Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Columbine Misinformation]]
-Caveat Lector- Robert Tatman wrote: -Caveat Lector- "Howard R. Davis III" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- snip This does not make sense to me. Why wouldn't it be easier for the "oligarchy" to manipulate the media by having just one spokesman? Would this not keep opinions and facts which the "oligarchy" did not wish exposed from coming to light? It seems to me that the more sources of information, the better. Howard Davis More sources of information means more confusion and less certainty for the observer. Information equals the negative reciprocal of probability, I=-(1/P). It's in the interest of the Oligarchy to induce the citizenry (thee and me) to blank out, to overload, to change the channel... Oh look, there's a really good fight going on in the Flyers-Leafs hockey game on ESPN...besides, who wants to watch CNN all the time anyway? If you have one spokesman, even if he's lying to you, you can focus on what he's saying and ask yourself, "Now wait a minute--did that actually make *sense?" The Oligarchy wants us to be confused. As John Brunner has one of his characters in *The Shockwave Runner* exclaim, "Don't give me any more information! I've got more information now than I can cope with, so shut up! Do you hear me? Shut up!" The ESPN example does not seem to me to be one which bears on the question. Of course sports and entertainment do distract from attaining a clear understanding of a given situation since they would distract from concentration on the subject. However, the discussion pertained to multiple spokesmen. Your later argument that if you have one spokesman who is lying you can focus on him and perhaps learn the truth in that manner has some merit. However, it seems to me that most people tend to believe what they are told and do not question it unless they are told several things by several different sources. In that case they must then think about these disagreements and thus may come to discern the truth. Isn't getting everyone to agree on the same story the first thing that people do when they are trying to fool someone? Getting the story straight is a lot easier if you have only one spokesman. If you have several, one might mention something differently than another and cause people to wonder why. Or, each additional person disseminating information increases the chances of one slipping and letting something out. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Columbine Misinformation
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 04/30/1999 7:27:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know about the names, but for them to have heard about the shootings on the radio makes good sense. Almost everybody has scanners going these days, and they know everything the police know, even when the police try to use codes. Prudy Many PDs no longer use ordinary analog voice radio, but have gone to spread-spectrum or digital signals, which are NOT easily inter- cepted. We'd have to know what type of commo system the Littleton PD had in place before being able to make a judgment about this. Devil's in the details, eh? Apparently the budget around here doesn't extend to the new technology. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Columbine Misinformation
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stone had told the AP that he was suspicious of the three because they had claimed to have heard of the killings on the radio -- and were able to name the gunmen -- before the names had been released. I don't know about the names, but for them to have heard about the shootings on the radio makes good sense. Almost everybody has scanners going these days, and they know everything the police know, even when the police try to use codes. Prudy Many PDs no longer use ordinary analog voice radio, but have gone to spread-spectrum or digital signals, which are NOT easily inter- cepted. We'd have to know what type of commo system the Littleton PD had in place before being able to make a judgment about this. Devil's in the details, eh? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Columbine Misinformation
-Caveat Lector- So now I make me the target. June is familiar with the Kennel Club; now, with one word - a secret word - you can turn loose a friendly sweet dog,and make him a killer.one word, a trainer. I believe the secret word for Sirhan Sirhan, was POLL, the Rosicrucian word of the month club - I checked that out at the time what the key word was for APRILApril 1968 the Rosicrucian secret word was POLL. Now also in June, in astrology.and Imost certainly am no expert here but there arethose on list who areand at that time I had not linked to Sybil Leek areIn June, the sign is Gemini - the Twins.for instance Doctor King, when he began his march.the astrological sign - under the biblical attributes of the twelve tribes Gad ruled. The Tribe of Gad, was the overcomers.. Hitler followed astrologyand it was Sybil Leek and Ian Fleming, who charted Hess' escape route to Scotland - it was an astrological escape routeand Hitler, thought the Roscicrucians were SS for the English. Now, to make things even more complex, Sirhan having joined the Rosicrucians, had been previously under a control without a doubt.and the song of the month was Qui Sirah, Sirhanwhat ever will be will be.. A man on the stage shouted to RFK tht nite, and he turned and went a different route through the pantrywhere Sirhan Sirhan with his strange eyes, waited.the deed was done.one of Howard Huges old flunkies was also on the sceneJohn Glenn who was with Bobby quietly left the scene. And the writing on the wall read "There is but one King", words to that affect and a little girl in a polka dotted dress, ran from the scene allegedly stating "We killed him, We killed him".later this little girl was found dead, in a motel room..on a mirror (oh yes, we do see through the glass but darkly, St. Paul)she had written "Lord you gave me that mountain I AM loved to climb"I Am That I AmRoyal Arch Stuff. So, the kids at Columbinethey had a controlMarilyn Monroe had a control; Sirhan Sirhan was in the hands of a control and even went into one of the worst mind control centers in the world, the home of the Hearst Family, the Rosicrucian Society..Hickley comes out of Colorado and gun downs Reaganon a date and time established before handBremer in his diary "Call me Ishmael"and of course, the Ishmaleites wore Golden earrings... Eric Harris in the hands of a psychiatrists under psychotropics.in mental hospitals, a lot of "cliens" are put on these drugs, because under the behavior modifications program, they can be CONTROLLED.that is the key word. Son of Sam..talked to a dog..was there a key word