[CTRL] Fwd: [usa-tesla] Osama Bin Laden seems to be a Devil Worshiper
-Caveat Lector- This article from the London Telegraph is an old one, but I hadn't seen it before. kl --- Forwarded message follows --- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: TANMAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:14:25 -0600 (MDT) Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[usa-tesla] Osama Bin Laden seems to be a Devil Worshiper [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] Bin Laden Buys Child Slaves for His Drug Farms in Africa The world's most wanted terrorist pays Ugandan rebels one Kalashnikov rifle for every youngster they supply. The children are then used as forced labour on the Sudan marijuana fields that fund his terror network. Sunday Telegraph (London) March 28, 1999 By David Blair KAMPALA, UGANDA - Osama bin Laden, the world's most wanted terrorist, is buying child slaves from Ugandan rebels and using them as forced labour on marijuana farms in Sudan to fund his international terrorism network. New evidence indicates that bin Laden, who masterminded the bombings of the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania last August, has made Sudan the centre of his global empire. Sudan, whose Islamic government has close links with bin Laden, is the long-standing patron of the Lord's Resistance Army rebels who have abducted at least 8,000 children from northern Uganda since 1994 and forced them to serve as soldiers or sexual playthings. Others have been sold into slavery in Sudan in exchange for guns and ammunition. Brig Katumba Wamala, commander of the Ugandan forces fighting the rebels, said: We know that large numbers of children abducted by the LRA are being sold into slavery in Sudan. Many are bought by bin Laden, via Arab slave traders. Bin Laden is the main buyer of these children. He has very big marijuana farms in Sudan and he buys the children as slave labourers, said Brig Wamala. Evidence comes from children who have escaped the slave dealers. We have the testimony of abducted children and we also have intercepted radio conversations, said Brig Wamala. Radio intercepts show that bin Laden pays one Kalashnikov assault rifle for every child he buys. Joseph Kony, the LRA leader, is in desperate need of weapons and has recently complained of being cheated. It is on the record that Kony was complaining about the exchange rate. Once the Arabs gave him 98 guns for the 100 children he had given them. He complained very bitterly. It is a very lucrative business, said Brig Wamala. Ugandan intelligence sources have tracked the fate of children sold into the Sudanese slave trade. After being abducted, they are forced to march to Jabelin, the LRA's headquarters 34 miles south of Juba, the main city in southern Sudan. Here a selection is made on the basis of physical appearance, said the source. The girls and some of the boys are taken away for what is called special training. They are sold into slavery, while the rest are used as soldiers. Many of the girls are taken to Nsitu camp, 15 miles south of Juba, from where they are distributed to Arab slave dealers. Once sold, the children are taken to Juba airport and flown to other regions of Sudan. Both of these camps are supplied by the Sudanese government. According to a source who visited them in July 1997, Nsitu is less than 200 yards from a Sudanese army base. Within the perimeter of Jabelin camp, Sudanese government troops are housed alongside LRA rebels. Ugandan intelligence has monitored the close links between bin Laden and the Sudanese government. After being expelled from Saudi Arabia, bin Laden lived in Sudan from 1994 until 1996, said an intelligence source. He has a wide range of business interests there, covering farms, banks, factories and infrastructure. These are used to fund terrorism in Africa and elsewhere. The marijuana farms worked by bin Laden's child slaves are located in the Nile Valley, north of Khartoum. In the same area, he has several large sunflower plantations, where slave labour may also be used. Ugandan intelligence believes that bin Laden has invested pounds 30 million in front organisations for his terror network. He has also helped to finance major infrastructure projects in Sudan. Uganda believes that bin Laden's web of terror is aimed at toppling African governments, as well as striking at British and American interests worldwide. Sudan has offered itself as a training ground for terrorists. We know of 17 terrorist training camps and the target is to install Islamic fundamentalist governments in east and central Africa by 2002, said the source. That is why bin Laden is helping them to sponsor rebels and kidnap and enslave our children. 1999 Sunday Telegraph 2001 iAbolish.com All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy. --- End of forwarded message --- There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. When there aren't enough
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [usa-tesla] Osama Bin Laden seems to be a Devil Worshiper
-Caveat Lector- On 25 Sep 2001 at 14:06, thew wrote: Where does the devil enter into this? -- --- - I dunno - it wasn't my title - I just forwarded the article.-- Best Wishes Men are whipped oftenest who are whipped easiest. -Fredrick Douglass Most people who are murdered worldwide each year did not have access to a firearm. Be safe, pick one up today join the NRA! Most reporters are very sympathetic to gun-control agendas and will skew or lie outright about facts to promote them. - DENNIS CAUCHON, USA TODAY No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. -Thomas Jefferson, Proposed Virginia Constitution (1776). No kingdom can be secured otherwise than by arming the people. The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. He who has nothing, and who himself belongs to another, must be defended by him, whose property he is, and needs no arms. But he, who things he is his own master, and has what he can call his own, ought to have arms to defend himself, and what he possesses; also he lives precariously, and at discretion. -James Burgh, Political Disquisitions: Or, an Enquiry into Public Errors, Defects, and Abuses, London, 1774 None but an armed nation can dispense with a standing army. To keep ours armed and disciplined is therefore at all times important. -Thomas Jefferson, Third President of the United States, 1803 Not everyone with a gun is a bad guy. Not everyone without one is a good guy. A bad guy without a gun can still do a hell of a lot of damage. A good guy without a gun can't always stop it from happening. - Arthur C. Clarke Michael Kube-McDowell in The Trigger, 1999, p. 441 (paperback edition) One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them. -Thomas Jefferson, Third President of the United States To George Washington, 1796 One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purpose without resistance is, by disarming the people, and making it an offense to keep arms. -Joseph Story, U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1811 - 1845 People who object to weapons aren't abolishing violence, they're begging for rule by brute force, when the biggest, strongest animals among them were always automatically 'right.' Guns ended that, and social democracy is a hollow farce without an armed populace to make it work. -L. Neil Smith, _The Probability Broach_ Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. -Mao Tse-Tung (1893-1976) Q. What do you call a society where the government has all the guns? A. A police state. Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentis telum est (A sword is never a killer, it's a tool in the killer's hands) ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca the younger ca.(4 BC - 65 AD) R.J. Rummel's book, Death by Government (ISBN 1-56000-145-3), reveals that during the 20th Century, in countries where only the police and military may own military-style assault weapons, about 4,650 innocent citizens were killed PER DAY by their OWN police and military. Hmmm Even after adjusting for the fact that the U.S. is only about 1/25th the world population, and even if you include all other firearms (which are much more commonly used by criminals than the 'evil' assault weapons), a 20th Century Earthling still was about five times more likely to be killed by his government, than by a criminal. Failure to grasp this simple truth reveals that the enlightened among us who want to compromise, and develop reasonable further gun control laws... ~ Anonymous Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon -- so long as there is no answer to it -- gives claws to the weak. ~ George Orwell Taking a long view of history, we may say that anyone who lays down his arms deserves whatever he gets. -Jeff Cooper That don't bring nobody to mind. A funny lip? --someone. Wasn't always like that. I shot 'im in it. --John Wayne. In the lower lip? What was you aimin' at? --someone. His upper lip. --John Wayne. -from _True Grit_ [The American Colonies are] all democratic governments, where the power is in the hands of the people and where there is not the least difficulty or jealousy about putting arms into the hands of every man in the country. [European countries should not] be ignorant of the strength and the force of such a form of government and how strenuously and almost wonderfully people living under one have sometimes exerted themselves in defense of their rights and liberties and how fatally it quarrels, wars and contests with them. -George Mason, United States Congress From Remarks on Annual Elections for the Fairfax Independent Company quoted from the Papers of George Mason, 1725-1792 edited by Robert A. Rutland, 1970 The balance of power is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay
Re: [CTRL] The Obscure Goat Story Of 9/11
-Caveat Lector- On 25 Sep 2001 at 13:59, William Shannon wrote: . * Webster's Dictionary, 1913 [underlining added]. ** Roget's Thesaurus, 1911, search results for somber [underlining added]. Now it appears that the somber reaction of President Bush is perhaps more revealing than at first glimpse. If the President briefly turned somber and spoke briefly and somberly about the terrorist attacks, then the reporters were describing both his demeanor and speech as being shadowy, obscure, dark, unreal, without light, and suspicious. Was this a mistaken word of description, or were they accurately reporting what they saw and observed? http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary I guarantee this is more current than the 1913 version you quoted. I'm sure it isn't news to you that the meanings of words changes over time. Main Entry: som·ber Variant(s): or som·bre /'säm-br/ Function: adjective Etymology: French sombre Date: 1760 1 : so shaded as to be dark and gloomy **2 a : of a serious mien : GRAVE b : of a dismal or depressing character : MELANCHOLY c : conveying gloomy suggestions or ideas ** 3 : of a dull or heavy cast or shade : dark colored - som·ber·ly adverb - som·ber·ness noun My assessment is that the writer was describing his speech and demeanor as serious, grave (maybe even melancholy). -- Best Wishes Men are whipped oftenest who are whipped easiest. -Fredrick Douglass Most people who are murdered worldwide each year did not have access to a firearm. Be safe, pick one up today join the NRA! Most reporters are very sympathetic to gun-control agendas and will skew or lie outright about facts to promote them. - DENNIS CAUCHON, USA TODAY No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. -Thomas Jefferson, Proposed Virginia Constitution (1776). No kingdom can be secured otherwise than by arming the people. The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. He who has nothing, and who himself belongs to another, must be defended by him, whose property he is, and needs no arms. But he, who things he is his own master, and has what he can call his own, ought to have arms to defend himself, and what he possesses; also he lives precariously, and at discretion. -James Burgh, Political Disquisitions: Or, an Enquiry into Public Errors, Defects, and Abuses, London, 1774 None but an armed nation can dispense with a standing army. To keep ours armed and disciplined is therefore at all times important. -Thomas Jefferson, Third President of the United States, 1803 Not everyone with a gun is a bad guy. Not everyone without one is a good guy. A bad guy without a gun can still do a hell of a lot of damage. A good guy without a gun can't always stop it from happening. - Arthur C. Clarke Michael Kube-McDowell in The Trigger, 1999, p. 441 (paperback edition) One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them. -Thomas Jefferson, Third President of the United States To George Washington, 1796 One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purpose without resistance is, by disarming the people, and making it an offense to keep arms. -Joseph Story, U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1811 - 1845 People who object to weapons aren't abolishing violence, they're begging for rule by brute force, when the biggest, strongest animals among them were always automatically 'right.' Guns ended that, and social democracy is a hollow farce without an armed populace to make it work. -L. Neil Smith, _The Probability Broach_ Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. -Mao Tse-Tung (1893-1976) Q. What do you call a society where the government has all the guns? A. A police state. Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentis telum est (A sword is never a killer, it's a tool in the killer's hands) ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca the younger ca.(4 BC - 65 AD) R.J. Rummel's book, Death by Government (ISBN 1-56000-145-3), reveals that during the 20th Century, in countries where only the police and military may own military-style assault weapons, about 4,650 innocent citizens were killed PER DAY by their OWN police and military. Hmmm Even after adjusting for the fact that the U.S. is only about 1/25th the world population, and even if you include all other firearms (which are much more commonly used by criminals than the 'evil' assault weapons), a 20th Century Earthling still was about five times more likely to be killed by his government, than by a criminal. Failure to grasp this simple truth reveals that the enlightened among us who want to compromise, and develop reasonable further gun control laws... ~ Anonymous Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon -- so long as there is no answer to it -- gives claws to the weak. ~ George Orwell Taking a long view of history, we may say that anyone who lays down his arms deserves whatever he
Re: [CTRL] CTRL Digest - 24 May 2001 (#2001-222)
-Caveat Lector- onsubscribe -- If you have two cents, use one to attract great riches. With the other, buy hyacinths for your soul A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: John Pitner update
