Re: [CTRL] Hillary on Letterman Show Secret Service

2000-01-18 Thread Terry Cox



In back of the space between 
his front teeth, this is obvious to all.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Robert 
  Tatman 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 8:23 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hillary on Letterman 
  Show  Secret Service
  -Caveat Lector- A 
  HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"/A -Cui Bono?-And did 
  anyone notice that TWO DAYS after he had Hillary on, Letterman hadto 
  undergo quadruple bypass surgery??? Where do you figure they put 
  hisimplant?- Original Message -From: Carl Amedio 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 
  Tuesday, January 18, 2000 8:05 PMSubject: Re: [CTRL] Hillary on Letterman 
  Show  Secret Service -Caveat Lector- A 
  HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- 
  OH MY GOD YOU MAY BE RIGHT I NEED TO CYBER SCRUB ALL POST FROM NOW ON 
  OHTHE horror THE horror.A 
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Re: [CTRL] Big Brother is now in Gas Stations

2000-01-16 Thread Terry Cox



Fred,
Sounds like this girl just wanted 
to show she was in charge of the world, including selfserve gas stations (just 
in case you did not pick up on that). If she was the only one in charge 
you could have bluffed her and I think she'd cave in (I'm female).

Bob,
Thanks for the magnet reminder, I 
am looking into magnets for healing so I have one I can use. Also LOL at 
the cop although he at least was civil enough to see there was no national 
emergency in letting you go.

Terry in NH

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  From: 
  Bob Stokes 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 10:37 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Big Brother is now in 
  Gas Stations
  -Caveat Lector- A 
  HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"/A -Cui Bono?-In a message 
  dated 00-01-16 08:34:14 EST, you write: I just went to a 
  Union 76 Gas Station to get gas and while there Idecided to buy 
  cigarettes and beer, as I have a lot of work to do and did notwant 
  to go back out. When I got the beer, I was carded 
  (I am 51 years old) and told the girlbehid the counter that I was 
  old enough to be her grandfather and she told methat she could not 
  sell me the beer unless, I had a valid Id. I showed her mydriver's 
  license and she immediately ran it througn a machine similiar to 
  theones the use for credit cards. Is 
  anyone out there familiar with this new device and where is it 
  hookedup to.  I don't 
  know what state you live in, but I live in Colorado. They don'tdo 
  that here. If you want to buck the system it isn't hard, just rub a 
  magneton the magnetic strip on the back of your license. It 
  scrambles theinformation so it cannot be read. If you don't 
  have a magnet readilyavailable just rub it on the magnet on the back 
  of a speaker,it has a magnetstrong enough to do the trick. I know it 
  works, got pulled over for a badheadlight about ten months ago. The 
  officer figured it must have beenerased/scratched over time. He had 
  only the information on the front of thecard to go by. I don't 
  figure they have any right to personal informationabout 
  me.Regards,Bob StokesA 
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[CTRL] Re: [CTRL] God Channel is fined £20,000 for 'frightening' ad

2000-01-16 Thread Terry Cox




  I think the best way to 
  fight the onslaught ofthe Powers That Be against Christianity, or any 
  religion my friends, is for the religion to insist they have a right to preach 
  what they believe. Because they do, at least in this country as of 
  l/l6/00. The last sentence here is telling: just because their 
  interpretation of the Bible is not the only one does not mean they don't have 
  the right to express it!
  
  I see this issue as a serious 
  one. After they silence religious beliefs then social ones are 
  next.
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=001612468322797rtmo=aTTKBJaJatmo=rrrqpg=/et/00/1/16/nad16.htmlGod 
  Channel is fined £20,000 for 'frightening' 
  ad 
  By Jonathan 
  Petre 
  A RELIGIOUS broadcaster has been 
  fined 
  £20,000 after screening an advertisement 
  for 
  an evangelical conference which said 
  that 
  evil forces had seized political power 
  in 
  Europe and controlled the media 
  and 
  education. 
  The 30-minute "Christian 
  Warfare" 
  commercial, broadcast by the God Channel 
  a 
  dozen times last year, 
  described 
  homosexuality as "an abomination", 
  and 
  suggested that social problems were 
  caused 
  by a lack of Christian standards. 
  The 
  Gateshead-based channel, which can 
  be 
  viewed on digital and satellite television, 
  is 
  watched in an estimated 250,000 
  homes. 
  The Independent Television 
  Commission, 
  which monitors the output of 
  private 
  channels, decided the commercial 
  breached 
  four rules of the advertising code. 
  The 
  criticisms of abortion and divorce laws and 
  a 
  statement that "satanic hordes have 
  occupied 
  the principal palaces of power in 
  Europe" 
  amounted to political partiality, said 
  the 
  ITC. 
  It considered the statement that 
  "demonic 
  forces have engineered control of 
  every 
  source of communication from media 
  and 
  education" was potentially frightening 
  for 
  viewers and implications that 
  homosexuals 
  should not hold high office 
  prejudiced 
  respect for human 
  dignity. 
  Rory Alec, the managing director of 
  the 
  channel, which employs more than 100 
  staff, 
  complained that its freedom of speech 
  and 
  religion were being infringed. He said: 
  "All 
  we are doing is proclaiming the 
  Bible." 
  But the ITC said the station had been 
  given 
  formal warnings for breaching 
  programme 
  codes twice before - for 
  on-screen 
  fund-raising and for featuring exorcisms. 
  A 
  spokeswoman said: "We're not saying 
  they 
  can't preach the Bible, but theirs is not 
  the 
  only interpretation of the 
  Scriptures."-NOTE: In accordance with 
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Re: [CTRL] Zipped File-Report To Pres. And Congress Re:Terrorism and WMD

1999-12-20 Thread Terry Cox



I had opened the attachment 
and downloaded it.
After I got Tenorlove's message I 
ran McAfeee and there was nothing detected.
Hm, what's up I 
wonder?



  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Sunday, December 19, 1999 5:50 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Zipped File-Report To 
  Pres. And Congress Re:Terrorism and WMD
  -Caveat Lector-William, my virus shield won't let 
  me open the program. Is there a URLwhere I can view it? 
  ThanksTenorlove__Do 
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Re: [CTRL] Urgent:KeepRoadsOutofUSForests!

1999-12-15 Thread Terry Cox



wouldn't the forest service 
have a .gov ending not .us?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dave 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 10:35 
  PM
  Subject: [CTRL] 
  Urgent:KeepRoadsOutofUSForests!
  -Caveat Lector-I hope this gets thru- I've never seen 
  an email address with a / in it.It is of course, of great interest and 
  importance to do whatever may be doneto return the FOREST SERVICE to the 
  position of guardian of public interestadministering publically owned 
  lands.It may take quite a bit of doing, since the Forest Service has 
  been engagedin assisting politically connected persons to PLUNDER public 
  lands for manyyears.A step in the right direction would certainly 
  be an immediate cessation ofany and all road-building into Publically 
  owned U.S. Forest Serviceadministered lands.Somehow, the people 
  need to put the same sort of energy expressed at SeattleWTO into insisting 
  that the Federal Bureacracy administer it's public trustin the interests 
  of the PUBLIC and NOT in the interest of the few wealthyand politically 
  connected individuals who seem to wish to reduce everymountainside into 
  artificially "forested" logging fields.Dave Hartleyhttp://www.Asheville-Computer.com/daveSubj: 
  URGENT: TAKE ACTION TO PROTECT WILDERNESSDate: Tuesday, 
  December 14, 1999 12:30:02 PMFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Dear 
  EcoFriendly Friends:PLEASE FORWARD THIS MESSAGE TO YOUR 
  MAILING LIST TODAY. COMMENT DUE DEC20thLast week, I 
  attended the Forest Service meeting about the Roadless AreaInitiative 
  proposed by President Clinton. While I would have preferred anopen 
  forum, the local Forest Service staff was available to 
  answerquestions. Here is what I learned.The 
  amount of logging on private and commercial lands is 
  rapidlyescalating.(We can no longer count on these lands to be 
  available to supportwildlife.)Roadless area designation is 
  not the same as wilderness.In 1972, of the 62 million acres 
  inventoried for RARE II, the agencyrecommended only 15 million 
  for wilderness status. (Most of this was notthe habitat needed 
  by wildlife.)For example, in my area, RARE II roadless areas 
  constitute only 10% ofColville National Forest.Forest 
  roads are one of the major vectors for introducing invasive,non-native 
  plants which compete and sometimes decimate the native 
  plantcommunities.The Forest Service employees like to 
  use the word "manage." The do notseemto use the word 
  "wilderness" as freely.The Forest Service has requested public 
  comment by December 20th. Urgethemto protect all roadless 
  areas by prohibiting activities that may affect thewilderness 
  eligibility of roadless areas including roadbuilding, logging,mining 
  and motorized use.Also, to include all roadless areas, 
  inventoried and uninventoried and notjust those greater than 5,000 
  acres of adjacent to existing designatedwilderness 
  areas.Tell them, that Roadless areas should be managed to 
  protect theirwildernesscharacter and eligibility for future 
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  Roadless P.O. Box 221090, Salt LakeCity, UT 84122 or e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]Remember, 
  the Forest Service serves the public. It is not their job 
  todefine the landscape for us. As citizens these lands are 
  ours. How willweprotect them for future 
  generations?Janice CeridwenColville, 
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Re: [CTRL] Dec14 Frontline TV Snitches to reair

1999-12-13 Thread Terry Cox



My sympathies to the brave and 
principled Mrs. Das GOAT. I am sorry that she was targeted by criminals 
but gratified that she fought back. Kudos Mrs. G.

You have described a takeover of 
right thinking and acting people by those driven by evil.
It is in every city, however, as it 
is a product of America's Great Satan (eg, materialism, lust, me-first, power 
and other care and feeding of Self). Some feed Self by hurting others with 
physical violence, some by mental violence like oppression and some 
bynondirect means such as ruination of a nation's sovereignity, 
downgrading ofthe role of men in society, religious inquisitions, global 
shell gamesand more. The examples are numerous.

