[CTRL] Footprints of Israel - 19
-Caveat Lector- In the 16th Century, Martin Luther, the great reformer accused the Jews of: squeezing from us our money and goods...of lying, blaspheming and cursing. He went on to say: I will give you my true counsel. First, avoid their synagogues and schools and warn our people about them...there is more wisdom uttered in three of Aesop's fables, than in all the books of the Talmudist rabbis. Yet in spite of this warning, Luther's books are now banned in Lutheran schools. It will do us little good to attack the arms of this world-wide octopus. The filthy arms of prostitution, drugs, pornography, immorality -- you recognize most of them, I am sure. It will do us little good to march before the abortion clinics and before the theaters which display a filthy, blasphemous movie such as THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST, as long as the head is allowed to remain healthy. Most of the well known Christian leaders who protested the movie, were more concerned of the movie, than in its contents and what it would do to their people. How many of them do you know that have even told their people that the producers of this movie were Jews and that the studio that produced it was Jew owned and run? I dare you, as concerned Americans to look behind the facade of Hollywood and see those who seek to destroy Christian values. I dare you to look at the names of those who are seeking to destroy the economic stability of America in order to further their control. I challenge you to look and then act, for you will find most of the top leaders in this Plot to Destroy Christianity, are Jewish names. These must be exposed, if we are to remain free. They have already taken prayer and Bible reading from our schools; crosses from our hillsides, and nativity scenes from our courtyard square. This is a Christian Nation. If they wish to live as Jews, then let them abide by our laws, not try and destroy them and set up their own filthy standards. When this is shown beyond a shadow of a doubt, then it lies within our rights, to defend our Christian way of life, our faith, our race, our country and our freedom, with any means that is at hand. If this means evicting the Jews from America, as has happened to them before, then that means will be taken. But through God's help, we will defend our faith, our race, and our freedom against this godless enemy and we will consider their Christian stooges in America as our enemy too. WE WILL NEVER SURRENDER! Our freedom was not bought and paid for at Valley Forge, that was only the down payment on freedom. Every generation must be willing to make payment on this account, if they are to remain free. BEFORE GOD, WE INTEND TO DO JUST THAT! False propaganda, to be truly effective, Has to exist in an environment in which there are no alternatives to contradict it. Otherwise, it can be seen for the lie that it is. There are three kinds of people in America: 1). Those that know what is going on; 2). Those that think they know what is going on; and 3). Those that don't have a clue as to what is going on. 5% of the people think. 10% of the people think they think. The rest would rather die than think. How long would it take a blind giant, hammering upon an anvil, to produce a watch? That's how long it would take the evolutionists to explain their stupid theory. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Footprints of Israel - 20 (Last One)
-Caveat Lector- It is up to you, whether we remain free, or become slaves! For God has said: ...Behold, I will raise up thy lovers against thee, from whom thy mind is alienated, and I will bring them against thee on every side...And they shall come against thee with chariots, wagons, and wheels, and with an assembly of people, which shall set against thee buckler and shield and helmet round about: and I will set judgment before them, and they shall judge thee according to their judgments. And I will set my jealousy against thee, and they shall deal furiously with thee: they shall take away thy nose and thine ears; and thy remnant shall fall by the sword: they shall take thy sons and thy daughters [Has the enemy not taken our sons and daughters with their drugs, lewdness, wine and music?]; and thy residue shall be devoured by the fire. They shall also strip thee out of thy clothes, and take away thy fair jewels. Thus will I make thy lewdness to cease from thee, and thy whoredom...For thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I WILL DELIVER THEE INTO THE HAND OF THEM WHOM THOU HATEST, INTO THE HAND OF THEM FROM WHOM THY MIND IS ALIENATED: AND THEY SHALL DEAL WITH THEE HATEFULLY, AND SHALL TAKE AWAY ALL THY LABOUR, AND SHALL LEAVE THEE NAKED AND BARE: AND THE NAKEDNESS OF THY WHOREDOMS SHALL BE DISCOVERED, BOTH THY LEWDNESS AND THY WHOREDOMS. I WILL DO THESE THINGS UNTO THEE, BECAUSE THOU HAST GONE A WHORING AFTER THE HEATHEN, AND BECAUSE THOU ART POLLUTED WITH THEIR IDOLS. (Ezekiel 23:22-30) God has told us who these are whom He will deliver us up to: Behold, therefore I WILL DELIVER THEE TO THE MEN OF THE EAST [God is telling us He will deliver us for a time to the Jews -- they are the men from the east because the Jews who presently rule over us are Khazar Jews -- MEN FROM THE EAST!] for a possession, and they shall set their palaces in thee, and make their dwellings in thee: they shall eat thy fruit, and they shall drink thy milk. (Ezekiel 25:4) 101). The Los Lunas Decalogue Stone The Los Lunas Inscription is an abridged version of the Decalogue or Ten Commandments, carved into the flat face of a large boulder resting on the side of Hidden Mountain, near Los Lunas, New Mexico, about 35 miles south of Albuquerque. The language is Hebrew, and the script is the Old Hebrew alphabet, with a few Greek letters mixed in. See Cline (1982), Deal (1992), Stonebreaker (1982), and/or Underwood (1982) for transcriptions and translation, and Deal (1992) for discussion and photographs of the setting. God has told us who these are whom He will deliver us up to: Behold, therefore I WILL DELIVER THEE TO THE MEN OF THE EAST [God is telling us He will deliver us for a time to the Jews -- they are the men from the east because the Jews who presently rule over us are Khazar Jews -- MEN FROM THE EAST!] for a possession, and they shall set their palaces in thee, and make their dwellings in thee: they shall eat thy fruit, and they shall drink thy milk. (Ezekiel 25:4) False propaganda, to be truly effective, Has to exist in an environment in which there are no alternatives to contradict it. Otherwise, it can be seen for the lie that it is. There are three kinds of people in America: 1). Those that know what is going on; 2). Those that think they know what is going on; and 3). Those that don't have a clue as to what is going on. 5% of the people think. 10% of the people think they think. The rest would rather die than think. How long would it take a blind giant, hammering upon an anvil, to produce a watch? That's how long it would take the evolutionists to explain their stupid theory. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL
[CTRL] Totalitarianism nears
-Caveat Lector- Totalitarianism nears Without protest, Americans are giving up freedom By GLEN T. MARTIN Thursday, January 02, 2003 IN NAZI Germany at this time of year, people freely shopped in large department stores for gifts for family and friends. The streets were full of traffic. It was business as usual for most of the citizens. While in the colonial states conquered by the Nazis, and in the concentrations camps for Jews, gays and communists, life was a living nightmare of dehumanization and human-rights violations. In the United States today, people freely shop in large department stores for gifts, and the streets are full of traffic. While in our most recent victim states of Afghanistan, Iraq under murderous sanctions, Argentina after engineering its economic collapse, and Colombia under U.S. military aid for repression, life is a living nightmare of dehumanization and human-rights violations. But what once separated the United States from Nazi Germany was the protection of civil liberties for American citizens. People of Germany had no rights and did not care. Those few who did care were so terrified of their government that they did not dare to speak out. Those who did speak out were declared enemy agents and sent to concentration camps. Today, people of the United States have given up their rights through the Patriot Act, the Homeland Security Act and the Pentagon's new system of Total Information Awareness. The astonishing thing about this land of the free is that most Americans now have no effective rights and do not care. As long as they are free to shop in department stores and have traffic in the streets (with automobiles burning oil stolen from dying Iraqi children), they do not care. And to a greater degree every day, those few who do care about our liberties and rights are too terrified of our government to speak out. The so-called Patriot Act expanded our government's secret search and wiretapping powers enormously. It empowered racial profiling as a recognized police practice and allowed broad sweeps of people of Middle Eastern or Asian origin. It effectively abolished immigrants' rights, allowing noncitizens to be held in secret locations on secret evidence, without right to an attorney, for as long as the government wishes. The government now has the power to enter your home or your computer and secretly record whatever they find without ever having to notify you. They do not even have to obtain a warrant from a publicly accountable judge showing reasonable suspicion that a crime is being committed. Wisconsin Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold spoke the following words from the Senate floor on Oct. 11, 2001, when he was the only senator to vote against Attorney General John Ashcroft's USA Patriot Act: There is no doubt that if we lived in a police state, it would be easier to catch terrorists. If we lived in a country where police were allowed to search your home at any time for any reason; if we lived in a country where the government is entitled to open your mail, eavesdrop on your phone conversations, or intercept your e-mail communications; if we lived in a country where people could be held in jail indefinitely based on what they write or think, or based on mere suspicion that they are up to no good, the government would probably discover more terrorists or would-be terrorists! But that wouldn't be a country in which we would want to live. But today, it has gotten worse with the passage of the Homeland Security Act. Notice that these titles, Patriot and Homeland, sound very much like the language of the Nazis. A common slogan of the Nazi regime was the highest freedom is a noble slavery of the heart. People are free, the slogan meant, when they have enslaved their hearts to the homeland in absolute obedience to their government. Deutschland, Deckhand, uber alles! they shouted. Blind loyalty, patriotism, and emotion must triumph over liberty, reason and sound judgment. Under the U.S. Homeland Security Act (our rights again given away freely by a bipartisan Congress), 22 U.S. agencies are combined in order to achieve total information awareness on every American citizen. The government will soon be amassing a file on every American that includes every magazine subscription, credit card purchase, Web site visit, medical record, library record, bank deposit or withdrawals, every airline purchase, as well as judicial, divorce records, and so on. This will be recorded in a central data base, not by a publicly accountable authority, but by the Pentagon, which already operates in total secrecy from the American public. Government intimidation for political reasons is real and it has begun. Our government already is using its secret data bases to harass Americans. Political activists checking in at airports at the airline desk have had their names come up from a secret government list as flight risks. They and their luggage have been supersearched to the point where they are
[CTRL] Arabs, Pakistanis crowd into Canada to escape U.S. crackdown on illegals
-Caveat Lector- This is a WorldNetDaily printer-friendly version of the article which follows To view this item online, visit http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30333 Saturday, January 4, 2003 HOMELAND INSECURITY Asylum seekers dash for border Arabs, Pakistanis crowd into Canada to escape U.S. crackdown on illegals Posted: January 4, 2003 7:30 p.m. Eastern © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com Immigration officers at Canadian-U.S. border crossings have been swamped since New Year's Day by a flood of hundreds of undocumented Pakistanis and Arabs attempting to claim refugee status as the U.S. cracks down on illegal immigrants as part of its war on terrorism. The surge at crossings in Quebec, Ontario, and, to a lesser extent, British Columbia, appears to reflect mounting fear among foreigners without legal status in the United States, particularly those of Middle Eastern, South Asian, and North African origin, that they now face a greater risk of deportation from the United States. ''It's too dangerous to stay; I'm too frightened by the mood in the U.S.,'' Tariq Mohammed, 27, a Pakistani told the Boston Globe. He said he had overstayed a student visa by seven years to take a succession of jobs - the last as assistant manager of a warehouse in Rhode Island. He arrived in Montreal yesterday and hopes Canada will grant him permanent asylum. ''Until 9/11, America had a tolerance for the people who work hard. Even if [we] were technically breaking some law of immigration or legal residency, no one cared,'' he said. ''But now, I am too afraid of arrest and deportation. America is so full of hatred and vengeance toward Muslims. So I come to Canada, a more humanitarian place.'' Under the ''smart border'' agreement reached by Ottawa and Washington last month, refugee claimants who arrive at Canadian entry points from the United States will, in most cases, automatically be turned back and forced to take their chances under the stricter U.S. system. No firm date has been set for implementing the agreement, but it could take effect as early as spring. Similar dramatic increases in refugee applicants, most without passports or carrying questionable documents, occurred at crossings in Fort Erie, Ontario near Buffalo and Windsor, Ontario, just across from Detroit. The U.S. Patriot Act, passed in 2001, has given the Justice Department broad powers to detain non-citizens on national security grounds, to hold them in custody indefinitely, or deport them to their countries of origin. Other sweeping new laws and regulations require ''non-permanent'' U.S. residents from at least 20 nations in the Middle East, South Asia, and North Africa to register with federal authorities by the end of next month, provoking fears of mass deportations. Law enforcement officials in the United States and Canada confirm that as many as 19 individuals of Middle Eastern and Pakistani origin might have illegally entered the United States on Dec. 24, not just the five who this week became the focus of an international manhunt led by the FBI. The search was triggered by information gained during the breakup of a sophisticated document-forging ring in Ontario, according to law enforcement officials. The forgers appear to have provided the fake passports, false names, and photographs under which the individuals may have infiltrated the United States by way of Canada, possibly on a terror mission, although the FBI stressed that it does not know their true identities or their reasons for coming to the United States. Canada has been criticized by the United States, France, and other Western nations for generous immigration and refugee policies that have made it an easy hiding place, base of operations, and fund-raising center for international terrorists. Last month, court documents filed by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service indicated that al-Qaida operatives disguised as working immigrants are positioned in Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver, and other Canadian centers, maintaining frequent contact with similar ''sleeper cells'' in the United States. -- Outgoing mail is certified virus free Scanned by Norton AntiVirus A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at:
