[CTRL] (Fwd) - Cannabis Aids Creation/420
-Caveat Lector- US CA: Column: Cannabis Aids Creation, Appreciation Of Music URL: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v01/n678/a05.html Newshawk: MAP - Making A Difference With Your Help Pubdate: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 Source: Daily Bruin (CA) Copyright: 2001, ASUCLA Student Media Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/724 Website: http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/ Author: Cyrus McNally CANNABIS AIDS CREATION, APPRECIATION OF MUSIC MUSIC: Writer Explains Connection Between Pot, Perception, Roots Of '420' Jah man. Gather round, for I am about to unveil to you the true origins of a much misunderstood, misrepresented and misinterpreted expression. But this reminds me of a point I wanted to make... One theory why cannabis is still illegal: If marijuana was legal, demand for the crop might skyrocket. This would in turn necessitate the planting and cultivating of many more plants, which would help reduce green-house gasses in the atmosphere by over 15 percent. Normally this would be beneficial, as it would reduce that dreaded greenhouse effect they keep scaring us about. But you see, the people in power don't want to reduce the greenhouse effect, and unbeknownst to the breadth of the world's population, our earth is slowly undergoing a massive terraforming project coordinated by our alien masters. But I digress. How did the combination of inhaling a nasty smelling plant and listening to music come about? First off, with the enhancement of the senses comes the enhancement of music. The nuances of melody and complexity in rhythmic patterns enrapture the mind of the demented hophead. Everything expands in infinite grandeur as if propelled by some gigantic field of anti-gravity. Permanent volume. And, yet again, I digress. This column is really about the origins of the expression "420," as many people have come to associate this number with cannabis, or the marijuana plant, for some reason or another. A particular rumor has it that "420" refers to the number of different chemicals found in marijuana. Another rumor claims that the police use "420" as the code for reporting a "pot-smoking in progress" ( police departments deny the existence of any such code ). In actuality, the term "420" was originated by a group of brothers who would meet up every day after high school in the parking lot to spark up at 4:20 p.m. Thanks to these guys, the simple and easy-to-remember phrase became quite popular among certain populations, musicians included, signifying a specially designated time significant to all potheads. However, the term was really not all that popular until it somehow spilled over into the Grateful Dead community, who passed out flyers at Oakland, Calif., shows in 1990 announcing a "4:20 on 4/20 gathering." The rest is history. Well, actually, let's take history back a little farther... 2737 B.C.: Cannabis is referred to as a "superior" herb in the world's first medical text, or pharmacopoeia, in Southeast Asia. 1845 A.D.: Psychologist and inventor of modern psychopharmacology, Jacques-Joseph Moreau de Tours publishes the first report of the possible physical and mental benefits of cannabis. Only 25 years later, cannabis is listed in the U.S. Pharmacopoeia as a medicine. 1964 A.D.: THC, tetrahydracannabinol, is first isolated in the laboratory. 1989 A.D.: Price-per-ounce of cannabis is worth more than gold. Worldwide prohibition attracts organized crime to take over the cannabis market and net large profits. 1997 A.D.: An eight-year study at the UCLA School of Medicine concludes that long-term smokers of cannabis do not experience a greater annual decline in lung function than non-smokers. Also in 1997, it is reported that America's largest cash crop, outranking corn, wheat and all other grains combined, is cannabis. More recent research on cannabinoid receptors in the brain, known as CB1 ( cannabinoid 1 ) receptors, has concluded that they might regulate perception ( hearing, color vision, taste ), cognition ( sleep, long- and short-term memory ) and motor skills ( movement, coordination, posture and muscle tone ), helping to establish the link between biology and behavior of the cannabis inhaler. CB1 receptors have been shown to ultimately inhibit adrenaline, explaining the large amount of peace and laziness exhibited in your average cannabis inhaler. So how was cannabis first connected to music? One of the more striking effects noticed in the state of consciousness brought on by cannabis use is an acutely augmented appreciation of music. The effect does not seem to fade with the habitual use of cannabis. This perception of enhancement is curiously not limited to certain types of music, although many persons originally interested only in pop music, for example, have been known to suddenly find during a marijuana session that more "serious" music is entertaining in a way both unexpected and profound. While the biological actions of THC and other related
[CTRL] (Fwd) - Scientists Find Way to Block Effects of Marijuana
-Caveat Lector- Scientists Find Way to Block Effects of Marijuana April 13, 2001 04:13 PM ET By Will Dunham WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Chemically blocking receptors in the brain that respond to a key compound in marijuana squelches the "high" caused by the drug, scientists said on Thursday in a finding that could lead to treatment for marijuana abuse and perhaps even for obesity. Researchers with the U.S. National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) have confirmed for the first time in people that chemically blocking the brain's cannabinoid receptors -- proteins on the surface of brain cells -- cuts the intoxicating effects of smoked marijuana. The study involved 63 adult men with histories of marijuana use. Animal tests have found that the major effects of the active ingredient in marijuana, tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), result from its binding to specific cannabinoid receptors. In the study, the researchers used a compound called SR141716, which was discovered by French drug maker Sanofi-Synthelabo. The compound binds to the cannabinoid receptor and blocks compounds such as THC from activating it. The findings appear in the journal Archives of General Psychiatry. Cannabinoid receptors are most dense in brain regions involved in thinking and memory, attention and control of movement, the researchers said. Their precise function in people is not well understood, although animal studies have shown compounds that activate the receptor sites impair learning and memory and increase appetite and food intake. Lead researcher Dr. Marilyn Huestis of NIDA, part of the National Institutes of Health, said the findings help point the way toward possible treatment for people addicted to marijuana. "It's certainly an issue that is still a little controversial," she said of whether marijuana can cause addiction. "But there's been some beautiful work showing that marijuana is addictive, and that a number of people who utilize the drug on a chronic basis have developed dependence and have a very difficult time stopping taking the drug." OBESITY TREATMENT POSSIBLE Huestis also said the compound, by blocking the brain's cannabinoid receptors, may prove useful in treating obesity and psychotic diseases such as schizophrenia and improving memory. "One of the most promising aspects is the issue of obesity and the fact that marijuana produces hunger," Huestis said in an interview. Sanofi-Synthelabo has completed one set of clinical trials involving treating obesity with SR141716 and is now in talks with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration about a next set of trials, said Dr. Joseph Palumbo, a research official with the firm. "We're still learning about some of the effects that we may have." Subjects in the study were given either SR141716 or a placebo (dummy pill) and two hours later smoked one marijuana cigarette. Those who received the compound showed significantly reduced marijuana effects, while the placebo group showed typical marijuana intoxication, the researchers said. Subjects given the highest dose of SR141716 (90 mg) reported a 43 percent reduction in how "high" they felt compared to the control group, the study found. They also had a 59 percent smaller increase in heart rate, one of the primary physical effects of marijuana. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] America Online - Protecting Ted Turner by Censoring The Federalist Online Journal?
-Caveat Lector- By Jon Dougherty 2001 WorldNetDaily.com America Online, the nation's leading Internet service provider, has lifted its blackout of a popular e-mail-based conservative journal after weeks of denying AOL subscribers delivery. Mark Alexander, editor of The Federalist, a weekly e-journal of conservative thought, said Tuesday in a statement that the publication's technical supervisor was contacted by officials from AOL's technical support operations. "AOL admitted that they had, indeed, blocked The Federalist's IP -- which explains why some 20,000 subscribers using AOL and their affiliates, Compuserve and Gateway, have not received the publication for weeks," Alexander said. Alexander said AOL did not provide an explanation as to why it began blocking delivery of the e-journal, but the statement said the popular ISP assured staffers "it would not happen again." Nevertheless, Federalist editors and staff believe they know why AOL blocked delivery. They suspect it was due to criticism published in The Federalist of recent anti-Christian comments made by CNN founder Ted Turner. "Suffice it to say that the blackout occurred after The Federalist published the latest Christian-bashing comments from AOL Time Warner executive Ted Turner," said the statement. "On March 9, 2001, in Federalist #01-10, the publication quoted Turner's comment to a group of CNN personnel observing Ash Wednesday with an ash mark on their foreheads: 'What are you, a bunch of Jesus freaks?' Turner admonished. 'You ought to be working for Fox,'" said the statement. The blockage of the e-journal to AOL subscribers began the following week, officials said. "We applaud the efforts of thousands of our loyal readers on AOL. Without our knowledge, there was quite a protest brewing, and that protest has produced favorable results! For now, at least, the matter is resolved," Alexander said. The e-journal, which is compiled each week by an anonymous national editorial board, boasts "a wide spectrum of reliable information from reputable research, advocacy and media organizations." "Its content is carefully selected to provide constitutional conservatives with a brief, informative and entertaining survey and analysis of the week's most significant news, policy and opinion," said information posted at the e-journal's website. The e-journal is free to subscribers and is sent out twice per week -- on Tuesdays as a "Federalist Brief" and a full edition every Friday. Alexander said editors do not give out or sell subscriber names and e-mail addresses. Jon E. Dougherty is a staff reporter and columnist for WorldNetDaily, and author of the special report, "Election 2000: How the Military Vote Was Suppressed." A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) - MN: US CO: Black Helicopter Invasion
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:39:36 -0500, Amelia [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article 005a01c026bb$6f04cfa0$6369a3d8@pavilion, which said: -Caveat Lector- These fly-over searches are routinely done in the area where I live in NE AL. The ones here use a type of infrared scanner to detect the pot because the vegetation is so dense. Interestingly, it is also virtually impossible to tell pot from okra at any distance at all so it is sometimes intermingled. Maybe those folks in Colorado should develop a taste for okra. Also hibiscus has the same leaf pattern. They cannot scan without the help of the sensors here. Isn't this illegal searching? They will hover so low they terrify animals and stir up dust, etc. Having a greenhouse, I seem of particular interest to them. Supposedly, they can detect one plant per acre of vegetation their sensors are so sensitive. What a waste of time/money/effort. Yep. Those black helicopters certainly can't be cheap to operate, maintain and staff. And now that the drug prohibition, new world order, one world government (aka global governance) and UFO/alien stories all have something in common, one has to wonder about the TRUE effects of marijuana -- like its eye-opening properties that make you look around and wonder what the hell you've been doing with your life -- how you could have been so blind as not to see the obscenely obvious. Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] (Fwd) - MN: US CO: Black Helicopter Invasion