I have no idea what to do about 
it. I just trust in God more and more, that's all I can do.

God bless us every 
one.
Terry


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  From: 
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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 7:13 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Dec14 Frontline TV 
  Snitches to reair
  -Caveat Lector-In a message dated 99-12-12 10:46:09 
  EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:Why don't they do a show on the role of "police informants" 
  who give thepolice the name or address of a "suspected" drug 
  dealer. The police thenserve a "no knock" warrant at 5:00 AM, 
  bust in the door and kill the personthere because he "threatened" 
  them. Then it turns out that the house or manwas the wrong one 
  and the police killed someone merely trying to defendthemselves 
  against an invasion of their home. Why no talk about the 
  rampantand illegal acceleration of this type of activity in our "law 
  enforcement"community?Or how about a show on the complete 
  indifference of police to REAL criminalactivity?That's more the case 
  in yuppie-fied San Francisco, where increasingly theonly 911 calls that 
  are answered are those coming from a cell phone in someupscale hotel, 
  complaining about the champagne being cold. (An 
  exaggeration,but not by much.).Case in point from personal 
  experience, only last night. But first a littlebackground to the 
  account to follow. (1) A few weeks ago, my 4"10" wife wasmugged on 
  her way home from work by a group of four black teenagersstrategically 
  positioned at different places around an intersection at night,stalking 
  available prey. The assailant, estimated age 14, jumped her frombehind and 
  put her in a choke hold with one arm while with the other handcovering her 
  mouth and squeezing her nose shut so she couldn't breathe. Hedragged 
  her backward toward the shadows, expecting her to lose consciousness,but 
  instead, just when she was starting to get lightheaded, my wife 
  "playeddead" and stopped struggling. The boy relaxed his grip, as 
  expected, and mywife let him have it -- elbowing him in the groin with 
  karate-chop force.Her assailant yanked her purse out of her hand with such 
  force that itdislocated two of her fingers and then took off running 
  --running "oddly," asif trying to cross his legs as he ran-- toward the 
  sanctuary of one of thetwo housing projects nearby. That's when my 
  wife first saw his threecohorts, who emerged from their places to join him 
  in flight. A woman justthen driving by heard my wife yelling and 
  pointing in the purse-snatcher'sdirection and called 911 for 
  assistance.A squad car was in the area, luckily, and after getting the 
  perpetrator'sdescription from my wife, took off in token search of him, of 
  course to noavail. Returning, the police officer who took my wife's 
  report told her,"Call us if ever he attacks you AGAIN" -- on hearing 
  which, of course, myby-then enraged wife gave him a big piece of her 
  mind.(2) A couple of weeks earlier, a young woman had driven to a 
  Gen-X "club"about twoblocks from where we live. Her car was 
  found, but she was never seen again.The neighborhood is now plastered with 
  flyers giving her picture and a phonenumber where her family can be 
  reached with any information regarding her,now a "missing 
  person."Okay, enough for setting the scene. Now, on to last 
  night's incident. (3)My wife was taking a bus home from work, just 
  after sunset, as I waited forher (in order to walk her home, for safety's 
  sake) in a cafe across from thebus stop. When she stepped off the 
  bus she was frantic. Eight blocksearlier, idly looking out the 
  window, she had watched a horrifying sceneoccurring at the intersection 
  where the bus stopped for a red light: A womanon the sidewalk was dragged 
  --screaming, crying for help-- into thepassenger's side of a car that 
  screeched up beside her. Then, with the doorstill hanging open and 
  the woman's arm flailing while she screamed andstruggled with her captor, 
  the car had sped off as the light turned green,heading in the opposite 
  direction from the bus. My wife had shaken two womensitting next to 
  her, pointing at what was happening across the street, andthey had all 
  watched in horror, but 

[CTRL] Access to the American Mind

1999-12-12 Thread Terry Cox



http://www.venturablvd.com/encino/ENC19493.html- 

Not sure if this is of help but I 
thought of doing it. Is it possible Barnes  Noble has 
it?
Good luck Kris.


  - Original Message - 
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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 2:31 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Access to the 
  American Mind
  -Caveat Lector-I got "No Books In Stock."Amazon 
  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0944007716/002-1887957-7967438gave 
  me the same error.Anyone get their hands on a copy and send to me 
  snail mail?Feel free to e-mail me off-list.Thanks.Kris 
  Millegan wrote: -Caveat Lector- 
  from: http://www.spibooks.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=BookInfoBookID=48cfid=51798cft 
  oken=63675780 Click Here: A 
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  Enter Quanty The final word on who really controls the media 
  and the scope of power enjoyed by a select few is now 
  revealed. This exposé of the mass communications industry is 
  unlike any ever published. The truth about who really controls the 
  mass media and the extent of this group's power is here 
  revealed. The mass media's influence on a number of topics is covered, 
  including: * American foreign and domestic 
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  sexuality. * The media's failure to positively affect 
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  * Taps into the concern over the news media's influence on the 
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Re: [CTRL] Thanks for what?

1999-11-30 Thread Terry Cox



What about Paul Cain, Rick 
Joyner, Frances Frangipane and the "Kansas City Prophets"? I'd be 
interested. Thanks.


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Nicky 
  Molloy 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 2:59 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Thanks for 
what?
  -Caveat Lector-Subject: Re: Thanks for 
  what?http://cnview.com/on_line_biblical_resources.htmWell 
  I have to add to this! There is no way that James Dobson could 
  becalled a Christian, nor intelligent even - he dosen't even know 
  anythingabout the Bible or even that we are in the 90's for a start and 
  this is whyhe dosen't mention ANYTHING Biblically when he RABBITS and 
  BOASTS endlesslyabout HIMSELF and his family on the radio, with occasional 
  smatterings ofold fashioned psychology which dates from 50's textbooks. He 
  talks so slowthat by the time he's finished saying what he has done after 
  he starts theshow and then finally gets around to realising that he has 
  someone else inthe room and they are the guest - the show is over and 
  nothing much has beensaid. Well occasionally James will chip in with his 
  slow talk and addsomething which reminded him of something that related to 
  himself, that theguest said.He admitted he writes his 'psychology' 
  books while WATCHING FOOTBALL andalso admits he hates reading, because he 
  is an aural personality and that ifits not an audio book, possibly so he 
  can watch football at the same time?,he is not interested. His advice : ( 
  I have heard this) "You know its sohard nowdays to have to downgrade your 
  home and have to go smaller but wellthis is the 90's" (GREAT ADVICE FOR 
  THE HOMELESS AND DESTITUTE) "Womenshould go out more often and spend time 
  with their friends and not sitaround the house, I RECOMMEND JOINING A 
  BICYCLING CLUB", ( I can see he issensitive to the needs of most women), 
  and finally his all time advice tothe world which has to endure his 
  torturous drivel - PARENTS DON'T BUY YOURCHILDREN TOO MANY THINGS FOR 
  CHRISTMAS, THEY HAVE TOO MANY TOYS NOWDAYS. (Iguess the starving and 
  poor parents and bored kids don't need that advice)He finds it hard 
  to see another's point of view.Nicky - see below for expose on James 
  Dobson and others..Tony CampoloClinton's advisor is there too.In a 
  message dated 11/26/99 5:53:44 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
  I'm thankful for a small group of people who, like me, battle every 
  dayto confront injustice - Judicial Watch's Larry Klayman, 
  my good friend and attorney, Rush and David Limbaugh, Geoff 
  Metcalf, Jane Chastain, Chuck Harder, Michael Reagan, Melanie 
  Morgan, Warren Duffy, George Putnam, Ray Briem, Dr. Laura 
  Schlessinger, James Dobson, Jerry Falwell, Sean Hannity,Ted 
  Baehr and others. These are folks who will never run for political 
  officebut make a far more important contribution to our 
  culture through their conscience-driven activism 
  ExposésBilly Graham - The Mouthpiece of New Evangelicalism 
  - by John AshbrookBill Gothard's Ecumenism--by John E. AshbrookBilly 
  Graham's Catholic Connection--by John E. AshbrookBill Hybels--by John E. 
  AshbrookCharles Colson--by John E. AshbrookCharles Stanley--by John E. 
  AshbrookCharles Swindoll--by John E. AshbrookEvangelicals and 
  Modernist Robert Schuller--by David CloudEvangelicism: (Billy Graham)The 
  Trojan Hourse Of The 1990's--by Wilson EwinE. V. Hill--by John E. 
  AshbrookFalwell and Co-Workers Committed to a New Evangelical Path - by 
  David CloudJack Van Impe's Frightful Change-- by Paul FreemanJames 
  Dobson and Romanism - by David CloudJohn MacArthur--by John E. 
  AshbrookMr. Revolutionary (Bill Bright) and Campus Crusade--by John E. 
  AshbrookNorman Vincent Peale: Apostle of Self-Esteem-by David 
  CloudPaul Crouch Curses Those Who Contend For Sound Doctrine--Foundation 
  MagazineRodney Howard-Browne - by Stephen SizerThe Life and Ministry 
  of Oral Roberts-- O Timothy magazineThe Confusing World of Benny Hinn--by 
  Stephen SizerTony Campolo-A Dangerous Man--by David W. CloudVan Impe 
  Slanders Defenders of the Faith-by David CloudWarren Wiersbe--by John E. 
  AshbrookReturn to categoriesFalse Religions (Cults)Are 
  Mormons Christian?-by Cooper AbramsMormons--What They Teach--from a Chick 
  TractThe False Gospel of Islam--by Ric LlewellynShould a Christian 
  Become A Mason?Facts You Should Know About Jehovah'sWitnessesThe 
  International Church of Christ--By Steven E. RauchThe 
  Christadelphians--from the Bible Based Cults  Isms Web Site.Seventh 
  Day Adventists--Are They Christian?--from the Bible Based Cults Isms 
  Web Site.DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a 
  discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting 
  propagandicscreeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These 
  are sordid mattersand 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, 
  misdirections and outrightfrauds is used politically by different 
  groups 

