Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Vitamin Risk

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But doesn't this save our society from the enormous expense of using big  
pharma's weird  combinations to kill us off?   Remember when the  Clinton's 
informed us that Everyone will die.  I hate to tell you but  they were right. 
 
I'm awaiting the CODEX to become legislation right here,  so that our 
Government 
can regulate our diet, fluid intake, and any other thing  we ingest or 
digest.  You are all aware that pesticides and aspartame are  good for you.  In 
fact 
if you take enough pesticides and aspartame, they  will probably outweigh the 
negative effects of any vitamins you may  use.   Add a bit of fluoride to the 
mix, and you will surely live  forever.  Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: GOP Swiftboats Democrat Barack Osama --er, OBAMA-- as a Mu...

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In a message dated 1/20/2007 5:42:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
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On 1/20/07, Kay Yox _  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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nobody,s  smearing Obamathey are just tellilng it like it  is we do 
NOT need a MUslim  for a president  ...period





She might be right. Look what Bush has done to us  with his response to 
the personal revelations he has had from  God.There must be an atheist out 
there somewhere who can run  for the presidency.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: bush

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The perfect picture of the situation.   Prudy

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While Schou admits major mistakes on the part of Webb and his editors, he saves his harshest vitriol for The New York Times, The Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times, which severely criticized the series in the months after it ran. "So much of the reporting was personal and an attack on Gary Webb, it was unbelievable," Schou tells EP
Well, while Schou is willing to fault Webb, I am not. As far as I am concerned, The New York Times (Wen Ho Lee), The Washington Post, and The Los Angeles Times are simply mouth pieces for the Washington establishment, and their work is less credible than the EPA. Remember the advisement that the air post 9-11 in New York City was just fine.Schou is too, too kind. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] Misguided Theology Makes Bad Foreign Policy

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June 16, 2006 


Misguided Theology Makes Bad Foreign Policy 


Doug Bandow



Iraq is an unalloyed disaster. War with Iran would be even worse. Lebanon's Cedar Revolution has empowered groups hostile to America. Where is the new democratic dawn in the Mideast that the administration promised?
It certainly isn't represented in the Israeli-Palestinian "peace process." The West Bank is still occupied and Gaza is nearing civil war. Whether peace is possible if the two peoples separate is unknowable. The only worse option is for Israel to maintain a system of militarized apartheid-like rule over millions of Palestinians.
Yet some of President George W. Bush's domestic supporters oppose the slightest Israeli concession to the Palestinians. Before the 2004 election, Gary Bauer, one-time presidential candidate and head of American Values, lectured the president: "The land of Israel was originally owned by God. Since He was the owner, only He could give it away. And He gave it to the Jewish people."
Actually, God still owns the land of Israel. And that of America, for that matter. But that isn't a reason to oppose the Bush administration's peace plan.
Washington's fulsome embrace of Israel has long generated controversy – consider the fevered reaction to the famous (or infamous, depending on your viewpoint) paper by John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago and Stephen Walt of Harvard on domestic support for Israel. One can argue whether or not there is an "Israel Lobby," but there obviously are lobbies for Israel. That's unexceptional: interest groups have long attempted to influence American foreign policy. Eastern European ethnic groups pushed for NATO expansion, African-Americans lobbied to invade Haiti, ethnic Albanians pushed Washington to attack Serbia. (Sadly, such groups rarely seek peace; most often they want Washington to back their side in war.)
What makes support for Israel unique is the fact that part of it, at least, rests on theology. But not primarily Judaism. Even the vast majority of American Jews who support Israel do so more on cultural and ethnic than on religious grounds. It is some American Christians who are attempting to turn the U.S. government into a de facto arm of the church.
Most of those who hold such views are evangelicals. Neither Catholics nor mainline Protestants have so heavily rested their spiritual faith on the machinations of a secular state identified with another religion, whose residents largely see themselves in ethnic rather than religious terms. Non-evangelicals are far more likely to perceive the harm to Americans and injustice to others resulting from turning Mideast policy into an aberrant variant of Christian theology.
Developing an intelligent solution to the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians is insanely difficult. Moreover, sympathy toward Israel is understandable: there is no excuse for suicide bombings that slaughter and maim.
But Washington needs to develop a Mideast policy that advances America's national interests by reducing the likelihood of war involving the U.S. and attacks on Americans – basically staying out. Yet a number of Israel advocates appear to see their support as an outgrowth of their Christian faith. For instance, former Christian Coalition head and candidate for Georgia lieutenant governor Ralph Reed wrote, "[T]here is an undeniable and powerful spiritual connection between Israel and the Christian faith. It is where Jesus was born and where he conducted his ministry." True, but so what? This has nothing to do with the formulation of foreign policy for the secular nation of America, which represents non-Christians as well as Christians.
Columnist Maggie Gallagher writes, "[M]y support is based on an inchoate sense that if put into words would be something like this: As Christians, we just cannot sit by and let Islamic nations exterminate the Jewish people." Not that the Arab nations have that capability, but never mind. Should Christians care less about the killing of Christians by Muslims in Kosovo, Indonesia, and Nigeria? Or the killing of Christians and Muslims by Hindus in India?
It even sometimes alarms me that the Israeli are occasionally exterminating Christian Palestinians (that forgotten people) along with the Muslim Palestinians, but I guess the rule is killthem all and let God sort them out later. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] Army's Iraq Work Assailed by Brit Officer

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In an article published this week in the Army magazine Military Review, British Brig. Nigel Aylwin-Foster, who was deputy commander of a program to train the Iraqi military, said American officers in Iraq displayed such "cultural insensitivity" that it "arguably amounted to institutional racism" and may have spurred the growth of the insurgency. The Army has been slow to adapt its tactics, he argues, and its approach during the early stages of the occupation "exacerbated the task it now faces by alienating significant sections of the population."

It has been obvious since the beginning that our military had no idea how to deal with a resident population, and no interest in learning. Of course their Commander in Chief shares much of this with them. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Journalist Investigating Missing Millions in Iraq Arrested --...

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Dr Fadhil is working with Guardian Films on an investigation for Channel 4's Dispatches programme into claims that tens of millions of dollars worth of Iraqi funds held by the Americans and British have been misused or misappropriated.

You know, just the other day, my husband asked me if there had ever been any info released on the truckloads of money (both dollars and marks) and gold that they showed us on television when they were running round Iraq right after we invaded. They actually showed semi's full of cash. They haven't talked about that for a long, long, long time. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] new technology at anwr

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A good example of the oil industry working to lessen the footprint ofdevelopment occured at Kaktovik. Drilling operations in the well werecompleted in April of 1986; all traces of development was removed duringthe summer of 1986 and the area was revegetated.

Wonderful. Now perhaps they will take away the detritus that is scattered all over from the pipeline construction. It's not that the developers cannot clean up after themselves; it is that they will not do it. They happily give up the .50 an acre or so that our government threatens to fine them with, because the bottom line is their only consideration. When I'm looking at carabou resting happily next to the rusting worker quarters, I can guess that they will just stand there until they fall down.It's what I call the western method. Anyone who has lived in the western states knows that the ranchers abandon their broken machineryright in the fields, andit simply sits there and falls to pieces after enough years. That's why the cattle all have a magnet in theirstomachs, so they can graze safely amid the debris. Go to New Mexico and take a look at the remnants of the mines that are no longer being worked. All the trash is right there. Wouldn't want to clean up. Might set a precedent. We don't really need "new" technology. We need a clean up of the corporate mind. Prudy
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 Given Rove's track record for dirty-tricks and questionable ethics, few will be surprised. In February 2005, Bush said: "Karl Rove is a long-time advisor and trusted member of my team. His hard work and dedication have been invaluable. I appreciate Karl's willingness to continue to serve my Administration in this new position."
And he will be pardoned. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] U.S. doctors linked to POW `torture'

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Physicians are there for thebenefit of patients and if they are seen to be there for some otherpurpose, it really blurs what they're doing."
Let's see now. Has it become the "hipocritical oath" administeredin honor of Dr. Mengele? How do they say that? MEDICINE ON THE CUTTING EDGE! Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] Israel Signing NPT Key to Peace in Middle East

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Think the Palestinians are worth it?Eh?
No, and neither are the Israeli. Any peoples who cannot make peace in fifty years are not needed on the planet. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] Israel Signing NPT Key to Peace in Middle East

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Israel must sign the NPT and all its nuclear facilities must be subject toinspection by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and this mustbe made a basic condition for any future security arrangement, the Cabinetsaid.
Well, what's wrong with that? Of course Israel won't sign it. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] More Police State Laws Part of New Intelligence Bill

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The new legislation broadens prohibitions against providing material supportto terror groups, makes it a crime to visit a terror camp that providesmilitary-style training and allows the FBI to obtain secret surveillancewarrants against "lone wolf" extremists not known to be tied to a specificterrorist group. It also makes terrorism hoaxes a federal crime and toughenspenalties against people who possess weapons of mass destruction.