-Caveat Lector- Forwarded E-Mail Message Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:36:38 -0700 MN: US CO: Black Helicopter Invasion -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MAPNews) posted: Newshawk: Colo. Hemp Init. Project http://www.levellers.org/cohip Pubdate: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 Source: Boulder Weekly (CO) Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Address: 690 South Lashley Lane Boulder, CO, 80303 Fax: (303) 494-2585 Website: http://www.boulderweekly.com/ Author: Wayne Laugesen BLACK HELICOPTER INVASION Two black helicopters hovered over Ward last week, terrorizing the townsfolk below. A mass hallucination? Too much ganja? Unfortunately, no. The unmarked helicopters were real and it was, in fact, a government mission to spy on the public. It was invasive and scary. Paranoid Patriots had it right all along: Government really does spy on the public from black helicopters. Only it's not the United Nations working toward a "new world order." Instead, it's your friendly neighborhood cops teaming up with Army troops to look for pot plants. Holly Hughes was at the park with two small children the afternoon of Tuesday, Aug. 29, when the helicopters came to town. "I was at the park and these things came up and started circling," Hughes says. "It made me want to duck for cover, essentially, and I didn't know if I was safe to be there with the children. It was a beautiful sunny day and I looked up at them and there were no markings. They're totally black just totally ominous looking. It really scared me. They were very low." Hughes tried to calm the frightened children and distract them from the helicopters. But they were too close, too loud and too scary for the fun to go on. She took the kids to the library for cover. "You're playing, you're having a good time, and every time they took a turn the blades did this loud 'thud, thud, thud, thud' noise, and it sounded like gunfire," Hughes says. "They just kept going in circles and circles for hours. It was a real invasion of privacy." Hovering Hueys The Bell "Huey" helicopters belong to the Colorado Army National Guard, stationed at Buckley Air National Guard Base in Denver. They arrived at the Boulder Airport the morning of Aug. 29 to pick up two sheriff's detectives from the Boulder County Drug Task Force. Detective Joe Burtness rode in a "black helicopter" and says it was actually a very dark brown. The helicopters, each carrying a detective, flew over Lafayette, the immediate Boulder Airport vicinity, Nederland and Ward a sleepy village of mountaineers who've left civilization for serenity and peace. Flying at low altitude, the detectives examined fields, private yards and even front and back porches for marijuana plants. It was Det. Burtness's first helicopter drug mission. He was merely following orders, and says it was fun. "I saw a black bear on the back side of one of the Flatirons," Burtness says. And he saw pot with his naked eye. He found plants growing in a field near Lafayette and in another field near the airport. Drug Task Force agents on the ground harvested and destroyed the plants. Authorities have no idea who was growing them. "The National Guard routinely does these fly-overs in cooperation with local law enforcement," says Det. Bob Whitson, supervisor of the Boulder County Drug Task Force. "In rural areas, particularly in eastern Colorado, it's fairly common to find that someone has gone into the middle of an irrigated corn field and cleared space to grow marijuana plants. The farmer usually doesn't know it's there, because you can only see it from the air." While hovering over Ward, Burtness spotted pot plants growing on a family's front porch. He doesn't know how closely the helicopter was to the house, but again he spotted plants without visual aids. Burtness radioed sheriff's deputies on the ground and the two choppers hovered while awaiting their arrival. "We hovered closely enough that we'd see it if someone tried to grab the plants before the ground crew arrived," Burtness says. Deputies pulled up in a van and approached the home to make contact with the occupant. They confiscated 19 plants from the front and back porches. "The owner was very cooperative with us, and he allowed us to go into the residence," Det. Burtness says. "We didn't have a warrant, and in those situations we always make sure the occupant knows it's voluntary to let us in." Inside the house, officers confiscated eight more plants, bringing the total to 27. Occupants of the home told officers the plants were strictly for personal use. "That's what they were claiming, and we have no information they were distributing or planning to distribute," says Whitson, adding that charges against the occupants are pending. "Can you believe they send up armed men in helicopters to go after someone's personal head stash?" said a Ward resident at the Glacier Gateway General Store. "It seems like a lot of taxpayer expense to confiscate a few
[CTRL] (Fwd) - MN: US CO: 2 PUB LTE - Black Helicopters
-Caveat Lector- Forwarded E-Mail Message Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:50:09 -0700 MN: US CO: 2 PUB LTE - Black Helicopters -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MAPNews) posted: Newshawk: Colo. Hemp Init. Project http://www.levellers.org/cohip Pubdate: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 Source: Boulder Weekly (CO) Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Address: 690 South Lashley Lane Boulder, CO, 80303 Fax: (303) 494-2585 Website: http://www.boulderweekly.com/ Authors: Rob Graffis, Laura Kriho BLACK HELICOPTERS Wayne Laugesen's article "Black helicopter invasion" was a good report on how the federal Drug Enforcement Administration, local law enforcement and the National Guard team up to fight the war on cannabis in Boulder County (Wayne's Word, Sept. 7-13). Laugesen reports on one recent day in Ward when the Boulder County Drug Task Force, hovering in unmarked helicopters, spied and confiscated 27 cannabis plants from one house. I can't imagine how much it costs to run a helicopter and personnel eight hours a day for a two to three month harvest season, but you can be assured your tax dollars are working hard. Surely, it must be worth your money to confiscate 27 plants from someone's personal stash? The DEA's cannabis eradication program is in full swing in Colorado. I've heard complaints from all over the state about low-flying, unmarked helicopters terrorizing people, children and animals. But what is it that they are really eradicating? A 1998 Vermont State Auditor's report evaluated the DEA's Cannabis Eradication/Suppression Program. The Vermont report revealed that over 99 percent of the 422,716,526 total marijuana plants eradicated nationwide by the DEA in 1996 were "ditchweed." The DEA defines ditchweed as "Wild, scattered marijuana plants (with) no evidence of planting, fertilizing or tending" what we call "industrial hemp." While marijuana contains from 4 to 20 percent THC (the psychoactive chemical), industrial hemp or ditchweed contains less than 1 percent THC. In fact, industrial hemp that was recently confiscated illegally by the DEA from Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota contained less than 0.01 percent THC. The Vermont Auditor's report found that the DEA spent over $9 million on marijuana eradication efforts in all 50 states in 1996. (This figure does not include the cost of state and local participation.) So most of the money spent on the war on cannabis really goes to eradicate ditchweed, not commercial marijuana. I would like to ask the Boulder County Commissioners how much local taxpayer money is spent on eradication programs, and do they think the programs are worth the cost? County Commissioner Paul Danish has been an outspoken critic of the war on drugs, and many people would like to hear his assessment of the issue. For more information on this issue, see www.norml.org, www.mapinc.org/drugnews and www.levellers.org/cohip. Laura Kriho, Nederland Regarding Wayne Laugesen's article about the black helicopters over Ward, I'm not really surprised that the National Guard would issue two military "huey" helicopters and two detectives from the Boulder County Drug Task Force so they can look for marijuana plants growing on people's front porches. Detective Burness thought the helicopter rides were "fun," and was excited he "saw a black bear on the backside of one of the Flatirons." I'm impressed, especially when it comes at the tax payer's expense. In 1989, I was visiting a relative in the U.S. Virgin Islands. I saw a military helicopter hovering over his property, and he casually told me it was a "marijuana helicopter." St. Croix is a small island which is only about 25 miles long and 5 miles wide, and frequently visited by hurricanes. It is a speck compared to Puerto Rico, and a molecule compared to Jamaica. It is not exactly the stuff marijuana export islands are made of. True, some people do grow it there, but mostly for themselves, not for export. During that visit, I walked through "the bush" with some friends of mine. We came across a quarter acre field that was bulldozed to the dirt. Some locals explained that the authorities found marijuana there, and took it upon themselves to not only remove the plants, but to plow it (including a small building that was on the premises) to set an example. I was wondering how much money is spent on these joyrides just so officials can hold up a couple of marijuana plants for a newspaper photographer and say "We're winning the war on drugs"? Rob Graffis, Boulder __ Distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. --- MAP posted-by: Richard Lake A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are
[CTRL] US CO: Editorial: Clinton's Wrong War
US CO: Editorial: Clinton's Wrong War URL: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v00/n1330/a06.html Newshawk: Sledhead - VOTE Patrick L. Lilly, Colo. Senate, Dist. 12 Pubdate: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 Source: Denver Post (CO) Copyright: 2000 The Denver Post Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Address: 1560 Broadway, Denver, CO 80202 Fax: (303) 820.1502 Website: http://www.denverpost.com/ Forum: http://www.denverpost.com/voice/voice.htm CLINTON'S WRONG WAR Sept. 7, 2000 - President Clinton is dragging the United States into another country's civil war. Clinton would be far wiser to invest $1.3 billion in reducing U.S. demand for cocaine than to squander the sum arming Colombia's military. Many aspects of America's purported war on drugs are preposterous, but none is more absurd than using military force to solve what essentially is the medical problem of addiction and the economic reality of supply and demand. However, the Clinton plan expands the long-standing silliness to disturbing proportions. Colombia's civil war has festered for decades. All sides have committed human rights abuses, and all sides have profited from the cocaine industry. Yet Clinton justifies sending helicopters and other weapons to Colombia by claiming that another democracy has asked for help and the United States must respond. In truth, the American arms will be useless against drug lords, safely shielded in their urban mansions, and most likely will be aimed at defenseless rural peasants. Already, Colombia's military has a horrible track record of murder and torture. While the drug cartels also have their own terrible history of similar crimes, there is no excuse for law enforcement ever to engage in such thuggery. Yet the Clinton plan does nothing to stop the Colombian army's human rights abuses. Moreover, after criticizing nations like Iraq for using biological warfare, the United States is poised to commit much the same offense. Into Colombia's spectacular mountains and forests, the Clinton administration plans to introduce a new fungus, which supposedly will infect only cocaine plants. However, there apparently is no objective research on the fungus' long-term effects, especially on the peasants whose farms will get sprayed. Nor are there solid guarantees that the fungus won't ever attack other native plant species. True, the drug trade also is destroying Colombia's ecosystem, cutting down rain forests to make room for coca fields and indiscriminately applying herbicides to maximize cocaine production. However, the drug gangs that commit such sins are criminals, and Uncle Sam supposedly is not. Clinton insists that he is not pulling the United States into "another Vietnam." But in making that statement, Clinton either has become deaf to history's lessons or he is deliberately misleading both the American and Colombian peoples. MAP posted-by: Richard Lake A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] (Fwd) - MAP: Drug Reformers Compared to Pedophiles and Rapists