[CTRL] Muslim bodies urge Pakistan to close down terrorist camps
-Caveat Lector- http://www.deepikaglobal.com/ENG4_sub.asp?ccode=ENG4news code=22142 Sunday, January 5, 2003 Muslim bodies urge Pakistan to close down terrorist camps New Delhi, Jan 4 (UNI) Prominent Muslim organisations today held a demonstration in front of the Pakistan High Commission here and demanded that Islamabad close down terrorist training camps on its soil. After the demonstration, the protestors submitted a memorandum to the Pakistan high commissioner stating that these camps were being used to train people for terrorist activities in Jammu and Kashmir. so far 70,000 innocent people have lost their lives in violence sponsored from across the border, the memorandun said. The protestors also submitted a memorandum to the US Embassy, urging that America declare Pakistan a terrorist state. Among the organisations which protested were the All-India Shia- Sunni Front, the All-India Islamic Confernce and the All-India Muslim Unity Front. Copyright DeepikaGlobal.com 1997-2002. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Outgoing mail is certified virus free Scanned by Norton AntiVirus http://signaturehealthsystems.myarbonne.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] TERRORIST LEADER KILLED IN CHECHNYA
-Caveat Lector- http://www.infocentre.ru/eng_user/index.cfm?page=0date=2003- 01-05startrow=1msg_id=53867 04.01.2003 13:10 RIA Novosti TERRORIST LEADER KILLED IN CHECHNYA One of the Chechen terrorist leaders, Sabiyev, was killed in the Shalinsky district in Chechnya. Yesterday, an unknown individual opened fire against federal servicemen who were carrying out address checks in the Germenchuk settlement. The offender was shot dead in retaliatory fire, the Russian Interior Ministry reported on Saturday. The militant turned out to be an active member of separatists' gang, the so-called emir of the local jamaat, Sabiyev. Two servicemen wounded in the skirmish received medical treatment. The police found two Kalashnikov guns, a Kenwood radio station and a Makarov gun at the incident site. © 1999-2003 Russian informational centre Design Development Xanadu Studio -- Outgoing mail is certified virus free Scanned by Norton AntiVirus A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Islamist Stabs French Rabbi
-Caveat Lector- http://famulus.msnbc.com/FamulusIntl/ap01-04- 190238.asp?reg=EUROPE French rabbi got death threat before stabbing ASSOCIATED PRESS PARIS, Jan. 4 A French rabbi received a death threat vowing revenge for Palestinians just hours before he was stabbed in a Paris synagogue, his associates said Saturday. The attacker wore a motorcycle helmet and shouted ''God is great'' in Arabic before fleeing, Farhi said. Just hours earlier, the rabbi received a threatening letter vowing to ''avenge the blood of our Palestinian brothers,'' according to the Liberal Jewish Movement of France, a group founded by Farhi's father. ''Having set fire to his synagogue, we will take our revenge directly against him,'' the group cited the letter as saying. Farhi's synagogue was damaged by fire in May. ''To succumb to such pressures and blackmail would encourage extremists of all types,'' Farhi said Saturday. Anti-Jewish violence increased in France after Israeli-Palestinian fighting broke out in September 2000 and has continued to mount since the Sept. 11 terror attacks on the United States. France has both large Jewish and Muslim communities. Paris Mayor Bertrand Delanoe, himself a recent stabbing victim, denounced the attack as ''an odious aggression.'' In a statement, Delanoe said he hopes the attacker will be caught and bought to justice quickly. He expressed ''profound solidarity with Rabbi Farhi and his family'' and sympathy to the Jewish community. On Oct. 6, Delanoe underwent emergency surgery shortly after being stabbed in the abdomen at City Hall by a man who said he disliked homosexuals. © 2003 Associated Press. -- Outgoing mail is certified virus free Scanned by Norton AntiVirus http://signaturehealthsystems.myarbonne.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Footprints of Israel - 19
-Caveat Lector- Jews fought at died and paid for our freedom at valley forge. Also in the civil war, WW1, WW2, Korea and Vietnam. Bigotry and racism are NOT the American way. Take this crap to some totalitarian state where it belongs. (of course if we wait another 15 minutes, while this sort of crap spreads, we will be in a totalitarian state without moving a muscle) on 01/05/03 6:26 AM, Willie Martin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a Christian Nation. If they wish to live as Jews, then let them abide by our laws, not try and destroy them and set up their own filthy standards. When this is shown beyond a shadow of a doubt, then it lies within our rights, to defend our Christian way of life, our faith, our race, our country and our freedom, with any means that is at hand. If this means evicting the Jews from America, as has happened to them before, then that means will be taken. But through God's help, we will defend our faith, our race, and our freedom against this godless enemy and we will consider their Christian stooges in America as our enemy too. WE WILL NEVER SURRENDER! Our freedom was not bought and paid for at Valley Forge, that was only the down payment on freedom. Every generation must be willing to make payment on this account, if they are to remain free. -- -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - Calling a rationalist an a-theist is like a soccer player accusing a baseball player of not having any goal posts. NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Nuns as sexual victims get little notice
-Caveat Lector- http://stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/News/263AD85EB409B D2786256CA40076DBA4?OpenDocumentHeadline=Nuns+as+sex ual+victims+get+little+notice Nuns as sexual victims get little notice By Bill Smith Of the Post-Dispatch 01/04/2003 02:40 PM Already shaken by a yearlong sex abuse scandal involving priests and minors, the Roman Catholic Church has yet to face another critical challenge - how to help thousands of nuns who say they have been sexually victimized. A national survey, completed in 1996 but intentionally never publicized, estimates that a minimum of 34,000 Catholic nuns, or about 40 percent of all nuns in the United States, have suffered some form of sexual trauma. Some of that sexual abuse, exploitation or harassment has come at the hands of priests and other nuns in the church, the report said. The survey was conducted by researchers at St. Louis University and was paid for, in part, by several orders of Catholic nuns. The study, recently obtained by the Post-Dispatch, indicates that the victimization often has had devastating psychological effects on the women. Many of the nuns said they were left with feelings of anger, shame, anxiety and depression. Some said it made them consider leaving religious life, and a few said they had attempted suicide. These women have been the stalwarts of the church for centuries, and a significant percentage of them have been victimized as a result of the structure of the very institution to which they have dedicated their lives, said study co-author John T. Chibnall, a research psychologist and associate professor at St. Louis University. Another of the researchers, Ann Wolf, said she believes it is vital that the Catholic Church recognize the problem. The bishops appear to be only looking at the issue of child sexual abuse, but the problem is bigger than that, Wolf said. Catholic sisters are being violated, in their ministries, at work, in pastoral counseling. A spokeswoman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops said the group was unaware of the St. Louis University study on nuns and its members have not addressed the issue. Officials with local orders of nuns who participated in the study say they remain concerned but have made no changes as a result of the report. The survey is the only national scientific study dealing with the sexual victimization of nuns in the Catholic Church, according to its researchers. Despite the scope of its findings several years ago, no further studies have been done, they say. The survey also solicited comments - many of them poignant - from the nuns who were questioned. Of the more than 1,100 surveys returned to the university, several included brief, personal stories from women who said they had been targeted. One woman wrote that after a priest fondled one of her breasts during confession, she remained so upset that she did not return to confession for the next 18 years. Another wrote that as a young girl, her uncle, who also was a priest, insisted on touching holy oil to her genital area to keep me safe while dating. Later, her superiors forced her to attend religious retreats with the same uncle, she said. Still another wrote that a priest-therapist treating her for severe depression encouraged her to become involved in sexual experimentation. The woman said she later began a relationship with another nun. Several of the women said such research was long overdue. Thanks for taking the time to admit there is a problem in this area, wrote one. Best wishes. God bless. Study is kept quiet Findings of the study were published in two religious research journals in the spring and winter of 1998 but have never been reported by the mainstream press. Review for Religious, published at St. Louis University, printed a summary of the survey results in its May-June 1998 issue. Review of Religious Research, an academic journal published by the Religious Research Association, printed the full results in December of that year. Both are respected journals with limited circulations. Chibnall said researchers agreed not to prepare a press release about the findings because a national women's Catholic group, Leadership Conference of Women Religious, believed that the information would be sensationalized. It was like this: 'We don't wash our dirty laundry in public; we'll take care of it,' Chibnall said. Paul N. Duckro, the St. Louis University professor who headed the survey team, said researchers guaranteed religious communities that we would not handle this in any way that sought publicity. The two publications chosen to report the results, Duckro said, were chosen carefully to get information to the people who needed it but not out in front of everybody's eyes. But a former Catholic priest who has said he was sexually abused as a boy by three different priests said last week that he believes it is crucial to get the results of the St. Louis University survey to the public. Christopher Dixon,
Re: [CTRL] Footprints of Israel - 20 (Last One)
-Caveat Lector- Hi there Willie Martin What did you do? Dig out the master pattern of the Nazi propaganda machine and plant new facts in the pattern because it worked in the past? For what reason? To divert attention from what is really going on or because of your own simplistic thinking? We are now in the information age and not in the '30s. Any Christian who picks up your banner is a sucker who would lay the groundwork for his own destruction. Christians were to be destroyed by the Nazis after the Jews were destroyed because the numbers of the Jews were smaller. Some things about the philosophy haven't changed. New Age is the resurgence of Nazism and its tactics are much more sophisticated than your old rewiring of Nazi propaganda. Thru New Age Jews are the first targets and then the Christians. The Nazis failed in their master plan. Why use their old crap? Jews are now more aware of propaganda techniques and the more sophisticated are fighting the propaganda of New Age and fighting your simplistic thinking as a subset of the larger picture. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Nuns as sexual victims get little notice
-Caveat Lector- What's the best way to get a nun pregnant? Dress her as an altar boy. on 01/05/03 10:42 AM, klewis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- http://stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/News/263AD85EB409B D2786256CA40076DBA4?OpenDocumentHeadline=Nuns+as+sex ual+victims+get+little+notice Nuns as sexual victims get little notice By Bill Smith Of the Post-Dispatch 01/04/2003 02:40 PM Already shaken by a yearlong sex abuse scandal involving priests and minors, the Roman Catholic Church has yet to face another critical challenge - how to help thousands of nuns who say they have been sexually victimized. A national survey, completed in 1996 but intentionally never publicized, estimates that a minimum of 34,000 Catholic nuns, or about 40 percent of all nuns in the United States, have suffered some form of sexual trauma. Some of that sexual abuse, exploitation or harassment has come at the hands of priests and other nuns in the church, the report said. The survey was conducted by researchers at St. Louis University and was paid for, in part, by several orders of Catholic nuns. The study, recently obtained by the Post-Dispatch, indicates that the victimization often has had devastating psychological effects on the women. Many of the nuns said they were left with feelings of anger, shame, anxiety and depression. Some said it made them consider leaving religious life, and a few said they had attempted suicide. These women have been the stalwarts of the church for centuries, and a significant percentage of them have been victimized as a result of the structure of the very institution to which they have dedicated their lives, said study co-author John T. Chibnall, a research psychologist and associate professor at St. Louis University. Another of the researchers, Ann Wolf, said she believes it is vital that the Catholic Church recognize the problem. The bishops appear to be only looking at the issue of child sexual abuse, but the problem is bigger than that, Wolf said. Catholic sisters are being violated, in their ministries, at work, in pastoral counseling. A spokeswoman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops said the group was unaware of the St. Louis University study on nuns and its members have not addressed the issue. Officials with local orders of nuns who participated in the study say they remain concerned but have made no changes as a result of the report. The survey is the only national scientific study dealing with the sexual victimization of nuns in the Catholic Church, according to its researchers. Despite the scope of its findings several years ago, no further studies have been done, they say. The survey also solicited comments - many of them poignant - from the nuns who were questioned. Of the more than 1,100 surveys returned to the university, several included brief, personal stories from women who said they had been targeted. One woman wrote that after a priest fondled one of her breasts during confession, she remained so upset that she did not return to confession for the next 18 years. Another wrote that as a young girl, her uncle, who also was a priest, insisted on touching holy oil to her genital area to keep me safe while dating. Later, her superiors forced her to attend religious retreats with the same uncle, she said. Still another wrote that a priest-therapist treating her for severe depression encouraged her to become involved in sexual experimentation. The woman said she later began a relationship with another nun. Several of the women said such research was long overdue. Thanks for taking the time to admit there is a problem in this area, wrote one. Best wishes. God bless. Study is kept quiet Findings of the study were published in two religious research journals in the spring and winter of 1998 but have never been reported by the mainstream press. Review for Religious, published at St. Louis University, printed a summary of the survey results in its May-June 1998 issue. Review of Religious Research, an academic journal published by the Religious Research Association, printed the full results in December of that year. Both are respected journals with limited circulations. Chibnall said researchers agreed not to prepare a press release about the findings because a national women's Catholic group, Leadership Conference of Women Religious, believed that the information would be sensationalized. It was like this: 'We don't wash our dirty laundry in public; we'll take care of it,' Chibnall said. Paul N. Duckro, the St. Louis University professor who headed the survey team, said researchers guaranteed religious communities that we would not handle this in any way that sought publicity. The two publications chosen to report the results, Duckro said, were chosen carefully to get information to the people who needed it but not out in front of everybody's