Have they ever come up with a genuine definition for "weapons of mass destruction"? I know people whose cooking might be considered to fit the bill. A gun with two bullets? three bullets? How many is "mass"? Does the FBI agent get to decide on his own? I'm really curious. Prudy
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Clarence Thomas would be an ideal choice for chief justice.

They might as well. He always does what he's told. He's found a hobby. AND his wife works (for pay) in whatever conservative cause is going at the moment. He's perfect. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] Carlyle leads pack for Chinese group

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Carlyle leads pack for Chinese groupby Shu-Ching Jean Chen in Hong Kong Posted 12:00 EST, 25, Nov2004Washington D.C.-based Carlyle Group has been selected as preferred bidder to take a controlling stake in China's largest construction machinery developer, Xuzhou Construction Machinery Group Co. Ltd. for a reported price of as much as $400 million. 
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Yoram Kaniuk, author of a book about a Jewish violinist forced to play for aconcentration camp commander, wrote in Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper that thesoldiers responsible should be put on trial "not for abusing Arabs but fordisgracing the Holocaust".That's it. That's what I've always felt but did not have the talent to put into words. The actions of the Israeli against the Palestinians have always seemed unspeakable, more so than that of the American colonists with the American Indians.I never knew quite why, but this says it all. It's not the abuse of "Arabs." It is thatthe abusedisgraces the Holocaust. If we livelong enough, we learn. Prudy


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Re: [CTRL] 'Suicide tree' toxin is 'perfect' murder weapon

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Three-quarters of Cerbera victims are women. The team says that this may mean the plant is being used to kill young wives who do not meet the exacting standards of some Indian families. It is also likely that many cases of homicide using the plant go unnoticed in countries where it does not grow naturally
Drats. They must have heard of my method to abolish the bride burnings that for years was the method of getting rid of a young wife that the family didn't want--it was that the bride upon waking and finding herself on fire should rush to embrace her mother-in-law. I figured about two of those mothers-in-law being taken out along with the bride would cure the whole problem. Now the only thing for them to do is make sure that the mothers-in-law alwayseat half the food from the bride's plate. There has to be a way to teach India that their system of divorce is not nice. Prudy

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Scalia was nominated to the nine-member Supreme Court in 1986 by president Ronald Reagan to fill the seat vacated by William Rehnquist, who became the chief justice after Warren Berger retired. Now, with speculation that Rehnquist is on the verge of retirement after a recent diagnosis of thyroid cancer, Scalia may be the leading candidate to take his place.
And one wonders what the founding fathers might have thought of a judge of the Supreme Court who is all for religion in political life and a strong believer in nepotism as well. Won't he be the perfect successor to Rehnquist? Prudy
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"You're not such a scary guy," joked his guide. "Yes, I am," Rove replied. Walking away, hemuttered deliberately and loudly: "I change constitutions, I put churches in schools ..." Thushe identified himself as more than the ruthless campaign tactician; he was also the invisiblehand of power, pervasive and expansive, designing to alter the fundamental American compact.
And he is. Remember that guy in Ayn Rand's "Fountainhead"? Wasn't his name Tooey or something? He's come to life. Prudy
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Pentagon turns heat up on Iran --Washington and European Union on collision course over how to neutralise Tehran's nuclear capabilities --Pentagon hawks have begun discussing military action against Iran to neutralise its 'nuclear weapons threat,' including possible strikes on leadership, political and security targets. 
But of course, it's the only way. Mr. Sharon is waving his list around, and George had better listen. Prudy
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ASHINGTON, Nov. 21 - In the afterglow of his re-election, President Bush declared that he had''earned capital in the campaign, political capital, and now I intend to spend it." But the capitalthat he put on the line was not enough this weekend, when recalcitrant House conservatives refusedto back an intelligence bill for which he had personally lobbied.
Don't you think it may all be a comedy created to convince us that there is some division between the president and congress? After all when everybody in Washington is a Republican, the people might begin to suspect that we're living under a dictatorship. What better method to convince them they're wrong than to have congress pretend to have a mind of its own. It's all just too, too cute. Prudy


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Re: [CTRL] Kerry Lost, But 'Scandal of Pro-Abortion Catholics' Continues,

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The American Life League published an ad in Tuesday's Washington Times, warning Catholics that "the scandal of pro-abortion Catholic public figures continues."
I know it has become a popular phrase, but nothing so demonstrates ignorance more than the word "pro-abortion." The real word is "pro-choice." There is no one on the planet who could be described as "pro-abortion." Pro-choice means that babies would be done away with prior to birth by women who really did not want the child, not birthed and then sold for various purposes, thrown out of third-floor windows to see ifit bounces; or left in the care of creeps called "boyfriends" by crack addicted prostitutes. Pro-abortion actually has no meaning. It's not that abortion should not be defined as murder. I wouldn't argue that, although blaming the medical professionals who provide the service makes as much sense as blaming a dairy farmer for your lactose intolerance. It's all on the soul of the mommy or the daddy. I've yet to hear of a medical professional dragging a woman kicking and screaming into his or her office to abort a fetus. If every Catholic refuses to have an abortion, I think that'swonderful. That would do more to keep abortions down than all the marching and protesting could evereffect. I've only known two women in myover seventy years who had abortions. One was Catholic and one was a Moslem. Neither woman wanted the abortion, but their respective husbands insisted on it. The Catholic threateneddivorce if she did notdo as he wanted. And one of the most vehement protestors I've ever known of marched and yelled at women going into clinics, yet his teenaged daughter had three abortions. It would be nice ifall the folks just worried about their own and their family's abortions. That should cut the rate down so drasticallyeveryone coulduntwist their panties and go home. Prudy 
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Truer words were never spoken. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] how could a baptist vote for John Kerry?

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In a message dated 10/27/2004 3:54:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
-Caveat Lector-1.) John kerry is pro abortion2.) John Kerry is pro-homosexual3.) John kerry is pro homosexual "marriage"

Have you ever noticed that George (like most Conservatives) is only against these things as long as they do not involve him, his family or his rich friends. I recall a conversation with a cousin in Florida who mentioned that her neighbor was out marching in protest at some abortion clinic (I'm not sure the clinic was even in Florida), but he was protesting as loudly as possible. "Well," I said. "He has a right to his convictions." 

"Oh sure," she replied, "but his 16-year-old daughter has had three abortions." 