Re: [CTRL] Arms experts cite minor possibility of Y2K missile launch

1999-11-29 Thread Terry Cox



Dan, Can you possibly cut and paste 
the article, I went there at 7:30 eastern time and it was unavailable. 
Thanks. Terry

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dan 
  S 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, November 28, 1999 8:40 
  PM
  Subject: [CTRL] Arms experts cite minor 
  possibility of Y2K missile launch
  -Caveat Lector-From Pioneer Planet,http://www.pioneerplanet.com/seven-days/1/news/docs/010067.htm-Published: 
  Sunday, November 28, 1999Arms experts cite minor possibility of Y2K 
  missile 
  launchJOHN 
  DONNELLY BOSTON 
  GLOBEWASHINGTONIt 
  would be the world's most extreme Y2K computer glitch.As improbable as it 
  may be, the possibility of a mistaken launch of nuclearmissiles just as 
  the world celebrates the new millennium has antiatomicactivists pushing 
  anew for disarmament of all U.S. and Russian nuclearmissiles.U.S. 
  officials say flatly that Y2K computer problems will not cause 
  anyaccidental launch of a nuclear missile.But arms-control 
  specialists cannot completely rule out a Y2K doomsdayscenario, which could 
  start with computer malfunctions in Russia that causeearly-warning systems 
  to give erroneous indications of a missile attack.Then, under this 
  hypothetical scenario, Russian President Boris Yeltsincould order the 
  activation of the country's ``dead hand'' system, whichensures nuclear 
  retaliation in case an attack kills the entire Moscowleadership. Next, the 
  Y2K bug could shut down the communication betweenRussia's central command 
  and the ``dead hand'' computer apparatus, whichwould proceed to launch 
  missiles on the basis of the false indications of anincoming 
  attack.And that, according to some disarmament activists, could bring 
  nuclearholocaust as Russia sends hundreds of nuclear missiles toward the 
  UnitedStates.Much would have to go wrong for such a cataclysmic 
  event to occur, but suchtechnical and human error is not absolutely out of 
  the question, some armsspecialists warn.Earlier this year, to add 
  another layer of safety to prevent an accidentallaunch, President Clinton 
  and Yeltsin created a joint Y2K control room atPeterson Air Force Base in 
  Colorado Springs. There, Russian and U.S.officials will sit side-by-side 
  beginning in late December to minimize thechances of a Y2K-triggered false 
  alarm.But the scenario described above is based on a ``Dr. 
  Strangelove''-likesystem that exists in Russia, notably the ``dead hand'' 
  computer program,which remains in the hands of Moscow despite the joint 
  command center inColorado.And the scenario comes against a 
  backdrop of rising Russian anger againstthe United States, the most recent 
  point of conflict occurring in Clinton'srecent pointed criticism of the 
  war in Chechnya. Pentagon officials sayRussia has embarked on a campaign 
  of nuclear muscle-flexing to show itsdispleasure, including a recent test 
  of two submarine-launched missiles andthreats to send nuclear bombers to 
  Cuba and Vietnam.But an ongoing worry persists around Russia's 
  deteriorating and incompleteearly-warning system, underscoring the dangers 
  of having an estimated 5,000Russian and U.S. nuclear missiles on a 
  hair-trigger -- Y2K or no Y2K.While the missiles no longer are 
  targeted on cities and nuclear sites, theyare loaded with guidance systems 
  that, on the U.S. side, can be programmedin as little time as 10 seconds, 
  literally a flip of the switch and then twocomputer keystrokes, analysts 
  said.``Even if the Y2K risks are low, it's important for people to 
  appreciate theoverall risks here,'' said Bruce Blair, a Brookings 
  Institution seniorfellow and a recipient this year of a MacArthur 
  Foundation ``genius grant,''who has written extensively about possible 
  doomsday nuclear scenarios,including the ``dead hand'' 
  possibility.In the view of Blair and others, Y2K is a unique event, 
  and thus the threatcannot be calculated.``It is inestimable,'' 
  Blair said. ``Anyone who claims to know theprobability of Y2K 
  early-warning failure in Russia is pulling it out of thinair.''In 
  recent months, U.S. and Russian officials have tried to assure the 
  publicthat Y2K poses no risk of a nuclear shoot-out.Following a 
  federal government report on the Y2K problem earlier this month,the White 
  House said, ``Y2K problems will not cause nuclear weapons tolaunch 
  themselves. Nuclear weapons launch requires human intervention.''A 
  Pentagon official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said theworries 
  of Y2K problems with Russia's nuclear system ``have gotten blown wayout of 
  proportion. We expect minor glitches in Russia, nothing of 
  greatseverity.''But distrust lingers, even at the joint command 
  center. U.S. officials willnot share everything from the early-warning 
  

[CTRL] Poison Alert Forwarded

1999-11-28 Thread Terry Cox



 6) POISON ALERT: New York 
City/11-11-99 Manhattan Dog Chat From Dr Michael S. 
Garvey, Hospital Director THE ANIMAL MEDICAL CENTER 
Someone is putting a very toxic carbamate insecticide in our 
immediate environment. The compound is carbofuran (Furadan) and has 
been placed in bread and left in areas where people usually feed 
pigeons. In several investigated cases, birds ingesting the poison 
have been observed to die instantaneously after ingestion of the 
contaminated bread. One canine exposure has also been 
confirmed and the dog died within 1-2 minutes after ingestion of the 
poison. At least two red tailed hawks have been killed as 
well. Poisonings have occurred in Manhattan from 86th and 
Lexington to 43 and 6th Avenue, including Central Park. 
This poison is extremely powerful. It is estimated that as little as 
7 drops can kill as human being, 4-5 droops can kill a child. 
It is likely that less will kill a dog, cat, or other animal. 
So far, the poison has been discovered in french bread, but other 
baits and vehicles are also possible. PLEASE DO NOT LET YOUR 
ANIMALS GET NEAR OR CONSUME ANY FOOD ON THE STREET and be 
particularly careful around areas where people have been feeding 
pigeons. Also, be very careful around dead birds or other 
animals. If an animal were to consume a poisoned animal, it 
would also be poisoned. Veterinarians have an antidote for this 
poison, but the poison acts so rapidly that thereprobably will not be 
time to administer the antidote (atropine). If you see 
anything or anyone suspicious, please contactthe ASPCA, Department of 
Humane Law Enforcement (212 876-7700). The ASPCA is investigating all 
cases.


Re: [CTRL] Free Electricity update

1999-11-27 Thread Terry Cox



Thanks for keeping us Scam 
Free!
Best,
Terry

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dave 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 6:07 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Free Electricity 
  update
  -Caveat Lector-A good friend of mine who's a physicist 
  involved in "overunity" or "free"energy research told me that this is a 
  scam.The promotional literature that I've seen tells me to be wary of 
  it.On the bottom of the page at the link you sent there is an known 
  scamoffered: "laundry balls"I am personally quite sure that 
  overunity devices which work DO exist. Iwould bet $1000.00 that Dennis 
  Lee's promotion isn't on the upup, though.Dave Hartleyhttp://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave-Original 
  Message-From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]OnBehalf 
  Of earthmanSent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 5:08 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
  [CTRL] Free Electricity update-Caveat Lector-Someone 
  want to check this out for us plebs?.Peterhttp://ucsofa.com/?Free%20Electricity.htm/U.C.S.A., 
  BWT and Dennis Lee*IMPORTANT PROJECT UPDATE* go to Free 
  Electricity update The home unit FreeElectricity sign-up program ends 
  NOVEMBER 30TH,1999*NEW Dennis Lee and BWT would like to announce the 
  New Tesla Society, pleasego to New Tesla Society for more info.You 
  may have heard of UCS of A/BWT, and/or Dennis Lee prior to coming tothis 
  site. It should be obvious that we have enemies that do not wish for usto 
  succeed. Many seemingly helpful people are, in fact, mouthpieces for 
  ourrich opposition. Why listen to reports about what Dennis says or claims 
  tobe about from biased people with an agenda when you can hear and see 
  'firsthand' what he says and claims for yourself? We used to offer to send 
  out 5hours of videotapes and books written by Dennis Lee on a 'Free Look' 
  offer.Unfortunately, we had to ask for a deposit of $100 to ensure we 
  could getour materials back. (We have a NEW Free Look offer that is now 
  $49.95- SeeFree Look) We were accused of trying to make money with our 
  'Free Look'offer, in which we sent out a ten pound package priority mail 
  for the publicto view and we even paid the return postage. There was never 
  any cost to theviewer (if they initiated a UPS pick up of the materials 
  within the two-weekperiod).With this web site, we can eliminate 
  the need for waiting, postage, orreturns. The entiretechnology show 
  that we include in the new Free Look kit is included on thissite. You can 
  see it absolutely free, right now. Watch the videos on yourcomputer at 
  your convenience. The seminar builds upon the 
  informationgiven, and it is best not to skip around.It may be 
  interesting for you to note that we have never received one dimeof 
  research funding or even one word of encouragement from the EPA, 
  DOE,Congress, or any other Federal or State government agency or body, 
  eventhough we did a private seminar for the Congress and all branches of 
  theFederal Government in Washington DC (and all those Congresspersons who 
  didnot attend signed for a video taped copy of the 
  presentation).Dennis Lee was put into a Prison for two years for a 
  civil code registrationviolation and, to this date, has never had a trial 
  or ever even beenconvicted of the offense. He wrote a book in prison 
  entitled, 'TheAlternative'. It is filled with exhibits and much of the 
  earlier experiencesof trying to buck the powerful self-interest of those 
  who do not think freeenergy is such a good idea. You could send for the 
  book and/or thevideotapes if you wish through this site. If you watch this 
  show in itsentirety, you will realize that this is a social event that 
  willre-evolutionize the way we use and view technology.In 1996, 
  Dennis Lee gave a speech at a stadium full of people whocongregated from 
  all across the United States to Pennsylvania in which UCSof A made their 
  'Declaration of Energy Independence', and, in which theydeclared that they 
  no longer recognize the Department of Energy or the EPA,FDA, or any agency 
  of the government that was not elected by the people torepresent the 
  interests of the people. At the same event, UCS of A declaredto their 
  death if need be, that from that time forward they would be thepeople's 
  Department of Energy. The people, like you, are not required to doanything 
  what so ever! You do not have to picket, campaign, or protestanything. We 
  will just bring you superior alternatives and then you do whatany smart 
  person would.There is also a survey form available on this site which 
  will enable you tolet us know what products (if any) you are interested 
  in. You can find outhow to sign up to get a free electricity generator on 
  your home at no costfor the hardware or for the power it produces...ever! 
  (See the COBI Video)United Community Services of America and Better World 
  Technologies aredetermined to stop the 

Re: [CTRL] Quote

1999-11-27 Thread Terry Cox



Reminds me of the silent 
movie, I think produced in l9l5 also, called "Birth of a Nation".


