Probe
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 05/30/2001 7:15:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the US embassy in Paris told a French court that Mr Kissinger had other obligations and was unable to appear, judicial sources said on condition of anonymity. The former US secretary of state under Presidents Richard M Nixon and Gerald Ford, was under no legal obligation to answer the summons. A spokesman for the US embassy said officials wished the court had not gone directly to Mr Kissinger with the request. It wouldn't do for the world to discover the true nature of Mr. Kissinger. What a hoot! Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] UFO over Glasgow Scotland
-Caveat Lector- SCOTTISH DAILY RECORD monday june4 2001 page3 TAKE ME TO YOUR READER Record Photographer Mark snaps a UFO This is the moment a daily record photographer dramatically captured a UFO in his lens. Award winning snapper Mark Runnacles caught the amazing image on film as he took pictures of a sunrise over Glasgow. Now the Ministryt of Defence are to investigate [yeah right:)] Mark 27, took the pictures from his flat in broomhill drive in the citys west end looking towards high flats in kelvinside and the campsie hills. but he didn't spot the flying saucer shaped object until he examined the pictures later. one shot at 4.40am on saturady clearly shows a disk hovering. photos taken minutes later show a green glowing shape . 'UFO expert ron halliday of SEMR said 'ufo pictures are very few and far between so a sequence like this is excellent' there have been a lot of UFO sightings reported between glasgow and the campsies. The national air traffic service had no other reports of the sighting. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OK Bomb Articles On Konformist.com
-Caveat Lector- OK Bomb Articles On Konformist.com http://www.konformist.com/2001/okbomb-fbi.htm byJim Redden [EMAIL PROTECTED] INSIDE THE NEW OKLAHOMA CITY FBI DOCUMENTS What could possibly be in the thousands of pages of FBI records that the government withheld from the lawyers representing Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols? How about proof or a larger conspiracy, or evidence that the government knew about the bomb plot in advance? Here's a look at where some of that information might come from, excerpted from Jim Redden's book Snitch Culture (Feral House, 2000): WHAT DID THEY KNOW ... AND WHEN DID THEY KNOW IT According to the U.S. Justice Department, the government's mishandling of the Waco stand-off led directly to the largest single act of domestic terrorism in United States history, the April 19, 1995 bombing of the Alfred E. Murrah federal official building in Oklahoma City. Federal prosecutors claim that former U.S. Army buddies Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols blew up the building to avenge the death of the Davidians. But at least one informant had tipped the government off to the plot in advance, raising the question of why it was allowed to proceed. At the very least, news reports and court records suggest the government and private advocacy groups were tracking McVeigh years before the bombing. He visited Waco during the 51-day siege, talking with other government critics and openly selling anti-New World Order literature and bumper stickers on the hood of a car. As it turns out, the government was watching those who came to show their support for the Davidians. The FBI kept tabs on 'right-wing' sympathizers who flocked to Waco during the siege and monitored Internet traffic, the Associated Press reported on October 9, 1999. Shortly after McVeigh was arrested for the bombing, the Cable News Network reported that he had come to attention of undercover government operatives at an Arizona gun show. At that time, McVeigh was reportedly making a living buying and selling weapons and anti- government literature at gun shows around the country. The report did not say whether the operatives were BATF agents or paid informants. Another sign that the government was or should have been aware of McVeigh surfaced on April 21, two days after the Oklahoma City bombing, when the Anti-Defamation League issued a press release tying McVeigh to The Spotlight, a populist weekly newspaper with anti- Semitic overtones published by a small, far-right, conspiracy-minded organization based in Washington DC called the Liberty Lobby. The ADL release, which was picked up by the Washington Post, said that McVeigh had purchased a classified advertisement in the August 9, 1993 issue of The Spotlight to sell rocket launchers. According to the ADL, McVeigh purchased the ad under the name T. Tuttle. The ADL press release was mostly accurate. McVeigh had bought an ad for a flare gun he called a Law Launcher replica using the name T. Tuttle. But how did the ADL know about the ad? The ADL either had someone close to McVeigh, or the government was tracking him and sharing the information with the organization. In the months following the bombing, the government alleged that McVeigh and Nichols were assisted in the bomb plot by one or more John Does. A drawing of John Doe # 2 was released and widely circulated. As time went on, however, the government backed down from this claim, eventually saying that McVeigh and Nichols acted alone. Many independent reporters and researchers still believe that other people were involved in the plot, however. A freelance journalist named J.D. Cash was the first to report that McVeigh and at least a half-dozen other men planned the bombing at Elohim City, a Christian Identity community called in rural Oklahoma. McVeigh had been tied to Elohim City shortly after he was arrested. The phone card mentioned in the ADL press release had been used to call the community two weeks before the bombing. On February 11, 1997, Cash published a story in the small McCurtain Daily Gazette which revealed that a BATF informant named Carol Howe had infiltrated Elohim City before the bombing. Howe had seen McVeigh (whom she knew as Tuttle) and a number of other residents and visitors plotting to blow up the Oklahoma City federal office building in late 1994. Although these allegations were largely ignored by the corporate press, they were later confirmed by internal BATF documents which proved Howe was an informant, that she saw McVeigh and other plotting to blow up the Alfred E. Murrah building, and she notified her superiors of the plot before the actual bombing. The key to Howe's story is Elohim City, a primitive community founded Robert Millar, a right-wing preacher. It was a common meeting place for militant white supremacists over the years, including members of The Order, a racist gang that murdered Jewish radio talk show host Alan Berg and staged a series of high-profile bank robberies in the
Re: [CTRL] Israeli army enters Gaza land after mortar blasts (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Yardbird wrote: -Caveat Lector- Note: The Israelis have confirmed that 3 of those killed in Tel Aviv were soldiers. In addition, Palestinian sources say that some others were fully trained for the military by the IDF. All Israelis are drafted into the military after high school. What your point is here I don't know, unless you are trying to suggest that the brave Palestinian hero who blew up all those people was fighting the IDF. I hope you don't think people are that dumb. Do you? Joshua2 Israeli army enters Gaza land after mortar blasts GAZA CITY, June 4 - Agence France Presse Israeli army tanks and bulldozers entered areas under full Palestinian control in the Gaza Strip overnight near a Jewish settlement that came under mortar fire, a Palestinian security official said Monday. In the first such raid since last Wednesday, army bulldozers destroyed around 50 dunums (five hectares or 12 acres) of greenhouses, vegetable patches and olive trees at Deir al-Balah next to the Kfar Darom settlement in the central Gaza Strip, the official said. They left barbed wire on the land after withdrawing, residents said. The settlement was hit by several mortar bombs fired by Palestinians from the Deir al-Balah area, the Israeli army said, after Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat on Saturday ordered a complete ceasefire against all Israeli targets. The blasts caused no injuries or damage, an army spokesman said. Palestinians are still expecting massive retaliation by the Israeli army for a suicide bomb which killed 20 people in Tel Aviv on Friday. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: Father of Children in Idaho Stalemate Came From Prominent Boston Family
-Caveat Lector- Jun 4, 2001 16:00 EDT Father of Children in Idaho Stalemate Came From Prominent Boston Family By Justin Pope Associated Press Writer BOSTON (AP) - He lived off the grid in the forests of Idaho, and his children were raised to fear and distrust the government. But Michael McGuckin was hardly a typical mountain man, with roots in a well-known Boston family and a prep-school education from Groton. McGuckin, who suffered from multiple sclerosis, died May 12 of dehydration and malnutrition. His wife, JoAnn, was arrested last week on child-neglect charges, triggering a five-day standoff at their home between their children and authorities outside Garfield Bay, Idaho. One of the children surrendered Thursday, and the remaining five gave up on Saturday after negotiators promised to try to help them stay together. Deputies had waited them out because the children were believed to be armed. The confrontation surprised people who had known McGuckin as a polite and engaging entrepreneur and a talented musician. He was an enormously likable, highly successful, highly intelligent man, Francis Laidlaw, the former husband of Michael McGuckin's sister, said Monday. He was not a separatist in any way, shape or form - the antithesis of that. But classmates of McGuckin's at Groton, the prestigious Massachusetts boarding school, said they had few memories of him even though there were just 44 students in the class of 1957, and one remembered him as an unfriendly oddball. I don't know of a single person who fit the definition of a friend of his, recalled classmate Jonathan Yardley, now the book editor and a columnist at The Washington Post. He was not a friendly guy. McGuckin's father was a Harvard-educated stockbroker and his mother was a Shreve, of the well-known Boston jeweler Shreve Crump Low Co. After Groton, McGuckin ended up with Yardley at the University of North Carolina, where Yardley said he continued to carry a chip on his shoulder. McGuckin later served in the Army, where he learned to speak Arabic, and then started a number of businesses, including a furniture company. But his attempt to build a sawmill in Idaho failed and the family fell into poverty and reportedly became increasingly withdrawn, rejecting help from neighbors. It's just incomprehensible to me, Laidlaw said. He was a veteran for one thing, and certainly if they were without funds he could have gone to some VA hospital and gotten some relief. But he was a proud man. He was a back-to-the land type person, but he had a purpose to go there, Laidlaw said. He was even talking at one time of establishing a haven for underprivileged children. The last time Laidlaw spoke with McGuckin was three years ago. McGuckin was already suffering the effects of his disease, but it was mentioned only briefly as they discussed music. McGuckin played several styles of guitar and Arabic instruments. At the end of the conversation I said I always loved the way he played, he said. And the sad part was when he said he couldn't even hold an instrument anymore. This story can be found at : http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAYVJJNKNC.html A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Official Bilderberg release
