Re: [CTRL] [illusions] Re: [EWAR] Radar weirdness over Pine Ridge-Dialogue

2000-02-02 Thread Colleen Jones

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Re: [CTRL] [illusions] Re: [EWAR] Radar weirdness over Pine Ridge-Dialogue

2000-01-23 Thread DIG alfred webre

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Re: [illusions] Re: [EWAR] Radar weirdness over Pine Ridge
  -Dialogue
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 Jan 23, 2000
11:10 PST

  Good debate. My role is like an old bird dog to sniff and fetch, and drop
  the game at the doorstep. The method to sort the chaff is to post it ALL,
  sort later:
  http://members.aol.com/phikent/orbit/orbitback66.html

  1. Received this from a source close to the rez, info/disinfo is rife,
quote:

  "I got original mis/disinformation from Martina Lookinghorse on Sunday. On
  looking back, that was "spun" to imply that the FBI was in confrontation,
  but she never actually *said that.* However, what she said about a standoff
  was true. There was probably more truth to the fact that folks were afraid
  of another Waco than just manipulation.

  Some things were embroidered by folks on-site to get more interest. But
  then, when those were proven wrong, and it looked like interest was starting
  to drop off, REAL nastiness started going down. There have been incidents
  that have not been reported, that the "official" sources have asked me not
  to put out, because of possible panic. There have been attempts to drive
  through barricades and shoot the place up, averted by tribal police. There
  are also factions allied with the tribal council who are trying to incite
  the local racist community. People are posting attempts to discredit each
  other..." (Futhermore a tip to keep an eye on the following message board):
  http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002Nb2

  2. Also from memory, concerning knocking hardware out of the sky, an
emailer
  indicated that such would take two "phased" (I think) beams intersecting.
As
  I recall the poster said that intersecting beams heat things up and
parallel
  beams cool things down, something like that. Such transmission can
originate
  from anywhere on earth using over-the horizon tech. Lot of whispering here
  in Seattle about Boeing's research into a new phased radar, something about
  the transmitter being positioned, stationary, the signal scans but the
  antenna does not move.

  3. Additionally, a more exotic possibility, this time perhaps observed from
  sat (weather manipulation this time?), quote:

  ". . . it is possible to focus the potential for the effects of a weapon
  through spacetime itself, in a manner so that mass and energy do not
"travel
  through space" from the transmitter to the target at all. Instead, ripples
  and patterns in the fabric of spacetime itself are manipulated to meet and
  interfere in and at the local spacetime of some distant target.
  http://www.webaxs.net/~noel/articles/par-sem.htm
  Weird waves on radar over Northwest
  http://www.cbjd.net/orbit/radar/Vis2pdx2.jpg"

  4. Rumors about mind-disrupter tech involves a signal in the 7.6htz
  frequency, futhermore, even more astounding, quote:
  "On the other hand, it will also be possible to simply pull out a
  personality-structure from a person, without his or her consent, and insert
  another. Or to alter a given personality structure by just altering and
  re-recording the software. This technological possibility, of course, will
  certainly be noticed by would-be egomaniacs and dictators, for it can yield
  the ultimate mind control. It will also be possible to provide direct input
  inside the mind, surreptitiously, from a distance and without the knowledge
  and consent of the individual affected."
  http://members.aol.com/phikent/orbit/orbitback29.html

  Kent Steadman
  http://members.aol.com/phikent/orbit/orbit.html

  In a message dated 1/23/00 7:32:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   There is not enough data to support the suggested theories.

  Yes, Electronic weaponry exists in very sophisticated manners, BUT when we
  are talking about physical phenomena that "might" be detected by a radar
  system, for example- there WILL be physical manifestations in other ways.

  Interference in radio signals manifest themselves in some pretty standard
  forms that are quantifiable and detectable- they did interfere with the
  signal after all.

  But what is gained if we see something that we are not familiar with, in a
  field we are absolutely not familiar with, and we apply a theory because it
  fits?

  Nothing is gained.

  Just because a child may think that the earth is flat, does not make it
flat.

  Field investigations, as suggested very early on, are a good idea, I never
  dismissed that.

  What I would not accept are the assertions of ecotoday that the Pine Ridge
  Reservation site was going to be a site of genocide. I doubt that anyone
  in that area will have any problems if they use some common sense, and drop
  the "victim mentality" that has propelled many democrat politicians into
  office- only to perpetuate 

Re: [CTRL] [illusions] Re: [EWAR] Radar weirdness over Pine Ridge -Dialogue

2000-01-23 Thread DIG alfred webre

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Kent Steadman wrote:

 What I would not accept are the assertions of ecotoday that the Pine Ridge
  Reservation site was going to be a site of genocide. 

Kent- Clarification: We never said a "physical genocide."  Here in Canada,
the government instituted a system of residential schools in the early 1900s
to erase all of the traditional culture from Aboriginals.  Now, the
government is paying reparations for "cultural genocide."  If the US
government is
waging secret EWAR against First Nations peoples at Pine Ridge on the basis
of their race, they are committing cultural genocide under the Universal
Declaration of Human Rights.  Thanks, Geri  Alfred, Vancouver, BC

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