Re: [CTRL] Serb Terrorists Attack School?
-Caveat Lector- At 02:59 PM 4/20/99 -0500, Brian Redman wrote: -Caveat Lector- Black trenchcoats? Grenade launcher? This sounds like more than the average Manchurian candidate set loose. Will the gunmen turn out to be "Serb terrorists"? More likely they're the teen-age sons of staunch NRA members. Che DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Cognitive Dissonance: Mindcontrol vs Lewinsky
-Caveat Lector- From Nexus Magazine: Beta was the sexual servicing part of me. They also sometimes called the alter state 'Barbie'. It was supposed to be named after Klaus Barbie." Like Barbie doll? Survivors Cathy O'Brien and Brice Taylor were also subjected to Beta, or sex-slave, programming. They, like actress Marilyn Monroe, were called "presidential models", mind-controlled slaves for the use of high-level politicians. Why does Clinton need blow jobs from "the portly pepperpot" (Lewinsky) if there are NWO sex slaves to do his bidding? Che "Every fart has some kind of smell, and we cannot say that all Soviet farts smell sweet." - Mao Tse-tung to the Supreme Soviet, 1956 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Templar Revelation
-Caveat Lector- At 11:35 AM 4/5/99 EDT, someone wrote: You must look for clues in movies too: note that the actor Roger Moore plays, in movie The Saint, Simon TEMPLAR, and in movie The Persuaders Lord SINCLAIR. And don't forget the 1st captain of Babylon 5 was Jeffrey SINCLAIR, and more importantly the object of Robin William's affections in The Fisher King (there's a hint!) was Lydia SINCLAIR!!! The Sinclairs, the conspirators, are everywhere! Che Just kidding. Really. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: 666
-Caveat Lector- From: Williams Institute [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh yes, three sets of information comprised of 6 bits? I guess that adds up to "666". I don't know about the rest of you folks, but I may have to come to terms with my innate scepticism of religion and start going to church again. Time to stock up on food, precious metals, and ammo, if you haven't already! Let's see, 6 bits is 2^6 or 64 possibilities per data field. 64x64x64 = 262144 total possibilities - not a whole lot. Sounds like this guy should blow off church and take some remedial math classes! Che DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CTRL Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- At 04:44 PM 2/10/99 -0500, Frank Newsom wrote: -Caveat Lector- This list is a really fine group of conspiracy folk. Can't even find the one right under their own noses. There was once a time when you could only post 4 times a day. There were many more "factual" posts and less discussion. Many of the older members are no longer here or post much less frequently. Threads of pure drivel go on forever. There was discussion of splitting the list into one for "serious researchers" by invitation only and then there are the rest of us. Nitwits. If you use Eudora or another email client that supports filtering, you could do what I do - every Subject line that has "Re: [CTRL]" in it goes straight to the trash. If for some strange reason I actually want to read what passes for "discussion", I can retrieve it from the Trash, which I purge once a week. I've been doing this for a few weeks now, and it has improved my attitude towards this list considerably. Try it, you may like it. Note: you can also use this to delete "factual" posts from irritating sources by searching for their names in the header. Che DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 100GB BUG
-Caveat Lector- EXPERTS WARN OF THREAT FROM 100GigaBurg BUG - Experts warned today of a new and deadly threat to our beleaguered civilization: the 100GB Bug. As most people know, McDonald's restaurant signs show the number of hamburgers the giant chain has sold. That number now stands at 99 billion burgers, or 99 Gigaburgers (GB). Within months or even weeks, that number will roll over to 100GB. McDonald's signs, however, were designed years ago, when the prospect of selling one hundred billion hamburgers seemed unthinkably remote. So the signs have only two decimal places. This means that, after the sale of the 100 billionth burger, McDonald's signs will read "00 Billion Burgers Sold." This, experts predict, will convince the public that, in over thirty years, no McDonald's hamburgers have ever in fact been sold, causing a complete collapse of consumer confidence in McDonald's products. The ensuing catastrophic drop in sales is seen as almost certain to force the already-troubled company into bankruptcy. This, in turn, will push the teetering American economy over the brink, which, finally, will complete the total devastation of the global economy, ending civilization as we know it, and forcing us all to live on beetles. "The people who know -- the sign-makers -- are really scared of 100GB," one expert said. "I don't know about you, but I'm digging up a copy of THE FIELD GUIDE TO NORTH AMERICAN INSECTS and heading for the hills." ...author unknown Che When does the next millenium begin? Since a millennium is 1000 years, the first millennium began at the start of the year 1 and ended at the end of the year 1000. The second millennium then began with the year 1001 and will conclude at the end of the year 2000. Therefore, the next millennium begins with the year 2001. from: National Institute of Standards and Technology, Time and Frequency FAQ - http://www.bldrdoc.gov/timefreq/faq/faq.htm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Two Cows (humor)