This is being sent on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] as part of the mailing list that you joined. List: PEPIS URL: http://www.bilderberg.org 2001 'Press Release'and 'participant list' Typical Bilderberg 'doublespeak' this document is in fact neither a press release nor a complete participant list. There is clear evidence from past years that politically sensitive participants are not listed. This list is not sent out before the conference, so it is not a press release. PRESS RELEASE BILDERBERG MEETINGS 24 May 2001 The 49th Bilderberg Meeting will be held in Stenungsund, Sweden 24-27th May 2001. Among other subjects the conference will discuss Defence, China/Japan, Russia, Europe, Productivity, Agriculture, Middle East, Globalisation. Approximately 110 participants from North America and Europe will attend the discussions. The meeting is private in order to encourage frank and open discussion. [and so that commitments made by politicians to businessmen and bankers can remain secret] Bilderberg takes its name from the hotel in Holland where the first meeting took place in May 1954. That pioneering meeting grew out of the concern expressed by leading citizens on both sides of the Atlantic that Western Europe and North America were not working together as closely as they should on common problems of critical importance. It was felt that regular off-the-record discussions would help create a better understanding of the complex forces and major trends affecting Western nations in the difficult post-war period. The Cold War has now ended [and we might ask ourselves: was it real?] But in practically all respects there are more, not fewer, common problems - from trade to jobs, from monetary policy to investment, from ecological challenges to the task of promoting of international security. It is hard to think of any major issue in either Europe or North America whose unilateral solution would not have repercussions for the other. Thus the concept of a European-American forum has not been overtaken by time. The dialogue between these two regions is still - even increasingly - critical. What is unique about Bilderberg as a forum is the broad cross-section of leading citizens that are assembled for nearly three days of informal and off-the-record discussions about topics of current concern especially in the fields of foreign affairs and the international economy; the strong feeling among participants that in view of the differing attitudes and experiences of the Western Nations, there remains a clear need to further develop an understanding in which these concerns can be accommodated; the privacy of the meetings, which has no purpose other than to allow participants to speak their minds openly and freely. In short, Bilderberg is a small, flexible, informal and off-the-record international forum in which different viewpoints can be expressed and mutual understanding enhanced. Bilderberg's only activity is it's annual conference.[you forgot the steering group, which invites speakers and meets more frequently]. At the meetings no resolutions are proposed, no votes taken, and no policy statements issued [at least none that are attributed to Bilderberg]. Since 1954, forty-seven conferences have been held. The names of the participants are made available to the press. Participants are chosen for their experience, their knowledge, and their standing; all participants attend Bilderberg in a private and not an official capacity. There are usually about 120 participants of whom about two-thirds come from Europe and the balance from North America. About one third are from government and politics, and two-thirds from finance, industry, labor, education, communications. Participants have agreed not to give interviews to the press during the meeting. In contacts with the news media after the conference it is an established rule that no attribution should be made to individual participants of what was discussed during the meeting. There will be no press conference. A list of participants is appended. 24 May 2001 BILDERBERG MEETINGS Stenungsund, Sweden24-27May 2001 LIST OF PARTICIPANTS Honorary Secretary General - Taylor, Martin J Honorary Chairman - Davignon, Etienne USA. Allaire, Paul A. - Chairman of the board of directors and CEO, Xerox Corporation DK. Andersen, Bodil Nyboe - Governor, Central Bank of Denmark GB. Balls, Ed - Chief Economic Adviser, Spads, HM Treasury P. Balsemão, Francisco Pinto - Professor of Communication Science, New University of Lisbon; Chairman, Impresa SGPS; Former Prime Minister. S. Barnevik, Percy - Chairman, Investor AB and ABB (Asea Brown Boveri Ltd.) N. Bergesen, Jr. Finn - Administrative director, NHO (Confederation of Norwegian Business and Industry) I. Bernabè, Franco - Chairman, Franco Bernabè Group; International Board of the World Economic Forum; Special
[CTRL] [prj] Disclosure Project -- a political context.
-Caveat Lector- Update: Disclosure Project -- a political context. From: Dick Farley [EMAIL PROTECTED] National Affairs Correspondent The American UFO Newsletter Washington, DC USA (X-Ref: NRO, Space Policy, Space Weaponization; UFO/ET Disclosure, et al.) Dick Farley refs. Larry Bryant's letter to Senator John Warner (appended): No doubt this following news story is simple coincidence, but that point may be lost on Senator Warner as a UFO faction apparently seeks some resonance with the Disclosure Project's effort? Might it not be prudent to couch assessment of the UFO issue as presented by Greer, et al., in their own expressed context, i.e., space weapons? Why focus on this element of the UFO problem to the exclusion of a range of alternative or collateral possibilities, like mind control or theologicals or psychiatrically driven misperceptions, or even good old counterintelligence ops? I note that few have commented on the political context of Greer's, et al.'s, media event and the seeming breakdown of its internal structure since astronaut and spiritual pioneer Edgar Mitchell has apparently disavowed Disclosure Project's use of his and astronaut Gordon Cooper's names in their promotional materials and advance news blurbs. And it is notable that retail UFO operatives of the longer-standing variety are uniformly opposed to Greer's efforts and have been wheeling the guns around and targeting Greer, Sheehan Company. Why this odd behavior? Can we see any subtle ironies in a wrapping of traditional UFOlogical issues in the Greer-Sheehan-Rosin peace-through-surrender approach to ET alien contact? I appreciate that many believe Disclosure Project to be simply a counter-intell spin as was run during the first Star Wars bluff of the USSR, with many of the same folks as principles who later surfaced as key UFO alien abduction advocates. This one is now aimed at the PRC and Russia as a means of advancing our nonproliferation agenda without our having to build any whiz-bang space weapons just now, and certainly not having to drag a saucer or two out of their Hangar 18's or Area 51's resting places and see light of budgetary day on The Hill or be subjected to a UN treaty bargaining process or spark a new space race to exploit exotic technology. The diplomats and most military leaders of all three nations certainly see through this, so is this UFO gig a campaign to stimulate various sympathetic constituencies in the three big nations? Who is really paying for it and what are its deeper goals? That plus the history of Daniel Sheehan's political involvements, and Carol Rosin's seeming apologia for Werner Von Braun's Nazi past (at Saturday's Disclosure Project symposium, which had a no audio or video recording rule but which I did attend, including Rosin's and Greer's final speeches), make this effort problematic. Do they seriously expect any Hill staffers to look favorably on any of this? Why? Here we must note that there seem to be real controversies inside the government and among our intell folks about weaponizing space. No less a space peacenik than USAF Lt. Col. Bruce M. DeBlois, writing in the Winter 1998 issue of Airpower Journal (www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/apj/apj98/win98/deblois.html) advocates preserving a Space Sanctuary: A Viable National Strategy. DeBlois is reported to be Division Chief of Strategic Studies and Assessments at the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO). And current SecDEF Rumsfeld's advocacy for the NMD Shield and A-SAT defensive and offensive weapons notwithstanding, DeBlois apparently is not alone at Pentagonia in believing that space should be off-limits for EarthWar, fearing that a space-weapons race is unwinnable yet prone to limitless escalation. Perhaps that is partly why Rumsfeld last week said he will assign one of his new Assistant Secretaries of the Air Force to direct the NRO, while a four-star USAF general will be named to overall command of US space forces and asssets? The reference to DeBlois and his article is included in a book review of On the Edge of Space: The Future of American Space Power, authored by Stephen Lambakis and published in 2001 by University Press of Kentucky, reviewed by Mike Moore for The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists (May/June 2001, page 68-71). Mr. Lambakis, an analyst at the National Institute for Public Policy according to the review, calls US space policy for the past 50 years schizophrenic, then: argues that it's time to abandon the sanctuary policy and get on with the task of exploiting space more fully. Quoting Lambakis (in the review): The US way of war requires superiority in all of the war-fighting environments. The ability to control space, therefore, will be a critical component of a future deterrence strategy to prevent hostile acts in space and on Earth. (End quote.) Obviously, neither invading space aliens or more traditional terrestrial adversaries will look with sanguinity on American development deployment
[CTRL] FBI Troubles Could Imperil Carnivore
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/News/B8E0D40914CCE19E86256A5 F00615FD7?OpenDocument Headline=FBI%27s%20troubles%20could%20imperil%20its%20system%20of%20e-mail%20s urveillance FBI's troubles could imperil its system of e-mail surveillance By jon Sawyer Post-Dispatch Washingtion bureau 06/02/2001 (Ron Edmonds/AP) WASHINGTON - The FBI's recent troubles could imperil the e-mail surveillance system that the agency developed and that critics have blasted as a threat to individual privacy. The fate of the surveillance system, called Carnivore, will be addressed first by Attorney General John Ashcroft. He delayed completion of an internal review of the program when the FBI was rocked by controversy over its misplaced documents in the case against Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh. The Carnivore system had been endorsed by former Attorney General Janet Reno and received a qualified vote of confidence in an outside review last December by the Illinois Institute of Technology. Ashcroft, a leader on privacy issues during his term in the Senate, had taken a more skeptical stance even before the McVeigh disclosures. If Ashcroft gives the surveillance system his approval, it will immediately be the focus of scrutiny on Capitol Hill, especially in the Senate Judiciary Committee. Committee staff members said incoming Democratic Chairman Patrick Leahy of Vermont would announce Sunday that he plans hearings on FBI oversight as one of his first agenda items this summer. Committee spokesman David Carle said Leahy has concerns not just about Carnivore and the McVeigh case but also reports of mishandled documents and resistance to cooperation in connection with the bureau's crime lab, its handling of the Robert Hanssen spy investigation and its response to the inquiry by former Sen. John C. Danforth, R-Mo., into the FBI's fatal 1993 raid on the Branch Davidian complex in Waco, Texas. Carle said Leahy intends to address these "problem areas" because they "raise concerns about a culture at the FBI that makes it difficult for the bureau to admit and correct mistakes." Judiciary Committee staff said the hearings planned for this summer will also address the proposal by Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., to establish an independent inspector general for the FBI who would report to the attorney general and to Congress. The Justice Department's inspector general now has oversight for the entire department, including the FBI. Also pending: a raft of proposals aimed at buttressing privacy protection, among them legislation that would require Internet service providers to obtain permission in advance before distributing financial, health or consumption information on individual users. Critics say the proposals could add tens of billions of dollars in business costs; supporters say the cost will be much smaller and worth the price in terms of individual privacy. Leahy has championed such proposals in the past and is likely to take the lead again, according to specialists in the field. But they note that this issue cuts across normal political lines, embracing conservatives like Ashcroft and Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga., as well. "I don't see that much difference between this administration and the last," said Robert E. Litan, director of economic studies at the Brookings Institution. Litan cited Bush's surprise decision to let stand the new rules on protection of medical-records privacy proposed last December by President Bill Clinton. "The right wing of the Republican Party is very nervous about privacy, just as liberal Democrats are," Litan said. "It's one of the only things these people agree on - that they don't want their names tossed about without their permission." For the Bush administration one of the first tests in the privacy battles will be Ashcroft's call on Carnivore, a software program that the FBI touts as an essential weapon against Internet crime and that critics view as an invitation to FBI abuse. The Carnivore system has been used 30 times so far, the FBI says, each time pursuant to a court-approved search warrant. The software, when linked to an Internet Service Provider, lets the FBI scan for e-mail messages that the target subject has transmitted or received. The bureau says built-in controls limit the intercepts to addresses only, not the actual content of e-mail messages, and that FBI technicians work closely with their counterparts at the ISPs. The bureau says its only mistake in developing the program was coming up with a name that makes it sound more threatening than it is. "The name was really done with pretty innocent intentions," said spokesman Paul Bressin. He recalled that when the system was under development in 1999, the daughter of one of the engineers happened to be studying dinosaurs in school. "Carnivore" was really "just a cutesy way of picking a name that sticks in the mind," Bressin said. "We obviously didn't realize that the name itself would get us in more trouble than