Forwarded E-Mail Message Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:30:11 -0500 MAP: Drug Reformers Compared to Pedophiles and Rapists -- - Original Message - Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 7:57 AM Subject: Drug Reformers Compared to Pedophiles, Rapists on Capitol Hill This is from last year, but, I have never read it. Check it out! http://www.ndsn.org/SUMMER99/CAPITOL1.html Supporters of Drug Policy Reform Should Be Considered for RICO Prosecutions; Compared to Pedophiles and Rapists at House Hearing CAPITOL HILL Summer 1999 At a House hearing titled "The Pros and Cons of Drug Legalization, Decriminalization and Harm Reduction," Rep. Bob Barr (R-GA) suggested that federal racketeering (RICO) laws should be used to prosecute persons who advocate reform of drug policies. The hearing in the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee's Subcommittee on Criminal Justice, Drug Policy and Human Resources was chaired by Rep. John Mica (R-FL) on June 16. NewsBriefs staff attended the hearing (Christopher Wren, "The Opposing Camps Square Off at a Congressional Hearing About Drug Legalization," New York Times, June 20, 1999). Gen. Barry McCaffrey, director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy, testified under oath that medical marijuana initiatives are "sheer buffoonery from an ivory tower." He said, "We're getting rolled in the public arena by very clever people." McCaffrey said there is "a carefully camouflaged, well funded, tightly knit core of people whose goal is to legalize drugs in the United States." McCaffrey assured the subcommittee that "I am not open-minded about drug abuse in America." "We don't debate the pros and cons of rape or child abuse," said Rep. Mark Souder (R-IN), who expressed anger that the hearing was called. "We don't bring rapists in here to explain their views" (Frank Davies, "GOP Stands Firm Against Drug Legalization," Miami Herald, June 18, 1999). When asked whether he saw any difference between advocates for legalization and advocated for pedophiles, Donnie Marshall, Deputy Administrator of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), responded that he did not see a difference. Some Republicans pressed McCaffrey to redirect ONDCP's $185 million anti-drug media campaign to counter medical marijuana initiatives in several states. "We can't go head to head with a referendum," responded McCaffrey, citing legal obstacles with using tax dollars to combat a citizens initiative (Laura R. Vanderkam, "McCaffrey resolute: No pot as medicine," Washington Times, June 17, 1999, p. A6). Several advocates of drug policy reform testified: Ira Glasser, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), David Boaz, executive vice president of the CATO Institute, and Scott Ehlers, then-senior policy analyst at the Drug Policy Foundation. "The Government has demonized all drug use without differentiation, has systematically and hysterically resisted science and has turned millions of stable and productive citizens into criminals," Glasser testified. The hearing prompted an editorial from the Salt Lake Tribune: "Given the nature of the hearings, the most serious failures of the lengthy war on drugs received short shrift or were not even mentioned." The paper wrote, "Unlawful searches, abnormal prison sentences and illicit property seizures are tolerated even endorsed as necessary for a war the government is no closer to winning than it was 30 years ago. The United States never has been engaged in a real war with such disastrous losses. No foreign power has even been able to divorce American citizens from or limit the individual liberties this nation's founders said were inalienable. The drug war has created no victors, but has left a plenitude of losers, not least of whom are the citizenry who have been forced to finance it and have seen their liberties tweaked to the point that their lives and property can be stripped from them at the caprice of any government agency if it invokes the drug war" (Editorial, "Lost War on Drugs," Salt Lake Tribune, June 25, 1999). Rep. John Mica, Chairman, Subcommittee on Criminal Justice, Drug Policy and Human Resources - B-373 RHOB, Washington, DC 20515, Tel: (202) 225-2577, Fax: (202) 225-1154. Rep. Bob Barr - 1207 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515, Tel: (202) 225-2931, Fax: (202) 225-2944. Rep. Mark Souder - 109 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515, Tel: (202) 225-4436, Fax: (202) 225-3479. Gen. Barry McCaffrey - Office of National Drug Control Policy, 750 17th St., NW, 8th Floor, Washington, DC 20006, Tel: (202) 395- 6618, Web: http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov.. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a
Re: [CTRL] MAP: Drug Reformers Compared to Pedophiles and Rapists
Supporters of Drug Policy Reform Should Be Considered for RICO Prosecutions; Compared to Pedophiles and Rapists at House Hearing CAPITOL HILL Summer 1999 At a House hearing titled "The Pros and Cons of Drug Legalization, Decriminalization and Harm Reduction," Rep. Bob Barr (R-GA) suggested that federal racketeering (RICO) laws should be used to prosecute persons who advocate reform of drug policies. Only Bob Barr could come up with something like that, and frankly, I'm surprised to even hear HIM say something like that. I know I don't have to point this out, but this is his advocation of making certain thoughts a crime. Gen. Barry McCaffrey, director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy, testified under oath that medical marijuana initiatives are "sheer buffoonery from an ivory tower." He said, "We're getting rolled in the public arena by very clever people." McCaffrey said there is "a carefully camouflaged, well funded, tightly knit core of people whose goal is to legalize drugs in the United States." McCaffrey assured the subcommittee that "I am not open-minded about drug abuse in America." Well, that pretty much sums it up. McCaffrey's made his mind up, and as long as he's the McCzar, he's going to ignore the people. Thank goodness he's nearing the end of his term -- that is unless Clinton pulls some stunt to give him an excuse to declare a national emergency and keep both himself in power and to avoid prosecution by all the people who are snarling at the ends of their leashes to go after him for all the corruption in his administration. Of course, McCzar would stay in office, too. If Al Gore wins and grants Clinton a pardon, Clinton will move to Oxford, England just to be safe. Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] War on Drugs - Florida Lawyer Wins Case, Sets Precedent - AMAZING STORY!!!
Forwarded E-Mail Message Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:27:42 -0500 MAP: Fw: Judge nullification -- "Dave Michon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted: THE LAW MADE HIM DO IT Fla. Lawyer Wins Case, Sets Precedent Sylvidaga, Florida. Aug. 31. When Elmer Lamont Davis was caught red-handed last year by county, state and Federal law enforcement unloading a shipment of Colombian raw opium worth an estimated $2.4 million in the U.S. black market, he was certain that his career as a drug smuggler was over and that he would be doing a minimum of ten years in a Federal prison before even becoming eligible for parole. That was before he hired the flamboyant and controversial Sylvidaga attorney Dudley Shanks, Jr. to represent him on the dozen or more felony charges he faced. Last Friday, Elmer Davis walked out of court a free man, all charges against him dismissed. And Dudley Shanks promised that the authorities had not heard the last of either his client or himself. "We plan to sue for damages," Shanks told reporters after the case against his client was thrown out. "The U.S. Government is the guilty party in this case. They should be held accountable for what they tried to do to my client." Soon after he first met his client, Lawyer Shanks realized that he faced a challenging defense. "They had him dead to rights," Shanks said to reporters after the case was dismissed. "He was guilty as hell and everybody knew it. He was headed for some serious time." In addition to Davis' signed confession and the testimony of eight accomplices against him, authorities provided the testimony, backed up by audio and video surveillance tapes, of three undercover agents who had been part of Davis' lucrative drug smuggling operation. And Davis' prior criminal record of more than two dozen arrests and half a dozen prior felony convictions was certainly nothing in his favor either. Things looked dark for both attorney and client - until Dudley Shanks decided upon an innovative and highly risky legal gambit that has legal experts everywhere shaking their heads in disbelief or admiration. "Hell," said Shanks after the fifteen minute trial before the judge was over, "we didn't have anything to lose. Elmer was toast anyway. So I said to myself, why not give it a shot?" The shot that Dudley Shanks fired may prove to be one heard around the entire legal world. For he won his client's freedom by persuading the judge that the law and not his client was the guilty party. Dudley Shanks fought the law - and Shanks won. The basis of Shanks' unusual defense was brutally direct and to the point. "Your honor," he is reported to have said, "my client did just what the state is saying that he did. And he has done a lot more that he has never been caught doing and will never be charged with. He has broken more of these laws than you can shake a stick at. He is a guilty man. "But the question, your honor, is what made him do what he did? He did it for money, plain and simple. No ifs, ands or buts. Drug smuggling pays well. Too well. It corrupted my client. If it hadn't been so profitable, he wouldn't have done it. Elmer Davis was a law-abiding man until the profits he could make running drugs went through the roof. He couldn't stop himself. He tried, but he just couldn't. How could any red-blooded American who saw a chance to make the kind of bucks my client could make, possibly refuse? He couldn't. Drug running is just too well-paid. My client gave in. He admits it. He would do it again tomorrow if he could. "Your honor, let's face facts. The war on drugs is a failure. I know it, you know it, everybody knows it. Even the people in D.C. know it. But nevertheless it keeps on going. The war is lost. It has been lost. People are going to use drugs. It is a natural tendency. Everybody does it. They have a right to do it. Nobody can stop it. But they keep trying to stop it anyway, and the result is that people like my client give in to temptation. They become smugglers in spite of themselves. They don't want to, they fight against it, the hate themselves while they are doing it, but they can't help it. My client is ashamed to say that he has even killed some men -he won't tell even me how many- in the pursuit of his trade. He had to. What could he do when they ripped him off? Call the police? The men he murdered were also casualties of the ill-conceived, wasteful and destructive War on Drugs. The U.S. Government might as well ahve put them up against the wall and pulled the trigger itself. "My client is guilty, your honor, but he is also innocent. In fact he is a victim. My client Elmer Davis is a helpless victim of the War on Drugs. Because if there were no war on drugs, he wouldn't be standing here before you today, guilty as charged. "Your honor, the law made him do it."
Re: [CTRL] Give up guns, or go to war? What do you think?
On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 18:14:12 -0400, Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: Involuntary - I like Baby Bush for some reason and do not believe he will back off his promise never to permit our troops to wear UN uniforms...remember, the suddenly he was almost run over by a dump truck? I fear for his safety; for I see in Clinton and Gore the take over of honest businessmen by organized crime.Larry Flynt - make it look like he nearly died for freedom of speech? It was DRUGS. This is Dixie Mafia, low class Dixie Mafia and I believe Carter was in on the take too - look at Billy Beer and his poor nephew who was friend to Charles Manson.they speak of the poor with great compassion - but, see Al Gore Slum Landlord of America? Yeah. Slums. Al Gore's idea of "affordable housing for everyone". Sothis is organized crime taking over America.off with the old on with the newthis is not New World Order, this is Fascism in the name humanity and boy - since when did Camelot turn into World Dictatorship? Well, I think there are people who want a NWO of control and legislation with power in the hands of a few, while there are others (like myself) who want a NWO of freedom and no organized power, but individual sovereignty. Right now, America and much of the rest of the world is a gigantic pimple that's about to come to a head and bust like a packet of cinnamon roll icing. I think as that happens, people who experience it will remember what caused all of this in the first place -- one person or group of people imposing his/her views on other groups of people. Once the dust settles and the pus dries, I think individual sovereignty will be the one thing we all cherish more than anything. I think such a time is coming fairly soon. This I prefer cold war to peace? And if we have to have a dictatorship, I want a real Monarchand if I knock of 100,000 or so people I could get big piece of the rock. So I ask you Involuntary.who was Charles Manson's Mentor? Give Us Barabas? I don't know much about Manson. I prefer John Gotti to Clinton. Well, I do to, as a matter of fact. I'd rather have the leaders of drug cartels and the Mafia bosses running the USA than what we have up there now. At least drugs, porno, gambling and prostitution would all be legal. It would be a paradise! If it was like that, they could make laws against saying anything bad about the government because if that was legal, what would be left that's bad to say about them? :-D Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Give up guns, or go to war? What do you think?
On Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:28:09 -0400, Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: One thing, sometimes it takes a crook to catch a crook - maybe that old like by hook or crook, we get them all in the end for I still believe in the ballot box Not I. I mean, if you look at the underhanded tactics being carried out on the world scene, how the hell can anybody believe in the ballot box? I think most of politics, debates and media appearances are carried on as a front to what's going on behind the scenes. I think the ballot box is the biggest sham of all, but I think many people continue to believe in it because, they think it's the only power they have. However, these discussions do raise awareness, which is very important. If the voting system is corrupt, raising awareness won't change the outcome of elections, but at least people are aware of it. Being taken by completely by surprise is the worst thing that can happen to a person. Having long been aware of the problems, people will be more prepared to deal with anything that happens in between. Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Woman protests restroom arrest
On Sun, 3 Sep 2000 01:00:27 -0700, nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: Peace does not come from within every single person. Even in totally egalitarian societies where neither status nor poverty nor prohabition exist to motivate predation, And where do such societies exist? Perhaps some people are psychotic because they feel too restricted by the society that has been engineered. Being born into a freer society might result in less psychosis. As one who has been through psychosis, I can say that my biggest perception of the world while in a state of psychosis was the world was too restrictive and too judgmental. Therefore I stand by my opinion that in order to have peace, men must change within their hearts to be non-judgmental and permissive. I'm speaking from personal experience. People would also need to be more accepting of death. The fact that we have funerals and that we bury the dead indicates that we do not handle death well. Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] School bans Boy Scouts recruitment
On Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:20:39 -0500, Mark McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: Many facile authoritarians tend to focus on one thing because of their inability to deal with complex issues. In the instance discussed above, the Super doesn't seem too simple. He appears to be a smart schemer, depriving the Scouts of the right of speech and association by using a very narrow legalistic attack on those beliefs with which he disagrees. He gets to ignore all the educational benefits of Scouting, a key criterion of his school district's solicitation policy. I tire of the fevered egos that possess most of these censors. The solution, of course, is to start the Gay Boy Scouts. I wonder if it would cause the Boy Scouts and the Gay Boy Scouts to fight like the Catholics and Protestants fought in Ireland. Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] U.N. Summit Document: Expand U.N. Power
On Sun, 3 Sep 2000 15:15:04 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: U.N. Summit Document: Expand U.N. Power The document calls for the increased capacity for the U.N. to conduct peacekeeping operations, the timely paying of U.N. dues, Or "taxes" in other words. The document calls for the ratification of seven existing treaties, including the Rome Statutes of the International Criminal Court, the Ottawa Treaty banning land mines, the Kyoto Protocols on global warming, the Convention on Biological Diversity, the Convention to Combat Desertification, the Convention on the Rights of the Child, and the Optional Protocol on the Involvement of Children in Armed Conflict. The document calls for one new treaty a Convention Against Terrorism - and a world conference on nuclear disarmament. What? No Convention to Promote the Persecution of Drug Users? The draft document will concern many. If they come to pass, some of the ideas in the draft document will cause problems in the coming years. That much is certain with any new arrangement. I'm all for a world government as long as it doesn't suck away any more personal freedoms, gives back freedoms that were stolen from us, or result in each person paying obscenely higher taxes. Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] School bans Boy Scouts recruitment
On Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:01:12 -0500, Mark McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: I believe the name "Boy Scouts" has some sort of legal protection. The gays could call their organization the Rump Rangers. ;) Heheh... I think I've heard that name someplace before. Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] From: Joey
On Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:47:51 -0500, Alamaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: From www.wsws.org WSWS : News Analysis : North America : US Elections The US elections: Lieberman's holy war against the Bill of Rights By Barry Grey 1 September 2000 Back to screen version Speaking on Sunday, August 27 at the Fellowship Chapel Church in Detroit, Democratic vice presidential candidate Joseph Lieberman declared, the Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. So he wants to make it illegal and declare it unconstitutional to be an atheist? In the face of scattered criticism of Lieberman's Detroit speech, Gore defended his running mate, while Lieberman himself said he would continue to preach from the campaign stump, calling his invocation of God and religion the American way. Maybe Lieberman is the guy who, according to Biblical prophecy, wants to set up a "one-world religion". The implications of Lieberman's Constitutional claims However limited the motivations behind Lieberman's preachments, his claim that the Constitution does not guarantee freedom from religion has far-reaching implications. He himself is, in all likelihood, incapable of conceiving of the political consequences that can result from prominent political figures trifling with such core Constitutional issues. On its face, Lieberman's interpretation of the First Amendment prohibition of state support for religion is inane. There cannot be freedom of religion without the right to be free from religion. The conceptual foundation for all democratic rights to free thought and expression is undermined if the secularist basis of the state is removed. Well, he's a politician and he thinks like one -- in a convoluted, sneaky and twisted way. He probably hasn't even read the constitution, only the Bill of Rights. But Lieberman's cavalier attitude does not alter the fact that his attack on the secularist principle embodied in the First Amendment places a question mark over the legal foundation for a host of democratic rights, from the right to abortion to such issues as gay rights, divorce, equality of the sexes, and basic matters of privacy. A critical aspect of the Constitutional separation of church and state is the right to be left alone, i.e., to be free from the intrusive meddling of organized religion or the state into one's private affairs. If, as Lieberman claims, the Constitution does not guarantee freedom from religion, then what is to prevent the state from imposing its concept of morality, based on religious beliefs, when it comes to sexual practices between consenting adults, personal relations inside and outside of wedlock, the teaching of evolution, or the content of the books, films, plays and music made available to the public? They want to be like China and everything must be government approved -- from video games to dildoes -- nothing over 4 inches. Not only atheists, but also religious agnostics would be potentially subject to legal sanction or discrimination on account of their beliefs. The government could demand to know one's attitude toward God, or toward a specific religion, and one could be punished for not professing a belief in God or adherence to a particular faith. There would be nothing in the Constitution that in principle protected a person from being fired from his job because of his ideas on religion. Nor would there be a Constitutional barrier preventing the state from taxing the populace to support religions institutions. Gee, and I always thought it would be the other way around -- that those who believed in God would be punished because of there faith, and that only atheists would be the free ones in the country. However, I would like to bring up my experience in being called for jury duty last year. You're required to state your name, some other information -- and your religious affiliation. I proclaimed myself "Individualist". I have reasons to believe in psychic impressions of what's going on in a room and after saying "Individualist" I felt awfully hot. Maybe it was because I know that most people proclaimed themselves to be Baptists (I live in the Bible Belt) and probably would disapprove of someone who is an "individualist". Lieberman, in defending his views on religion and political affairs, has repeatedly stressed the role of religion in establishing a unifying ethical principle among the American people. He may sincerely believe in this conception. That, however, does not detract from the fact that his notion of the role of religion is reactionary, and reflects ignorance of the history of American common law and the evolution of the democratic principles that were laid down in the Constitution and subsequently expanded. In other words, Lieberman is ignorant in that he seems to be either unaware that this has never worked before, or he plans to use
Re: [CTRL] Give up guns, or go to war? What do you think?
On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 04:43:07 EDT, Bob Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: Involuntary wrote: (c) If laws are enacted, and if cops or militaries try to take guns from militias, the militias will fight back with everything they have, possibly even attempting a coup at the White House. Are there really that many militias out there? Surely they wouldn't have the strength to attack the White House. Well, you never know what kinds of homemade tools they might have. Do you remember the movie "Tank" with James Garner? I don't remember the plot exactly, but I do know that there was a point in the movie where there was a standoff between James Garner in his Sherman tank against the city's police force. The military was there, too. For some reason, the police chief gave an order to fire weapons into a crowd of civilians. At that, the military troops were ordered to aim their weapons at the cops. I haven't yet listened to the program Jean recommended on Jeff Rense's website with retired General Glenn MacDonald on military corruption, but I can't help but think that if the government and police suddenly "attack" the citizens, the military might take the side of the people and fight against the police and government on our behalf. Perhaps I'm just naive or starstruck by the movie "Tank". I'm not depending on it, however. I'd rather die than have things continue on their present course. If drastic and sudden change or conflict is coming, I'd be excited to see it. At the same time, I don't want to have glass rods shoved into my penis and have them beaten with hammers, either. The government would be crushed. Who is going to fight??? Clinton, no way he's a coward. Clinton is a liar. Al Gore has no integrity. I think Bush has character and integrity, but I think he's going to be a willful puppet. The Illuminati will accomplish more with George W. Bush in the White House than they accomplished with any previous president. With George Bush Sr. in the background and his legacy of touting a New World Order, well, that should spell it out. Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Woman protests restroom arrest
On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:25:11 -0700, nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: Police are brutal (and corrupt) because the rest of us permit it. Probably because when you protesteth, you're shot in the face with pepper spray and pelted with rubber bullets. How do you suggest we proceed to stop police brutality? Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Seven More Deaths in Columbia Due to War on (Some) Drugs
Source: Fox News Channel - Bottom of the Hour News Brief An American plane used in Columbia's war on [some] drugs has crashed, killing all seven passengers on board. The plane smashed into the side of a mountain in Bogota. It had been providing support to ground troops fighting leftist rebels. The Columbian military says the plane was not shot down. Instead, the military blames the crash on poor visibility. -- Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Gays announce new words to be hijacked
On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:23:55 -, Johannes Schmidt III [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: This frightening story is from www.chaser.com.au, an Australian news magazine. I have censored some rude words for the more sensitive on the list, but those who find such things distasteful are warned to stop reading now! Are you usually this frightened by comedy and satire? Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fox: Budget Battle Bodes Badly for GOP (shutdown looms)
On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 01:41:53 -0700, MICHAEL SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: From: http://www.foxnews.com/elections/090100/budget_fnc.sml Budget Battle Bodes Badly for GOP September 1, 2000 The budget battle brewing between President Clinton and congressional Republicans had the GOP heading into dangerous territory Friday scrambling to avoid a government shutdown and make it home to their districts for the crucial fall campaign season. How the hell can they be in danger of a shutdown, while having an x-trillion dollar surplus? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Woman protests restroom arrest
On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 19:46:16 -0700, nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: How do you suggest we proceed to stop police brutality? By creating a society in which there is no division between civilians, military and police because all three are subsumed by the citizen's militia. I don't see that happening, and if it does happen, I don't see it lasting. Men's hearts have to change. Peace can't be legislated and peace can't be maintained through fear. Peace does have to come from within each person. David Arkenstone said it best in his CD "Citizen of the World": "I like to think that we, as individuals within a global society, are approaching the end of the line. The end of lines on maps. The end of lines drawn defiantly in the sand. The end of lines carved into our landscapes that become etched into our hearts. The end of lines that cause separation and suspicion and lead us to invent such words as geopolitics and xenophobia. An end to the lines and barriers that cause You and Me to think in terms of Us and Them. "I look forward to the day when children can study a globe where land masses are free of the quiltwork of colors that imply isolation and conflicting points of view. I anticipate a time when the Great Walls crumble and flags are regarded as historical artifacts. I imagine a moment when the final stamp in every passport bears the words of 19th century poet James Russell Lowell: "Before Man made us citizens, great Nature made us men." "Perhaps such thinking is simply a fanciful creation of a musician's over-amplified imagination. Perhaps. Meanwhile I choose to explore and expand the common links of our collective home through music. In so doing, I embrace the notion that I can be a Citizen of the World." So when I envision a world with militias, I envision a world with flags, armies, guns, symbols and guarded peace. Perhaps we'll pass through a time like that. But I'm looking forward to a time when we can have all the things we have now -- flags, guns and symbols, and yet know in our hearts that these are just items and they don't define us unless we, as individuals, allow it. Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Woman protests restroom arrest
On Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:07:33 -0400, Richard Sampson [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: http://www.cincypost.com/news/toilet083000.html C I N N A T I P O S T Police Specialist Charles Taber is known as one of Cincinnati's finest - except at the Hamilton County Courthouse where he arrested a female custodian who refused to let him use a closed bathroom. I just got back from a vacation through the northeast USA and having a passenger with me who needed to "go potty" every 20 minutes due to his unceasing guzzling of liquids (even guzzling while complaining that it was taking me too long to find a "peepee spot") I can personally say that in some parts of this country, people apparently do not use the restroom in public places. In New Jersey, 7-Eleven claimed not to have a restroom. At the next place we stopped, he claimed the restrooms were for employee use only. Finally we found a grocery store, but by then he was nearly drunk with urine overflow. It finally got so bad just finding a place to go that we started pulling into parking lots and he'd simply relieve himself in a dark corner. I'd try to find a proper place for him to go, but there were times it was so bad he started to hate me and said that he didn't care if he got arrested -- he really had to go. Well, if you gotta go, you gotta go. Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pediatrician = Pedophile?