Re: [CTRL] Nuns as sexual victims get little notice
-Caveat Lector- Thew, you sometimes respond like a very clever 17 year old who thinks he has the entire picture when no one else has seen what is going on. You do the Jewish community no service with your ignorant comments. Think before you write. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of thew Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 9:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Nuns as sexual victims get little notice -Caveat Lector- What's the best way to get a nun pregnant? Dress her as an altar boy. on 01/05/03 10:42 AM, klewis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- http://stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/News/263AD85EB409B D2786256CA40076DBA4?OpenDocumentHeadline=Nuns+as+sex ual+victims+get+little+notice Nuns as sexual victims get little notice By Bill Smith Of the Post-Dispatch 01/04/2003 02:40 PM Already shaken by a yearlong sex abuse scandal involving priests and minors, the Roman Catholic Church has yet to face another critical challenge - how to help thousands of nuns who say they have been sexually victimized. A national survey, completed in 1996 but intentionally never publicized, estimates that a minimum of 34,000 Catholic nuns, or about 40 percent of all nuns in the United States, have suffered some form of sexual trauma. Some of that sexual abuse, exploitation or harassment has come at the hands of priests and other nuns in the church, the report said. The survey was conducted by researchers at St. Louis University and was paid for, in part, by several orders of Catholic nuns. The study, recently obtained by the Post-Dispatch, indicates that the victimization often has had devastating psychological effects on the women. Many of the nuns said they were left with feelings of anger, shame, anxiety and depression. Some said it made them consider leaving religious life, and a few said they had attempted suicide. These women have been the stalwarts of the church for centuries, and a significant percentage of them have been victimized as a result of the structure of the very institution to which they have dedicated their lives, said study co-author John T. Chibnall, a research psychologist and associate professor at St. Louis University. Another of the researchers, Ann Wolf, said she believes it is vital that the Catholic Church recognize the problem. The bishops appear to be only looking at the issue of child sexual abuse, but the problem is bigger than that, Wolf said. Catholic sisters are being violated, in their ministries, at work, in pastoral counseling. A spokeswoman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops said the group was unaware of the St. Louis University study on nuns and its members have not addressed the issue. Officials with local orders of nuns who participated in the study say they remain concerned but have made no changes as a result of the report. The survey is the only national scientific study dealing with the sexual victimization of nuns in the Catholic Church, according to its researchers. Despite the scope of its findings several years ago, no further studies have been done, they say. The survey also solicited comments - many of them poignant - from the nuns who were questioned. Of the more than 1,100 surveys returned to the university, several included brief, personal stories from women who said they had been targeted. One woman wrote that after a priest fondled one of her breasts during confession, she remained so upset that she did not return to confession for the next 18 years. Another wrote that as a young girl, her uncle, who also was a priest, insisted on touching holy oil to her genital area to keep me safe while dating. Later, her superiors forced her to attend religious retreats with the same uncle, she said. Still another wrote that a priest-therapist treating her for severe depression encouraged her to become involved in sexual experimentation. The woman said she later began a relationship with another nun. Several of the women said such research was long overdue. Thanks for taking the time to admit there is a problem in this area, wrote one. Best wishes. God bless. Study is kept quiet Findings of the study were published in two religious research journals in the spring and winter of 1998 but have never been reported by the mainstream press. Review for Religious, published at St. Louis University, printed a summary of the survey results in its May-June 1998 issue. Review of Religious Research, an academic journal published by the Religious Research Association, printed the full results in December of that year. Both are respected journals with limited circulations. Chibnall said researchers agreed not to prepare a press release about the findings because a national women's Catholic group, Leadership Conference of Women Religious, believed that the information would be
Re: [CTRL] Nuns as sexual victims get little notice
-Caveat Lector- Funny - I feel the same way quite often when you post - like last week's the Jews will do whatever they want comment. More to the point - It's a joke son - you missed it. on 01/05/03 11:02 AM, Zuukie at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Thew, you sometimes respond like a very clever 17 year old who thinks he has the entire picture when no one else has seen what is going on. You do the Jewish community no service with your ignorant comments. Think before you write. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of thew Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 9:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Nuns as sexual victims get little notice -Caveat Lector- What's the best way to get a nun pregnant? Dress her as an altar boy. on 01/05/03 10:42 AM, klewis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- http://stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/News/263AD85EB409B D2786256CA40076DBA4?OpenDocumentHeadline=Nuns+as+sex ual+victims+get+little+notice Nuns as sexual victims get little notice By Bill Smith Of the Post-Dispatch 01/04/2003 02:40 PM Already shaken by a yearlong sex abuse scandal involving priests and minors, the Roman Catholic Church has yet to face another critical challenge - how to help thousands of nuns who say they have been sexually victimized. A national survey, completed in 1996 but intentionally never publicized, estimates that a minimum of 34,000 Catholic nuns, or about 40 percent of all nuns in the United States, have suffered some form of sexual trauma. Some of that sexual abuse, exploitation or harassment has come at the hands of priests and other nuns in the church, the report said. The survey was conducted by researchers at St. Louis University and was paid for, in part, by several orders of Catholic nuns. The study, recently obtained by the Post-Dispatch, indicates that the victimization often has had devastating psychological effects on the women. Many of the nuns said they were left with feelings of anger, shame, anxiety and depression. Some said it made them consider leaving religious life, and a few said they had attempted suicide. These women have been the stalwarts of the church for centuries, and a significant percentage of them have been victimized as a result of the structure of the very institution to which they have dedicated their lives, said study co-author John T. Chibnall, a research psychologist and associate professor at St. Louis University. Another of the researchers, Ann Wolf, said she believes it is vital that the Catholic Church recognize the problem. The bishops appear to be only looking at the issue of child sexual abuse, but the problem is bigger than that, Wolf said. Catholic sisters are being violated, in their ministries, at work, in pastoral counseling. A spokeswoman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops said the group was unaware of the St. Louis University study on nuns and its members have not addressed the issue. Officials with local orders of nuns who participated in the study say they remain concerned but have made no changes as a result of the report. The survey is the only national scientific study dealing with the sexual victimization of nuns in the Catholic Church, according to its researchers. Despite the scope of its findings several years ago, no further studies have been done, they say. The survey also solicited comments - many of them poignant - from the nuns who were questioned. Of the more than 1,100 surveys returned to the university, several included brief, personal stories from women who said they had been targeted. One woman wrote that after a priest fondled one of her breasts during confession, she remained so upset that she did not return to confession for the next 18 years. Another wrote that as a young girl, her uncle, who also was a priest, insisted on touching holy oil to her genital area to keep me safe while dating. Later, her superiors forced her to attend religious retreats with the same uncle, she said. Still another wrote that a priest-therapist treating her for severe depression encouraged her to become involved in sexual experimentation. The woman said she later began a relationship with another nun. Several of the women said such research was long overdue. Thanks for taking the time to admit there is a problem in this area, wrote one. Best wishes. God bless. Study is kept quiet Findings of the study were published in two religious research journals in the spring and winter of 1998 but have never been reported by the mainstream press. Review for Religious, published at St. Louis University, printed a summary of the survey results in its May-June 1998 issue. Review of Religious Research, an academic journal published by the Religious Research Association, printed the full results in December of that year. Both are
Re: [CTRL] Nuns as sexual victims get little notice
-Caveat Lector- Thew, This is not the time to joke. Unless you have been out of the country, you should know that the Jews are being pitted against the Christians and the Christians against the Jews at many levels. Every joke adds to the problem. The New Agers will pick up the banner of People Who Love Each Other. Both Jews and Christians who refuse to compromise their moral beliefs are being demonized, even if these beliefs are not being pushed in the political arena. The key word is moral here. In the New Age agenda, that which causes separation is considered evil. Where will you draw the line as to which moral beliefs you are willing to compromise? Don't look to the Christians. Find out what the moral beliefs of New Agers are and ask yourself if that is where you want to go, because New Age is against Jews and Christians. Your messages say you are anti-religion. Are you pro-New Age thinking? -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of thew Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 10:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Nuns as sexual victims get little notice -Caveat Lector- Funny - I feel the same way quite often when you post - like last week's the Jews will do whatever they want comment. More to the point - It's a joke son - you missed it. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Nuns as sexual victims get little notice
-Caveat Lector- Guess what I AM anti-religion. Get a grip. BTW - laughter - the ability to find humor, even in the darkest of days is the highest of human virtues. Embrace the cosmic goof. on 01/05/03 11:40 AM, Zuukie at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Thew, This is not the time to joke. Unless you have been out of the country, you should know that the Jews are being pitted against the Christians and the Christians against the Jews at many levels. Every joke adds to the problem. The New Agers will pick up the banner of People Who Love Each Other. Both Jews and Christians who refuse to compromise their moral beliefs are being demonized, even if these beliefs are not being pushed in the political arena. The key word is moral here. In the New Age agenda, that which causes separation is considered evil. Where will you draw the line as to which moral beliefs you are willing to compromise? Don't look to the Christians. Find out what the moral beliefs of New Agers are and ask yourself if that is where you want to go, because New Age is against Jews and Christians. Your messages say you are anti-religion. Are you pro-New Age thinking? -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of thew Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 10:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Nuns as sexual victims get little notice -Caveat Lector- Funny - I feel the same way quite often when you post - like last week's the Jews will do whatever they want comment. More to the point - It's a joke son - you missed it. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om - -- --- - You should view the world as a conspiracy run by a very closely-knit group of nearly omnipotent people, and you should think of those people as yourself and your friends. --Robert Anton Wilson NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Nuns as sexual victims get little notice
-Caveat Lector- I don't find laughter where the future of Jews and Judaism are concerned. I know you are anti-religion; that is obvious. Where do you stand with regard to morality? Since you are presenting yourself as a defender of Jews and since Judaism and Jews cannot be separated, what do you stand for, not just what you stand against? I ask the same of Christians who read this: What do you stand for and not just what you stand against? New Age thinking has infiltrated Jewish and Christian thinking on organizational and individual levels. Christians attack New Age thinking in Judaism. Jews attack New Age thinking in Christianity. Very few know what New Age thinking is. Do we have to wait 30 years before academics look back to see what is occurring now? -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of thew Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 10:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Nuns as sexual victims get little notice -Caveat Lector- Guess what I AM anti-religion. Get a grip. BTW - laughter - the ability to find humor, even in the darkest of days is the highest of human virtues. Embrace the cosmic goof. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Nuns as sexual victims get little notice