[CTRL] Hmmm...US Army Haliburton Partner In Recruiting Program
http://www.dtic.mil/armylink/news/May2001/a20010522pays0521.html U.S. Army, Halliburton partner in recruiting program FORT KNOX, Ky. (Army News Service, May 21, 2001) -- The U.S. Army Recruiting Command and Halliburton Company signed an agreement May 16 to provide priority hiring status to qualified soldiers participating in the Partnership for Youth Success Program. Halliburton Company, founded in 1919, is the world's largest provider of products and services to the petroleum and energy industries. The company serves its customers with a broad range of products and services through its Energy Services Group and Engineering and Construction Group business segments. Halliburton is the tenth company to join the PaYS program since its launch in June, 2000. Participating in the ceremonial signing were Maj. Gen. Dennis D. Cavin, commander, U.S. Army Recruiting Command and Margaret Carriere, vice president of Human Resources for Halliburton. "We are excited about our new partnership and Halliburton's commitment to today's youth who serve in the Army," said Cavin. "Soldiers know as they leave the Army, after completing a two, three or four-year enlistment, that there is a Fortune 500 company with job diversity and international reach offering fantastic employment opportunities for them." PaYS, a strategic partnership program between the Army and major U.S. companies, helps the Army attract and train talented young people while guaranteeing participating companies a consistent, dedicated flow of skilled and responsible job candidates, according to Cavin. Under terms of the agreement between USAREC and Halliburton, young enlistees interested in gaining specific job training and qualifications will receive that training while in the U.S. Army. As part of the enlistment process, recruits sign a letter of intent to work for Halliburton upon completion of their term of service. As the end of their terms of service approach, the soldiers will then have an opportunity to interview with Halliburton for a specific job at a specific location. "In a program such as this one everybody wins," said Carriere. "Young people who may not have the resources to go to college to receive training and skills; the Army receives enlistees ready to serve our country; and U.S. companies such as Halliburton receive access to a pool of well-trained and experienced talent. We are very excited to be a part of this program."
[CTRL] Skolnick- McVeigh Fraud Upon The Court
http://www.skolnicksreport.com McVeigh And 'Fraud Upon The Court' By Sherman H. Skolnick 6-3-1 There is one term lawyers seldom study about or use. Perhaps reading about this will help you understand why. That phrase is "fraud upon the court". In Anglo-Saxon Law, lawyers are "officers of the court", pledged to uphold the court system. In the beginning of this nation, the lawyers and judges in the colonies, generally were Tories who supported the Crown, the Monarchy in England that sought to tax the colonists without representation. With the Declaration of INDEPENDENCE from England and the American Revolutionary War, among other things, the non-lawyer colonists rose up against the lawyers and lawyers acting as judges. To identify these enemies of the people, the colonists painted black the chimneys of lawyers and judges, many of whom fled to Canada. From the standpoint of lawyers and judges, the most troublesome "fraud upon the court" involves a corrupter or "bagman", working a malign if not corrupt influence on the judge or judges to procure an arbitrary ruling. In the whole history of jurisprudence in the United States, with just one rare exception of record, lawyers have NOT been the ones invoking, in court, the principle of "fraud upon the court" to challenge a court ruling by fingering the judge. Even to this day, lawyers generally by what they do and say in court, support the system, upholding whatever nowadays constitutes the "Crown". With that one exception of record, in the entire history of the United States, all the invoking in court of "fraud upon the court" as to corrupt judges has been done in the last four decades by me and my associates in our court reform, investigation, and research group, Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts, of which since 1963 I have been the founder/chairman. As a group, we early on by our work came to understand the general principles of judicial corruption endemic in America. Such as namely, oftentimes, the judges in the courthouse building own and operate a bank, together with their lawyers/cronies/corrupters. And, surprisingly, very often that selfsame bank is right across the alley or right across the street from the courthouse. Identified by others as the greatest bribery-of-judges scandal in American history, was caused by us in 1969. The State courthouse in Chicago at the time was called the Civic Center. It housed the Circuit Court of Cook County; and the next higher level in a three-tier state court system, the Appellate Court of Illinois, First District, being Cook County; and the Chicago offices of three of the seven Justices of Illinois' highest tribunal, the Illinois Supreme Court whose court building is in the state capitol. Through an intense investigation, we as non-lawyers but self-educated in law, and not wishing to be members of the bar, unearthed documents and details supporting the following: 1. That across the street from the Civic Center was a small, CLOSELY HELD bank. Following the cynical tradition in America. it was called, naturally, the Civic Center Bank. 2. From all the details, we understood it was a quiet money laundry for criminal purposes. We called it "the shuttle bus to Switzerland". 3. It was founded by Illinois' chief tax collector, Theodore J. Isaacs, who had been Director of the Illinois Department of Revenue, interlocked with the highly corrupt Chicago District office of the Internal Revenue Service. 4. Isaacs brought into his bank enterprise as fellow owners the Chief Bank Examiner; Otto Kerner, Jr., Governor of Illinois and later, made a federal appeals court judge; together with thirty state and federal judges and nine name-brand Chicago-area gangsters. 5. To assure himself that the pressfakers would censor any negative stories about the criminal operation, Isaacs also brought in as fellow owners the head of Field Enterprises that at that time owned the Chicago Sun-Times and the Chicago Daily News; and the political editor of the Chicago Tribune; and a further assortment of City Hall and media bigshots. Because of his previous activities, Isaacs was convicted of state criminal offenses. His appeal was pending in the Illinois Supreme Court. Being a man that understands the American judicial system, he did a natural thing. Just two weeks before the oral argument and presentation of his appeal, he brought into the bank, as fellow owners, most of the judges of the Illinois Supreme Court. The high court judges did a natural thing. As banker-judges they understood the judicial system such as it is. They overturned the conviction of their fellow bank-owner Isaacs. [As we have pointed out on our website, the court system is riddled in key places with Banker-Judges. They do not disqualify themselves when their bank is in their court. Guess who wins in their crooked court?] Our policy is and has always
[CTRL] Credibility Chasm
-Caveat Lector- Credibility Chasm By Robert Parry June 4, 2001 During the Vietnam War, the U.S. governments rosy forecasts of progress created what was called a credibility gap. Today, just four-plus months into office, George W. Bush and his allies are running a similar risk of relying so heavily on propaganda and imagery that the public might stop believing them. Yet, Bush and his team seem determined to push the edges, apparently in the belief that the national news media will continue to print whatever they say without skepticism or challenge. It's less clear how the American people will respond. In recent days, Bush tried to counter heavy criticism of his environmental policies by posing before giant sequoia trees; Senate Republican Leader Trent Lott complained about a coup against democracy; and Bush's press secretary Ari Fleischer insisted that the public trust him when he says departing Clinton officials left pornographic messages on White House telephones and committed other vandalism. Lott's complaint came in a memo to GOP activists on Friday when the Mississippi Republican framed his call for a political war against Democrats in terms of Republicans defending the principles of democracy. In particular, Lott lashed out at Sen. Jim Jeffords of Vermont for defecting from the Republicans to become an independent and thus tipping control of the Senate to the Democrats. We must ensure that the decision by Senator Jeffords is accurately portrayed, now and for history, Lott wrote. It was a coup of one that subverted the will of the American voters who elected a Republican majority. [NYT, June 3, 2001] Yet, anyone who has followed politics over the past six months would know that Lott's premise is wrong and his facts are inaccurate. The American people did not elect a Republican majority to the Senate. In 2000, the voters erased a 55-45 Republican majority, leaving the Senate divided 50-50 with the GOP control determined by the tie-breaking vote of Vice President Dick Cheney. But Cheney was in that position only because the popular will of the American people to elect Al Gore as president and Joe Lieberman as vice president was itself thwarted -- by the vagaries of the Electoral College, a botched election in Florida, and an unprecedented decision by five Republican justices on the U.S. Supreme Court to halt Florida's recount. Lost Votes The Gore-Lieberman ticket carried the national popular vote by more than a half million votes. Gore and Lieberman also were clearly the choice of the voters of Florida, though thousands of ballots apparently cast for the Democrats were thrown out USA Today estimated the net loss for Gore and Lieberman at from 15,000 to 25,000, with many of those lost votes cast by African-Americans and elderly Jews. Bush and Cheney hung on to their 537-vote margin in Florida out of the state's nearly six million votes cast by having five Republican justices on the U.S. Supreme Court stop a statewide recount. To many observers, the actions of the Bush-Cheney campaign looked like a coup detat against the democratic judgment of the American people. With Bush and Cheney claiming the White House, the GOP also got control of the Senate. In Lotts revised history, however, it is Jeffords who has engaged in a coup by tipping the majority in the Senate to the Democrats. Lott wrote that GOP activists faced a moral obligation to restore the integrity of our democracy. A Compliant Press Still, Republicans may have good reason to be confident that the national press corps will present the history as the Bush administration wishes. Through George W. Bushs first four months in the White House, media commentators have lavished praise on his performance, especially in contrast to the Clinton administration. This media favoritism was underscored again on Sunday when The Washington Post devoted another front-page article to the still- uncorroborated allegations of Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer, condemning Clinton aides for vandalizing the White House before Inauguration Day. The Post, which initially promoted these charges in January, gave Fleischer a new shot after he gave the newspaper a list of more detailed charges that he had constructed from recollections of officials now working for the Bush administration. The Post treated these allegations as if they were credible although they were accompanied by no hard evidence. [WP, June 3, 2001] By contrast, when two independent reviews by the General Services Administration and the General Accounting Office found no evidence to support the allegations, the Post stuck a wire story on page A13. Fleischers new details, however, were enough for the Post to take up the Bush accusations again. Pornographic Greetings The most dramatic charges leveled by Fleischer were Republican claims that the Democrats had written obscene graffiti in six offices and had left pornographic or obscene greetings on 15 telephone