It's pretty typical, I guess. Conservatives aren't worried about their behavior. Apparently they think God only observes the behavior of non-conservatives. It's your abortion, your homosexuality that concerns them. As long as they bray loudly against that, God will never notice what they do. As for me, I just want Canadian slaves. Prudy
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"'It is very important that Bolivia meet its eradication goals this year,'Charles Shapiro, the U.S. State Departments Andean envoy, told the press onThursday. 'The president says that the goal of 8,000 hectares (20,000 acres)eradicated will be met. But the new agreement says that (the government)will carry out a study and not eradicate all the coca in the Chapare. Thisis troubling.'
Well there are traditions and traditions. The chewing of coca leaves while traditional in the Andes is not traditional in Israel. Mr. Shapiro cannot be expected to understand that Andean traditions have any importance. He's a perfect envoy for the Bush Administration. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: After the vote, no president

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In a message dated 10/20/2004 7:13:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

How did we reach this danger? When Al Gore dragged Florida's courts into the election process, the U.S. Supreme Court did not make the prudent decision to refuse to be dragged into what Justice Felix Frankfurter called the "political thicket." If the court had allowed Florida's intrastate power struggle to proceed, here is what probably would have happened:
Florida's runaway Supreme Court would have done what it seemed determined to do: it would have continued to rewrite the state's election laws and vote-counting rules until they produced a Gore victory. 
What a shame that would have been. Imagine four more years of relatively high wages and employment; imagine no war in Iraq. Over a thousand of our young people would still be alive, and the thousands of amputees would be whole and hardy. How awful to think that the two Koreas might by now be having cordial relations, and the entire world would not think that the United States had degenerated into a kind of stumbling dictatorship. The Arab world would not think of us as a golem taking care of Israel's light work. We can't allow any of that silly stuff. I think we should let the Supreme Court pick our next president too. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] Kerry flip on West Bank wall may cost votes, some say

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What would cost votes? Both Kerry and Bush are ready to stand behind 
every act that Israel makes. Both are ready to commit American lives and 
money at Israel's behest. No difference here at all. 
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The military doesn't care if you die--just as long as you follow 
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Re: [CTRL] U.S. to sell Israel 5,000 smart bombs

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Among the bombs the air force will get are 500 one-ton bunker 
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By gosh that should get those terroristic Palestinians where they 
live. Won't need the bulldozers for months. 
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Re: [CTRL] China's Environmental Nightmare

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Isn't man's stupidity amazing? When the Soviets, the Chinese, and 
just about every other previously less developed nation had the opportunity to 
observe what happened in the United States and Europe, wouldn't you think they'd 
have enough brains to make their progress in such a way that they would not 
leave their environment in ruins? But no, they gallop along like the 
perennial drunken Joseph never noticing for a moment that they are leaving their 
world in ruin. I guess they are getting money and lots of toys, but think 
before they leap--no way. Anyonebelieving the Chineseto be 
bright had better think again. It appears that mankind shares its 
principal attribute - acquisitiveness - no matter where you go, and it is in 
tandem with that otherbit - shortsighted stupidity. 
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Re: [CTRL] Kerry/Edwards Website Censors Discussion Of Israel/Palestine Issues

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John 
  Kerry and John Edwards support the creation of a democratic Palestinian state 
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Isn't it comforting to know that Kerry and Edwards are so innocent as to 
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Still? 
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Re: [CTRL] Government to End Public Nuclear Updates

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Just keep your potassium iodate handy. 
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Re: [CTRL] McGreevey Sex Scandal- Israeli Intelligence Operation?

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In a message dated 8/17/2004 8:07:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
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NEW 
  YORK, Aug. 16 /US Newswire/ -- America's most respected 
  foreignpolicy/intelligence analyst, Out2.com's Andy Martin, will publish a 
  column andhold anews conference in New York today (Aug. 16) to 
  disclose that the New Jersey sexscandal involving Gov. James McGreevey was 
  really an Israeli intelligenceoperation gone sour.

What's sour? Looks like things are going according to Israel's 
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Re: [CTRL] New Doubt Cast on Crime Testing in Houston Cases

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In a message dated 8/5/2004 4:55:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
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The 
  official whose testimony was challenged, James Bolding, said in a telephone 
  interview that he did not recall the particular case. But Mr. Bolding said 
  that both his scientific work and his testimony were always careful and 
  professional. When he testified in 1987, he was the supervisor of the 
  laboratory's serology unit. He later became the head of its DNA 
unit.

These folks better be careful. You say anything bad about anything or 
anybody from Texas and the Clear Channel will see to it that your music is never 
heard again. Prudy


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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [cia-drugs] Fwd: Whatever Happened to Journalistic Integrity?

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In a message dated 8/2/2004 1:40:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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  It used to be that when an 
  investigative reporter uncovered an obvious scandal or sell-out of the 
  public trust by elected officials or other government agencies sworn to serve 
  and protect, it would be front-page-news Pulitzer Prize Winning material 
  not so apparently anymore! When I approached a local 
  reporter his quote was, political hot potato and he ran the other 
  way
  
  Wheres the integrity of the 
  press?

I've wondered about all that too. When George Seldes died (he wrote 
"Tell the Truth and Run") C-SPAN, that last bastion of media responsibility, did 
not mention one word about him. I don't think that was an accident. 
I don't think that even Brian Lamb wants to have anything to do with real 
investigative reporting. It appears that the press has joined the other 
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Re: [CTRL] UN Vote Ominous For Israel

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He 
  managed to transform the InternationalCourt of Justice's sharp advisory 
  opinion about Israel's separation fence intoan acrimonious resolution of 
  the UN General Assembly, gaining another victory inthe Palestinians' 
  diplomatic campaign against the fence.

Wouldn't it have been a good thing if the UN General Assembly had been 
around when Hitler started his shenanigans. We might have escaped the 
entire Holocaust thing altogether. Prudy


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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [Spy News] U.S. underestimated war costs by billions

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The title is not right, but the first paragraph of the posting is. It 
was not the U.S. which underestimated the war costs. It was the Bush 
Administration. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] UN Vote Ominous For Israel

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In a message dated 7/22/2004 1:51:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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I still 
  love you but you continue to be beyond my 
comprehension.

My husband says the same thing. Oh well. Sorry Owl. We 
all have our conceptions of what Israel is, and I think Israel is top dog over 
there. I've never accepted the theory that Israel is our 
friend. I see a useful collaboration between two governments--well, useful 
to some anyway. The Palestinians are doomed. They just won't lay 
down and die in an accommodating manner. They haven't had to say "never 
again." They never gave over the first time. 
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Re: [CTRL] More re Israel/What if.....

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I for one always thought that would have been a really good idea. At 
that time there would have been no trouble at all. It would have been 
right for the reparation money to have gone to the families or descendents of 
those driven from their homes and businesses. When last I read about the 
reparations sent to Israel for those who survived the Holocaust, the money was 
kept by the state. The logic of that escapes me. 

The story of the impoverished who arrived in New York to live in the 
tenements, make pickles and encourage their children to succeed in every kind of 
industry, show business, manufacturing and even crime is matched around this 
city by the Italians and Polish. They have the same history of mothers and 
fathers who did everything in their power to ensure their children could become 
the doctors, lawyers, business owners and crime bosses that was the culture of 
their time. 

The Palestinians who believe the land of Israel belongs to them mirror the 
Native Americans who will be first to tell you that Columbus discovered 
nothing. Their land had not been lost. They knew exactly where and 
what it was. Like the land of Israel, the land of the new world was 
distributed by strange rulers to people from another place. The colonists 
of the new world took what they wanted and cited the authority of the crowned 
heads of Europe. The Indians weren't unhappy, but they were finally 
outgunned and starved into submission. The religious leaders told them 
their worship was wrong, and the new government gave them blankets (the smallpox 
germs were also free). The UN wasn't watching, so it was all 
right. 

Those who have power never will sharewhat they have. There 
should be roomfor all, and there could be, but there will never be. 
Jesus would not find himself welcome in Israel, and I doubt that the 
Zionist Christians would be really glad to see him either. 
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Re: [CTRL] A Kerry Adviser Leaves the Race Over Missing Documents (NYT)

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I really have a hard time getting upset about this matter. When I 
worked for the Air Force some years ago, I discovered the morning news was 
classified SECRET, and that while I could listen to it on my way in to work, the 
message that briefed our commander (and had the same info) was highly classified 
and had to be kept in the safe. For all I know it was never declassified, 
and the morning news for years back is resting in safes all over the 
country. I hate to break it to you but most of the stuff that is 
classified is about as important as yesterday's garbage. Sometimes I think 
they do it to bore any possible spies to death. 

I only remember one time when the mistreatment of classified matter might 
have been important. Remember when the head of the CIA, one Mr. John 
Deutch, took every bit of the CIA's classified material and put it on his 
personal computer at home. I can just hear the bit of conversation..."oh, 
you should check out my PC. It's really interesting..." I'm sure it 
was all very useful. So very clever of him. And even after it was 
all discovered and he was relieved and lost his CIA clearance, his clearance at 
our Pentagon went on for six months after all that. I've never known 
ifMossad considers him an operative or just a good friend. 