for such a dastardly deed? Six months in federal prison and an undisclosed fine. Is this a harbinger of things yet to come? Unfortunately I believe so. As for being released, yes I too would be definitely overjoyed at the prospect of my release from this oppressive cement box. But I am afraid that is not going to happen if it means compromising my position to fight against the scurrilous rot that plagues this country. It would have been so very easy just to have copped a plea at the outset of this tribulation, thereby affecting my release over a year ago. But I just could not bring myself to do so, for there is so much more involved in this battle than the mere question of my innocence or guilt. I know there are a lot of sheeple, patriots and others who think that I am crazy, or suffer some inordinate desire to be a martyr, but nothing could be further from the truth. The truth is, put simply, I abhor the twisted mindset of the sons of dogs whose sick insatiable quest for wealth and power methodically destroys the hopes, dreams and thereby, lives of countless innocent victims, through their stealthy cunning theft of our God given rights to freedom and liberty. I, like many others before and after, took an oath to serve and defend the Constitution of this country against all enemies, foreign or domestic, which I considered to be a great honor as well as my duty. I know also that many others felt the same way and even died in fulfillment of that oath. Knowing that oath to be good for life, I nevertheless reiterated it seven years ago, adding to it a vow to do all within my power to stop those who's aspirations are to destroy our Constitution, thereby enslaving and oppressing the good people of this nation, dead in their tracks. This fact now leads me to my most current dilemma of know many good people within the patriot movement seem to be so oblivious to the extreme importance of this case, and all the ramifications it entails. Not only is this case proof positive of just how arrogant and corrupt the federal government along with it's judicial branch have become, but it is a tailor-made opportunity for all professed patriotic individuals to publicly get in their face and expose the very powers that seek to destroy the foundation of our freedom and liberty; Our Constitution and Bill of Rights. The numerous blatant vicious and heinous anti- Constitutional machinations of these globalist tyrants are all too apparent when confronted by the detailed evidence of their bogus charge, i.e. overall conspiracy to defend the United States against UN foreign invasion), and actions, the illegal search of my home without a warrant, my kidnapping and subsequent initial faux-trial, where they shamelessly used perjured testimony to indict, tampering with evidence, the knowing use of perjured testimony on the stand, on and on add nauseum. The next trial will serve to dramatically heighten the public awareness to just now far these traitors will go to silence those who are insolent enough to expose their evil aspirations. Our power to do so will be in direct proportion to those who are also willing to become embroiled in this battle. Therefor I am earnestly, and most humbly, asking for any help that can be mustered for this upcoming battle on November 27th. Please! And remember, we are also dealing with a newly elected administration, which gives us a new chance to gain Constitutional ground and show them who the real boss in this country is. --- For those wishing to correspond with John Pitner, his address is: John Pitner 26151-086/EC-23 c/o FDC Seatac P.O. Box 13900 Stattle, WA 98198 His father can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge John C. Cougenhour can be reached at 1010 5th Avenue Seattle, WA 98198 - Enjoy a 90 day free trial subscription to the E-mail edition of the Vigo Examiner. You will receive up to three of our top stories, editorials or letters each day. Send your trial subscription request to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kathleen The underlying principle behind today's government is guys with guns. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let
[CTRL] Fwd: Debate the Constitution
-Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 10:20:03 -0700 To: undisclosed recipients [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Debate the Constitution In case you missed this point last night, search the debate transcript for "constitution", and you'll find: Bush - "I believe that the judges ought not to take the place of the legislative branch of government, that they're appointed for life and that they ought to look at the Constitution as sacred." Gore - "And, in my view, the Constitution ought to be interpreted as a document that grows with our country and our history." IOW: Bush intends to uphold the Constitution, Gore intends to change it. My opinion? It's a no- brainer. "The Constitution wasn't perfect, but it's better than what we have now..." and if we hang onto it for four or eight more years that at least buys us some time to try to turn our country around. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/debates/transcripts/u221003.html ~Olga -- Kathleen A once-proud profession has become all tabloid, all the time. A profession mostly respected in the past, which once informed, now titillates. The most outrageous untruths and inaccuracies are tolerated, even promoted, so long as they ratify the favored myth, be it Camelot or liberalism. --Cal Thomas A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Fascism with a smile
"I flung open one of the doors," Gross writes. "And there sitting at a typewriter and smiling back at me, I saw myself." Over the years, Gross had helped draft such Big Government legislation as the full-employment bills of 1944 and 1945, and the Employment Act of 1946. "I sought solutions for America's ills ... through more power in the hands of central government," Gross admits. "In this I was not alone. Almost all my fellow planners, reformers, social scientists, and urbanists presumed the benevolence of more concentrated government power." But they were wrong. Gross realized that centralized power was, in fact, the linchpin of tyranny. "Big Business-Big Government partnerships ...," he wrote, "were the central facts behind the power structures of old fascism in the days of Mussolini, Hitler and the Japanese empire builders. ... I see Big Business and Big Government as a joint danger." If only the Clinton cheerleaders were capable of such introspection. Gross died in 1997. But his spirit lives on, a fading spark of leftwing conscience, unsung and unheeded in the mad rush to the Third Way. Richard Poe is editor of FrontPagemag.com. For more information about Poe and his work, visit RichardPoe.com. Copyright © 1999-2000 by Richard Poe -- Kathleen Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is two wolves attempting to have a sheep for dinner and finding a well-informed, well-armed sheep. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] INVASION OF SWAT TEAMS LEAVES TRAUMA AND DEATH
-Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:24:13 EDT Subject:INVASION OF SWAT TEAMS LEAVES TRAUMA AND DEATH To: undisclosed-recipients: ; INVASION OF SWAT TEAMS LEAVES TRAUMA AND DEATH Source: Los Angeles Times Published: September 22, 2000 Author: Sharon Dolovich Alberto Sepulveda is no Elian Gonzalez. When 11-year-old Sepulveda was shot and killed last week by a SWAT team member during an early morning drug raid on his parents' Modesto home, the story barely made the papers. Yet, as did the Immigration and Naturalization Service raid on the Gonzalez home in Miami in May, the killing of Alberto Sepulveda highlights a troubling trend in law enforcement: stealth raids on the homes of sleeping citizens by heavily armed government agents. Such raids are the hallmark of police states, not free societies, but as a growing number of Americans can attest, the experiences of these two boys are by no means isolated incidents. Just ask the widow of Mario Paz. She was asleep with her husband in their Compton home at 11 p.m. in August 1999 when 20 members of the local SWAT team shot the locks off the front and back doors and stormed inside. Moments later, Mario Paz was dead, shot twice in the back, and his wife was outside, half-naked in handcuffs. The SWAT team had a warrant to search a neighbor's house for drugs, but Mario Paz was not listed on it. No drugs were found, and no member of the family was charged with any crime. And then there is Denver resident Ismael Mena, a 45-year-old father of nine, killed last September in his bedroom by SWAT team members who stormed the wrong house. Or Ramon Gallardo of Dinuba, Calif., shot 15 times in 1997 by a SWAT team with a warrant for his son. Or the Rev. Accelyne Williams of Boston, 75, who died of a heart attack in 1994 after a Boston SWAT team executing a drug warrant burst into the wrong apartment. SWAT teams, now numbering an estimated 30,000 nationwide, were originally intended for use in emergency situations, hostage- takings, bomb threats and the like. Trained for combat, their arsenals (often provided cut rate or free of charge by the Pentagon) resemble those of small armies: automatic weapons, armored personnel carriers and even grenade launchers. Today, however, SWAT units are most commonly used to execute drug warrants, frequently of the "no-knock" variety, which are issued by judges and magistrates when there is reason to suspect that the 4th Amendment's "knock and announce" requirement, already perfunctorily applied, would be dangerous or futile, or would give residents time to destroy incriminating evidence. California is one of few states that does not allow no-knock warrants. But the fate of Alberto Sepulveda--who was shot dead an estimated 60 seconds after the SWAT team "knocked and announced"--suggests the problem is not the type of warrant issued but the use of military tactics. The state's interest in protecting evidence of drug crimes from destruction, or even in preventing the escape of suspected drug felons, does not justify the threat to individual safety, security and peace of mind that the use of these tactics represents. On this, the now-famous image of a terrified Elian facing an armed INS agent speaks volumes. Even when no shot is fired, these raids leave in their wake families traumatized by memories of an armed invasion by government agents. Police officers, too, are shot in these raids, barging unannounced into homes where weapons are kept. These shootings may appear to confirm the dangerousness of the criminals being pursued, until one realizes that they are committed when people are caught by surprise by intruders in their own homes and not unreasonably, if unfortunately, grab a weapon to defend themselves. (Suspects also die in these shootouts. Troy Davis, 25, was shot point blank in the chest by Texas police who broke down his door during a no-knock raid in December 1999 and found him with a gun in his hand. Police had been pursuing a tip that Davis and his mother were growing marijuana. His gun was legal.) Using paramilitary units to enforce drug warrants is the inevitable result of the government's tendency to see itself as fighting a "war on drugs." This rhetoric makes it easy to forget that the targets in these raids are not the enemy but fellow citizens, and that the laws being enforced are supposed to ensure a safe, peaceful, well- ordered society. If lawmakers in Washington and Sacramento are genuinely committed to defending the right of the American people to be safe and secure in their own homes, they would demand an accounting for the thousands of drug raids executed by SWAT teams every year all over the country, raids that get little media attention but nonetheless leave their targets traumatized and violated. Assuming, that is, that they leave them alive. ## -- Kathleen T
[CTRL] Web Site Invites Alternative Parties to 'Debate'
-Caveat Lector- To view the entire article, go to http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9286-2000Sep24.html Web Site Invites Alternative Parties to 'Debate' It is apparent that Green Party nominee Ralph Nader and Reform Party nominee Patrick J. Buchanan are not going to be allowed to appear in the three nationally televised presidential debates, but that doesn't mean their views will be shut out completely. Voters can check them out on the Web. The video-on-demand Internet site FreedomChannel.com has invited Nader and Buchanan, as well as Natural Law Party nominee John Hagelin, Libertarian nominee Harry Browne and Constitution Party nominee Howard Phillips, to submit videotaped answers to all the questions posed to the major party nominees. The answers will be posted within 24 to 48 hours of the live debates and will appear directly alongside Republican George W. Bush's and Democrat Al Gore's answers on FreedomChannel.com as well as on several popular news Web sites that syndicate FreedomChannel's content. Phillips and Browne have agreed to participate and negotiations are under way with the others. -- Kathleen If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that, too. - Somerset Maugham A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Funeral protest rally today for 11yr old killed in SWAT raid - No drugs found
, other officers heard Hawn say his finger was not on the trigger. "All we can say is nothing we've found at this point indicates that this was anything but an accident," Wasden said. That conclusion did little to ease the pain of family members. "They say it's accidental. They say, 'Oops, sorry,' " said Martinez, the boy's uncle. "Oops, there's an 11-year-old boy who's dead. All the sorries and excuses in the world will not bring him back." Outside the funeral home Monday, Sepulveda held his shaking wife, Sonia. "They took a part of my heart, a part of my life away," Sepulveda said. "He was the happiest child, and they came in and stole his life." The family, he said, will return to live in their home on McAdoo Avenue. "Everything will stay the same. His room will stay the same," Sepulveda said. "My son was happy and we were happy in that house. ... When we go back he will be there with us." Sepulveda has refused to answer any questions about the criminal case against him. On the morning his son died, Sepulveda was arrested on a federal warrant charging him with conspiracy to distribute methamphetamine. He was released two days later after promising to use equity in his home to a secure a $20,000 bail bond by the end of the month. Sepulveda has lived in Stanislaus County for 15 years, five of them in the Highway Village home. He has no felony convictions in Stanislaus County. City officials said Monday that no drugs or weapons were found in the house. Cash was found. Federal drug agents requested the use of SWAT teams to secure the Sepulveda residence and 13 other locations in coordinated predawn raids aimed at cracking a major methamphetamine distribution network. Bee staff writer Steve Elliott contributed to this report. -- Kathleen Clinton is a man who will disappoint everyone in his life except his pollster. --Dick Armey A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Violence Against Gun Rights Supporters
{HYPERLINK "http://www.co-freedom.com"}The Colorado Freedom Report--www.co-freedom.com
Anti-Gun Caller Threatens Freedom Report Editor
by Ari Armstrong, August 29, 2000
At about 10:05 pm today, I appeared on 9 News to discuss a legal challenge in which I'm involved against the gun show (background check) initiative. I had recorded the interview earlier in the day. Apparently, my peaceable, lawful action is too much for some supporters of the S.A.F.E. initiative to bear. The anti-gun lobby group Sane Alternatives to the Firearms Epidemic, the name of which likens gun ownership to a disease, is the sponsor of the initiative which seeks to expand background registrations to private sales at gun shows.
