[CTRL] Disclosure followup chat on Destination Space (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: Disclosure followup chat on Destination Space Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 15:52:12 -0400 From: Bill Stockstill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, Destination Space will have guests Stephen Bassett and Disclosure Project witness Alfred Webre for a chat on the Disclosure Project this Sunday. It will also have UFO researcher Mark Hall as an ordinary Joe who was there at Washington DC May 9th Press Club as host. For further details please see http://www.destinationspace.net/ufo/chat/ufochat.asp#guest The chat will take place on Sunday June 10th at 18.00 US Pacific Time (02.00am June 11th UK Time) Please publicize as wide as earthly possible and we hope you can make it. Sincerely, Bill Stockstill Destination Space www.destinationspace.net === Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NM: Larry Flynt Targets First Daughter with $10 Million Offer
-Caveat Lector- http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2001/6/7/171159 NewsMax June 7, 2001 Larry Flynt Targets First Daughter with $10 Million Offer Hustler Magazine publisher Larry Flynt, who dug dirt on Republicans for the Clinton White House during impeachment and tried to smear President Bush with an unsubstantiated abortion allegation during last year's campaign, is now offering $10 million for a naked picture of 19-year-old first daughter Jenna Bush. Taking the politics of personal destruction to new lows, Flynt published a composite photo of Ms. Bush's face superimposed on a nude model as she sat spread-eagled on an American flag. The explicit graphic first ran in Hustler's April issue, shortly after the underage Ms. Bush was ticketed for alcohol possession by Texas police. Above the imaginary pornographic photo of the first daughter, Hustler's mean-spirited headline read: Jenna Bush, This Could be You. Hustler's readers have preselected you to receive this bonafide offer of TEN MILLION DOLLARS, just for lying around in front of a camera, taunts the vulgarity-laced copy. C'mon Jenna! Accept Larry Flynt's TEN MILLION DOLLARS and raise the American flag! Underneath the caption reads, This shot's fake, how about the real thing? A Hustler Magazine editor who requested anonymity told NewsMax.com Thursday that the hardcore ad was no joke and that Flynt is ready to pay up should the offer be accepted. We've been contacted by a few news organizations, he said. But outside of the Village Voice last month, Flynt's attempt to embarrass the first family has gone completely unreported. The celebrated pornogapher first began collecting Republican scalps during President Clinton's impeachment, when he took out an ad in the Washington Post offering a million dollars to anyone with evidence of philandering by Clinton's Republican enemies. He struck paydirt with House Speaker-to-be Bob Livingston, uncovering an apparently embarrassing series of sexual dalliances that forced the Louisiana Republican to resign just hours before the House impeached Clinton. But despite Livingston's resignation, Flynt's hatred of Clinton's enemies was so intense that he threatened to release the humiliating details anyway. The pornographer was dissuaded only when the congressman's wife tearfully begged him not to. The White House became so enamoured of Flynt's dirt digging prowess that Clinton press secretary Joe Lockhart actually took to describing Hustler as a newsmagazine. Last year Flynt said that Clinton had communicated his appreciation. The President sent word to me, you know - ahh, he was thankful for my effort, and maybe after he left office we could break bread or something, he told The New York Observer. At the time, Flynt was trying to peddle an allegation that candidate George Bush had, while in his late 20's, impregnated a Texas woman, causing her to get an abortion. But the woman refused to come forward and reportedly threatened to sue the Hustler publisher if he ever used her name. While a connection to the Clintons has yet to emerge in Flynt's current effort to embarrass the Bush family, Hillary Clinton has become the president's most outspoken critic in the Senate and is believed to be readying her own run for the White House in 2004. In 1997 Flynt became friendly with longtime Clinton political strategist James Carville when the two appeared together in the movie, The People vs. Larry Flynt. === Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to
Re: [CTRL] NM: Larry Flynt Targets First Daughter with $10 Million Offer
-Caveat Lector- The celebrated pornogapher first began collecting Republican scalps during President Clinton's impeachment, Another Newsmax lie. Or perhaps they never saw the explicit pics of Larry McDonald in the April 1984 issue. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NM: Larry Flynt Targets First Daughter with $10 Million Offer
In a message dated 6/8/01 12:40:28 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another Newsmax lie. Another Seems they're purdy' good at THAT!!! Ain't they on the payroll Nahh?? Never... Bunch of MORONIC s And their SHEEPLE! Bill.
Re: [CTRL] More of proGay Pressure
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Andrew Hennessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of proGay Pressure show me the supporting evidence for your claim. show me the stats, boy If you disallow my information sources - which was the media - how could you possibly allow any other evidence ?? i used Souter's finformation regarding the results of his poll. so you can do the same to upport your surious claims. clause 28 pertains to sex issues at school and also teaching the value of christian marriage that is not true- it pertains to local authorities- schools, libraries etc and NOWHERE is there anything about christian marriage! LOL of the opponents - On this occassion at least - the Tabloid had to have got it right. tabloids are not on wither side- they are out to make money, nothing else- they will do anything to keep making money- suggesting that tabloid newspapers have integrity is just silly. show me evidence of even one single gay schoolbook. just one. you want to dispute the published facts and put the onus on me no- simply that i say there are NO gay schoolbooks. show me published evidence, seeing as you claim to have it, that there is even ONE gay schoolbook. thassall to reresearch published facts - maybe even buy a book ? if you want to play mind games - you show me the evidence that there wasn't warehouses FULL of gay schoolbooks for young children. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Panel Tells Bush Global Warming Is Getting Worse
-Caveat Lector- Thursday June 07 08:31 AM EDT Panel Tells Bush Global Warming Is Getting Worse By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE with ANDREW C. REVKIN The New York Times In a conclusion that may change President Bush (news - web sites)'s environmental policy, a panel of scientists said that global warming was a real problem and getting worse. WASHINGTON, June 6 A panel of top American scientists declared today that global warming was a real problem and was getting worse, a conclusion that may lead President Bush to change his stand on the issue as he heads next week to Europe, where the United States is seen as a major source of the air pollution held responsible for climate change. In a much-anticipated report from the National Academy of Sciences (news - web sites), 11 leading atmospheric scientists, including previous skeptics about global warming, reaffirmed the mainstream scientific view that the earth's atmosphere was getting warmer and that human activity was largely responsible. Greenhouse gases are accumulating in earth's atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to rise, the report said. Temperatures are, in fact, rising. The report was requested by the White House last month in anticipation of an international meeting on global warming in Bonn in July but arrived just before President Bush leaves next week for Europe, a trip that includes talks on global warming with leaders of the 15 European Union (news - web sites) countries in Goteborg, Sweden. European leaders expressed outrage in March when Mr. Bush rejected the global warming pact known as the Kyoto Protocol (news - web sites), an international treaty negotiated in Kyoto, Japan, in 1997, and the subject has been building as an important test of the administration's foreign policy. In the White House's first official acknowledgment of the academy's conclusions, Condoleezza Rice (news - web sites), Mr. Bush's national security adviser, told reporters today, This is a president who takes extremely seriously what we do know about climate change, which is essentially that there is warming taking place. Mr. Bush and many in his cabinet, who discussed the subject at length on Tuesday, have been trying to hammer out a proposal on limiting the pollutants that cause global warming. A cabinet-level working group is still working on what it wishes to say to the president before we go to Europe, Ms. Rice said. She said Mr. Bush would talk with the allies a little bit about what we've learned thus far. Without being specific, Ms. Rice said Mr. Bush was being guided by certain principles in formulating a proposal. One would want to be certain that developing countries were accounted for in some way, that technology and science really ought to be important parts of this answer, that we cannot do something that damages the American economy or other economies because growth is also important, she said. In response to critics who have suggested that Mr. Bush is ignoring an issue of mounting international concern, Ms. Rice portrayed the group as feverishly committed to educating itself and coming up with a proposal. It has been a matter of bringing up to speed some of the highest- ranking people in this government, she said. I would dare say dare challenge you to find a situation in which you've had so many high-ranking people sitting there week after week after week, understanding the challenge that we face in global climate change, everybody from the vice president, the secretary of state, the secretary of interior, secretary of agriculture. It has been quite something to see all of these people grappling with the issue. Administration officials have said privately that the White House could have handled the matter with greater tact, and Ms. Rice conceded as much today. The president had made clear when he was a candidate that he did not believe the Kyoto Protocol addressed the problem of climate change in a way that the United States could support, she said. In retrospect, perhaps the fact that we understood that we had already said this was not immediately observable to everybody, and it might have been better to let people know again, in advance, including our allies, that we were not going to support the protocol. This was unusually blunt talk from a White House that until now has fastidiously avoided the phrase global warming and repeatedly expressed doubts about the clarity of the science underlying the theory that emissions from smokestacks and tailpipes were heating the atmosphere in ways that posed a threat. In an indication of the headwind that Mr. Bush is sailing into next week in Europe, the journal Science, published by an American scientific organization, recently carried an open letter signed by 16 prestigious scientific panels in countries around the world calling for prompt action to reduce the gases like carbon dioxide that trap heat like in a greenhouse.
[CTRL] FOX: Dems Launch Investigations Into Bush's Handling of Energy Crisis
-Caveat Lector- http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,26722,00.html Dems Launch Investigations Into Bush's Handling of Energy Crisis FOX NEWS Friday, June 8, 2001 WASHINGTON - Senate Democrats decided to test their day-old majority mettle Thursday, launching two Government Affairs Committee investigations into the way President Bush is handling the California energy crisis and his decision to postpone several last-minute orders issued by President Clinton before he left office. Former vice presidential candidate Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn., chose the day he took over the senate committee from its outgoing chairman, Sen. Fred Thompson, R-Tenn., to announce an investigation into the energy crunch and allegations that Bush and the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission have been slow to react. [FERC and the administration] have been following a theoretical, ideological model which is hostile to entering into the marketplace with price controls, Lieberman said Thursday. I think that FERC has the authority to act and should have acted already to give more protection to the electricity customers of California, Lieberman declared. He also plans to lead an investigation into the President's decision to halt the implementation of Clinton's various eleventh-hour executive orders on the environment and consumer protection, including the controversial maximum arsenic levels in water and the ban on the construction of roads in national parks. In doing so, we may put the brakes on any additional plans the administration has to roll back other environmental or consumer protection regulations, said Lieberman, who fought and lost an exhaustive battle with former Vice President Al Gore against Bush for the presidency just six months ago. Nevertheless, Lieberman says the investigations are not retribution for the many investigations launched against the Clinton/Gore administration when the GOP had control of the senate. Thompson's committee had played a role in many of those probes. - Fox News' Carl Cameron contributed to this report. === Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ABCNews: Intern Spent Night, Condit Told Police
-Caveat Lector- ABC News Condit Demands Apology for Intern Report W A S H I N G T O N, June 7 - California congressman Gary Condit is demanding an apology from The Washington Post for reporting that Chandra Levy, the former government intern who has been missing for more than a month, spent a night at his apartment. The Post this morning quoted unidentified law enforcement sources as saying that Condit, a Democrat, told Washington police that Levy, 24, had spent at least one night at his apartment. In an interview today with KFSN-TV in Fresno, Calif., Condit's chief of staff Mike Lynch denied the Post story and demanded both a retraction and an apology from the paper. The Washington Post had a report that is false, Lynch said. Congressman Condit did not make those statements to the police. The Post also quoted an unidentified Levy relative saying the former intern had claimed she was having a romance with Condit. After Condit's staff participated in a lengthy bicoastal conference call today, his office called the Post Metro section. But acting city desk editor Erica Johnston said the paper has no plans to issue a retraction. We were told by his office that they would be seeking a retraction, Johnston said. All I can say is we have no basis upon which to retract what we wrote. The congressman's staff repeatedly has denied any sort of romantic involvement between Levy and and 53-year-old Condit, who is married. The congressman himself has steadfastly refused to publicly answer questions about the matter. Asked again to describe Condit's relationship with Levy, Lynch refused to go beyond past statements saying it could undermine police efforts to find the young woman. We've issued statements on that I've got to refer you to those, Lynch said. We've not talked about the investigation since those statements because of the policy not to interfere with the investigation. Levy vanished sometime after canceling a gym membership in Washington on April 30. Her parents, who had been expecting her to return home to California after having completed an internship at the federal Bureau of Prisons, contacted police a week later. Police have scoured the city for clues, but have come up with little evidence. Condit has released a paper statement characterizing Levy as a good friend and put up $10,000 from his campaign treasury to add to a $30,000 reward fund. Police still classify the Levy search as a missing persons case and have not uncovered any evidence of a crime. Brian Hartman, Arianne DeVogue and Rebecca Bershadker contributed to this report. Condit Chief of Staff Statement Condit Chief of Staff Mike Lynch: The Washington Post had a report that is false. The police department has made clear that they did not make those statements. Congressmen Condit did not make those statements to the police. The police have confirmed that they did not make those statements to The Washington Post. We have asked the Post for a retraction. Prior to a days ago, actually about a week ago, the Post ran another article that they had to clarify and correct. . Along the same lines So we hope that the Post will be honorable and retract the article. Question: Do you feel the Post is out to get the congressman? Lynch: I can't speak to people's motive on this. The issue here for Congressman Condit is very very simple. We should all work to find out what happened to Chandra Levy. We ought not to engage in speculation. We ought not to distract the investigators. We should just cooperate with them 100 percent give them any and all help we can and let them do their work. The rest of this is a sideshow and people who engage in it ought to realize they jeopardize the overall effort. Question: Can you describe the congressman's relationship if any with this woman Lynch: We're not talking about the investigation at all. We've issued statements on that I've got to refer you to those. We've not talked about the investigation since those statements because of the policy not to interfere with the investigation Question: Is there any romantic relationship between the two? Lynch: I refer you to the statements === Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to
[CTRL] Fwd: 'All Hell Breaking Loose' In Nepal - A Resident's Version Of Events
Interesting item - Nepal was visited by two Presidents - Papa Bush and Jimmy Carter - maybe roads have something to do with this. It is said Nepal is a poor Shangrah Li - three UN agenies make home there - vendetta, Russian style here did in entire family and of course we know how the communists love to wipe out entire lines but one got away - and the hated brother takes the throne. Osama bin Laden works to restore rightful heir to Saudi Arabia - the young prince with whom I had the pleasure to meet in 1967 Prince Turki Fasal, was to have been the King when his father died - so a black from Berkley California, a Black Nationalist - murdered the King, and the brother took the throne. Nepal is evidently of stragic importance - maybe someone wants to make it into a Meyer Lansky type paradise and build hotels like Bilderbergers for the tourist trade and you wonder why the one arab country destroyed the huge statutes which were international treasures.worshiping a pile of rocks as opposed to a group of people who want to prevent the takeover? Surely such a poor little country and note they speak oh how poor they are - surely whoever behind this has ulterior motives and paves way for communist takeover? Like communists murdered 12 million Christians, and by vicious vendetta murdered the Czar and Czarina and all their children? Interesting item..maybe Nepal will turn into real cesspool now, like London where their bridge is beginning to really fall. Saba 'All Hell Breaking Loose' In Nepal - A Resident's Version Of Events From Cynthia Edwards 6-6-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Monday, June 4 Dear Friends - Today is a dark day in the history of the world and about to become darker. Friday night the entire royal family of Nepal and their body guards were brutally murdered in cold blood at the regular Friday night family gathering (this included the 9 month old princess). What has been reported as a family squabble with the crown prince killing everyone and then shooting himself, and even a gun going off by itself (somehow killing 30+ people, some of whom were not in the same room?!) are outright lies. Immediately, the Royals were burned, much sooner than would be normal practice. The crown prince, the supposed killer, was made king while lying brain dead. Ironically, the king's brother, Gyanendra was out of town. At the same time his nephew, Paresh, a known murderer of at least 5 people(!) was in the place . So was the king's other brother Direndra, who has been living in London since 1990 and has been estranged from the royal family. Both brothers are criminals who have been involved with stealing and selling the antiquities of Nepal, drugs selling, and who knows what else. Both brothers vehemently were against democracy in Nepal and there was a huge fight between them all when King Birendra gave up the powers of the Monarchy in 1990 and declared a democracy for Nepal. It has long been known that Gyanendra has had a CIA link as well as ties to the government of India. What those connections are in this whole affair remains to be seen. There are no secrets in Nepal! Since Saturday most people have known the prince was dead even though the official news was saying otherwise. People knew they were being lied to but they were in shock so the streets were fairly quiet for 2 days. But as early as saturday afternoon, crowds were gathering outside the palace and at the funeral chanting, Kill the criminals, Kill Gyandera. In the meantime, more and more inside news was leaking out and it was fast becoming clear that this was a carefully orchestrated plot by at least the 2 brothers and nephew to seize control of Nepal. This morning, the prince was officially declared dead. One hour later, as I am writing this, Gyanendra has just been crowned king with full regalia, the Prime Minister and political leaders standing mutely by. Clearly this was all planned WELL in advance to be able to pull this off so quickly! And clearly the Prime Minister is either afraid to say anything or else is in collusion. And Paresh has already been sent to London for safety. I can hear the shouts of crowds in the street heading toward the palace. People are furious that Gyanendra, murderer of his own family and their king, has now been made king. And this anger has been building for a long time as a totally corrupt government has been running this country into the ground since the advent of democracy in 1990. The army is in the street along with hundreds of thousands of people, roads are closed, and no one knows what will happen. We fear a blood bath as Gyanendra now controls the army. The lastest report from a friend on the street is that tear gas is being fired into the crowds. Democracy was struggling in Nepal, at best, but now it is sure to die a swift death. Perhaps it doesn't matter to you what happens in this far away tiny country, so unrelated to your own lives. But at least you can know the truth and tell others so
[CTRL] AP: Davidian prosecutor sentenced to probation for withholding information
-Caveat Lector- Nation: Davidian prosecutor sentenced to probation for withholding information By JOE STANGE, Associated Press ST. LOUIS (June 7, 2001 12:58 p.m. EDT) - A former federal prosecutor was sentenced to two years' probation Thursday for withholding information that exploding tear gas canisters were used during the 1993 Branch Davidian siege that ended in the deaths of some 80 people. U.S. District Judge Charles Shaw also ordered Bill Johnston to perform 200 hours of community service. Maybe you need to talk to some high school students, Shaw said. Maybe you can help somebody not to make a similar mistake. Johnston, standing before the judge, said: Whatever my reason, it was wrong. It will never be right to withhold something in fear or panic or whatever reason. Whether Johnston would get probation or jail time remained up in the air prior to Thursday's hearing, despite an earlier agreement reached with prosecutors after Johnston pleaded guilty in February. Prosecutors withdrew their pledge to recommend probation because they said Johnston violated his plea agreement when he made statements to the publication Texas Lawyer after his guilty plea. At the hearing, the judge allowed prosecutor Jim Martin to withdraw the probation recommendation. Johnston was convicted of withholding information about the use of pyrotechnic tear gas on April 19, 1993, the day the compound burned. It was Johnston himself who set in motion renewed scrutiny of government missteps in the siege by warning then-attorney general Janet Reno in 1999 that she and the public were being misled about the FBI's handling of it. Johnston admitted withholding one page of pretrial notes related to the 1994 prosecution of several surviving Branch Davidians. Bill Johnston's behavior is not atypical of other people that claim to be whistleblowers, often blowing the whistle to cover their own tracks, Martin told reporters afterward. Johnston pleaded guilty to one charge of misprision of a felony, a crime similar to obstruction of justice that carries a lesser penalty. Prosecutors agreed to drop two counts of obstruction of justice and three counts of lying to investigators and a federal grand jury. In the Feb. 19 issue of Texas Lawyer, Johnston was quoted as saying, I didn't plead guilty to anything they indicted me for. They charged me with obstruction of justice and five counts of false statements. I did not plead guilty to that and was not guilty of that. Johnston was indicted by a grand jury in St. Louis on Nov. 8, just before former Sen. John Danforth, assigned by then-President Clinton to look into the Waco siege, released his final report absolving the government of wrongdoing in the siege. The Johnston case was heard here because Danforth conducted his investigation from his office in downtown St. Louis. === Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AP: Davidian prosecutor sentenced to probation for withholding information