-Caveat Lector- At 08:16 PM 1/5/99 EST, Gerald Harp wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 2:03:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. This single line for capitalism which makes it sound like a right smart system while the alternatives are described with multiple sentences and none too flatteringly is not well balanced. I don't know what the right add-on should be but as it is, Here's my take: CAPITALISM (PURE UNBRIDLED): You have two cows. You would like to sell one and buy a bull, but your neighbor owns all the bulls and isn't selling. Your neighbor keeps enlarging his herd, forcing the price of milk down until you're forced to sell your cows to your neighbor. Then the price of milk is raised and your only choice is to go to work for your neighbor for substinence wages. Eventually you find yourself living in a shack that your neighbor owns, shopping in a store your neighbor owns, and in debt up to your ears to your neighbor. If you think this is feudalism, remember that you're free to leave, as long as you pay your debts. CAPITALISM (AMERICAN STYLE): You have two cows. You fill out lots of paperwork and go in debt to buy the equipment you need to receive USDA certification. You can only sell milk at a price set by an arcane government formula based on your distance from Wisconsin. Some of the milk you sell is made into cheese and winds up in a government warehouse. To compete you buy antibiotics and bovine growth hormone from a large pharmaceutical corporation. To enlarge your herd you buy bull sperm from a large agribusiness. To feed your herd you buy cattle feed from another large corporation. Despite your best efforts you wind up heavily indebted to the local bank, and your kids move to the city to be something besides dairy farmers. CAPITALISM (REIGNED IN BY ADAM SMITH'S MYTHICAL IDEAL "INVISIBLE HAND OF GOVERNMENT"): You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. Che When does the next millenium begin? Since a millennium is 1000 years, the first millennium began at the start of the year 1 and ended at the end of the year 1000. The second millennium then began with the year 1001 and will conclude at the end of the year 2000. Therefore, the next millennium begins with the year 2001. from: National Institute of Standards and Technology, Time and Frequency FAQ - http://www.bldrdoc.gov/timefreq/faq/faq.htm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Euro (Re: [CTRL] Source: Fate Of Clinton Being Decided At Hilton Head)
-Caveat Lector- At 12:52 PM 1/1/99 EST, Gerald Harp wrote: IMHO, the Euro will prove the most popular. This is because the US is becoming less modern as time passes. The key to societal (national) strength is for knowledge and wealth to widely exist over the entire population. Could you please quantify this? A quick check of census figures and the C1A World Factbook he difference in average income between Germany and Greece is greater than the difference between Connecticut and Mississippi (the difference between west east Germany is even greater). Or were you referring to the difference in income levels between the richest and poorest within a country? In Europe these are held lower by high rates of taxation and social welfare, i.e. income redistribution. Europe will never be as cohesive as the US due to differences in language. But I don't see this as being much of a factor in the Euro being a popular trading currency. Trading ties and currency stability will factor much higher. Look for the Euro to be popular in Europe, Africa, possibly Western Asia, and the Dollar to maintain its strength in Eastern Asia and the Americas. Che DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up: Bill Clinton Is Finished
-Caveat Lector- At 10:04 AM 12/14/98 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is it that every time something is posted about Commie Lover C1inton all we hear about is Bu sh and Re agan. Seems to be a conspiracy to keep any topic off C1inton and some people on this list said they were "conservative." I brought up Bu sh Rea gan to emphasize the similarities between the Republocrats Demicans. They all eat from the same dog dish. The purpose is not to distract but to point out that C1inton is part of a continuing pattern of abuse of pres idential power. C1inton is as far to the left as anyone can get without being called "Comrade." Seems to me that he's somewhere to the right of Nixon. "IF" the media is owned by the Republicans why does it support C1inton all the time? Reag an and Bu sh have nothing to do with a discussion about C1inton, they were not subject to impeachment no matter what you say... C1inton is. If you would just turn on your TV on a Sunday morning, or MSNBC just about any time (all Monica...all the time), you might change your tune. The few voices supportive of C1inton will be drowned out by those hurling bile invective at him. Did you ever read the "Pressgate" article in the 1st issue of Brill's Content? It was very critical of the trial by press leaks that Ken 5tarr has conducted. In an interview 5tarr virtually admits to the leaks (in violation of Rule 6E), giving the justification that they were necessary to counterspin information from the Wh1te H0use. Brill is also critical of the inability of the press to "bite the hand that feeds it" by questioning the legality of these leaks. He also criticized how the press replaced reportage of facts with speculation and conjecture by so-called "experts". In conclusion, the article is fairly damning of the press for