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Rodrigo Cesar 
  Banhara 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 8:09 
  AM
  Subject: [CTRL] Quote
  -Caveat Lector-New World Order, 1918 to 1995: "The old 
  world order changed when thiswar-storm broke. The old international order 
  passed away as suddenly, asunexpectedly, and as completely as if it had 
  been wiped out by a giganticflood, by a great tempest, or by a volcanic 
  eruption. The old world orderdied with the setting of that day's sun and a 
  new world order is being bornwhile I speak, with birth-pangs so terrible 
  that it seems almost incrediblethat life could come out of such fearful 
  suffering and such overwhelmingsorrow." -- Nicholas Murray Butler, in an 
  address delivered before theUnion League of Philadelphia, Nov. 27, 
  1915DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion 
  and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandicscreeds are not 
  allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid mattersand 
  'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and 
  outrightfrauds is used politically by different groups with major 
  and minor effectsspread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That 
  being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always 
  suggests to readers;be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to 
  Holocaust denial andnazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil 
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Re: [CTRL] FW: (earthclan) FW: Govt-Riot Plan EXPOSED for NY on New Years Eve or a Subversive Filmmakers debut?

1999-11-27 Thread Terry Cox



How can you download and 
save it, is that possible?
I'd like to send to friends. 

Thanks.
Terry

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Shane 
  A. Saylor, Eccentric Bard 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 1:00 
  AM
  Subject: [CTRL] FW: (earthclan) FW: 
  Govt-Riot Plan EXPOSED for NY on New Years Eve or a Subversive Filmmakers 
  debut?
  -Caveat Lector--Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of BranfionnSent: Friday, November 26, 1999 12:38 PMTo: 
  EarthclanSubject: (earthclan) FW: Govt-Riot Plan EXPOSED for NY on New 
  Years Eveor a Subversive Filmmakers debut?Importance: 
  High-Original Message-From: Ian Goddard (by 
  way of Johnny Asia [EMAIL PROTECTED])(by 
  way of Sienna Wildfield [EMAIL PROTECTED])[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, 
  November 25, 1999 10:26To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
  Govt-Riot Plan EXPOSED for NY on New Years Eve or a SubversiveFilmmakers 
  debut?Importance: High(forwarded)Something to chew 
  on . . .-Post your comments at: http://venus.beseen.com/boardroom/d/16950begin=The 
  FBI and the U.S. Attorney's office recently hada webpage shutdown 
  that had a video allegedly takenduring a military briefing, 
  according to a report inthe Village Voice. The video reveals a 
  secret Armyplan to incite race riots at Times Square on 
  NewYear's Eve. The fact that the FBI and US 
  Attorney'soffice intimidated the owner of the site and 
  finallycoerced his ISP with threats of shutting them 
  downin order to suppress the video appears to supportthis 
  conclusion: The video is genuine and thegovernment is planning to 
  create chaos on Y2K.Such an operation could establish the 
  necessarypretext to activate Martial Law and end 
  freedom,which is just what the suppressed video 
  indicates.According to the Voice, "Both the U.S. 
  Attorney'soffice and the FBI had no comment" on this 
  case.Here's the Internet in action, the FBI may 
  haveremoved the video from one site, but not fromthese 
  sites, download it and make it known:http://www.rumormillnews.com/assault.htmhttp://moxy.wtower.com/mirrors/timesq.ramhttp://www.angelfire.com/ma/mauicool7/timesq.ramhttp://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=99/11/24/013232mode=nestedHere's 
  the Village Voice article:== THE VILLAGE VOICE 
  =http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/9947/boal.shtml==Published 
  November 24 - 30, 1999THE MONITORBY MARK BOALSubversive 
  Filmmaker Attractsthe Wrong Kind of AgentFBI's Shutter 
  SpeedSuccess seemed imminent. A local TV station wasairing a 
  segment about his Web site, and he beganto savor those precious moments of 
  microfame. Nomore dingy years of self-subsidized screenings;now 
  there'd be an audience for his art. But thencame the FBI. In a highly 
  unusual move last week,FBI agents called mike zieper, an 
  independentartist who goes by thename Mike Z., and "requested"that he 
  remove his site from the Internet. Whenhe declined, the FBI worked in 
  tandem with theU.S. Attorney's office to persuade his Web hostand its 
  server to pull Zieper's site--18 daysafter it went up--without having a 
  subpoena orcourt order of any kind.Mike Z.'s Web site showed an 
  eerie but amateurvideo that purports to be a military briefing.The 
  clip opens with fuzzy shots of Times Square,over which an unseen male 
  voice describes asecret army plan to incite a race riot on NewYear's 
  Eve. "First Team," he says "you're allhere by oh?four hundred," and he 
  then instructsundercover black agents to "Give them a littleof the 
  Amadou shit, agitate it."The FBI was alerted to the site after 
  receivingphone calls from people who thought its BlairWitch ?style 
  footage was genuine army issue.The opening banner on the site read, "I 
  don'tknow too much about this tape you are about tosee. I got it from 
  my cousin Steve who's inthe army. . . . If it's fake, then 
  there'snothing to worry about. If it's real, thenwe're in really big 
  trouble."The FBI's call came when Mike Z. was at afriend's house 
  last Thursday watching his UPN9 interview. Suddenly, his pager hummed, 
  andwhen he called the number back, it turned outto be the local New 
  Jersey sheriff's departmentat his front door with two FBI agents in 
  tow,wondering if they could come in for a chat.Then agents Dan 
  Calemina and Joe Metzingergot on the phone and said, " 'We know 
  thatyou have this Web site and that it has beengetting a lot of 
  activity,' " Z. recalls. "'And we want to know how we can get peopleto 
  stop seeing it.' The implication wasobviously that I would face a subpoena 
  oran arrest if I didn't [take it down]," Z. says.Instead, Z. 
  contacted attorneys and put hiscomputer in storage. But the agents made 
  anend run around him. When Z. refused to pullhis site, the FBI and the 
  U.S. Attorney'soffice contacted Z.'s host, BECamation, 

Re: [CTRL] 'International Cooperation Council'

1999-11-26 Thread Terry Cox



Robin,
Nice to know of another Hidden 
Dangers reader. Her book was tops and quite ahead of its 
time.
Terry


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Robin Peters 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 4:55 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] 'International 
  Cooperation Council'
  -Caveat Lector-this sounds as if it were directly 
  "lifted" from Constance Cumbey's THEHIDDEN DANGERS OF THE 
  RAINBOW.BTW, the current name of International Cooperation Council is 
  CommUNITYDiversity (we have a branch of this group in the La Grange IL 
  area).Robin PetersDECLARATION  
  DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange 
  list. Proselyzting propagandicscreeds are not allowed. Substance-not 
  soapboxing! These are sordid mattersand 'conspiracy theory', with 
  its many half-truths, misdirections and outrightfrauds is used 
  politically by different groups with major and minor effectsspread 
  throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no 
  endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;be 
  wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial 
  andnazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, 
  Caveat 
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Re: [CTRL] THE WAR AGAINST US

1999-11-24 Thread Terry Cox



Reminds me of the movie "Red 
Dawn"



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dave 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 5:24 
  AM
  Subject: [CTRL] THE WAR AGAINST US
  -Caveat Lector-Dave Hartleyhttp://www.Asheville-Computer.com/daveFrom 
  the Progressive Review:THE WAR AGAINST USCHRISTIAN SCIENCE 
  MONITOR: To prepare for potential wars in cities, theMarines stage a mock 
  battle in downtown Columbia, S.C., attracting onlookersand protesters. A 
  swarm of massive transport helicopters descended fromclear blue skies, 
  disgorging a group of rifle-toting marines, some by fastrope . . . The 
  leathernecks are training for urban warfare, a phrase used byAmerica's 
  military to cover the gamut of potentially nasty operations incities and 
  countries around the world. For the past 15 years, marines onboth coasts 
  have "invaded" cities for a couple weeks to practice the art ofurban 
  operations.THE PROGRESSIVE REVIEW1312 18th St NW (5th 
  Floor)Washington DC 20036202-835-0770 Fax: 202-835-0779[EMAIL PROTECTED]Editor: Sam 
  SmithINDEX : http://prorev.comRECENT 
  UNDERNEWS : http://prorev.com/indexa.htmTODAY'S 
  HEADLINES: http://prorev.com/altnews.htmTHE 
  REVIEW FORUM: http://prorev.com/letters.htmFor 
  a free trial subscription to both our bi-monthly hard copy editionand our 
  regular e-mail updates send e-mail and terrestrial addressto [EMAIL PROTECTED]To order "Sam Smith's 
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  suggests to readers;be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to 
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Re: [CTRL] Santa Claus not christian

1999-11-14 Thread Terry Cox



Christmas was illegal in this country when it 
was founded.
When the Catholic immigration occurred there was 
pressure to celebrate it. I think it was l858 that Massachusetts said it 
was not illegal to celebrate Christmas.