-Caveat Lector- Maybe Waco was Warsaw Ghetto Day? For the FBI and BATF specifically chose that date to incinerate the children and on their payroll was the Japanese sharpshooter who gunned down Vicki Weaver at Ruby Ridge after the little eighth grader and his dog were shot and killed? Of course then we know what happened in Japan the day the big bomb was dropped... Japanese sharpshooter who went to West point and was raised in Hawaii as I recall.claimed to be Catholic which is the biggest crock of all. So think of Waco was Waco Ghetto Day? For the 19th of April was chosen for a very particular reason - Gideon and his 300? Why the need to destroy Waco and everything in it - like Oklahoma, McVeigh left secret messages in a Gideon Bible in his motel room? For Gideon was a man who did exactly as god ordered (note the little g)...a cowardly hit and run guerilla fighter - sneak attacks. And Waco was just good training for whom? Liars testifying in Court slapped on wrist - is there any difference between the children murdered at Waco while being tormented by psychological warfare and the children in the Murrah Building? Took Delta, tanks, flamethrowers, D Platoons, Nato, FBI and BATF to take down Waco and a man with a load of Fertilizer took down the Murrah Building acting all alone Maybe we should have a Gideon and his 300 Day in celebration of these atrocities or maybe Larry Flynt will run a special feature on same someday. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] UPI: GAO Probes Vandalism by Clinton White House
-Caveat Lector- GAO Probes Vandalism by Clinton White House Wednesday, June 6, 2001 WASHINGTON (UPI) - The General Accounting Office is opening an investigation into reports of White House vandalism by the departing Clinton administration, officials from the agency said Tuesday. GAO officials said they planned to look at a newly disclosed list of damages and conduct interviews with aides to the former and present presidents to substantiate reports by Bush officials that Clinton staffers trashed the White House grounds as they left in January. It's probably going to be a laborious, time-consuming process, said Bernard Ungar, GAO's director of physical infrastructure, who pointed to a list of alleged damages the White House aired over the weekend, which the GAO has the task of proving at the request of Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga. Ungar, whose agency acts as the investigative arm of Congress, told Barr last week that the congressman's initial request for an investigation into reports of White House vandalism was a dead letter because the White House could provide no written record of damages. Then, over the weekend, as former Clinton officials demanded an apology from the Bush administration in the absence of proof of vandalism, White House spokesman Ari Fleischer offered a list to the Washington Post. Ungar said the White House was preparing an official list of damages for his office, which could begin looking over the claims as soon as late Tuesday. Now there's a list, that kind of changed our approach, Ungar said. At least now there's a place to start. Ungar said the first step would be to compare the list of damages with White House maintenance logs, which the GAO previously ruled out as sources of evidence because the White House said they lacked detail. Ungar said GAO investigators would use interviews to try to fill any gaps in evidence between the maintenance logs and the list of damages. He also opened the possibility of subpoenas, but said so far the White House had promised to cooperate openly. The inquiry would be the first congressional investigation ordered during Bush's tenure as president. Ungar also said his team would look into the previous transition in 1992, when former President George Bush lost the White House to Clinton, to provide a balanced presentation of any findings. Reports of pranks and crimes by staffers of the outgoing White House circulated widely in the media shortly after Bush took office in January. Fleischer and other White House officials suggested that Clinton staffers were responsible for a wide array of damages they said they found upon coming into the White House. They did not offer concrete proof of vandalism, however, because they said Bush wanted to put the matter to rest. The story fizzled when Clinton called for a list of damages and the costs, and offered to pay for any needed repairs. The Bush White House then began dampening media speculation about the report. Meanwhile, acting on Barr's initial request, the GAO looked into the allegations, asking the White House administrative offices and the General Services Administration for any records of the alleged damages. Neither office offered any written proof, and Fleischer said the White House's efforts to catalogue the damages stopped at mental notes made by White House administrative staff. Those mental notes, made by an individual who the White House has refused to name, became the basis for Fleischer's list, which was apparently drafted Friday for the first time. The list of vandalism, which reportedly occurred mostly in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, includes a presidential seal torn from a wall, vulgar graffiti in six offices, profane voice mail recordings on 15 phone lines, 10 phone lines cut and 100 broken computer keyboards. Claire Buchan, a Bush administration spokeswoman, said the White House counsel's office had photographs of the vandalism, but did not explain why they were not offered to the GAO when the agency first requested proof of vandalism. If the GAO would like more information, we would be happy to complete a list and be helpful, Buchan said. We stand by that list as provided to us by those involved in cleaning up and preparing the offices. Ungar said he had seen the White House photographs, which surfaced on Internet sites Tuesday. But he said the images showed only messy conditions, not vandalism. Copyright 2001 by United Press International. All rights reserved. === Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds
[CTRL] WT: Waste, fraud linked to Clinton
-Caveat Lector- June 6, 2001 Waste, fraud linked to Clinton By John Godfrey THE WASHINGTON TIMES The Clinton administration´s staff cuts are to blame for much of the waste, fraud and abuse in the federal government, according to a report released yesterday by Sen. Fred Thompson, Tennessee Republican. The report, filed by Mr. Thompson on his last day as chairman of the Senate Government Affairs Committee, found that staff reductions under Mr. Clinton actually detracted from the capacity of agencies to carry out essential functions and made them more vulnerable to fraud, waste and mismanagement. The report said the layoffs caused a brain drain that cost the government many of its most experienced and valuable employees. More importantly, the administration did not provide a commensurate reduction in federal responsibilities, meaning the federal government wound up doing the same old things in the same old way, but with fewer experienced employees. At a press conference yesterday, Mr. Thompson downplayed the report´s criticism of the Clinton administration, saying it would take leadership and bipartisanship to fix the problem. The findings are part of two-volume, 200-page report cataloging reports of mismanagement filed over the last two years by the General Accounting Office, departmental inspectors general and others. That report found problems not only with the federal work force, but with financial management, information technology and with overlap and duplication of government efforts. This is something the president takes very seriously, said Office of Management and Budget Director Mitch Daniels, who accepted the report from Mr. Thompson at the press conference. [Mr. Thompson] has provided us a road map to attack a problem that has been festering for a long time, he said. Mr. Thompson said many of the problems, including Boston´s $13.6 billion Big Dig highway project, which is more than five times more expensive than projected, mammoth financial mismanagement at the Department of Defense, and $12 billion in annual mispayments from Medicare, were not created by the Clinton administration. But the Clinton administration did not give them the attention they deserved, either. Also on a top-10 list of the worst examples of mismanagement is the Internal Revenue Service for its financial shortcomings. But Mr. Daniels said he and the White House will reject the funding increases recommended by the IRS Oversight Board, an independent board created by Congress. The board says the Bush administration´s request for a 4.7 percent funding increase for the agency is inadequate. Mr. Daniels dismissed the recommendation as having come from a single-issue group. The report took aim at duplication of government effort, such as the nine agencies operating 27 teen-pregnancy programs, and raw mismanagement, such as $1.3 billion in mispayments made by the Department of Agriculture through the food stamp program. But the report also found fault with Congress. We, as senators, presume already that the Pentagon needs more money, the report quotes Sen. Charles E. Grassley, Iowa Republican, as saying during a speech from the Senate floor this winter. But, Mr. Grassley continued, the Pentagon does not know how much it spends, [and] if the Pentagon does not know what it owns and spends, then how does the Pentagon know it needs more money? Mr. Thompson said the report shows that the government must also make some new investments in human capital and technology. We need to get the federal government into the 21st century, even if we have to drag it in kicking and screaming, the report concluded. === Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL
[CTRL] NetZero: Juno Merger Announcement
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Mark Goldston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:05 PM Subject: NetZero Announcement Dear NetZero Users, Earlier today, it was announced that NetZero and Juno Online Services have agreed to a strategic merger. Together we will form a new company, United Online, Inc. This exciting merger will bring together the two clear leaders in the free and value priced Internet access markets to form the second largest Internet access provider in the United States. While the merger will take a few months to close, be assured that you will continue to receive top quality Internet access from NetZero and your email address will not change. In the future, United Online will unveil new products and services that will further enhance your online experience. It is important to note that both services, NetZero and Juno, will continue going forward and we will strive to create the best possible Internet access experience for each and every one of you. As a bigger, stronger company with significant resources in capital, technology and people, the new United Online, Inc. will be one of the premier ISP organizations in the world. We thank you for your continued support and look forward to a very exciting future under the United Online umbrella! Sincerely, Mark R. Goldston Chairman and CEO of NetZero, Inc. === Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Ex-Marine on Vietnam
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[CTRL] from Undernews June 7--DynCorp
-Caveat Lector- COLOMBIA Julian Borger, GUARDIAN, London: Of the $1.3 billion set aside by Congress last year for Plan Colombia - the program of military and development aid by which Washington hopes to stem the supply of narcotics to the US at their source - a great deal is going to commercial ventures. The biggest of the companies involved is DynCorp, a huge conglomerate based in northern Virginia near the CIA's Langley headquarters . . . The DynCorp contract is a study in vagueness. The section dealing with search and rescue says: This operation deals with downed aircraft or hostile action by narcotics producers or traffickers. It gives no further details. Information about mercenaries was once draped with a thick blanket of secrecy labeled national security. Nowadays the blanket has a new brand name: corporate confidentiality. Thus, members of Congress have not even been officially told which company was flying the surveillance plane on April 20 over Peru . . . Janice Schakowsky, a Democratic congresswoman from Illinois, has been amazed at the secrecy surrounding companies that receive hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayers' money. We are hiring a secret army, she said. We are engaging in a secret war, and the American people need to be told why. MORE http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/GWeekly/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OKC question was: Partners in Crime:
-Caveat Lector- --- Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: McVeigh did not know about the nursery, but the FBI and BATF did and they did not show up for work that day and let the cihldren die? Were the children of the BATF and FBI people in the daycare center or were they absent too? Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Coalition for Constitutional Liberties, Vol. 5 #11 (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Weekly Update for 6/7/01 COALITION FOR CONSTITUTIONAL LIBERTIES Volume 5, Number 11 Brought to you by the Center for Technology Policy of the Free Congress Foundation Lisa S. Dean, Vice President for Technology Policy (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) J. Bradley Jansen, Coalition Coordinator (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hannah H. Woody, Coalition Coordinator (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) phone: (202) 546-3000 fax: (202) 544-2819 http://www.FreeCongress.org [N.B. Thanks to all who helped us by signing on to the letter opposing the global Know Your Customer proposal. The Financial Times credits our coalition with forcing the administration to reconsider the government's policies. Kudos to our members! -- JBJ] *** THIS WEEK: * PERSONAL PRIVACY VS. GOVERNMENT DATABASES by Lisa S. Dean, from the Endangered Liberties Television Program * FBI DIRECTOR REPLACEMENT A SERIOUS DECISION FOR BUSH by Paul M. Weyrich, from the Endangered Liberties Television Program * U.S. MAY EASE STANCE ON MONEY LAUNDERING By Edward Alden and Michael Peel, Financial Times * U.S. TREASURY HOPES TO EASE BURDEN OF ANTI-LAUNDERING EFFORTS ON BANKS DAVID S. CLOUD and JACOB M. SCHLESINGER, Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, June 7, 2001 http://interactive.wsj.com/media/atlas-wsjbrand.gif * IDENTITY THIEVES THRIVE IN INFORMATION AGE, Rise of Online Data Brokers Makes Criminal Impersonation Easier By Robert O'Harrow Jr., Washington Post Staff Writer * LETTER FROM CONGRESSMAN PAUL TO SECRETARY THOMPSON REGARDING THE MEDICAL PRIVACY RULE Forwarded by Norman Singleton, May 23, 2001 http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2001/cr052301B.htm * ARMEY DECRIED UNIVERSAL MEDICAL IDS, HOUSE LEADER: 'FEDERAL LAW IS BEING VIOLATED' By Jon Dougherty, WorldNetDaily.com, May 29, 2001, http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23005 * PROTECTING PRIVACY AND PREVENTING MISUSE OF SOCIAL SECURITY : Hearing before the House Ways and Means Social Security Subcommittee, May 22, 2001 http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2001/cr052201.htm PERSONAL PRIVACY VS. GOVERNMENT DATABASES by Lisa S. Dean From the Endangered Liberties Television Program In discussions about personal privacy vs. government databases, privacy advocates have argued quite correctly that our video rental records have more privacy protection than our medical records. Now that the Bush Administration has given the green light for the implementation of Clinton's medical privacy regulations, it can still be said truthfully that our video rental records have more privacy protection than do our medical records. Under the newly released U. S. Health and Human Services medical privacy regulations, physicians would be required to report all patients' medical records to HHS and other government agencies, thereby extinguishing all of what's left of the doctor/patient confidentiality tradition in this country. These government agencies would have unfettered access to our medical histories, for the purpose, they claim, of ensuring that the privacy regulations are being followed by health care professionals. How ironic! Physicians would also be required to turn over that same information on their patients to any other federal agency who requested it for the purpose of observing public health activities. Your personal medical information would be turned over to these government agencies without the patient's consent. In addition to your private, personal medical histories being readily available to the federal government, law enforcement would also be able to access them as well, without a warrant. If the US government wishes, under these regulations, it would be allowed to turn any citizen's medical files over to a foreign government if they believe that it is for the purpose of national health, whatever that means. But government agencies, foreign governments as well as law enforcement aren't the only entities that will know what illnesses you suffer from or what diseases you might have been treated for. Under the new HHS rule, direct marketing companies will be able to view that information as well in order to tailor their marketing strategies for products to your needs. And we all know what happens when one marketing company gets a hold of your personal information. Soon you find yourself bombarded by telemarketers who think that you might be interested in their products as well because, after all, according to your medical records, you need them. The worst part about all of this, even the violation of personal privacy, is that you, the patient, have no say whatsoever in who gets your information. People who wouldn't tell friends or family members what they are being treated for will have government officials or some telemarketer, whom they have never met or will never meet, knowing what illness they have and what treatment they are undergoing for it, no matter how slight or severe the illness or embarrassing the disease. There are no
[CTRL] (Fwd) Danforth's Supreme Gambit
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded message follows --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 03:59:21 EDT Subject:Danforth's Supreme Gambit To: undisclosed-recipients:; * Waco Tragedy News * (6/8/01) Danforth's Supreme Gambit by James Bovard (6/7/01) Last week marked the official launch of former Sen. John Danforth's campaign to snare a nomination to the Supreme Court. Danforth got a big splash in the Washington Post on Friday, in which he declared that the FBI sought to stonewall his Special Counsel investigation of Waco. Danforth stated his belief that the FBI may not have turned over all the evidence to his investigators. But he reassured the Post and the Establishment that, regardless of whatever evidence the FBI withheld, there is no chance that it would have any effect on our findings. It is unusual for a prosecutor to absolve his target after publicly admitting that he failed to fulfill his duty to gather all the necessary information to make an informed judgment. But Danforth went much further. Earlier this year, Danforth sent a personal note to Janet Reno: I've heard you talk about the decision you made in Waco. I have had the chance as your special counsel to review that decision. I did not pass judgment on it in my report but I want you to know that I think you did exactly the right thing. Perhaps Danforth gives Reno credit for the fact that, despite the final assault Reno authorized on April 19, 1993, most children in Texas didn't die that day. Danforth apparently considers it no blemish that Reno initially justified the final assault because of ongoing child abuse -- yet, after this charge collapsed, Reno shrugged off her error: I now understand that nobody in the [FBI] told me that it was ongoing. We were briefed, and I misunderstood. It was a harmless error, except for the kids who were gassed or burned to death after Reno misunderstood. Danforth presumably approves of Reno's statement in congressional testimony when she compared the 54-ton tanks used in the final assault to a good rent-a- car. Reno clearly knew what she was doing when she personally chose Danforth to investigate her, the Justice Department, and the FBI. Danforth's recent comments highlight how he continues to view Waco primarily as an opportunity to offer personal absolution to the federal government and high-ranking government officials. As for his critics, Danforth has a term for them. As the Post put it, Danforth complains that 'conspiracy theorists' will always find fault with his investigation. Danforth rushed to issue his Waco report days before George W. Bush announced his vice-presidential choice. Now, with the Supreme Court session ending later this month and rumors of pending retirements, Danforth is racing to get his name in the news again. Unfortunately for Danforth, his credibility continues to deteriorate week by week. A key part of Danforth's investigation into Waco was the re-enactment of the FBI's final assault. However, filmmaker Mike McNulty charged in a A HREF=http://www.flirproject.com/;new documentary/A (www.flirproject.com) that Danforth's team tested the wrong weapons and ammo in the re-enactment -- producing results not worth a plug nickel. (See Bovard, A HREF=http://www.spectator.org/campaign/bovard/bovard.htm;The Latest Waco Fireball/A). On June 1, an Associated Press article quoted Robert Stewart, one of Danforth's chief investigators, conceding that the re-enactment failed to use the same type of assault rifle the FBI used on the final day at Waco. Since Danforth's report focused heavily on muzzle flash evidence to prove that no federal agents fired at Davidians before and after their home burst into flames, use of the wrong weapon makes a mockery of Danforth's analysis. Filmmaker McNulty says regarding the use of the wrong weapon for the re-enactment: The question is what did Danforth know and when did he know it? McNulty suggests that if Danforth knowingly misrepresented the accuracy of the re-enactment, he may face problems regarding 18 U.S. Code Section 1001 -- making false statements to a federal officer -- for his comments to Federal Judge Walter Smith and U.S. attorneys, as well as his testimony to the U.S. Senate. (Given the way this law is administered, however, only private citizens normally face legal peril.) In any event, Congress shouldn't wait for a Danforth nomination to the Supreme Court to question him about his $12 million investigation of Waco and why he turned it into a self-promotion gambit for himself. James Bovard is the author of Feeling Your Pain: The Explosion Abuse of Government Power in the Clinton-Gore Years (St. Martin's Press). --- End of forwarded message --- -- Best Wishes If a poet has any obligation toward society, it is to write well. Being in the minority, he has no other choice. Failing this
[CTRL] CIA director to ask Arafat to arrest resistance fighters (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- CIA director to ask Arafat to arrest resistance fighters Occupied Jerusalem: 7 June, 2001 (IAP News) - CIA Director George Tenet will ask Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat when he meets him tonight to arrest hundreds of Palestinians who took part in the armed resistance against the Israeli occupation army, informed sources in Jerusalem said today. The sources said Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, whose troops killed over 500 Palestinians, 144 of them children and minors, since the outbreak of the Palestinian uprising more than 8 months ago, gave Tenet a list of 138 names he demanded that Arafat should put them in jail. In two days, a high-ranking Israeli army officer hinted that Israeli warplanes would strike at Hamas and Islamic Jihad detainees once they are incarcerated. This way we could strike two birds with one stone, we kill the terrorists and spark off civil war in the ranks of the Palestinians, said the officer during a talk-in show on the Hebrew radio, Cal Yisrael. The list of names which Tenet is to hand Arafat doesn't include Fatah fighters. CIA apparently advised Sharon that it would be inexpedient to demand of Arafat the arrest of many Fatah fighters on the grounds that this would weaken him since Fatah is his power-base. PA official Nabil Sha'ath said the PA wouldn't arrest Palestinian fighters in response to the Israeli request. The PA is not going to act as Israel's policeman, he said on Thursday. Meanwhile, an Islamic leader in the Ramallah region has warned the Preventive Security Agency, headed by Col. Jebril Rajoub, against arresting freedom fighters from Hamas, Fatah, and the Islamic Jihad. It would be a colossal scandal to see Jebril's men start arresting the freedom fighters who defended our women and children against the barbaric Zionist rampage if he (Rajoub) such a thing, he would be ejected by the people and worse, said the Islamist leader who demanded anonymity. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Idaho standoff: ex lawyer as Nazi ties
-Caveat Lector- Typo. I meant has Nazi ties This is outrageous! Any lawyer who has a Nazi tie should not wear it to court...it may prejudice the judge or jury against his/her client. flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Idaho standoff: ex lawyer as Nazi ties