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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [Spy News] Welcome to the Matrix

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I guess we all know that the Republicans really want to get the Government 
out of our lives. What could prove that more than the Matrix? 
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Re: [CTRL] Cheney Faces Criminal Indictments

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Vice 
  President Dick Cheney faces criminal indictments for illegal 
  activitieswhile CEO of energy giant Halliburton and also illegally 
  intervened to secure a$7 billion no-bid contract for his former employer 
  after his election to office,an analysis by the White House counsel's 
  office concludes.The Vice President is currently under investigation 
  by French authorities forbribery, money laundering and misuse of corporate 
  assets while at Halliburtonand also faces a U.S. Securities  Exchange 
  Commission probe of a $180 million"slush fund" that may have been used to 
  pay bribes.

Impossible. We all know that the Bush White House is the most moral 
and honest that has ever been. Ask Mr. Cheney. He'll tell you I'm 
right. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] Israelis Execute 9 Year Old Soccer Playing Terrorist

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Meanwhile, witnesses said Israeli helicopters had fired two missiles 
  into BeitHanoun in northern Gaza, injuring several people, one critically. 
  Israelimilitary bulldozers began destroying olive groves and orchards in 
  Beit Hanoun tostrip militants of cover.

And of course it's such a good idea to deprive them of food also. 
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Re: [CTRL] Israel Slams Mock Apartheid Fence By Aid Group

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Israel's 
  deputy chief of mission in Denmark, Ephraim Ben-Matityahu, 
  saidDanChurchAid was making a political statement, and "it is a disservice 
  to theDCA to go and involve itself in such political activism.""If 
  it's political activism, fine, but don't call yourself an aid 
  organization,"Ben-Matityahu said.

Why didn't he just say it was anti-Semitism? That's the usual way to 
describe anything that criticizes Israeli policy. 
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Re: [CTRL] Kerry Crawls For Sharon

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In a message dated 7/1/2004 9:38:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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WASHINGTON - In a position paper outlining his stance on Israel, 
  Democraticpresidential candidate John Kerry promises not to negotiate with 
  Yasser Arafatand expresses support for Israel's right to defend itself by 
  attacking terroristorganizations.The paper, entitled "John Kerry: 
  Strengthening Israel's Security and Bolsteringthe U.S.-Israel Special 
  Relationship," was sent in mid-June to a group of peoplein the Jewish 
  community as part of the Kerry attempt to maintain contact withJewish 
  supporters in the United States and to clarify his positions on 
Israel.

They said that the only difference was which class they graduated in. 
I didn't believe them at first, but it's getting clearer every day. 
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Re: [CTRL] We Agree, It's Disgusting

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In a message dated 6/26/2004 5:34:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
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Why 
  has John Kerry not denounced billionaire and Democrat Party donor George Soros 
  for comparing the Bush Administration to Nazis. Soros stated, "When I hear 
  Bush say, 'You're either with us or against us,' it reminds me of the Germans. 
  It conjures up memories of Nazi slogans on the walls, Der Feind Hort mit 
  

John Kerry and I both realize that George Soros knows Nazi methods well 
from personal experience. George Bush's "You're either with us or against 
us," tells a lot of us that George Bush's form of politics, comparable to that 
of the Nazi or not, certainly is a far cry from the democratic form of 
government that we enjoyed up until his selection. 
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Re: [CTRL] Michael Moore is a Big Fat Stupid White Man (fwd)

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  Moore has proved himself over and over to be the most shamelessly 
  dishonest -- if crudely effective -- propagandist since Joseph 
  Goebbels and Nazi documentarian Leni Riefenstahl.

Ooooh, did the bad man say bad things about the Bushies? 
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [NewPacifica] Seymour Hersh: Annals of National Security

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Aren't we lucky to have Israel to tell us what to do? 
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[CTRL] Re: [CTRL] Most Guantánamo Detainees Of Little Intel Value

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Isn't it amazing how many really stupid generals we're paying with our tax 
money. Look at Kimmit who thinks weddings in the Middle East are like 
weddings in Podunk, U.S.A. Most of these guys wouldn' know a camel driver 
from a camel. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] Apology

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Well we can see that you're sorry. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [ctrl] The Bush-Kerry Conundrum: Our Only Choice is the War P...

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Democrats, of course, are attacking Bush because they want John Kerry in theWhite House next year. Kerry says he will continue Bush's failed policy inIraq with the notable exception that he would "internationalize" the messand ask Europeans to help out in the murder of Iraqi freedom fighters andinnocent civilians.
I don't think I've ever heard any Democrat who was enthusiastic for Kerry. It's just anything to get Bush and his neo-con friends out of there. Of course Kerry could pass for a neo-con himself. Still I would vote for a Cocker Spaniel if it would unseat Bush. Prudy
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[CTRL] Fwd: sainthood????????

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Subject:
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Date:
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Subj: Heresy

There is, it seems, a unique form of American sainthood. The
qualification for which is that one be an ex-president and live long
enough after leaving office for people to forget what a
disaster your were. Consider, if you will the following short list about
Ronald Reagan.

He tripled the national debt.
He supported apartheid.
He backed Saddam.
He crushed worker rights.
His Star Wars was an expensive fantasy.
He backed death squads in Central America.
He ignored the rape of American nuns in Salvador.
He confused old movies with foreign policy.
He traded arms for hostages.
He diverted money to drug-running death squads.
His handlers blanched when he spoke to the press without a script.

So let us light a votive candle to Saint Ron.


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Re: [CTRL] Do Christians Owe Unlimited Submission To Civil Government?

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Only if the words "Civil Government" are actually the name of one or more husbands. If that is the name of one or more husbands, then the wife orwives of a man or men so named must submit graciously to him or them. Prudy 
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Re: [CTRL]

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Remember:More people have died in Ted Kennedy's car than have died inUnited States Commercial Nuclear Power plant operations

Yeah, but are you counting the deaths by leukemia of children who live in the vicinity of the nuclear power plants. I have't seen any studies for a while, but they used to discuss it fairly frequently. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] question: Re Northern Alaska

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The elk population is increasing in Alaska, because the idiots are shooting the wolves from helicopters so that the tourist hunters will be able to get an elk without having to work hard. As for the oil business coexisting with wild life, it doesn't have to be a problem, but the oil business is run by greedy slobs who do not take care with their procedures or their product. It costs a little money to be sure that everything is done neatly and timed correctly. Look at the mess the pipeline is. Look at the tundra that used to be where it is. Think about it. If a banker put his and your money in a big slide, piped it somewhere and loaded it into ships and tankers without any special care, and some (sometimes a lot) of the money just fell into the water or where ever it happened to be at the time, you'd think he was a moron. Well oil seems to be everywhere doesn't it? Ships that should be scrapped are transporting that precious product everywhere, going aground, and sometimes sinking. Don't worry about having to double hull them to keep from more Exxon disasters. Bush the First made sure that the oil boys didn't have to spend that kind of money in the interest of the environment, and I'm sure that Bush the Second has done lots of kind things for the same oil boys that we don't even know about. Besides it's sour crude. The oil boys aren't really too crazy about theidea of having to refine it. Theyjust want to sell it to Japan. Prudy 
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Re: [CTRL] Israeli Minister Demands Ethnic Cleansing of Israeli-Arab Citizens

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"We regard [Israeli Arabs] as part of the State of Israel,"he said.
Sure he does. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] Neo-Cons Conned by Iran

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An urgent investigation has been launched in Washington into whether Iran playeda role in manipulating the US into the Iraq war by passing on bogus intelligencethrough Ahmad Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress, it emerged yesterday.Some intelligence officials now believe that Iran used the hawks in the Pentagonand the White House to get rid of a hostile neighbour, and pave the way for aShia-ruled Iraq.
Oh goody, now we can blame Iran instead of the moronic neo-cons. That will give us a chance to declare war on Iran, and take on another of Mr. Sharon's enemy list. Oh why not? It's getting hard to blame Clinton for everything. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] It's Armageddon Time! Bush His Loyal Xian Fundamentalists Want Y...