[CTRL] Project Sunshine Britain
http://www.observer.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,500664,00.html Britain snatched babies' bodies for nuclear labs Eddie Goncalves Sunday June 3, 2001 The Observer Britain's nuclear industry was involved in a top secret international operation to steal dead babies for up to three decades, according to newly declassified documents. The shocking revelation comes in the wake of the controversy over the organ retention scandal at some of this country's leading hospitals. The papers, released by the American Department of Energy, show that scientists from the UK Atomic Energy Authority removed children's bones and bodies to ship to the United States for classified nuclear experiments. Among the hundreds of pages of documents released are letters exchanged between American and British government scientists in which they discuss levels of radiation in the ribs of stillborn babies and lists of dead children's bodies obtained from the Middlesex Hospital and spirited to American nuclear laboratories. The human 'guinea pigs' are not named, but assigned codenames as part of tight security surrounding the experiments. Baby B-1102, for example, is listed as a boy who died aged eight months. Baby B-595 was a girl who was 13 months old when she died. The report listing them - stamped 'top secret' - acknowledges the help of doctors at the Central Middlesex Hospital's Department of Morbid Anatomy and Histology. Although the US government has released hundreds of documents about the operation, it has retained even more sensitive papers thought to detail some of the most embarrassing aspects of collusion between the British and American authorities. Asked to release a file entitled Classified Discussions at Harwell, the Oxfordshire headquarters of the British government's nuclear research activities, the US Department of Energy told The Observer: 'This document has been determined to be not declassifiable and has been removed from this folder.' An investigation into the 'body snatching' programme - codenamed Project Sunshine - ordered by former President Bill Clinton, was scathing: 'Researchers employed deception in the solicitation of bones of deceased babies from intermediaries with access to human remains.' Among the documents obtained by The Observer is the transcript of a secret meeting in Washington of Project Sunshine's keenest minds. They show that Willard Libby, a renowned scientist who later won the Nobel prize for his research into carbon dating techniques, instructed colleagues to skirt the law in their search for bodies. 'Human samples are of prime importance, and if anybody knows how to do a good job of body-snatching, they will really be serving their country,' Libby said. 'We hired an expensive law firm to look up the law on body-snatching. It is not very encouraging. It shows how very difficult it is going to be to do it legally.' British scientists collaborated with the project from the outset in the early Fifties, the documents show. Correspondence between them and their American counterparts at the US Atomic Energy Commission includes a letter from the UK Atomic Energy Authority giving information about stillborn children whose bones had been experimented on in Britain. Other reports compare bodies obtained in England - known as 'Area Five' by the project's controllers - and in San Francisco. One paper says parts from British babies and children up to the age of 10 years were 'readily available'. At the same time as supplying the Americans, British scientists from Harwell and the Medical Research Council conducted their own research on dead children. Between 1955 and 1970, they collected around 6,000 bodies. Jean Prichard, whose baby died in 1957, said her child's legs were removed by hospital doctors and taken to Harwell without permission. To prevent her from finding out what had happened, she says she was forbidden to dress her daughter for her funeral. 'I asked if I could put her christening robe on her, but I wasn't allowed to, and that upset me terribly because she wasn't christened. No one asked me about doing things like that, taking bits and pieces from her.' British governments have always denied any involvement in Project Sunshine, and the link - first suggested in a 1995 Channel 4 documentary - was not investigated for the American report. However, new documents released by the US government and reports now in the UK Public Records Office at Kew, South-west London, show leading British scientists were involved in body-snatching for both nations. They indicate that the British conducted tests on babies from Hong Kong, and acquired body parts from doctors in Cambridge, Newmarket, Norwich and Chelmsford, as well as the coroner for west London. A leading cancer research centre, the Royal Marsden Hospital, London, took part in the project, the documents say. Records show that almost half the bodies were of newborn or very young babies. Laboratories at Cambridge University burnt
[CTRL] Aussie Corpses Also Used In Project Sunshine
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/2001/06/05/FFXCTMRTJNC.html Bodies of babies 'used in N-testing' By DARREN GRAY Tuesday 5 June 2001 The Federal Government will investigate claims that the bodies of Australian stillborn children were shipped to the United States for nuclear experiments in the 1950s and 1960s. A spokesman for Health Minister Michael Wooldridge said last night that although the issue was outside the Federal Government's jurisdiction, the claims were disturbing. Britain's Daily Mail newspaper reported yesterday that the bodies of infants and stillborn babies were taken as part of the US Department of Energy experiment. The experiment began in 1955 when Dr Willard Libby of the University of Chicago appealed for large numbers of bodies, preferably stillborn or newly born babies, for experiments on the effect of fallout from atom bomb tests. "If anybody knows how to do a good job of body-snatching, they will really be serving their country," the paper quoted Dr Libby, a Nobel laureate for his invention of the carbon-dating technique, as saying. After the tests, the bodies were cremated and radioactivity in the remains was measured. The newspaper said parents had never been asked for permission or told what happened to their children. Hospitals in Australia, Britain, Canada, Hong Kong, the US and South America sent about 6000 bodies to the university over 15 years. Dr Wooldridge's spokesman said states and territories held jurisdiction over the deceased. But the issue raised concerns that the minister would follow up. "He is concerned and will be seeking advice from his department on the accuracy of the report," his spokesman said. "Obviously if such practices were to occur today, they would be considered highly unethical, if not illegal." In February the Federal Government launched a review of human organ removal practices in Australia after a British scandal over unauthorised removal of body parts from children. It emerged that thousands of children's organs had been removed without consent at the Alder Hey Hospital in Liverpool. When the Royal Children's Hospitals consent process was examined, certain "deficiencies" were identified. Organs had been removed from children at the Royal Children's without consent, with cases dating back to the 1950s. Hearts had been kept to stock the hospital's teaching collection of about 1200 organs, which it used to train cardiac surgeons. -AAP
[CTRL] To Tell The Truth- FBI Can Take Lessons From CIA Spy Hunt That Went Too Far
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/010611/usnews/spy.htm To Tell the Truth As it ferrets out its own moles, the FBI can take a lesson from a CIA spy hunt that went too far By Kevin Whitelaw and David E. Kaplan Theirs is a job of deception and concealment, of gaming and lying, and doing it over and over. So Edward Curran knew in the fall of 1994 that his new position as the CIA's chief spy hunter carried a special peril. A career FBI man, Curran was instantly marked an enemy in a hostile camp. The bureau had just arrested Aldrich Ames, the most damaging spy in CIA history, and officials suspected there were other moles. A panicked Congress ordered the FBI to help clean up the CIA's mess. The task fell to Curran, who sensed the nation's premier spy agency was consumed by mistrust. Routine polygraphs became grueling interrogation sessions. The polygraphers treated their colleagues "like criminals," says Curran. "This might be great in a prison but not with civil servants." The crackdown turned up serious security problems. But innocent people were also snagged, raising the question of whether the agency used the decidedly wrong medicine for a cure. As many as 100 people–including some of the nation's top spies–found their careers paralyzed: Many lost coveted transfers overseas; others were pushed into dead-end jobs; still others quit in frustration or were forced out. "No organization can afford to have that many experienced officers tied up in limbo," says Frederick Hitz, the CIA inspector general for much of the 1990s. Says a former station chief: "The effect was devastating." Today, the dragnet at the CIA offers a cautionary tale as other federal agencies embark on their own sweeping spy hunts. The FBI has launched an agencywide mole hunt, sparked by the February ar- rest of veteran counterintelligence agent Robert Hanssen. And the Department of Energy, after unproven spy allegations against physicist Wen Ho Lee, is turning to the polygraph to shore up security at its labs. In all, thousands of federal employees will be tested, or "fluttered," on the box. Despite the obvious need to safeguard the nation's secrets, security inquiries can inflict lasting damage when they are not properly managed, as the CIA crackdown makes clear. The investigation helped plunge morale to depths from which the agency has still not recovered. And the exodus of talent hampered intelligence operations and left relative novices in key posts overseas. Interviews with three dozen current and former officials illuminate several problems: The FBI was slow to review cases; investigators gave short shrift to considerations of due process; and, most important, they placed far too much faith, despite its dubious scientific validity, in the so-called lie-detector test. "Because it was a convenient tool," concedes a CIA security official, "there probably was an overreliance on the polygraph." Unmasking spies. The ghost of spy hunters past still haunts the CIA. In the early 1970s, legendary spy hunter James Jesus Angleton turned the place inside out trying to unmask suspected Soviet agents. Angleton's crusade was so destructive that, after he was forced out, the CIA's counterintelligence office became a dismal backwater. "For a long time, it was just not a place where up-and-coming officers wanted to serve," says Hitz. Soon, enforcement of security rules waned; minor violations were winked at. "The attitude was that if you fail your polygraph," says Curran, "nothing will happen to you." That attitude, in large part, was blamed for the CIA's failure to detect Ames. But his arrest transformed the slack security office into a den of pit-bull investigators. Employees now were required to submit four-page financial disclosure forms, and the polygraph became the coin of the realm. "If they can't pass a CIA polygraph, fire them," former CIA officials recall Rep. Norman Dicks, a member of the House Intelligence Committee, barking at the time. Everyone knew of the polygraph's flaws, shortcomings so glaring that the test results are inadmissible in most courts. A tabletop box that monitors pulse, breathing, and skin moisture, the machine measures stress, not truthfulness. Even veteran polygraphers concede there is a 10 percent to 15 percent "false positive" rate. That's where the machine registers a "significant physiological response" on a truthful answer. "The polygraph is not really a lie detector," says former CIA director James Woolsey. "You have cases in which truthful people look like they're lying and where lying people look like they're truthful." Many times during the exams, officials say, fears unrelated to counterintelligence or criminal behavior clouded the results. Horror stories about bad polygraph sessions soon raced through the agency. No matter. CIA brass were under pressure to crack down. Security officials tapped into a classified database, combing