-Caveat Lector- Typo. I meant has Nazi ties Isn't that sort of like saying Johnny Cochran has criminal ties because he once defended O. J. Simpson? -- Best Wishes A regulation can be for a fool to obey, and a wise man to break. -Marshall of the R.A.F., Sir Hugh Trenchard A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FC: Operation Swordfish review: A half-baked geek flick (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,44373,00.html This Swordfish Is Half-Baked By Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 2:00 a.m. June 8, 2001 PDT WASHINGTON -- Operation: Swordfish could have been this summer's must-see geek thriller. The Warner Brothers film includes the right elements: clandestine federal agencies, an unbreakable government network, and the world's best hacker, on parole for breaking into and disabling the FBI's Carnivore spyware, who's recruited by a suave megalomaniac who just might be a terrorist as well. But Enemy of the State or Sneakers this isn't. Flawed though they were, at least those films made attempts to avoid the most glaring technical errors. Not so the forgettable performance by ostensible uber-hacker Stanley Jobson, played by Hugh Jackman, who looks far more comfortable loafing in an oil field shack in the film's first few minutes than in front of a keyboard. The script, written by Skip Woods, doesn't help. From Woods' offhand references -- Wired magazine is cited, one hacker is a Finn named Torvalds, Linux's KDE interface makes a cameo -- you can tell that he's passingly familiar with tech lore. But any geek worth his copy of The Elements of Programming Style will spend much of the movie fidgeting in his seat, wincing at the technical mistakes, and cursing Woods under his breath. Note to Hollywood: Code for worms is not typically created using AutoCAD, and even expert programmers cannot visualize 512-bit encryption keys and factor them just by thinking really, really hard. [...] - POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. To subscribe, visit http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ - A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [RMNEWS] JUNE 7 -- McGUCKIN FAMILY UPDATE
JUNE 7 -- McGUCKIN FAMILY UPDATE Posted By: Rayelan Date: Friday, 8 June 2001, 12:54 a.m. THERE ARE MANY EMAIL ADDRESSES LISTED BELOW. Mrs. McGuckin's address is listed also. Email and write as if YOUR life and CHILDREN depended on it, because they do!! If not you, who? If not now, when? If you do not stand up while you can, when they come for you, there will be NO ONE left to stand up for YOU!! -- June 7 - McGuckin Family Update From: Don Harkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Idaho Observer Dear Friends of the McGuckins - On channel 6 out of Spokane, Washington, on the evening of June 6, Phil Robinson (prosecutor) said over the airwaves that he is in the process of obtaining a search warrant to check the McGuckin residence for possible electrical and/or plumbing work that could be defective or not up to code, thereby jeopardizing the safety of the children. We received a call today from a Sandpoint resident who was told that Search and Rescue was called out by the Bonner Cty. Sheriff's Department to provide round the clock security watch on the McGuckin residence while Idaho Hazmat (Hazardous materials) out of Coeur d'Alene, a fire marshal from Boise, a plumbing and electrical inspector and some specialist from Washington state did a thorough inspection of their home. After writing to a local reporter and asking her several questions, we were sent the following via email regarding the alleged search warrant(s): I checked the court file today - no return of service for either/any of the search warrants. At this point, there are no public records available on the search warrants or probable cause for the search warrants. So there you have it. Phil Robinson is getting desperate to prove that the complaint he filed on May 29, leading to JoAnn's arrest, will hold up under public scrutiny. Another tidbit -- the county has told a woman who wanted to organize a protest that she would have to file for a permit and it would be 4 weeks before it would be approved. Also, a non-refundable bond is involved. Don and I have organized three protests outside of Bonner County and we simply contacted the police to tell them what we were doing and they thanked us for telling them and told us the parameters. This is truly outrageous! Dominant Media newspaper contact info: Spokesman Review - tel 208-344-6718; fax 208-765-7149; email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bonner County Daily Bee - tel 208-263-9534; fax 208-263-9091; email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Coeur d'Alene Press - tel 208-664-0212; fax 208-664-0212; email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Idaho Statesman - tel 208-377-6200; fax 208-377-6449; email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Address for JoAnn McGuckin, mom: Inmate JoAnn Guckin c/o Bonner County Jail 4001 N Boyer Sandpoint, ID 83864 Bonner County authorities: County Prosecutor Phil Robinson: (208) 263 6714 Bonner County Courthouse at: (208) 265-1432. Bonner County Courthouse 215 South First Ave Sandpoint, Idaho 83864 Bonner County Sheriff: Phil Jarvis, Sheriff Bonner County, Idaho (208) 263-8417 website: http://www.idahosheriff.com/bonner/ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bonner County Commissioners: Jerry Clemens. Brian Orr. And, Retired G-Man (wouldn't you know it), Tom Suttemeir. Bonner County Commissioners Phone: 208-265-1438 Fax: 208-265-1460 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bonner County Courthouse 215 South First Ave Sandpoint, Idaho 83864 Phone: 208-263-1438 Fax: 208-265-1460 Governor: Idaho Governor Dirk Kempthorne Office of the Governor 700 West Jefferson, 2nd Floor PO Box 83720 Boise, Idaho 83720-0034 or Fax 208-334-2175 Yours in the Spirit of Truth, Don and Ingri Harkins The Idaho Observer P.O. Box 457 Spirit Lake, ID 83869 (208) 255-2307/fax 255-2607 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.proliberty.com/observer DEAD DOCTORS DON'T LIE http://www.deaddoctorsdontlie.com/agent/raye/ From Rayelan, Publisher of Rumor Mill News: If you are like I am, and no longer trust the medical profession, check out this page. These are the products I use. Without them, I would NEVER be able to keep up the schedule I do with Rumor Mill News. If you need a little extra money as well as added energy, you should think about becoming a distributor. Several people have signed up under me, and already they are receiving checks. These products SELL themselves! If you spend a lot of time on the Internet, you can help yourself physically and financially by adding a Dead Doctors Don't Lie link to the bottom of your email. Signing up under Rumor Mill News will help keepThe Rumor Mill up and running. Thank you! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] RMNews, The Uncensored National
Re: [CTRL] I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE
-Caveat Lector- http://www.vineyard.net/vineyard/history/pledge.htm Nobody ever seems to mention that the pledge was written by a socialist. Mike -Original Message- From: Yardbird [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 6:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE Free Congress Foundation's Notable News Now Excerpts from FCF Programming and Other FCF Projects June 7, 2001 The Free Congress Guest Commentary I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE by Cindy Furnare I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE I pledge my loyalty, faith, and devotion and I pay sincere homage to the flag. How many people pledge allegiance to the American flag today? A heck of a lot less since 1992. I'm sure about that. It would be interesting to watch media outlets and talk show hosts take a survey and ask teenagers and adults if they can recite the Pledge of Allegiance to the American Flag. An interesting follow-up question should be asked, What does the pledge of allegiance mean to you? TO THE FLAG When I see the colors of the flag, I think of how many lives were lost and how many people were injured so that I can say the pledge of allegiance to the flag today. I think of the wars where young men fought and where young men died. I have an American Flag on a flagpole outside my bedroom window. As the flag billows proudly in the wind, I can hear the sweet sound of freedom and liberty. OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS America is a great country. It's unfortunate that so many Americans do not understand just how bountiful and blessed our country is. Even fewer understand what is meant by the phrase to the Republic for which it stands. ONE NATION UNDER GOD... This nation is a great nation and many of us still give thanks to God for allowing America to become one nation under God. It's by God's grace that we are still a sovereign nation today. INDIVISIBLE... The hateful tool of political correctness is a divisive weapon being used to carve out the traditional values which are the very heart of our nation's great heritage. United we stand. Divided we fall! WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. -II Corinthians 3:17 As our culture continues to crumble, one can wonder if there really is justice for all. We'll see. CINDY'S NOTE: Have you taken THE PLEDGE today? CHRISTIAN FLAG I pledge allegiance to the Christian Flag, and to the Savior for whose kingdom it stands, one Savior, crucified, risen and coming again, with life and liberty to all who believe. BIBLE I pledge allegiance to the Bible, God's Holy Word. I will make it a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path, and will hide its words in my heart that I might not sin against God. AMERICAN FLAG I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Resources: Cindy's Flag Day Page http://216.71.165.97/discus/messages/43/246.html The History of Flag Day http://www.icss.com/usflag/flag.day.html My country, 'tis of thee, Sweet land of liberty, Of thee I sing: Land where my fathers died, Land of the pilgrim's pride, From every mountain side Let freedom ring. -[Samuel Francis Smith: America] Cindy Furnare is a long-time Notable News Now reader, and friend of the Free Congress Foundation. Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit her website at http://www.truthusa.com For other questions or comments, contact Angie Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Note: Flag Day is June 14, 2001 Visit Our Website at http://www.FreeCongress.org This publication is a service of the Free Congress Research and Education Foundation, Inc. (FCF) and does not necessarily reflect the views of the Free Congress Foundation nor is it an attempt to aid or hinder the passage of any bill. Free Congress Foundation * 717 Second Street, NE * Washington, DC 20002 * 202.546.3000 * Fax: 202.544.2819 Project Manager: Angela Wheeler * Copyright * 2001 Free Congress Foundation - All Rights Reserved. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available
[CTRL] FC: Legal update: Yahoo and France, Washington state spam, Turkey (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- From BNA's Internet Law News: WASHINGTON APPEAL COURT UPHOLD ANTI-SPAM LAW Washington Supreme Court upheld a state law that prohibits the transmission of certain types of spam to or from the state. Similar laws had been struck down in the past as breaching the Federal government's constitutional jurisdiction over interstate commerce. The court upheld the law in part because it found that it fostered rather that interfered interstate trade. http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/166617.html The decision can be found at: http://www.courts.wa.gov/opinions/opindisp.cfm?docid=694168MAJ The lower court decision at: http://www.wa-state-resident.com/agheck02.htm. --- TURKEY PASSES LAW EXTENDING PRESS CONTROLS TO INTERNET The Turkish parliament has passed a law that subjects the Internet to the same restrictions as print media. The law provides for fines of up to $85,000 for Web sites that publish untrue news, insults and similar material. The country also decided to scrap controversial plans to require official permission to set up a Web site. http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/tech/014367.htm http://www.salon.com/tech/wire/2001/06/07/turkey/index.html --- Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 09:24:53 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Yahoo! Clears Legal Hurdle in Fight Against Damaging French Ruling Yahoo! Inc. has cleared a key legal hurdle as it seeks relief in the U.S. courts from a French court ruling that sets a damaging jurisdictional precedent for speech and commerce online. In the case of Yahoo! Inc. v. LICRA et al. a federal court in California yesterday denied a motion to dismiss the case by the French parties, and will now take up the merits of Yahoo's claim. At issue is a French court ruling holding Yahoo! in the U.S. liable under broad French anti-hate speech regulations. CDT believes that holding Web publishers in one country liable for simply publishing material that may be considered inappropriate when viewed by citizens of another country would chill free expression and commerce on the Internet. The ruling on the motion to dismiss from the French parties clears a key legal barrier as Yahoo seeks relief in the U.S. courts. The court has not yet ruled on the actual merits of Yahoo's claim. But the court's opinion indicates that those who seek to use the foreign courts to influence U.S. publishers will need to face legal challenges to enforcement of those claims under U.S. law. CDT organized a group including the American Association of Publishers, Freedom to Read Foundation, ACLU, Human Rights Watch, People for the American Way, the Society of Professional Journalists, and others who have filed a friend of the court brief in support of Yahoo. Though filed with the court in April, that brief is now available online for the first time. Also now available online - Ruling Denying LICRA Motion to Dismiss (N.D. California) [long - 600K] http://www.cdt.org/jurisdiction/010607yahoo.pdf CDT et al. Amicus Brief in Support of Yahoo! [60K] http://www.cdt.org/jurisdiction/010406yahoobrief.pdf For more on Yahoo! v. LICRA and jurisdiction issues please see http://www.cdt.org/jurisdiction/ For more information or comment please contact Alan Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] or Paula Bruening [EMAIL PROTECTED] at CDT - 202-637-9800. -- CDT Update Subscription Information E-mail questions, comments, or requests to subscribe or unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call (202) 637-9800. - POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. To subscribe, visit http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ - A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To
[CTRL] FC: Mass. may block porn, drug info, intolerance from library PCs (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- ** From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 15:48:50 -0400 Subject: FYI-Mass. Bill will Ban Porn, Satanic Cults From Libraries This pending Massachusetts censorship mandate impresses me as calling for illegal prior restraint while having moot (and therefore legally no justifiable) purpose over alleged obscenity, while tasking librarians with making judgements about religious issues (eg, define satanic cult) they're neither qualified nor legally entitled to make. MA law requires public libraries to follow ALA standards, with which this proposal would butt heads. It appears Rep. Marini is attempting to sneak a colloquial meaning of obscene backed by the American Family Association and similar pro-bigotry groups into law in the phrase character of which is such that it is reasonably believed to be obscene, rather than stick to the Miller test legal meaning, which would make this law moot in that point. (The Miller criteria themselves run head on into the 1st Amendment, to the extent their sexual and excretory focus is derived from common Judeo-xtian religions not entitled to impose elements of themselves on citizens who believe otherwise. Maybe when Rehnquist is dead the SCOTUS will clean up that mess.) Terry BILL BARS SEX SITES AT LIBRARY Steve LeBlanc, Associated Press writer South Coast Today (Massachusetts) http://www.s-t.com/daily/06-01/06-04-01/a04sr023.htm Surfing for smut at local libraries would be barred under a bill set to be heard by Beacon Hill lawmakers today. The measure, sponsored by Republican House leader Francis Marini, would also block Internet access to satanic cults, indecent depictions of bodily functions and illicit drugs, alcohol or tobacco products. Civil libertarians oppose restrictions on Internet access, saying individuals should have the right to decide for themselves what they want to view or read. [...] The bill would also allow libraries to restrict access to other materials, including information about militant or extremist behavior, intolerance or purchasing tobacco or alcohol. [...] ** From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 01:15:10 -0400 Subject: Pending MA censorship Bill MA has a pending House Bill which would task librarians with making religious, artistic, political, and legal judgements about the viewing choices of patrons, which they're both unqualified to make and not entitled to make under existing MA law as well as basic civil rights protections against gender, religious, and other forms of discrimination or speech censorship. Below are the complete text of and URLs to official state sources for the pending Bill, existing law defininitions used in said Bill, and contradictory state library policy law. American Library Association, referenced in 78-33, can be found at www.ala.org Terry == http://www.state.ma.us/legis/bills/house/ht03428.htm HOUSE, No. 3428 By Mr. Marini of Hanson, petition of Francis L. Marini and other members of the House relative to regulating the use of the Internet in free public libraries. State Administration. The Commonwealth of Massachusetts __ In the Year Two Thousand and One. __ AN ACT RELATIVE TO LIBRARY POLICY REGARDING USE OF THE INTERNET. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives in General Court assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows: SECTION 1. Chapter 78 of the General Laws, as appearing in the 1998 Official Edition, is hereby amended by inserting after section 33 the following section: Section 33A. The board of trustees of a free public library in any city or town, or in the absence of such a board, the city or town official possessing the appointive powers of such a board, shall establish a written acceptable-use policy governing patron use of computer terminals for libraries that provide access to the Internet. (a) The acceptable use policy is a policy for Internet usage that is acceptable to and adopted by either a school board or governing body of a library. The acceptable-use policy shall contain provisions that: (1) prohibit any person from using the library's computer equipment and communications services for sending, receiving, viewing or downloading material, the character of which is such that it is reasonably believed to be obscene, or harmful to minors, and (2) establish appropriate measures to be taken against persons who wilfully violate the policy. (b) At a minimum, each library's policy shall clearly state what types of information shall be prohibited from user access. The policy may prohibit access by users to the following: (1) obscenity; (2) gross depictions; (3) depictions of sexual acts; (4) depictions of full and partial nudity;
[CTRL] And you can call me Al????
This letter the MER reproduces from the Church Leaders - they have delusions of granduer when they impose such names upon themselves as The Most Reverend Jesse Jackson, let us say - first I question anyone who signs their name The Most Reverend for this is the way, you send a letter to one of these guys..The Pope does not sign his name His Holiness, this is a name we use to address the pope to be correct .like the congressman who signs his letter The Honorable Gary Condit, for an example when we know blow hair is a man whose honor is questionable. How to we addres Joe Lieberman Holy Joe Lieberman .. or William Jefferson Clinton - Chief Sodomist.. So I liked this letter - a simple Mister (Mr) would suffice - all these fancy titles some place upon themselves but to sign a letter The Most Reverend shows somebody's ignorance. Wonder how Jesse Jackson signs his name these days The Reverend Most Persecuted Self Ordained Minister since Daddy Sunday But better be careful for it is written they shall come out of prisons to rule over you..but not if we get them on a serious felony, right? Jesse Jackson and his stripes place more title upon themselves than the Pope, who knows St. Peter was a humble fisherman - and knows also who really shot him. Wouldn't it be something to give Timothy McVeigh a shot of sodium penethol to get at the truth think someone has already done that? Or were they in on it from the start. Nobody mourns Waco do they - yet these most reverends who confer all these titles upon themselves - have they ever spoken one wordk, in defense of the children of Waco? Or for a little 8th grader and his dog and mother at Ruby Ridge? You really think the Japanese Sharpshooter was a Catholic? He was a bastard but served his master well Now I hope someone heaps a load of coal on his head Saba HOME Free To Change Table of Contents Author's Preface 1. Free to Change 2. Freedom and Responsibility 3. My Kind of People 4. Come Out And Be Separate 5. Private Intepretation 6. A Monkey-Wrench Scripture 7. The Truth That Frees 8. Literary Devices 9. Fear of God 10. A Love Story 11. The Three Trees In Eden 12. Imputed Righteousness 13. Different Essentials For Different People 14. God's Sons In All Ages 15. Looking To Lust 16. Divorce Her! 17. While Her Husband Is Alive 18. They Won't Let Me Preach! 19. God's Perplexing Prophets 20. Religous Titles 21. Who Sinned? 22. I'll Join Your Church 23. The Church As The Route To Heaven 24. One Hundred Years Old 25. Can Our Churches Unite? 26. Can The Cause Of Sickness Be The Cure? 27. When Life Begins 28. Abortion: Law Or Principle? 29. Human Chattel 30. The Hope of Israel 31. The Great Temptation of Jesus 32. The Rich Man And Lazarus 33. My Hermeneutic 34. Is Immersion Proved By Example? 35. Who Gets The Credit? 36. Hook's Points 37. Heresy 38. I Am A Debtor Other Books at Freedom's Ring Subscribe to Our Newsletter Guestbook Discuss it on our Message Board Our Java Chat Room Chapter 20 Religious Titles If you are sick and tired of having people challenge your accepted beliefs and practices, skip this chapter. Otherwise, you may become upset again, bringing a sudden rise in your blood pressure. That might cause a stroke to wipe you out, and I would feel bad knowing that you went to meet the Lord in a rage. To tell the truth, I feel an uneasiness about what I am about to present because I have been conditioned like others in the Church of Christ against giving special recognition and distinctive titles to fellow-disciples. I have looked upon religious titles as a sort of tag that the devil puts on the goats in order to identify them more readily at the judgment. In considering the use of titles, we immediately turn to the words of Jesus recorded in Matthew 23. There Jesus addressed those who sat in Moses' seat as legal and cultural authorities whose conduct did not conform to their teaching. They do all their deeds to be seen by men; for they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, and they love the places of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues, and salutations in the market places, and being called rabbi by men. From Jesus' introduction of the subject, we must recognize that his teaching here is corrective of an evil use made of a proper thing instead of its being a condemnation of the thing itself. There are other examples of such correction. Jesus forbade the use of vain oaths without forbidding all oaths when he warned, Do not swear at all (Matt. 5:34). Paul dealt with the abuse that wives were making of their liberties in the assemblies without ruling out their praying or prophesying altogether (1 Cor. ll and 14). To avoid the abuse of making the fellowship meal (in connection with the communion) a reinforcement of party loyalties, Paul instructed, if any one is hungry, let him eat at home, but that was not a universal prohibition against eating together in wholesome fellowship. With these
Re: [CTRL] yet More of proGay Pressure
-Caveat Lector- i used Souter's finformation regarding the results of his poll. so you can do the same to upport your surious claims. look buddy - I know what you're angling for - and I just don't care. I quoted my sources - you disagree big deal - tell me - do you teach your young kids to respect the Goddess Lilith ?? and what sort of detail do you give them regarding the Goddess 'Celebrations' ?? What was your interest in Michael portillo wanting to lower the age of gay consent to 16 ? pro gay politicians are not necessarily on my research agenda in the UK - we hear so little. how do you know so much about Portillo ?? andrew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Eight Children Stabbed To Death By Mentally Disturbed Man In Japan