On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:47:43 +0200, J Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article 000901c01445$1a72bd40$e0eb1ec4@privateu, which said: Thursday 31 August 2000 'Ignorant' paedophile slur By Richard Savill Daily Telegraph: Paedomania A PAEDIATRICIAN said yesterday that "total ignorance" was behind an attack on her home by vandals who mistook her for a paedophile. I remember a news story from probably a year or two ago, in which a couple of men broke into a house and beat a man to death after finding his address on a website where the names, pictures and addresses of child sex offenders was posted by order of some state law. Come to find out, they beat up the wrong man, who IIRC, was either disabled or retarded. Indeed, a child molester had once lived there, but had moved and the website was not updated. Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Give up guns, or go to war? What do you think?
Well, as anybody on this lists knows, an individual's right to bear arms is in danger. What do you think will happen? (a) If laws are enacted, people will give their guns up to the government. (b) If laws are enacted, people will not give up their guns and police will have to enter homes and take them by force. (c) If laws are enacted, and if cops or militaries try to take guns from militias, the militias will fight back with everything they have, possibly even attempting a coup at the White House. (d) If (c) happens, then individuals not belonging to a militia might join the fight and start another war, this time between citizens and the government and law enforcement. I'm thinking along the lines of C and D, myself. Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New information on NWO progress
On Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:42:21 -0500, Jean Staffen [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: http://broadcast.com/shows/endoftheline/00archives.html Suggest you might want to visit the above site and listen to what Joyce Riley had to say on the Jeff Rense Show on August 31st. The whole thing? Or is there a certain time index I should look for? Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New information on NWO progress
On Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:42:21 -0500, Jean Staffen [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: Suggest you might want to visit the above site and listen to what Joyce Riley had to say on the Jeff Rense Show on August 31st. I also listened to the one from August 24, "Jim Marrs - Who Really Runs the World" and I must say, why does so much have to happen on one little planet? Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:20:35 -0400, Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: You made me really wonder here, involuntary - about use of medical marijuana and what it really does. Feds say no medicinal value? Maybe that is true; but, nicotine is a drug used in medicines, but forget what for. What you said made me wonder..some people go through chemotherapy and feel pretty good; others become very, very ill and are given medication now with the therapy. What if marijuana just relaxes people - for it is said stress can really cause cancer victims unheard of problems. Well, that's one of my main positive points about marijuana. It's a stress reliever, and yes, stress does cause health problems. That much has been proven. Know two women who went to chemothrapy dailyeach continued to work daily - while others had really adverse reactions. What if marijuana relaxes a person, relieves the stress, creates a sense of well being, and at no cost if you can grow it free..but one there was a patent pending on first marijuana cigarette - was aware of this in 1972 but never checked it out, for had no reason. I think it boils down to money. Companies aren't interested in selling products you can grow for free, but oddly enough, they do it with tomatoes, oranges, apples, plums, cattle, etc People would buy commercially grown marijuana as long as there are no nasty additives added to it. But they want a PATENT, and quite frankly, I'm surprised if they can't get one. These genetic research companies are getting patents for the genetic code they engineer. If I go to a geneticist and get, say, green eyes instead of blue, I guess basically that company owns the rights to my green eyes. So.Zoloft - a drug to improve serotonin to do with neuro transmitterssupposedly eat a banana or potatoes have same effect. I have noticed that eating a banana does revitalize me. I thought it had to do with the potassium, though. I really wonder about this because going through some of the treatments for cancer - this is a traumatic experience and stressful. Well, I don't know about cancer, but in the case of AIDS, marijuana works becasue it allows the patient to keep his medicine down because the nausea is relieved by getting high. AIDS patients can gain weight because the marijuana causes the munchies, giving AIDS patients ravenous apetites, and that's what they need. Good nutrition and a way to keep the food down. Marijuana does both for them. What if marijuana just releases the stress which reduces some of the side effects? The man who died recently who could not smoke marijuana - how horrible - his life was made a living hell, and something that could have given him an easier path to follow was denied. So guess marijuana is illegal because like butterflies, it can be free in your own back yard. Probably so. One of the things is that these pharmaceutical research companies say that smoking anything isn't good. But they NEVER bring up that you can simply eat cannabis right off the plant, fresh, like the herbs basil, dill weed, thyme and others. Cannabis doesn't have to be smoked to be effective, but smoking it does result in the quickest effects. These pharmaceuticals want to take the marijuana and make it into a patch, while still keeping the plant itself illegal. It's obvious that they want to keep their cash registers ringing. If I'm not mistaken, it's illegal to grow your own tobacco, and it's illegal to make some kinds of alcoholic beverages. These companies want to do it for us so we can pay them. Marijuana patches or pills won't be as effective as a smoke. Swallowed Marinol would take a couple of hours to kick in, if you could hold it down that long. Smoking a few puffs causes the effects to kick in in only 5 to 10 minutes, then you swallow your meds and they stay down. Am still stashing up on the catnip and maybe I make a catnip cigarette and find some marijuana and give it a try. If you've never tried pot, you might not like it so much the first time. I didn't really care for it the first time. I just felt sort of light, like I was sort of filled with helium. After about the third or fourth time, I started liking it because I realized I wouldn't turn into a lunatic. Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and n
Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:37:31 -0400, Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: It may be your fancy treatment of this wild plant is not what it craves - for catnip like marijuana, grows wild and free (in more ways than one). I have another 7 packets of seeds. Perhaps I'll throw some out next spring and see what happens. Get some mud, old fashioned mud and see what happenscatnip is legal but maybe the feds never saw a cat higher than hell rolling around on ground in catnip patch? No, but I have a cat and I'd like to see that happen. :-) So it is the smellwith marijuana it is something in the dead leaves? Wonder what would happen if you made marijuana tea. "They" say that cannabis is only fat soluble so making tea isn't very effective. I don't happen to believe that. I'd think that you'd get SOMEthing out of it. I imagine that making chicken broth with it for a hot chicken broth or bouillon drink might be the way to go. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:48:01 -0700, nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I'm growing some catnip now. Jeez, that stuff is hard to grow! I've had some sitting out in some potting soil for months and it's barely grown an inch. You are keeping your cats away from it, right? Yeah. I think it may have something to do with this drought-stricken Texas heat. I keep them watered, but a couple of times the soil has dried out. If it's not watered at least every three days, the soil gets as dry as a bone. As for the cat, she's an indoors only cat -- never goes out, and in fact, if you try to open the door with her in your arms, she crawls up on your neck and holds on for dear life. Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] (Fwd) - MN: Colombia: 6 Kids Die In Crossfire Between Troops, Rebels
All in the name of eliminating drugs from society... Pubdate: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 Source: Chicago Tribune (IL) Copyright: 2000 Chicago Tribune Company Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Address: 435 N. Michigan Ave., Chicago, IL 60611-4066 Website: http://www.chicagotribune.com/ Forum: http://www.chicagotribune.com/interact/boards/ 6 KIDS DIE IN CROSSFIRE BETWEEN TROOPS, REBELS MEDELLIN, COLOMBIA- A school group got caught in a crossfire between Marxist rebels and army troops Tuesday, leaving six children dead and five injured, a medical official said. The children, aged 6 to 13, had been strolling in the countryside on a school trip near the town of Pueblo Rico in Antioquia province when shooting erupted between an army unit and guerrillas from the National Liberation Army, or ELN. An army officer accused the ELN, Colombia's second largest guerrilla force, of using the children as human shields after two of their fighters were killed in a battle earlier in the day. There was no independent confirmation. The casualties in Pueblo Rico capped a wave of violence between insurgents and security forces Tuesday morning in which at least 10 rebels and an army captain died, authorities said. "The tragic toll is six children dead, including two brothers ages 6 and 10," said regional hospital spokesman Martin Mora. In the last 10 years, Colombia's civil conflict, which began in the mid-1960s, has killed more than 35,000 people. Most were civilians. Another 1 million have fled. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this