Certainly one can't find Christmas in the Bible, no 
matter what/when its origins.


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Maggie 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 4:24 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Santa Claus not 
  christian
  -Caveat Lector-The other night, very late, I saw this 
  very fascinating documentary on sodapop. It focused mainly on Coke and 
  Pepsi. It talked about how Coca Colacreated the Santa Claus we see today - 
  the fat, happy man in red and white.Before he had been dressed in green 
  and a was dour looking character. Cokechanged him to go with their colors 
  and to associate themselves withChristmas. Anyway, I thought it was 
  interesting.- Original Message -From: Taylor, John (JH) [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 
  Sunday, November 14, 1999 12:42 PMSubject: [CTRL] Santa Claus not 
  christian: -Caveat Lector-:: Tribunal dismisses parent's 
  Santa discrimination claim:: from The Excite Australia Channels: 
  www.excite.com.au: November 12th 
  1999: 2: 52 PM AEST November 12:: A Jewish man who refused to let 
  his children associate with Santa Claus: at school has lost his 
  discrimination case against the New South Wales: Education 
  Department.:: A Sydney tribunal has found that Santa Claus is not a 
  symbol of: Christianity.:: Identified only as Mr A, the Jewish man 
  objected to Santa's presence at: the Sydney primary school.:: In 
  his racial discrimination complaint against the department, Mr A said: 
  Santa is a Christian figure and he did not want his children singing: 
  Christmas carols or receiving lollies from Santa.:: However, the Dean 
  of Saint Mary's Cathedral, the Reverend Anthony Doherty,: told the 
  Administrative Decisions Tribunal Santa Claus is a delightful: story but 
  has nothing to do with Christianity.:: In dismissing the complaint 
  that the school discriminated against the: children because of its 
  Christmas activities, the tribunal ruled that: it cannot be said that a 
  detriment has been suffered simply because: diverse groups should find 
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Re: [CTRL] resources

1999-11-13 Thread Terry Cox



Could not get men.stuff link to work. Any 
ideas?


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Smart News 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 7:19 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] resources
  -Caveat Lector-Hi !Below please find resources 
  for male survivors of child abuse. Some peoplehave written me and told me 
  it is more difficult to find resources for males,so I thought I would post 
  this.Sincerely, Neil BrickOur listing these 
  resources does not necessarily constitute our endorsementof them. 
  Resources mentioned in this resource list are mentioned foreducational 
  value only. Using these resources may or may not help yourrecovery 
  process, so use caution when reading anything or contacting 
  anyonementioned in this resource list.Please also note. Some of 
  the conferences listed may not necessarily be safefor all survivors. We 
  recommend always bringing a support person to allconferences. If you are a 
  survivor of mind control and/or ritual abuse, werecommend that you 
  try to bring a support person that is familiar with mindcontrol 
  techniques.Victims No Longer - Mike LewSage Publications books 
  for male survivors - Sage Publications, Inc. PO Box5084, Thousand Oaks, CA 
  91359, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]Learning Alliance 
  - conf for male survivors, LA , 324 Lafayette, NY 10012MENSTUFF 
  - The National Men's Resource home page, res. listhttp://www.men.stuff.org, P O Box 800, San 
  Anselmo, Ca. 94979Witness - Internet site for male survivors, http://www.vix.com/menmag,E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], newsletter Men's 
  Voices B. Hoff, 7552 31st AveNE, Seattle, WA 98115, [EMAIL PROTECTED]written by a 
  male:Breaking the Circle of Satanic Ritual Abuse - recovery and 
  information,Daniel Ryder, CompCare Pub, 2415 Annapolis Ln, Minn, MN 
  55441Cover-Up of the Century (Satanic Ritual Crime and World 
  Conspiracy) D.Ryder, CSS Publishing, 517 S. Main St., Lima, OH 45802 or 
  1-800-537-1030.The Courage to Heal - Bass and Davis, they also have a 
  workbook, Harper andRow, NY - the workbook is for men and 
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[CTRL] [THIS is SO COOL! --MS] TOTALLY FREE UNLIMITED INTERNET

1999-11-13 Thread Terry Cox



Thanks, Mike, I am downloading as we 
speak. I appreciate the thoughtfulness.

Keep the faith everyone.



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  MICHAEL 
  SPITZER 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, November 06, 1999 11:26 
  PM
  Subject: [CTRL] OT: [THIS is SO COOL! 
  --MS] TOTALLY FREE UNLIMITED INTERNET ACCESS/E-MAIL (with NO BANNERS and 24/7 
  TOLL FREE, NO-WAIT TECH SUPPORT)
  -Caveat Lector-WOW! I saw this new ISP (new as of 
  a few days ago!) mentioned ona small segment of FOX Network's local 6:00 
  news broadcast herein AZ tonight.I just tested it out and am using 
  as I type!This is a NO-STRINGS-ATTACHED NEW UNLIMMITED INTERNET 
  SERVICEPROVIDER!*THIS* IS WAY COOL!I got *INSTANT* (i.e., 
  ZERO WAIT TIME) TOLL FREE TECH SUPPORT,THERE ARE NO BANNERS AT ALL, AND 
  THEY ARE IN PARTNERSHIP WITHA.T. T. TO PROVIDE LOCAL ACCESS NUMBERS 
  IN ALMOST ALL AREAS OFTHE COUNTRY!!!You can use your own computer 
  based E-mail program or their webbased program (5 MB of 
  storage).At this time, they have no web page services (there are all 
  kindsof companies now, e.g., www.netcenter.com, etc., that offer 
  freeweb pages, however), and shortly they WILL offer web pages 
  fortheir clients at a small monthly fee.The only catch is that 
  when you go on-line, THEIR HOME PAGE OPENSON YOUR BROWSER (and I must say, 
  THERE ARE SOME SMOKIN' DEALS ONCOMPUTERS, etc.), HOWEVER, simply close it 
  out or start surfingand THERE IS NO MORE EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER OF "WORLDSPY" 
  FROM THATPOINT ON!!I highly recommend signing onto their ISP 
  service whether youkeep your current ISP, or NOT (i.e., use this when your 
  ISP isdown, if for no other reason!).MERRY 
  CHRISTMAS:)MikeP.S. Here's a bit of the copy from 
  their sign up URL:Source:http://www.worldspy.com/freeisp/isp.htmlState-of-the-art 
  service provided by MicroPortal.com, anationwide Internet Service provider 
  with hundreds ofhigh-quality, high-speed 56K access numbers across the 
  country.24-Hour Toll-Free Customer Service SupportNo monthly 
  membership fees, no setup fees, no maintenance fees,no annual dues. Save 
  up to $20 per month ($240 per year)!Monthly specials and other great 
  offers!Sign up now!To see if you're just a local call away from 
  FREE Internetaccess, check our listing of Local Access Numbers 
  now.Terms of Offer: Your use of WorldSpy.net is completely free. 
  Nopurchase necessary. No strings. No membership fees. Period.We 
  respect your privacy. We will never sell your personalinformation to any 
  third parties without your permission.--end--All I can say is 
  that I AM IMPRESSED, LIKE A BIG 
  DAWG!= 
  Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK 
  OF: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To 
  Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and 
  to all, A Good 
  Day.=DECLARATION 
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[CTRL] I lost my internet bar, does anyone know how to fix it?

1999-11-09 Thread Terry Cox



I cannot see the bar where you are to type in an 
internet address.
I tried Tools/View - nothing works to get it 
back. I follow instructions on Help but no luck.

I sure can use any help anybody has.
Thanks.




Re: [CTRL] I lost my internet bar, does anyone know how to fix it?

1999-11-09 Thread Terry Cox



Hilary,
I click on view and only see Tool Bars, Status Bar, 
Explorer - Go to , stop,refresh ...
I don't see "Icon bar".
I ran RUN/System File Checker and all isin 
order.
I tried clicking on view in both the OE email 
and the IE internew bar.
Tired Terry



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Hilary 
  A. Thomas 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 9:29 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] I lost my internet 
  bar, does anyone know how to fix it?
  -Caveat Lector-Hi Terry,Click on View. 
  Then make sure you put a check next to the "icon 
  bar."Hilary------From: Terry Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
  [CTRL] I lost my internet bar, does anyone know how to fix it?Date: 
  Tuesday, November 09, 1999 6:51 PMI cannot see the bar where you are 
  to type in an internet address.I tried Tools/View - nothing works to get 
  it back. I follow instructionson Help but no luck.I sure can 
  use any help anybody has.Thanks.DECLARATION  
  DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange 
  list. Proselyzting propagandicscreeds are not allowed. Substance-not 
  soapboxing! These are sordid mattersand 'conspiracy theory', with 
  its many half-truths, misdirections and outrightfrauds is used 
  politically by different groups with major and minor effectsspread 
  throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no 
  endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;be 
  wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial 
  andnazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, 
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Re: [CTRL] OT: [THIS is SO COOL! --MS] TOTALLY FREE UNLIMITED INTERNETACCESS/E-MAIL (with NO BANNERS and 24/7 TOLL FREE, NO-WAIT TECH SUPPORT)

1999-11-07 Thread Terry Cox






What about the company, is it reputable? 
Been around a long time?
What would happen if it suddenly went 
bankrupt?
I know there is a risk involve, just trying to minimize 
it.
THANKS.
Terry