-Caveat Lector- That inability to separate Jews, the ethnicity, from Judaism, the religion, is what will kill us off in the long run. It is the inability , of both Jews and non-Jews to distinguish between the 2 that has been the greatest cause of harm, through misunderstanding, to Jews world-wide. Morality is only morality when it comes from within, not because it is mandated by some external threat, whether that threat is the punishment by god or man. I have a very strong sense of morality, a sense of outrage at the mistreatment of humans at the hands of other humans. A sense of outrage informed by the mores of Jewish culture. I stand for freedom of thought and action, guided by compassion. The big questions (all of which really boil down to one question - what does it mean to be a human?) need to be answered, and sticking to 1 year old metaphors holds back the entire species from moving on and seeking newer, better, and more complete answers. It is time to shed the fairy tales of childhood, and move on. Quite frankly your initial sentence is extremely Un-Jewish. The Jewish response to tragedy and oppression has always been humor. (dear god - for just a little while can't you choose some one else) Can you define this new age phrase for me? I can't quite get a handle on what you mean, and thus cannot respond to it. If by new age you mean unfettered by ancient metaphors that no longer jibe with our understanding of how the universe works - I am all for it. If you just mean substituting the majority culture's nonsense with other nonsense, leave me out of it. on 01/05/03 12:16 PM, Zuukie at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- I don't find laughter where the future of Jews and Judaism are concerned. I know you are anti-religion; that is obvious. Where do you stand with regard to morality? Since you are presenting yourself as a defender of Jews and since Judaism and Jews cannot be separated, what do you stand for, not just what you stand against? I ask the same of Christians who read this: What do you stand for and not just what you stand against? New Age thinking has infiltrated Jewish and Christian thinking on organizational and individual levels. Christians attack New Age thinking in Judaism. Jews attack New Age thinking in Christianity. Very few know what New Age thinking is. Do we have to wait 30 years before academics look back to see what is occurring now? -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - Never wear your best trousers when you go out to fight for freedom and truth. Henrik Ibsen NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] videotaped priest, nun abuse, nsa info, dna police dragnets
-Caveat Lector- this may be heavy for survivors Videotape shows priest in northern Mexico having sex with his secretary 1/4/03 Mexico City (AP) - "Roman Catholic officials are calling for the dismissal of a priest in northern Chihuahua state after a newspaper published excerpts of a videotape showing him having sex with his secretary. A front-page story in Friday's Diario de Chihuahua reported that a 3-year-old tape turned over to reporters by a committee of concerned citizens shows Salomon Palma, a priest in Ciudad de Cuauhtemoc, having sex with his secretary, a woman more than 30 years younger than he is." http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2003/01/04/international1345EST6146.DTL Nuns as sexual victims get little notice - 01/04/03 "Already shaken by a yearlong sex abuse scandal involving priests and minors, the Roman Catholic Church has yet to face another critical challenge - how to help thousands of nuns who say they have been sexually victimized. A national survey, completed in 1996 but intentionally never publicized, estimates that a "minimum" of 34,000 Catholic nuns, or about 40 percent of all nuns in the United States, have suffered some form of sexual trauma. Some of that sexual abuse, exploitation or harassment has come at the hands of priests and other nuns in the church, the report said. The survey was conducted by researchers at St. Louis University and was paid for, in part, by several orders of Catholic nuns." http://stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/News/263AD85EB409BD2786256CA40076DBA4?OpenDocumentHeadline=Nuns+as+sexual+victims+get+little+notice Covert Operations of the U.S. National Security Agency - "John St. Clair Akwei vs. National Security Agency, Fort George G. Meade, MD., USA (Civil Action #92-0449). Evidence from the lawsuit filed at the U.S. Courthouse in Washington, D.C. as to the NSA's structure, national security activities, proprietary technologies and covert operations to monitor individual persons globally. This lawsuit brief was printed in its entirety in NEXUS MAGAZINE, April-May 1996." http://www.brazilboycott.org/BrazilByct/covert.html http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/04/national/04DNA.html?ex=1042749771ei=1en=cefc038f5e6a63b3 Police Dragnets for DNA Tests Draw Criticism By DAVID M. HALBFINGER BATON ROUGE, La., Jan. 3 â Recently, the police asked Shannon F. Kohler if they could swab the inside of his mouth to analyze his DNA. It was a request they made of 800 men in southern Louisiana as they searched for the serial killer who has slain four young women, leaving behind genetic material in each case. It was his choice, Mr. Kohler said the officers told him, but if he refused, they would get a court order and that would get in the newspapers and then everyone would know he was not cooperating. The approach was heavy-handed and foolish, he said, especially since he has feet much bigger than the prints left by the killer and had phone bills that show he was at home when the murders took place. A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Nuns as sexual victims get little notice
-Caveat Lector- You state the inability to separate Jews from religious Judaism will kill us off. You say that morality comes from within. Then if morality comes from within, one cannot depend on what the morality of any individual is. This is the basis of anti-Semitism, where the morality of Jews is categorized as evil. The theory is the predominant idea. What Thew's view of morality are is just a blip. What antisemites say is the morality of 99.9% of the Jews is will hold in the face of what you say your personal morality is. In opposition I say that the Jews hold to the morality of Judaism and that you are outside of the definition of the morality of the community. I see no written idea of what you think is the morality of the secular Jewish community. Morality is the basis of community. When we look to our fellow man, we need to know what they believe in for our response. Granted that not everyone who professes to a morality follows it. New Age morality is based on the idea of what is good for the community rather than on respect for the individual. Jews were killed off during the Holocaust because of what the Nazis believed was the good of the larger community. The entire abortion, euthanasia, ecology, individual rights arguments are based on whose interests are more important, the individual or the community. You need to show how you think the morality of the community you espouse will help the individual who disagrees with what you believe. Can you show how your idea of community morality will allow fundamentalist Judaism and Christianity to continue and still allow for community morality? I can't see how it will be done under New Age thinking where that which causes separation is considered evil. ---Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of thew Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 11:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Nuns as sexual victims get little notice -Caveat Lector- That inability to separate Jews, the ethnicity, from Judaism, the religion, is what will kill us off in the long run. It is the inability , of both Jews and non-Jews to distinguish between the 2 that has been the greatest cause of harm, through misunderstanding, to Jews world-wide. Morality is only morality when it comes from within, not because it is mandated by some external threat, whether that threat is the punishment by god or man. I have a very strong sense of morality, a sense of outrage at the mistreatment of humans at the hands of other humans. A sense of outrage informed by the mores of Jewish culture. I stand for freedom of thought and action, guided by compassion. The big questions (all of which really boil down to one question - what does it mean to be a human?) need to be answered, and sticking to 1 year old metaphors holds back the entire species from moving on and seeking newer, better, and more complete answers. It is time to shed the fairy tales of childhood, and move on. Quite frankly your initial sentence is extremely Un-Jewish. The Jewish response to tragedy and oppression has always been humor. (dear god - for just a little while can't you choose some one else) Can you define this new age phrase for me? I can't quite get a handle on what you mean, and thus cannot respond to it. If by new age you mean unfettered by ancient metaphors that no longer jibe with our understanding of how the universe works - I am all for it. If you just mean substituting the majority culture's nonsense with other nonsense, leave me out of it. on 01/05/03 12:16 PM, Zuukie at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- I don't find laughter where the future of Jews and Judaism are concerned. I know you are anti-religion; that is obvious. Where do you stand with regard to morality? Since you are presenting yourself as a defender of Jews and since Judaism and Jews cannot be separated, what do you stand for, not just what you stand against? I ask the same of Christians who read this: What do you stand for and not just what you stand against? New Age thinking has infiltrated Jewish and Christian thinking on organizational and individual levels. Christians attack New Age thinking in Judaism. Jews attack New Age thinking in Christianity. Very few know what New Age thinking is. Do we have to wait 30 years before academics look back to see what is occurring now? -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - Never wear your best trousers when you go out to fight for freedom and truth. Henrik Ibsen NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and
Re: [CTRL] Nuns as sexual victims get little notice
-Caveat Lector- Do you not see your own contradiction here? Here let me make it explicit: Morality is the basis of community. And New Age morality is based on the idea of what is good for the community rather than on respect for the individual My community is somewhat larger than yours I guess - it is not limited by ethnicity or creed. It is not the community of secular Judaism, nor the community of Judaism. It is the community of humanity. My response to another is not based on a need to know what they believe in - my response is based on what I believe in REGARDLESS of their beliefs. While I don't think it is particularly healthy for the species for either fundamentalist Judaism or Christianity to continue, I will fight to the death the right of individuals to HOLD those beliefs. Your mind is your own. As I understand what it means to be a good Jew is to repair the shattered unity of the universe, or in less esoteric terms, to behave in a manner that increases the overall good and weal of the universe and the individuals in it. Behavior not belief defines a good Jew. It also defines a good human being. As to depending on the morality of others - well that will always fall short on depending on the morality of one's self. The key question is how to balance the need for the good of the community against the need to enhance the freedom of the individual. It is a difficult line to walk, especially because it is shifting constantly. Not only constantly, but at an ever increasing rate. That is why we cannot rely solely on some 5000 year old book and 1 year old metaphors to define what is or is not moral. on 01/05/03 1:29 PM, Zuukie at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You state the inability to separate Jews from religious Judaism will kill us off. You say that morality comes from within. Then if morality comes from within, one cannot depend on what the morality of any individual is. This is the basis of anti-Semitism, where the morality of Jews is categorized as evil. The theory is the predominant idea. What Thew's view of morality are is just a blip. What antisemites say is the morality of 99.9% of the Jews is will hold in the face of what you say your personal morality is. In opposition I say that the Jews hold to the morality of Judaism and that you are outside of the definition of the morality of the community. I see no written idea of what you think is the morality of the secular Jewish community. Morality is the basis of community. When we look to our fellow man, we need to know what they believe in for our response. Granted that not everyone who professes to a morality follows it. New Age morality is based on the idea of what is good for the community rather than on respect for the individual. Jews were killed off during the Holocaust because of what the Nazis believed was the good of the larger community. The entire abortion, euthanasia, ecology, individual rights arguments are based on whose interests are more important, the individual or the community. You need to show how you think the morality of the community you espouse will help the individual who disagrees with what you believe. Can you show how your idea of community morality will allow fundamentalist Judaism and Christianity to continue and still allow for community morality? I can't see how it will be done under New Age thinking where that which causes separation is considered evil. -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding. Justice Louis D. Brandeis NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A
[CTRL] Bus riding and shopping oppressors get what they deserve
Title: Bus riding and shopping oppressors get what they deserve -Caveat Lector- January 5, 2003 Suicide Bombers Hit Tel Aviv, Killing at Least 15 By REUTERS Filed at 12:43 p.m. ET TEL AVIV (Reuters) - At least 15 people were killed and dozens wounded in Israel in two explosions apparently set off by suicide bombers in a crowded area of central Tel Aviv on Sunday, Israeli emergency services said. It was the first such attack in about six weeks in Israel and came ahead of a Jan. 28 general election for a new prime minister, at a time when security is key to many Israelis more than two years into a Palestinian uprising for statehood. The emergency services said more than 50 people were wounded, half of them lightly but nine were in serious condition. ``Two explosions happened in parallel streets ... it's a place where there are many foreign workers,'' Yossi Sedbon, Tel Aviv police chief, told Israeli army radio. ``To my sorrow there are deaths,'' he said. ``It seems according to evidence in the area that we are talking of two suicide bombers.'' Alon Oz, an eyewitness, told Army radio: ``I heard the explosion, I felt the shockwave. I realized there would be many casualties. We looked for people who were breathing. I called over to them. I counted quite a few seriously wounded. People were lying there.'' People were sprawled on the streets. Some appeared to be dead, while others were nursing wounds to arms and legs. Witnesses said there was extensive destruction of nearby buildings and even some people inside houses and shops were among the wounded. The last suicide attack was on November 21, when a Palestinian suicide bomber blew himself up and killed 11 people on a bus in the Jerusalem suburb of Kiryat Menahem. Sunday's blasts occurred in quick succession near the old Tel Aviv bus station and a nearby pedestrian mall in the coastal city. Hundreds of people were in the area when the explosions took place. Copyright 2003 Reuters Ltd. | Privacy Policy -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands of those who feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you. Samuel Adams NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Pope to meet with Templar descendants in Spain
-Caveat Lector- http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2FB158F2 ~~Captain Sir Basil H. Liddell Hart, 1944: "The real target in war is the mind of the enemy command, not the bodies of his troops. If we operate against his troops it is fundamentally for the effect that action will produce on the mind and will of the commander; indeed, the trend of warfare and the development of new weapons aircraft and tanks promise to give us increased and more direct opportunities of striking at this psychological target."Psy-Op Quoteshttp://makeashorterlink.com/?L110227F2Do you Yahoo!? A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
Re: [CTRL] Pope to meet with Templar descendants in Spain
-Caveat Lector- Time for ROBOPOPE, I say. POC (LEZ) * http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens ** On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Jay Lowry wrote: -Caveat Lector- http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2FB158F2 ~~ Captain Sir Basil H. Liddell Hart, 1944: The real target in war is the mind of the enemy command, not the bodies of his troops. If we operate against his troops it is fundamentally for the effect that action will produce on the mind and will of the commander; indeed, the trend of warfare and the development of new weapons aircraft and tanks promise to give us increased and more direct opportunities of striking at this psychological target. Psy-Op Quotes http://makeashorterlink.com/?L110227F2 - Do you Yahoo!? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Robopope, Vatican Heads, Raelians