On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:34:31 -0400, Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: Oh yes - it is grown in Canada in farmers' fields, in forests, in backyards and in homes. I didn't hear this military story. Ty, could you provide a source for your story? Thanks. Here you go... Also have a look at another story I just posted about the six kids who were killed in Columbia. Newshawk: Carey Ker Pubdate: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 Source: National Post (Canada) Copyright: 2000 Southam Inc. Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Address: 300 - 1450 Don Mills Road, Don Mills, Ontario M3B 3R5 Fax: (416) 442-2209 Feedback: http://www.nationalpost.com/commentary.asp?s2=letters Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/ Forum: http://forums.canada.com/~nationalpost Section: Page A1 Author: Peter Morton FIVE ACCUSED OF USING ARMY TRUCKS TO SMUGGLE POT WASHINGTON - Five Canadians, including a military reservist, have been charged with drug smuggling after two Canadian military vehicles were employed to ship more than US$1-million of "B.C. Bud" marijuana across the U.S. border. Authorities in both countries said it would be the first time a Canadian military vehicle has been used to bring large amounts of drugs into the United States. "This is a new one for us," said Captain Bob Lanouette, a spokesman for the Canadian Armed Forces National Investigative Services. He called the incident "extremely disturbing" and said Sergeant Sten Sture Strom, a member of the reserves from a base in Richmond, B.C., will likely face criminal charges in Canada. The five, along with two Americans, were arraigned in a Seattle court yesterday after a drug-sniffing dog found 240 pounds of high-potency marijuana in five duffel bags hidden in one of the Canadian military vehicles trying to cross the border at Blaine, Wash. The marijuana sells for as much as US$5,000 a pound on the American market. American customs officials became suspicious of the two military vehicles on Aug. 12 when they arrived at the busy border crossing in the early evening, claiming to want to pick up a broken-down Canadian military truck in nearby Ferndale, Wash. Canada and the United States routinely have joint military exercises in the region, especially in the winter, but one American official said the border agents on both sides are always notified in advance. In this case, the Americans were not told Canadian military vehicles would be crossing that night. In an affidavit filed in a Seattle court, United States drug agents said Sgt. Strom drove the first vehicle, a military tow truck, while the second vehicle, described as a military utility truck, was driven by Brent Sheldon Rusnak, a Canadian civilian dressed in a military uniform with someone else's name tag. After the two were arrested, United States drug enforcement agents said in court filings yesterday, Sgt. Strom agreed to co-operate and told the agents about a pre-arranged pick-up point in a shopping mall in Blaine where he was to be paid US$16,000 to deliver the marijuana. Two agents, wearing the Canadian Army uniforms, are alleged to have driven the Canadian military vehicles to the mall, where Robert Ralph Lauren, a third Canadian, was arrested. Authorities claim he unloaded the marijuana into a rented mini-van. U. S. drug agents said their investigation was helped when a cellular phone seized from Mr. Lauren began ringing. United States Customs claims the caller was worried about the delay and asked that the marijuana be delivered to an underground parking lot at the Courtyard Marriot hotel in Seattle. "Customs and DEA agents took the marijuana to this location and arrested four more suspects -- two U.S. citizens and two Canadian citizens," U.S. Customs said. Arrested were Yoshi George Yamada, Roderick Arthur Brennan, both Canadians, and Wesley Dean Antholz and Erin Nicole Harms. Mr. Antholz and Ms. Harms are American. All have been charged with importing and distributing drugs. Capt. Lanouette said the Armed Forces has launched its own investigation to find out how the military vehicles managed to leave the 12th Services Battalion in Richmond. The seizure comes at a particularly sensitive time after the Canadian government managed to convince Congress not to go ahead with a controversial proposal to demand more paperwork at the border from Canadians, something that could have tied up the border crossings for hours. In addition, United States Immigration and Customs services have been complaining to Congressional committees that the B.C.-Washington border is becoming increasing popular with drug and people smugglers as well as terrorists. Last December, Ahmed Ressan, an alleged Algerian terrorist, was arrested at B.C.-Washington border with what police claim was bomb-making material. __ Distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information
Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this
On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:16:25 -0400, Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: Okay Ty - I agree, but what is so dumb - you can grow that stuff free in your own bathtub? Yeah, that's true. But of course, it would be nice if it was legal to do so. I don't think most pot smokers actually want to break the law, but they like smoking up illegally than not smoking up legally. It grows wild and like herbs and natural medicines, many will be outlawed until they are synthenticized.then pay big bucks. Perish the thought! I don't mind if Pfizer grows my buds, but I don't want them ground into powder and shaped into a little pill! What a big price for Columbian Gold? Why is it so valuable? Because of the risks involved in trafficking it. Growers look at their past statistics and they know about how much will be confiscated by the cops. The more the cops confiscate, the higher the drug prices go. Of course, at the same time, drug dealers know that people will pay that for drugs, so besides the other factors involved, there's also a 2,500% profit to be made on drugs. I always shake my head when I hear about 6 pot plants uprooted with a street value of $24,000. Keep in mind that I've never seen a real, live marijuana plant, but 6 plants = $24,000??? Puhleeze! That's just insane! And people are winning insurance claims after the cops come in and steal their plants! I think that's great, but the value of the stuff still amazes me. How many pounds can be taken from a single plant? 1/4 ounce sold for $25 in Dallas about three years ago. So at those prices, if 6 plants can have a street value of $24,000, that means you can get 2.5 pounds of pot from one plant, selling for $4,000, or $1,600 per pound. Of course, buying that much at once usually gets you a bulk discount. A friend of mine got 1/4 pound (4 ounces) for $250. Don't worry. He's dead now so they can't hurt him. Anyway, Dallas prices were very cheap compared to other places in the country. Some places, 1/4 oz costs around $50 or $60. So if you consider that you can grow a marijuana plant to maturity in only a matter of 3-5 months, and considering that they're naturally pest-resistent, and the fact that the stuff can grow virtually anywhere, then the only reason left for the high prices is the fact that it's a black market commodity, and perhaps availability. Most people buy from a dealer. The few who grow themselves may value it with street prices, but in reality, since gardening is a hobby for many, and given that a little goes a long way with the stuff, the value of 2.5 pounds of pot probably isn't more than about $50. People who make a living at growing pot, though, will sell the stuff at street prices and make huge profits on only a few plants simply because they can sell for that price and people will pay it. If the stuff was mass produced by corporations on large farms, you could get the stuff for probably $5 per pound. Much better than the current $1,000+ per pound you pay now. Some people think that legal drugs selling for such a low price would result in people REALLY getting stoned. Not necessarily so. It simply means that people wouldn't have to spend as much to get their fix. Instead of spending $50 per month on a couple of quarters, they'd spend probably about $10.00 because I'd expect a huge tax to be put on it if it ever is legalized. That would make me happy to pay taxes on pot. I can't think of any pot smoker that wouldn't be happy because it would still mean an 80% drop in prices! I once had a little marijuana plant I cared for until I found out what it was and then I stopped watering it and it died and natural death and one day it was gone, and somebody had smoked it. You want marijuana? Grow your own, and roll your own. Next think they will be after the catnip and what will my cat do? Will they take her to the cat slammer? I'm growing some catnip now. Jeez, that stuff is hard to grow! I've had some sitting out in some potting soil for months and it's barely grown an inch. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A
Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this
On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:55:09 -0400, Ynr Chyldz Wyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article 00b001c0070b$dd86af40$01bdfea9@revcoal, which said: But that said, I don't cheer for either side; rather I weep over the fact that so much money and resources are being diverted over something that should be decriminalized; and that the 'War on Drugs' is a scam, a smoke-and-mirrors con game utilized to lull the public into sacrificing more and more of the public's rights as citizens. Pharmaceutical companies don't like the idea of legalized marijuana becasue it means that AIDS and cancer patients can hold their medicines down. Bristol-Meyers, Pfizer, Parke-Davis, etc... they love it when people puke up their medications. It means that people go through their medicines faster because who wants to swallow a pill that's been thrown up? Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:45:25 -0400, Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: Thank you Gremlinguess you have seen a few spooks in your day? I would like just once to smoke a marijuana cigarette, but I do not smoke.out of curiosity. I was terrified when the idea hit me that I might like to try it. I spent 2 months researching before I actually made the decision to try it. I read what DARE had to say about it, then looked at my friends who were smoking and none of them were exhibiting any of the effects that DARE said was caused by pot smoking. Plus, I looked at the history of prohibition. It seems that the reasons not to smoke have changed through the years. To me, that just meant they were making stuff up to get what they wanted, so I decided to try it, bracing myself for the onslaught of psychotic thoughts and raging horniness that would make me want to rape and kill anything in sight. First time, not much happened. I just felt kind of queasy, like I was having airtime on a rollercoaster. But by the third time, I realized that I wasn't going to become a psycho. In fact, just the opposite happened. I learned how to relax, where before I was just GO GO GO GO! I needed a dose of "amotivational syndrome". I still went, but I took the time to decide whether I wanted to "go" or not and if I didn't, I just stayed home and relaxed. Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] I have to ask this
I doubt anybody will respond, but I have to ask this. Do any of you cheer when you hear stories like the one about all that marijuana found on the Canadian military trucks? Yes, the smuggle failed, but do you cheer because of the attempt? I have to admit -- honestly -- I root for the smugglers and boo customs and border patrols every time they make a bust. I just had to get that off my chest. If any narcs are reading, I'd just like to say hello as a show of sportsmanship. :-\ Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] What the Hell is Going On???