- Original Message - 

  From: 
  MICHAEL 
  SPITZER 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, November 07, 1999 12:27 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT: [THIS is SO COOL! 
  --MS] TOTALLY FREE UNLIMITED INTERNETACCESS/E-MAIL (with NO BANNERS and 24/7 
  TOLL FREE, NO-WAIT TECH SUPPORT)
  -Caveat Lector-YES! Good point...and they warn of 
  exactly this several timesthrough the set up.ALSO: When 
  you choose a USERNAME (or what ever they call it,e.g., "User I.D.," etc??) 
  THIS WILL BE YOUR EMAIL ADDY, i.e.,[EMAIL PROTECTED]. In other 
  words, pick your username withthis in mind!Let's see if there is 
  any REAL downside to this deal. I kept theTech support dude on the 
  line for 15 minutes DRILLING him aboutdown sides, and HE WAS GREAT, i.e., 
  friendly, spent all kinds oftime with me, and HONEST (at least so I could 
  tell???).Best to you all,MikeOn Sun, 7 Nov 
  1999, Bonnie Granat wrote: Hmm. I noticed the following on the 
  access number page: Local Access Numbers To 
  find a local access number, click on your state's name. Then find a 
  local city, area code, and number. Remember, just because a number is 
  in your area code, that doesn't mean it's a free call. Call your local 
  phone company to make sure. -Original 
  Message- From: MICHAEL SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 
  Saturday, November 06, 1999 11:26 PM Subject: CAS: OT: [THIS is SO 
  COOL! --MS] TOTALLY FREE UNLIMITED INTERNETACCESS/E-MAIL (with NO 
  BANNERS and 24/7 TOLL FREE, NO-WAIT TECH 
  SUPPORT)   WOW! I 
  saw this new ISP (new as of a few days ago!) mentioned on a small 
  segment of FOX Network's local 6:00 news broadcast here in AZ 
  tonight.  I just tested it out and am using as I 
  type!  This is a NO-STRINGS-ATTACHED NEW UNLIMMITED 
  INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER!  *THIS* IS WAY 
  COOL!  I got *INSTANT* (i.e., ZERO WAIT TIME) TOLL 
  FREE TECH SUPPORT, THERE ARE NO BANNERS AT ALL, AND THEY ARE IN 
  PARTNERSHIP WITH A.T. T. TO PROVIDE LOCAL ACCESS NUMBERS IN 
  ALMOST ALL AREAS OF THE COUNTRY!!!  You 
  can use your own computer based E-mail program or their web based 
  program (5 MB of storage).  At this time, they have no 
  web page services (there are all kinds of companies now, e.g., www.netcenter.com, etc., that offer 
  free web pages, however), and shortly they WILL offer web pages 
  for their clients at a small monthly fee.  
  The only catch is that when you go on-line, THEIR HOME PAGE OPENS 
  ON YOUR BROWSER (and I must say, THERE ARE SOME SMOKIN' DEALS ON 
  COMPUTERS, etc.), HOWEVER, simply close it out or start surfing 
  and THERE IS NO MORE EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER OF "WORLDSPY" FROM THAT 
  POINT ON!!  I highly recommend signing onto their 
  ISP service whether you keep your current ISP, or NOT (i.e., use 
  this when your ISP is down, if for no other reason!). 
   MERRY CHRISTMAS:)  Mike 
P.S. Here's a bit of the copy from their 
  sign up URL:   Source: 
http://www.worldspy.com/freeisp/isp.html 
   State-of-the-art service provided by MicroPortal.com, 
  a nationwide Internet Service provider with hundreds of 
  high-quality, high-speed 56K access numbers across the country. 
  24-Hour Toll-Free Customer Service Support No monthly 
  membership fees, no setup fees, no maintenance fees, no annual 
  dues. Save up to $20 per month ($240 per year)! Monthly specials 
  and other great offers! Sign up now!  To 
  see if you're just a local call away from FREE Internet access, 
  check our listing of Local Access Numbers now. Terms of Offer: 
  Your use of WorldSpy.net is completely free. No purchase 
  necessary. No strings. No membership fees. Period.  We 
  respect your privacy. We will never sell your personal information 
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  --end--  All I can say is that I AM IMPRESSED, 
  LIKE A BIG DAWG!   
  = 
   
  Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT   FROM THE 
  DESK 
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  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   
  *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   
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Re: [CTRL] More Dark Links

1999-11-03 Thread Terry Cox



Talent may not necessarily be on loan 
from God - could be Satan instead.


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [to:] 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 2:26 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] More Dark Links
  -Caveat Lector-On 1/11/99 mrufomn wrote:On 
  Mon, 1 Nov 1999, earthman wrote: I saw Bowie the 
  other night on TV when I was surfing. Phew. What a major 
  creep.I don't knowI always like the dudeSame 
  here. I think Bowie's rather talented.BD


[CTRL] (Fwd) Release: EEOC immigrants

1999-11-03 Thread Terry Cox




  Bear, 
  
  Want an EEO 
  laugh (sort of)? 
  Foxter
  ===NEWS 
  FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 
  100Washington DC 20037World Wide Web: http://www.lp.org/===For 
  release: November 3, 1999===For 
  additional information:George Getz, Press SecretaryPhone: (202) 
  333-0008 Ext. 222E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]===New 
  EEOC regulation will force employers tore-hire illegal immigrants (which 
  is a crime!) WASHINGTON, DC 
  -- Talk about a schizophrenicgovernment: TheEEOC has just announced 
  that if any U.S. company fires an illegalimmigrant because of 
  "discrimination," that employer will be forcedtorehire him -- even 
  though hiring illegal immigrants in the first placewas a 
  crime. 
  Confused? You're not the 
  only one, says the Libertarian Party: Thegovernment seems to be confused, 
  too -- since it has officiallyannounced that it plans to force Americans 
  to break the law. "According 
  to the government, if you fire illegal immigrantsfor the wrong reason, 
  which is a crime, you can be forced to rehirethem, which is a crime," said 
  Steve Dasbach, the party's nationaldirector. "So, you can go to jail for 
  hiring an illegal immigrant andyou can be fined for firing one. This pair 
  of paradoxical regulationsis enough to make you 
  paranoid." Last week, the 
  Equal Employment Opportunity Commission(EEOC)issued new guidelines to 
  protect illegal immigrants from workplacediscrimination -- even though 
  it's a crime to hire them in the firstplace -- arguing that non-residents 
  are "especially vulnerable toabuse and exploitation." Employers could face 
  a $300,000 fine iftheyfire an illegal immigrant with discriminatory 
  "malice." According to the 
  EEOC, illegal immigrants are protected byTitle VII of the 1964 Civil 
  Rights Act, even though they are notAmerican citizens and, technically 
  speaking, are breaking the lawbyeven being in the 
  country. And if illegal 
  immigrants are fired for discrimination-basedreasons, they are eligible 
  for back pay and attorney's fees -- andmust be reinstated to their jobs, 
  even though, under U.S. law,employers face up to five years in prison for 
  "knowingly" hiring anillegal 
  immigrant. "Employers are 
  caught between a rock and a hard place,"saidDasbach. "The rock is the 
  head of the bureaucrat who dreamed upthispreposterous regulation. The 
  hard place is the Federal Register,whereit's hard for ordinary 
  Americans to make sense of all the federallawsthat control every 
  aspect of our lives -- often at cross purposes toother 
  laws." So Libertarians 
  aren't surprised by this damned-if-you-do,damned-if-you-don't EEOC 
  regulation? Of course not, 
  said Dasbach: It's just one more example of adisease called "government 
  schizophrenia." "The 
  government stopped making sense a long time ago," 
  he said."Consider: The 
  federal government has spent millions of dollars tosubsidize tobacco 
  farmers, while spending millions of dollars topreach against cigarette 
  smoking. The government pays farmersnot togrow crops, and then gives 
  poor people money to afford the highcostof food. The government wages 
  a War on Drugs, then classifiesdrugabuse as a disability, so you can't 
  fire drug abusers." So 
  what's the solution? Like with any mental illness, 
  the firststep is to 
  recognize that you have a problem, suggested 
  Dasbach. "The problem starts 
  with people who turn to the government tosolve a social problem -- because 
  every time you give thegovernmentthe power to do something you like, 
  you also give it the power to dosomething you'll 
  hate. "Ironically, that's 
  why the very people who wanted the federalgovernment to save them from the 
  scourge of illegal immigrantsactually helped create the EEOC rule that 
  protects illegalimmigrants.Why? Because they gave the government more 
  power, money, 
  andcontrol. "And the 
  very people who wanted the federal government tosavethem from the 
  scourge of discrimination actually helped create thelaws that make it 
  illegal to hire undocumented aliens, whichencourages discrimination. Why? 
  Because they gave thegovernment morepower, money, and 
  control. In each case, said 
  Dasbach, once politicians had thatadditional power, money, and control, 
  they used it in ways youcouldnever predict, to accomplish policy goals 
  you probably opposed. "One 
  definition of insanity is: Doing the same thing over andover and expecting 
  a different result," he said. "As this new EEOCregulation proves, that's 
  also a good definition of what happenswhenyou ask the government to 
  solve social problems -- whether it isdiscrimination or illegal 
  immigration."-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-Version: 
  

Re: [CTRL] BEWARE: THIS IS SATANISM.

1999-10-31 Thread Terry Cox





Where is Part II??

Is today (Halloween) the day you will divulge 
it???



BOO !! 





  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  zuzu 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 12:55 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] BEWARE: THIS IS 
  SATANISM.
  
  Yes,
  We want part two, please 
  
  
  Lydia T. M. Ribeiro[EMAIL PROTECTED]"nada é mais 
  estranho que a verdade." 