-Caveat Lector- Subject: [LOGES-DE-CORBEAUX] Will Robo Sapiens Become the Dominant Species Over Homo Sapiens? -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 10:47:39 -0800 (PST) From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [INGRAM] INGRAM NOW? On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, arthurtopham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following quote from I. Asimov: I have faith and belief [in?] myself. I believe that the universe is comprehensible within the bounds of natural law and that the human brain can discover those natural laws and comprehend the universe. That was an insightful insert. Yes, Asimov was stating ultimate belief in the human ego, in particular his own. Vanity of vanity; all is vanity. Rev. Kev can tell us chapter and verse. He can also tell us the bottom line of that Book (Ecc.) which is serve God. All of CT (Christianity Today) pays lip service to that conclusion. Ask the Biblethumpers of NOW TV to tell us what a complete society/culture/nation/whatever would be like if it were in service to God. Ask the Christian Heritage Party which flies the banner of the Canadian Constitution, ie Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and they flee like cockroaches when the light is turned on. So CT stands for Christianity Today or Cockroaches Today (take your pick). But when fund raising time comes you can bet your boots that the CT's of CHP on the Surrey School Board will be telling everyone that a Godly and Biblical Society is what they have gallantly stood for. However, the Supreme CT of CHP, Ron Gray, emailed on August 25/02 to say, We cannot know what a biblical society would be like. See what I mean about CT? Doug Kooy, Poobah of NOW TV chided me for being too critical and this Supreme CT who plays mind games aplenty said, I also do not play mind games (Oct 8/02). Critical? Hmmm? How does hell reckon into that, hell being mentioned twice as often as heaven in the Gospels. Hell is a very critical place. And the Book of Revelation tells us that liars and cowards have no place in heaven. But St. John was too critical, right Doug? So that is why I would like to see Ingram interviewing on NOW TV. Some good, honest interviewing on how one's ideologies/beliefs/religion/faith/whatever fits into public life and practice for various public figures. Ingram hasn't mentioned it of course but does anyone want to second my proposal and I will pass it on to the powers that be in NOW TV? Hey, maybe I can be the first guest on INGRAM-NOW. I would like to talk about Hell and CT, Robopope and all sorts of other politically correct good stuff. -Asimov, Counting the Eons, 1983, page 10. FWP (St Automatos) Here, St. Automatos is a point where we intersect. We both want to substitute mindless programs for mindless preaching and CT teaching? Or does the evolving new species, robo sapiens, have a destiny to be a higher consciousness than homo sapiens? I'd like to have my INGRAM NOW interview preceded by a 2 minute rock video clip called Points of Authority by Lincoln Park. Anybody see it? It BLASTS the senses with the sights and sounds of a future in which robo sapiens is the dominant species and homo sapiens are kept around as heads on life support systems. Sort of pets for the robots. Far fetched? Not at all. The surgeon-researcher Dr. White commented in Scientific American that his experiments on life support for detached monkey heads was proceeding well and he expected to be successful with homo saps monkey heads in a decade. That article is now several years old. BTW, I also read a Vatican ethics commentary on the work of Dr. White and while the Vaticanites object to Raelian cloning, they do not object to monkey brains on a stick...perhaps they see this as their own future. I know that this is possible and in point of fact the ONLY way in which humans will ever get to the bottom of their ontological quest for knowledge and certainty. Belief I'm not big on as that's the domain of the woolies who love to believe whatever their priests tell them and give of their fleece willingly all the while believing that they are going to some place really good in the end. Well, this is kind of semantics. Call it belief, ideology, religion, whatever. Whatever...robots can do it better. They will flawlessly spew the pious platitudes, metaphysical mumbo jumbo, lame liturgy and canned catechism we find on Now TV, now. Time to bring in INGRAM, stage left, I say! Second the motion? What marks Buddhism as different from mainstream religions is that it doesn't recognize a God or Gods and that ultimately its very basis or foundation rests on pure materialism and the knowledge that the physical universe (infinite and eternal) is the only REALITY IMHO this is debatable but Mr.
[CTRL] This One Won't Hunt
-Caveat Lector- Madonna reportedly fed up with English way of life January 6 2003 US pop star Madonna, who ascended into Britain's high society with her marriage to film director Guy Ritchie, said she is fed up with everything that is English, according to a British press report. The 44-year-old vegetarian and yoga convert, thinks hunting game and deer is barbaric, and so much so, that she will no longer tolerate 34-year-old husband Guy's involvement in the sport at their home in Wiltshire, south-west England. The deeper problem however, according to the Daily Mail, is that Madonna's love affair with the English way of life is coming to an end. She hates the weather, the people, and above all hunting, the report said, and besides, Guy's hunting parties with his friends are too buddyish for her. Madonna, who was enthusiastic at first, fitted herself out from head-to-toe in traditional tweeds, a hunting cap and rubber boots but later told her husband why he should retreat from the sport. Her decision was made on the basis of protecting the souls of the poor birds who were being shot. But according to the Mail, Madonna only came to this realisation after her own shooting abilities proved to be a total flop. DPA This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/01/05/1041566307302.html A:E:R ~~~ Forwarded as information only; everything sent has to stand on its own merits, not on my recommendation. Dissenting ideas are the health of the American system. A:E:R + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe simply because it has been handed down for many generations. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is written in Holy Scriptures. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of Teachers, elders or wise men. Believe only after careful observation and analysis, when you find that it agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all. Then accept it and live up to it. The Buddha on Belief, from the Kalama Sutta + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + War is the health of the state. It automatically sets in motion throughout society these irresistible forces for uniformity, for passionate cooperation with the government in coercing into obedience the minority groups and individuals which lack the larger herd sense. RANDOLPH BOURNE (1886-1918) in War and the Intellectuals + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. --- Ernest Hemingway A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] This One Won't Hunt
-Caveat Lector- Does this mean she's coming back? Madonna reportedly fed up with English way of life January 6 2003 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Population Control
-Caveat Lector- Mouse testicles hot seller for reported infertility cure January 6 2003 Mouse testicles have become a hot seller in Taiwan after five infertile couples conceived successfully by eating dishes containing the sperm-producing organs. The craze took hold after a bulldozer driver in the southern county of Pingtung, identified as Hsueh Ting-fu, and his wife conceived their long-awaited baby about a month ago, the United Daily News said. The couple had previously consulted western medical doctors but were not given the cause of their infertility, the paper said. Hsueh and his wife first learned that the mouse testicles were helpful to fertility two months ago when they were taken by a friend to a local restaurant to taste a dish made from the organs. They then bought six kg of raw mouse testicles (which seems an awful lot of mice) at the restaurant, which had become part of their daily meals for more than a month until the wife was diagnosed as pregnant, it said. Restaurant owner Lin Chia-ho told the paper that Hsueh and his wife had shared their experience with a number of infertile couples, and four other women had conceived so far. Lin said mouse testicles were now in short supply in his restaurant, with some orders placed from the neighbouring Tainan County. Taiwanese believe the animal organs they eat will strengthen functions of the same organs in their own bodies. But gynaecologist Chen Chung-jen was sceptical of the curing effect of the mouse testicles, advising infertile couples to seek medical help before trying folk methods not scientifically proved. AFP A:E:R ~~~ Forwarded as information only; everything sent has to stand on its own merits, not on my recommendation. Dissenting ideas are the health of the American system. A:E:R + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe simply because it has been handed down for many generations. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is written in Holy Scriptures. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of Teachers, elders or wise men. Believe only after careful observation and analysis, when you find that it agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all. Then accept it and live up to it. The Buddha on Belief, from the Kalama Sutta + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + War is the health of the state. It automatically sets in motion throughout society these irresistible forces for uniformity, for passionate cooperation with the government in coercing into obedience the minority groups and individuals which lack the larger herd sense. RANDOLPH BOURNE (1886-1918) in War and the Intellectuals + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. --- Ernest Hemingway This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/01/05/1041566310611.html A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] This One Won't Hunt
-Caveat Lector- On 5 Jan 2003 at 14:36, Bill Kalivas wrote: Does this mean she's coming back? As in making a come-back? A:E:R A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Chemtrails
-Caveat Lector- This is an animated gif from the Naval Research Laboratory site with graphic proof of chemtrails being laid off the coast of California last night. Now the skeptics cannot say that they have never seen a chemtrail. This is a 3.3M file so it takes a while to download. Note the huge billowing chemtrails that do not dissipate for many hours: http://www.anomalous-images.com/temp/chemtrails_010503.gif Steve If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator. -GW Bush during a photo-op with Congressional leaders on 12/18/2000. As broadcast on CNN and available in transcript on their website http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0012/18/nd.01.html Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] This One Won't Hunt
-Caveat Lector- No, coming back to the States. -Caveat Lector- On 5 Jan 2003 at 14:36, Bill Kalivas wrote: Does this mean she's coming back? As in making a come-back? A:E:R A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] This One Won't Hunt
-Caveat Lector- She has a mansion just down the road here in Dorset she is selling it because she cant cope with people tramping up and down the lanes at the back of it.Why is it that as soon as someone becomes famous they start acting like the hoi polloi. The Mermaid - Original Message - From: Euphorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 8:29 PM Subject: [CTRL] This One Won't Hunt -Caveat Lector- Madonna reportedly fed up with English way of life January 6 2003 US pop star Madonna, who ascended into Britain's high society with her marriage to film director Guy Ritchie, said she is fed up with everything that is English, according to a British press report. The 44-year-old vegetarian and yoga convert, thinks hunting game and deer is barbaric, and so much so, that she will no longer tolerate 34-year-old husband Guy's involvement in the sport at their home in Wiltshire, south-west England. The deeper problem however, according to the Daily Mail, is that Madonna's love affair with the English way of life is coming to an end. She hates the weather, the people, and above all hunting, the report said, and besides, Guy's hunting parties with his friends are too buddyish for her. Madonna, who was enthusiastic at first, fitted herself out from head-to-toe in traditional tweeds, a hunting cap and rubber boots but later told her husband why he should retreat from the sport. Her decision was made on the basis of protecting the souls of the poor birds who were being shot. But according to the Mail, Madonna only came to this realisation after her own shooting abilities proved to be a total flop. DPA This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/01/05/1041566307302.html A:E:R ~~~ Forwarded as information only; everything sent has to stand on its own merits, not on my recommendation. Dissenting ideas are the health of the American system. A:E:R + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe simply because it has been handed down for many generations. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is written in Holy Scriptures. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of Teachers, elders or wise men. Believe only after careful observation and analysis, when you find that it agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all. Then accept it and live up to it. The Buddha on Belief, from the Kalama Sutta + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + War is the health of the state. It automatically sets in motion throughout society these irresistible forces for uniformity, for passionate cooperation with the government in coercing into obedience the minority groups and individuals which lack the larger herd sense. RANDOLPH BOURNE (1886-1918) in War and the Intellectuals + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. --- Ernest Hemingway A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A
[CTRL] Bahrain committee investigates 'planned' riots
-Caveat Lector- http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/breaking_7.htmlBahrain committee investigates 'planned' riotsSPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COMFriday, January 3, 2003ABU DHABI Bahrain's newly-elected parliament has appointeda committee to investigate New Year riots in Manama in which upto 2,000 young men attacked foreigners in the entertainmentdistrict of the capital.Officials said the riots were planned and those accused of helpingorganize them include Saudi nationals. Officials said 45 people werearrested and four of them have been released."What happened was deliberately aimed at causing chaos and harmto the security and stability which the country enjoys," BahrainiInterior Minister Mohammed Bin Khalifa Al Khalifa said on Thursday."They were aiming to corrupt and distort the historic achievementsof the kingdom."The panel will also oversee the kingdom's military and defenseestablishment, Middle East Newsline reported.Parliamentarians elected Ahmed Bahzad as chairman of the newForeign Affairs, Defense and National Economy Committee. Thepanel is meant to oversee such bodies as the military, DefenseMinistry and Foreign Ministry.The committee will also have a vice chairman. He was identified asMohammed Al Abbas.Arab diplomatic sources said they do not expect the newparliamentary committee to have much influence on Bahrain'sdefense policy, including the significant U.S. military presence. Thesources said defense and military issues will remain the exclusivedomain of King Hamad Bin Jassem Bin Jabber Al Thani.Members of the Foreign Affairs, Defense and National EconomyCommittee were not elected. Instead, they were appointed by apanel that consisted of the speaker of parliament, his two deputiesand the general secretary.Members of five other committees were also appointed by thepanel.Last year, Bahrain elected its first parliament in nearly 30 years.Many of the deputies have appeared uncertain over the powers andprocedures of the institution.The 40-member parliament is composed entirely of males. Islamicfundamentalist movements dominate the body.--~~"The company was working on the developement of remote control aircraftand on Sept 6th I recieved word that some of my people may have beenreleased from China to work on a change over of ATC Radar. I was told theyhad been contacted to be in a work detail in the WTC which was beingrenovated." http://makeashorterlink.com/?P271149F2Do you Yahoo!? A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