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During the 2000 presidential campaign George Bush stated, I feel that God wants me to run for President. I cant explain it;  I know it wont be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it.
Just possible that wasn't God who was nudging him along. Satan is really clever. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] Justice Memos Explained How to Skip Prisoner Rights

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So it's all perfectly legal. I feel so much better. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [cia-drugs] Oops. Can Ethnic Cleansing Bring Back Jesus? Bush...

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Well if it can, I've been worshiping the wrong Christ all these years. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] SNET: What's Behind the Double Standard By Samuel Z.Anvil (fwd)

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Oh, the humiliation! The horror! No wonder the press cries out! Worldwiderevulsion, disgust and Moslem rage! Shame on you!Of course they're not speaking about what Sadam did to his own people:thegassings, the rapes, the strangulations, the mass graves, etc. Or any oftheatrocities countless Moslem leaders inflicted on their fellow Moslemsoverthe years. But why not? Weren't those things disgusting too? Is theresomething going on here that ordinary people like you and me don'tunderstand?
Just what part of "We're not really trying to be worse than Saddam." do you not understand? Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [ctrl] Beheaded Man's Firm Was On Right-Wing' Enemies' List

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I just checked them out a bit. The real reason that the left doesn't stand a chance against the right-wing is that the lefts can't really hate properly. I must have taught my children all the wrong values. I told them they should (no matter what faith they chose) try to emulate Christ--not run around shouting his name, but try to do and think as he seemed to do and think. I can see I was teaching them all the wrong values. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] Beheaded Man's Firm Was On Right-Wing' Enemies' List

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You must be talking about the 'liberal' left, since over the years (and I'm speaking of Australia, yet do not believe it's limited to here) the most viciously hateful types I've ever encountered are the Socialist Left. These are the factions which are typically involved in the Trade Union movement-- chip-on-the-shoulder, fire-in-the-belly, froth-at-the-mouth, and always poised for violent confrontation. There's such a strong bitternessunderpinning their hatred.
Never have been to Australia. Considering what the corporations (even here in U.S.A.) are doing to the workers, I can understand that some fire-in-the-belly might be showing. However in my experience the labor leaders are "doing" the workers also. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] Warnings That Sharon's Latest War Schemes Target Syria

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Well there's no question that Syria is second on Sharon's list. I'm sure he told George some time ago, because George is moving on Syria just like Sharon told him to. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't send troops over there to take care of some more of Mr. Sharon's light work. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] Israeli link possible in US torture techniques

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Israeli link possible in US torture techniquesIn exchange for interrogation training, did Washington award security contracts?
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4) To CBS's astonishment, President Bush's support has not fallenalong with declining support for the war in Iraq. From Allentown,Pennsylvania, Jim Axelrod marveled: "In the last month here in theLehigh Valley, support for the war has plummeted. Support for thePresident has not." 
I've noticed this. It appears that the American people knew when he was selected that he was what he was, and they like it. They didn't mind when he took their jobs, gave their tax money to the rich and corporate, and they don't mind when he takes their young men and women to fight a war against a noun. So let's not fuss. They will have the president they like and deserve, and all of us will learn how to live as a third world nation. Prudy
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I don't know, but the man in the photos who is about to be decapitated and the picture of Nick Berg that is being shown on television do not resemble each other in the least. And why would Berg grow a neat Moslem style beard? Prudy
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JERUSALEM, May 9 -- Controversial conductor Daniel Barenboim angered Israeliofficials Sunday when he criticized the country's occupation of the West Bankand Gaza as he accepted a prestigious Israeli award.
Poor guy. You know what happens to people who criticize Israel. Prudy
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The main question that arose yesterday after the military escalation that took place on the Lebanese-Israeli border and in the Shebaa Farms is the following: Why did Israel exaggerate its reaction Wednesday toward the firing by the Lebanese Army and Hizbullah of anti-aircraft artillery on Israeli aircraft? After all, those aircraft had violated Lebanese airspace.
It is impossible for Israel to violate anyone's airspace. Israel can fly anywhere she wants to. Israel is never to be questioned. Prudy
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May 6, 2004THE AGENCY 
U.S. Examines Role of C.I.A. and Employees in Iraq DeathsBy DAVID JOHNSTON and NEIL A. LEWIS




ASHINGTON, May 5  The Justice Department is examining the involvement of Central Intelligence Agency officers and contract employees in three suspicious deaths of detainees, two in Iraq and one in Afghanistan, federal law enforcement officials said Wednesday. 
Today I read a statement out of England in which an individual asked if shouldn't all these contractors over in Iraq working for various corporations be classified as illegal combatants? I'm not sure he isn't right. How do we think about that matter? We know that the Justice Department would never find fault with anything the administration does, but still this is a really curious situation. Many of them are armed.We certainly grabbed anyone fighting for the Afghani quickly enough. Has George ever come up with a definition for that illegal combatant? Prudy
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WASHINGTON, May 4  The Walt Disney Company is blocking its Miramax division from distributing a new documentary by Michael Moore that harshly criticizes President Bush, executives at both Disney and Miramax said Tuesday.The film, "Fahrenheit 911," links Mr. Bush and prominent Saudis  including the family of Osama bin Laden  and criticizes Mr. Bush's actions before and after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
Isn't it wonderful that Mr. Eisner is concerned about what we Americans get to read and see? Obviously he considers us all as abysmal idiots who cannot decide for ourselves whether or not to go to the theater to see a picture. My parents have been dead for years, so I probably should be intensely grateful that Mr. Eisner wants to take their place, but somehow it just brings out the rebelliious teenager in me, so I guess I'll just coddle my bad 
feelings and not do any business with Mr. Eisner at all. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] isn't time?

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Can you spell hydrogen?? Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] A Prison Tour With Apologetic Generals

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"A senior American commander said officers had been ordered to send their soldiers into the streets to assure Iraqis that what had happened at Abu Ghraib clashed with everything the United States Army stood for."

What a dumb idea. The soldiers will be lucky to return alive. -
How true. My husband (an retiree from the U.S. military) said even before all this that he thought the way over the top treatment of the four "contractors" was some kind of a revenge thing. It is very unMoslem to brutalize dead bodies, but if someone was insane with rage due to some weird kind of injury inflicted on their family (perhaps it was the family of the old woman forced to crawl around on the floor and ridden and called donkey), might just bring something like that about. I was skeptical when he talked about it, but I was not aware of the horrendous methods of extracting information that seem to have become popular with the so called intelligence types in Iraq. 
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Dyncorp, also mentioned here, has a shameful record in Bosnia (its employees were involved in sex slave trade)
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[CTRL] Fwd: [Spy News] The Good Guys Who Can Do No Wrong

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The Good Guys Who Can Do No Wrong

By Robert Fisk

05/02/04 The Independent -- Why are we surprised at their racism, their
brutality, their sheer callousness towards Arabs? Those American soldiers
in Saddam's old prison at Abu Ghraib, those young British squaddies in
Basra came -- as soldiers often come -- from towns and cities where race
hatred has a home: Tennessee and Lancashire.

How many of our lads are ex--jailbirds themselves? How many support the
British National Party? Muslims, Arabs, cloth heads, rag heads,
terrorists, evil. You can see how the semantics break down.

Add to that the poisonous, racial dribble of a hundred Hollywood movies
that depict Arabs as dirty, lecherous, untrustworthy and violent people --
and soldiers are addicted to movies -- and it's not difficult to see how
some British scumbag will urinate into the face of a hooded man, how some
American sadist will stand a hooded Iraqi on a box with wires tied to his
hands.

The sexual sadism -- the bobby--sox girl soldier who points at a man's
genitals, the mock orgy in Abu Ghraib prison, the British rifle in the
prisoner's mouth -- might be a crazed attempt to balance all those lies
about the Arab world, about the desert warrior's potency, the harem,
polygamy.
Even today, we still show the revolting Ashanti on our television
stations, a feature film about the kidnapping of the wife of an English
doctor by Arab slave--traders, which depicts Arabs as almost exclusively
child--molesters, rapists, murderers, liars and thieves. It stars --
heaven spare us -- Michael Caine, Omar Sharif and Peter Ustinov and was
made partly in Israel.

