Re: [CTRL] TROTSKY ARRESTED IN NOVA SCOTIA 1917
-Caveat Lector- I think I've posted on this subject before, but FWIW, Canadian officials had absolutely nothing to do with Trotsky's arrest in Halifax on 3 April 1917; it was carried out by British naval authorities (Lt. M. Jones, RNVR at the head of an armed party from the HMS Devonshire) acting on the instructions of the Admiralty's Naval Intelligence Division. The later, advised the apprehension of Trotsky and five companions (all veteran Russian radicals), not 300. T's wife and son also were removed from the SS Kristianiafjord (a Norwegian vessel) but not formally arrested. T and friends spent most of April in the POW/internment camp in Amherst NS under guard by Canadian authorities, but that was the extent of their involvement. The Admiralty issed the order for the arrest based on a cable from the British naval attache in New York, Capt. Guy Gaunt who, in turn, was responding to information provided by a British intelligence informant, Casimir Palmer-Pilenas. Among other things, Pilenas accused T of carrying $10,000 provided by pro-German sources. No such sum was found on T or his fellow travelers. The release oif T and the other Russians was effected by May. Claude M. Dansey of the Secret Intelligfence Service (MI6) on 21 April. There are, however, many legitimate questions about T's arrest, not the least of which is why the SIS/MI6 resident in New York, Sir William Wiseman, permitted T's departure despite having precisely the same information from Pilenas. For archival sources and additional details, I humbly suggest those interested look at my article, Interrupted Journey: British Intelligence and the Arrest of Leon Trotskii, April 1917 in _Revolutionary Russia_ (vol. 13, #1, June 2000), 1-28. Additional details may be found in the declassified MI5 file on Trotsky (Public record Office, KV 2/ 502 or 503). Regards, Rick Spence A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] TROTSKY, REILLY, ETC
-Caveat Lector- No question at all that Lenin's peace with Germany (formally concluded in March 1918 following the armistice of Dec. 1917) allowed the latter to shift forces to the Western Front and launch a series of big attacks. Re Jacob Schiff's role in all this, there's not much certain at all. Schiff was a long time enemy of the Tsarist Regime and definitely had bankrolled revolutionary activities in the past; for intance, paying for anti-Tsarist propaganda distributed to Russian POWs during ther Russo-Japanese War. I have also seen mention of the press article in which his son allegedly states that dad deposited $10 million, $20 million or $X million for use of Lenin Co. However, following one citation, which put the year of publication as 1949 I found no there there. I'm perfectly wiling to accept that Schiff did that or just about anything else, but I simply haven't seen any real evidence of it. A copy of the supposed article hopefully would clarify whether the younger Schiff was quoted directly or if it was someone recalling a statement (or making it up). One thing to keep in mind is that at the time he left New York, Trotsky was a revolutionary socialist but not a Bolshevik (not until July 1917). Among his arguments with Lenin was the issue of Russia's unilateral withhdrawal from the war. In an interview with the New York Times just before his departure, T expressed his firm oposition to a separate peace. Interestingly, at just this time, William Wiseman was hatching a scheme to pump pro-Allied propaganda into Russia and was especially interested in finding credible leftists who opposed separate peace to go back to Russia and spread the gospel. The fact that at the time T fit the part perfectly makes me suspect that Wiseman's failure to obstruct his return was no oversight. Wittingly or not, the aim was to use T as an Allied agent. To further muddle the picture, one of financial backers of Wiseman's scheme was none other than Jacob Schiff. The details of the arrangement can be found in W.B. Fowler's _Anglo-American Relations, 1917-1919 [?]: The Role of Sir William Wiseman_. As for Mr. Reilly (originally Salomon Rosenblum), for any who may be interested my biography of that worthy, _Trust No One: The Secret World of Sidney Reilly_ is to come out from Feral House this October. The core of its research contains files from Russian, British, American and other archives, including relevant FSB[KGB], MI5 and MI6 dossiers. Probably the most interesting thing these documents reveal is that none of the agencies had any real idea who they were dealing with. The Ace-of-Spies series, while immensely entertaining, contains only bits and pieces of the truth and a lot of fiction. His actual career, suffice to say, has no shortage of genuine intrigue and, dare I say, conspiracy. For instance, Reilly also served as an informant for Wiseman in WWI New York and the pair remained close for many years to come. Best Regards, Rick Spence A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Black Dragon Society--Green Dragon Society
