Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Xtians and Khazars.]

1999-01-05 Thread PrKara

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So what?  If they keep Torah, whether Jews by heritage or conversion, then
they have become children of Abraham.

If, in addition, they come to embrace Yeshua HaMoshiach (Jesus the Messiah) as
Messiah God, as more and more Jews are doing, then they have become completed
Jews.  And Christians who take the trouble to study and understand Torah
enough to incorporate it into their lives have become *firmly* grafted into
the vine.

Yeshua / Jesus said He came to fulfill (satisfy) the Law, not destroy it.  He
repealed none of God's Law.  Human embellishments and detail in carrying out
God's Law may be optional in light of modern advances in hygiene, sanitation
and health, but God's Law remains perfect and unchanged.  And is *not*
optional!

IMHO

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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Xtians and Khazars.]

1999-01-05 Thread nurev

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 So what?  If they keep Torah, whether Jews by heritage or conversion, then
 they have become children of Abraham.

 If, in addition, they come to embrace Yeshua HaMoshiach (Jesus the Messiah) as
 Messiah God, as more and more Jews are doing, then they have become completed
 Jews.

Not at all. They will have become ex-Jews and Christian converts.
That's ok if
you wasn't to trade one kind of superstitious nonsense for an other,
but it is
un-Jewish to worship a human as a deity. And, when one worships Jesus
as a
deity, one is a Christian by definition. There is no such thing as a
Jewish
Christian.

 And Christians who take the trouble to study and understand Torah
 enough to incorporate it into their lives have become *firmly* grafted into
 the vine.

I don't know what this mumbo jumbo means.


 Yeshua / Jesus said He came to fulfill (satisfy) the Law, not destroy it.  He
 repealed none of God's Law.  Human embellishments and detail in carrying out
 God's Law may be optional in light of modern advances in hygiene, sanitation
 and health, but God's Law remains perfect and unchanged.  And is *not*
 optional!

 IMHO

Yeah right! Good luck.

Joshua2

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[CTRL] [Fwd: Xtians and Khazars.]

1999-01-04 Thread nurev

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 Original Message 
Subject: Xtians and Khazars.
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 12:25:37 -0800
From: nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: Nurev Independent Research

Finally Available To ALL - Absolute Historical Proof : Jews are not
Israelites!

Research Proves "Jews" are non-Israelite Asiatics!

DATELINE U.S.A. (1977) -- In 1976 Random House published a book that
should have hit the
Christian Churches like a blockbuster, but instead they chose totally
to ignore it. It dealt with the racial
origin of the people in Communist and Christian countries who call
themselves "Jews," and whom the
Churches (and the Jews themselves) generally insist are "God's Chosen
People," the Israelite
descendants of Abraham. Since the late 1800's a small number of Bible
Scholars, who were also
students of History and Racial origins, have insisted the Church
denominations were wrong; that instead
of being Israelites, these Jews from Eastern Europe and Western Asia
were descended from
Mongolians and other Asiatic peoples who had adopted Judaism as their
"religion" over 1,000 years ago
and had become know as "Jews." These Bible scholars were ignored or
condemned, and often called
"cultists" or "anti-Semites."

Now, after many years of research, a well-known Jewish author, Arthur
Koestler has published a 255
page book titled THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE in which he proves the same
point; i.e. that these
Eastern European "Jews" are neither Israelites nor "Semites," but are
instead Khazars, Mongols, and
Huns! Most major newspapers and magazines reviewed the book during
1976. Also, Random House,
the publisher, advertised it extensively and began some of their ads
with the following headline: WHAT
IF MOST JEWS AREN'T REALLY SEMITES AT ALL? In addition, Random House
quoted the
following reviews:

"Mr. Koestler's excellent book...Is as readable as it is
thought-provoking. Nothing could be
more stimulating than the skill, elegance and erudition with which he
marshals his facts and
develops his theories..." Fitzroy Maclean, New York Times Book Review.

"You do not have to be Jewish to be interested... Are today's Western
Jews really ethnic, Semitic,
Biblical Jews, or are most of them descendants of converted
Khazars?...This compact, interesting
book...examines tragic-ironic implications in [this question] for
modern history...It should
fascinate." --Edmund Fuller, Wall Street Journal

"Koestler marshals the evidence in a clear and convincing way. He
tells a good story, pulling
together materials from medieval Muslims and Jewish travelers,
scholarly controversy and the
mysterious lore of the Khazars." --Raymond Sokolov, Newsweek

Robert Kirsch of the Los Angeles Times stated in his lengthy review
that 'Arthur Koestler publicizes
with his customary skills a daring hypothesis: that THE KHAZAR JEWS
MIGRATED TO
POLAND AND BECAME THE FOREBEARS OF EASTERN EUROPEAN JEWRY...' Then
Kirsch
quoted Prof. A. N. Poliak of Tel Aviv University, who stated that "The
large majority of world
Jewry is descended from the Jews of Khazaria." Then he again quoted
Koestler in THE
THIRTEENTH TRIBE, "If so, this would mean that their ancestors came
not from the Jordan but
from the Volga; not from Canaan but from the Caucasus, once believed
to be the cradle of the
Aryan race; and that GENETICALLY THEY ARE MORE RELATED TO THE HUN,
UIGUR, AND
MAGYAR TRIBES THAN TO THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC, AND JACOB..."
(emphasis
added) We cannot stress enough how absolutely imperative it is for all
Christian Americans to consider
the startling proof in Arthur Koestler's book that today's Jews are
not Israelites. The Jewish influence
on American life has reached such a stage that no student of
contemporary history can ignore it. Not
only the news media are Jewish monopolies, but top positions in the
U.S. government are largely filled
by Eastern European Jews. The magazine and book publishing houses are
in Jewish hands; and movies,
television, and the other entertainment industries are dominated by
Jews in all phases. America's
government and most of her people's sources of information are
controlled and directed by Jews. If
these people were really "God's Chosen People," perhaps Americans
would have little cause for
concern -- BUT WHAT IF THEY ARE REALLY THE "HUNS" AND THEREFORE THE
ANCIENT ENEMIES OF CHRISTENDOM? Since many Americans may not have an
opportunity to
read Koestler's book, we shall herewith submit our own index-style
review.

   THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE (by Arthur Koestler, Random House)

 Reviewed by Pastor Sheldon Emry

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Information

  15
  Khazars adopt Judaism as their religion in A.D. 740.
  16
  Majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in
origin, not   Semitic.
  Refers to 1973 Jewish Encyclopediaand A. N. Poliak,
Professor, Medieval Jewish
  History, Tel Aviv University.
  17
  Jews more closely related to Hun,