Re: [CTRL] resources - Quan Article

1999-10-31 Thread Terry Cox



I cannot acces the following link. 
Any suggestions? Thanks. Terry
A Consolidation of SRA and False 
Memory Data by James Quan is available athttp://www.iccom.com/usrwww/jlquan.consldra.doc



 
**Below 
please find a list of some of our resources from our latest 
newsletter.Sincerely, Neil BrickResourcesPlease 
note: Listing of these resources does not necessarily constitute 
ourendorsement of them. They are for educational value only and some may 
betriggering.Please also note. Some of the conferences listed may 
not necessarily be safefor all survivors. S.M.A.R.T. recommends always 
bringing a support person toall conferences. If you are a survivor of mind 
control and/or ritual abuse,S.M.A.R.T. recommends that you try to bring a 
support person that is familiarwith mind control techniques.The Law 
and Mind Control - a Look at the Law and Government Mind ControlThrough Five 
Cases: CIA vs Sims, United States vs Stanley Orlikow, et Al vsUnited States, 
Kronisch vs United States et Al Heinrich, et Al vs Sweet, etAl by 
Helen L. McGonigle, Esq. at:http://members.aol.com/smartnews/fivecases.htm 
or via E-mail from SMART.Survivors of Incest Anonymous has literature 
and 12 step meetings forsurvivors of incest. SIA, P O Box 21817, Balt, MD 
21222, 410-282-3400,http://www.siawso.orgFalse Memory 
Syndrome Vs. Recovered Memories has links on this topic,http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Arael_ET_AL/did-fms.htm 
Some arewritten by skeptics. (The articles on this page may be triggering. 
Please usecaution.)Law and Social Inquiry - Journal of the American 
Bar Foundation, Volume 22,Number 3, Summer 1997 has an article called 
"Suppressing Memory" by LynneHenderson (The University of Chicago Press) "it 
would be an injustice todeclare all recovered memory unreliable and to adopt 
a legal rule precludingtestimony based on such memory."A 
Consolidation of SRA and False Memory Data by James Quan is available athttp://www.iccom.com/usrwww/jlquan.consldra.docOccult 
Signs and Symbols has information on the Masons and connectedorganizations. 
This page is Christian in nature and may be very triggering.http://www.exposingsatanism.org/signsymbolsThe 
Spectrum of Dissociative Disorders: An Overview of Diagnosis andTreatment by 
Joan A. Turkus, M.D. is available athttp://www.voiceofwomen.com/centerarticle.html 
The next part may betriggering. Quotes from the article include: 
"Understanding dissociation andits relationship to trauma is basic to 
understanding the posttraumatic anddissociative disorders." "Researchers and 
clinicians believe thatdissociation is a common, naturally occurring defense 
against childhoodtrauma...Faced with overwhelming abuse, it is not 
surprising that childrenwould psychologically flee (dissociate) from full 
awareness of theirexperience." "The dissociative spectrum (Braun, 1988) 
extends from normaldissociation to poly-fragmented DID. All of the disorders 
are trauma-based,and symptoms result from the habitual dissociation of 
traumatic memories.""The dissociated memory is alive and active--not 
forgotten, merely submerged(Tasman  Goldfinger, 1991). Major studies 
have confirmed the traumaticorigin of DID (Putnam, 1989, and Ross, 1989), 
which arises... as a result ofsevere physical, sexual, and/or emotional 
abuse. Poly-fragmented DID(involving over 100 personality states) may be the 
result of sadistic abuseby multiple perpetrators over an extended period of 
time."Dissociation and the Fragmentary Nature of Traumatic memories: 
Overview andExploratory Study. Bessel A. van der Kolk  Rita Fisler is 
athttp://www.trauma-pages.com/vanderk2.htm 
Quotes from the article include :"We present the results of a systematic 
exploratory study of 46 subjects withPTSD which indicates that traumatic 
memories are retrieved, at leastinitially, in the form of dissociated mental 
imprints of sensory andaffective elements of the traumatic experience: as 
visual, olfactory,affective, auditory and kinesthetic experiences... 
subjects reported thegradual emergence of a personal narrative that can be 
properly referred to as"explicit memory"."At http://home.nas.net/~raven1 /v2s-nasa.htm 
there is an article called"Effects of low power microwaves on the local 
cerebral blood flow ofconscious rats."Here is a quote from this 
page:"A decoy and deception concept presently being considered is to 
remotelycreate the perception of noise in the heads of personnel by exposing 
them tolow power, pulsed microwaves. When people are illuminated with 
properlymodulated low power microwaves the sensation is reported as a 
buzzing,clicking, or hissing which seems to originate ...within or just 
behind thehead. ...By proper choice of pulse characteristics, intelligible 
speech maybe created" Survivors may want to use caution when using the 
NASA linksat this page.Rescinding of Molestation Case Deadline 
Upheld, Maura Dolan, LA Times,8/31/99 

Re: [CTRL] BEWARE: THIS IS SATANISM.

1999-10-29 Thread Terry Cox



Thanks, I'd be very 
interested.

Terry


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  earthman 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, October 29, 1999 6:36 
  PM
  Subject: [CTRL] BEWARE: THIS IS 
  SATANISM.
  -Caveat Lector-Hi Just in and I have not scoped it 
  yet.. I will post pt 2 if anyone isinterested also a post on Crowley and 
  Parsons..PeterBEWARE: THIS IS SATANISM.Do not read this is 
  you don't want to be polluted by these evil ideas! I'mposting this 
  series because we must be wise as serpents, especially nowduring this most 
  evil time of year.The Babalon Workings, i.e., Black Ritualistic Sex 
  Magick, are apparentlyrituals which can move non material beings and 
  things from a dreamscape orvisionary realm into the 3D realm, i.e., the 
  physical! Meaning: conjuring.I must admit that I've only scanned 
  these black sex magik rituals.OH GOD! How I HATE 
  hollowe'en!IHN,BradFrom: "Our Resurrected Patron," 
  Fr. Nekronos. and Fr. ALSO ---Greetings/ 
  93,Several months back I promised to post an exact version of 
  theceremony I composed for my 9 month bhaktiyoga working. 
  Thisworking was a rite of devotion unto Our Lady Babalon which 
  wasperformed daily from 21 December 1995 until about 14 March 
  1996at which point the performance of the ceremonies were 
  disruptedby success ;') at which time the bhaktiyoga was continued 
  uponpurely tantrik sadhanas. The ritual was performed by myself, 
  butsimultaneously my Scarlet Woman (the blessed Shedona) 
  wasperforming her own complimentary bhaktiyoga ceremonial over 
  3000miles away across the Atlantic ocean. The two rituals 
  wereeventual combined in their first ever public performance at 
  ameeting of William Blake Camp OTO held in Ashburn VA 
  incelebration of the Feast of Beast and Bride.I submit 
  it for the edification, instruction or amusement of mybrothers and 
  sisters in the Art.Frater Ecce Belarion! 451(AKA Fr. 
  Nekronos, 494)LIBER CULTUS AD BABALONEM DOMINAM 
  NOSTRAMSub Figura CXLIIIOath:Upon 
  this, the day of greatest darkness, as Sol entereth theHouse of 
  Capricornus and is conjoined with Luna, Mercurius, Mars,Uranus and 
  Neptunus, in this year of Our Lady 4112, I, FraterNekronos, 494 ',' 
  Lalitananda Mahashava, do declare this RoyalOath - sacred and most 
  binding - a vow of total and most HolyObedience unto my 
  Queen.I swear upon the sacred word, BALANDROPhIZ, and upon the 
  threepoints of the Triangle and the four angles of the Square, that 
  Ishall deliver unto Our Lady Babalon the divine orisons which 
  shedoth supremely command. I shall enflame my soul with Love 
  forher, and shall do so daily, employing all the arts of love 
  andall the devices of poesy. I shall do this without 
  reservationand neither shall I permit aught to distract me from 
  thispurpose; for I love Her more than all the passion of the 
  world,and I would risk ALL to attain the promise of her 
  embrace.Declaration:"Ave Nostra Domina 
  BABALON; Mater Meretricium!"As a child thou didst come upon me 
  and was I not dazzled by thyadiance and by the searing heat of thy 
  beauty? And did thisVision not set my heart ever upon thee, that I 
  didst seek to findthee in the women I didst know? Yet did these women 
  not deny thypresence and, repelled by thy power, did they not seek the 
  palecomfort of the corpse, to be animated only by wretched spasms 
  ofmisery?Yea, in the women I didst know I found thee 
  not; yet did I findthee in dreams of poets and the Visions of the 
  Wise; and I didstrejoice to find thee so adored. For thou art lover to 
  many, yetpossessed by none:"Vous etes la 
  Putain et la Pucelle!"Now I gaze across the Perilous Pit, and 
  the Oceanic Deep and callto thee that I might pour my seven and twenty 
  years of lust, andthe centuries of my earthly devotion into thy 
  Goblet, that thoumayst drink deep of my darkly brewed desire. Consume 
  me utterly,as the witch Keridwen didst comsume the child Gwion, that I 
  mightbe reborn in thy Virgin Womb, even as Gwion didst pass into 
  theWomb of Keridwen to be reborn Radiant of Brow, possessed of 
  thewisdom and bardic genius which was the fame of 
  Taliesin.Thus, Frater Nekronos hath declared his incestuous 
  love for hisQueen and Sister BABALON! For it is said by the adepts of 
  theEast that, "Shiva is shava without Shakti", which is to say 
  thatthe Lord is a corpse without the Lady. Verily, by the wisdom 
  ofmy experience I know this to be true and without error, and it 
  isin this knowledge wherein lies the key to the understanding of 
  myname.Oratiuncula 
  Babalonis"Xaipe cwthp kocmou"Hark, for I am 
  Babalon, the Daughter of Nuit and the Bride ofChaos. Know that I am 
  the ALL in everything and the knowledge ofUnderstanding. I am millions 
  of Stars and the substance ofEternity - There is NOWHERE where I am 
  NOT, and my Girdle is thecircle of stars; Yes my sweet-smelling 
  adepts, I am the Soul ofthe World and the 

Re: [CTRL] Laugh till you cry.

1999-10-24 Thread Terry Cox



What is the name of the case, couldn't 
find it at the onion. 

Thanks.