At about 10:07 pm today, I received an anonymous, threatening phone call. When I answered the phone, a male voice said, "Hey Nazi back off," then hung up.
The invective is particularly offensive since I'm a civil libertarian opposed to fascism in all its forms. The term "Nazi" is short for "National Socialism," the German form of fascist socialism led by Adolf Hitler in mid-century. The Nazis were racists as well as fascists and murdered millions of innocent Jews and other persons. Recently, I published an {HYPERLINK "http://www.co-freedom.com/2000/08/neveragain.html"} by Bob Glass about the horrors of the Nazi holocaust which stole the lives of Glass' family members. Leon Uris records many of the Nazi atrocities in his novel Mila 18, in which a brave group of Jews take up arms in a desperate fight against the Nazis. (My first name is taken from another of Uris' novels.)
The invective is ironic since the gun show initiative itself could be considered a fascist proposal. The Austrian economists define fascism as type of socialism in which the state controls nominally private property. The gun show initiative seeks to put private property -- in this case firearms -- under the direct control of state and federal authorities. Thus, it is a step toward fascism, and that is precisely why I oppose it.
Because of incomplete and inaccurate records, background registration checks usually deny lawful citizens their rights to purchase a firearm for self-defense. This violates the civil rights of property ownership, self-defense, and due process.
So what did I say that resulted in a gun opponent threatening me? Adam Schrager of 9 News did his usual excellent job of putting together a fair, well-researched piece. In addition to selecting opposing comments by a S.A.F.E. lawyer, he and the 9 News team used three of my quotes on air:
The anti-gun lobby S.A.F.E. claims they collected 108,000 signatures. But it's easy to collect a lot of signatures if you do it illegally.
We're going to use every means at our disposal to protect individual rights. [The context of this comment was partially lost in the cut; the line was a response to the question of why we're pursuing legal action as well as public education to fight the background registration check initiative.]
If the Supreme Court follows Colorado law then we have a good chance of succeeding on this level.
Directly after those lines aired, my phone rang. Unfortunately, that's not the first time I've been threatened by an opponent of gun ownership. (Of course I assume the S.A.F.E. leadership condemns such threats. We can't know if the anonymous caller is a member of the group or simply supports its initiative.) On {HYPERLINK "http://www.co-freedom.com/2000/05/unsafe.html"}May 3, one S.A.F.E. member told me, "I ought to bash you over the head."
Recently in Fort Collins, a woman who opposes the right of self- defense struck a member of the Tyranny Response Team with a clip board. At a rally in Boulder earlier this year, Robert Howell, vice president of the anti-gun Boulder Bell Campaign, attacked Shariar Ghalam, bloodying his nose. (Ghalam was carrying a concealed handgun but never drew it, not believing his life was in danger.) This summer, supporters of the anti-gun Million Mom March stole supplies from the Second Amendment Sisters and vandalized SAS property. For people supposedly advocating safety, some gun opponents display a surprising level of violent tendencies.
But "back off" is exactly what I won't be doing. Instead, I will redouble my efforts to defend the civil liberties of every individual, including the minority of gun owners. (Fortunately, I am kept safer by gun ownership in my neighborhood, which deters assaults.)
Freedom is not a loophole. The S.A.F.E. background registration check initiative would empower criminals and violate the civil rights of law-abiding citizens. I will help fight it until it no longer threatens our safety and our liberties.
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The homicidal state shares one trait with the
solitary killer--like all murderers, it trips
on its own egoism and drops a trail of clues
which, when properly
[CTRL] PRISON: THE NEW SLAVERY?
n of unique brands of clothing and other
products such as "Prison Blues" denim jeans, which are made
exclusively in prison workshops. This slave labor has not yet been
vehemently objected to by either organized labor, civil rights
groups or prisoners rights organizations, though a number of exposes
have been done by the radical press. But an effective coalition must be
built before it will stop.
The upshot of all this is that this is slavery, and even though the
13th amendment to the national constitution allegedly outlaws
slavery, ("except for commission of a crime") it is permitted
because these slaves don't belong to a plantation owner, but to the
state. They are just "rented out" to capitalist corporations. It is
also popular because of the anti-crime hysteria, and putting the
prisoners to work is a popular idea. Yet, nobody is seeing the real
picture.
Although we want to end prison slavery entirely, prisoners' rights
activists, civil libertarians and the Black community generally,
must demand that these prisoners be given the same rights as
workers outside: that they be covered by OSHA regulations to
ensure a safe workplace, that they be given the same rights to
organize labor unions, and that they not be exploited by their
keepers with their eyes on a fast buck. They should be paid
the same living wage as workers on the outside.
Ultimately the whole question the outright abolition, or at least of
a moratorium on the building of prisons has to be factored in, but
this will do for now. Some fairness in the current system.
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Kathleen
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[CTRL] Constitutional right to say No to police search requests.
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Re: [CTRL] Email Freezing on CTRL Emails ONLY
: > > From: "Jim Condit Jr" [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > What in the world is going on? Last night I ran into another CTRL > > email that froze my email. I had to go into mailstart and get rid > > of it after I identified it. I didn't note the name, but now, > > tonight a CTRL email froze me up under the name "William Shannon" > > -- > I have never had any CTRL email freeze my mail system, but the one from William Shannon that you mention got stuck in my new mail folder. I couldn't delete it even with a hard reboot. I had to figure out which one of the .pmm files referred to it and delete it through Explorer. This has happened occasionally with mail from other sources as well. I don't think it's anything other than an electronic hiccup. -- Kathleen The Democrats are the ones who will give you a loan. The Republicans are the ones who will guarantee you a loan. The Libertarians are the ones who will leave you alone. - Cal Ludeman www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 10 Reasons To Legalize ALL Drugs
On 15 May 00, at 6:19, Tenorlove wrote: they refuse to prescribe lower-priced meds, even if one is available for the condition. Cite please? -- Kathleen "When liberty is taken away by force, it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default, it can neve r be recovered." - Dorothy Thompson A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Prescriptions was 10 reasons etc.
On 15 May 00, at 11:57, Tenorlove wrote: Date sent: Mon, 15 My former pediatrician, Luis Pupo, insisted my child take Zithromax We're going through the same battle with our new insurance and my husband's Lipitor. Two instances don't warrant a blanket statement. You could (1 change physicians or 2(Hold your ground and insist on the lower priced drug 3)Ask for samples Just FYI however, not all statins are equivalent. Ask if there is something in your husbands lipid panel that makes Lipitor the best choice. The pediatrician's preference for Zithromax most likely was based on the proven fact that more people will complete a 5 day course of treatment than a 10 day course. Many people start to get better, stop the antibiotic and contribute to the emergence of a resistant organism. -- Kathleen "When liberty is taken away by force, it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default, it can neve r be recovered." - Dorothy Thompson A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bill Criminalizes Drug Links
I wonder if these wonderful lawmakers ever even heard of the first amendment. Bill Criminalizes Drug Links http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,36209,00.html Summary: A bill (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d106:h.r.02987:) up for vote in the House Judiciary Committee would make it a federal crime to "publish or link to information related to illegal drugs or drug advertising." A much harsher bill (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d106:s.00486:) going through the Senate would require ISPs to shut down sites that violate these drug provisions within 48 hours of learning of any violation of this drug policy. Commentary: I wonder how long the government will continue on this trend of rights-violations for the sake of the ineffective drug policy before legalization finally gets seriously considered. Post your comments on GeekPress: http://www.geekpress.com/cgi-bin/comments/read.pl?id=9-5-2000- 8-30-20datetime=Tue+May+09+08:30:20+2000+PDT -- Kathleen "One of the most striking differences between a cat and a lie is that a cat has only nine lives." --Mark Twain A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] D.C. Chief Federal Judge Faces Probe
D.C. Chief Federal Judge Faces Probe By Pete Yost Associated Press Writer Tuesday, May 2, 2000; 4:48 p.m. EDT WASHINGTON In a rare step, a judicial panel has hired a former U.S. attorney to investigate why the chief federal judge in Washington specially assigned the cases of presidential friends to judges appointed by President Clinton, legal sources said Tuesday. Joe D. Whitley, a Republican who served in the Reagan and Bush administrations as a prosecutor in Georgia and Washington, will conduct the investigation of U.S. District Judge Norma Holloway Johnson, according to the legal sources, who spoke only on condition of anonymity. Whitley will work for the five-judge panel that is overseeing a misconduct complaint against Johnson to determine why she bypassed the normal random case assignment system in a half dozen prosecutions in the fund-raising and Whitewater investigations. In each instance, Johnson, a Democratic appointee, sent cases to judges appointed by Clinton, and in one instance she urged federal prosecutors to request a specific judge appointed by him. The cases included those of presidential friends Webster Hubbell, a Whitewater figure, and Charlie Trie, a key Clinton fund-raiser. After The Associated Press first disclosed special assignments in the Trie and Hubbell cases last year, Johnson wrote a letter saying her decision was not politically motivated and simply was designed to shift complex cas es to judges with open schedules. She has repeatedly declined requests for additional comment. The legal sources at the federal courthouse in Washington say the five judges overseeing the probe will work with Whitley to complete the investigation swiftly, perhaps in a matter of weeks. Based on the findings of Whitley and the five judges, the panel will make a recommendation to the Judicial Council of federal appeals and district judges, who must decide whether to discipline Johnson. The council's decision could be appealed to the Judicial Conference, the policymaking body for the U.S. court system. Legal experts said the hiring of outside counsel to investigate a judge's conduct is relatively rare. "I can't think of any parallel situation in which it became known that an outside investigator has been hired," said New York University law professor Stephen Gillers. "Usually it's all done internally." Whitley declined comment through a secretary at the Atlanta law firm where he works. He served as U.S. attorney in Macon, Ga., from 1981-87, then moved to the Justice Department in Washington where in 1989, he became acting associate attorney general, the department's No. 3 post. From 1990-93, Whitley ser ved a second stint as U.S. attorney in Atlanta. According to courthouse sources, Whitley will interview Johnson and others about why she bypassed a computer system that randomly assigns criminal cases. Johnson's bypassing of the random system disturbed some of her coll eagues, and they have since discarded the rarely used court rule that allowed the special assignments. The sources said it was unclear whether a separate matter closed meetings among Clinton-appointed judges at the courthouse also will be investigated. Judicial Watch, a conservative legal group, has filed a formal complaint against Johnson. The group released a letter from the federal appeals court stating that the allegation of secret meetings "remains under advisement ." Pressure also is mounting from Capitol Hill. Rep. Dan Burton, R- Ind., has asked Johnson to testify May 17 before his House Government Reform Committee. That committee still has not been told whether Johnson will accept the panel's invitation. Johnson, an appointee of President Carter, assigned the tax evasion case against Hubbell and the fund-raising prosecution of Trie to judges recently appointed by Clinton. She also assigned four other fund-raising cases to Clinton judges, including that of Howard Glicken, a former fund-raiser for Vice President Al Gore. Glicken was sentenced to community service. In that case, Clinton confidant Vernon Jordan wrote the judge pleading for leniency. Initially, the complaint against Johnson for the Trie and Hubbell cases was dismissed by a federal appeals judge. But when Rep. Howard Coble, R-N.C., disclosed the additional cases, the Judicial Council named the five-judge panel to take a closer look. © Copyright 2000 The Associated Press -- Kathleen "When important issues affecting the life of an individual are decided by somebody else, it makes no difference to the individual whether that somebody else is a king, a dictator or society at large." - James Taggart (1992) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half
Re: [CTRL] Christian Duty Under Corrupt Government
What an egregious bigot. On 27 Apr 00, at 9:47, nessie wrote: Anybody who has read history knows what happens when Christians colonize your land. Pretty soon it's not your land any more and you are dead or a slave. "Peace, love and brotherhood," my ass. A more avaricious people have never stalked the earth. -- Kathleen "Every great advance in natural knowledge has involved the absolute rejection of authority." -- Thomas Henry Huxley A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Village Voice: Are You Backing the Slave Trade?]