You know, I used to wonder about certain things -- about whether it's really possible for there to exist in this world a truly evil force. I'm not talking about demons, vampires or supernatural spawns of Satan. I'm just basically talking about ruthless individuals who are capable of such mindblowing worldwide deception, enslavement and murder, likely all in the name of increasing their own wealth and power. I don't care about power, myself. I can't understand what pleasure one might get out of having control over large numbers of people. Having or wanting lots of money I CAN understand, just not the lust for power. I've asked others if there really could be people in the world who are working to enslave us all -- to ever increase the gap between the wealthy and the poor to such an extent where there is no middle class any more, and the poor literally cannot survive without the wealthy. Can there be people in the world who actually have that kind of vision, and who envision themselves on top of it all, and in, if not total control, then a major player in holding immense power? Then I started thinking -- what if the government and organized crime were working together? Already we have stories of the CIA, FBI and drug smuggling operations in Arkansas, which even Clinton may have been involved in as governor of Arkansas. There's a book about it called "The Boys on the Tracks" in which two boys were run over by a train. The engineer said he saw two boys laying on the tracks covered by some tarp. Depsite the loud train horns, the boys didn't move, the train couldn't stop, and they were hit. The police said the boys had gotten high on marijuana and didn't hear the train coming. But an investigative reporter found other evidence and was cut off by law enforcement at every turn. Check out the actual synapsis here: http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=3R7JU6FU2Imscssid=KGP682DTE0SR2JQW001PQUW69GDC37P2isbn=0312198418 So what if there IS some sinister plan that we're unaware of? As "we the people" we must play by certain rules. There are protocols for getting things done--for changing our government to what we want it to be. And at the same time, we have the World Trade Organization, which has the power to override all environmental and labor laws. It's an incremental acclimatization to an ever-increasing stranglehold. I have a feeling that the people in control of this charade understand human nature, too. They understand that a stressful society will cause increasing violence and mental problems. Is it any wonder, then, that Prozac sales have increased 5-fold in just a few years? 2.61 billion dollars worth of Prozac was sold in 1999, and 2 billion of that was in the USA alone! Ritalin is a big controversy, too, as boys are drugged into social compliance. So how do we know that the government and organized crime (which I can't tell much of a difference these days) are not working together to disarm the people? Then the only ones left holding guns are criminals, including the government who seems to be orchestrating this whole thing. Conspiracy theorists like to talk about "The Illuminati", too, as if it's some unseen secret government. HA! I don't think the Illuminati really exists as a seperate entity. I think it's, simply enough, the US government and the United Nations. They probably want China involved, too. Once China is in it, then taking over the rest of the world will be no problem at all. So what the hell is going on??? Even though I've been on these mailing lists for over three years, and even though I've been aware of all these ideas we toss around on these mailing lists, all of a sudden it feels like I'm waking up to something -- like maybe a nightmare. Like I got a dose of clarity and I'm left thinking... Holy God! People really CAN be that evil! Pinch me! Am I just dreaming?!?!? Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To
Re: [CTRL] What the Hell is Going On???
On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 07:39:35 -0400, Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: So TY you begin to see through the dark mirrorlike Alice in Wonderland? Things are not what they see to be? Yeah. I discovered that about the third or fourth time I got high. And it got progressively worse and I ended up in a mental hospital for about 3 weeks. After that it took me about two years to get my bearings back and I've felt pretty normal for the past year. I should also bring up that I did this without medications since I felt that medicating myself would simply cover up the problem, not solve it, and I definitely wouldn't be any stronger. It's as if I'm revisiting some of that old stuff, but with more clarity, more of a rational and stable mindset, more critical. Before, it was all so new, and yet as real as my own life that I went bananas for a short time. Where are the me of integrity and honor and noble statesmen we once had with a dream of Camelot that now turns into a Thule Society - and you kow, in the Thule Society there were Jews, Christians, and Masons? Have all these forces united not in the name of God, but in the name of Satan? For surely when we see Waco and Ruby Ridge and the Balkans and Iraqi children murdered - something is wrong. Yes. I've seen these kinds of things and I remember these kinds of things ever since I started paying attention to them around 10 or 11 years ago. I used to simply think that it was such a shame that the police, military and government had to be so fascistic about everything. I didn't know why. I just knew that I'd better not step out of line or I might be treated that way. So I guess now one might have to look at the similarities between the victims of police-state brutality and figure out what they all have in common. And yes, I think we already live in a police-state. It's just not as bad as it could get. Me, I have my bible code which is the Communist Timetable, now called more appropriately, the New World Order Master Plan for Murder Keyed to the Stars and the Testaments I've "heard" that you can't really predict anything with the bible code -- that you can only confirm what has already happened. Of course, Drosnin (sp) supposedly found Rubin's name before he was assassinated. So these people coming in for the kill once again like a Napoleon who met his Waterloo, and as Nixon met his Watergate - but the year of the real mellenium is 2001 - and we will see the Master Plan unfold once again and end the same way.the conspirators will die and we will always have, The Monarch in Waiting, the predators and albatross upon the back of the people. So you think it's going to hit the fan as we roll into 2001? Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What the Hell is Going On???
On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:52:46 -0400, Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: Didn't mean you personally Piper; for music we know can have a fatal attraction for it was a magic tune the Piper played. Well, like Jesus Christ, nobody will ever know if the pied piper ever really existed. Maybe they liked to "send a message" back then just like they do now. Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this?
On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:25:48 -0500, ThePiedPiper [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: E-Mails sometimes already have paid advertisements attached. Yes, if you use Yahoo Mail or some other free e-mail provider, they attach an advertisement. They probably attach an ad if you use a free ISP, too. I use Earthlink and they don't attach ads to e-mails, but I pay $19.95 a month for my service. Does an e-mail replace a letter? Does a Thank You phone call replace a Thank You note? Does a Thank You note replace a gift? Does a Gift replace the time spent delivering it in person? how much is your time worth and the person you are Thanking? If this is classed the same as a letter or otherwise it would prove that America has lost it's basic manners and worth. Or perhaps people need to get over themselves. I don't expect to be thanked in person. I don't have to be thanked at all, but if somebody wants to, an e-mail is fine with me. I don't want to be thanked as much as I would like to know if the item(s) I've given will be useful. If it is, I may send similar items. If I get no response at all, I may assume that the item wasn't useful and I won't send as often or I won't send the same types of items. What it boils down to is, I treat others how I expect to be treated. I don't need to be told "thank you" face to face, via letter as opposed to e-mail, or anything. Simply knowing the item was received and not lost somewhere is plenty for me. Therefore I feel somewhat uncomfortable when people hover over me expecting a thank you that I wouldn't want for myself. Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Interview: Ritalin Use Forced by Law
Interesting perspective that Dr. Peter Breggin has on Ritalin. Here's a quote that you will find in the interview below: DR. PETER BREGGIN - And what the medication basically does is crush spontaneous behavior. If you give stimulant drugs to animals -- we have hundreds of studies -- the animals stop playing. They stop socializing. They stop interacting. They also stop trying to escape. Basically, we make good cage -- Think the government wants to drug everybody into submission now??? By law? Hannity Colmes Tuesday, August 8, 2000 Fox News Channel SEAN HANNITY - Welcome back to "Hannity Colmes." I'm Sean Hannity. The latest debate over giving children mood-altering drugs like Ritalin has put parents and educators on opposite sides of the law. Kyle Carroll, a seven-year-old in Albany, New York was put on Ritalin after falling behind in his first grade class, but his parents took him off the drug because of the side effects that were happening with the child, including sleeplessness, and administrators at Kyle's school called Protective Services, if you can believe this, alleging child abuse. A family court judge then ruled that the boy's parents must continue medicating him, but they told them they could get a second opinion. Are drugs the answer when kids are acting up in school? And should courts have the right to force parents to put their children on these drugs, and are we overprescribing them? SEAN HANNITY - We're joined by psychiatrist Dr. Peter Breggin, is the author of the book "Reclaiming Our Children, A Healing Plan for a Nation in Crisis." Dr. Henry Paul; he's the author of the upcoming book "Is My Child OK," and he's a consultant for the New York City Administration for Children's Services. SEAN HANNITY - Alright, Mr. Paul, let me turn to you. In this particular case, [the] parents took him off th drug because of side effects of sleeplessness, appetite loss. It was their decision. They're the parents. It's a controversial drug. The use of it has become astronomical in just the last five years alone. Then for them to be -- for the teachers to call Special Services -- Social Services -- and accuse them of child abuse because they don't like that decision, and then a judge to mandate that the drugging of this child is nothing -- nothing short of state-mandated abuse. DR. HENRY PAUL - Well, it's not uncommon that schools will call doctors or foster agencies if it's a foster child and say, "Please put a child on Ritalin," which of course, it sounds absurd, but you have to remember that most of these parents are already involved in the foster system or with a state or local agency already been in some way allegedly neglectful of their child. It is very common. I -- I want to underline this. It's very --. SEAN HANNITY - Well we don't have that in this particular case. We don't know if there's any abuse here -- DR. HENRY PAUL - We don't know this case. SEAN HANNITY - But we do know this. We know that -- DR. PETER BREGGIN - There was nothing like that, Sean, in this case at all. That's -- that's throwing rocks at people he doesn't even know. These parents had no charged against them about anything. SEAN HANNITY - Dr. Breggin, this seems to me like an Orwellian Nightmare, that the state is going to tell you to give your kids drugs, then if you don't give them I assume the fear is that your children might be taken away from you. Is that a stretch -- of the imagination? DR. PETER BREGGIN - No. That's exactly what people are afraid of. It's really interesting what has happened. Our schools have basically become mental hospitals where the teachers diagnose, the psychologists diagnose, and then the nurses give the medication. And what the medication basically does is crush spontaneous behavior. If you give stimulant drugs to animals -- we have hundreds of studies -- the animals stop playing. They stop socializing. They stop interacting. They also stop trying to escape. Basically, we make good cage -- ALAN COLMES - Dr. Breggin, should kids never get Ritalin? Should nobody ever take it? Should no child ever take this drug? DR. PETER BREGGIN - I think it's a basic mistake. It's very much along the lines of severely beating a child. Should that ever be done? Can you get a result from severely beating a child? Well, you can get a result from doing that and you can get a result from giving Ritalin, but the result is subduing the child, not teaching the child self control. ALAN COLMES - Alright Dr. Paul, [he's talking about] never it. That's an extreme position. The National Institutes of Health says a study released last week shows that medication improves the ability of kids with Attention Deficit Disorder and hyperactivity. Is that -- DR. HENRY PAUL - Well, not only that, but let's just for a second, let's
[CTRL] U.K. e-mail snooping bill passed into law