-Caveat Lector- Another 'mentally disturbed' man who decides to go out and kill children...Mental illness or mind control? I wonder what anti-depressant he was taking (Prozac?, Luvox?) and whether these medications *enhanced* the effects of mind control: ...It was not immediately clear what motivated the attack, although police in Ikeda said the man told them he had taken 10 times his daily dose of an unspecified anti-depressant snip ...Takuma was arrested in March 1999 and accused of spiking the tea of four teachers with tranquilizers at the school where he worked, but he was never prosecuted because he suffered from psychological problems, said Nobuharu Sugita, a police official in Itami, near Osaka.. = http://www.nandotimes.com/front/story/22774p-426626c.html Knife-wielding man kills 8 children at Japanese school By KENJI HALL, Associated Press OSAKA, Japan (June 8, 2001 09:01 a.m. EDT) - A man brandishing a knife burst into an elementary school Friday and slashed 29 people, killing at least eight children. It was Japan's worst mass killing since a deadly nerve gas attack on Tokyo's subways six years ago. The 37-year-old man was subdued by a vice principal and a teacher, who was slightly injured. He was then arrested. Police said he once worked as a janitor at an elementary school in a nearby city, and has an arrest record. Two of the children died at the scene and the other six died at the hospital, said fire department spokesman Tetsuo Higashimoto. Fifteen others - 13 children and two teachers - were injured, and eight remained in serious condition late Friday, said Masatsugu Yoneda, another Fire Department official. Children described the attack as 10 minutes of sheer terror. An unidentified schoolgirl, talking to Japanese reporters, said that during the attack, one of the students managed to somehow get onto the school's public address system.There was a shriek, the girl said. Then I heard a cry for help. Other students said they saw teachers and hallways spattered with blood. The slashing was the deadliest mass assault in Japan since a doomsday cult attacked the Tokyo subways in 1995, killing 12 people and sickening thousands. After Friday's attack, other schools in the area sent children home. The dead children - six girls and two boys - were first- or second-grade students, ranging in age from 6 to 8. We are filled with anger over this unfortunate situation, said Kaoru Nakatani, head of Osaka Education University, which operates the elementary school. Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi called the attack heartbreaking. Police said the attacker, identified as Mamoru Takuma, carried a 6-inch kitchen knife. He was arrested at the scene, but was taken to a hospital - reportedly with self-inflicted injuries. He was turned over to police about an hour later. It was not immediately clear what motivated the attack, although police in Ikeda said the man told them he had taken 10 times his daily dose of an unspecified anti-depressant. An Osaka police official said Takuma had told police that he wanted to be put to death and that he had previously tried to commit suicide. The official spoke on condition of anonymity. Takuma was arrested in March 1999 and accused of spiking the tea of four teachers with tranquilizers at the school where he worked, but he was never prosecuted because he suffered from psychological problems, said Nobuharu Sugita, a police official in Itami, near Osaka. Media reports in the confused hours after the school attack depicted a terrifying scene, with ambulances and police cars lining the campus and hundreds of children in their school uniforms sitting in rows on the playground as other students were treated on stretchers nearby. Nearly 700 children attend the school. Police said the attacker climbed into a first-grade classroom from a verandah and began slashing children in the back of the room, and then moved into a hallway. Several children were slashed in their sides and arms as he moved into other classrooms, police said. As the attacker tussled with two teachers, school officials called police and rushed the children out to the playground. Ambulances sped onto the campus and rescue workers and police rushed to care for the injured. The attack comes as Japan grapples with a surge in violent crime. The country's strict gun laws mean most of the attacks - like Friday's - are committed with knives. Masanori Yoshida, 56, who lives nearby, said the attack was a shock in such a quiet, residential neighborhood. This just isn't that kind of place, he said. In the minutes after the attack, a cashier at a nearby grocery said a group of terrified, bloodied children ran into the store. I saw one of them, a boy, with blood all over his body, said Ikiyo Iriye, 23. He had been stabbed in the back. School and juvenile violence have been rising in recent years, punctuated by a series of
[CTRL] ADL/Media Are Cowards
-Caveat Lector- NO APOLOGY FOR DEFENDING, EXERCISING RIGHTS By Bob Glass Source: ROCKY MOUNTAIN NEWS (Denver CO) http://www.rockymountainnews.com/ June 7, 2001, Thursday It is outrageous, hypocritical and cowardly for a journal like the Rocky Mountain News, whose daily existence rests on the sanctity of the First Amendment, to take cheap shots at those citizens who choose to exercise their First Amendment rights in a different way. I am referring to the attacks made against me and the Tyranny Response Team in the editorial of May 31, Louts on the protest line. I will not apologize for using our passion, our lungs and our bullhorns to convey our message. Being a true grass-roots movement we do not have the corporate sponsors or the money that the Million Mom March or SAFE Colorado has, and consequently we cannot afford to run full-page ads in the News like they do. We must stand in the streets and holler, because the media has failed miserably in its responsibility to report all sides of the issue. Despite the best efforts of News reporters such as Carla Crowder to discredit us, a handful of people willing to stand up for the Bill of Rights has drawn large numbers of people into our ranks, not just in Colorado, but across the country. The numbers of Million Mom Marchers on the other hand, have plummeted faster than the Mir space station. Their Mother's Day rally that drew 3,500 people a year ago only attracted a pathetic 200 this year. They were quick to blame the tactics of the TRT for their dismal turnout, never once considering that it is our message that is at last being heeded. Not content simply to point their fingers at us and scream, No fair!, they had to rat us out to the high priests and police of political correctness, the Anti-Defamation League. The ADL, like their cowardly and hypocritical brethren in the Million Mom March, won't come right out and call us anti- Semites or racists (a tall order considering that I am Jewish), but must rely on their stock in trade of smear, innuendo and character assassination. They claim to be concerned about the kind of people that might be drawn into our ranks and the possible link between rogue members of the TRT that might have made threats against Tom Mauser. And like their philosophical comrades at the News, they too are concerned with our tactics. This is a transparent and despicable attempt to demonize us without having the guts to accuse us of anything concrete or engage us in a public debate. And after all, what can they accuse us of? No member of the TRT has ever been arrested at a demonstration, nor has any TRT member been questioned about threatening anyone. I have repeatedly asked the Million Mom March, SAFE Colorado and the ADL to debate the issues with me in a public forum of their choosing. They have all refused. As a consequence of their refusal they have left us no choice but to use the theater of the street to make our points. Despite the self-evident absurdity of their emotional rhetoric, their arguments are historically, ethically, morally and constitutionally bankrupt and they know it - hence their refusal to debate. It is an inescapable irony that history repeats itself. Undoubtedly the good, upstanding, respectable members of Boston society along with its newspapers strictly condemned the tactics of a band of ruffians and hooligans, some 200 years ago as they boarded a ship in Boston Harbor and contemptuously broke the rules. These louts dressed up in outrageous costumes and painted their faces in wild colors as they trespassed on private property. This band of rowdies stole merchandise and, in bold defiance of the king's law, dumped it into the sea. This act of flagrant disregard for all civilized behavior was to become known as the Boston Tea Party. You might find our tactics distasteful. We find the destruction of liberty even more distasteful. Get used to us. Unlike our cause du jour adversaries, we have pledged our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor to winning back our freedoms. NOTES: Bob Glass is president of the Longmont-based Tyranny Response Team. SPEAKOUT A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A
Re: [CTRL] I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE
-Caveat Lector- Well Mike it used to be an oath to support the constitution was enough The flag is easily destroyed is it not and replaced with Gay Pride Flag? I give my oath to the Constitution of the United States.even the communists in Russia now fly the red white and blue flag? Did anybody really die for our flag in this country? Not they died for the Constitution - the one thing these bastards in the UN and NWO have been unable to break. Might be able to burn a flag but the proper disposal of the flag, is to burn..but you burn the Constitution? Well to do that you would have to take the guns first, right? Saba This guy who wrote the Pledge - a socialist? Transferred the pledge to a flag and seemed to forget that men died for the Constitution and for the last few years we have been operating under many different flags including Gay Pride and UN who would move in together - Got to destroy those boy scouts first - and hit hard at the foundation of this country - better to light the torch and pass from generation to generation as did the old Scottish Clansone falls, another picks up the torch - For anyone can fly false colors, right? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FPM: The Barney Fife Navy
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 06/07/2001 2:22:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The May 28, 2001 issue of Navy Times has a feature article with the title Five Bullets and Out. According to the article Navy recruits since 1997 have never fired one live bullet during Navy boot camp. Starting next month new sailors will shoot real bullets for the first time in four years at Recruit Training Center, Great Lakes, Ill. After a day of small arms instruction each recruit will squeeze off five rounds from a 9mm pistol. Golly, this is wonderful news. I guess the Navy was so busy raining depleted uranium over Vieques, they didn't have time for the regular stuff. Oh and have they quit tossing their trash overboard in plastic bags, or did they just do that for the benefit of the boy scouts who filmed the actions? Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Justice tempered with mercy?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 06/07/2001 4:00:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now these people were very humane - if at first you don't succeed - well, maybe they should find an old Westinghouse Electric Chair? Wonder if Bill Clinton has plans for visiting Afghanistan - or is this why he is scared of Osama bin Laden? As I always said, Saba, he didn't lie. He didn't have sex with that woman. Sodomy is very different (check Webster). I don't believe anyone is going to Afghanistan this year. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [MC] expose' on Springmeier out
Diabetic Supplies at NO COST! If you are diabetic and have insurance Or Medicare we can ship your diabetic supplies (including Mini-Med & Disetronic) at NO COST TO YOU! Call 1 (800) 555-2561 OR visit http://click.topica.com/caaacmrbz8QXLbAgkRyb/diabetes A 14 page expose' on Fritz Springmeier is now available. It's in a publication called The Dove (Spring 2001), by John Torell. You may find this article at their website: www.eaec.org/dove.htm If you are not able to get directly onto that link, try getting onto my website: www.endure.freeservers.com Click onto the Favorite Links section and there you will find The Dove. I realize several on this forum feel I am somehow "out to get Fritz", but this is not true. I worked closely with him for several years and had to overcome much denial about his hidden agenda. I was one of the last people to hang in there with him, even when he had abandoned his family. Many people get caught up in the morbid fascination of conspiracy information and thus, at times, lose objectivity. Just because a person puts out startling and revealing information about what "the other side" is doing, does not make that person a trustworthy source. Essentially, Springmeier exposes himself in much of what he disseminates. I will be open to any comments regarding the above. Respectfully, Ron Patton Ron Patton Hot. Cool. And FREE. Get outrageously awesome offers on stuff you want emailed direct. http://click.topica.com/caaacgGbz8QXLbAgkRyg/TopOffers __ Post to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List info: www.topica.com/lists/mc. ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?bz8QXL.bAgkRy Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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AUDREY'S MISSILES A weekly newsletter dedicated to the peaceful reform of the United States government. JUST ONE OF THE BOYS The drug runners found a soft spot. In the late 1980's they had enough political cover to arrange for Barry Seal to fly in an out of Mena Airport in Arkansas delivering cocaine by the ton. That was the first big crack in the dam, with other and deeper penetration to follow. Some say that the then Arkansas Senator Dale Bumpers was instrumental in quashing a federal investigation into the activities at Mena. Many reports say that Governor Bill Clinton himself, along with his associate, Dan Lasater, and others in powerful government positions were involved. When Barry Seal was assassinated in 1986 it is reported that he had George Bush Senior's private telephone number in his wallet. Those are the well known names. One of the other lesser known figures mentioned in the sordid tangle of the story of Arkansas drug running is that of Asa Hutchinson, then U.S. Attorney for Western Arkansas. In recently published book, Barry and 'the Boys' , which is mainly a biography of Barry Seal, the story of drug running is also told. The author quotes Finis Duvall, the Arkansas State Police Commander in charge of Mena, as saying that Hutchinson provided cover for Barry Seal on at least one occasion, and that Arkansas State Police did not try to develop a case against him since it was well known that he was being protected by Hutchinson. Others have made similar accusations. When a grand jury was convened Hutchinson was given a list of twenty witnesses, but he called only three and one of those witnesses later complained that she was not allowed to tell what she knew. That grand jury returned no indictments against Seal or any others involved. Hutchinson is outspoken on the subject of the evils of drugs, and we are left with the impression that he is one of those many politicians who say one thing and do another. His record in Arkansas should have labeled him as unfit for any office, but he was elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in 1996.Recently President George W. Bush nominated him to head the DEA, the Office of Drug Enforcement. Evidently the Bush Administration feels that he can be trusted to sabotage drug interdiction efforts and cover up for those at the top. It looks as if he is still one of the boys. Hopsicker, Daniel. Barry 'the Boys' : The CIA, the Mob and America's Secret History, May 2001, and The Spotlight, May 28, 2001, p. 1 and June 4, 2001, p. 10. Arkansas Times - Asa Hutchinson dogged by Mena - 2/12/99 as reported at http://ixquick.com/do/metasearch.pl?cat=webcat=webcmd=process_searchlanguage=englishquery=Asa+Hutchinson+%26+Menaengine0=aolengine1=altavistaengine2=euroseek_engengine3=exciteengine4=fastsearchengine5=gotoengine6=hotbotengine7=looksmartengine8=msnengine9=nbciengine10=webcrawlerengine11=yahoo http://prorev.com/wwduncan.htm http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MENA/mena.html http://www.madcowprod.com/ READ THIS NEWSLETTER AND THEN GIVE IT TO A FRIEND. No copyright on the content of AUDREY'S MISSILES is claimed since it is our hope that the information in this newsletter will be copied and distributed widely. Topics covered are those which are not adequately treated on TV or in the press. If you live in the 209 calling area end a request to 209 847-7588 for a free fax subscription. E-mail is free anywhere. Paid subscriptions are not accepted. Comments may be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hutchinson) 6/8/01 == [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an moderated maillist about government reform. To join or leave send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: -- (un)subscribe audreys-missiles Visit http://www.uwsa.com Support UWSA.COM at http://www.uwsa.com/UWSACOMintro.html
[CTRL] The Dirty Truth, The Oil and Chemical Dependency of George W. Bush
-Caveat Lector- The Dirty Truth, The Oil and Chemical Dependency of George W. Bush by Rick Abraham Our Price: $12.95 Paperback - 200 pages (October 2, 2000) Mainstream Publishers; ISBN: 0970519001 Amazon.com Sales Rank: 10,023 Average Customer Rating: Based on 1 review. Write a review. Rate this item to get personal recommendations. Editorial Reviews From the forward by Terry O'Rourke, former Texas Assistant Attorney ...there is almost always a trail of money and improper influence leading to bad environmental decisions and policy. THE DIRTY TRUTH shows how George W. Bush pollution made pollution that was awful...lawful. Sissy Farenthold, former Texas legislator instrumental in passing the THE DIRTY TRUTH, succinctly written and thoroughly documented, sets out the further and emphatic environmental deterioration in Texas under George W. B ush... See all editorial reviews... = Snow Job? : The War Against International Cocaine Trafficking by Kevin Jack Riley Our Price: $44.95 Availability: This title usually ships within 4-6 weeks. Please note that titles occasionally go out of print or publishers run out of stock. We will notify you within 2-3 weeks if we have trouble obtaining this title. Get it for less! I have one to sell! Hardcover (April 1996) Transaction Pub; ISBN: 1560002425 Amazon.com Sales Rank: 797,166 Rate this item to get personal recommendations. Write the first review of this book. Earn a chance to win a $50 gift certificate. Editorial Reviews From Book News, Inc. Examines policies intended to control the production and export of cocaine from Latin America, and their limitations. Part I looks at drug policies of the past and present, cocaine prices, and the drug's manufacture. Part II analyzes the economic effects that controls exert on source countries and probes the Colombian drug lord connection. Part III recommends source country policies and looks at their implications for heroin and marijuana trafficking. Of interest to readers in political science, sociology, and law enforcement. Annotation c. by Book News, Inc., Portland, Or. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Disclosure Project - Witness Names
-Caveat Lector- UFOTruth - http://UFOTruth.listbot.com A summary of Disclosure Project witness testimony is at: www.disclosureproject.org A project staff member forwarded these relevant remarks by Five-Star Admiral Lord Hill-Norton, former head of Britain's Ministry of Defense - as to UFO/ET witnesses who had been considered trustworthy enough to that point, to have been given responsibility over nuclear weapons... I heard Lord Hill-Norton speak on one of the television specials, and he made a very profound statement: (I'm paraphrasing) One of two scenarios is true. Either these people entrusted with nuclear weapons really saw and experienced what they did, or they were mass-hallucinating. Either scenario would and must be of great importance to National and International security. NAMES FROM THE DISCLOSURE PROJECT WITNESS LIST: Testimony that Explains the Secrecy: Brigadier General Stephen Lovekin: Army National Guard Reserves Merle Shane McDow: US Navy Atlantic Command Lt. Col. Charles Brown: US Air Force (Ret.) Dr. B Lance Corporal Jonathan Weygandt: US Marine Corps Maj. George A. Filer, III: US Air Force (Ret.) Nick Pope: British Ministry of Defense Official Larry Warren: US Air Force, Security Officer Sgt. Clifford Stone: US Army Master Sgt. Dan Morris: US Air Force, NRO Operative A.H.: Boeing Aerospace Employee Officer Alan Godfrey: British Police Sgt. Karl Wolf: US Air Force Ms. Donna Hare: NASA Employee Mr. John Maynard: DIA Official Dr. Robert Wood: McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Engineer Glen Dennis: NM UFO Crash Witness Sgt. Leonard Pretko: US Air Force Dr. Roberto Pinotti: Italian UFO expert Dr. Paul Czysz: McDonnell Douglas Career Engineer snip John Callahan: FAA Head of Accidents and Investigations Michael Smith: US Air Force Radar Controller Franklin Carter: US Navy Radar Technician Neil Daniels: United Airlines Pilot Lt. Frederick Fox: US Navy Pilot Captain Robert Salas: US Air Force, SAC Launch Controller Prof. Robert Jacobs: US Air Force Harry Allen Jordan: US Navy James Kopf: US Navy Crypto Communications Witness Testimony: Overview: snip Monsignor Corrado Balducci: September 2000 Radar and Pilot Cases: FAA Division Chief John Callahan Sgt. Chuck Sorrells: US Air Force (ret.) Mr. Michael W. Smith: US Air Force Commander Graham Bethume: US Navy (ret.) Mr. Enrique Colbeck: Senior Air Traffic Controller Dr. Richard Haines Mr. Franklin Carter: US Navy Neil Daniels: Airline Pilot Sgt. Robert Blazina (ret.) Lieutenant Frederick Marshall Fox: US Navy (ret.) Captain Massimo Poggi Lt. Bob Walker: US Army Mr. Don Bockelman: US Army SAC/Nuke: Captain Robert Salas Professor Robert Jacobs: Lt. US Air Force Lt. Colonel Dwynne Arneson: US Air Force (ret.) Colonel Ross Dedrickson: US Air Force/AEC (ret.) Harry Allen Jordan: US Navy Mr. James Kopf: US Navy/ National Security Agency Lieutenant Colonel Joe Wojtecki, US Air Force Staff Sergeant Stoney Campbell: US Air Force Government Insiders/ NASA/ Deep Insiders: Astronaut Gordon Cooper Brigadier General Steven Lovekin, Esq.: Army National Guard Reserve Merle Shane McDow: US Navy Atlantic Command Lieutenant Colonel Charles Brown: US Air Force (ret.), October Dr. Carol Rosin âÂÅDr. B.â Lance Corporal John Weygandt: U.S. Marine Corps, Major A. Filer III: U.S. Air Force Mr. Nick Pope: British Ministry Of Defense Admiral Lord Hill-Norton: Five-Star Admiral, Former Head of the British Ministry of Defense Security Officer Larry Warren: United States Air Force, Captain Lori Rehfeldt Sergeant Clifford Stone: United States Army Major-General Vasily Alexeyev: Russian Air Force Master Sergeant Dan Morris: US Air Force/NRO Operative (ret.) Mr. Don Phillips: Lockheed Skunkworks, USAF, and CIA Contractor Captain Bill Uhouse: US Marine Corps (ret.) Lieutenant Colonel John Williams: US Air Force (ret.) Mr. Don Johnson A.H.: Boeing Aerospace, December 2000 British Police Officer Alan Godfrey Mr. Gordon Creighton: Former British Foreign Service Official Sergeant Karl Wolfe: US Air Force Donna Hare: Former NASA Employee Mr. John Maynard: Defense Intelligence Agency (ret.) Mr. Harland Bentley: US Army Dr. Robert Wood: McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Engineer, Dr. Alfred Webre: Senior Policy Analyst, Stanford Research Institute Denise McKenzie: Former SAIC employee Mr. Paul H. Utz Colonel Phillip J. Corso, Sr.: US Army (ret.) Mr. Glen Dennis Lieutenant Walter Haut: US Navy Buck Sergeant Leonard Pretko: US Air Force Mr. Dan Willis: US Navy Dr. Roberto Pinotti Technology/Science: Mr. Mark McCandlish: US Air Force Professor Paul Czysz Dr. Hal Puthoff David Hamilton: Department of Energy Lieutenant Colonel Thomas E. Bearden: US Army (ret.) Dr. Eugene Mallove Dr. Paul La Violette Mr. Fred Threlfell: Royal Canadian Air Force Dr. Ted Loder _ EcoNews Service: Always online for Ecology,
[CTRL] The Underground History of American Education
-Caveat Lector- from: http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=1DAYOFRBF2ms cssid=UQQ03UNDK0P38K084KXV0TFF5ENE0WC4isbn=0945700040 Click Here: A HREF=http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=1DAYOFR BF2mscssid=UQQ03UNDK0P38K084KXV0TFF5ENE0WC4isbn=0945700040 Barnes Noble.com - The Underground History of /A - The Underground History of American Education: A Schoolteacher's Intimate Investigation into the Problem of Modern Schooling John Taylor Gatto John Taylor Gatto Retail Price: $30.00 Our Price: $24.00 You Save: $6.00 (20%) Readers' Advantage Price: $22.80 Join Now bn.com customers who bought this book also bought: A Different Kind of Teacher: Solving the Crisis of American Schooling, John Taylor Gatto Left Back: A Century of Failed School Reforms, Diane Ravitch Growing up with Dick and Jane: Learning and Living the American Dream, Carole Kismaric,With Marvin Heiferman Tinkering Toward Utopia: A Century of Public School Reform, David Tyack,Larry Cuban Common Ground: A Turbulent Decade in the Lives of Three American Families, J. Anthony Lukas ABOUT THIS ITEM From the Critics From Library Journal Gathering a collection of materials that highlight public education, Gatto (Dumbing Us Down) analyzes why mass-compulsion schooling is unreformable. Having taught in a Manhattan school district from 1961 to 1991, Gatto speaks from experience when offering this speculative history cum personal investigation. His discussion is passionate but far from scholarly (there are a very few footnotes for further study). At first it seems ironic that a former New York Teacher of the Year (1991) can be so adamant in his criticism of American education. However, the reader comes to recognize that despite his sometimes obscure thoughts he makes a compelling case. Arguing that public schools allow psychic violence, teach numbness, and force the deterioration of parental responsibilities, Gatto advocates that children spend less time in school and more with their family and in meaningful pursuits in their community. He offers many helpful suggestions, but they are not immediately decipherable, as they are, to use the author's own words, perversely sprinkled around like raisins in a pudding. This is a brutally honest argument that all administrators and legislators involved in schooling should read. Recommended for most libraries.--Leroy Hommerding, Fort Myers Beach P.L. Dist., FL Copyright 2000 Cahners Business Information. CUSTOMER REVIEWS - An Open Forum Number of Reviews: 1Average Rating: Penny, a homeschooling mother of 3 from IN, January 10, 2001, Sometimes the Truth Hurts This book is an absolutely compelling read detailing the forces that have forged American compulsory schooling. While not indulging in conspiracy theory or teacher-bashing, Gatto makes it clear that our current system of schooling has been imposed with a specific agenda in mind--that of stripping children from their families, communities, and spiritual beliefs to create a pliable workforce and consumer base. Homeschoolers will find this book particularly affirming of their choice to learn at home. Also recommended: Dumbing Us Down (Gatto), Teach Your Own (John Holt), Family Matters: Why Homeschooling Makes Sense (David Guterson) Copyright 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001 barnesandnoble.com llc A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [MC] expose' on Springmeier out
-Caveat Lector- Here's the link: http://www.eaec.org/FritzSprinmeier.htm -Original Message- From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 08, 2001 12:36 PM Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: [MC] expose' on Springmeier out A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] MRC: Dan Rather; Onset of Senility, or Rather Reveals Truth on TV?