[CTRL] Airborne Holographic Projector
-Caveat Lector- http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume4/chap03/b5_6.htm 5.6 Airborne Holographic Projector Brief Description The holographic projector displays a three-dimensional visual image in a desired location, removed from the display generator. The projector can be used for psychological operations and strategic perception management. It is also useful for optical deception and cloaking, providing a momentary distraction when engaging an unsophisticated adversary. Capabilities Precision projection of 3-D visual images into a selected area Supports PSYOP and strategic deception management Provides deception and cloaking against optical sensors Enabling Technologies (MCTL) 4.1.4, Image Processing (holographic displays) 10.1, Lasers 10.2, Optics 10.3, Power Systems ~~"The company was working on the developement of remote control aircraftand on Sept 6th I recieved word that some of my people may have beenreleased from China to work on a change over of ATC Radar. I was told theyhad been contacted to be in a work detail in the WTC which was beingrenovated." http://makeashorterlink.com/?P271149F2Do you Yahoo!? A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
Re: [CTRL] This One Won't Hunt
-Caveat Lector- Just so you know The hoi polloi means the common people, not the upper class. on 01/05/03 5:10 PM, Mermaid at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- She has a mansion just down the road here in Dorset she is selling it because she cant cope with people tramping up and down the lanes at the back of it.Why is it that as soon as someone becomes famous they start acting like the hoi polloi. The Mermaid - Original Message - From: Euphorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 8:29 PM Subject: [CTRL] This One Won't Hunt -Caveat Lector- Madonna reportedly fed up with English way of life January 6 2003 US pop star Madonna, who ascended into Britain's high society with her marriage to film director Guy Ritchie, said she is fed up with everything that is English, according to a British press report. The 44-year-old vegetarian and yoga convert, thinks hunting game and deer is barbaric, and so much so, that she will no longer tolerate 34-year-old husband Guy's involvement in the sport at their home in Wiltshire, south-west England. The deeper problem however, according to the Daily Mail, is that Madonna's love affair with the English way of life is coming to an end. She hates the weather, the people, and above all hunting, the report said, and besides, Guy's hunting parties with his friends are too buddyish for her. Madonna, who was enthusiastic at first, fitted herself out from head-to-toe in traditional tweeds, a hunting cap and rubber boots but later told her husband why he should retreat from the sport. Her decision was made on the basis of protecting the souls of the poor birds who were being shot. But according to the Mail, Madonna only came to this realisation after her own shooting abilities proved to be a total flop. DPA This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/01/05/1041566307302.html A:E:R ~~~ Forwarded as information only; everything sent has to stand on its own merits, not on my recommendation. Dissenting ideas are the health of the American system. A:E:R + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe simply because it has been handed down for many generations. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is written in Holy Scriptures. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of Teachers, elders or wise men. Believe only after careful observation and analysis, when you find that it agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all. Then accept it and live up to it. The Buddha on Belief, from the Kalama Sutta + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + War is the health of the state. It automatically sets in motion throughout society these irresistible forces for uniformity, for passionate cooperation with the government in coercing into obedience the minority groups and individuals which lack the larger herd sense. RANDOLPH BOURNE (1886-1918) in War and the Intellectuals + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. --- Ernest Hemingway A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL]
[CTRL] Undercover war begins as US forces enter Iraq
-Caveat Lector- Even as President Bush reiterated on Friday that it is not too late to avert war if Saddam Hussein fully complies with the weapons inspections by the United Nations, military analysts say that the bombing, almost daily, by US jets over the mandated no-fly zone, coupled with Special Forces and CIA officers operating inside Iraq, means that a quiet, barely noticed fight has been unfolding. http://makeashorterlink.com/?A214329F2 Mitre Corp., Offutt AFB, September 11, DARPA, Global Hawk, and Wetwarehttp://makeashorterlink.com/?W291259F2 WTC, Buffet, China, Offut AFB, L-3 , MONTAUK, BMI and the CIAhttp://makeashorterlink.com/?P271149F2Do you Yahoo!? A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
[CTRL] A Conversation with Robert Anton Wilson
-Caveat Lector- Freud had racial memory, Jung had the collective unconscious, Leary has the neurogenetic circuit, but there's no way any of it can work mechanically, and that's why biologists reject it. The only way it can work is with Sheldrake's non-local morpho-genetic field, which, if it exists, would let me send signals that will be able to effect the genes of future generations, and not just those directly descended from me. I can control the direction of evolution through thought forms I'm putting out, and so can everybody else. http://makeashorterlink.com/?J164219F2 Mitre Corp., Offutt AFB, September 11, DARPA, Global Hawk, and Wetwarehttp://makeashorterlink.com/?W291259F2 WTC, Buffet, China, Offut AFB, L-3 , MONTAUK, BMI and the CIAhttp://makeashorterlink.com/?P271149F2Do you Yahoo!? A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
Re: [CTRL] A Conversation with Robert Anton Wilson
Title: Re: [CTRL] A Conversation with Robert Anton Wilson -Caveat Lector- Unfortunately Bob is kind of sick these days I hope he survives a while we need more like him. He used to visit NY quite a bit, and it was always fun to see him and party together alas those days seem to be over. Just read his latest book like always worth checking out. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1561841692/qid=1041809362/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/102-3288819-7428906 TSOG: the thing that ate the constitution. on 01/05/03 6:04 PM, Jay Lowry at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Freud had racial memory, Jung had the collective unconscious, Leary has the neurogenetic circuit, but there's no way any of it can work mechanically, and that's why biologists reject it. The only way it can work is with Sheldrake's non-local morpho-genetic field, which, if it exists, would let me send signals that will be able to effect the genes of future generations, and not just those directly descended from me. I can control the direction of evolution through thought forms I'm putting out, and so can everybody else. http://makeashorterlink.com/?J164219F2 Mitre Corp., Offutt AFB, September 11, DARPA, Global Hawk, and Wetware http://makeashorterlink.com/?W291259F2 WTC, Buffet, China, Offut AFB, L-3 , MONTAUK, BMI and the CIA http://makeashorterlink.com/?P271149F2 Do you Yahoo!? A HREF="" DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="" of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="" To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Yahoo! Mail Plus http://rd.yahoo.com/mail/mailsig/*http://mailplus.yahoo.com - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now http://rd.yahoo.com/mail/mailsig/*http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- - --- - --- --- Complete liberty of contradicting our opinion is the very condition which justifies us in assuming its truth. John Stuart Mill NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: So, you live in a police state!
-Caveat Lector- So, you live in a police state! http://www.comedycentral.com/player/mediaplayer.jhtml?reposid=45205256player=realplayerquality=lowtype=v A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [celtic_league] Digest Number 296
-Caveat Lector- On 5 Jan 2003 at 9:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 18:09:26 + From: J B Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OATHS AND HONOURS CELTIC LEAGUE PRESS INFORMATION OATHS AND HONOURS Calls in Wales and Mann to end sycophantic oath of allegiance to the Crown. N. Ireland has already consigned it to the dustbin of history The contentious issue of oaths of allegiances and the Honours system provoked controversy in various parts of the Celtic world over the festive period. In Mann the leader of the Manx Nationalist Party, Mec Vannin, issued a stinging denunciation of the honours system after it was revealed that a former Chief Secretary to the Manx government had received the OBE. Mark Kermode, Chairman of Mec Vannin, also used the opportunity provided by the annual Illiam Dhone commemoration (at which nationalists remember the matyrdom of a 17th century hero) to question the political morality of requiring those wishing to stand for the Manx parliament to have to swear an oath of allegiance if elected and also the requirement to declare your nationality as British on electoral nomination forms. However, it was not just in the Isle of Man that the relevance and validity of the oath and other Royal encumbrances was exciting passions. In Cymru, the Welsh Assembly's Presiding Officer sparked a constitutional row by calling for the oath of allegiance to the Queen, sworn by Assembly members, to be scrapped. Lord Dafydd Elis-Thomas said loyalty to the Crown should not be a test of members' ability to represent the people of Wales. In an article in the left-wing Plaid Cymru on-line magazine, Triban Coch, he also went further suggesting that the prefix Royal should be dropped from the names of the Royal Welsh Show and the Royal National Eisteddfod. Lord Elis-Thomas told Triban Coch: It [the oath of allegiance] doesn't happen in Northern Ireland and they shouldn't have it here. It should not be a test of one's ability to represent the people of Wales to have to assent to an oath to the Monarch. He said that he would try to use a second Government of Wales Bill to abolish the oath and went on: We can stop inviting the Royal family, all we have got to do is by resolution decide we don't want to have anything to do with them. The comments have provoked a predictable response from supporters of the Crown and doubtless the parallel comment made in Mann by Mark Kermode will attract criticism. However, it is clear now that as the former United Kingdom fragments more people are prepared to speak out and seek an end to the sycophancy of these historical irrelevancies. Bernard Moffatt Secretary General A:E:R Forwarded for your information. The text and intent of the article has to stand on its own merits. Therefore, unless I am a first-hand witness to any event described, I cannot attest to its validity. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe simply because it has been handed down for many generations. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumoured by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is written in Holy Scriptures. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of teachers, elders or wise men. Believe only after careful observation and analysis, when you find that it agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all. Then accept it and live up to it. The Buddha on Belief, from the Kalama Sutra A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send
[CTRL] Tart
-Caveat Lector- The rest of the story is at the linque http://www.drudgereport.com/frum.htm [RIGHT MAN was ranked #2134 on the AMAZON hit parade Sunday evening] Native Canadian-style quips not withstanding, Frum reveals a grudging admiration for Bush throughout his prose. Frum writes of the president: He was hardly the obvious man for the job. But by a very strange fate, he turned out to be, of all unlikely things, the right man. Bush is neither dumb [as portrayed by the left] nor nice [the president assigns cute nicknames to people only to remember who they are], Frum claims. A:E:R Forwarded for your information. The text and intent of the article has to stand on its own merits. Therefore, unless I am a first-hand witness to any event described, I cannot attest to its validity. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe simply because it has been handed down for many generations. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumoured by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is written in Holy Scriptures. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of teachers, elders or wise men. Believe only after careful observation and analysis, when you find that it agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all. Then accept it and live up to it. The Buddha on Belief, from the Kalama Sutra A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ACUTE KNOWLEDGE OF IRAQ