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- On 5 Apr 00, at 21:16, Nurev Ind Research wrote: It targets American pension and mutual funds and cities that invest in a huge oil company, Talisman Energy, that is a partner of the National Islamic Front, the government of Sudan. British Petroleum (Amoco) is also heavily invested in this regime and has funneled millions to them so they can be a player in the oil fields of southern Sudan. I think a boycott of Amoco would be in order as well. This authoritarian government, based in the north of the country, encourages slave raiders to invade black Christian and animist villages in the south. Many of the men are killed. Women and girls are abducted to become concubines and house slaves, bought by owners in the north. The kidnapped boys are forced into the Muslim faith. The Sudanese air force bombed a school in Southern Sudan sometime during the last week. Several students and family members were injured. Fortunately there were no fatalities. Our worthless "news" outlets didn't bother to give it one word of coverage. -- Kathleen "There is nothing wrong with Southern California that a rise in the ocean level wouldn't cure." -- Ross MacDonal A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Follow The Money - Before Exiling Elian
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- On 6 Apr 00, at 11:43, Mack White wrote: Who is paying for Greg Craig to serve as Juan Miguel Gonzalez' lawyer? Craig is the Washington D.C. lawyer who probably charges $600 per hour and recently represented President Clinton during his impeachment trial. Keep in mind that lawyers like Mr. Craig charge even for TV appearances. So every time we see Craig on the "Today" show with Katie Couric or on ABC with Sam and Cokie, you can also hear the "ca-ching" of the cash register. Legal bills can add up into the five figures very quickly. And he just made a whirlwind roundtrip to Havana, probably on a private plane with another lawyer from his firm, that will cost thousands more in fees and expenses. Certainly Elian's father can not and is not paying this tab. He is but a slave of the Cuban State and would have virtually no assets. Under Castro's Soviet-style communism, men like Juan Miguel can only keep what they save from their earnings - which often averages around $12-$40 per month. So who is paying for Craig - and who hired him? snip 3) Or did someone else - perhaps a rich Castro sympathizer in favor of trading with Havana or some left-wing church group sympathetic to communist governments - foot the bill and hire Craig? The United Methodist Church is paying the bill. -- Kathleen "Those who expect to reap the benefits of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it." - Thomas Paine A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Drugging our children
g down; thats my guess. Breggin: I think thats right. They just got through doing that with a big study they ballyhooed, called the M.T.A. study. The N.I.M.H. spent multi-millions of dollars on it, and theyre going to do the same thing now with little kids. And despite the millions spent, the N.I.M.H. study wasnt even conducted according to accepted scientific procedures and is basically worthless. Savage: Doctor, this reminds me of the sad state of experiments done on little children by Kinsey. Kinsey, as you well know, was a complete whacko. Most of his studies have been shown to be false. Breggin: Yes, I know. He was sexually abusing those children and had sex abusers working for him to stimulate the babies. Savage: He was a nut case who was using children as sex objects and then writing books about it to make it look legitimate. Yet his work is still quoted today as if its the gospel. The same mentality now prevails in the Clinton White House and among those folks who think theyre going to save our children by abusing them with drugs. Tell us, Doctor, what can we do to protect active children. I guarantee it; if I were a child today, theyd put me in a chemical straightjacket. What could my mother do if they told her, " Your son has A.D.D. according to our test, and were going to prescribe medication for him"? Breggin: I think the first thing parents need to start doing is absolutely refuse to cooperate with any psychological evaluation of children in school. Schools should not be mental hospitals. Parents should say that the only tests they want their children to have are those respecting their academic subjects and nothing else. Savage: Thats interesting. Youve basically implied that theyve turned our schools into something other than schools. What do you think the government has in mind by turning our schools into little clinics? Breggin: Its going to get even worse if Hillary follows her plan that I describe in Reclaiming Our Children. But even now in many, many schools the nurses are giving out more drugs than were given out in childrens mental hospitals when I was in training. You can go into a school today and find that ten or twenty percent of the boys are on drugs given by the school nurse. I just recently visited a school where over half of the children were being given drugs. The teachers are given something called the Connors Scale for the students. Connors for decades has been trying to find ways to control kids with drugs. He goes right back to the sixties.. His scale is basically a psychiatric rating which is used to diagnose A.D.D. and A.D.H.D. Teachers use this scale in the classroom. They give the results to the school psychologist, and then the parents are called in to face a team of five people telling them that their child has A.D.H.D. As I said, parents must refuse to cooperate with any psychological evaluation of their children in school. Savage: Its a war to control our children. State control through drugs, just as practiced in the Soviet Union. With Hillary and Tipper leading the charge! end of forwarded message -- Kathleen "It's a scientific fact that if you stay in California you lose one point of your IQ every year." -- Truman Capote A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Clinton Found To Violate Privacy
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Privacy Concerns - http://www.angelfire.com/biz/privacyconcerns/index.html .c The Associated Press By PETE YOST WASHINGTON (AP) - A federal judge ruled today that President Clinton ``committed a criminal violation of the Privacy Act'' by releasing private letters to cast doubt on the credibility of a woman who accused him of making a sexual advance in the White House. U.S. District Judge Royce C. Lamberth ordered White House lawyers to answer questions they previously refused in a lawsuit brought by the conservative legal group Judicial Watch, which has filed numerous suits against the Clinton administration. ``This court finds that the plaintiffs have presented facts that establish a criminal violation of the Privacy Act,'' Lamberth ruled. Such a violation is a misdemeanor. The judge, a Republican appointee, added that evidence in the case ``established that the president had the requisite intent for committing a criminal violation of the Privacy Act'' when he authorized the release of the letters in the midst of the 1998 criminal investigation that led to his impeachment and acquittal. The White House released Kathleen Willey's letters the morning after a 1998 TV appearance in which she alleged the president made an unwanted sexual advance next to the Oval Office in 1993. Presidential aides used the letters to cast doubt on Willey's allegations, saying the letters showed she remained friendly with Clinton after the alleged incident. Clinton has denied any wrongdoing. The White House and the Justice Department were reviewing the ruling today and had no immediate comment. Lawrence Barcella, a veteran Washington lawyer, questioned whether a violation occurred. ``I'd be shocked if then-White House counsel) Chuck Ruff hadn't done a complete legal analysis of this issue before the letters were released,'' said Barcella. ``And in Clinton's case, he appears to be relying on the advice of his legal counsel. Differing legal opinions don't always equal a violation.'' Lamberth's ruling comes in a lawsuit over the White House gathering of hundreds of FBI background files on Republican appointees. The judge allowed Judicial Watch wide latitude in exploring the issue of whether the White House routinely gathered and released damaging information about its political opponents. As part of the discovery process, the group was allowed to ask extensive written questions about the release of the Willey letters even though Willey is not a party to the suit. Presidential aides refused to answer some of those questions, prompting Lamberth's ruling. Lamberth held that the White House was informed by one of the judge's own rulings, nine months before the release of the Willey letters in 1998, that the White House was covered by the Privacy Act. The White House maintains ``that the president did not act willfully because the Department of Justice has, in the past, taken the position that the White House office is not subject to the Privacy Act,'' the judge noted. ``This court, however, has already rejected this argument in this same case,'' Lamberth added. ``When the president and EOP (executive office of the president) released the letters they were fully aware of this court's ruling that the Privacy Act was applicable and that the disclosure of the letters was therefore prohibited.'' Lamberth said three top presidential aides - Deputy Counsel Bruce Lindsey, former Counsel Charles F.C. Ruff and former Deputy Counsel Cheryl Mills - engaged in discussions that led to the release of the letters. The ruling notes the senior lawyers ``had their discussions about whether the letters should be released'' and ``ultimately recommended their release to the president.'' Clinton ``concurred in this recommendations,'' the judge said. ``The plaintiffs have established that the president committed a criminal violation of the Privacy Act,'' the judge ruled. Lamberth rejected the White House claim that Lindsay and four other White House aides did not need to answer questions about the letters because of attorney-client privilege. ``The discussions regarding the release of the Willey letters, even if initially protected by the attorney-client privilege, fall squarely within the crime-fraud exception to this privilege,'' he ruled. Lamberth's ruling simply clears the way for Judicial Watch to press the White House to answer additional questions about the Willey letters. However, the Justice Department has an open investigation into another impeachment-related release of damaging information about a critic - the Pentagon's release of data from Linda Tripp's personnel file. In grand jury testimony in August 1998, Clinton denied Willey's allegations and referred to the release of the letters, telling prosecutors: ``You know what evidence was released after the `60 Minutes' broadcast that I think pretty well shattered Kathleen Willey's credibility.'