-Caveat Lector- Out of curiosity, has anyone run across reference to or material on the so-called Green Dragon Society which may or may not be linked to the BDS and various Chinese secret societies? The basic question is whether the GDS exists or ever existed at all. Regards, Rick Spence A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WWII Losses
-Caveat Lector- My typo, 1,506,000 is Dupuy's figure for Japanese military deaths. RBS A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WWII Losses
-Caveat Lector- FWIW, according to R.E. and T.N. Dupuy's _Encyclopedia of Military History_, 2nd Revised ed., p. 1198, the number of WWII *military dead* was: USA--292,100 Britain--397,762 (less than half their WWI loss) France--210,671 (less than 1/6 their WWI loss) USSR--7,500,000 (includes @ 2,000,000 POWs died in captivity) China--500,000 (undoubtedly higher but most Chinese dead were civilians) Germany--2,850,000 Italy--77,500 Italy--1,506,000 All others--1,500,000 Total civilian dead is estimated at 26-34,000,000 I've seen somewhat different figures for many of the above. Calculations can vary depending on whether or which categories of non-combat deaths (disease, death in captivity) or missing are included or excluded. RB Spence A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Crowley and British Intelligence
For those interested in Crowley's connection to British Intell, at least in the WWI period, I humbly suggest you may want to look at my "Secret Agent 666: Aleister Crowley and British Intelligence in America, 1914-1918" in _International Journal of Intelligence and CounterIntelligence_, Vol. 13, #3 (Fall 2000), pp 359-371. The key point, perhaps, is that when American investigators took an interest in Crowley's association with suspected German agents, the British consul in New York, Clive Bayley, quietly came forward to assure the inquisitive Yankees that C's activities were known to and condoned by His Majesty's officials. Basically, C seems to have used to ferret out Irish-German links and as something of a literary provocateur. This does not necessarily mean that the claims of C and others of later and more extensive collaboration with British spookdom were true, but it certainly suggests that they may contain some truth at least. Respectfully, RB Spence On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Tenorlove wrote: --- Ynr Chyldz Wyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now if you wish to discuss Crowley's involvement in the creation of the modern 'spook' agencies, that is quite another matter altogether... I'd like to know more about this, June. Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] I.B. Pranaitis
Anyone interested in the background and credentials of the Rev. Pranaitis (or Pronaitis) should check out www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/pranaitis.html Basically, his abilities as a hebraist and Talmud expert seem to have been rather exaggerated. It may be worth noting that Pranaitis was a Lithuanian, who, along with Poles, were chief Roman Catholic minorities in the tsarist, orthodox Russian Empire. Given that the Church of Rome was itself somewhat suspect to Russian authorities, who reserved deeper antipathy towards Jewish subjects, Pranaitis' Jew-baiting may have been an effort to gain the approval of the powers in St. Petersburg. Best regards, R.B. Spence A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] History of Yugoslavia
-Caveat Lector- A good, basic text is L.S. Stavrianos, _The Balkans since 1453_ (1958). Although old, Ferdinand Schevill's _A History of the Balkan Peninsula_(1922, reprint 1971) and William Miller, _The Ottoman Empire and Its Successors, 1801-1927_ (1936) remain useful and informative. Various volumes of the "History of East Central Europe" series are very good, especially Charles and Barbara Jelavich, _The Establishment of the Balkan National States, 1804-1920_ (1977) and Joseph Rothschild, _East Central Europe between the Two World Wars_ (c. 1986). Rothschild also has a more recent work on post-WWII EE, _Return to Diversity_ (1993). On Serbia/Yugoslavia, per se, see Michael B. Petrovich, _A History of Modern Serbia, 1804-1918_ (1976), Stephen Clissold, _A Short History of Yugoslavia from Early Times to 1966_ (1966), and Vladimir Dedijer, et al, _History of Yugoslavia_ (1974). The latter is more of less the official Titoist version of things, most useful as an example of how ]matters of history and nationality were handled under that regime. Also, keep an eye out for other, related works by Charles and Barbara Jelavich and Peter Sugar. Best Regards, Rick Spence PS, Paul Robert Magocsi's _Historical Atlas of East Central Europe_ is a very useful reference. On Sat, 24 Apr 1999, Bill Kalivas wrote: -Caveat Lector- Would anyone on the list recommend a book on the history of the region called Yugoslavia? Not the crappola from the Clinton Cartoon Network, but something that would teach me the players, and the historical background of the area. Thanks in advance. Bill Kalivas DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