failing to execute their duties as impartial reporters of fact. Even before the article was published, the media attacks began. Brill was painted as a C1inton stooge for a contribution he gave to the '92 campaign (none in '96). I did not see anyone in the mainstream media even address Brill's criticisms - they were too busy slurring him, questioning his accuracy, and deflecting the discussion to unrelated matters. It was all so consistent it seemed orchestrated. Very supportive of the articles you posted on the lack of an independent press. Now, you may see this as just sour grapes on their part, but there's more to it than that. The power elites definitely felt threatened by this article, and trained their media guns on Brill to discredit him. If the media was really "support[ing] C1inton all the time", then they would have fallen all over themselves to dig deeper into the questions Brill raised about 5tarr's office. By no stretch of the imagination can their attacks on Brill be construed as being supportive of C1inton. An important point to remember is that an attack on 5tarr does not necessarily indicate support of C1inton. Some of us who consider C1inton to be guilty of something think that the letter of the law should be followed, and that the O I C represents a threat to what little democracy we have left. The ends DO NOT justify the means. At 03:21 PM 12/13/98 -0800, nurev wrote: High crimes, treason, bribery. C1inton has committed all of these. The problem is that the rest of the more powerful politicians have done the same. What you are witnessing is an attempted coup by the right wing. They want to throw C1inton off the apple cart without tipping over the apple cart. Sit back with this in mind and watch how it's done. It's been done before. The 1ran/C0ntra hearings are the blueprint for what happens next. The real crimes will be avoided. The minor issues will be exagerated, and they will get C1inton out or cripple him severely enough to render him useless. UNLESS THINGS GET OUT OF CONTROL IN THE SEN ATE. This is the best we have to hope for as citizens. That they will hate each other enough to do each other real damage in the eyes of the voters, hopefully ending in some seriously needed reforms. This is essentially my take on the situation as well. Che DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CT
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up: Bill Clinton Is Finished
-Caveat Lector- At 08:36 PM 12/12/98 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that's an interesting observation. The media have been defending and covering for the current president since before his first election. For years prior to that they have consistently espoused a left-wing agenda. ..Are you suggesting that all of this is some sort of reverse pyschology? That would explain the big stink raised by the so-called "liberal media" when Brill's Content printed their "Pressgate" story. You'd think Steven Brill was an enemy of the Rupublic for daring to question the media's cozy relationship w/ Ken Starr. Wake up kids, the mainstream media is about as liberal as Ronald Reagan. Yes, it is surprising that the polls say this - if they are legitimate. If you don't believe the polls, try crawling out of your troll cave sometime and asking your fellow citizens how they feel about the subject. Being social isn't that difficult, in fact I consider it to be and important part of citizenship. I've had trouble finding anyone, even a registered Republican, that is for impeachment (A caveat - I'm from Oregon; Republicans are a little different here). Actually the most frightening element would be the possibility that these polls might indeed be true, which would prove that our society has finally devolved literally into "the ignorant masses." I would not argue that "neither the Congressional majority nor the media care a fig what the electorate wants," but in fairness, and in the interest of accuracy, I would have to add that neither does the congressional minority. I had an interesting conversation w/ some coworkers at the company Christmas party tonite. First there was a discussion about how Clinton's sexual peccadillos were nothing compared to Bush's involvement in the both the SL Iran/Contra scandals. Then we discussed Bush's ties w/ C I A drug running. A coworker and his wife from Texas acted like the Bush/C I A/drug connection was common knowledge. I can hardly characterize them as being a part of "the ignorant masses". If you mean Jimmy Carter, yes he's been laughed at quite a bit, but not by the media. His problem was simply incompetence; he simply wasn't up to the job. But that is not a part of his historical legacy. His legacy is merely that he was a very nice man. And this brings us to Mr. Clinton. The irony is that Carter is probably the last honorable man that will serve as president (honorable relative to other presidents, that is, I know about Jimmy's dirty laundry). It's hard to find anyone that thinks he was a good president (myself included), yet he is to this day a decent human being. You'll never find George Bush swinging a hammer to build a house for a poor person. It is you and the pundits who are helping to form your opinions who are making the mistake. This is not a coup. It is the legitimate activity of the American constitutional system of government in reaction to a crisis. A bit late and a bit light perhaps, but the system is working, and at least so far, we should all be thankful for that. No, it's the devolution into political gridlock via unlawful abuse of the