Indeed, we now depict Arabs in our films as the Nazis once depicted Jews.
But Arabs are fair game. Potential terrorists to a man -- and a woman --
they must be softened up, prepared, humiliated, beaten, tortured. The
Israelis use torture in the Russian Compound in Jerusalem. Now we torture
in Saddam's old jail outside Baghdad and -- for this is where British
soldiers beat a young Iraqi to death last summer -- in the former office
of Saddam's most murderous chemical warfare fascist, the awful Chemical
Ali.

And the officers? Didn't the British lieutenants and captains and majors
in the Queen's Lancashire Regiment know that their lads were kicking to
death a young Iraqi hotel worker last summer?

That man's fate -- and the documentary evidence proving that he was
murdered -- was first revealed by The Independent on Sunday in January.
Didn't the CIA boys at Abu Ghraib know that Ivan Chip Frederick and
Lynddie England, two of the American soldiers in the photographs published
last week, were obscenely humiliating their prisoners?

Of course they did. The last time I saw Brigadier General Janis Karpinski,
commander of the 800th Military Police Brigade in Iraq, she told me she
had visited Camp X--Ray in Guantanamo and found nothing wrong with it. I
should have guessed then that something had gone terribly wrong in Iraq.

I remember how in Basra, on the eve of a visit by Tony Blair, I visited
the British Army's press office in the city to ask about the death of
26--year--old Baha Mousa. The dead man's family had given me British
documents proving that he had been beaten to death in custody, that the
British Army had itself tried to pay off the family if they would give up
any legal claim against the soldiers who so cruelly killed their son.

I was met with yawns and a total inability to furnish information about
the event. I was told to call the Ministry of Defence in London. The
officer I spoke to appeared weary, even impatient about my inquiry. There
was not a single word of compassion for the dead man.

Back in September last year, General Karpinski was with a small group of
journalists in Abu Ghraib -- the 

[CTRL] Fwd: [Spy News] Henry Porter: The electrodes' switch is in Washington (+URL)

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Henry Porter: The electrodes' switch is in Washington

02 May 2004

The story of the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by US and British forces is
rightly gaining a demonic momentum. As a US Army report published by The
New Yorker followed revelations by CBS and the allegations by the Daily
Mirror, President Bush and Tony Blair must be wondering when it is going
to end. It is now clear that not only did they fail to find weapons of
mass destruction, but that their fall-back justification for the invasion,
that of bringing democracy and human rights to Iraq, is little more than a
sham.

The abuse, which is described by the US Army report as sadistic, blatant
and wanton, includes beatings, rape and serious assaults with chemical
lights. To the Middle East, it all provides a stark symbol of subjugation.
Whether or not people in Basra and Baghdad are better off than they were
is no longer the point. The gruesome irony that these terrible things
occurred at Abu Ghraib, the very prison used by Saddam Hussein's
torturers, will not be lost on Arabs.

The Americans have been negligent in the extreme to allow this situation.
Try as we might to forget these episodes, we can be sure that they will
live on in Arab minds for a generation. Al-Qa'ida and Hamas could not have
designed a better recruiting poster.

The Abu Ghraib portfolio is shocking, but not at base so surprising. Since
the war on terror was inaugurated in the dust of 11 September 2001, the
US has permitted itself a much more relaxed interpretation of civil
liberties. An individual's rights are not defined by any absolute standard
of decency but by his or her allegiance. Both public and media has squared
the national conscience on the question of prisoners being held without
trial or legal representation in Guan-tanamo Bay. Even the arrest of
civilians on the mainland, their detention without explanation or hope of
release, has caused little stir.

Quite apart from underlining how things have changed since 9/11, it is
clear that if the US is prepared to ignore the liberties defined in the
Bill of Rights of its own citizens, it doesn't require special
deliberation before foreigners are abused on their own soil by US Army
personnel and their contracted thugs.

I hope the same conclusion cannot be drawn about the state of Britain's
national conscience. Judging by the swift reactions of General Sir Mike
Jackson and No 10, we are at least taking the allegations very seriously.
Yet we are daily conceding liberties such as the universal right to trial
and I believe this largely unprotested trend will not be reflected well in
our armies serving abroad.

In the course of researching a novel, I came across alarming evidence of
arm's-length torture being committed by those acting on behalf of the
US. A contracted special forces mercenary, who has served in Afghanistan
and Iraq in both military and intelligence roles, avoided the question
when I first asked him about the interrogation of suspects in the war on
terror over lunch in London. Then he conceded that maybe they were
slapped around a little.

Does that include the use of truncheons and electricity? I asked. He
looked over his habitual dark glasses so we had eye contact. Who's to
know what foreign governments do to their citizens? That is not the
responsibility of the USG. The implication was utterly clear.

So far, we have evidence only of stress and duress ­torture lite, as it
is called by the professionals but there are grounds to believe that the
US has used a number of proxy nations to go the whole way with terrorist
suspects. There are rumours that Egypt, Jordan and Syria have all complied
with 

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It could be a crime to disclose information from such a document, although such violations are rarely prosecuted. Bush's advisers have repeatedly urged White House employees to cooperate with the inquiry. 
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So while I can't claim original authorship for the title, when my editor suggested it for this book, I could not deny that it describes perfectly what I have to say in more ways than I had anticipated. This book began as an admonition, an approach both "beware of Bush" and "Bush beware." Only ignorance or bliss, I figured at the time, could lead another president and White House to make the same kind of mistakes we made during Nixon's presidency. 
Of course Nixon did not declare anyone who didn't share the faith (whatever it is) or disagreed in the slightest as unpatriotic, and if he had, the people weren't so placid and dumbed down that they would have believed him. Look what happened to the Dixie Chicks for saying they weren't necessarily proud that Bush was from Texas. Of course I'm very glad he is. Now if he was from Pennsylvania, I would be holding vigils with our local Benedictines and contacting the Wiccan covens in the area asking them to cast circles or whatever else they do to protect us all. Where are the super heroes now that we need them? Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] Israelis Tie Child To Jeep As Human Shield

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In a message dated 4/23/2004 10:20:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The Supreme Court barred the use of Palestinians as human shields in 2002 afteran incident in which soldiers forced the neighbour of a suspected militant toknock on his door and deliver their ultimatum to surrender. The militant shotand killed the man.
This is almost funny. When did Israeli forces listen to any "Supreme Court"? The Israeli would spit in the eye of God if they thought He was telling them to stop harrassing and/or killing Palestinians. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] Kerry Indicates He Would Continue Bush's Pro-Sharon Policy

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Senator John Kerry has been defining himself as a Presidential candidate who would, if elected, continue the Bush foreign policy in regard to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. If you listen to what he is currently saying, you get a feeling that he wants voters (especially Jewish voters) to believe that a Kerry presidency would be even more supportive of the Sharon government, and actually less even-handed in its dealings with the Palestinians than the current administration. This is his present position despite some previous statements Kerry made fairly recently which indicate that he may have supported a more open-minded US policy toward the region.
Oh thank heavens. I had this hideous vision of the Israeli required to take down the fence, share the water, all sorts of dastardly things. I was so afraid that Kerry might not realize that Palestinians don't require humane treatment. So pleased to see that it will be business as usual even if Bush can't get those machines to work the way he wants them to. Prudy
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DEPLETED URANIUM WEAPONS OF WAR

Uranium is a naturally-occurring element that is both weakly
radioactive and a toxic heavy metal. Naturally-occurring
uranium contains two main radioactive isotopes: U-238 (99.3%),
and U-235 (0.7%). When uranium is enriched to make an A-bomb
(which requires lots of U-235), the leftover depleted uranium
(DU) is 99.8% U-238 and retains about 60% of the radioactivity
that was present in the original natural uranium.[1, pg. 3]

Depleted uranium is created by uranium enrichment plants that
process natural uranium to extract the U-235, but those same
plants also may process spent nuclear fuel from nuclear power
reactors. For this reason, some DU is known to be contaminated
with very low levels of some of the most dangerous radioactive
substances known to science: Plutonium-238, Plutonium-239,
Plutonium-240, Americium-241, Neptunium-237 and
Technicium-99.[1, pg. 6]