[CTRL] Fwd: Janet Reno would curb press freedom on line
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- http://www.theregister.co.uk/000309-11.html Posted 09/03/2000 12:23pm by Thomas C. Greene in Washington Janet Reno would curb press freedom on line Constitutional protections of the press are getting in the way of cyber-crime prosecutions and may have to be reconsidered, a White House committee chaired by US Attorney General Janet Reno believes. "With the advent of the Internet and widespread computer use, almost any computer can be used to 'publish' material. As a result, the [Privacy Protection Act of 1980 (PPA)] may now apply to almost any search of any computer," the committee's report laments. The act in question protects the freedom of American journalists, scholars and writers to publish freely by prohibiting all law enforcement agencies from searching for or seizing "any work product materials" or any related "documentary materialspossessed by a personwith a purpose to disseminate to the public a newspaper, book, broadcast, or other similar form of public communication," [42 U.S.C. §2000aa]. Under those circumstances, the Feds would be forced to find some gizmo or technique to copy only those portions of a suspect journalist's hard disk which might pertain to a crime, and do it without interrupting the work in progress; or, failing that, rely on the suspect himself to turn over the relevant files. It's a formidable technical challenge, as the Feds must not seize, or even examine, data meant for publication, and its supporting, documentary information such as notes, transcripts and related research materials. The Reno Department of Justice (DoJ) apparently finds this an intolerable burden, especially while the precious life of an innocent child kidnapped by rogue chemistry professors could hang in the balance. "Because computers now commonly contain enormous data storage devices, wrongdoers can use them to store material for publication that the PPA protects while simultaneously storing child pornography, stolen classified documents, or other contraband or evidence of crime," the report warns. We may joke about rogue professors, but we're only covering up the chill we feel in contemplating the way Internet superstition and Reno's relentless child-protective hype might give the Feds the excuse they've been waiting for to do an end-run around the PPA. It appears that this is exactly what Reno has in mind. "Features of the Internet that make it different from prior technologies may justify the need for changes in laws and procedures that govern the detection and investigation of computer crimes," the committee notes ominously. The committee's report, "The Electronic Frontier: The Challenge of Unlawful Conduct Involving the Use of the Internet" is due to be released in final form this month. A draft copy obtained by Wired News is available on line here. It's a disturbing read. ® -- Kathleen "One of the most striking differences between a cat and a lie is that a cat has only nine lives." --Mark Twain A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Reagan / McCain Exchange
-Caveat Lector- -Cui Bono?- On 2 Mar 00, at 9:20, Foxter wrote: Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Reagan / McCain Exchange To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] How was McCain rude to Reagan? Can you specify this? You really had to hear the exchange to appreciate it. The transcript doesn't convey tones of voice. -- Kathleen The Democrats are the ones who will give you a loan. The Republicans are the ones who will guarantee you a loan. The Libertar ians are the ones who will leave you alone. - Cal Ludeman www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 60 Minute Bushwacking (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- On 15 Feb 00, at 9:07, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: The only thing here is--"does a crime committed by an individual" mean that he is not telling the truth about someone who is running for president?" How does the one influence the other. Our law enforcement takes the word of every petty criminal going when it comes to knocking down the doors of perfectly innocent people and shooting their dogs and scaring their kids and just knocking a family around in general. Our controlled media people also take the word of every petty criminal going when it comes to the smearing and character assassination of anyone not deemed politically correct. The fact that our law enforcement are largely a bunch of criminals themselves isn't something I am pleased about, but the questionable practices of one group don't justify the questionable practices of another group. If the networks push an idea, in my experience it has about a 90% chance of being bs, since they aim for an audience of morons. I refuse to believe anything on the networks unless a source I trust can verify the same information. -- Kathleen "It should, it seems to me, be our pleasure and duty to make those people free, and let them deal with their own domestic quest ions in their own way. And so I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land." - M ark Twain A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Sightings
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just got off the cell phone with my wife. We own a house in San Clemente that was just sold. Escrow doesn't close until after the CDC, so she went down to water the yard. While she was there she decided to make a run to Mexico and pick up some more antibiotics and prescription drugs for our preps. The main point is that her cousin is a civilian construction worker in San Diego. He tells her that he is building "barracks" on San Clemente Island. For those of you who don't know, San Clemente Island is used for bombing practice by the Marine Corps. He says that they have stopped bombing there and he has been contracted to build quite a few barracks on the island. He says that they are also building a number of new barracks near Camp Pendleton. This sent up red flags for me because San Clemente Island is not a practical location to house marines. It is much to far from the mainland. In addition, I can't imagine them building new wooden barracks at Pendleton, especially since the size of the military is getting smaller not larger. What makes more sense is that these may well be detention centers. The contract is a rush job. He and his crew are flown out to the island, where they stay for a week and then flown home on weekends. Anyone else heard anything about this? John Vance -- Kathleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Business trumps human rights.
e because "it was a business meeting, not to say that people were not aware of the situation." Evil persists when American media barons censor themselves at the very site of governmental brutality and torture of dissenters. Norman Pearlstine tells me that since I have not been in China, I am not aware that "China is demonstrably more free today than it was 25 years ago." I told him that a Catholic priest who refuses to renounce the Vatican had his legs broken by police last December in Hebei just after being released from a labor camp. How does Pearlstine define "freedom"? The Committee To Protect Journalists informs me that it "is extremely concerned about China's abysmal record on press freedoms . . . and wishes that any group meeting in China would address head on" that issue. In its statement, the committee did not mention its choice of Norman Pearlstine to be chairman of its November 23 Freedom Awards dinner. Tell us what you think. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kathleen "In the grim light of Kosovo, it is time to ask the obvious question: Should President Clinton's national security team be repl aced by a ham and cheese sandwich?" - Michael Kelly DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] (Fwd) Release: EEOC immigrants
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[CTRL] (Fwd) FBI Creating Demons To Save Us From?
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded message follows --- From http://www.allsouthwest.com/columnists/bward.html - FBI Creating Demons To Save Us From? Last Weeks Column: Time to Get Serious By Bob Ward Host of the Texas Journal Radio Show KIXL 970AM Austin Editor of The Texas Journal Print Publication AllSouthwest News Columnist Email Bob Bob Ward Archives The FBI is busy trying to convince Americans that the republic is threatened by unspecified but dangerous groups of paranoids, religious fanatics, militias and, of course, the obligatory "white supremacists" who might become violent in connection with the coming of the new millennium. Last week the FBI announced a new program alerting local police of the threat from these"extremist" groups who are targeting non-whites, Jews and the Federal government. The connection between race and the end of the millennium is not spelled out. The program was dubbed "Project Megiddo" which is the biblical site of the battle of Armageddon, the final clash between the forces of good and the forces of evil. Presumably, the FBI sees itself as the forces of good. In a subsequent statement intended to clarify its first announcement of Project Megiddo the FBI softened its language in regard to the militias. The majority of militias, the FBI said, "engage in and support law abiding activities." This conciliatory tone was apparently meant to protect the FBI's attempt to establish a rapport with the militias, a program the agency announced several weeks ago. The purpose, they said, was to demonstrate to militia members that Federal agents are human beings and Americans and that we all believe in the same things. This is a program militias would be advised to be cautious about because while the FBI agents are establishing all that rapport they are also collecting names, addresses and personal data and information about armaments. The clarifying statement also contained additional information about Project Megiddo which was described as the product of extensive research about individuals and groups who attach "special significance" to the year 2000. This significance, the FBI said, is based on their "apocalyptic"religious beliefs or a "conspiracy theory" about the New World Order. Throughout history, governments have been suspicious of religion, which diverts loyalty and allegiance from the government. It is also an alternative and competing source of authority. There is no reason to believe the government of the United States is any different. If it were we could safely repeal the First Amendment. And when it comes to "apocalyptic" beliefs, the FBI can bat in anyone's league. The agency warns of "violent white supremacists who seek to initiate a race war, apocalyptic cults which anticipate a violent Armageddon, radical elements of private citizen militias who fear that the United Nations will initiate an armed takeover of the United States and establish One World Government, and other groups. That's quite a list of horribles without a single name of a person or organization that would allow an interested or skeptical citizen to check or verify. And of course, naming a person or groups would permit someone to respond to these accusations. We are left to take it on the word of the FBI that these groups and individuals are out there and plotting dreadful things and we should welcome whatever the FBI does to counteract them. But to do accept thee claims as gospel, we have to ignore the fact that for six years the FBI lied to us about incendiary device at Waco, or the fabricated reports of a drug laboratory that were used to justify the use of military equipment and training at Waco. And we would have to forget the deceptive tactics they used against Richard Jewell, the suspected Olympic bomber. They told him they were making training film and he was to role play a suspect who waives his rights. Fortunately, the ruse did not work and Jewell avoided being framed by the FBI. And about that One World Government concern. If they really want to convince people otherwise, instead of demonizing unnamed people, they might advise Under Secretary of State Strobe Tallbot to put a cork in it because he recently predicted that in the coming century nations will be abolished and "single, global authority" will be established. Should Americans be characterize as dangerous paranoids for paying attention to what high level government officials tell us? This latest announcement from the FBI follows by several months the disclosure of a mobilization program in the Pacific northwest which it described by the special agent in charge in Seattle as the locale of many incidents of terrorism. Presumably, she was not including the murder by Federal agents of Randy Weaver's wife and son, but that doesn't mean we can't. As in the more recent announcement, there were references to "groups, radical, paranoid and, as usual,
[CTRL] Fwd: This Says It All
-Caveat Lector- 27 August 1999 Murchison Chair of Free Enterprise College of Engineering at UT Austin http://www.engr.utexas.edu/cofe/quotes.htm "The system of private property is the most important guaranty to freedom, not only for those who own property, but scarcely less for those who do not. It is only because of the control of the means of production is divided among many people acting independently that no one has complete power over us, that we as individuals can decide what we do for ourselves." -- Friedrich A. Hayck "We reject the idea of private property." -- Peter Berle, President of the National Audobon Society "Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about?" -- Maurice Strong, Head of the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro "We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans..." -- Bill Clinton (USA TODAY, 11 March 1993, page 2A) Editorial Comment: First kill all the lawyers, especially those who run for public office. "This is a political game. It has nothing to do with science. It has nothing to do with health and safety." -- Sherry Neddick, Greenpeace "A global climate treaty must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the greenhouse effect." -- Richard Benedict, State Dept. employee working on assignment from the Conservation Foundation "We've got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing -- in terms of economic policy and environmental policy." -- Timothy Wirth, former U.S. Senator (D-Colorado) "I suspect that the politicians and businessmen who are jumping on the environment bandwagon don't have the slightest idea of what they are getting into. They are talking about emission control devices on automobiles, while we are talking about bans on automobiles." -- Dennis Hayes, Earth Day Agenda (1970) "Protecting the Environment' is a ruse. The goal is the political and economic subjugation of most men by the few, under the guise of preserving nature." -- J. H. Robbins ". . . The collective needs of non-human species must take precedence over the needs and desires of humans." -- Dr. Reed F. Noss, The Wildlands Project "Christianity is our foe. If animal rights is to succeed, we must destroy the Judeo-Christian Religious tradition." -- Peter Singer, the "Father of Animal Rights" "Human beings, as a species, have no more value than slugs." -- John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal "The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing . . . This is not to say that the rise of human civilization is insignificant, but there is no way of showing that it will be much help to the world in the long run." -- The Economist editorial "In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 per day." -- Dr. Jacques Cousteau "I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems." -- John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal "People are the cause of all the problems; we have too many of them; we need to get rid of some of them, and this (ban of DDT) is as good a way as any." -- Charles Wurster, Environmental Defense Fund "When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans... and so a lot of people say there's too much personal freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it. That's what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the public housing projects, about how we're going to have weapon sweeps and more things like that to try to make people safer in their communities." -- President Bill Clinton, 3-22-94, MTV's "Enough is Enough" Editorial Comment: See First Editorial Comment. "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken ". . . Our production and consumption is not sustainable . . . Agenda 21 is to be implemented . . . The Texas Sustainable Energy Development Council will develop the Texas Plan . . . The money will come from milking the utilities and redirecting oil overcharge funds . . . . "