Source: http://www.idg.net/crd_idgsearch_0.html?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Enwfusion%2Ecom%2Fnews%2F2000%2F0727snooping%2Ehtmlsc=47345469_114894 U.K. e-mail snooping bill passed into law By LAURA ROHDE IDG News Service, 07/27/00 LONDON -- The surveillance bill granting the U.K. government sweeping powers to access e-mail and other encrypted Internet communications passed its final vote in the House of Commons on Wednesday and is set to become law on Oct. 5. Among other provisions, the Regulation of Investigatory Powers (RIP) bill requires ISPs in the U.K. to track all data traffic passing through their computers and route it to the Government Technical Assistance Center (GTAC). The GTAC is being established in the London headquarters of the U.K. security service MI5 -- the equivalent of the United States' FBI. The House of Commons, which already passed the RIP bill earlier this year, voted to approve amendments added by the House of Lords on July 13. Mainly as a formality, the bill must now be signed by the Queen to receive its official passage into law with what is known as the Royal Assent. Some U.K. ISPs and civil rights organizations have argued that the amendments are mainly cosmetic and do not adequately address the "Big Brother" powers granted to the government to access e-mail and other electronic data without a warrant. Under the provisions of the RIP bill, the U.K. government -- specifically the Home Office and its head, the Home Secretary (a post currently held by Jack Straw) -- can demand encryption keys to any and all data communications, with a prison sentence of two years for those who do not comply with the order. Furthermore, if a company official is asked to surrender an encryption key to the government, that individual is barred by law from telling anyone -- including his employer, be it senior management or security staff -- that he has done so. Guidelines for this "tipping-off" offense, as it is known, could leave an international company completely unaware that what it assumes is secure company data may be under investigation by MI5. Those violating the tipping-off offense can face up to five years in prison. While U.K. employees are protected against the consequences of passing encryption keys or encrypted data to the government, that protection does not extend outside the U.K. to other jurisdictions, such as that of a parent company. Civil liberties organizations are worried that the government's e-mail interception bill will grossly encroach on privacy, while businesses fear the law will force e-commerce companies to move operations to other countries, such as Ireland, which do not have such restrictions. And ISPs in the U.K. are concerned that the cost of establishing the technology required by the RIP bill would be crippling. Some ISPs, including PSINet, have said they will be forced by the RIP bill to move their operations out of the U.K. altogether. On June 16, the House of Lords received an open letter signed by 50 organizations, asking that the bill be further amended or just plain scrapped. The letter, which in part reads: "We are deeply concerned that the bill will inhibit the development of the Internet and e-commerce," includes Esther Dyson, Consumers International and Amnesty International as signers. The amendments added by the House of Lords -- while not changing any of the major provisions in the RIP law -- give the government the discretion to allow companies to turn over printed text rather than encryption keys. Furthermore, as with telephone wire taps, the Home Secretary must now personally approve in writing all interception warrants as well as financial compensation for ISPs required to install monitoring equipment. During Wednesday's debate in the House of Commons, Home Office Minister Charles Clarke argued that the RIP bill will not harm e-commerce in the U.K., and that the law suffers primarily from a perception problem, caused mainly by alarmist reports in the media. "Given the comments made in the overseas media, we must explain clearly what the bill is and is not, and why we do not believe it poses a threat to e-commerce in Britain; on the contrary, it will help to achieve the government's aim of a strong and secure e-commerce economy, to which we are all committed," Clarke said to the House of Commons. Clarke emphasized that "propaganda is needed" to re-educate the public about the provisions of the bill and asked the House with help in promoting "the interests of this country's businesses when the time comes." The BBC has estimated that implementing the RIP bill will cost companies $69.9 billion over five years, a claim that Jack Straw vehemently denied in a letter sent to the Financial Times on June 14 and posted on the Home Office Web site. Some opponents of the RIP bill are pointing out that the technology provided for in the bill is already out of date and fairly simple to circumvent. In an article for New Scientist magazine,
Re: [CTRL] U.K. e-mail snooping bill passed into law
On Sat, 05 Aug 2000 09:45:43 -0500, Involuntary [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: U.K. e-mail snooping bill passed into law By LAURA ROHDE IDG News Service, 07/27/00 Under the provisions of the RIP bill, the U.K. government -- specifically the Home Office and its head, the Home Secretary (a post currently held by Jack Straw) -- can demand encryption keys to any and all data communications, with a prison sentence of two years for those who do not comply with the order. I know this is the UK and not Amerika, but if such a law is ever passed in the USA, that would be like "guilty just because you look suspicious". Furthermore, if a company official is asked to surrender an encryption key to the government, that individual is barred by law from telling anyone -- including his employer, be it senior management or security staff -- that he has done so. Guidelines for this "tipping-off" offense, as it is known, could leave an international company completely unaware that what it assumes is secure company data may be under investigation by MI5. Those violating the tipping-off offense can face up to five years in prison. Can you say, "international implications"? "Given the comments made in the overseas media, we must explain clearly what the bill is and is not, and why we do not believe it poses a threat to e-commerce in Britain; on the contrary, it will help to achieve the government's aim of a strong and secure e-commerce economy, to which we are all committed," Clarke said to the House of Commons. Monitoring corporate e-mail may secure e-commerce and prevent anti-competitive deviance in the business world, but how does monitoring the e-mail of individual citizens help anything? Clarke emphasized that "propaganda is needed" to re-educate the public about the provisions of the bill and asked the House with help in promoting "the interests of this country's businesses when the time comes." Talk about "in your face" bull malarky! Some opponents of the RIP bill are pointing out that the technology provided for in the bill is already out of date and fairly simple to circumvent. Hehehe. The pair also pointed out that "it is very unlikely that the government will install interception equipment at the many small ISPs since the overall costs of doing this will be high and the gains involved will be very limited. It is very likely that any interception capability will be at larger ISPs, and this means that using a small ISP can reduce the likelihood that e-mail is vulnerable to interception." I would say that the government should be forced to pay for all this monitoring equipment, but guess what... that means WE pay for it as people...we would PAY the government to snoop on us! That's like prisoners being forced to pay for their own prison stays...paying the state to subject them to prison rape and all other forms of inhumane treatment. It's the ultimate mindfvck. I can't remember what show I saw, but there was a bully messing with a kid and the bully told the kid to pay him for his lunch. The kid thought he could pay the guy and he'd get to keep his lunch, but the bully made the kid pay him to eat his lunch. There's no difference between that TV show and what's happening in the UK and in the prisons where prisoners pay for their own prison terms. In particular I'm talking about the non-violent "drug offenders" who have hurt no one. Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Vanishing Freedom: Who Owns America?
If you get Fox News Channel, Sunday night at 10:00pm/9:00pm Central, watch the program "Vanishing Freedom: Who Owns America?" Topics covered include: Private Lands no longer free for people to do with as they please when environmentalists come in to protect flies. In one case, a move was made to shut down an entire highway so a certain kind of fly wouldn't get splattered on windshields during mating season. Public lands owned by the public as undeveloped country free to be enjoyed are now in danger of being completely closed off, not only to motorized recreational activities, but even hiking. You might think that you could then see it from an airplane, but those against noise pollution are making a stink, too. Many other things... well worth watching. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Jesse Ventura - Have You Heard?!?!
-Caveat Lector- Jesse Ventura said that religion is a crutch for weak minded people who need their strength in numbers. He also said that if you buy an American flag, it's yours to burn. Jesse Ventura for President. Sounds like someone who thinks for himself. Involuntary DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Pot and Anti-Psychotic Prescription Drugs
-Caveat Lector- Someone in usenet asked this question and my response turned into something that I wanted to share here. Someone asked: Does anyone know what the interactions are between pot and psychiatric drugs, such as Ritalin or Prozac? I can't tell you how they react with each other, but I can tell you the difference in how they make you feel. When I was high everything *looked* different. That's not to say I was seeing different things, but my perception was different so that I could see and perceive more details, noticing things I had never noticed before. Being high made me more comfortable in reality, as if "everything is okay" which I think accounts for much of the feeling of deeper friendship among friends. My thinking was sharper. Ideas came more smoothly and with more clarity, though when I tried to express them, sometimes I would get lost during the explanation and eventually stop talking altogether. :-) That was part of the fun of it, too, because even though you might get lost and trail off, you know that you're not losing your mind. Coming down from a high is like being gently settled onto a pillow. There's no withdrawal and there's no craving for more weed unless you just want to do it. As for antipsychotic drugs, I've never had Ritalin or Prozac, but I have been given Risperdal and Chloropromazine (Thorazine). The effects are the exact opposite of what weed does. Where weed takes you to a peaceful and serene mode of existence, Risperdal, Chloropromazine and I suspect other anti-psychotics take you into a black hole of existence, where you're barely able to form thoughts, and even when you manage to, there's no inner dialog. It's like talking to someone, but getting no responseâjust a blank stare that doesn't even acknowledge your existence. When I was doped up on Risperdal or Thorazine either one, I was so out of it that I did anything I was told if for no other reason to avoid conflict. It seemed to make me weaker and at times I felt like I was in one of those nightmares where you're threatened somehow and it drains your very energy so that in a conflict you know you can't possibly offer any resistance. When you feel that way while on medication, and at regular intervals someone is shoving a pill cup in your face to make you take more, it is the lowest form of degradation there is, especially if you know you don't need the stuff. I wanted to think. But the medicine they wanted me to take prevented it. What's more, the most embarrassing moment of my life came when I literally could not talk within two days after they gave me Risperdal. They upped my dose to about three milligrams and about an hour and a half later I was called in to talk to the panel of psychiatrists. It started out okay, but I suddenly found that whenever I would try to talk, the muscle in my tongue pushed upward and I couldn't get my tongue off the roof of my mouth while I was talking. When I stopped, it dropped down. As a person who has never had trouble talking, and who always makes it a point to speak clearly to be understood, this was a situation that just made me crumble with shame because I did not have the power to bring myself under control. The side-effects of the medicine had me and I hated them all for giving it to me. Another person who I had met at the mental hospital from which we had been transferred was also given Risperdal. The effect on him was more horrid. He was outside and suddenly he was bent over forward and his neck went into a spasm that turned his head damned near all the way around. Nobody was touching him, yet he couldn't get out of that position. One of the staff members had to run in and get another pill to nullify the side-effects. Within 15 minutes he was okay. So my experience is one that wonders what the reasoning is behind keeping marijuana illegal. Marijuana never did these things to me. Marijuana never locked up my tongue. It never caused me to lose control of my muscles so that I was knotted up like a pretzel. Yet it's perfectly okay for psychiatrists to prescribe this garbage to people which turns them into mindless zombies. My roommate is a shining example. He was given Zoloft along with a host of other drugs when he was admitted to a mental hospital after having several delusions about UFO's, Witch Mountain (from the movie _Escape to Witch Mountain_), conspiracies, the secret government, God and Satan. The result was a person who walked with his lower arms and hands out in front of him at all times and he took little baby steps. So when you go to Alcoholics Anonymous they talk about self-medicating. In drug rehab I was forced to go to Alcoholics Anonymous meetings even though I hated alcohol and I didn't even drink. Even so, I knew where a Narcotics Anonymous meeting was at so I went there whenever I could, though mostly because it got me out of the place in which I was locked up. I only went into this place because it was either
Re: [CTRL] United States Patent 5,594,289 (2)
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:41:56 +1200, earthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article 000801befb25$4bd0f620$[EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: Hi this is the patent for that motor. My lord. I imagined a motor like that when I was a 16 years old in high school... that would have been about 1985/86. I figured that if I imagined it, somebody else had probably already invented it. I could have been a rich man by now. :/ Involuntary DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