-Caveat Lector- [First he tells the world that a man lie about many things and still be an honest man...and, that he considers Bill Clinton is an honest man. Now check out what he said last night on Letterman's TV Show (below). I Wonder why he didn't bring up this Cheney stuff on his OWN new TV show (it might have improved his new show's Rather dismal ratings)?? You think he was trying to be funny, was joking around? Could be, but, personally, based on his recent behavior [as compared to that of his entire career, prior to his recent antics], I believe he could easily get a GUARDED clinical diagnosis of some sort of dementia. Still, it's sad to see ANY body melting down in front of your very eyes (makes me feel sorta the same as when I watch a mad cow stumbling all over the place, i.e., SAD, SAD, SAD!). Or, as Jed Clampet of The Beverly Hillbillies would say, PIT-eee-FULL!! --MS] http://www.mrc.org/news/cyberalert/2001/cyb20010608.asp#1 The 1,091st CyberAlert Tracking Media Bias Since 1996 Friday June 8, 2001 Vol. Six; No. 93 Rather: Uncle Cheney in Charge; No Taxes, No Rebate; Human-Induced Warming Causing Droughts Floods; McVeigh Blamed on Right 1) Dan Rather twice joked to David Letterman about how Uncle Cheney is really running things, declared that Bush has governed further to the right than most people expected and brought up a new global warming study. Plus, he threw in a new Ratherism about trailing a bleeding elephant in six feet of snow. 2) The tax cut bill, as only Dan Rather could portray it: Describe its features and then relay the left-wing class warfare attack on it: Democratic opponents say the cuts are fiscally irresponsible and dangerous and unfairly heavily favor high income Americans. 3) ABC focused on $21,000 and $18,000 salary people and delivered the shocker that if you don't pay income taxes you don't get an income tax rebate and if you pay little in income tax you get less than the maximum rebate. ABC's John Cochran warned that millions of people are in for some nasty surprises. 4) Global warming is real, the new report declares, and humans are helping to cause it, ABC's John Cochran asserted. Skipping any science, CBS's John Roberts went straight to the liberal activists: In Florida, the worst drought in a hundred years has cracked the land. In Europe, a record winter of rain and flood. More evidence of global warming, say environmentalists who plan to meet President Bush with a storm of protest in Europe. But the National Academy of Sciences report is far more nuanced. 5) Maverick Republican is CNN anchor Wolf Blitzer's favorite term as he attaches it to any Republican who has decidedly liberal views. On Monday night he labeled not only John McCain as maverick, but also Rudy Giuliani and Jim Jeffords. 6) With Tim McVeigh about to die, a Media Reality Check looking back at 1995 media spin. Smears Partisan Innuendo in Wake of '95 Bombing. First Reaction: Liberal Journalists Blamed Conservative Pols and Talk Radio for Oklahoma Mass Murder. --- - 1 Appearing on the Late Show with David Letterman on Thursday night, Dan Rather twice joked about how Uncle Cheney is really running things, declared that Bush has governed further to the right than most people expected, brought up how a new global warming study says that global warming is further advanced than even they thought it was, but that Cheney will take care of it, and falsely implied that the CBS Evening News hasn't touched the story of under-aged drinking by the Bush daughters. Plus, he threw in Ratherisms about Fidel Castro and a giraffe as well as trailing a bleeding elephant. Some of Dan Rather's comments I took down from the June 7 show: -- Rather: I think by any reasonable analysis that George Bush is off to a pretty good start with his presidency. Letterman: You were pleased with how he handled the situation in China, you thought that went alright? Rather: I'm pausing only because you said 'the way he handled it.' I' m not sure he handled it because remember you have Uncle Cheney who runs an awful lot of things around there. No, I think that was handled very steadily. He pulled some good people around him. But now comes the difficult part, the stands he's taken on the environment, his tax program, the details of which we do not yet know, all of these things have gotten him a reputation, justifiably or not, of running an administration that's further to the right than most people expected. -- Rather volunteered: This new global warming study, if you read the paper today, saying that global warming is further advanced than even they thought it was. But I wouldn't worry about that because you remember when you studied the legends of history, King Canute just walked out on the beaches of Britain and commanded the waves to stop? I have every reason to believe that President Bush will just turn to
Re: [CTRL] yet More of proGay Pressure
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Andrew Hennessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] yet More of proGay Pressure -Caveat Lector- i used Souter's finformation regarding the results of his poll. so you can do the same to upport your surious claims. look buddy - I know what you're angling for what am i angling for then? - and I just don't care. I quoted my sources - you disagree big deal - you claimed that there was a gay blocking the referendum. i have asked you ots of times to name him and show evidence for your totally bullshit claim ;) so you haven't quoted your sources at all. tell me - do you teach your young kids to respect the Goddess Lilith ?? i respect them to not take any orders from people without knowiung why they are doing something. lillith was the same. specifically. and what sort of detail do you give them regarding the Goddess 'Celebrations' ?? there are no celebrations. it is not a religion. What was your interest in Michael portillo wanting to lower the age of gay consent to 16 ? i used him to show that sexual orientation does not dictate motive. he voted against a pro-gay issue even though one might have thought he would sympathis with the issue as he has had positive gay experiences. this is important when dealing with your claim that a high ranking politician or civil servant was motiveated corruptly by his sexuality to block a referendum. i have tried to show that your paranoid fear of homosexuals and their motivations is without foundation. pro gay politicians are not necessarily on my research agenda in the UK - we hear so little. no, *you* obviously hear so little if your arguments are anything to go by. how do you know so much about Portillo ?? it is *not* much. it is public knowledge- and it is of his own admittance, when he returned to the political scene he announced all his past gay stuff to nullify any tabloid innuendo. it has worked. he is great guy! hehe, he is of direct spanish descent (he is fluent) but is very anti- europe... he has had an active gay life but is anti-gay politically.. he is a paradox and i think he is dangerous and creeepy and just ace ;) i cannot wait til heis leader of the conservative party. which he will be and he will run blair ragged as opposition leader and it will be such a laugh. andrew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [MC] expose' on Springmeier out
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Linda Minor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 2:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [MC] expose' on Springmeier out -Caveat Lector- Here's the link: http://www.eaec.org/FritzSprinmeier.htm Interesting item; all the Monarch stories are a little too pat to fit in a world of chaos and uncertainty. Anyone such as Springmeier who is that sure of anything makes me nervous. However, I don't see how replacing his type of brainwashing with the Christian brainwashing of fanatics like Texe Marrs, who says every woman in the Clinton administration was a lesbian, helps the situation very much. The human mind is easily convinced the world is black and white, even though the Bell Curve applies and most things fall into the gray area. The urge to label things good and bad seem irresistable. Some things are neither, they just are. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] MRC: Dan Rather; Onset of Senility, or Rather Reveals Truth on TV?
-Caveat Lector- Dan Rather wants people to love him - way back in 1977 on the Fourth of July Celebration during celebration - the big one - he sat there in his expensive suit, smiled sadly and said the most wonderful thing about America was the people Then I remember what he had done to Nixon with a personal vendetta when he said how much will it take to push this man over the edte referring to the attack of the news media and the likes of Rather. Walter Cronkite they tell us was loved, much loved and who wrote all that nice stuff - why Wawlter Cronkite and his press agents, and Dan Rather is trying to be beloved by all and it just does not work. Once my sister tried to get him to come to Columbus and used and asked this man who was very influential to get him - Rather wanted $50,000 and expenses - that was back in 80 period and I said - hey you could get Pinko Cronkite for nothing. So such is lifieRather tries to shed tears now, and is taking like Clinton, acting lessions - note now the trend is for men to cry, openly, and without shame? Like that Navy Commander or Captain who bawled for dumping a Japanese sub? People want all that maudlin drama? Ever see Jackie Kennedy cave in even when her husband's head was blow off - she was made a widow, her children fatherless, and another took his office..did Cronkite cry - no, but he choked up a little for he knew JFK hated the sob. So much for Dan Rather who wants to be beloved.and build his image..maybe he should go out and rape somebody and cry on TV and we all will be sorry for him, and give him a big huggie with love.maybe the ArkAngel would fall for that crap, but not me. For I think Dan Rather is just another would be Jimmy Swaggart in the making.and his tears will flow like wine. People will not forgive him for his sinister attack on the President of the United States as he wwaited for him to break Nixon did not break and deep throat Kissinger was one of Rather's CFR associates. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Underground History of American Education
-Caveat Lector- I will be adding this one to my collection. I have all of John Holt's books already. Thanks Kris for the heads-up. Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] THE SECRET GOVERNMENT
THE SECRET GOVERNMENT ELLEN NAKASHIMA, WASHINGTON POST: The Bush administration has ordered that more than 40,000 federal workers compete for their jobs with the private sector, a first step toward President Bush's goal of making about 425,000 government jobs eligible for private contracting. The move will swell the contract corps, a shadow-government workforce whose numbers are estimated to be more than three times as large as the 1.8 million-strong civilian federal workforce. Competing out work is not new, but Bush wants to vastly expand the practice . . . There are an estimated 5.6 million contract employees doing everything from mowing lawns on federal property to analyzing nutrition programs, writing computer programs and building space shuttles . . . We're really talking about a basic change in the constitution of our government, said Dan Guttman, a fellow at the Center for the Study of American Government at Johns Hopkins University. It's not just a couple $600 hammers. The basic change is that we can no longer assume that the actual work of government is being done by officials subject to the rules that we have placed on officials to protect the public. No government official knows the actual size of the contract workforce. The best estimate comes from Brookings Institution government specialist Paul Light, whose figure of 5.6 million dates to the end of 1999. The total has likely risen since then, he said. Neither Congress nor past presidents have ever really wanted to know the true size of government, Light said. The driver for contracting out has often been to make the federal government look smaller than it otherwise would, to hide the jobs. MORE http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38933-2001Jun7.html DRUG BUSTS PHILIP J. HILTS, NY TIMES: A Wyoming jury has awarded $6.4 million to the family of a man who killed three relatives and himself after taking the antidepressant Paxil. Though many lawsuits have claimed that antidepressants in the same class of drugs, which includes Prozac and Zoloft, have caused suicidal or violent behavior, this is the first case a plaintiff has won, lawyers in the case said . . . The drugs have been shown to successfully treat depression and reduce the risk of suicide that comes with severe depression. The issue in lawsuits has been whether the drugs themselves or the illnesses they are meant to treat are to blame for patients' violent or suicidal behavior. The drug makers say that when a patient has become violent or suicidal, it has been because the illness has overcome the effect of the drug and the patient's natural inhibitions. But researchers who have testified in the cases have said that, even though the drugs are effective in most cases, in some patients the drugs cause agitation and violence . . . The family's lawyers, James E. Fitzgerald of Cheyenne and Andy Vickery of Houston, told the jury that the fault was not so much in the drug itself but in the company's failure to sufficiently warn doctors and patients that the effects of the drug could include agitation and violence. Mr. Vickery said in a telephone interview that in Germany, warnings are included on the packages of at least two drugs in this class, Prozac and Paxil. The Prozac package warns that the drugs could lead to suicide attempts. The Paxil package says a sedative should be taken with the drug. Those warnings are not on packages in the United States, but the insert for doctors says, under the heading suicide, that close supervision of high-risk patients should accompany initial drug therapy. MORE http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/08/health/08VERD.html NOTE: The catch with these drugs, some observers argue, is that while they are generally effective, in a small number of cases they can produce dangerous and destructive results. This story has particular importance since a number of widely publicized mass school killings involved youth who were on anti-depressant drugs. This aspect of the story, however, has been largely unnoted by major media. NORML: Nevada legislators overwhelmingly approved legislation to dramatically reduce Nevada's toughest-in-the-nation marijuana law and authorize pot's medical use. Nevada's legislature is the first in 24 years to eliminate jail time and criminal records for minor marijuana offenders, and the ninth state since 1996 to legalize the use of medical marijuana under a doctor's supervision. CHANDRA LEVY NY POST: Missing Washington intern Chandra Levy called Rep. Gary Condit several times the day before she mysteriously vanished, according to her cell-phone records. Investigators say Levy repeatedly called the California Democrat at a special answering service that bypassed his congressional office . . . The disclosure of the calls follows a Washington Post report that Condit admitted to cops that the attractive intern slept at his apartment in Washington's trendy Adams Morgan neighborhood. The newspaper also quoted a close relative as
[CTRL] FW: News Release
-Caveat Lector- Subject: Fw: News Release BEIJING (Reuters) - Chinese officials have stated that they are holding the United States, fully responsible for today's mid-air collision, involving several Chinese aircraft and one American craft. This comes just weeks after a similar incident involving a U.S. spy plane. Officials have stated that at approximately 8:25 a.m., GMT, a squadron of Chinese F-8 fighters collided with the American Goodyear Blimp. The crash left over a dozen Chinese planes downed and the blimp's electronic billboard damaged. Sources say the billboard's scrolling marquee had been advertising 7-UP soft drink, and now only leaving the line Up yours in view. A Chinese pilot who witnessed the collision between his squadron, nicknamed, Panda Rash told China's Xinhua news agency that he saw the American blimp dive out of the clouds and into wingman Sum Yung Phucker's F-8 jet. I told Yaun Wing Lo his tail was all broken. Keep it straight. Keep it straight, said the pilot. He just couldn't shake the American foreign-devil. The blimp then reportedly veered hard left and then right, taking out the rest of the squadron. Pilot Chawp Suey Wussy told Xinhua the American blimp was fully responsible for the incident, repeating the language Beijing has used in the earlier incident. China blames this new accident on the Goodyear blimp, saying it rammed the supersonic fighters, and has demanded an apology. Officials from the Goodyear Company have said it is unlikely that the slow propeller-driven blimp could turn inside and ram a dozen nimble fighters, unless the Chinese were testing chimp pilots. The direct cause of the collision was that the American blimp made a sudden big move toward the Chinese planes, making it impossible for the Chinese planes to get out of the way, Suey Wussy was quoted as saying. The savage act of American blimps colliding with Chinese planes while conducting spying activities at sporting events makes us indignant, he was quoted as saying. Chinese officials are calling for an apology from the United States and, seriously, enough Goodyear tires to replace the Firestone's that experienced spontaneous combustion last year. U.S. officials expressed regret, but would not allow an apology until the matter could be investigated further. In a related story Goodyear has not commented on whether it has stopped shipments of condoms to China as a retaliatory measure. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] McVeigh Court Documents---
-Caveat Lector- After reading McVeigh's appeal to the 10th Circuit I an understand why the government is in such rush to carry out this execution. http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/documents/#mcveigh A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NetZero: Juno Merger Announcement
In case any NetZero member isn't aware of it, a few months ago Juno instituted a policy requiring all members to make their computers available to the service so that they could use members' hardware to run various computations (at least that's what we were told they were doing with our computers)... In other words, as part of your agreement to be a Juno member, you had to agree to keep your computer turned on and attached to a modem so that Juno could access your computer at will to use it to run programs that it said it was running for companies that had paid for the service; Juno claimed that it was doing this as a way to keep its service 'free'. If a member did not allow this access, we were told that their Juno membership would be discontinued. My guess is that NetZero members will soon find themselves presented with this demand to make their computers available to the service, too... June Check out Alternative Kite radio at: http://www.live365.com/stations/242153 _Bravenet IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [CTRL] NetZero: Juno Merger Announcement
I have not kept my computer turned on and attached to a modem and I havae not been discontinued from Juno. I am on both juno and netzero. - Original Message - From: YnrChyldzWyld To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] NetZero: Juno Merger Announcement In case any NetZero member isn't aware of it, a few months ago Juno instituted a policy requiring all members to make their computers available to the service so that they could use members' hardware to run various computations (at least that's what we were told they were doing with our computers)... In other words, as part of your agreement to be a Juno member, you had to agree to keep your computer turned on and attached to a modem so that Juno could access your computer at will to use it to run programs that it said it was running for companies that had paid for the service; Juno claimed that it was doing this as a way to keep its service 'free'. If a member did not allow this access, we were told that their Juno membership would be discontinued. My guess is that NetZero members will soon find themselves presented with this demand to make their computers available to the service, too... June Check out Alternative Kite radio at: http://www.live365.com/stations/242153 _Bravenet IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
[CTRL] House panel rejects Bush plan on endangered species
-Caveat Lector- House panel rejects Bush plan on endangered species By JOHN HEILPRIN, Associated Press WASHINGTON (June 8, 2001 11:10 a.m. EDT) - Rejecting a prominent part of President Bush's environmental agenda, House Republicans shot down a proposal that would have restricted the ability of environmental groups to get plants and animals added to the endangered species list. At issue are the kind of lawsuits that largely have established the Interior Department's priorities in deciding which species deserve protection. Mary Beth Beetham, director of legislative affairs for the Defenders of Wildlife, said the Bush provision would have gutted citizen enforcement of the Endangered Species Act. But Interior Secretary Gale Norton has argued it was necessary to let the Fish and Wildlife Service do its job. A Republican-led House subcommittee on Thursday removed language the administration had sought for the plan from an $18.9 billion lands and energy spending bill for 2002. The legislation sailed through the House Appropriations interior subcommittee on a voice vote. The lawmakers also ignored Bush's request for $2 million for preparatory studies for oil drilling the president wants to begin in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. That was the latest sign that Bush's proposal to drill in the sanctuary, opposed by environmentalists, is all but dead in Congress. The bill would bust Bush's lands and energy budget by 4.4 percent, a testament to the spending appetite of lawmakers of both parties. It would boost Bush's request for energy research and conservation by $294 million to nearly $1.8 billion, and provide $1.32 billion for land conservation, $64 million over his request. Most of our bills will be pretty close to Bush, House Appropriations Committee Chairman Bill Young, R-Fla., said. Will they be exactly the same? No, because Congress has the obligation to use its best judgment. The bill's $1.32 billion for lands conservation is the continuation of a program Congress and President Clinton started last year. Much of the money is for land acquisition by the federal, state and local governments. The bill also would provide: -$436 million for maintenance of national parks, part of Bush's five-year, $5 billion proposal to reduce a backlog of repairs. That includes only about $60 million more than this year. -$105 million for the National Endowment for the Arts, the same as this year and the same Bush proposed. The administration's endangered species plan would have removed deadlines established by Congress in 1982 for the Interior Department to respond to citizen petitions on possible additions to the endangered species list, leaving Norton free to decide which animals and plants should have priority. Environmentalists argue that without expeditious handling of such petitions, or later lawsuits, from citizens, species needing protection may suffer great losses or become extinct before federal protection is afforded. We will continue to address the issue and work to prioritize resources on species that have the greatest biological needs and not the most powerful set of attorneys, said Norton's spokesman, Mark Pfeifle. Developers, industry and government agencies have complained for years that environmental groups use the endangered species law to force the government to designate critical habitat for species and tie up projects like dams and airport expansions in lengthy reviews. There currently are more than 500 animals and 730 plants on the endangered list, while almost 250 candidate species are under review. At the same time, the Fish and Wildlife Service is contending with nearly 80 lawsuits focused on more than 400 species and has been served with notices of about 100 more lawsuits affecting some 600 species. Fish and Wildlife estimates it needs $120 million over five years to deal with the animals and plants proposed for protections. Without that money, environmental groups say, some species awaiting protection could become extinct before getting that help. The spending bill would cap at almost $8.5 million - the amount Bush proposed - the agency's budget for responding to those suits. But that is a $2.1 million increase over the amount Congress and Clinton agreed upon for this year. ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.