independent council statutes and other laws. It's the dissolution of the carefully placed balances of power in our Constitution. It's the end of democracy as we know it. From now on, if Congress doesn't like what the Executive or Judicial branches are doing, then they can just tie them up w/ an "independent council". The distraction will easily drown out any meaningful public discourse about things that really matter to you or me. And all of you who think that you hate/dislike/disapprove of Clinton are not going to like what comes nextbut you will deserve it. This I would agree with. None of us is going to like what comes next. And we will all deserve it. Those of us who vehemently disapprove of the level of corruption exemplified by your Mr. Clinton will deserve it because of our apathy, lack of protest. Those like yourself who condone and support the actions of men like Bill Clinton will deserve it because of your unwillingness to see truth through your own smokey aura of petty and selfish emotion. It is a sad thing for all of us. I do not for a minute think Clinton is an innocent choirboy. But I'd prefer that he be given the benefit of the protections afforded by our Constitution and the laws of the land. Otherwise, it might be me they're coming for next time w/ their illegal wiretaps, their illegal press leaks, their illegal detention without legal representation, and their overzealous interpretation of the Constitution. Che DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by dif
Re: [CTRL] Apples and Oranges: REDEFINING Capitalism
-Caveat Lector- At 08:16 PM 12/6/98 -0500, M. A. Johnson wrote: Several major turning points mark the reversal of this [Constitutional enumerated powers] ethic. The first was the passage in 1913 of the Sixteenth Amendment, which permitted a federal income tax. This was the first major tax that was not levied on a proportional or uniform basis. Hence, it allowed Congress a political free ride: It could provide government benefits to many by imposing a disproportionately heavy tax burden on the wealthy. ... -- Stephen Moore, _Between Power and Liberty_ But that's not the way it works. If you look at the ratio between people's disposable income (what's left after paying for necessities like food, clothing, and shelter) and the income tax they pay, the wealthy have a far lower RELATIVE tax burden. Besides, most of the non-working rich use tax shelters to almost totally avoid paying income tax. There is NOTHING in the nature of a free-market economy to cause such an event. The popular explanations of depression as caused by 'over-production', 'under-consumption', monopolies, labor-saving devices, maldistribution, excessive accumulations of wealth, etc., have been exploded as fallacies many times. (refer to _Capitalism the Creator_ by Carl Snyder, The Macmillan Company 1940) Since this was written after 1929, it's hard to believe that this guy didn't know what an Asset Price Bubble is. To understand capitalism, you have to understand mob behavior. Assets such as stocks, property, and beanie babies are priced based on what other investors are willing to pay. The problem is, investors act like a herd of cows. Where one goes, the rest follow. When asset values start to move up, investors begin paying more and more for assets, reinforcing each others' increasingly irrational exuberance. Eventually though, one of the herd is spooked by the total disconnection between asset prices and real worth, and the rest stampede, causing asset prices to plummet. This tends to have numerous collateral effects which if extreme enough can cause a depression. Some of these effects include lack of consumer spending due to loss of consumer confidence, constraint on business growth due to lack of investment capital and lack of demand, and bank failures due to failure of loans based on unrealistically valued asset prices. This has been seen time and time again, most recently in numerous countries in Asia. Government regulation attempts to put limits on the collateral damage that can occur, for instance by keeping banks out of investment banking and limiting how they value collateral. Increasingly there is a call to limit asset price inflation along with the already regulated wage and consumer goods price inflations. This is because economists are beginning to wake up to the hazards caused by Asset Price Bubbles, especially as electronic trading and lack of capital flow controls cause money to move in and out of markets at incomprehensible rates. Even Adam Smith understood the need for "the invisible hand of government" in controlling capitalism. If you look at the economic history of the US, you'll see that in the 19th century the booms and busts tended to be equal in length. Since the "Great Depression", booms have gotten longer and busts shorter, as government regulation has become increasingly sophisticated in preventing the economy from overheating in booms and crashing in busts. You don't have to take my word for it, just read the article by George Soros posted to this list a few days ago. I think his billions suggest some understanding of capitalism (FWIW, he seems to be a wolf compared to other investors). I also recommend reading The Economist magazine. As Noam Chomsky likes to point out, business magazines tend to give a slightly less filtered version of the news, as sophisticated investors demand to know what's really going on in the world. You still have to read between the lines, but the gaps aren't quite as large. Che DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