[CTRL] Group Says Chicken, Eggs Contaminated with Drugs
-Caveat Lector- Monday June 4 1:28 PM ET Group Says Chicken, Eggs Contaminated with Drugs LONDON (Reuters Health) - Government regulators have ''seriously misled'' the public about the high incidence of dangerous antimicrobial drug residues found in chicken and eggs, the Soil Association claimed Monday. The association, which promotes organic farming, said: ''Despite repeated assertions by regulators that nearly all poultry products are free from detectable residues, figures show clearly that about 20% of chicken meat and 10% of the eggs tested contain residues of drugs deemed too dangerous for use in human medicine.'' The claims are made by Richard Young and Alison Craig, authors of the Soil Association report, ``Too Hard to Swallow, the truth about drugs and poultry,'' which has been timed to coincide with a meeting of scientists in Brussels on June 6 and 7 to re-evaluate the safety of these drugs. The report challenges statements from the Veterinary Medicines Directorate (VMD), a United Kingdom government group, that 99% of poultry meat and 97% of eggs are free of detectable residues. This reassurance is the result of statistical distortion, the report claims. It notes, ``In fact, the results of positive tests for individual drugs are expressed as a percentage of all tests undertaken for all substances, most of which are never found.'' Of most concern, it states, are the drugs used to control tiny intestinal parasites in poultry that can cause severe losses in intensive production systems. These include nicarbazin, lasalocid and dimetridazole, all of which pose ``potential risks to animal or human health.'' Young said in a news release, ``These antimicrobial drugs have never been properly evaluated for safety, but there is evidence that they have the ability to cause cancer, birth defects and heart attacks. Some residue samples are more than 50 times over the legal limit, yet the VMD has brought no prosecutions. We want to see their use stopped as quickly as possible.'' In the case of nicarbazin, the report states the drug has never been carefully evaluated for safety in humans but studies showed it could cause birth defects and hormonal problems in animals. In 1999, the last year for which full figures are available, 17.8% of chicken livers tested had residues of nicarbazin in excess of the maximum residue limit of 200 micrograms per kilogram, the highest being 10,500 micrograms per kilogram--over 50 times the legally permitted level. Lasalocid was not licensed for laying hens and is toxic to the heart, the report added. Yet in 1999, one in every dozen eggs tested contained residues of lasalocid above the informal action level of 100 micrograms per kilogram. The highest of these was 5,400 micrograms per kilogram. Twelve percent of chicken muscle also tested positive. Dimetridazole (DMZ) was suspected of being able to induce both cancer and birth defects. It was licensed for turkeys and pheasants rather than chicken or laying hens, yet in 1998, 2%, and in 1999, 0.5%, of eggs contained residues of DMZ, the report said. The Ministry of Agriculture Fisheries and Food said in a statement, ``It is important to stress there has been no attempt to mislead or misrepresent any figures. All test results are fully reported every year and have been since 1995. ``Every year the Veterinary Medicines Directorate takes about 37,000 samples to test for residues. It was encouraging that last year around 99.5% of all samples were residue free. ``The residues mentioned in the Soil Association report were all found at levels well below World Health Organisation safety limits.'' ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Most Boys Will Handle Guns if Given the Chance
-Caveat Lector- Monday June 4 5:35 PM ET Most Boys Will Handle Guns if Given the Chance By Keith Mulvihill NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Boys between the ages of 8 and 12 years old who happen upon a handgun are likely to handle the weapon and some will even pull the trigger, according to a report in the June issue of the journal Pediatrics. Previous research on the subject has found that about one quarter of parents who own guns believe that they can trust a child with a loaded gun by the time he or she reaches age 9, noted lead author Dr. Geoffrey A. Jackman of Primary Children's Medical Center in Salt Lake City, Utah. Jackman conducted the research while at Emory University School of Medicine in Atlanta, Georgia. ``Our study shows that kids between the ages of 8 and 12 years old are at high risk for handling a gun given the opportunity, especially if they are among their peers,'' Jackman told Reuters Health. ``No matter how much you believe a kid will do the right thing, among peers he is going to be exposed to high-risk behavior,'' he added. Jackman and his colleagues sent the boys into a room in groups of three and observed them through a one-way mirror. The researchers had placed two water pistols and one .380 caliber handgun in three separate drawers prior to the boys entering the room. The researchers observed the boys for up to 15 minutes to see if they discovered the handgun and if so, how they handled it. The handgun was wired with a hidden sensor so that a light would flash in the researchers' room if the trigger of the gun was squeezed with enough pressure to fire a bullet. Twenty-nine groups of boys took part in the study and 21 of the groups discovered the handgun, the report indicates. Boys in 16 of the groups handled the gun and boys in 10 of the groups pulled the trigger, Jackman and colleagues report. The researchers note that half of the boys who came across the gun later told them that they were unsure if the gun was real or if it was a toy. ``Boys who were believed to have a low interest in real guns were as likely to handle the handgun or pull the trigger as boys who were perceived to have a moderate or high interest in guns,'' the authors write. The vast majority of boys in the study had received some sort of instruction regarding gun safety. ``Parents need to continue to educate children about gun safety,'' Jackman said. ``And parents should use common sense--there is no reason why they should keep a loaded gun in the house where a child could find it,'' he added. ``Despite the risk of unintentional discharge and other adverse incidents, as many as 13% of gun-owning families keep at least one gun loaded and unlocked,'' Jackman and colleagues point out. ``Unintentional firearms injuries kill about 400 children each year and more than 3,000 children sustain nonfatal injuries. Eighty percent of these shootings involve males, and many incidents occur when a child discovers a gun in the home while playing with a friend or a sibling,'' the authors write. SOURCE: Pediatrics 2001;107:1247-1250. ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Disclosure Project -- a profit based context.
-Caveat Lector- This is a fairly plausible argument - and it seems quite realistic at first: UFO's are here and uncle sam is building them and will sort out them pesky commies with our death rays so don't bother building any nasty weapons because we're too advanced and thats why Intel backed 'disclosure' talks about back engineering. Then we realise that it makes appeal to the popular understanding of the status quo - the type of understanding of military and global command structures that we see in Hollywood Blockbuster epics like independence day - where the president doesn't know about area 51 and then fires the head of american security for being naughty etc Its as if the balance of power on this planet really resides with the decisions of 4 star generals. We all know that its far more complex than that. The ruling elite on this planet simply are NOT nation states like amerika or germany or UK or china - for these nations are merely impoverished street traders compared to the Global Multinationals that run the planet - and these corporations are not about to destroy their own globally distributed manufacturing base and labour pool with nukes without some excellent reason - eg. population cull Indeed some of us see the evidence for various species living amongst us, and under the earth and above it as proof that we definitely don't have any idea as to how this planet is really being run. But we continue to be amused and entertained by NASA using petrochemical launch vehicles, and listening to SETI discuss what kind of radio programmes the ETs would use. In that context - seeing human national military as being an executive part of any equation to do with the future destiny of this planet is a bit presumptuous - UFOs in the 1950s were turning up at missile silos and switching them off. So what do we really want from the Disclosure Project - what do we want them to disclose - who do we need them to convince - and in fact why bother - for several decades of government lies and deceit have taught us all at least ON E THING - it is not in the best interests of Multinational Corporations that the average human being should get to legitimise ANY relationship with a Non-Human - the reason is OBVIOUS - said non-human could supply advanced technology to poor old joe bloggs giving him the means to alter the balance of power and profits on this planet - a risk that the greedy corporations cannot countenance. Certainly no 'aliens' have come out to make a Public and Formal approach as yet - and its probably true that the corporations that finance earths infrastructure will wish to postpone that event for a long long time. andrew hennessey From: Dick Farley [EMAIL PROTECTED] National Affairs Correspondent The American UFO Newsletter Washington, DC USA (X-Ref: NRO, Space Policy, Space Weaponization; UFO/ET Disclosure, et al.) Dick Farley refs. Larry Bryant's letter to Senator John Warner (appended): No doubt this following news story is simple coincidence, but that point may be lost on Senator Warner as a UFO faction apparently seeks some resonance with the Disclosure Project's effort? Might it not be prudent to couch assessment of the UFO issue as presented by Greer, et al., in their own expressed context, i.e., space weapons? Why focus on this element of the UFO problem to the exclusion of a range of alternative or collateral possibilities, like mind control or theologicals or psychiatrically driven misperceptions, or even good old counterintelligence ops? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
-Caveat Lector- I believe I do owe you an apology Amelia. I obviously meant Aleisha as I was replying to her post. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Amelia Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 3:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect? -Caveat Lector- I will expect your ON LIST apology for this, Nate. I have NOT posted ONE WORD in this thread. I have sent a much more polite response to the list than you deserve for this. Why do you use my name attached to a post from Aleisha? Nothing like trying to smear everybody you do not like with the same brush, is there? Nothing like the old false accusation and putting words into the mouths of others and then vilifying them for those very words. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Nate Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect? -Caveat Lector- Amelia, you need to seek pshychological help. I believe that you are holed up in a ball in the corner with fear that homosexuals are outside your door waiting to sanitize your clearly missionary lifestyle. You are truly mentally unstable. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aleisha Saba Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 7:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect? -Caveat Lector- So Gay Pride says Eleanor Roosevelt was a Lesbian and produces a disgusting letter to prove it..well she and Janet Reno would have made a lovely pair but Reno preferred under-age young girls. And Lincoln they say, is also one of their treasures - I believe that too, for our family preferred John Wilkes Booth who did his oountry a great service - he avenged the south, but not soon enough. While Booth's great grandfather was Illlumaati and he was alleged Rothschild Agent - well if he was, Rothschild will always be on my list of great men. As for sodomy on TV Steve - men kissing and women kissing with no clothes on - I did not wait around to see this garbage go further and had my HBI and Cinemax removed..aftera 10 oclock now it seems to be pervert time on TV. So in our town when these perverts attempt to, if they dare, pull someo of this crap I am waiting for themand so will a lot of other parents and parents, but I do not think our community will ever sink that far to the bottom of the bilge. Below are two items which clearly show what sick and perverted people we have in our government now. Gay Pride? Will leave them alone, so long as they leave me and mine alone - but they are still trying to get after those little cub scous. Saba The idea that chldren are being exposed to this evil element in our socieity - this sick, twisted evil element pushing sodomy on innocent children. First of Two Items - POLITICS Note to Parents: The following story contains graphic information of a sexual nature. While this material is troublesome to us and will be to others, it is important to realize that the State of Massachusetts deems this information appropriate for teenagers as young 14. Kids Get Graphic Instruction In Homosexual Sex State sponsored conference featured detailed sexual material Massachusetts News A Massachusetts Department of Education employees described the pleasures of homosexual sex to a group of high school students at a state-sponsored workshop on March 25 at Tufts. Fisting [forcing one's entire hand into another person's rectum or vagina] often gets a bad rap[It's] an experience of letting somebody into your body that you want to be that close and intimate with...[and] to put you into an exploratory mode. Last year a mother from the western suburbs joined some other parents and went to the State House to appeal to the Governor's office. She was becoming frantic. Her son at the local high school had been told by his musician friends how cool it was at the school's Gay/Straight Alliance club meetings. She soon found out that the club had watched at least one R-rated video of two boys having a love affair. She discovered some provocative handouts in his room. He became detached, and she suspected that he was experimenting with homosexual relationships. The principal would not look into it, nor would any other officials. It was suggested that maybe she was homophobic. No one from the Governor's office would speak to her or the other parents. A Department of Public Health official finally listened to them but afterwards would not return her calls. Later the Boston homosexual newspaper, Bay Windows, published a blistering article warning that bigoted, homophobic parents were trying to endanger the money for the state's gay school clubs. Each year, Governor Paul Cellucci budgets $1.5 million for his Governor's Commission for Gay and Lesbian Youth. Made up of homosexual activists from across
Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher
-Caveat Lector- I use this list to view material that I believe might be a conspiracy I do believe strongly against gay people being bashed on this list. I am not pushing any Gay side of anything. I am merely stating FACTS to an overwhelming bashing Aleisha (not Amelia, sorry again). If I found that Aleisha or anyone else would post stereotypical lies and mistruths on this list that was set up to discover the truth, I would post just as fervently. You will notice Tenorlove that I don't fight the merits of what she posts, or what is right or wrong in the post itself, just how she presents the information. It is definitely not posted in an objective matter. I believe the following statement appears at the end of every post Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance not soap-boxing please! I just want her to follow the rules. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tenorlove Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 9:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher -Caveat Lector- The only time I ever see Nate post to this list is when he's pushing the pro-gay side of whatever the issue is. Anyone who lets his or her sexuality run his or her life, is the one who needs help. Tenorlove who finds an inverse relationship between talk and action __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance not soap-boxing please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory' with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher
-Caveat Lector- Regardless of my personal life, which is none of anyones business. I am a professional businessman. I believe in the truth above all else. This is what has guided me in my life and why I post against Aleisha's tirades, because what people perceive is unfortunate enough to cast the first impression. Look deeper into one's soul is what I say. I agree with 95% of what is posted on this list and therefore do not feel the need to post! -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dale Stonehouse Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 9:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher -Caveat Lector- This is 100 percent right. Personally I am 100 percent certain that 100 percent of people who disagree with my viewpoint are 100 percent evil. Kidding aside, without knowing Nate's age, hormone levels and other background information I would hesitate to make such a blanket statement. In younger days most of the people I knew were letting sexuality run their lives. Its importance decreases directly with hormone levels and inversely with maturity level. The only time I ever see Nate post to this list is when he's pushing the pro-gay side of whatever the issue is. Anyone who lets his or her sexuality run his or her life, is the one who needs help. Tenorlove A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher
-Caveat Lector- So now it comes to personal attacks Aleisha based upon no truths. How quaint. You will notice I won't sink to your level. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aleisha Saba Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 10:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher -Caveat Lector- wonder why Nate took name of Asmodius, a Hebrew God and Lord of Flies - lusty devil. Asmodeus, in Hebrew demonology, the chief of the demons, occasionally identified with the prince of demons, Beelzebub. He figures largely in later Hebrew tradition, appearing in the Book of Tobit in the Old Testament apocrypha as an evil spirit possessed of great lust. He is represented as having loved Sarah, daughter of Raguel, and as having slain seven men who were successively married to Sarah. Tobias, who intended to marry Sarah, succeeded with the help of the angel Raphael in exorcising the demon. Raphael pursued Asmodeus to Upper Egypt and bound him, enabling Tobias and Sarah to live in peace. In talmudic legends, Asmodeus is associated with Solomon, whom he aided, notably in building the temple. He is also regarded as the cause of the excesses ascribed to Solomon. HOW TO CITE THIS ARTICLE Asmodeus, Microsoft® Encarta® Online Encyclopedia 2001 http://encarta.msn.com © 1997-2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. © 1993-2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Deluxe Sign-In Highlight section Order 5 products in one! Get the latest edition of Encarta Reference Suite now. Order the CD Order the DVD Shop folders,hanging,letter,legal $12.99 Staples more like this... Also On Let Microsoft help your career Tall tales that teach Ever thought about grad school? Also On MSN Great gifts for dads and grads Free movies for a year Kids only! Please rate Encarta's answers to your question. Not RelevantVery Relevant12345 Main reason for your rating: Encarta Home | Reference | Homework | College | Grad | Training | Parents | Experts | Shop | Help Site Map | About Encarta | Encarta Enquire Other Links: Free Games White Pages Greeting Cards Buy Books MSN Explorer More... Special Features: eShop: great stores, great deals Are your friends online? The Web's best personal finance site Sign up for a FREE Hotmail account Send Money Online More... ©2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Terms of Use Advertise TRUSTe Approved Privacy Statement A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- I am about to state an obvious truth that most of you already know but refuse to admit. The bible is a tool. It is a tool that may be used by any and all to their own purposes and gains. There are two sides to every story. People in this world lost faith a long time ago when they started to attend organized religion. You want a conspiracy, there's your conspiracy. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nessie Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 12:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride -Caveat Lector- In fact,the Bible forbids it. The Bible also forbids the wearing of cloth made from two kinds of threads and the rounding of the corners of the beard. Why aren't all these rabid homophobes equally upset about people doing those things? They are both far more common than sodomy. A HREF=ttp://www.ctrl.org/www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ===CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.htmlArchives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- Censorship? Not me, ever... I'm the person complaining that I cannot get 2 messages posted to this list for 4 days now. A test message before and after posts OK, but there's something magic in the wording of these 2 texts which someone or something will not allow through. I am being censored. Bill YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, BB wrote: It scares me that people like you are allowed to post to a public forum... It scares me that people like you advocate censorship... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] SECRET SOCIETY
-Caveat Lector- from: Fame Magazine ©1989 Fame Magazine Group, Inc Steven ML Aronson SECRET SOCIETY Skull and Bones, Yales most exclusive boys club, claims as its own some of Americas most prominent figures, George Bush among them. STEVEN M.L. ARONSON, Yale 65, rattles a few skeletons in the closet of the 150-year-old bastion of leaders to come. THE YEAR WAS 1948, and the distinguished Harvard professor F. 0. Matthiessen, Foggy to his students and Matty to his friends, was dining at the Cambridge Massachusetts: apartment of Donald Ogden Stewart, the humorist and Academy Award-winning screenwriter. It was a jittery time: Matthiessen was waiting to be called to testify before the House Committee on Un-American Activities, and Stewart, a parlor pink who belonged to the left wing of the Screen Writers Guild, had good reason to be uneasy himself. Another guest at that long-ago dinner, Eileen Finletter, recalls today: I very distinctly heard Matty say to Don Stewart, As long as we have somebody from Bones who can bring pressure on the committee, I should think well be all right. The two were Bonesmen, linked for life inmembers unto death ofSkull and Bones, not only the oldest, richest, and most powerful of the seven secret societies at Yale, but the most exclusive of all college clubs and arguably the most seductive little sodality in the world. Plainly they believed that being Bonesmen guaranteed them special dispensations throughout life, and in this they were not mistaken. Ever since its founding in 1832, Skull and Bones has rattled and reverberated in the loftiest reaches of the American meritocracy, resounding most sonorously in the fields of foreign policy, domestic intelligence, banking, law, and letters. Two presidents of the United States, including the sitting one, have taken the societys oath of allegiance. When George Herbert Walker BushBonesman, and son, nephew, cousin, brother, and father of Bonesmenwas sworn into the office of vice president of the United States, in 1981, the oath was administered by a fellow Bonesman, Associate justice Potter Stewart of the Supreme Court. In emotional terms, however, it might well have been a less important oath than the one he had taken thirty-four years before in Skull and Bones. For George Bush, his secret society is the tie that binds and bonds. A few weeks after being sworn in as vice president, he made the time to entertain the twelve surviving Bonesmen from his Yale class, their wives, and the widows of the other two, at the vice- presidential residence, Bob Woodward reported in The Washington Post. One of the men recited a sophomoric poem he had written for the occasion, which featured the com-forting rhyme, Old Poppy, our own V.P.- Comraderie: All his adult life Bush has drawn these from the well of Skull and Bones. In the early 1950s a daughter died of leukemia, and his fraternal Bonesmen were there for him, as they would be when he needed political advice or campaign money. And he was there for them-best man at one Bonesmans wedding; in constant attendance at the bed-side of another, who was dying of cancer; and faithful corres-pondent, sending some eighty-five letters in the past twenty-two years to just a single member of his Bones delegation. Other Bonesmen whose commitment to the society was (or is) as unbreakable as Bushs, and whose names will also ringor merely tinklein eternity include: Henry R. Luce, father of Time; President William Howard Taft; Henry Stimson, President Hoovers secretary of state; Robert A. Lovett, President Trumans secretary of defense; authors John Hersey, Brendan Gill, and William F. Buckley Jr.; Gerald Murphy, the inspiration for the character Dick Diver in Tender Is the Night; singer Lanny Ross; McGeorge Bundy, President Kennedys assistant for national security affairs; William H. Donaldson and Dan W. Lufkin, founders of Donaldson, Lufkin Jenrette; Winston Lord, President Reagans ambassador to China; and US senators David Boren of Oklahoma, John Chafee of Rhode Island, and John Kerry of Massachusetts (Skull and Bones has always had a kind of baby-senator quality to it; theres that sense of incipient power throbbing throughout). And lets not forget statesman W. Averell Harriman, who chose the Skull and Bones magic number 322 for the combination of the briefcase in which he carried top-secret dispatches between London and Moscow during World War II. Or Archibald MacLeish, librarian of Congress and Pulitzer Prize-winning poet and playwright; a Bonesman once showed me a letter hed received from MacLeish, written late in his long and estimable life, that was signed, with an undiminished trustingness, Yours in out of322, Archie. Hurrah for old 322/ Hurrah for Skull and Bones is the societys call to arms, so to speak. (Or rather, so not to speak, since members are supposed to leave the room whenever even the words skull and bones, let alone the sacred numerals, are uttered by