Re: [CTRL] FW: News Release
-Caveat Lector- Can't you just see that big blimp coming out of the clouds and like Jaws 3 ramming those planes? Bet it had flying tiger jaws with big fangs painted on front - So score one for 7 Up. The hell with the Pepsi Generation . A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The stabbing Suspect Is A Schizophrenic
-Caveat Lector- Does this mean that he heard 'voices' telling him to kill children? = Friday June 8 2:36 PM ET Eight Children Killed in Japan School Stabbing http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010608/ts/crime_japan_school_dc_9.html By Keiko Kanai IKEDA, Japan (Reuters) - Eight children were killed and 15 people injured at a Japanese elementary school on Friday when a former janitor with a history of mental illness went on a stabbing rampage. It was the worst mass killing in Japan since the 1995 sarin gas attack on crowded Tokyo subways by the Aum Shinrikyo (Aum Supreme Truth) cult which killed 12 and made thousands ill. The victims were mainly seven- and eight-year-old pupils at the school in Ikeda, a suburb of the western city of Osaka, Japan's second largest metropolitan area. Seven of those killed were girls and the eighth was a six-year-old boy, Japanese media said. Two teachers were injured, police said, one of them a 28-year-old man who was in critical condition and needed emergency surgery after the attack. Five of the injured children were in critical condition, television reports said. The tragedy began when the man, wielding an 11-inch knife, walked into a classroom mid-morning and began to stab children in a rampage that police said lasted a little over 10 minutes. ``He came in holding a knife and started stabbing,'' a first grade girl said. One sixth-grade girl told Reuters: ``We were listening to an announcement over the loudspeaker, and then it was broken into by a scream and a noise like a desk falling down...Then I heard someone scream from below, 'Run!''' Several children ran into a nearby supermarket yelling and crying for help, witnesses said. ``One of the boys, whose back was stained with blood, fell in front of the cashier. He was pale and did not speak a word,'' a shop clerk told a television reporter. A schoolboy said ``I saw a person who had fallen down. I also saw blood.'' Police were holding in custody a 37-year-old man who they said had previously undergone treatment for schizophrenia. FRANTIC PARENTS The motive behind the attack was unclear, but NHK public broadcaster said the suspect had told police he had taken 10 times his usual dosage of tranquilizers and was babbling. While school shootings such the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School in Colorado have become a grim part of life in the United States, random tragedy on such a scale is unheard of at Japanese schools. The quiet of the summer day around the school, in an ordinary residential area, was shattered by wailing sirens and the clatter of helicopters. Ambulances lined the school driveway while students streamed out of the building and gathered on the school playing fields. Frantic parents arrived soon afterwards, talking urgently into mobile phones and later left with their children, tight-lipped. FED UP WITH LIFE The suspect, whom police asked not be identified because of his history of mental illness, told police he wanted to suffer the death penalty for his crime. ``I was fed up with everything,'' police quoted him as saying, adding that he had previously tried to commit suicide. ``I want to be put to death.'' Media reports said the suspect had previously been arrested for allegedly putting tranquilizers in tea which he gave to teachers at a school where he was employed as a janitor, but was not tried because he was under treatment for mental illness. The government formed an emergency task force headed by Education Minister Atsuko Toyama and sent officials to the site. Japan's traditional reputation as a society free of random violence has been changing in recent years, and the number of senseless crimes, often committed by teenagers, has risen rapidly. ``These are not ordinary times,'' said Katsuhiro Kinoshita, the father of a sixth-grader at the school. ``I felt the blood drain from my face when I heard.'' CONCERN OVER RISING VIOLENCE Voicing deep concern over rising rates of violent crime, Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi vowed to do whatever he could to restore Japan's reputation as one of the world's safest countries. ``The safe society is crumbling. We must think of ways to deal with this problem,'' Koizumi told reporters. Last year, one 17-year-old boy bludgeoned passengers at a trendy Tokyo shopping district with a baseball bat after a fight with his father; another beat his mother to death with a metal bat; a third stabbed an elderly neighbor to death because he wanted to experience killing someone. In 1999, a man entered a school playground and stabbed to death a seven-year-old schoolboy. One of the grisliest incidents of recent years, the 1997 murder and beheading of an 11-year-old boy, was carried out by his 14-year-old playmate. More recently, there has been a wave of incidents on Tokyo's crowded trains, including one in which a man was killed by a fellow passenger enraged at his request for people to step back so he could board. === MARtin F. ABErnathy
[CTRL] Charles Key Interview
-Caveat Lector- Charles Key will be interviewed Saturday June 9 on KTOK's Open Mike Live at 4:00 P.M. CST. The show will be broadcast nationally, so check your local AM radio stations. Bev You shall know the truthand the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The European Coalition on Oil in Sudan: Misinformed and Irresponsible
-Caveat Lector- The European-Sudanese Public Affairs Council 1 Northumberland Avenue London WC2N 5BW England Tel:020 7872 5434 Fax:020 7753 2848 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date of Publication: June 2001 MISINFORMED, IRRESPONSIBLE AND ARROGANT: 'THE EUROPEAN COALITION ON OIL IN SUDAN' In Brussels, on 31 May 2001, a number of European organisations, describing themselves as working for peace for Sudan, launched what they called the 'European Coalition on Oil in Sudan' (ECOS). This public appeal was regrettably characterised by questionable allegations and stale positions. Above all else it demonstrated what can at best be described as a naïve arrogance in its calls for sanctions on Sudan. This grouping made serious claims about the Sudanese oil project, namely that in the oilfields of the Sudan, thousands of civilians have been killed and displaced, their villages burned to the ground. It called both for all those involved in Sudan's oil sector to suspend their operations until the Sudanese civil war comes to an end, and for the European Union to introduce sanctions to that effect. It is regrettable that such an alliance of European organisations should make allegations that have been repeatedly questioned by better informed observers nearer to the areas concerned and, indeed, in large part disproven by independent analysts. It is equally disappointing that on the basis of these questionable claims ECOS has then chosen to arrogantly demand that the poverty-stricken people of Sudan should not be able to develop their own natural resources. The partisan nature of ECOS is also clearly illustrated by the fact while it called on the Sudanese government, other governments and companies to take necessary steps towards peace in the oil fields it pointedly did not call on the Sudan People's Liberation Army (SPLA) rebels to stop their concerted attacks on the population around Sudan's oil areas - despite such Associated Press headlines as 'Sudanese Rebels Plan to Intensify War Around Oil Fields. (1) ECOS ALLEGATIONS OF OIL-FIELD DISPLACEMENT NOT CREDIBLE The basis for the claims made by ECOS that thousands of Sudanese civilians have been displacement has been disproved by a detailed recent scientific analysis of satellite pictures taken over a number of years in the very areas of Sudan concerned. The study was commissioned by the Canadian oil company Talisman Energy, one of the companies involved in the Sudanese oil sector. Talisman asked a leading British satellite imagery analysis company, Kalagate Imagery Bureau, to study a series of satellite photographs taken of several parts of their oil concession in Sudan, the epicentre of the sort of displacement claimed by ECOS. The images analysed by the Kalagate Imagery Bureau included civilian satellite images collected last year and images acquired by U.S. military intelligence satellites in 1965, 1967, and 1969. Ground resolution in the images varied between about three feet and 10 feet. There were additional lower resolution Landsat images from the 1980s and Radarsat images from 2000. (2) The images were analysed by Geoffrey John Oxlee, one of Britain's leading experts in the field. (3) Mr Oxlee found that there is no evidence of appreciable human migration from any of the seven sites examined. (4) To the contrary, he further stated that analysis revealed that once the sites were developed, then people did come into the area, and in fact it looked as if people developed around the oil sites rather than going away from it. (5) The massive displacement alleged by ECOS would have been immediately obvious in any such study. Asked if there was any chance that he had been provided with doctored images, Mr Oxlee stated that the satellite photographs examined are genuine pictures. Having looked at hundreds of thousands of satellite pictures, there's no way these pictures have been doctored. Absolutely none. We check these things out. It would appear from detailed satellite picture analysis that that far from witnessing the systematic displacement of civilians, southern civilians seem to be being drawn towards the oil concessions. ECOS: OUT OF STEP WITH THE DEVELOPING WORLD It is all too evident that the European Coalition on Oil in Sudan is out of step with attitudes towards Sudan within the international community, and particularly the developing world. As much is admitted by ECOS when it stated in its public appeal that the international isolation of Sudan is ending. ECOS is repeating stale claims and echoing naïve and arrogant demands which the international community have dismissed quite some time ago. The Canadian government attempted to introduce a resolution containing many of the same measures called for by ECOS while Canada was chairman of the United Nations Security Council in 2000. The Canadian government had to drop this idea in the face of considerable opposition from the international community. The Canadian ambassador to the
Re: [CTRL] article about stanley glickman
-Caveat Lector- Dear List, Please find the url and info below. Sincerely, Neil Brick This may be heavy for mc survivors to read. excerpt from : http://www.russbaker.com/Life-The%20Observer%20Magazine%20-%20Stanley%20Glickm an%20and%20CIA/Life-The%20Observer%20Magazine%20-%20Stanley%20Glickman%20and%2 0CIA.htm The Observer - 2/14/99 - The Observer Life Page; Pg. 32 - Conspiracy: In 1952, Stanley Glickman was a promising young painter studying in Paris. Then one night he shared a drink with some fellow Americans, and his life fell apart. Did the CIA spike his drink with LSD? by Russ Baker A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The stabbing Suspect Is A Schizophrenic
-Caveat Lector- This means he was on drugs and maybe into something else - made me wonder thougoh - Job's Coffin appears in the sky in June.the sabeans murdered Job's kidsand in Job you have the astrologer's mark of doom.and it is written their children are far from safety. Now the old Assassins - last name of Sabah (note the Saba) - used drugs to induce his followers to murder for him - at the nod of the head, they would jump off a cliff and die for they believed they would return to the Garden of Eden or Paradise..many of the ancient assassins who orginated in Persia as I recall ventured into asiatic countries - consider the Kamakazi pilots of WWII - but first they were given a little drug to gain control. Now this guy had tried to murder teachers in the past - by putting tranquilizers in their drinks; and also he moved in around children, as a Janitor in a school. Job's Coffin came into the sky when RFK was murdered - and Jean Dixon in her book (which she had the guts to send me with that othre piece of crap she wrote with a prayer card) - Tokyo Rose Dixon, had a chapter in which she had given a title in memory of the Kennedy brothers.The Son's of Job. So you see Job is all about murder as in the Song of Solomon full of drugs and death for all is under the rose in many of these cryptic passages. No Japan boasted a low crime rate and this was out of the ordinary other than this cult which I reproduce for you a story re same - murderers one murdering an infant. Iniquities of the fathers - are they being visited upon the Children? Did this guy have any connections to the Japanese Dooms Day Cult, the AUM society and was there a secret word for June that set him off - Aum??? So much for these instruments in the hand of God, who murder for revenge? The Japanese police are - well stupid? But smarter than USA who shares banking information with Russians through our computer networks - any Red Communist can latch onto your bank accounts and we know the Chinese have inside road.Open Sesame. Saba Tuesday, March 14, 2000HomeWorldArticle News Page One Tuesday, March 14, 2000HomeWorld Police hired doomsday cult for secret software Tokyo: Japanese police have been embarrassed by revelations that they sub-contracted the Aum Shinrikyo doomsday cult to write software for supposedly secret operations. As a result of this glaring breach of security, the cult - public enemy number one since it killed 12 people and injured thousands of others in a nerve gas attack on the Tokyo underground in 1995 - gained access to classified information and earned 2 million yen ($31,000) from the police into the bargain. It is the latest evidence of the ease with which computer companies linked to Aum have penetrated the top echelons of the Japanese Government, including the defence agency, as well as many of the nation's biggest companies and academic institutions. According to the Yomiuri Shimbun, the metropolitan police department contracted IBM Japan to set up a computer system to manage its patrol cars, some of which were likely to have been involved in monitoring the cult, whose name means supreme truth. Part of this job was sub-contracted through a complex series of channels to Vainqueur, a software firm affiliated to Aum, for about 2 million yen. Neither IBM nor the police were aware of the identity of their software provider until a month before the new system was to go into operation in early 1998, by which time the cult had already seen classified data on the deployment of 115 police vehicles, including unmarked cars. In a frantic effort to minimise the damage, police took some of the cars out of use and changed the licence plates on others. The revelations represent a blow to the police, whose previously strong public image has taken a hammering in recent weeks with revelations of drug-taking, cover-ups and negligence. But they are not alone in providing funds and secret information to Vainqueur. Last month, Japan's defence force, which controls one of the world's most powerful military arsenals, had to suspend part of its computer network after discovering that an Aum-linked firm was one of the installation sub-contractors. It has also emerged that cult members worked on computer systems at the construction, education and telecommunications ministries, as well as at key corporations, such as NTT, Kiyo Bank and the East Japan Railway. In recent raids on cult facilities, inspectors have found a database with information on thousands of officials at Japanese corporations. Neither Aum nor the police has commented on the latest revelations. The 2,000-member cult has recently enacted a series of reforms, including changing its name to Aleph and disavowing the teachings of its guru, Shoko Asahara, in an effort to counter a police crackdown and growing public pressure for it to disband. SABA: So Japan has strict gun laws..now will they take away the swords
[CTRL] Paul O'Neill's $62,000,000 Delay
http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/06/07/oneill/index.html Aluminum sliding Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill promised to dump his Alcoa stock in March. He still hasn't -- and might have bagged $62 million as a result. - - - - - - - - - - - - By Jake Tapper June 7, 2001 | WASHINGTON -- More than two months ago, Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill agreed to sell $100 million in stock in Alcoa, the aluminum company he used to run, announcing on ABC's "This Week" that he had told his staff, "Let's get this off the table" in order to avoid any appearance of a conflict of interest. For now, though, O'Neill's stocks are still very much on the table. He has not fully divested and refuses to say just how much stock he has left in his former company. But he almost surely has earned millions off the stock as its price has soared in recent months -- in part because of initiatives by the federal government. By delaying his sale of the stock, O'Neill could have reaped a $62 million windfall. By Thursday, Alcoa's stock had increased in value about 30 percent since O'Neill made that March 25 announcement, promising to divest from the company he ran for 13 years. Michele Davis, a Treasury spokeswoman, said that O'Neill had sold some of his stock, but would not say how much, refusing to characterize his transaction as either large or small, saying only that "it will all be gone by June 22. His financial advisors are selling pieces of it on a routine basis." Davis claims that O'Neill's sale of Alcoa stock has been underway since "maybe April." But as of Thursday, the Securities and Exchange Commission had no record showing that O'Neill had sold any shares of Alcoa. And according to Peter Romeo, a Washington securities lawyer, the SEC would "almost certainly" have to be notified had any large transaction by a former chairman gone through. Davis did not return a call for further comment. Considering the meteoric rise of Alcoa stock since O'Neill's March 25 pledge, such a delay makes financial, if not ethical, sense. After all, O'Neill left Alcoa with 2.37 million shares of stock and 3.77 million in stock options. Had he held on to all of his stocks as Alcoa's stock price has shot to the roof in the last few months, he would now be significantly richer -- $62 million richer. "One of the sad truths of Washington is you can't take people at their word anymore on anything," says Charles Lewis, executive director of the Center for Public Integrity, a government watchdog group. "When we hear people are selling their stocks, silly us -- we actually thought he was selling it. The idea that he has gotten wealthier by not doing what he promised the American people he would do weeks ago is lamentable and misleading to the public." Lewis also says he was troubled by the fact that O'Neill has "made money by holding on to [the stock] while at the same time administration policies on energy have driven up the price of his stock." When President Bush was sworn in Jan. 21, Alcoa stock was worth $32.69 per share. On March 26, the day after O'Neill said he would sell his shares in Alcoa, the company's stock opened at $33.90. Since then, due in part to actions by the federal government in response to the energy crisis, Alcoa stock has risen dramatically. On Wednesday, Alcoa closed at $43.99 on the New York Stock Exchange -- a $10.09, or 29.8 percent, increase since O'Neill promised to sell the stock. In other words, O'Neill's net worth because of Alcoa has increased $23.9 million if he has held on to his entire investment. Moreover, O'Neill also held 3.77 million Alcoa stock options. Alcoa's annual report says the 44.6 million options given to employees have an average exercisable price of $23.42. Assuming this to be the worth of each one of O'Neill's stock options -- a conservative estimate -- the increase in value of these options from March 26 until June 6 would be approximately $38.1 million. That means, in total, O'Neill's foot-dragging on the matter could have made him $62 million richer. And O'Neill has certainly been in no hurry on the matter. It wasn't until April 23 that the U.S. Office of Government Ethics received his request for the certificate of divestiture form he would need to defer payment of the capital gains tax he would owe after selling his Alcoa shares. By that day, the stock price was already beginning to jump, closing at $40.42. The day that the ethics office issued his certificate of divestiture, on April 26, Alcoa closed at $42.08. A few weeks before, on April 10, officials at a federal government hydroelectric power company wholesaler in the Pacific Northwest, Bonneville Power Administration, run by the U.S. Department of Energy, asked aluminum producers in Washington, Oregon and Idaho to halt their production of aluminum for up to two years in order to conserve energy, reducing the worldwide supply of aluminum by 5 percent. The federal agency also requested that aluminum companies not restart 10
[CTRL] Echelon's Cover Blown
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?thesection=newsthesubsection= storyID=193599reportID=58554 Spying chain's cover blown 07.06.2001 By ALAN PERROTT and INDEPENDENT One after another the shutters in Washington came down on the European Union delegation as soon as they mentioned Echelon. No one in the United States Government would admit that the electronic spying system, the most powerful in the world, even existed. And if it did, they made clear, they would rather not go into it. The National Security Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency, the State Department and even the Department of Commerce refused to talk to the committee of members of the European Parliament (MEPs) on a fact-finding trip last month. Stonewalled wherever they turned, the MEPs left, angry and frustrated, cutting short their trip. Now, with the European Parliament's groundbreaking report into the global spy network published in Brussels, the MEPs who were left out in the cold know whom to blame. Not just the American authorities but the British Government, they are convinced, colluded in the obstruction. The 108-page report, the fruit of seven months' investigation by the Parliament, does nothing to dampen the controversy long associated with the clandestine network and raises fresh, disturbing questions. Echelon was set up during the Cold War by the United States, Britain, Canada, New Zealand and Australia to collate electronic intelligence. The network has grown to keep pace with the explosion in information technology. Today it gives 55,000 British and American operatives access to data gathered by 120 spy satellites worldwide. Every minute of every day, the system can process three million electronic communications. The spy network is very much an Anglo-American show, with the Americans as senior partners, run from Fort Meade in Maryland, Menwith Hill, Yorkshire, and GCHQ at Cheltenham. In Germany, 750 Americans operate an intercept station near Bad Aibling, taken over by the US Army in 1952. New Zealand espionage expert and author Nicky Hager says New Zealand's Waihopai surveillance facility near Blenheim eavesdrops on two major satellites funnelling enormous amounts of information across the Pacific, whether between Asia and the Americas or between countries on Asia's Pacific edge. This daily barrage is fed through a computer system which sifts out messages containing keywords or individual names and divides them between various intelligence agencies for further study. Officers of New Zealand's largest intelligence agency, the GCSB or Government Communications Security Bureau, sit in Wellington checking screen after screen of communications from Pacific sources. "The bureau has a name designed to be forgotten," says Hager. "Despite a best-selling book about them, very few people know they exist." The communications passed to the GCSB can come from any Pacific nation or source south of the equator and east of Papua New Guinea. Other data received in New Zealand, but obtained from different areas, is never sighted here but sent direct to Washington or Canberra. Hager doubts whether there is any political will in New Zealand to withdraw from this alliance as it would fundamentally alter our relationship with the United States. One of Europe's main worries is the claim that Echelon gathers industrial espionage from European companies for American rivals. Boeing and McDonnell Douglas are said to have beaten France to a $6 billion contract to supply Airbus jets to Saudi Arabia, thanks to Echelon intercepts of faxes and phone calls. There has also been scathing criticism of Britain - and its obsession with secrecy - from its European partners for siding with the "Anglo-Saxon" club rather than Europe in espionage matters. The MEPs were alarmed to learn that their mobile phones were being used to track their movements and could be transformed into bugging devices. At least they can take some comfort from claims that the network is just as capable of being used against the United States. A former employee of Canada's security agency has claimed that Canadian spies once managed to overhear the American ambassador in Ottawa discussing a pending trade deal with China on a mobile phone. The information gained was used to undercut the Americans and land a $2.5 billion Chinese grain sale. But while the European report is revealing, the authors did not vindicate all the claims made about the spy system. They failed to prove conclusively that Echelon had been used by the United States, or indeed Britain, for commercial spying on European competitors. And its scope is not as extensive as had been feared. But the report warned businesses and ordinary individuals that they were being spied on and that users should encrypt their e-mails. It said: "That a global system for intercepting communications exists ... is no longer in doubt. They do tap into private, civilian and corporate communications." Nicky Hager
[CTRL] The McVeigh Ruling- A Travesty Of Justice
http://wsws.org/articles/2001/jun2001/mcve-j08.shtml The McVeigh ruling--a travesty of justice By Barry Grey 8 June 2001 The ruling handed down Wednesday by Federal Judge Richard Matsch denying Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh's request for a stay of execution is a flagrant attack on the constitutional principle of due process with ominous implications for basic democratic rights. Matsch's ruling was upheld Thursday by the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals in a rapid-fire decision that reeked of contempt for the constitutional issues raised by McVeigh's lawyers. “McVeigh has utterly failed to demonstrate substantial grounds upon which relief might be granted,” the court declared. Echoing Matsch, the appeals court judges dismissed out of hand McVeigh's complaint that the Federal Bureau of Investigation had prejudiced his trial and sentencing by illegally withholding thousands of pages of evidence from his attorneys. Following Thursday's appeals court ruling, McVeigh instructed his attorneys to forego a final appeal to the US Supreme Court, making all but certain his execution by lethal injection on Monday, June 11 at 8 AM Eastern Daylight Time. These rulings are a travesty of justice. They stink to high hell. The enormity of the crime for which McVeigh was convicted does not give federal authorities license to withhold thousands of pages of evidence from his defense lawyers, and then rush him to the death chamber before his legal team can properly study the suppressed documents. Such a procedure makes a mockery of democratic rights. The operating principle behind these rulings is the motto: “Dead men tell no tales.” Behind all of the official talk of “closure” and the manipulation of the families affected by the horrible crime in which McVeigh participated is an effort by the government and the courts, aided and abetted by the media, to conceal evidence of criminality by federal agencies that might point to their own complicity in the Oklahoma City bombing. There is reason to believe that Matsch is far more aware of the forces that were at work in the bombing that killed 168 people in April of 1995 than McVeigh himself. The only plausible explanation for the unseemly rush on the part of the federal government and the courts to put McVeigh to death, riding roughshod over the legal rights of criminal defendants in the process, is their fear that a further delay in his execution and the reopening of an investigation will expose the government's connections to ultra-right forces and its own culpability. Matsch handed down his ruling less than a month after Attorney General John Ashcroft revealed that the Federal Bureau of Investigation had withheld more than 3,000 pages of evidence from McVeigh's lawyers. Ashcroft made this announcement only days before McVeigh's original execution date, which Ashcroft then put off to June 11. Since then, the Justice Department has turned up nearly 1,000 additional pages of suppressed evidence, most of which McVeigh's defense team received less than two weeks before Matsch's ruling. Matsch's decision stunned even government prosecutors, who argued against a stay of execution but were all but reconciled to the likelihood that the execution would be delayed, given the scale of the violation of McVeigh's rights and the obvious fact that McVeigh's lawyers had not had adequate time to study the evidence and pursue further investigations. McVeigh's lawyers argued that their preliminary reading of the documents had uncovered evidence pointing to the existence of a wider conspiracy in the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. Some of the withheld evidence, they alleged, pointed to the involvement of FBI or Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms informants, and suggested that federal authorities had been given advance warning of the bombing. They maintained that the suppression of this information had damaged McVeigh's defense. While not contesting the guilty verdict against their client, they asserted that the suppressed evidence could warrant a new hearing on McVeigh's sentence, potentially reducing it from death to life imprisonment. The defense lawyers asked Matsch to delay the execution so that they could pursue a charge of fraud by federal authorities against the court and reopen McVeigh's appeal proceedings. Without making any reference to specific evidentiary facts raised by the defense, the judge dismissed their arguments on the absurd grounds that even if their allegations of a wider conspiracy and the complicity of federal agencies could be substantiated, such revelations would have no impact on either the verdict or the sentence against McVeigh. “The argument of defendant's counsel that the jury may not have found the death penalty was justified if the defense had been able to implicate additional perpetrators is just not tenable,” Matsch declared. To back up this claim,
[CTRL] Legal System Linked To Templars Masonry
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20010506.htm From the May 2001 Idaho Observer: Legal system linked to Templars and Freemasonry? The legal profession in the U.S., as monopolized by the American Bar Association and its subordinate state Bar Associations, has its roots in British “Inner Temples.” Under “Inner Temple,” the 1978 Encyclopedia Britannica says, “(English law): see Inns of Court.” Under “Inns of Court,” the Britannica explains that the “Lincoln's Inn, Gray's Inn, Inner Temple and Middle Temple [are] a group of institutions of considerable antiquity, located in London, that have been historically responsible for legal education. Their respective governing bodies, the benches, exercise the exclusive right of admitting persons to practice by a formal call to the bar.” According to the Britannica, Inns of Court are voluntary societies that are, “unchartered, unincorporated and unendowed. Hence their early history [which began in the Middle Ages] is obscure.” The Inns of Court Temple can be entered from Fleet Street in London. Britannica refers to the Temple as “another segment of the City's power machinery.” The Templars The Temple was originally the British headquarters of the Knights Templar. Historical documents show that the Templars returned from the Crusades with incredible first-century documentation, wealth and treasures and was the richest organization in the world at that time -- richer even than the Vatican. The Templars became a specific target of the Inquisition in 1307. Pope Clement V and King Phillip IV of France ganged up on the Templars and burned its Grand Master Jaques DeMolay at the stake in 1314. According to Lawrence Gardner, “the appointed historian and sovereign genealogist to 33 royal families who,” according to Dr. Len Horowitz, “has access to Celtic church records dating back to 37 A.D,” the Templars were responsible for creating the banking network that funded every European Court of the time and is still in place to this day. The Britannica and Gardner concur that the Templars were the ancestors of various secret societies, including the Freemasons. Considering the incalculable wealth of the Templars up to the time of DeMolay's execution; considering they were not “evicted” for past due rent, what are we to think? The historical impact of Masonic influence in European and American history since the Middle Ages to present is extremely well-documented. It is not inconceivable that the Templars, which never lost their financial might, were forced to change form during the Inquisition. At that time they became many things, including Freemasons, Prieure de Sion, Knights of Malta, Knights of Columbus, Rosicrucians...and...lawyers? The power of those who were educated in the law, knew how to write the law, knew how to interpret the law and knew how to twist the law were obviously held in high regard when the Templars were forced to change their leopard spots as the lawyers were given the keys to the Temple when the Templars allegedly left. Today The most interesting clues as to how and why lawyers have gained so much influence over all three branches of American government can be found at the American Inns of Court website. There are hundreds of “Inns” across the nation that boast an aggregate membership of some 20,000 judges and attorneys (if there are 1 million lawyers in this country, then 1 out of 50 belong to this secret society). The page links to the Inns of Europe and describes its mission. “An American Inn of Court is not a fraternal order, a social club, a course in continuing legal education, a lecture series, an apprenticeship system, or an adjunct of a law school's program. While an AIC partakes of some of each of these concepts, it is quite different in aim, scope, and effect.” The American Inns of Court have adopted the “English model of apprenticeship” and are designed “to improve the skills, professionalism and ethics of the bench and bar. An American Inn of Court is an amalgam of judges, lawyers, and, in some cases, law professors and law students. Each Inn meets approximately once a month both to 'break bread' and to hold programs and discussions on matters of ethics, skills and professionalism.” No further comment is needed here. The state of our lawyer-influenced nation speaks for itself. An excellent compilation of the involvement of ancient secret societies in contemporary life can be found in the book, “Healing Codes for the Biological Apocalypse” by Dr. Len Horowitz (1-888-508-4787).