[CTRL] Fw: New military unit for domestic deployment
p it combat crimes involving chemical and biological weapons," he told WorldNetDaily. "Taxpayers need to know where that money has gone and why the president now wants to call in the troops." Addressing the long-term ramifications of the change in military law enforcement policy, Nojeim said, "When the crisis hits, those with the biggest guns will be subordinate to no one." -- Kathleen "America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between." -- Oscar Wilde DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Smokers Fired
-Caveat Lector- -- INTERESTING QUOTE: "...the Florida Supreme Court upheld the rule. The court said the lower insurance costs outweighed the privacy issue." -- Source: Palm Beach Post http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/saturday/new s_2.h tml Boca may stub out smokers By Monika Gonzalez, Palm Beach Post Staff Writer Saturday, October 9, 1999 BOCA RATON -- Marlboro men need not apply. The city is aiming to ban the hiring of smokers for all jobs, and new employees caught smoking on or off duty would be fired. The anti-smoking rule -- already in effect for about 700 city employees through union contracts for police, firefighters and blue-collar workers -- is expanded to all 1,100-odd employees in revamped personnel policies to be reviewed by city council members Tuesday. Smoking is already off-limits in Boca Raton government buildings and one city park, but the new rule would extend into an employee's home and entire life. Workers already on the payroll may continue to smoke on their free time. As may council members: Mayor Carol Hanson is a longtime smoker, and at least two other council members smoke occasionally. Officials are proposing the citywide ban because fewer smokers means lower health insurance premiums for all employees. While such a measure is not common among municipal governments, it is practiced in several cities including Coral Gables, North Miami and Clinton, Iowa. The American Civil Liberties Union contested the no-more-smokers rule in North Miami as a violation of state privacy laws, but the Florida Supreme Court upheld the rule. The court said the lower insurance costs outweighed the privacy issue. "The ACLU's position is that it's improper for the government to punish people for a perfectly legal activity conducted in the privacy of their own home," said Andy Kayton, legal director of the ACLU of Florida. "Where does the line get drawn when you're talking about legal activities?" Jackie Miller of St. Petersburg, president of Florida's Smokers' Rights Association, agreed: "I don't think it has any bearing on how a person does their job. It's an outrageous idea." Kayton said the policy opens the door to ban people who have consumed alcohol, are overweight, had unprotected sex or even ate red meat in the last year. Although it may sound farfetched, newspaper reports show one city -- Athens, Ga., contemplated banning applicants with high cholesterol. Boca Raton police officer and union President Rick Barnett said the no-smokers policy is for the best in the long run, but it does limit the pool of applicants. Boca Raton lost a good police officer because of the ban, Barnett said. An experienced officer left the department to work at a private business and later returned to town and reapplied. But because he had smoked a cigar at a function, he wasn't eligible because he had not been smoke-free for a year. The expanded rule to be considered Tuesday doesn't say how long new hires must be smoke-free. "We would love to see a number of places become smoke-free because it would protect people from . . . second-hand smoke," said Sonja Bradwell, a program specialist with the state Department of Health office. But she said the hiring policy seems drastic. "To me, it sounds like it could be a case of discrimination." Boca Raton Councilwomen Wanda Thayer and Susan Whelchel said Friday they support the idea. "It's probably a prudent step," Whelchel said. "Does that make smokers happy? Probably not. It's like saying I can't hire you if you don't type. Then don't apply." Staff researchers Dorothy Shea and Nicole Puccinelli Ortega contributed to this report. [EMAIL PROTECTED] This country needs more unemployed politicians. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Smokers Fired
-Caveat Lector- On 11 Oct 99, at 15:16, Stopforth, Jamie wrote: -Caveat Lector- Good, get rid of the smokers. We'd be better off to get rid of the busybodies and bigots who want to control what people do on their own time to their own bodies. The difference between your statement and that of good German citizens who said "Good, get rid of the Jews" is only one of degree. "Every reform is only a mask under cover of which a more terrible reform, which dares not name itself, advances." - Ralph Waldo Emerson DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Campaign Finance Rules Threaten Speech On The Internet
er, would exacerbate the problem by imposing even tighter restrictions on election-related speech in general. In the Senate, the leading campaign finance bill is S. 1593, sponsored by Sens. McCain (R-AZ) and Feingold (D-WI). CDT takes no position on the campaign finance issue per se or on S. 1593. However, when the bill comes up in the Senate, as early as the week of October 11, Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY), chairman of the Senate Rules Committee and a First Amendment advocate, will sponsor an amendment to protect peoples' right to the use Internet to express political views. Sen. McConnell's amendment will be criticized by proponents of campaign finance reform, and the overall fate of S. 1593 is uncertain, but the Senate debate will mark the opening of another front in the fight for Internet freedom. __ _ (4) POLICY POST ADMINISTRATION To subscribe to CDT's Policy Post list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of the message type "subscribe policy-posts" without the quotes. To unsubscribe from CDT's Policy Post list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of the message type "unsubscribe policy-posts" without the quotes. Detailed information about online civil liberties issues may be found at http://www.cdt.org/ This document may be redistributed freely in full or linked to http://www.cdt.org/publications/pp_5.24.shtml. Excerpts may be re-posted with prior permission of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Policy Post 5.24 Copyright 1999 Center for Democracy and Technology -- Center for Democracy and Technology 1634 Eye Street NW, Suite 1100 Washington, DC 20006 202 637 9800 fax 202 637 0968 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cdt.org/ -- Kathleen "To be a patriot, one had to say, and keep on saying, 'Our Country, right or wrong,' and urge on the little war. Have you not p erceived that that phrase is an insult to the nation?" - Mark Twain DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Clinton's Picks and Pans in the 'Stupid' Washington Press Corps
-Caveat Lector- http://www.NewsMax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=1999/10/6/221 36 Clinton's Picks and Pans in the 'Stupid' Washington Press Corps Which news network is Bill Clinton's favorite? That would be CNN, according to Dick Morris, the twenty-year Clinton confidant who described the President's attitude toward several different reporters who covered him for Fox News Channel Tuesday night. "CNN, [Clinton] felt, was on his side. He felt [Wolf] Blitzer was annoying, but he felt CNN was basically favorable." Morris ran down the short list of Clinton's picks and pans for Bill O'Reilly on Fox's "The O'Reilly Factor." "[NBC's] Lisa Myers he thought was a real enemy," said Morris. It was Myers who convinced alleged Clinton rape victim Juanita Broaddrick to go public with her story in January. The President doesn't like the Fox News Channel but believes that the news anchors for the big three networks have no particular political axe to grind. "[CBS's Dan] Rather and [ABC's Peter] Jennings, I don't think he felt, had a bias," said Morris. "I think he felt that they just played it straight, but he felt that they all were attracted to scandal." Clinton views the prestige print press "very hostiley," according to the former White House political guru, especially New York Times editorial page editor and son of the South, Howell Raines. "He once screamed at me that 'Howell Raines hates me and he writes negative stories about me because I'm a Southerner that didn't have to leave to make good.'...He sees the press as jealous of him, as fellow baby boomers who are envious of where he's gotten, and it's a very personal thing." The President doesn't actually watch television news and Morris has never seen him read a newspaper. Instead Clinton depends on daily White House press summaries and often pays little attention to even those. "He kind of feels he's making the news so he doesn't need to read it." The First Lady is another story. "Hillary reads everything; she's omniverous," Morris told O'Reilly. "She's sensitive to everything, she resents everything, she doesn't like the press and she's on top of the spin moment by moment." The President's view of the news media is less overwrought. In fact, according to Morris, Clinton thinks the White House press corps is basically "stupid" and that distracting reporters from damaging stories is like "taking candy from a baby." -- Kathleen "There is nothing wrong with Southern California that a rise in the ocean level wouldn't cure." -- Ross MacDonal This signature was made by SigChanger. You can find SigChanger at: http://huizen.dds.nl/~phranc/ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Expert Concludes FBI Fired Shots During Waco Siege
-Caveat Lector- Source: Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-10/06/182l- 100699-idx .html Expert Concludes FBI Fired Shots During Waco Siege By David A. Vise and Richard Leiby Washington Post Staff Writers Wednesday, October 6, 1999; Page A02 An expert retained by the House Government Reform Committee said yesterday that he believes an FBI agent fired shots during the bureau's 1993 siege of the Branch Davidian compound near Waco, Tex., a view that is at odds with the FBI's consistent position that none of its agents fired at any time. Carlos Ghigliotti, an expert in thermal imaging and videotape analysis who has done work for the FBI, said he has spent hundreds of hours reviewing various tapes of the siege, including a newly released FBI audio recording that was part of a videotape turned over to Congress recently in response to a subpoena. Based on his review, Ghigliotti said he is convinced that during the final assault on April 19, 1993, an FBI agent shot in the direction of the Branch Davidian compound. "I conclude that the FBI fired shots on that day," Ghigliotti said in an interview yesterday. "I conclude this based on the ground-view videotapes taken from several different angles simultaneously and based on the overhead thermal tape. The gunfire from the ground is there, without a doubt." After being briefed yesterday by Ghigliotti, Rep. Dan Burton (R-Ind.), chairman of the committee that retained Ghigliotti as a witness, said: "What we have heard from this expert is troubling, but we think it is premature to make any final determination. We don't want to go off half-cocked. As soon as we get all the necessary information, we will hold hearings and present the information to the American people." Ghigliotti, owner of Infrared Technologies Corp. in Laurel, said the tapes also confirm that the Davidians fired at FBI agents repeatedly during the assault. Although FBI agents were operating under rules that permitted them to return fire, bureau officials have maintained that no agents fired any shots, a position that has not changed since the day of the raid. About 75 Branch Davidians perished in a fire that erupted during the assault. Ghigliotti is not asserting that any injuries or deaths were caused by FBI gunfire. For years, there have been allegations that federal agents fired automatic weapons at the Branch Davidians from behind the compound, an area that was not visible to the media. These assertions were popularized in the 1997 documentary "Waco: The Rules of Engagement." Ghigliotti said he has not arrived at any conclusion on those allegations. Rather, he has focused on three videotapes taken by news agencies that day and on the new audio tape, which is part of an FBI surveillance video. The newly released FBI recording indicates that someone was firing shots about 12:44 p.m. and includes expressions of surprise from FBI employees circling in a plane overhead. "You can hear it," one FBI employee in the plane says of the gunfire, which federal agents believed was coming from a man with a handgun north of the compound. However, the tape does not make clear who was firing, and an FBI effort to locate the gunman was unsuccessful. Ghigliotti said he believes the gunfire came from an FBI agent and was picked up by his microphone as he fired. He said the videotapes he reviewed show gunfire toward the compound at the time that the audio is picking up the shots. Several armored vehicles were clustered in the area of the gunfire, according to Ghigliotti. From 1991 to 1995, Ghigliotti, 42, was paid by the FBI as a thermal imaging expert on an array of environmental dumping cases, according to an FBI document. Ghigliotti "performed reliable work for the FBI," the 1995 document states. In 1993, Ghigliotti was sentenced to 18 months of unsupervised probation and fined $250 for assaulting the owner of a dump site. Ghigliotti, who had prepared documents for a Maryland environmental agency, alleged that the dump site owner duped him by posing as a county watchman to improperly gain access to the documents. Ghigliotti's allegation of FBI gunfire came as former Missouri senator John C. Danforth met yesterday in Texas with attorneys for families of Branch Davidians who died in the siege, who have filed a wrongful-death suit. Danforth was appointed Waco special counsel last month by Attorney General Janet Reno, who directed him to answer a number of key questions, including whether FBI agents fired their weapons. Michael Caddell, the lead lawyer in the $100 million wrongful-death suit, claimed that he also has new information relating to possible FBI gunfire and said that he intends to give it to Danforth. Based on clearer, newly released FBI infrared surveillance tapes, Caddell contends that there was a gun battle between Davidians and federal agents on April 19 and that gunfire was coming from at least three government positions. "Folks are shooting
[CTRL] Fwd: Louisiana high school tags students