[CTRL] Just a guy from Bones '50
-Caveat Lector- Just a guy from Bones '50 Signifie-t-il quelque chose? Qui sait? --two years in Army Intelligence-- --a five-year involvement with the New York State Republican Party, then the 1988 George Bush presidential campaign, a consultant to the State Department, Spanish language training at the Foreign Service Institute, and then off to Ecuador as the American Ambassador. I returned to my law firm in 1992 and am doing what I have done professionally since day one. I am a wildly enthusiastic supporter of Governor George W. Bush. -- Om K - from: Yale Class of 1950 50th reunion yearbook. - PAUL C. LAMBERT BUSINESS ADDRESS: Attorney, Senior Counsel, Whitman Breed Abbott Morgan, Met Life Building, 200 Park Avenue, New York, NY 10 166 I decided to go to Yale when I was eight years old. I had listened to the radio broadcast of the 1936 Yale-Princeton football game, which Yale won 26-23. Clint Frank and Larry Kelley were heroic. This is where the heroes are, I concluded. I have practiced the law of trusts and estates in New York City for over forty years. If I had to choose again, I would do the same. I have a beautiful wife, three lovely children (our son Chris died tragically at age twenty), and two irresistible (what else!) grandchildren. My post-Yale, nonlegal life may be divided roughly into three fifteen-year segments. The first fifteen years were Harvard Law School, two years in Army Intelligence, marriage, four children, late nights at the office, weekend-jock life, and a law firm partnership. The se[c]ond fifteen years were strongly education related. There was heavy involvement with Hotchkiss, The Brearley School, and our great University. My commitment to Yale was major, lasting over a ten-year period (AYA Chairman for two). It was a rare pleasure and a remarkable postgraduate education. Yale isn't perfect, but for those who are disenchanted, I urge you to spend some time with Yale faculty and Yale students. You will quickly appreciate the extraordinary quality of the Yale community. The final segment can only be described as a political roll, which in retrospect seems more like a dream than a reality. First came a five-year involvement with the New York State Republican Party, then the 1988 George Bush presidential campaign, a consultant to the State Department, Spanish language training at the Foreign Service Institute, and then off to Ecuador as the American Ambassador. I returned to my law firm in 1992 and am doing what I have done professionally since day one. I am a wildly enthusiastic supporter of Governor George W. Bush. He has great leadership qualitites,[sic] and he will be good for the country. I am devoted to my wife and children. I have been very fortunate. I am ever grateful to Yale for the values it instilled in me and for my Yale friends, who are like no other. There it is fifty years in five hundred words. How swiftly life passes. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Chemtrails Over America, Report #2
-Caveat Lector- Chemtrails Over America Report #2 6-4-1 Note - We received the following chemtrail 'report' with a request that the author's name be kept aside. We cannot validate or verify the data and claims that follow. Comments are welcome. -ed) We will talk about four active projects ongoing in the atmosphere across America now. The first project is an effort to block the rays of the sun from hitting the earth including the ultra violet radiation that will come through without an adequate layer of ozone in the upper regions above the earth. This, it is hoped, will lower temperature on the surface of the earth and block ultra violet radiation from causing skin cancer in humans. The aerosol is probably aluminum oxide or a compound that would have similar properties. The second and most secretive project is the United States Navy's, RFMP, Radio Frequency Mission Planner, military program. The RFMP is the system name given to a group of computer programs and one of the supporting, subprograms within the RFMP system is called the VTRPE computer program. VTRPE is an acronym that stands for Variable Terrain Radio Parabolic Equation, It is a computer Radio Frequency propagation program that deals with radio waves and enables the RFMP system to visually see the battlefield terrain in 3 dimensions (3-D) on a television screen. The RFMP system also depends on satellites to feed their images of the battlefield into the RFMP system to be combined with the battlefield picture painted from the ground thus producing 3-D images. By providing an extremely interactive and visual (television type radar screens) environment, the Radio Frequency Mission Planner, RFMP system allows the computer operator to develop familiarity with the Radio Frequency environment before a battlefield war mission occurs by playing a variety of what-if virtual warfare scenarios on his computer screen. Since all major modes of Radio Frequency propagation are modeled in his computer, (RFMP system), special, sometimes counter- intuitive, cases can be examined in detail and exploited during a warfare battle mission. The VTRPE computer program only worked accurately over water and along coastal areas but not over land masses because the system's radar waves required an atmospheric condition known as ducting, over land, to operate accurately. The government and military solved the ducting problem by releasing an aerosol, a mixture of barium salts into the atmosphere over America. They made an atmospheric RF duct with a base of barium aerosol from aircraft. The chemical and electrical characterics of the mixture will cause water moisture to stay in clouds. Again, the aerosol sets up an electrical and chemical environment that supports RF ducting for the RFMP / VTRPE warfare system. Fibers with barium may support ducting. The mixture of barium salt aerosol when sprayed in a straight line will also provide a ducting path from point A to point B and will enable high frequency communications along that path, even over the curvature of the earth, in both directions. Enemy high frequency communications can be monitored easier with
[CTRL] Natural Gas Prices Remain High in Southern California
-Caveat Lector- June 5, 2001 Natural Gas Prices Remain High in Southern California By RICHARD A. OPPEL Jr. New York Times Natural gas prices have plunged in the last few months everywhere, that is, but Southern California. While gas in New York costs about $4 per thousand cubic feet, gas delivered to Southern California still costs more than $11 wholesale. That such numbers demand an explanation was about the only thing President Bush and Gov. Gray Davis could agree on when they met in Los Angeles a few days ago to discuss California's energy crisis. Mr. Bush assigned Patrick H. Wood III, a fellow Texan confirmed last month as a member of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, to investigate. To many experts, the woes of California's natural gas market are as profound as those of its electricity market: the state is short on pipelines, and the rules of the gas market, critics say, encourage sellers and traders including the biggest local gas utility to drive prices higher. At peak times, half of California's electricity is generated by gas-fired power plants, a higher proportion than in most parts of the country. And because 85 percent of the gas consumed in California comes from outside the state, the shortage of pipelines both into California and within the state has become a big handicap in fueling those plants. The strain has become especially acute as drought in the Pacific Northwest has curtailed imports of hydropower and gas-fired power plants have worked overtime to meet the demands of a booming state economy. Vice President Dick Cheney's energy policy report last month proposed initiatives to speed approval and construction of new pipelines, noting that New England and other regions faced capacity squeezes, too. The report says that the United States needs 38,000 miles of new gas transmission pipelines, almost a 20 percent increase. In the meantime, some industry executives and public officials take the argument one step further than the Bush administration, contending that today's shortage of capacity has made it possible for energy companies, intent on maximizing profits, to manipulate prices. It really strains credulity to say this is a functioning market, said Representative Joe Barton, Republican of Texas, who as chairman of the House energy subcommittee has been leaning on the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission to scrutinize the California gas market. Reasonable people could conclude people have gamed the system. In one significant case, California utility regulators and Southern California Edison, one of the state's struggling electric utilities, have accused the El Paso Corporation of using its control of a major pipeline into the state to inflate prices artificially. El Paso officials deny wrongdoing and accuse California officials of making the company a scapegoat for the state's failure to build more pipelines. A judge at the federal energy commission is hearing the case in Washington. But fingers are pointing in other directions, too. For example, the Southern California Gas Company, the state's largest gas utility, has reaped huge profits buying and selling gas in the last year activity encouraged by state regulations intended to lower gas prices for consumers. But some gas marketers and electricity generators contend that the trading has contributed to price spikes, by tying up valuable pipeline space during peak times with gas shipments driven by financial deals, not power demands. At the same time, Edison says that Southern California Gas failed to put enough gas into storage last fall for residential and small-business customers. If so, that would have driven the gas company back into the market in the winter, when demand from power plant operators was high, helping push gas and hence electricity prices yet higher, Edison complains. Between them, El Paso and Southern California Gas were responsible for $3.7 billion in excess prices for energy in the last year, Edison contends. Southern California Gas, a unit of Sempra Energy, denies that its trading has harmed the market. Rather, its executives note that electricity generators and industrial gas consumers which under state rules are responsible for managing their own gas supplies put very little gas into storage last year. By one estimate, large gas consumers in Southern California had only 11 percent as much gas in storage at the end of November as they did at the same time during the prior two years. Another problem may emerge this summer, according to William L. Massey, a member of the federal energy commission. Mr. Massey said new commission rules intended to limit electricity price spikes in California will almost certainly prompt energy-trading companies which deal in both gas and electricity to manipulate gas prices. That is because the rules allow electricity generators to charge more if gas prices move higher. Similarly, growing attention is being paid to the role played by