Radioactive decay is a natural process. Radioactive elements
spontaneously emit energetic particles or rays, and in the
process they change from one element into another. When U-238
spontaneously undergoes radioactive decay, it emits alpha
particles (and turns into Thorium-234). You can think of an
alpha particle as something like a tiny cannon ball -- it does
not travel very far (a few centimeters in air), but if it hits
a living cell, the damage can be enormous. Sometimes cells
damaged by alpha particles die immediately, but sometimes they
start to multiply uncontrollably, causing cancer. (The
International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has
identified internally deposited radionuclides that emit alpha
particles as Group I carcinogens, meaning substances known to
cause cancer in humans.[1, pg. 85])

So, DU's alpha particles won't penetrate the outermost (dead)
layer of your skin, but if you get DU inside you -- say, in
your lungs -- it can have deadly consequences. Several studies
of workers in uranium enrichment plants show that they get lung
cancer at higher-than-normal rates.[1, pg. 86]

The half-life of U-238 is 4.5 billion years, which tells us
that it does not decay rapidly and therefore that it does not
emit many alpha particles per second. However, many is a
relative term. In absolute numbers, a microgram of DU (a
millionth of a gram, and there are 28 grams in an ounce) will
emit slightly more than 12 alpha particles per second or 390
million alpha particles each year.[1, pg. 6] So one microgram
of DU lodged in your lungs will have more than a million
opportunities EACH DAY to start a cancer growing in your cells.
Obviously, the hazard is greater for children because they have
a longer lifetime ahead of them during which alpha particles
will have an opportunity to start a cancer, plus they are very
likely more sensitive to harm than adults (because they are
growing, so more of their cells are dividing).

In recent decades, as we have manufactured more atomic bombs
and therefore more depleted uranium, there has been growing
pressure to find new uses for our huge stockpile of depleted
uranium.[1, pg. 26] In my opinion, the psychology behind this
is pretty simple: as it becomes crystal clear that subsidizing
nuclear technologies was one of the dumbest mistakes humans
have ever made, there is enormous 

[CTRL] Great Idea

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You've read about all theseterrorists --- most of them came here legally, but they hung around onexpired visas, some for as long as 10 - 15 years. Now, compare that toBlockbuster: you are two days late with a video and those people are allover you. Let's put Blockbuster in charge of immigration!
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Re: [CTRL] Why is Senator John Kerry kowtowing to Israel

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Why is the Democratic candidate for the presidency of the United States,Senator John Kerry, kowtowing to Israel? In a speech at Brown University (28February) Kerry said, "...we must again reaffirm we are enlisted for theduration - and reaffirm our belief that the cause of Israel must be thecause of America - and the cause of people of conscience everywhere".

There are several reasons. For one thing, Senator Kerry recently discovered that he is actually Jewish and for another, he wants to be president. No one who is not for killing Palestinians and sending tons of cash to Israel will ever get elected to anything. Israel's causes now mean more to America than any cause America has ever had. I still say we should just give the presidency to Sharon (I believe they're now working to allow foreign-born citizens to be president) and cut out the middle man and keep the phone bills down. Prudy
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In what might be eerie coincidence or further disturbing evidence of a scheme for world domination, The Washington Post has assigned Bonesman Dana Milbank to chronicle the battle between Bush and Kerry.
How funny. It will be like the old days of the fights on radio. Anybody besides me old enough to remember the days of Don Dumfy? When television came along, we were all really surprised at the lack of action we were seeing. Don kind of invented the action and nobody complained at all. Bring em on, Dana. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] Letter to John Kerry

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In a message dated 2/27/2004 4:35:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
First, you are right. Iraq was not a threat. The problem was that Iraq'sgovernment was. The insinuation that Saddam Hussein was not a threat isabsurd. If Saddam Hussein was so non-threatening, the why did the UNfeel the need to pass 71 (http://www.casi.org.uk/info/scriraq.html)resolutions to condemn and contain, and control him and his cronies,including resolutions demanding that Saddam Hussein give up his WMDprograms?
That can't mean anything. The UN has passed lots of resolutions on Israel, and nobody considers Israel anything but the only democracy in the Middle East. Prudy
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[CTRL] Israeli Troops Raid Banks in Ramallah

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It's a whole new way of thinking. But why not? "Take what you want."  Wasn't that the motto of Alistair Crowley'sSatan worshippers or somebody?The Associated Press article that follows was in my morning paper this very day:

RAMALLAH, West Bank--Israeli forces burst into Palestinian banks on Wednesday, corralled employees, covered security cameras and seized at least $6.7 million in an unprecedented raid. Israel said Iran, Syria and Lebanese guerillas sent the funds to Palestinian militants.

Palestinian officials said the raid violated banking agreements and could trigger a run on the banks. "It's like the mafia," Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia said of the operation. "I think it should be dealt with in a very serious way."

"The Occupation's Armed Robbery" was the huge red headline in Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, a newspaper close to the Palestinian Authority, for its edition today. An Israeli official called the operation "legal confiscation."

Israel said the raid was part of the global fight against terror funding. "This money is the fuel for Palestinian terror, and I am convinced we have to dry up the paths for this fuel." Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz said.

The United States criticized Israel for the bank raid. "We would prefer to see Israeli coordination with the Palestinian financial authorities in order to stem the flow of funds to terrorist groups," State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said.

Now I might have added some words to the criticism that Mr. Boucher made (he will probably be out of a jobtomorrow--mustn't criticize Israel), but then I thought, hey if they steal the money from the Palestinians, maybe the United States cansubtract what they steal from the billions we send them, andgive a little boost to those "no child left behind" kids who are beginning togo hungry.

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Re: [CTRL] Letter to John Kerry

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In a message dated 2/26/2004 6:50:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
After spending only four months in the country of Vietnam, John Kerry testified before Congress in 1971 with these exact words about incidents he supposedly witnessed or heard about from other vets: "They personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam."I was a green beret officer who volunteered for duty in Vietnam and fought in the thick of it in 1968 and 1969 on a Special Forces A-team on the Ho Chi Minh Trail, just for starters. We were the elite. We saw the most action. Everybody in the world knows that.But we did not just kill people, we built a church, a school, treated illnesses, passed out soap, food, and clothing, and had fun and loving interaction with the indigenous people of Vietnam, just like our boys did in Normandy, Baghdad, Saigon, and everywhere American soldiers ever served. We all gave away our candy bars and rations to kids. Our hearts to oppressed people all over the globe.

We all know that soldiers come in more than one category. Before they were soldiers they were the men we have seen and met in our own neighborhoods. Some do good, and some do horrible things. From some of the things we have learned, it appears that the commanders are where the military is lacking. A good commander keeps his troops in line and forces them to be the kind of representatives our country needs. Apparently it is our officer corps that is the problem. Prudy


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The ObserverClimate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters.. A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world. The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents. 'Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life,' concludes the Pentagon analysis. 'Once again, warfare would define human life.' The report was commissioned by influential Pentagon defence adviser Andrew Marshall, who has held considerable sway on US military thinking over the past three decades. He was the man behind a sweeping recent review aimed at transforming the American military under Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Climate change 'should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to a US national security concern', say the authors, Peter Schwartz, CIA consultant and former head of planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group, and Doug Randall of the California-based Global Business Network
Makes one think about Sylvia Brown's statement that she has a clear view of the future until 2050 and after that nothing. So maybe after that there will be nothing. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] CFTM....Cleland's Viet Nam injuries...all veterans should read.

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What we have always suspected...Prudy puts herself in the position of God. It's OK.I do believe Godis compassionate where the mentally ill are concerned.
Goddess. Prudy


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In a message dated 2/23/2004 8:14:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Personally, I think that Nader's ego has obscured his vision.Judy
I think he knows none of us will risk voting for him, but it would be nice to have him force the candidates to actually address the issues. And it helps us to be skeptical. For instance Kerry has so much in common with George that it makes me nervous. Oh well. Prudy
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Thirty years ago, Bush was granted an honorable discharge from the NationalGuard  which would seem to put the matter to rest. But liberals want proofthat Bush actually deserved his honorable discharge. (Since when did theparty of Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd get so obsessed withhonor?)
What kind of people are they who consider only sexual conduct in the matter of honor? For years people have been reasonably sure that Adolph Hitler actually did not have sex at all. If that's someone's version of an honorable individual, then I guess we know where the majority of Conservatives stand. 