r, the principal doesn't believe this poses a security threat to students since it takes the student a long time to decipher a code. In most instances, the student wouldn't have time to decode the encryption unless another student let him. Commenting on the school's policy, Marc Rotenberg, director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, said, "I think it's a terrible idea to be treating high school students like they're prison inmates. I don't think the need has been established. I think it's significant that even at Columbine where they had a terrible tragedy, parents resisted a lot of the proposals for very invasive monitoring and police presence at the high school." Analyzing the policy as to how it relates to high school students, Dean said policies such as these start with harmless bits of information on a card. The student is led to believe the card is a good idea when trips through cafeteria lines and book checkouts in the library go faster. Thus, they readily accept the card policies without even considering what may be coming down the road. "That's generally how these things start," said Dean. "It's a convenience or an efficiency and so on ... Before you know it, the frog is boiling." © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com, Inc. -- Kathleen To succeed in politics, it is often necessary to rise above your principles. This signature was made by SigChanger. You can find SigChanger at: http://huizen.dds.nl/~phranc/ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_dougherty_com/19990922_x cjod_liberals_d.shtml WEDNESDAY SEPTEMBER 22 1999 Liberals don't solve problems Plus: Has Annan lost his mind? © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com So, you're still a liberal after seven years of Bill Clinton and decades of liberal activists making your life miserable from the bully pulpits of the bureaucratic agencies? That's too bad; maybe this story will finally change your mind. According to the Associated Press, the San Francisco Unified School District is ready to embark on another nonsensical policy to further integrate and "diversify" their public schools. The concept is called a "diversity index," and it is designed to make sure that an equal number of ethnic groups are represented at each school. Students are screened upon -- among other things - - their ethnicity, income, test scores and English proficiency. "A student whose 'individual profile will contribute to increasing the diversity of (a) school will have priority for assignment/admission to that school,' according to the plan, worked out over the summer by a 27-member committee of district employees," wrote AP. Now, a federal judge (no, not a state judge) will consider this proposal at a Nov. 5 hearing. This plan will replace earlier school integration policies, which barred schools "from having more than 45 percent of students from any one ethnic group and required (schools) to have at least four ethnic groups represented." That policy, according to AP, was initially created because the NAACP -- sensing that blacks weren't afforded equal opportunities to go to certain public schools -- sued the school district and won. But that suit "also prompted another lawsuit, filed in 1994, in which several Chinese-American families claimed their children were being unfairly excluded from some schools -- including one of the city's most prestigious," the report said. "School officials, the NAACP and lawyers for Chinese-American students and parents agreed to a settlement in February which said, in part, that 'race or ethnicity may not be the primary or predominant consideration in determining ... admissions criteria.'" And yet, the new rules -- if ordained by a High and un-Holy Federal Judge -- will force the school district to do precisely what these group leaders have said they wouldn't do, which is admit students based on a racial and ethnic set of realities. "Ethnicity, English proficiency, test scores, and income." Oh, heck no -- there's not going to be any bias in determining those factors, unless you're white or you speak English well. Flaming liberals have infested our government schools at every level of leadership. But that wasn't good enough because now some of their own are still challenging every damned thing they do. If it weren't so sad, it'd be funny. Liberalism in this country has fostered lawsuits like this one -- mostly from other liberals -- and has created an environment where the insanity of pure democracy (everyone has an equal say) has been fully implemented. Such circumstances turn very simple concepts (like attending school) into legal quagmires and public relations nightmares because the reality is you simply cannot accommodate everyone all the time. Getting an education in this country shouldn't be a political issue, nor should it be an issue driven by a selfishly grandiose agenda or statistical data. It's no wonder Americans are getting their kids out of public schools when they can. All of this serves the liberals right -- they created this mess. But unfortunately all kids involved in the incubus of today's public education system are suffering from the stupidity of liberal parents and adult education peers. This is yet another example of how socialistic liberals create more problems than they ever solve -- especially when they upset the natural order of things. Has Kofi Annan lost his mind? Being Secretary General of the United Nations must be a really tough job, because I think Kofi Annan has lost his mind. In a story published yesterday, the U.N. leader pronounced that he foresees increasing international intervention in trouble spots like East Timor as the world moves "from a culture of reaction to a culture of prevention." Stupid me; I still believed the world was mostly filled with nations who'd rather take care of their own problems -- just like the hypocrite western nations who champion this lunacy called "globalism" and who would never allow, say, China, to deploy their "peacekeepers" in our streets. In a speech delivered to the U.N. body on Monday, Annan said state sovereignty is being redefined by the forces of globalization and international cooperation and declared, "The state is now widely understood to be the servant of the people, and not vice versa." In his dreams. Traditional considerations of national sovereignty will no longer be taken into account, Annan said, and governments "must not allow divisions within the Security
[CTRL] (Fwd) Fw: Waco Rebuild Press Release
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded message follows --- Ain't Janet Reno just gonna *love* this? eg http://www.infowars.com/waco_press.html PRESS RELEASE For Immediate Release: September 12, 1999 Contact: ALEX JONES @ 512-331-9191 98.9 KJFK-FM Documentary Filmmaker and Radio Host Alex Jones to Spearhead the Rebuilding of the Branch Davidian Church in Waco, Texas on Its Original Site Austin, TX -In 1993, a religious community, with a history dating back to the 1930's in Waco found itself caught in the middle of a 1990's version of a witch-hunt. All that remains now at the Branch Davidian community site where the church once stood is high grass, cactus, rubble and barbed wire. For the last six years, documentary filmmaker and radio host, Alex Jones has been at the forefront of exposing the government cover-up of its violation of the First Amendment that entails the Freedom of Religion and the free exercise thereof. With the support of surviving Branch Davidians, Jones will spearhead the building of a new, completely functional, substantial church on Mount Carmel on the site where their church was destroyed in 1993. Alex Jones has a strong relationship with all of the surviving Branch Davidians who are not incarcerated. He has interviewed them all on radio, television and for his documentaries. "First and foremost, we have to understand that these people were scattered to the four winds. Those who weren't killed or falsely imprisoned have little identity due to the fact that their cultural and religious center was destroyed. I say we set out to ressurect this structure as a monument to freedom of religious and cultural expression, and as a reminder to the dangers of the government having police powers that are too wide and undefined," says Jones. Jones is dead serious about the construction project. Earlier this year, Jones and his associates were horrified to learn that Joe Campana, a World War II and Korean War Veteran with 100 percent disability was about to have his home demolished by the City of Austin, which had condemned it as "unsafe." Racing against city bulldozers, Jones and his associates met with Joe Campana and within 13 days, a city record, had built him a new, fully furnished home thanks to a community of volunteers that joined forces and donated materials to help out the disabled veteran. The story of the rebuilding of Joe Campana's home was documented and supported by Austin CBS affiliate KEYE-42, FOX-7 and featured in the Austin-American Statesman in two articles dated Tuesday Jan 26, 1999 and Sunday February 7, 1999. More information on the rebuilding of Joe Campana's home can be obtained in an article titled "Miracle on 49th Street" which can obtained by visiting Alex Jones' website: www.infowars.com and clicking on the link to www.vicvreeland.com. With architects and engineers already in place, Jones will continue to call out for volunteers to help rebuild the church in Waco, with an aim to begin construction by next Sunday. Volunteers of all trades, anyone wishing to donate materials or funds for the construction, and anyone willing and able to lend a helping hand should can the volunteer line at 1-512-292-0700. Updates will be ongoing at Alex Jones' website at www.infowars.com. Construction will be ongoing, with no construction to take place on Saturdays, which is a holy day for the Branch Davidians. Jones will continue to call out for volunteers for the construction project. Interviews with surviving Branch Davidians, David Thibideaux and Clyve Doyle, who support the project, will take place on Alex's Show - "The Final Edition" between 8:00-10:00 PM Central on 98.9 KFJK-FM (Lampassas, Killeen, Austin) this Monday and Tuesday, and on his national show, "Exposing Corruption" on Genesis Communications between 1:00-2:00 PM Central. --- End of forwarded message --- This tagline was Shirley MacLaine in a previous life. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research
[CTRL] Expended flares found among siege evidence
-Caveat Lector- http://www.dallasnews.com/specials/waco/0908wacowaco.htm Expended flares found among siege evidence DPS chief calls find important, questions use 09/08/99 By Lee Hancock / The Dallas Morning News © 1999, The Dallas Morning News Expended military illumination flares fired by U.S. government personnel have been discovered in the tons of evidence recovered from the Branch Davidian compound, the head of the Texas Department of Public Safety said Tuesday night. Texas Rangers searching a Waco storage facility Friday for missing pyrotechnic tear-gas grenades discovered one of the military devices, a star parachute flare. Evidence logs indicate that more of the flares were recovered in the weeks after the compound burned following an FBI siege and tear-gas assault April 19, 1993, said James B. Francis Jr. of Dallas. "These flares are potentially a very important issue, inasmuch as the government had enormous spotlights trained on the compound throughout the standoff," Mr. Francis told The Dallas Morning News. "They didn't need these flares to light the compound. One or more was fired. For what purpose or reason would these rounds be used?" he said. "I can't tell you whether they were [shot by] the military or FBI, but certainly, they were fired by government officials." FBI spokesman John Collingwood said he could not flatly rule out FBI use of illumination rounds at Waco. "Several times during the standoff they had people sneaking in or out of the compound at night. Whether they ever used them then, I don't know," he said. "But I can say categorically, we did not use illumination rounds on the 19th." The discovery of the incendiary illumination rounds raises new questions for federal officials already scrambling to explain why it took six years for the FBI to admit that its agents used pyrotechnic tear-gas rounds against the Branch Davidians on April 19, 1993. The government made that admission only after a former senior FBI official told The News that the use of the flammable rounds in Waco was "common knowledge" within the bureau's hostage rescue team. Attorney General Janet Reno has said that its use violated her strict instructions that nothing capable of sparking a fire be used during the FBI tear-gas assault. What next? With the discovery of the spent illumination round, Texas law enforcement officials said they are concerned about what else may be found in the 24,000 pounds of evidence recovered after the compound burned. The Rangers, who were asked to develop a criminal case after the siege began, were asked by the U.S. Justice Department to keep all evidence needed for the prosecutions of Branch Davidians that followed. But tons of other debris, including more than 300,000 rounds of ammunition and other ordnance stockpiled by the sect, has been kept in Waco. "There is a big semiwarehouse of spent munitions that has not been investigated," one Texas official said. "Nobody knew what they were looking for before now. Nobody was hunting for incendiary devices." A government investigator said Tuesday that a General Accounting Office investigation on military involvement during the siege was unable to resolve questions about the FBI's acquisition of high- explosive 40 mm military rounds during the standoff or the number of U.S. Army Special Forces personnel sent to Waco. Fort Hood source Defense Department records indicate that the high-explosive rounds were acquired along with the illumination rounds from nearby Fort Hood during the standoff. The sect's compound burned on April 19, six hours after FBI tanks began battering the building and inserting tear gas. Leader David Koresh and more than 80 followers died. Government officials have long maintained that the fires were deliberately set by the Branch Davidians. Federal officials also have insisted that the pyrotechnic tear-gas rounds were fired into a bunker away from the compound and were used more than three hours before the fire began. But where or when those devices, known as M-651 CS rounds, were acquired by the FBI is unclear. Mr. Francis said Texas Rangers on Tuesday obtained two unfired M-651s from the same manufacturing batch as those used at Waco from Redstone Arsenal in Alabama and Pine Bluff Arsenal in Arkansas. Mr. Francis said Rangers have traced a shell casing in their custody to a batch made for the U.S. military in the late 1960s. Defense denials Some recent news reports have included Defense Department denials that any pyrotechnic gas used at Waco came from U.S. military stores. Mr. Francis said Texas Rangers plan to return to Waco in the near future to search for a second parachute flare listed on evidence logs and other questioned items. "They have no military value other than to be an incendiary flare," he said of the flares. "The question this raises is how many are still to be discovered." Illumination rounds have been controversial in past high-profile FBI cases. They were used by FBI teams to burn the
[CTRL] H.R. 2655
-Caveat Lector- >President Clinton has decided to run the government by Executive Order >and fiat. Toady 12 terrorists promised not to bomb anybody again and not to >kill any more police officers-now isn't that good? We need to stop this >destruction of the Constitution. Here is some information on a Bill by >Congressman Ron Paul. Please act quickly. *** >Representative Ron Paul (Texas) and Representative Jack Metcalf >(Washington) recently introduced legislation (H.R. 2655 - The Separation of >Powers Restoration Act) to stop the long-time abuse of presidential executive >orders. H.R. 2655 will: > 1. Prohibit a presidential executive order from having the effect of >law. > 2. Suspend all states of national emergencies declared since 1976 (the >last time Congress canceled such declarations). > 3. Grant legal standing to individual members of the United States >Congress, state officials and private citizens who believe a presidential >executive order is unconstitutional. > 4. Repeal the 1973 War Powers Act. >H.R. 2655 will restore the separation of powers our country's founders >knew to be necessary. *** Go to http://www.ExecutiveOrders.org to help push H.R. 2655 through the House of Representatives and end the tyranny of executive orders. i Lawyers: The larval form of politicians. Powered by Pegasus Mail for Windows v. 3.02 beta 14 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Please help!