[CTRL] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends and this is exactly what Members of Parliament and Congress persons have been doing since Federal Governments have become involved in 'education' - read crime, corruption and brain-washing. The filth the Federal Government of Canada has been supporting with tax dollars is far too rotten to post on the internet, but I would certainly like to do it. - Cliff. Re: [CTRL] AP: 11 Charged in $1M Fraud Scheme (1 week old)
-Caveat Lector- At 09:22 AM 6/4/01 -0700, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- townhall.com Michelle Malkin May 31, 2001 The Department of Embezzlement President Bush's No Child Left Behind school reform proposal passed in the House last week. Considering what a colossal black hole the U.S. Department of Education has become, the $24 billion plan would be more appropriately dubbed: No Dime Left Behind. If Beltway pols were truly interested in educational accountability, they wouldn't be funneling billions of dollars through a government bureaucracy that can't keep track of its funds. The Education Department failed its last three financial audits and is on track to fail again. On the same day the House approved Bush's school spending package, U.S. Attorney Kenneth Wainstein issued indictments against 11 people involved in a theft ring of outside contractors working with Education Department employees. Three former Education Department workers have already pled guilty. I read the federal grand jury's 64-page indictment papers over the weekend. I wish every member of Congress would do the same. This million-dollar criminal enterprise is just the tip of the iceberg of fraudulent federal spending for the children. The ring centered around Elizabeth C. Mellen, an award-winning, high-ranking telecommunications specialist in the Education Department's Office of the Chief Information Officer. Her indicted co-conspirators include her children and husband, an employee at the Environmental Protection Agency; her sister and two nieces (both of whom worked in the Education Department's financial assistance office); her nephew (who worked as a technical specialist in the Education Department's financial assistance office); and a Bell Atlantic employee. Mellen and her family apparently turned the Education Department into their own Home Shopping Network. The indictment says Mellen directed the Bell Atlantic worker, Maurice Hayes, to order equipment through his company's outside contract (paid for by the Education Department and subsidized by taxpayers). She then had various contract employees deliver her $300,000 worth of electronic goods. In exchange, the contract employees collected more than $600,000 in false overtime pay. Mellen's sister reportedly visited her workstation several times to shop from electronics catalogs; others put in their orders by phone or e-mail. According to the indictment, Mellen plundered public funds to pay for: 10 Gateway computers and accessories, 15 printers, 4 Yamaha CD drives, 9 laptops for family birthday and graduation gifts, a 61 Sony television, and 7 cell phones (on which a total of nearly 12,000 calls were made). Also: 169 cordless phones (46 with caller ID, 5 with headsets), 6 Olympus digital cameras and 4 Olympus printers, 8 Sony digital cameras and accessories, 4 Sony digital camcorders and accessories, 4 Sony Handycams and accessories, 4 Sony video Walkmans, 7 PalmPilot personal organizers, 50 Motorola Talkabouts, and 2 Philips audio CD recorders. In addition, Mellen arranged for a toll-free telephone number to be routed through the Education Department so that family members and friends could call Mellen's sister's home in Mechanicsville, Md., without any toll charges. She also ordered the Education Department's Bell Atlantic contract employees, at taxpayer expense, to install an additional phone line in her apartment and an extra phone jack in her sister's home. Finally, Mellen used outside contractors as family chauffeurs and handymen. She ordered them to drive to Baltimore to purchase crab cakes for her, shuttle her daughter and granddaughter to a medical facility, powerwash her son's deck and perform other yard cleanup. The Education Department can't claim such theft is rare. It doesn't know. Government auditors have identified accounting discrepancies totaling up to $6 billion. Federal education aid has been embezzled to pay for luxury cars, real estate, diapers and rent. If this agency were a private company, it would have been shut down by government regulators long ago. Instead, it grows fatter and more unaccountable every year. Republicans, who once led the crusade to eliminate the department, are now tripping over each other to feed the beast. The federal role in education is not to serve the system. It is to serve the children, the Education Department's motto preaches. I imagine Mrs. Mellen told herself the same as she phoned in another electronics order for her children and licked the crab cake crumbs off her light and greasy fingers. === Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is
Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher
-Caveat Lector- Well, Nate, I accept your apology but think you remember me from previous posts supporting the Boy Scouts. I think the original posts this time which you find so offensive are more about parent's right to chose what and by whom their children are taught in government schools. . I believe that is the concern of most of us here and few, if any, give a rip about your lifestyle. You stated that a Fox News Report was some right-wing religious writing and that was not true. It is our own children over whom we feel we have rights. Check the stats on home schooling of late. We are also withdrawing support for public education thanks to folks who think they will dictate to what our children are exposed. I know this is politically incorrect these days when the State 'owns' the children and will teach what/when/where they chose but some of us have a hard time with that concept. But I DO have a question for you since you are a most tolerant fellow by your own claims. Why are there over 800 schools in this country that provide facilities for the gay student clubs (Gay Pride or whatever each is called) based on their homosexual orientation yet deny the Boy Scouts the use of those same facilities based on their heterosexual orientation? I always ask this question and then those so very vocal suddenly go silent and move on to other topics but I would really like to know for I do not understand how this is fair. These are tax-funded public facilities and I do not think one group should be allowed to use them and not the other. If the Boy Scouts are banned, then the gay students should not be slowed to use the facilities, either. Now Nessie claims the teaching of human sexuality is biology but it has far more ramifications that that, at least for most humans. It has psychological effects and some of this coarse, crude stuff being promoted can be scarring to sensitive children, I dare say among which Nessie was not counted as a child nor adult either, for that matter. It is also the only activity that results on the reproduction of other humans and therefore carries far greater importance than the life cycle of a dung beetle, for example. I realize that if a person does not realize this, I am wasting my effort in even bothering to explain it but I do want to make it clear that those of us who oppose total strangers taking these liberties with our children by such things as sharing their personal sexual experiences are not fooling us for one minute with their doublespeak. We are not nearly as stupid as you seem to think we are and we are not fooled for one second. Tolerance is only for little groups and minorities who profess to be constant 'victims' yet seek by their actions to deprive others of the same tolerance which they so loudly DEMAND. I think this is going to have the opposite effect than that desired and the patience and good will of the majority is being badly abused in this regard. This is a very foolish course of action on the part of extremists of every stripe. And I think that those who oppose a gay lifestyle on the basis of their religion or whatever as just as entitled to their beliefs as you are to yours. I further think that many, if not most, of the members of self-professed minorities are so desperately seeking some form of discrimination that they usually just fabricate it to validate their victim status and reassure themselves that they are indeed 'special' and deserving of some sort of preferential treatment. This form of behavior is aka 'spitting into the wind' to put it politely for one can never FORCE others to think and feel a certain way. This determination by a few to enforce their will over the children of the majority may well shut down the public educational system in this country for I know I, for one, will oppose every cent spent upon it as long as it is controlled by special interest groups pushing an agenda contrary to what I think is in the best interest of my own children and grandchildren. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Nate Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher -Caveat Lector- Regardless of my personal life, which is none of anyones business. I am a professional businessman. I believe in the truth above all else. This is what has guided me in my life and why I post against Aleisha's tirades, because what people perceive is unfortunate enough to cast the first impression. Look deeper into one's soul is what I say. I agree with 95% of what is posted on this list and therefore do not feel the need to post! -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dale Stonehouse Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 9:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher -Caveat Lector- This is 100 percent right. Personally I am 100 percent certain that 100 percent of people
[CTRL] Nevada lawmakers vote to legalize medical marijuana
-Caveat Lector- Nevada lawmakers vote to legalize medical marijuana By SIOBHAN McDONOUGH, Associated Press CARSON CITY, Nev. (June 4, 2001 10:26 p.m. EDT) - On Monday state lawmakers voted to legalize marijuana for medical purposes and relax penalties for possession of the drug. The Assembly's vote puts the state on a potential collision course with the federal government. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled last month that a federal law classifying the drug as illegal includes no exception for medical uses. The state Senate has already approved the bill, and it is expected to receive Gov. Kenny Guinn's signature. The bill would allow seriously ill Nevadans to have up to seven marijuana plants for personal use. It says a person with an ounce or less of marijuana could be charged with a misdemeanor and fined up to $600. A second offense would carry a higher fine and placement in a treatment or rehabilitation program; three-time offenders would be charged with a gross misdemeanor and pay a still- steeper fine. The Senate amended the bill to add felony charges for a fourth or subsequent possession charge. Under current Nevada law, possession of any amount of marijuana can result in felony charges leading to prison terms of one to four years. But first offenses involving small amounts are usually handled as misdemeanors, with no jail time and fines of a few hundred dollars. The bill would allow the state to seek federal permission to conduct research into whether marijuana helps ease pain, nausea or other symptoms of seriously ill patients. The bill would also allow the creation of a state registry for patients whose doctors recommend they use marijuana for medical reasons. Nevadans voted overwhelmingly in 1998 and 2000 to amend the state constitution to allow marijuana use by those suffering from cancer, AIDS, glaucoma and other painful and potentially terminal illnesses. The task of implementing the voters' mandate was left to the Legislature. Besides Nevada, voters in Arizona, Alaska, California, Colorado, Maine, Oregon and Washington have approved ballot initiatives allowing medical marijuana. In Hawaii, the legislature passed a similar law and the governor signed it last year. ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Hospital replaces all surgical instruments after contamination
-Caveat Lector- Hospital replaces all surgical instruments after contamination Hotel-Dieu Grace Hospital in Windsor, Ont., is replacing its entire inventory of about 20,000 surgical instruments because of the possibility of contamination with the agent that causes Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD), according to Shannon Tompkins, the hospital's director of development and public affairs. Visit here for more... http://www.hospitalnetwork.com/read/nl20010531/432519 -- radman pull quote: Prions, the protein particles thought to cause CJD, are resistant to conventional sterilization and disinfection procedures. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