[CTRL] Pharmacy contaminates shots with meningitis causing bacteria
-Caveat Lector- http://www.sacbee.com/news/calreport/calrep_story.cgi?story =N2001-06-07-1915-0.html One dead, at least three others are infected with meningitis WALNUT CREEK (AP) -- At least one man is dead and three others infected with meningitis after a Contra Costa County pharmacy apparently contaminated cortisone shots with the bacteria, health investigators said Thursday. A 47-year-old Concord man recently died from the disease after receiving an injection at John Muir Medical Center. Thee others have been hospitalized with the non-contagious disease. An elderly man who received similar injections also died of meningitis, though it is not clear if that death was related to the contaminated batch of shots. About 20 patients received the injections into their spines, Contra Costa County investigators said. They said workers at Doc's Pharmacy Home Health Care Center in Walnut Creek somehow infected the shots before sending them out for use by health workers. -- Best Wishes If you're a politician, bureaucrat, or cop whose livelihood depends on the drug war, you're fully as contemptible as any pusher, smuggler, or cocaine baron -- more so, because, unlike them, you profit directly by destroying what was once the greatest freedom ever known to humankind. - Mirelle Stein, _The Productive Class_ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bilderberger Blair Re-Elected...Illuminati Agenda To Unfold As Scheduled
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/index1c.html BILDERBERGER BLAIR WINS SECOND TERM TO TAKE UK INTO THE SINGLE CURRENCY By David Icke ILLUMINATI PLACE MAN MANIPULATED INTO OFFICE AGAIN AND NOW WATCH THE AGENDA UNFOLD Another elected dictatorship was "voted" back into power as Bilderberger Tony Blair began a second term as the UK's puppet Prime Minister. It was a classic Illuminati operation. When they wanted Margaret Thatcher in office during the Thatcherism/Reaganomics era in the 1980s, they first organised the so- called Winter of Discontent - an explosion of strikes and industrial unrest that ensured the then Labour government would be soundly beaten in the 1979 election that brought Thatcher to power. To keep her in power for the desired period, they ensured that two unelectable Labour leaders, Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock, led the opppsition to Thatcher in the years that followed. When she became surplus to requirements and began to resist, at least publicly, the UK's further absorbtion into the European superstate, she was removed by her own party while still in office - a year after the Bilderberg Group was reported to have made that decision.. The Thatcher regime was keenly supported by the "newspapers" of Rupert Murdoch and most of the rest of the British press - until that is it was time for her to go. Then the Bilderberger, Tony Blair, was elected leader of the Labour Party after the sudden death of John Smith and Murdoch's papers then switched their support from the Conservative Party to Labour for the first time. This is hardly surprising, given that Blair is an Illuminati place man put in office to serve their agenda - particularly taking the UK into the European single currency and eliminating the pound sterling. On Thursday morning, election day, Blair was endorsed by the Murdoch papers and usually staunch Conservative papers like the Daily Express. Even the Daily Mail, which claims to be opposed to the European superstate, did not support the Conservative leader, William Hague. The Daily Mirror, the second biggest selling paper behind Murdoch's comic, the Sun, ran a picture of Hague on the front page with the headline X Marks the Clot. Hague was brought to the leadership of the Conservative Party during the first term of the Blair Government for the same reason that Foot and Kinnock headed the Labour Party during the Thatcher governments: it ensured that their chosen puppets would stay in office. Today, Hague has resigned after being ridiculed by the media dedicated to another Blair government. Now watch Blair begin the propaganda to manipulate and frighten public opinion into accepting the end of the pound and taking the European single currency. That is what he is there for. He says he will hold a referendum when the economic conditions are right to go into the Euro. Those conditions could not be met while the pound was at its present value. However, this morning as I write this, the pound's value is plummeting on the exchange markets. Just a co-incidence, nothing to worry about.
[CTRL] Link- DynCorp's $600 Million Dollar State Dept. Contract
http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/military/featured/2001/dyncontract.html Corpwatch has acquired a copy of a $600 million dollar contract between DynCorp and the U.S. State Department. The company carries crop fumigation and eradication against coca farmers in Colombia, Bolivia and Peru. In Colombia it is also involved in drug interdiction, transport, reconnaissance, search and rescue missions, medical evacuation and aircraft maintenance, among other operations. Read The Contract Here
Re: [CTRL] ongoing proGay Pressure
-Caveat Lector- you claimed that there was a gay blocking the referendum. i have asked you ots of times to name him and show evidence for your totally bullshit claim ;) so you haven't quoted your sources at all. the publications for that stuff is years old - and I don't intend to reresearch it. BUT If I could easily identify the government agency that oversees polls both at home and abroad - [I don't think its the electoral commission] - it would therefore be the chief executive of THAT organisation. Bear in mind that not only would it be easy for this chap to say yes to whitehall - he would probably do anything Mandelson - the gay architect of tonys labour - wanted however - the point is a moot one - tonnes of gays lined up to subvert the referendum, the referendum result - demonstrated that the majority of voters in scotland - ie. more people than would normally elect a legitimate government - voted to keep the clause as we know people/gays actively campaigned against it - though they haven't been successful in england yet and it is of his own admittance, when he returned to the political scene he announced all his past gay stuff to nullify any tabloid innuendo. it has worked. he is great guy! hehe, he is of direct spanish descent (he is fluent) but is very anti- europe... he has had an active gay life but is anti-gay politically.. he is a paradox and i think he is dangerous and creeepy and just ace ;) i cannot wait til heis leader of the conservative party. which he will be and he will run blair ragged as opposition leader and it will be such a laugh. sounds fun, but having fantasies about Portillo is a bad idea - I'll bet he wouldn't have liked to get locked up in a tory refugee concentration camp - If I were you - I'd idolise someone else - Portillo doesn't sound like a family man. I hope that the wonderful family life so blessed with children that you were describing to amelia will continue in peace - and don't worry too much about nasty homophobic scotsmen like myself - we never could cope with culloden and paul gascoigne scoring at wembley :) why if I explored my feminine side more often I would be more sensitive ;) andrew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] AP: Calif. Congressman Threatens to Sue Over Missing Woman Stories; NYP: Intern called police before vanishing
-Caveat Lector- Friday, June 8, 2001 Calif. Congressman Threatens to Sue Over Missing Woman Stories From Associated Press WASHINGTON -- Rep. Gary Condit has hired a lawyer and demanded that media outlets retract news stories about the nature of his relationship with a young woman who has been missing for five weeks. Condit's relationship with Chandra Levy, 24, has come under media scrutiny since her disappearance April 30. Police are treating the disappearance as a missing person's case, rather than a criminal matter. The California Democrat has called Levy a good friend, but some media reports have quoted unidentified sources as suggesting the two were romantically involved. Condit's office has denied any romance. Mike Lynch, Condit's chief of staff, said in a statement Thursday the congressman has hired attorney Joseph Cotchett of the San Francisco area. The lawyer has sent a letter to several media outlets seeking retractions. False statements, statements taken out of context and sheer innuendo and rumor have been published as fact, Lynch said. Photos have been doctored to mislead the public. Levy was a graduate student at the University of Southern California, and just completed an internship with the Federal Bureau of Prisons when she disappeared. She had planned to return to attend graduation ceremonies in Los Angeles, and her bags were found packed in her Washington apartment. ### http://www.nypostonline.com/news/nationalnews/27487.htm New York Post June 8, 2001 INTERN CALLED POL BEFORE VANISHING By NILES LATHEM, DAVID K. LI, and ANDY GELLER June 8, 2001 -- Missing Washington intern Chandra Levy called Rep. Gary Condit several times the day before she mysteroiusly vanished, according to her cell-phone records. Investigators say Levy repeatedly called the California Democrat at a special answering service that bypassed his congressional office. The 24-year-old, hazel-eyed, dark-haired beauty, who had just completed a six-month internship with the Bureau of Prisons, was last heard from on May 1, when she e-mailed her parents in Modesto, Calif. Her cell-phone records reveal that she called the 53-year-old Condit - whose office she had visited - several times on both April 29 and April 30. Sgt. Joseph Gentile, a Washington police spokesman, refudsed to confirm whether the records show Levy called the congressman. He said only that cops had taken her cell-phone and laptop from her apartment, and we are going through the records. The disclosure of the calls follows a Washington Post report that Condit admitted to cops that the attractive intern slept at his apartment in Washington's trendy Adams Morgan neighborhood. The newspaper also quoted a close relative as saying Levy had confided she was romantically involved with the married congressman. Levy had suggested to friends that she was dating a congressman, and in a home video that the family distributed on May 22, her father, Robert, talks about her adventures in Washington . . . and a congressman friend. Appearing on the ABC show The View yesterday, Chandra's mother, Susan, was taken aback when asked about The Washington Post story. I don't know what to say, Susan Levy said. I don't want to impede the Police Department and their work. The anguished mom said the family is doing terrible. It's the most horrible thing a family could ever go through. My husband's a cancer doctor, and he cannot effectively practice medicine in the professional way he normally does. He's too nervous to make heavy-duty decisions. Condit has denied having a romance with Chandra, and his spokesman, Randy Groves, declined to comment on the latest reports, saying he didn't want to distract from efforts to find the missing woman. We are not going to feed a media frenzy, he said. In Ceres, Calif., the congressman's mother, Jean, strongly denied her son had an untoward relationship with Chandra. The news media are vultures, she fumed. They are trying to destroy him. They're lying. Copyright 2001 NYP Holdings, Inc. All rights reserved. == Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to
[CTRL] PEACE AND SAFETY
-Caveat Lector- June 8, 2001 Dear Newswatch Magazine Listeners/Readers: The United Nations is meeting July 9-13, 2001 in New York to discuss the final program to disarm private citizens in ALL nations - INCLUDING THE UNITED STATES!!! Of course, this will NOT affect any Communist country because they have been disarmed since they were overthrown. THIS PROGRAM IS DESIGNED FOR THE UNITED STATES AND BRITISH COMMONWEALTH OF NATIONS. We are the enemy of International Communism - Luciferianism - Satanism. This is the final attempt to disarm America, so the Marxist United Nations can send in her peacekeeping forces to occupy us. President John F. Kennedy signed Freedom From War in September 1961 which was State Department Publication 7277. This document called for turning all of our military armaments over to the United Nations in three stages. He also signed Blueprint for the Peace Race in April 1962 which called for foreign troops to patrol the streets of America - specifically Russia in the South, China in the West and Venezuela in the North along with one other country. The United Nations is trying to eliminate the veto power of the Big 5, so the General Assembly can vote on proposals and they become law. If this were to happen and the United States remained inside the UN, we would be outvoted by Communist countries, Muslim countries, and all third and fourth world countries. They would have the firepower and the shear NUMBERS in its army to force America to become openly Socialist/Communist. Every Constitutional Right that we were given in 1789 would be GONE. Venezuela, during the week of May 17, 2001, SIGNED agreements with both Russia and China which included military technical support. WHY? Venezuela must be prepared for the time of their military patrols in the Northern sections of America when the UN occupies us. But that's not all! This anti-American coalition includes India and Iran also. Russia wants to make sure their ally has the capability of cutting off the oil to America when the right time has arrived. Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov signed a military cooperation agreement with Venezuela's Defense Minister, Jose Vicente Rangel. We will begin to see Russian and Chinese military advisors pouring into the country, V.I. Lenin in 1921 laid out the world program to conquer America and the West for world government. He said they would first take Eastern Europe, then the masses of Asia, then surround the United States which would be the last bastion of capitalism. It would fall into their hands. HOW? They have Cuba, Nicaragua, now Venezuela and working on Columbia and Mexico. China now has control of both ends of the Panama Canal. China has nuclear missiles - at least 18 with 10 multiple warheads that could strike 180 U.S. cities. Combine this with Russian nuclear submarines that also carry a payload of warheads off of our East and West coast, and we have the very scenario they wrote about in 1921. Russia and the world Communist leaders have left no stone unturned. They also laid down the Plan in case America did not fall and resistance did occur. They actually started their 1930 Plan that was written down by Dimity Manuilski in 1985-1989. The would PRETEND that Communism had collapsed and was no longer a threat to the West. The treaties that they had agreed to with the U.S. to disarm would be broken while the U.S. DID observe them. They would have electrifying overtures of PEACE that would lull the West to sleep - thinking Communism was NO longer a threat to our security. WHEN WE HAD DISARMED, THEY WOULD SMASH US WITH THEIR CLENCHED FIST!!! When former President/Communist Bill Clinton gave away our secrets to the Communist Chinese, it helped the process of surrounding the U.S. with more advanced nuclear missiles than they had in their supplies. Now President George W. Bush is doing his part in the dismantling of our military as called for in those Kennedy documents from 1961 and 1962. The American people have NO concept as to what is happening to them. The mass news media has filled their minds with PEACE AND SAFETY. That sleepy time will come to a screeching halt before long. We don't know the exact moment, but it will come. WHY DOES IT HAVE TO HAPPEN? God sifted ancient Israel through the nations because of their violation of the Everlasting Covenant that He and Israel entered into. He told king David that He would use foreign nations to punishment for disobedience: If his [king David Israel] children FORSAKE my law, and walk not after my judgments; If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; THEN will I visit their transgression WITH THE ROD [of war], and their iniquity WITH STRIPES (Psalm 89: 30-32). This nation will suffer at the hand of the enemy. BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO! Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that GREAT SHEPHERD of the sheep, THROUGH THE BLOOD OF THE EVERLASTING COVENANT, Make you perfect [through forgiveness] in
[CTRL] Fwd: [MC] Barbara Hartman Part II
PRE Shopping for auto insurance? Compare up to four companys' rates at progressive.com, rated the top online insurance carrier by internet quality measurement firm Gomez.com. A HREF= http://click.topica.com/caaacoBbz8QXLbAgkRya/Progressive http://click.topica.com/caaacoBbz8QXLbAgkRya/Progressive/A /PRE - Original Message - From: Barbara Hartwell To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];Thomas, Kenneth F.;[EMAIL PROTECTED];Rayelan;[EMAIL PROTECTED];Kasten, Kathy;Barbara Hartwell;Uri Dowbenko;Kurt Billings Sent: 6/7/01 5:30:34 PM Subject: TIMETO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT: PART 2 Dear Friends, Here is Part 2 of my article, Time to Set the Record Straight. It is intended for publication on Steamshovel Press and Conspiracy Planet, as the sequel to my Part 1. (Sorry it took so long. ) Uri, please check for errors and correct if necessary. Thanks. This report is not intended for distrubution on any e-mail lists, but may also be posted on a website by anyone receiving this, at your discretion. I have quoted material from Rayelan Allan and Robert Sterling and the content re Kurt Billings is continued from Part 1. Thanks for your consideration. P.S. I will be leaving tonight for parts unknown --to get some desperately-needed RR. I'll be back in 2 weeks. *** Barbara Hartwell Legal Defense and Research Fund PO Box 832 Woodstock NY 12498 WEBSITE http://www.ulster.net/~babs7/ TIME TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT: PART 2 Time to Set the Record Straight, Part 1 is posted on Steamshovel Press http://www.steamshovelpress.com/thingsaregonnaslide.html and Conspiracy Planet http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?ChannelID=64 A STRATEGIC RETREAT I have found it necessary to withdraw from the public arena for several compelling reasons: Serious concerns about my safety, including threats to my life. Financial destitution. Disability/chronic illness. I have found nobody among my family, friends and associates willing to provide any serious backup, financially, professionally or otherwise. On the contrary, I have been abandoned and betrayed by so many people, I've lost count. For far too long, I have been up against the most brutal persecution all alone, with nobody I can rely on for the type of solid support I need. A whistleblower is often the lone gun. And what's it like to be the target of a CIA neutralization campaign ? The enemy deploys their massive artillery with impunity, manned by inexhaustible battalions of troops. Folks, I am outmanned and outgunned. I won't back down, nor will I sacrifice my principles. I will not compromise with my adversaries. And I will not be intimidated by their threats and other forms of persecution. This is a strategic retreat --NOT a surrender. But enough is enough. I need a break. And come hell or high water, I am going to take one. OVERWORKED AND UNDERPAID I can no longer afford to spend my time doing research and writing articles for which I am not paid, while trying to fend off the severe harassment I have been targeted for over the past seven years, which I can only compare to trench warfare. I need to do whatever it takes to reduce the extreme stress, in order to avoid a total collapse. I have suffered from posttraumatic stress disorder for many years. And in my case, since the traumatic stress is ongoing --not just a one-time, past-tense stressor from which I am attempting to recover--I have no choice but to remove myself from all stressors which are under my control --until I can catch my breath and make a new battle plan. In lieu of further public activism and publishing articles on the Internet, I plan to spend the better part of my time finishing my book, titled Hardwired: The True Story of a CIA Black Ops Survivor. Those people who are seriously interested in my research and experiences can buy the book. At least I won't be working for no compensation. I am thoroughly exhausted and I am no longer willing to burn myself out nor allow my resources and energy to be totally drained, meanwhile being forced to struggle for basic survival. I've known plenty of people who pay lip service in support of Freedom and Justice for All. And who complain about outrageous violations of human and constitutional rights. But for the most part, that's where their efforts seem to stop. Few are willing to put themselves on the line to fight for what they say they believe in --not if it threatens their personal comfort and security. Not if they have to make serious sacrifices for the cause. As for myself, I've had no comfort, nor security, for many years. Sacrifices ? I've exhausted my store. I'm also tired of being an unpaid investigator for those who are too lazy to do their own research and seem to take for granted that just because I
[CTRL] China Broke U.S. Military Codes After Taking Plane