-Caveat Lector- BUSH ADMINISTRATION HAD ACUTE KNOWLEDGE OF IRAQ'S MILITARY INDUSTRIALIZATION PLANS Henry B. Gonzalez, (TX-20) (House of Representatives - July 27, 1992) http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/congress/1992/h920727g.ht m [Page: H6696] The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a previous order of the House, the gentleman from Texas [Mr. Gonzalez] is recognized for 60 minutes. Mr. GONZALEZ. Mr. Speaker, last week I showed that this administration, President Bush's administration, deliberately and not inadvertently helped to arm Iraq by allowing United States technology to be shipped to the Iraqi military and to the Iraqi weapons factories. Throughout the course of the Bush administration, United States and foreign firms were granted export licenses to ship United States technology directly to Iraqi weapons facilities, despite ample evidence showing that these factories were producing weapons. [TIME: 1610] I also showed how the President misled the Congress and the public about the role United States firms played in arming Iraq. Today I will show that the highest levels of the Bush administration, including the President himself, had specific knowledge of Iraq's military industrialization plans, and despite that knowledge, the President mandated the policy of coddling Saddam Hussein as spelled out in National Security Directive 26 (NSD-26) issued in October 1989. This policy was not changed until after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, by which time the Bush administration had sent Saddam Hussein billions of dollars in United States financial assistance, technology and useful military intelligence information. I will also show how the President's policy of appeasing Saddam Hussein was at odds with those in the administration who saw Iraq as a major proliferation threat. This will help set the stage for next week's report which will discuss Iraq's clandestine technology procurement network and the Italian bank agency in Atlanta's role in funding that network. We will bring out the very intricate system which up to now has not been elaborated upon other than through the great alarm sounded by the Commodity Credit Corporation's extension of guarantees through the letters of credit that were issued by this bank. But it was more intricate, it was a lot more elaborate, and it was very well thought out by these overseas students or system, and its gaps, and its failures, which is the reason that I am here today and have from the beginning spoken out, that is on the vulnerability of our financial banking system to these external forces. I would like to emphasize, however, that the administration knew about the procurement network, and I indicated some of that last week, and decided to go ahead and tolerate it. From the beginning of the Bush administration Iraq received billions in United States financial assistance and sophisticated United States technology, what actually had started under President Reagan's first term in 1983 when the President took Iran off of the list of nations that he had listed as terrorist nations. As is well known, the largest financial aid program for Iraq was the Commodity Credit Corporation and their export guarantee program. Between 1983 and the invasion of Kuwait in 1990, Iraq received $5 billion in CCC guarantees that allowed them to purchase United States agricultural products on credit. Over half of that program or $2.6 billion was authorized during the first 2 1/2 years of this administration, the Bush administration. The CCC program was the single largest chunk of financial assistance that Iraq received from what we call the West. It helped to feed the people of Iraq, and it freed up scarce resources that were first used to purchase weapons to fight the war against Iran, and later, during the Bush administration, it freed up resources, and those that were freed up were ploughed into Iraq's military industrialization program. There have been many allegations, and there are still ongoing investigations that are attempting to determine if Iraq was diverting CCC guaranteed commodities to purchase weapons. And as I said from the beginning when I first started out on this 2 years ago exactly this month of July, there is not and never has been any attempt to verify the end use of the guarantees, that is the loan guarantees and the commodities as they were supposed to have been delivered. But there is still some investigations. When we started ours, as it was in the beginning, has been and will continue to be, my single-minded purpose was the shoring up of the most vulnerable aspects of our national interest, and that is the banking and financial oversight or regulatory which is full of just absolute gaps, and loopholes, and we have been better analyzed by people all the way from Asia to Europe and the Middle East who have studied these vulnerabilities for years and are still making ample use. As I have said repeatedly, my most worrisome problem is that there is no telling how
[CTRL] Reinstate the Draft
-Caveat Lector- Reinstate the Draft Bill Berkowitz - WorkingForChange 01.03.03 - It's fair, it's equitable and it's the patriotic thing to do. For those privileged Americans who have been historically underrepresented in America's military, it's time for an affirmative action plan. Americans need to move beyond mouthing slogans and posting flag decals on their SUVs and pick-up trucks, and stand up for their country. I never thought I'd be saying this, but it's time to bring back The Draft. Everyone gets an opportunity to serve -- National Football League players, major league baseball players, Hollywood stars, the neighborhood butcher, hip-hop artists, Senators' sons and daughters, Cabinet Secretarys youngsters -- no excuses, no special deals for cushy National Guard placements, no college deferments, no slithering out. This time around the draft will not only supply the armed services, but it will also create a cadre of community workers. Not community policemen. Not Operation TIPS wannabes. Rather, a genuine community service core to support child care projects and public education, senior citizen care, medical clinics, environmental clean-up, etcetera. Everyone will serve. Everyone will be paid a living wage to help make America a better place to live. Rangel's modest proposal I came to this position while watching one of New York City's most liberal Congressmen, Democrat Charles Rangel, boldly advocate the reinstatement of the draft during several television appearances the day before New Years Eve. With a twinkle in his eye, Rangel, a decorated combat veteran of the Korean War, told talk- show hosts on MSNBC and the Fox News Channel that all Americans should share in the sacrifice necessary to pursue President Bush's permanent war against terrorism. And, he added, all Americans should have the opportunity to be real patriots, not bumper-sticker or sunshine patriots. In a New York Times piece on Tuesday, December 31, Congressman Rangel wrote: I believe that if we are going to send our children to war, the governing principle must be that of shared sacrifice. Rangel, who intends to introduce legislation to reinstate the military draft, wrote I believe that if those calling for war knew that their children were likely to be required to serve -- and to be placed in harm's way -- there would be more caution and a greater willingness to work with the international community in dealing with Iraq. A renewed draft will help bring a greater appreciation of the consequences of decisions to go to war. Drafting away Some of you may be old enough to remember the Draft. For most young men, turning 18 was marked by a letter from your local draft board advising you of the time and place to report for your Army physical. The draft became a flashpoint for protest against the Vietnam War and was abolished by President Nixon in 1973 to diffuse political turmoil. The draft was always inequitable. Most of those who actually wound up serving on the front lines in Vietnam were poor and working class -- and disproportionately people of color. Upper- and middle-class kids figured out any number of schemes to avoid being drafted. Many went to college and received student deferments. Others, when they showed up for their physical, said or did some mighty weird things to avoid being seen as acceptable; brought letters from psychiatrists; stayed up days on end so as to appear so messed up that no branch of service would want them in their ranks. Some, among the more privileged, while claiming to support the war, avoided the draft by signing up for spots in the Reserves. By now, we all are aware that numerous Bush Administration chicken hawks cleverly avoided service to their country. (For more on this see the comprehensive listing of right-wing draft dodgers at the Chickenhawk Database.) The words of folksinger/activist Phil Ochs' Draft Dodger Rag comes to mind: Oh, I'm just a typical American boy from a typical American town I believe in God and Senator Dodd and a-keepin' old Castro down And when it came my time to serve I knew better dead than red But when I got to my old draft board, buddy, this is what I said: CHORUS Sarge, I'm only eighteen, I got a ruptured spleen And I always carry a purse I got eyes like a bat, and my feet are flat, and my asthma's getting worse Yes, think of my career, my sweetheart dear, and my poor old invalid aunt Besides, I ain't no fool, I'm a-goin' to school And I'm working in a DEE-fense plant I've got a dislocated disc and a wracked up back I'm allergic to flowers and bugs And when the bombshell hits, I get epileptic fits And I'm addicted to a thousand drugs I got the weakness woes, I can't touch my toes I can hardly reach my knees And if the enemy came close to me I'd probably start to sneeze I'm only eighteen, I got a ruptured spleen And I always carry a purse I got eyes like a bat, and my feet are flat, and my asthma's getting worse Ooh, I hate Chou En
[CTRL] U.S. MILITARY DOMINANCE
-Caveat Lector- http://www.whitehouse.org/news/2003/010303.asp PRESIDENT BUSH'S REMARKS ON U.S. MILITARY DOMINANCE TO THE ASSEMBLED TROOPS OF FORT HOOD, TEXAS Statement by the President THE PRESIDENT: Good morning, Army men. (Group shout of GOOD MORNING MISTER PRESIDENT, SIR!) It is so good to be back in Texas for the first of my annual twelve extended holidays. I can't tell you how refreshing it is to mingle with all the regular folks of this grand, Yankee-hating, unregulated industry- loving state of well-manicured, Viagra-popping cowboy paranoids. And it is doubly neat to stand here before you boys - and patriotically closeted lezbos - and breathe in your collective ass-kicking body odor. That's the smell of American Justice, and I take great pleasure in knowing it's the last thing my personal enemies will be sniffing before drowning in buckets of their own blood! (Cheers.) As you sorry underclass grunts in the military know, there are two realities: what civilians want to hear, and the truth. So you'll forgive me if my remarks today aren't filled with a bunch of politically correct bullshit. We understand each other - you kill for money, and my morally bankrupt posse of visionless corporate vaqueros and I give you the assassination orders wrapped in a soggy hamburger bun of vacuous patriotism. Today, I wanted to reiterate for all of you the longstanding Pentagon policy which states that America has the capability to fight and win two wars simultaneously. This policy has never been more true than today. Presumably, these two conflicts would be fought in Asia or the Middle East. But this morning, I had a big idea over my bowl of Grape Nuts, and I wanted to share it with you fighting fellas before anyone else. You see, I'm a Texan - or so says my heavily edited bio - and I like things BIG. So while Senator Doctor Frist and I spin the public's wheels with fantasies of workable health care legislation, I am going to dispatch Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld to increase our military capability. Instead of two wars, I want to have the capacity to fight SIX WARS at once and lick each and every motherfucker who steps up to the flaming paddle plate for his righteous ass beating. Currently, we would win these economy-enriching, election-capturing wars if the six offending countries were Holland, New Zealand, Luxembourg, Vermont, Narnia, and Education. (Cheers.) But wait, there's more! Starting today, every Friday in the mess hall is all-you-can-eat jalapeno popper night! (Primal howls.) Now, since we're all friends: I don't think anyone will disagree with me when I state the obvious fact that the military is a de facto suckling pig gnawing on the Republican tit? I mean, ain't any cocksucking hippies out there, right? (Shouts of NO, SIR!) Well, don't forget it! Remember that our party is the anti-big government party. We're against using your hard-earned tax dollars to buy feed for lazy, darkie cripples. We're against regulating my crony buddies, who just want to make sure their great-great-great grandchildren have enough blood money to employ thousands of mutant Iraqis as toilet scrubbers in their lunar pod-cities. We're against health coverage for children stupid enough to be born poor. So, before I jump back on my copter and take a nap, I just want to take a moment to thank Jesus Christ for putting the largest, porkiest military base here in self-reliant Texas. God bless all of you. And providing you don't go AWOL like I did, I promise to call your mommas personally when and if you're killed while fighting to protect the business interests of my family. (Cheers.) » E-MAIL THIS PAGE TO A FELLOW REPUBLICAN « ### back career opportunities | privacy policy | accessibility | links | reader mail | link to whitehouse.org | web team ©2001-2003 - a chickenhead productions parody A:E:R Forwarded for your information. The text and intent of the article has to stand on its own merits. Therefore, unless I am a first-hand witness to any event described, I cannot attest to its validity. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe simply because it has been handed down for many generations. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumoured by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is written in Holy Scriptures. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of teachers, elders or wise men. Believe only after careful observation and analysis, when you find that it agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all. Then accept it and live up to it. The Buddha on Belief, from
[CTRL] The Two Towers
-Caveat Lector- http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1202/twotowers.html December 2002 Christian Moviegoers Beware! The Two Towers is Homo Slang For Erect Hobbit Penises Important Notice For Christian Parents The new movie, The Two Towers makes up for its lack of on screen sex scenes with some of the most horrifying, blood wrenching violence ever to splatter the silver screen. That's why, at first glance, the film is very appealing to True Christians®, says Pastor Deacon Fred. However, we must be careful not to get overly excited about movies that come so close to depicting what our loving Lord Jesus has in store for sinners. Christians know that nothing man could ever conceive on film will ever match the glorious barbecue of burning flesh that God has promised for all those who don't worship Jesus. I doubt Hollywood could ever litter a whole valley with hacked up pieces of human flesh and body parts, or fill a river with the hot, fresh steaming blood of the unsaved. Only the Lord can do that! And the Bible tells us He will! As True Christians®, we are promised front row seats for that glorious show. And the price for admission was covered 2,000 years ago by Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection! And friends, the reviews for that show, even though it hasn't happened yet, are already in. And they are raves. Five stars! You see, the Lord's Word tells us that once the world is covered with rotting corpses, saved Christians will rejoice over them and make merry, and shall send gifts to one another (Revelation 11:5-10). Praise! Now, as a True Christian, that is the type of spoiler I don't mind! I think I speak for all Baptists when I say, 'Bring on the rotting bodies, sweet Jesus!' Pastor Deacon Fred went on to note that although the violence in The Two Towers film is some of the best he's ever seen outside of the Holy Bible, that the hidden sexual agenda in the movie makes it unwatchable to anyone other than a qualified minister of God. Pastors who were allowed to see the first film, The Fellowship of the Ring, remember that toward the end, one of the male hobbits (which is slang for homo boy with a little bitty [insert unchristian word here] hanging between his legs) fell so much in love with the main character, Frodo (another male hobbit), that he committed the ultimate homosexual sacrifice by ruining his hairdo and nearly drowning himself to prove his loyalty. Although sodomy is now suggested in nearly every scene where the two creatures appear together, thankfully, the producers leave the disgusting homosexuality (which was so much a part of the novels) off camera. There are some scenes where the hobbits appear together in one sleeping bag and a lewd discussion about what sinful act led to both their palms and feet becoming so hairy, but that's about it. By moving dozens of deviant sex scenes between those hairy little perverts off screen, the producers were able to achieve a PG13 rating, says Pastor Deacon Fred. And make no mistake, my dear friends; here at Landover Baptist, PG means 'pretty gay.' Although we don't know too much about the director of The Two Towers movie, we are told that he was plucked from the overweight, unkempt men with glasses who play Dungeons and Dragons and live in their mother's basement crowd. This type of person is part of a dangerous and destructive class of sissified sex- perverts who can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality. Their type force American Christians to participate in their make believe worlds by creating movies, online role-playing games, and books of fiction. If we could only get these fat little momma's boys to take a bath and sit in a Baptist Church on a Sunday Morning, they would be able to hear true stories from the Holy Bible about talking snakes (Genesis 3:1), a time when giants roamed the Earth (Genesis 6:4), a guy who stops the sun from moving (Joshua 10:12-13), folks who routinely live to be 900 years old (Genesis 5:2-32), people who can open up whole seas like a zipper (Exodus 14:26-28), folks who camp out in whale's stomachs (Matthew 12:40), flying horses (2 Kings 2:11), gentlemen who are able to live inside furnaces (Daniel 3), stinky rotting corpses that jump out of graves (John 11:39-44), and swimming seven headed fire breathing leopards sent to destroy the world, (Revelation 13:1-10) says Pastor Deacon Fred. And then maybe these sweaty little four-eyed plumpers would stop making up silly fantasy films and start churning out movies based on factual events from the Holy Bible. We can't expect secular film critics to understand what Satan is doing with this movie. They don't have the scholarly Christian background necessary to understand all the nuances of God's otherwise seemingly insane Word. For example, that popcorn-munching, Junior Mints inhaling slob, Roger Ebert, NEVER attended vacation Bible school. And that swishy Jew, Leonard Maltin, never had the Holy Spirit hovering over his