-Caveat Lector- I am helping to stop the abuse of presidential executive orders. This issue is very important. Please help. Go to http://www.ExecutiveOrders.org to learn more about it and to help out. Todays subliminal message is " " Powered by Pegasus Mail for Windows v. 3.02 beta 14 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: Reno's dogs won't hunt
-Caveat Lector- http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_metcalf/19990906_xcgme_re nos_dogs.shtml MONDAY SEPTEMBER 06 1999 Reno's dogs won't hunt Long ago and far away, Euripides said, "Man's most valuable trait is a judicious sense of what not to believe." And he never heard of Bill Clinton, Janet Reno, or Chuck Schumer. ... Defenders of the indefensible can't understand why so many of us don't trust our government to be honest, fair, or reasonable. Gee, it is well documented our president has repeatedly lied; our attorney general is either incompetent, or chin deep in multiple, major cover ups; Congress had displayed the strength of a cobweb in a tornado; and chronic violation of oaths has become standing operating procedure. Twenty-nine members of Congress have been accused of spousal abuse, seven have been arrested for fraud, 19 have been accused of writing bad checks, 117 have bankrupted at least two businesses, three have been arrested for assault, 71 have credit reports so bad they reportedly can not qualify for a credit card, 14 have been arrested on drug-related charges, eight have been arrested for shoplifting, 21 are current defendants in lawsuits, and just in 1998, 84 were stopped for drunk driving, but released after they claimed congressional immunity. Such are the men and women who have sworn a sacred oath to "... preserve and protect the Constitution. ..." The unnecessary tragedy of Waco is unraveling like a cheap rug. Janet Reno is metamorphosing from "I take full responsibility" to "Gosh, my subordinates lied to me. ... It's not really MY fault." Reno's pursuit for the truth of Waco is rivaled only by O.J.'s search for the "real" killers of Nicole and Ron. So how come a federal judge was required to resolve a dispute with the Texas Rangers over evidence? As the New York Times reported, "A federal judge was forced to intervene Friday after federal officials tried to block Texas Rangers from entering a Waco storage facility to search for evidence that pyrotechnic devices were fired at the Branch Davidian complex. That brief skirmish came the same day FBI officials in Washington released the second of two newly discovered aerial videotapes that include conversations between FBI commanders about the use of combustible teargas canisters." Janet Reno should resign, be fired "with prejudice," impeached for either incompetence or conspiracy, or sued under Title 18, Chapter 13, Section 242, which addresses the subject of deprivation of rights under color of law: Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death. The above is not the rantings of any radical right wing nut -- it is verbatim from United States Code Title 18, Chapter 13, Section 242. Gosh oh gee golly ... maybe it's just me, but it does kind of sound like it was specifically written for the kind of gross abuse of power under the color of authority that resulted in the Waco tragedy. Last week the FBI finally uncovered a Feb. 15, 1996 internal memo acknowledging they DID use a few military gas rounds. An anonymous FBI mouth said the memo stated no military teargas was fired "directly" at the compound "due to the potential for causing a fire." According to the General Accounting Office, the FBI had 50 40mm "illumination rounds" (flares) and 250 40mm "high explosive" rounds from the U.S. Army. What the hell was the FBI doing with H-E (high explosive rounds)? One official who spoke only on the condition he would not be identified said, "But why they had the H-E rounds, I don't know. ..." Reno is now trying on the hat of victim. She said, "What I asked for were assurances -- and I received assurances -- that we would not use incendiary devices or pyrotechnic means of delivering incendiary devices." According to a tape released last Thursday, a radio transmission in which the FBI's hostage rescue team commander, Richard Rogers,
Re: [CTRL] Fw: HOT: Rep. Barr calls for new Waco hearings
-Caveat Lector- Bob Barr is a half breed/half wit...not that there's anything wrong with that ===Bill. Oh, well, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Kathleen If Liberty means anything at all, it means the Right to tell people what they Don't want to hear! (by George Orwell) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Info source (was Re: [CTRL] Dutch to legalise euthanasia]
-Caveat Lector- Hope this doesn't turn out to be a duplicate. My ISP has been a little flaky recently - never know whether a message will go through or not. On 12 Aug 99, at 21:13, YnrChyldzWyld wrote: I'd like to know where you both get your supposed 'information'... I got mine from an article written by a Dutch physician. It was published sometime between 1988 and 1993 in one of the journals I received. It has been some time since I read it so I don't recall any further details. If I find some spare time I will attempt to track it down for you. "When the government's boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence." - Gary Lloyd DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SHOOTING THE MESSENGER --NYPOST (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- On 1 Aug 99, at 5:25, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 07/31/1999 6:18:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is something positively unseemly about the fact that Linda Tripp is the only central figure in the Monica Lewinsky mess to face criminal charges. Oh come off it. Linda Tripp not only disobeyed the law, but she betrayed a friend. Since Monica can't get her for giving the entire world a review of her sex life, at least let her get a little uncomfortable for breaking Maryland's law. And don't forget the clerk warned her. She went on with her scheme in spite of it all. Prudy Since we we can't even convict a President who has been cited for contempt of court and heavily fined, I feel the entire country no longer has the moral authority to convict anyone of anything. Linda Tripp should walk too, as well as everyone else facing any kind of criminal charge. The prisons should be emptied and we should all just get on with whatever we want to do. To h*ll with Washington. Ditto the Maryland Courts. If Clinton sucked, he would be good for something. Powered by Pegasus Mail for Windows v 3.11 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OT - Who or what is Nessie?
-Caveat Lector- Any time I post to CTRL I get a bounce from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mailer-Daemon) that says: Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to: nessie (Mailbox or Conference is full.) Maybe the list moderator could uns*b Nessie. I.R.S.: We've got what it takes to take what you've got! Powered by Pegasus Mail for Windows v 3.11 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Clinton Picks Tried Hubbell, Trie
-Caveat Lector- | Politics Headlines Saturday July 31 11:10 AM ET Clinton Picks Tried Hubbell, Trie By PETE YOST Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - The chief judge of the U.S. District Court bypassed the traditional random assignment system to send criminal cases against presidential friends Webster Hubbell and Charlie Trie to judges appointed by President Clinton, according to court officials. U.S. District Judge Norma Holloway Johnson's decision to abandon the longtime random computer assignment for the high-profile cases has raised concerns among several other judges, according to Associated Press interviews with them. The judges also raise concerns about an appearance of possible conflicts of interest, because judges who got the cases were friendly with key players - presidential confidant Vernon Jordan and defense lawyer Reid Weingarten - and made rulings that handicapped prosecutors. Half a dozen judges, Republicans as well as Democrats, said they have high regard for the ethics and work of the two judges involved, Thomas Friedman and James Robertson, and do not believe they were improperly influenced. But the judges, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said they have discussed among themselves the public perception of ignoring the random draw - which is used in almost all cases - and passing over more experienced judges appointed by presidents of both parties. One judge said his colleagues have discussed whether assigning cases directly rather than using the random lottery raises ``an appearance problem at least'' and ``whether there has been impartial administration of justice.'' Johnson, Friedman and Robertson all declined repeated requests for interviews. The airing of the behind-the-scenes controversy provides a rare window into a court process sealed from public view. Johnson, an appointee of President Carter, assigned: -Friedman the Trie case, the first major prosecution from the Justice Department probe of Democratic fund raising. Clinton nominated Friedman, a former president of the local bar, in 1994. -Robertson the Hubbell tax case, Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr's first prosecution in Washington. Robertson is an ex- president of the local bar and a former partner at the law firm of former White House counsel Lloyd Cutler. Robertson was nominated by Clinton in the last days of Cutler's tenure as counsel in 1994. Robertson donated $1,000 to Clinton's 1992 presidential bid and has said he ``worked on the periphery'' of that campaign. When Johnson bypassed the random draw for these cases, there were 12 full-time judges on the federal court, seven of them Clinton appointees. Four were Republican appointees. The court also has a number of senior judges who work part-time. Experts said the assignments to Clinton-nominated judges did not violate any rules, but could shake public confidence. ``As far as assigning a recently appointed judge of the same party, it's dangerous, it's risky, it's hazardous because the outcome might support the cynical view that the judge did not decide the matter on the merits even though that may be the furthest thing from the truth,'' Columbia University law professor H. Richard Uviller said. New York University law professor Stephen Gillers said, ``If the case is high-profile, that should increase the presumption in favor of random selection.'' The assignments were confirmed to AP by several court officials with access to parts of the court computer system not available to the general public. Local court rules give Johnson the right to assign ``protracted'' cases to specific judges, although nearly all the cases in U.S. District Court here are assigned by lottery, court officials said. The Judicial Conference, the policymaking body for the federal judiciary, recommends that federal courts randomly assign cases. In March, the conference rescinded its 28-year-old policy which recommended giving chief judges latitude to make special assignments of ``protracted, difficult, or widely publicized cases.'' Actual practice varies from court to court. In the Southern District of New York where there are more than two dozen full-time judges, Court Executive Clifford P. Kirsch said, ``It's all been by a blind draw ... so it doesn't appear anyone is pre- selecting or favoring one judge over another judge.'' Johnson garnered headlines for her rulings against Clinton in the Monica Lewinsky scandal, rejecting privilege claims by the president and ordering White House lawyer Bruce Lindsey and Secret Service personnel to testify. Robertson dismissed the tax case against Hubbell, who eventually pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor when an appeals court reinstated the case. Johnson allowed a later indictment - charging Hubbell with lying to federal regulators - to be assigned at random by computer. By coincidence, the computer picked Robertson, who threw out the central felony count in the case. Hubbell pleaded guilty to that same felony count June 30 after an appeals court
Re: [CTRL] Fw: hi hairball
-Caveat Lector- On 30 Jul 99, at 17:23, day wrote: After reading this post, you will see that this is a very scary individual. I feel he/she should be kicked off the internet, Nah, just a typical California adolescent. Give it a few more years to grow up. Someone threw a beer at Clinton. He dodged it. No doubt a draft. Powered by Pegasus Mail for Windows v 3.11 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Klintoon Drug Accuser Set for Prison Release [SharleneWilson]
-Caveat Lector- On 28 Jul 99, at 16:52, Bill wrote: Chickies gonna die. I suspect you are right. War is the health of the State. - Randolph Bourne Powered by Pegasus Mail for Windows v 3.11 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On 28 Jul 99, at 18:22, Little Lolita wrote: -Caveat Lector- PLEASE TAKE ME OFF THIS MAILING LIST OR I'LL EXPOSE EVERYTHING. Is that cheering I hear coming from the gallery? People will die this year that never died before Powered by Pegasus Mail for Windows v 3.11 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: ARE YOU ONE?
-Caveat Lector- This is reportedly a hoax. Sixty Minutes and JR's staff both deny that she has ever appeared on Sixty Minutes. On the other hand, I have heard from people who claim to have seen the program where this was said. Maybe she did say this but it was another show? If anyone has any verifiable information I'd like to hear about it. Let's organize this thing and take all the fun out of it. Powered by Pegasus Mail for Windows v 3.11 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] UN Thugs Place OUR National parks off-limits
-Caveat Lector- Now, where can I find a UN flag to burn? DEFINE: De ting you get for breaking de law. Powered by Pegasus Mail for Windows v 3.11 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CTRL Digest - 2 Apr 1999 to 3 Apr 1999 - Special issue (#1999-167)
-Caveat Lector- bob i would also like to have the JESUS eXC. FILE SENT TO ME ALSO [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