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/6/7/193114.shtml China Broke U.S. Military Codes After Taking Plane Charles R. Smith Friday, June 8, 2001 China broke secret U.S. military codes after the capture of a Navy aircraft. Japanese defense officials informed the Pentagon that the Link-11 secure military communication system was compromised after a U.S. Navy plane was forced down. Japanese defense officials confirmed that Tokyo ordered its defense forces to change Link-11 codes immediately after the EP-3E was captured. The U.S. Navy EP-3E surveillance aircraft held by China is equipped with the most advanced version of the NATO Link-11 secure communication system. The Navy aircraft was forced to land on Hainan Island after a collision with a Chinese air force F-8 interceptor in April. Japan has bought several EP-3E aircraft from America and shares the Link-11 system with U.S. allies in NATO. The Link-11 system passes information between ground stations and airborne early-warning aircraft of the Japan Air Self-Defense Force. The EP-3E in question, aircraft PR-32, was equipped with the latest version of the NATO Link-11 system, code named Story Book. Japanese officials are concerned that, even if the hard drives of the computers were magnetically wiped and the CD-ROM key disks were destroyed, there is still much the Chinese could learn. Chinese Army Uses Stolen U.S. System Chinese military engineers are already very familiar with the U.S. designed Link-11 communication system. The Chinese military employs a stolen version of the U.S.-made Link-11. The Link W system employed by the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) is an unlicensed copy of the U.S. Navy Link-11. Japan also shares the Link-11 system with America. Japan has two new Boeing 767 airliners, equipped with huge American designed radars to monitor aircraft and missile activity inside China. The Link-11 communication systems in these aircraft are identical to those used on the captured American EP-3E. Japanese military officials are worried that the new Boeing early-warning aircraft will be jammed and unable to pass critical data to command posts in the event of war with China. The Japan Defense Agency in Tokyo ordered an immediate evaluation of the risks to Japan after the U.S. Navy EP-3E was captured. Taiwan and Japan regularly fly electronic surveillance aircraft in the Sea of Japan and the East China Sea to monitor Chinese army communications and Chinese navy warship activity. Since the April EP-3E incident, Japanese and Taiwanese flights have been escorted by fighters and watched closely by radar. Navy and CIA Ignored Warnings Pentagon sources are convinced that the EP-3E incident was not an accident. In March, U.S. Navy intelligence officials ignored the repeated close encounters with the Chinese air force's jets, deciding that they were the actions of a single hot-shot pilot. Now defense analysts stated that they are certain that Chinese pilot Wang Wei acted with permission from PLAAF command. The Chinese air force operates under a strict Soviet-style control system that does not allow pilots to fly close passes without permission. In addition, Chinese army intelligence officials warned their American counterparts in January that the People's Liberation Army disapproved of American spy satellites, warning that the PLA might shoot one down in the future. CIA officials reportedly ignored the warnings from Beijing at the time. Defense officials now acknowledge the China has the capability of disabling or destroying a U.S. satellite. U.S. spy satellites are considered strategic assets and are monitoring Chinese military exercises. U.S. satellites also monitored the recent deployment of Chinese DF-11 and DF-15 mobile missiles to forward bases opposite Taiwan. Army's Anti-satellite Weapons The Chinese military has several active anti-satellite programs and has demonstrated a conventional space-rocket-launched anti-satellite weapon. More importantly, the People's Liberation Army Air Force is working on an aircraft launched anti-satellite missile that can pop up unexpectedly to attack U.S. satellites. The PLAAF program reportedly included the purchase of a MiG-31 Foxhound aircraft from Russia to fire a large, two-stage, anti-satellite missile. The Russian Foxhound is capable of flying at speeds in excess of 2,000 miles an hour at extremely high altitudes. Apparently the Chinese attempt to buy the Foxhound from Moscow has failed. However, the new Chinese J-11 Flanker jet fighter is capable of carrying the large anti-satellite missile. The Chinese army is also working on a ground-based laser designed to destroy or disable U.S. satellites. Recent translations of Chinese military documentation show that the PLA accelerated development of beam weapons during 2000. The new PLA anti-satellite laser is estimated to be able to deliver over 10,000 watts of output power on a target up to 500 miles away. China Broke U.S. Military
[CTRL] HOW DAVID ASIMOV, THE BIGGEST CHILD PORN PROCESSOR IN CALIFORNIA SKATED AWAY FROM FEDERAL PRISON WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM HIS FRIENDS
-Caveat Lector- Click Here: A HREF=http://www.newsmakingnews.com/asimov3,29,01.htm;http/A - HOW DAVID ASIMOV, THE BIGGEST CHILD PORN PROCESSOR IN CALIFORNIA SKATED AWAY FROM FEDERAL PRISON WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM HIS FRIENDS by Kathryn Dixon © 2000 David Asimov, of Living Oak Court, Bennett Ridge, Santa Rosa, the son of the late science fiction writer Isaac Asimov, was sentenced on March 28, 2001 to six months' home detention with electronic monitoring and three years federal probation for possessing child pornography. U.S. District Court Judge Maxine M. Chesney sentenced Asimov after reviewing a series of sealed psychiatric reports, one of which was ordered by the court. Asimov who was charged with four federal counts of possession of child pornography with each count carrying a five year sentence, pled guilty to two counts in a plea bargain deal. There was no forfeiture of any of Asimov's assets in this case, despite his owning a home in Santa Rosa purchased in 1996 for $375,000, and despite his receiving $3,000 per month from his father's estate. How did Asimov, who possessed one of the largest stashes of pornography in California, skate away from federal prison? A look at the players yields the answer. Asimov's child porn stash was so big many child victims and perpetrators would have taken a fall, had Asimov been zealously prosecuted at trial. Asimov would probably have escaped detection, if he had not taken his personal computer to a store when its scanner and color printer malfunctioned. A technician working on the machine discovered images of children engaged in sexual acts with adults. A store supervisor contacted the police. Asimov's case is not the only case where tips about child porn were generated by store technicians. It seems either child pornographers are stupid about fixing their computers or they are unwitting framed. The police raided Asimov's four-bedroom home with a search warrant and discovered the largest child porn processing center ever discovered in California. There were thousands of disks, thousands of videos, said Sonoma County Deputy District Attorney Gary Medvigy, who personally referred to Asimov's home as a processing center for child pornography. Anything imaginable regarding sex between human beings and human beings, or human beings and animals, was there. Whatever your imagination can conjure up, he had it. It was like walking into a TV studio Santa Rosa police seized scores of computer disks and approximately 4,000 videocassettes from Asimov's home, and approximately 1,000 of those videos contained child pornography. Medvigy said he had evidence to show Asimov distributed child pornography through the Internet ``on at least a few occasions,'' which would constitute a felony. He said Asimov had 14 video machines arranged for high-speed editing and copying, and possessed cases of blank tapes. In addition to the videotapes and computer disks recovered, police reportedly found video cameras, several VCRs, and a costly table-top scanner to create computer images. He had a whole lot of editing and mass production capabilities, Santa Rosa Police officer Zamudio said. We were greeted by thousands of tapes, disks, periodicals, and commercial videos with covers showing child pornography. We spent two days collecting, packaging, and transporting all the items. The Sonoma County District Attorney J. Michael Mullins covered up the case, let the public believe the feds would prosecute it more thoroughly, and then passed the cover up to U.S. Attorney Mueller. In March 1998, Asimov was arrested in Sonoma County and charged with two counts of felony exploitation of a child and possession of pornography. Asimov faced a maximum state penalty of six years. The identity of the child whom Asimov alleged exploited was never revealed to the public. Parents and associates of the child never came forward. Was there a secret settlement in the style of Michael Jackson? Was any effort at all made to identify the children in the tapes? In Europe, parents who are looking for their missing children or for evidence of child abuse are allowed to view pictures of faces of children depicted in porno tapes which are seized by the police. No one in Sonoma County reported any photo arrays seized from Asimov's home being shown by the police to any parents whose children were exploited or kidnapped. Asimov was arraigned in Sonoma County Municipal Court, with bail set at $250,000. Asimov spent a few days in jail. His lawyer Andrian said Asimov had the money to post bail, but preferred to attempt to get out on his own recognizance. In fact, a few days later, Judge Frank Passalacqua released Asimov after having been told no local victims were identified in the porn seized from Asimov's home. Thus, within only a few days of his arrest, Asimov was released, because the police happened to know no local victims were involved. How could they have known so fast? Obviously, the Sonoma County
[CTRL] Back again
-Caveat Lector- I am back again. I have a new email address (as you will notice) as the old one has ceased to operate. My website http://leviathan.weblogs.com is still updated daily, and should have something of interest to researchers. I have also discovered that history is a lie. No idea if this has been posted, but I haven't seen the list for a couple of weeks. http://www.saturdaynight.ca/ TIME WARP By Timothy Taylor/Photographs by Mark Gilbert You might think it's the year 2000, but a group of prominent Russian mathematicians is arguing that history is all wrong, and it's actually 936AD. They've set off a battle that's now come to Canada, and it's getting nasty The man in the tweed jacket sitting ahead of me is growing visibly agitated. We're at a mathematics conference at the University of Alberta just before the end of the school year, and things have been predictably calm so far. But twice in the past minute what's coming from the front of the room has made my tweedy neighbour twist angrily in his seat. Our speaker is Gleb Nosovskii, a mathematics professor from Moscow State University, a man with a long black beard and dark eyes who is deeply serious about the matter at hand. This is only appropriate, because his presentation is nothing short of a mathematical case against history as we know it. Nosovskii and his Russian colleagues, led by the famous Moscow State geometrician Anatoly Fomen-ko, believe that our global chronology is profoundly flawed. They argue that the conventional sequencing of historical events in the Mediterranean and in Europe from 3000 BC to 1600 AD - a chronology they say was formalized in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries by the scientists Josephus Scaliger and Dionysius Petavius, and has never been fundamentally challenged since - is shot through with inexplicable duplications. These duplications, Nosovskii maintains, are revealed through mathematical-pattern analysis. In essence, it works like this: if you take the number of years ruled by each king in a succession of fifteen kings, you get a series of fifteen numbers that's called a dynastic function. Now, if you compare one dynastic function from the biblical kingdom of Judea to a dynastic function derived from a series of fifth-century popes, you might be surprised to find these functions looking exactly the same. Your surprise would be justified, because there is an infinitesimally small statistical chance that two different series of fifteen rulers from completely different parts of the global chronology will randomly be born, crowned, and die in precisely the same pattern. According to Nosovskii, however, there are several dozen examples of such duplication through the ages, right up until reliable historical documentation begins, some time around the sixteenth century. At that point the duplications abruptly stop. This is so statistically improbable, Nosovskii argues, that one must conclude there are serious errors in Scaliger and Petavius's chronology. Specifically, Nosovskii says their version of history, drawn from accounts in different languages and from different oral traditions, is greatly elongated. To explain the incredible statistical anomalies, the Russian mathematicians are suggesting that early Renaissance historians made mistakes. Some errors might have been honest (such as treating two accounts of the same event as two distinct events) and others could have been intentional (whereby historians, at the behest of their benefactors, might have altered history in their favour). The effect of all this, Nosovskii, Fomenko, et al. believe, is that phantom epochs were added to the global chronology. If they're right, the sweep of human history is overstated by thousands of years and a great number of ancient events happened much more recently than previously thought. Here at the U of A conference, Nosovskii has spent the past hour using astronomical data to bolster this case. He has redated half a dozen ancient eclipses centuries later than conventionally understood; he has shown us depictions of planets and constellations taken from Egyptian tombs and temples, and has resolved their dates into the medieval era; now, he is approaching the summit of his argument with a reworking of the astronomical data surrounding the first Noël. And what new date for the birth of Christ will we obtain if we use modern astronomy as our tool? asks Nosovskii as he prepares his final slide. The overhead projector hums. The students, professors, and a few curious members of the public wait as the next transparency slides into place. The man who has invited Nosovskii here today, Professor Wieslaw Krawcewicz of the University of Alberta's Department of Mathematical Sciences, is in the front row, craning his neck around, gauging the reaction of the audience. Nosovskii's new date for the birth of Christ fills the screen. The man in tweed in front of me
[CTRL] Fwd: Colonel X died, from Oliver Stone movie
http://www.prouty.org/ Fletcher Prouty went to meet JFK and talk it over. Two days ago.
[CTRL] Regret to announce the passing of Fletcher Prouty June 5th 2001
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.prouty.org/ Click Here: A HREF=http://www.prouty.org/;The Col. L. Fletcher Prouty Reference Site/A I regret to announce the passing of Fletcher Prouty June 5th 2001. Fletch as most close friends called him was a man of rare qualities. I was lucky enough to become one of his good friends. I treasured every conversation we had. Fletcher was very hard working and to his wife's lament never knew the word Retirement. After his service in the Pentagon, by accident he stumbled into a writing career that will keep his wisdom and spirt alive for years to come. Fletcher wrote, lectured, spoke on Radio shows, and was on Television many times, often regarding political intriuge from Watergate to the JFK Assassination. Of course he worked with Oliver Stone, Jim Garrison, and Zachary Sklar on the film JFK Fletcher Prouty was one of the most warm and amiable men you could ever meet. Almost endlessly, people from around the world came to visit and interview him. All you had to do was ask and he would give of his time. It will be his selfless and dogged effort to educate and inform that I feel he will be remebered for. For there was much oppostion to the ideas Fletcher wrote about. Whenever I was at his upstairs office at his home there was always a stack of letters that he would be replying to. Not a few, but a stack! He wrote two books and close to 100 articles for various publications. I know he was very proud of everything thing he had written, but especially his two books, The Secret Team, and JFK, Vietnam the CIA, and the plot to assassinate JFK. He had a wisdom that inspired many to look behind the story. This came out in his writing, the idea that things were so many times not what they were reported by news organizations. In response (or retaliation) he had suffered personal attacks in the press, but told me several times he was just trying to level the playing field. He was truly a man of his convictions. He will be remembered for his integrity and courage. Fletcher Prouty was the most intelligent man I knew. He was always up on current events, yet he had a strange habit these days. He never watched TV. And through a few phone calls to his network of associates and friends thoughout the world, he seemed to be better off and more informed than most which is a sad state for the news coverage today. The power or articulation was another of Fletcher's gifts. He could speak at great lengths without having to correct himself or backtracking, which made him very easy to listen to. He was very organized with his thoughts and those of us who sat through long conversations can attest to his attention to detail in describing events of the cold war period. I consider myself a better person for knowing Fletcher Prouty. I am indebted to him for all his time he shared so unselfishly. He will be sorely missed. His Funeral will be at the Arlington National Cemetary July 6th 2001 1pm In lieu of flowers the family has asked to make a donation to a local Humane society Leonard Osanic - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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[CTRL] Zionism and Nazism: A Discussion on the TV Channel Al-Jazeera
-Caveat Lector- Zionism and Nazism: A Discussion on the TV Channel Al-Jazeera Dr. Faysal Al-Qasem's weekly talk show of May 15,2001, on the Qatar TV channel Al-Jazeera, discussed the question, Is Zionism worse than Nazism?(1) Against the background of this program were on the one hand, the anti-Jewish remarks made by Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad, and on the other, the manifest signed by 14 Arab intellectuals, denouncing the planned international conference of Holocaust deniers in Beirut. The program hosted Dr. Hayat Al-Hwayek 'Atiya, researcher of Zionism and follower of Holocaust denier Roger Garaudi and translator of his book into Arabic. Liberal Tunisian intellectual 'Afif Al-Akhdhar represented the opposition to Holocaust denial in the Arab world. At the opening of the program, Al-Qasem, posed the following question to Dr. 'Atiya: Is there a difference between Zionism and Nazism? 'Atiya responded that the question should be looked at from two perspectives, the logical and the textual. Logically, she claimed, the question must be asked: 'what is it exactly that we denounce in Nazism?' According to her, there are two elements in Nazism that should be denounced: The first is the racism, that is, the belief in the superiority of the Aryan race over the rest of the races, and the second is the military expansion at the expense of others, stemming from this belief. After establishing these two points, Dr. 'Atiya stated that these two principles precisely existed in the Zionist mentality and ideology... ever since the days of the Jewish Torah... the belief in being the 'Chosen People' is one of the foundations of the Zionist project. As for the expansion, there is nothing left to say, because we are living through it. As for the textual perspective, 'Atiya cited some of the words of both Jewish and Nazi intellectuals. Nahum Goldman says that there is a common trait to both German Nazis and Jews, and that is the selectivity and the belief in a common destiny as a divine mission. Writer Michel Rashlan compares sections of Mein Kampf to the Jewish Torah, and comes to the conclusion that... the ideological roots of the Nazis can be found in the Book of Joshua... In 1935 a French newspaper published an interview with the Nazi theoretician, Alfred Rosenberg, in which he said he supports Zionism and is enchanted by it, because of its similarity to Nazism... 'Afif Al-Akhdhar was asked to respond to the comparison between Nazism and Zionism, but he began by addressing the manifest by 14 Arab intellectuals, denouncing the planned conference of Holocaust deniers in Beirut. The conference was subsequently cancelled by the Lebanese government following protests from Arab intellectuals and Jewish groups: The only reason for which I did not sign the manifest was that I was not asked to. Furthermore, if they had not been in a rush, hundreds of Arab intellectuals would have signed it, explained 'Afif Al-Akhdhar. The main reasons given by Al-Akhdhar regarding his stance against the conference of historical revisionists in Beirut are as follows: He explained that from a political point of view, following the collapse of the Soviet Bloc, no policy can succeed if it is not favorable to international diplomacy and public opinion. If we adopt the Nazis' garbage, he explained, we will lose on our issue, namely the liberation of the Arab lands occupied in 1967... Politically, if we support revisionism and Holocaust deniers... we will lose international diplomacy. Al-Akhdhar began by emphasizing that he does not denounce revisionist historians only for political reasons, but also on moral grounds. Before he could finish his explanation 'Atiya interrupted him and would not allow him to continue. Madame, Al-Akhdhar said to her, do not be a Nazi and do not be fascist. Once Dr. 'Atiya was given the stage, she complained: He did not answer the question. He avoided the subject. I was talking about the 1930s, when there was no revisionism and no Holocaust. I was talking about the cooperation between Zionism and Nazism... he evaded history in order to attack the Beirut conference... He should not be telling us about appeasing diplomacy and the media. [The Arab intellectuals] living in the West only want to appease. Those of us who live here are not interested in appeasing anyone; we are interested in the truth... The Jews supported the Nuremberg Laws because they made the Transfer easier... Dr. 'Atiya's comments angered Al-Akhdhar, who accused her of talking like the Taliban, saying that 'the media doesn't interest her.' According to him, whoever wants to recover the land and establish a homeland for the Palestinians must take the international media into consideration. There is no doubt that there is a commonality between Nazism and Zionism, Al-Akhdhar said, but he quickly added, this commonality exists between Nazism and all nationalist movements, which are based on one principle, namely the centrality of ethnic and