[CTRL] For your attention
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] spotted this on the Guardian Unlimited site and thought you should see it. To see this story with its related links on the Guardian Unlimited site, go to http://www.guardian.co.uk If only he would listen, this could be Blair's finest hour Britain's envoys want the PM to stall Bush's plans for war Richard Norton-Taylor Sunday January 05 2003 The Observer Telegrams from British embassies and missions around the world are urging Tony Blair to step up pressure on President Bush to pull back from a war against Iraq. In what amounts to a collective cri de coeur, our envoys - congregating in Whitehall today for an unprecedented Foreign Office brainstorming session - are warning of the potentially devastating consequences of such an adventure, including its impact on a greater threat than Saddam Hussein: al-Qaida-inspired terrorism. The warnings are not just coming from our envoys and defence attaches in Arab capitals. They are also, I am told, coming from Washington. This, our diplomats suggest, could be one of Blair's - and Britain's - finest hours, a unique opportunity to make a constructive contribution to world affairs. They also know, not least from American opinion polls, that the Bush administration needs Britain onside. Our contribution would be a token one in military terms, but significant politically. That gives Britain leverage. It is hard to find anyone in Whitehall who supports a war against Iraq and who is not deeply concerned about the influence of the hawks around Bush. They cannot say so in public, of course. Whitehall gives Blair the credit for helping to persuade Bush to go down the UN route - a prime example of what Whitehall describes as Britain punching above its weight. But this should be put into perspective. Richard Falk, Princeton's emeritus professor of international law, notes in the latest issue of Le Monde Diplomatique: This belated recourse to the UN does not fool many people outside the US, and is not very persuasive to Americans themselves. It is obvious that Bush is no friend of the UN, and only sought UN approval for US policy to defuse domestic opposition to blatant unilateralism. Falk addresses a key issue: For the US to insist in voting for resolution 1441 on 8 November, that the UN act as an enforcement agency by reviving weapons inspection, and in so onerous a form that it almost ensures a breakdown, is to enlist the UN in the dirty work of war-making. It is a key issue because UN security council backing for military action will be seized on by ministers to convince those, including Labour MPs and bishops, who have grave doubts about a war against Iraq. The fact is that the security council has always considered itself above any tenet of international law. In his biography, The Politics of Diplomacy, former US secretary of state James Baker shamelessly admits how, before the 1991 Gulf war, he met his security council counterparts in an intricate process of cajoling, extracting, threatening, and occasionally buying votes. America's relative power, and its willingness to use it, has increased over the past 12 years. James Paul, head of Global Policy Forum, a non-governmental body that monitors the UN, says: The capacity of the US to bring to heel virtually any country in the world is unbelievable. The US is corrupting the security council by bribing its permanent members - Russia with dollars, China with trade concessions, France and Britain (if it needs any carrots) with the prospect of oil concessions. And Turkey will be amply rewarded if it allows the US to use its bases for an assault on Iraq. Is this how international relations are going to be conducted among the world's most powerful countries in future? Is it that difficult for Blair to go down in history as the leader who prevented a potentially disastrous war fought, as one Whitehall official puts it, simply to prevent Bush from having egg over his face? What kind of country meekly succumbs to demands for war dictated by domestic party politics, even those of its closest ally? Where is the evidence that Iraq is lying about its weapons of mass destruction? Worried Whitehall officials ask: even if evidence is found, and Saddam Hussein is discovered to have lied, is it not better to keep the UN inspectors - the best deterrence against the use or development of such weapons - on the ground? One lie ministers could nail is that put about by elements in Washington and Israel - that there are links between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida. British and American intelligence insist there is no evidence of such a link, yet ministers are frightened to say so for fear of upsetting Washington. Though there is no love lost between the Iraqi regime and Islamist fundamentalists, an Anglo-American attack on Iraq is likely to attract more recruits to al-Qaida, thereby increasing the risk of terrorist strikes against British and American
Re: [CTRL] Yahoo is run by the Illuminati
-Caveat Lector- http://www.donet.com/~moser/index.htm Here is the site you are asking about that Yahoo! and Google refuse to list in their index. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Franc Tireur Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 1:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Yahoo is run by the Illuminati -Caveat Lector- Antoine, Give me the web address and the admin password, and I'll see to it that your page is the most visited on the web... It's all in how you reach your audience... I was looking for information about the masons when I stumbled upon your website about a month and a half ago. You are right... for the life of me I cannot seem to get google to obtain the same results I believe I used to reach your page that fateful evening... but then again, who knows. I'm actually surprised, given the great detailing and insight your page provided me, that I cannot find it now... Quite curious, I'd say... would you like to enlighten the list with a link to your suppository of information regarding Zionism, Masonic culture, Idolatry, et al? (I was especially blushed by the constant references to the penis...) Yeah, a dick... Rockets were designed long and pointy such that resembled a dick, not that shape's inherent ability to withstand cross-wind currents... No, rather the rocket should have been built in the shape of a woman's Clitoris Confining man to the Earth forever Much as we are under their power now, I deny the clit, and refuse to succumb to its power... We are now worshipping different gods... The gods of greed, the gods of wealth, the gods of pride... one by one, to the number of 12, we are succumbing to their influence. Here's a For Instance: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (the International Association of Humans) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered via: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The UPC Code I have discovered the basis behind the regenerative order of the NWO... These agents of the NWO were established during the so-called American conversion to the metric system in the late 70's to early 80's. The fact that (admittedly within 50-100 miles of the border of the United STATES of America) the Metric system has been adopted and widely used. Highway signs display the number of meters to the next exit, along both the northern and southern frontiers. Yet, Americans still adhere to the old mile \ pound system... why is that? I suggest the culpability of the UPC (aka the Universal Product or Price code.) Number of Bars (those lines in the code or the Basic.Annotated.Redemption.System) as designed for commercial use in the United STATES during 70's and 80's? 30 Yes, there are 30 bars attached to (nearly) every product you buy. Why is this important? Look at the following mathematical regression: 30 + 96 = 126 (the number of man, the host, the believer) However, the VERY SAME 30, subtracted from the 96 required to reach the number of man, the host, the believer in the first calculation, when subtracted equals the first two digits in the Number of the Beast... two-thirds of the infamous 666 used both in Biblical prose as well as the First Prophets of the Apocalypse, the Heavy Metal Group IRON MAIDEN, who advocated the use of torture devices for the extraction of information from the Innocent. The third (and final) digit can be found by taking the hexadecimal equivalent of the final digit (which appears as part of the code, but is hidden from sight) as a combination of the last three digits, divided by PURE Pi (just typing 3.14 into your Ti calculator (no doubt made in China, Ha Ha Ha!) will not do. Honestly, only the SGI Indigo I own can crunch these numbers as it is calculated out to One-Google-inth, sucking all available life from the dual-SCSI 33MHz interface and it's massive 128Mb of internal (yet water-cooled) RAM. You see, this conclusion can only be found by running the code which resides on my own, pre-Microsoft, open source computer. Take a look on E-Bay, as used Indy's are pretty cheap, and well worth the effort... You can even run Apache on them!!! Anyway, this hexadecimal equivalent (which can only be viewed by Irfanview when the image of the last three digits are created as Tahoma, Bold 10 font imported from MSPaint as a BMP image, then converted to a hex equivalent via the export process...) is always divisible by 666, 333, 111, and 3... which is very odd behavior for a seemingly innocent number... It is the third, and final, digit in the orchestration of our doom. The prevalence of recycling as a part of our Economy is actually a ruse to pry into our private lives. Notice the neatly serialized containers... No fear though, because even if your neighbor switches containers with you, your address and pick-up point is recorded with each stop. That number (also divisible by the above divisors when calculated at different font density and height factors) is also traceable to your SSN via one of six
[CTRL] Righteous NoKor
-Caveat Lector- http://www.latimes.com/la-fg-norkor5jan05001500,0,2150768.story NEWS ANALYSIS N. Korea Sees Itself as Land of Righteousness The nation views its nuclear program as a countermeasure to U.S. domination. By Mark Magnier Times Staff Writer January 5 2003 SEOUL -- A dictator madly threatens the rest of the world with his nuclear arsenal, thumbing his nose at international agreements and selling nuclear and biological weapons to fellow rogue states as he lords it over a nation of starving people. This -- give or take a detail or two -- is the perception many outsiders have of North Korea these days as they try to make sense of the isolated state. The North has rattled global nerves in recent weeks by admitting to an atomic weapons program, expelling nuclear inspectors, disabling surveillance cameras and threatening to pull out of a global pact designed to limit the spread of nuclear arms. It ratcheted up the pressure Saturday by issuing a vaguely worded threat that it would take necessary countermeasures to perceived U.S. hostility. The Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency, meanwhile, is expected to issue a strong condemnation soon of the regime in Pyongyang, although agency officials hold out hope that the North will allow inspectors back in before the IAEA takes the issue to the U.N. Security Council. Turn the tables, however, and you see a very different picture of North Korea, say experts who have spent much of their life watching every twist and turn of the hermit kingdom. While the West views North Korea as a global laggard in bringing democracy, better living standards and even food to its people, analysts say North Korea looks abroad and sees decadence, soft thinking and moral depravity in the so-called new world order. And while many in the United States believe that the world's only superpower is doing mankind a great service by ensuring global stability and preventing weapons from falling into the wrong hands, North Korea sees a bully bent on global domination. A prevalent view in North Korea is that, with no one to check U.S. power, there's little standing in Washington's way as it shapes the post-Cold War world in its own image and makes new rules to strengthen its own control. Anyone who threatens that order -- and North Korea feels it is in the cross hairs -- faces being crushed, Pyongyang believes. The present situation is very serious and unpredictable, North Korea's official KCNA news agency said Saturday. North Korea cannot but take a strong countermeasure by itself in defense of the sovereignty of the country and the right to existence. Outside North Korea, many see a regime that's used what little economic strength it has to manufacture weapons of mass destruction rather than grow food, make clothing or build houses for its people. For North Korea, however, these weapons are synonymous with national sovereignty, analysts say. They entitle North Korea to play what it feels is a deserved role on the world stage. How else could a country with a GDP the size of some U.S. counties' be taken seriously? The nuclear card is very valuable to them, said Song Young Sun, a researcher at the Korea Institute of Defense Analyses. Without it, they're just another poor, ignored country, a ... Rwanda, Somalia -- even maybe less valuable than Somalia. Outsiders see a rogue state not content to create trouble at home but intent on spreading weapons to questionable states such as Yemen. What others call weapons proliferation, however, Pyongyang sees as both an essential source of cash -- the arms trade is a huge and legal global business after all -- and as part of a struggle to oppose the bullying of the United States. While most of the world deplores the mismatch between North Korea's relatively enormous military sector and its impoverished people, who have died of starvation by the thousands over the last decade, North Korea sees a situation that involves more than comfort, consumer niceties or even food in its people's bellies. According to this view, it involves the highest of ideals -- the willingness to sacrifice and struggle for self-reliance, or juche. They don't buy into the prevalent capitalist view, said Lee Hang Koo, an analyst with the South Korean military intelligence service. South Korea feels superior because its economy is 27 times greater than North Korea's. But that doesn't mean they're 27 times better or happier. A recurring question around the world is how North Korea, or at least its leadership, can ignore the rapid advance of democracy as communism shrivels. The Soviet Union's implosion led the way, while China is now beating the capitalists at their own game. For many North Koreans, however, who were weaned on a home-grown ideology, theirs is the last pure state. Certainly there are problems, but the first order for any state is survival, particularly a communist state in such an epic fight. Prosperity can wait