that made him a killer on schedulewhat was the magic secret wordthe Hole In The Wall, to which is referred, can be found in the biblekeyed to one of his murders. Pavlov's dogsthe bell ringseverything on schedule...how did Sirhan Sirhan, a poor Arab boy, end up in the Rosicrucian Societyand I will go no further into that. Those who have gotten this far, I am taking this off the top of my head, but somewhere somehow, these controllers have key words setting off these kids like the Military does their K-9 Choir.only it would be a little more difficult to control the dogs, inasmuch as you cannot drug them. In my days of considerable research, I was followed into libraries; this one man, would get on the other side of the shelf, and look at me.on one occasion, I just sat on the floor, until he leftand it was broad daylight outside.well, at least until I thought he left.as I was goingout the door with a lot of book, I heard a loud slamthere he stood, with a big book in his hands, which he slammed shut as hard as he could, until I looked at himand the look he gave me, was not nice.He also was not the clean cut type the FBI hires, and I have personally knowna lot of fine gentleman, in the FBIexcept for one. So.this hodge podge.book slamming, code words of the monthmusic playingpolka dotted dresses..J. Edgar Hoover in his Masters of Deceit said to "know your enemy".know whawt and who it is..he also spoke of a woman in a polka dotted dress..I read this book, when they little girl in the polka dotted dress, was found dead in the motel roomno doubt, the Gideon Bible was opened to a certain passage. There has been a lot of moutain climbing, the Summit..stop and think.NATO meeting, representing the holders of the Spear of Destiny.who held this powerful spear, used it to pierce the side of Christ, yet the summit.King climbed a mountain with Mosesand met death timed to the Gideon clendar; NATO holds a summit.the top of the mountain.and in Columbine, a lot of kids are killed.the night we not only had reached for the moon, but walked upon the moonTeddy Kennedy was nearly murdered on
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Columbine Misinformation]
-Caveat Lector- Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Misinformation Given in Colo. Probe snip Initial reports that 25 were killed were eventually revised to 15. Investigators first said three gunmen were in the school, then changed that to two. Investigators said a girlfriend of one of the gunmen bought a handgun and a rifle used in the crime -- and then on Wednesday said she actually bought two shotguns and a rifle. snip Part of the problem is the tendency of law enforcement personnel to play to the news media, to put themselves in the best possible light. This usually means that instead of *one* person handling media contacts, you have half-a-dozen, each one telling a different story and none coordinating with any of the others. In addition, there is always the rogue elephant who talks out of class and gives the media stuff they really shouldn't have, probably because it isn't really correct. It seems as if every cop sees himself as Jimmy Smits on NYPD Blue, and wants to use the media to make sure the public realizes this... And this only makes it easier for the Oligarchy to manipulate the media into presenting the picture they want us to have. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Columbine Misinformation]
-Caveat Lector- Robert Tatman wrote: snip Part of the problem is the tendency of law enforcement personnel to play to the news media, to put themselves in the best possible light. This usually means that instead of *one* person handling media contacts, you have half-a-dozen, each one telling a different story and none coordinating with any of the others. In addition, there is always the rogue elephant who talks out of class and gives the media stuff they really shouldn't have, probably because it isn't really correct. It seems as if every cop sees himself as Jimmy Smits on NYPD Blue, and wants to use the media to make sure the public realizes this... And this only makes it easier for the Oligarchy to manipulate the media into presenting the picture they want us to have. Bob This does not make sense to me. Why wouldn't it be easier for the "oligarchy" to manipulate the media by having just one spokesman? Would this not keep opinions and facts which the "oligarchy" did not wish exposed from coming to light? It seems to me that the more sources of information, the better. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Columbine Misinformation]]
-Caveat Lector- "Howard R. Davis III" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- snip This does not make sense to me. Why wouldn't it be easier for the "oligarchy" to manipulate the media by having just one spokesman? Would this not keep opinions and facts which the "oligarchy" did not wish exposed from coming to light? It seems to me that the more sources of information, the better. Howard Davis More sources of information means more confusion and less certainty for the observer. Information equals the negative reciprocal of probability, I=-(1/P). It's in the interest of the Oligarchy to induce the citizenry (thee and me) to blank out, to overload, to change the channel... Oh look, there's a really good fight going on in the Flyers-Leafs hockey game on ESPN...besides, who wants to watch CNN all the time anyway? If you have one spokesman, even if he's lying to you, you can focus on what he's saying and ask yourself, "Now wait a minute--did that actually make *sense?" The Oligarchy wants us to be confused. As John Brunner has one of his characters in *The Shockwave Runner* exclaim, "Don't give me any more information! I've got more information now than I can cope with, so shut up! Do you hear me? Shut up!" Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Columbine Misinformation]]
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/29/99 4:47:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Oligarchy wants us to be confused. Yep. That IS the point. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Columbine Misinformation
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 04/29/1999 7:18:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, Das GOAT wrote: Stone had told the AP that he was suspicious of the three because they had claimed to have heard of the killings on the radio -- and were able to name the gunmen -- before the names had been released. I don't know about the names, but for them to have heard about the shootings on the radio makes good sense. Almost everybody has scanners going these days, and they know everything the police know, even when the police try to use codes. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