The picture of the a newly deceased standing at Heaven's gate while St. Peter checkshis life's story must go something like this: Saved his family from a fire at age of four, never missed Sunday school or church until serving in combat, defended the United States from axis powers and saved the lives of many of his comrads through acts of bravery, gave generously of both money and time to the poor and afflicted, raised decent and well-behaved children, worked continuously for the good of mankind. At this point St. Peter says, "Oh forget it. He had a wild weekend with a co-worker about fifty years ago. Straight to Hell with him." Well I guess we know what counts. Prudy

 
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As one young Arab-Israeli woman - who will never be quoted in an article about the rising tide of anti-Semitism - said so eloquently and passionately the last night of the conference, "Yes, I experience discrimination in Israel. 
Can you imagine? The Israeli Jews who are the first to remind the world of the Holocaust and what it was and did and how anti-Semitism is a constant threat for Jews the world over, are actively "discriminating" agains Arab-Israeli. 

It makes me think of my teen-age son's complaint in the mid-seventies. At our previous location his best friend was a black kid, and he fully expected to have both black and white friends at his new school.Hecouldn't understand why black kidswere standoffish andeven hostile. I don't suppose he felt responsible for the discrimination thathad beena part of this country's history.

I've no idea why the Israeli Jews hold theArabs (those in Israel and all others as well) as being responsible for the Holocaust.But it is onthe Arabsthat they are exacting their revenge. It has to be revenge, because otherwise they would not be using the exact techniques that were used upon them during theHolocaust. And the Germans used their main excuse for the behavior that started the whole thing as a need for space to live. There is aGerman term for it that I cannot spell. Amazingly the victims of that need (as defined by Nazi Germany) are using their greed for land and space as the same exact excuse to perpetratea holocaust of their own.Oh well. Prudy 
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Re: [CTRL] Amnesty Intl.: Israeli Wall Violates International Law

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The Israeli authorities claim that the fence/wall is "a defensive measure, designed to block the passage of terrorists, weapons and explosives into the State of Israel". 
And we Americans have had experience with Israeli "defensive measures." Oh yes, that ship was called "The Liberty." Prudy
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[CTRL] Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [ctrl] Why the Corporate Media k illed Howard Dean We're go...

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Thank heavens he didn't advocate getting rid of the Federal Reserve. That's a capital offense. Prudy
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[CTRL] Fwd: FW: Fwd: FW: GOVERNMENT

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Kind of a funny item from a friend. Prudy
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Subject: GOVERNMENT Is it just me or does anyone else find it amazingthat ourgovernment can track a cow born in Canada almost three years ago, right to the stall where she sleeps in the state of Washington. Also they track her calves to their stalls. But they are unable to locate 11 million illegal aliens wandering around our country.

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Subject: Fwd: FW: GOVERNMENT
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 19:29:43 EST


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Subject: GOVERNMENT Is it just me or does anyone else find it amazing
that our
government can track a cow born in Canada almost 
three years ago, right to the stall where she sleeps in the 
state of Washington. Also they track her calves to their 
stalls. But they are unable to locate 11 million illegal 
aliens wandering around our country.




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Re: [CTRL] GOP - The War and Welfare Party

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In a message dated 2/8/2004 11:12:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Conservatives and other limited-government types are furious at President GeorgeW. Bush for his big-spending ways. One group said the Republican-controlledgovernment is dispensing cash like a "drunken sailor." But in fact, there'snothing spontaneous or accidental about the spending spree. What we're seeing isthe sober logic of a changing Republican Party, as well as a changing Americanpsyche, post-9/11 -- from peacetime consumerism to wartime welfarism. 

Not really. What we're seeing is a superb campaign to "starve the beast." All is going well, and most citizens will be thoroughly and completely controlled soonest. I figure it will be something like living in Elizabeth's England. Some will do well; most will starve. Fascinating concept. Prudy


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[CTRL] Fwd: [Spy News] Iraq: False Casualty Counts

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http://www1.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_article.php?articleId=34836lang=en
False Casualty Counts
29.01.2004 [12:42]

Yesterday in Khaldiya, 60 miles west of Baghdad, a powerful roadside bomb
exploded killing US soldiers. Iraqi civilians were killed by US soldiers'
gunfire during the aftermath. However, questions about the conflicting
numbers as to the number of dead US soldiers and Iraqi civilians remain.

In a CENTCOM press release for the incident, the US Military claims that
three task force All American soldiers were killed in the blast by the
Improvised Explosive Device (IED), and one Iraqi killed. The press release
also states that one soldier and several Iraqis were wounded.
Witnesses at the scene today told a very different story, as did personnel
at the Ramadi Hospital where the civilian Iraqi casualties were taken.

Mohammed (last name withheld), a 25 year old Iraqi man who lives near the
scene, said, I saw 12 US soldiers killed. Body parts were everywhere. There
were also at least 5 injured.
He and several other witnesses said they watched as the US vehicle was
exploded by the IED, then other soldiers opened up with gunfire, shooting
everything in sight.
Hammad Naif Ermil, driving a large truck, was shot and killed, as were other
Iraqis riding in a bus behind him that was riddled with American bullet
holes.

Ali (last name withheld), an Iraqi Policeman who witnessed the incident,
said, I saw 12 dead US soldiers. They put them in black body bags and flew
them out by helicopters.
Ali said, We tried to help get the man out of the bus, but the American's
wouldn't let us. He died because they wouldn't let us get him out.

A man who also lives near the scene of the incident, Abdul Ahkman, said, I
saw 12 US soldiers killed and flown away by their helicopters. We want the
Americans to leave. They said they would bring us freedom, but they have
only brought us death and suffering. We will kill them all if they stay
here.

Meanwhile, last weekend Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt told AP News, We
believe we've got sufficient capability to maintain a reasonable security
level in the country.

We left the scene after watching young Iraqi boys holding bloody bandages
and IV bags from US medics having done emergency triage on their wounded
comrades. One young boy proudly displayed his US Army watch from a dead US
soldier.
The crater from the IED blast was several feet deep, in the median between
the lanes of the highway.

We came upon the funeral procession for the truck driver who had been
killed, his coffin draped in an Iraqi flag carried somberly by many men,
crying as they carried it to the mosque, then up a small hill to the village
cemetery.
One man pulls me aside from the procession and says, The American's are
treating us like animals. They are raiding our homes each day. They are
stealing our money. At least one man from every home here has been detained.
Saddam destroyed us, but the American's are destroying everything we have.
Another man tells me, We want freedom. We need jobs. I am a teacher, but I
haven't worked since the invasion. They promised us freedom, but they are
only giving us prison, killing, and bad treatment.
Yet another angered man says, The US says they came for weapons of mass
destruction and Saddam. They have found no WMD's, they have Saddam, and we
still suffer. We will fight against them all the way now. They have come
because of money. They are insulting all of us. Iraqi people have the right
to resist the Americans because they are invaders. When they are attacked,
why do they always kill others who are not involved?

A few of the men tell me that Khaldiya now has one hour of electricity per
day, and a 7pm curfew.
Haji, angrily tells me, I expected the Americans to be better than this. If
they are honest, they should pull out now. They 

Re: [CTRL] How to cure Holocaust Denial Syndrome?

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In a message dated 1/26/2004 11:26:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 "Obviously the virus of anti-Semitism is far more resilient and determined than we might have thought in the past," said Rabbi David Rosen, of the American Jewish Committee.
The Rabbi is wrong. It's really difficult to feel tremendous sympathy for a people who are fencing and killing their enemies at what is really an admirable rate, and who kill even those who are trying to get them to ease up on their eradication procedures. Anti-Semitism is not even a pimple in the picture. What we are now watching go on is a kind of reflection of all those horrors that stunned us when we discovered what the Nazi had done in the forties, only now we are watching as the decendents of the survivors of that catastrophe perpetrate a like horror on another people.There is noHolocaust denial here. We are all just wondering why we're being forced towitness another one. Prudy  
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Re: [CTRL] Was Dr Kelly murdered?

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Medical experts today raised the possibility that weapons expert David Kelly did not kill himself. 
That's funny. Some of us were quite sure of this ages ago. Prudy
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