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Nurev Ind 
  Research 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, October 24, 1999 11:49 
  AM
  Subject: [CTRL] Laugh till you cry.
  -Caveat 
  Lector- The Onionhttp://www.theonion.com 
  WASHINGTON, DC--In a historic decision with majorimplications for the 
  future of U.S. participatory democracy, the SupremeCourt ruled 8-1 Monday 
  that the American people are unfit to 
  govern. The controversial 
  decision, the first of its kind inthe 210-year history of U.S. 
  representative government, was, accordingto Justice David Souter, "a 
  response to the clear, demonstrableincompetence and indifference of the 
  current U.S. citizenry in mattersconcerning the operation of this nation's 
  government." As a result of the ruling, the 
  American people will nolonger retain the power to choose their own 
  federal, state and localofficials or vote on matters of concern to the 
  public. "This decision was by no means easy, 
  but it unfortunatelyhad to be done," said Justice Antonin Scalia, who 
  penned the majoritydecision in the case. "The U.S. Constitution is very 
  clear: In the eventthat the voting public becomes incapacitated or 
  otherwise unfit to carryout its duties of self-governance, there is a 
  danger posed to therepublic, and the judicial branch is empowered to 
  remove said public andreplace it with a populace more qualified to 
  lead." "In light of their unmitigated apathy 
  toward issues ofimport to the nation's welfare and their inability to 
  grasp even themost basic principles upon which participatory democracy is 
  built, wefound no choice but to rule the American people unfit to govern 
  at thistime," Scalia concluded. The 
  controversial ruling, court members stressed, is notintended as a slight 
  against the character of the American people, butmerely a necessary 
  measure for the public good. "The public's 
  right to the best possible representation is afounding principle of our 
  nation," Justice Sandra Day O'Connor toldreporters. "If you were on a jet 
  airliner, you wouldn't want anuntrained, incompetent pilot at the 
  controls, and this is the samething. As federal justices, we have taken a 
  solemn oath to uphold everycitizen's constitutional rights, and if we were 
  to permit anirresponsible, disinterested public to continue to helm the 
  ship ofstate, we would be remiss in our duties and putting the entire 
  nation atrisk." The ruling brings to an 
  end a grueling 10-month process,during which more than 100 Supreme Court 
  hearings were held to determinethe public's capacity for self-governance. 
  Despite the fact that thesehearings were aired on C-SPAN, a majority of 
  U.S. citizens were unawareof them because coverage was largely eclipsed by 
  the Clinton-Lewinskyscandal, the retirement of NBA legend Michael Jordan, 
  and the release ofTitanic on home video. 
  The Supreme Court found that, though 78 percent of U.S.citizens have seen 
  the much-anticipated Star Wars prequel trailer, onlyone in 200,000 were 
  aware that the multibillion-dollar "Star Wars"missile-defense system had 
  been approved by Congress. Additionally,while 62 percent of citizens 
  correctly identified the cast of SuddenlySusan, only .01 percent were able 
  to identify Attorney General JanetReno beyond "some woman Jay Leno always 
  says looks like a man." Further,only .0003 percent could correctly 
  identify the ancient Greek city-stateof Athens as the birthplace of the 
  concept of an educated citizenryparticipating in democratic 
  self-rule. Above: Just some of the millions of empty voting booths 
  that can beseen across America each 
  November. But the final 
  straw,Supreme Court justices said, came last week when none of the 
  500,000random citizens polled were aware that Russian President Boris 
  Yeltsinhad threatened global thermonuclear war in response to NATO air 
  attacksin Yugoslavia. "I mean, come on," 
  Justice William Rehnquist said. "Globalthermonuclear war? It's just 
  ridiculous. There was just no way we couldtrust such a populace to keep 
  running things after that." Populations 
  currently being considered to fill theleadership void until the American 
  people can be rehabilitated andreturned to self-governance include those 
  of Switzerland, Sweden andCanada. "I'm 
  willing to do what I can to help out in this time ofcrisis and make sure 
  that my vote counts," said Stockholm resident PerJohanssen. "I've been 
  reading up on America a bit, just to get a generalidea of what needs to be 
  done, and from what I can tell, they reallyneed some sort of broad-based 
  health-care reform over there right away." 
  In a provisional test of the new system, the Canadianprovince of 
  Saskatchewan will hold primaries next Tuesday to re-evaluatelast fall's 
  gubernatorial election in Minnesota. The 
  

Re: [CTRL] This is not the Bible discussion list. . .

1999-01-17 Thread Terry Cox



TenebrousT,
What is your 
advice to me, who sees many conspiracies as headed by 
Satan?Are people like merightfully part of this group or 
not? I think there is a difference between stating the source of 
conspiracy theories and preaching religion and I think we follow that pretty 
well. I'd appreciate your clarification. Thanks.
Terry

 - Original Message - 

  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 12:30 
  AM
  Subject: [CTRL] This is not the Bible 
  discussion list. . .
  -Caveat Lector-Some people may find the links in this 
  message of use, but let me say that Idon't want this list turned into a 
  forum for Bible thumping and beliefbashing. Thus I will ask that we 
  limit what we say and do in this regard tothe discussion of religion and 
  its relation to Conspiracy Theory, rather thanApologetics, Hermeneutics, 
  Theology, or other issues that have as their basisindividual belief and 
  faith issues that should be left to each to decide forthemselves. 
  The disclaimer in every post is explicit in this regard.Thank you for the 
  links and thank you for heeding this advice.In a message dated 
  11/18/99 5:17:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes: KIRK, DOREEN, PATRICK  ALL OF YOU IN 
  THIS EMAIL DISCUSSION LIST CAN GOTO... MY FAVORITE 
  BIBLE STUDY WEB SITES ON THE INTERNET RIGHT NOW AND WRITE ME 
  BACK THANKING ME FOR SHARING THESE TOTALLY COOL SITES WITH 
  YOU. SHALOM - MAG - [EMAIL PROTECTED] MY 
  FAVORITE BIBLE SEARCH ENGINE http://unbound.biola.edu/ 
  A HREF="http://unbound.biola.edu/"The Unbound 
  Bible/A HUGE List of Christian books online 
  including, Bible Dictionaries, Commentaries, etc 
  http://ccel.org/ A 
  HREF="http://ccel.org/"Christian Classics Ethereal Library -- 
  Fiction, etc./A Very Cool Source 
  for books by the CHURCH FATHERS, Augustine, 
  Aquinas,Luther, Calvin, etc http://www.gty.org/~phil/hall.htm 
  A HREF="http://www.gty.org/~phil/hall.htm"Hall of Church 
  History/A Very Cool Source for the CREEDS of 
  various denominations past  
  presentAHREF="http://www.creeds.net/index.htm" http://www.creeds.net/index.htm 
  Creeds of Christendom/A What the Bible Says 
  About... features The New Nave's Topical Bible, http://wbsa.logos.com/search.asp 
  A HREF="http://wbsa.logos.com/search.asp"What the Bible Says 
  About.../A Very Cool site for the serious 
  student of "LOGIC" - A must read for those who wish to 
  debate in a logical manner as opposed to emotional or 
  illogical,etc. http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/welcome.htm 
  A 
  HREF="http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/welcome.htm"StephenDownes 
  : Fallacies/A My Favorite Calvinist, 
  Reconstructionist, Intellectual web site excellent! http://www.chalcedon.edu/ 
  A 
  HREF="http://www.chalcedon.edu/"Chalcedon.edu/A 
  Huge List of links to great Christian Web sites from R.C. Sproul's 
  Ligonier Ministries Web SiteA 
  HREF="http://www.gospelcom.net/ligonier/links.html" http://www.gospelcom.net/ligonier/links.html 
  Links to other sites/A Huge list of "Christian 
  Web Sites" (Some of these sites are questionable) http://nav1-2.webring.com/cgi-bin/navcgi?ring=cchristian;list;page=0 
  AHREF="http://nav1-2.webring.com/cgi-bin/navcgi?ring=cchristian;list;page=0"Ri 
  ng of Conservative Christian 
  Sites/A*"Welcome 
  to the desert of the real." Morpheus, "The Matrix"."The most 
  merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the humanmind to 
  correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance 
  in the midst of seas of infinity,and it is not meant that we 
  should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own 
  direction, havehitherto harmed us little; but someday the 
  piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such 
  terrifyingvistas of reality, and of our frightful position 
  therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelationor flee from the 
  deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." 
  H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu"DECLARATION  
  DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange 
  list. Proselyzting propagandicscreeds are not allowed. Substance-not 
  soapboxing! These are sordid mattersand 'conspiracy theory', with 
  its many half-truths, misdirections and outrightfrauds is used 
  politically by different groups with major and minor effectsspread 
  throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no 
  endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;be 
  wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial 
  andnazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, 
  Caveat 
  Lector.Archives 
  Available 

[CTRL] CTRL LIST: HELP NEEDED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1999-01-02 Thread Terry Cox



I am exasperated.
I have twice been kicked off this 
list.
I reprint below the info I got sending a 
query.

My ISP is S T I L L in upper case 
letters.
How can that be? I replied in lower case 
mode

I do not know how to reach a human being to fix 
this.

PLEASEPLEASE
can anyone actually solve this for 
me?

I am upset that this is 
happening.

Terry

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[CTRL] Fw: CTRL LIST: HELP NEEDED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1999-01-02 Thread Terry Cox




- Original Message - 
From: Terry Cox 
To: Conspiracy Theory Research List 
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 9:37 PM
Subject: CTRL LIST: HELP NEEDED !!!

I am exasperated.
I have twice been kicked off this 
list.
I reprint below the info I got sending a 
query.

My ISP is S T I L L in upper case 
letters.
How can that be? I replied in lower case 
mode

I do not know how to reach a human being to fix 
this.

PLEASEPLEASE
can anyone actually solve this for 
me?

I am upset that this is 
happening.

Terry

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[CTRL] More on PLEASE HELP

1999-01-02 Thread Terry Cox





- Original Message - 
From: Terry Cox 
To: Conspiracy Theory Research List 
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 9:37 PM
Subject: CTRL LIST: HELP NEEDED !!!

I am exasperated.
I have twice been kicked off this 
list.
I reprint below the info I got sending a 
query.

My ISP is S T I L L in upper case 
letters.
How can that be? I replied in lower case 
mode

I do not know how to reach a human being to fix 
this.

PLEASEPLEASE
can anyone actually solve this for 
me?

I am upset that this is 
happening.

Terry

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