Re: [CTRL] Earth First Group and NWO
-Caveat Lector- Head's up! The new issue of Jim Martin's Flatland Magazine, at the rpinter now and on the stands in about a month or so, will have some interesting new information about Earth First. kt DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Earth First Group and NWO
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/24/99 3:31:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What it boils down to is "old growth" is your interest and while you can clearly see the land grab issue as being NWO, you don't make the same connection to the logging side because it happens to be a personal issue with you. I would point out that the people on the land grab issue would probably see "old growth" as being NWO while their pet, prized issue would be ranked in the "not the same" catagory. I am sure you have already been taught in school that oxygen is necessary to OUR survival as a species. If this is not an issue with you then I suggest you work on developing your survival instinct and quit pushing paradigms that are not consistent with survival. That will make YOU complicit a conspiracy of unexamined thinking and behavior, our greatest enemy. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Earth First Group and NWO
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/25/99 9:36:37 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 1/24/99 3:31:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What it boils down to is "old growth" is your interest and while you can clearly see the land grab issue as being NWO, you don't make the same connection to the logging side because it happens to be a personal issue with you. I would point out that the people on the land grab issue would probably see "old growth" as being NWO while their pet, prized issue would be ranked in the "not the same" catagory. I am sure you have already been taught in school that oxygen is necessary to OUR survival as a species. If this is not an issue with you then I suggest you work on developing your survival instinct and quit pushing paradigms that are not consistent with survival. That will make YOU complicit a conspiracy of unexamined thinking and behavior, our greatest enemy As I pointed out your tripwire, pet issue happens to be "old growth" To some of the people, land grab is the pet issue, to others its the turtles, and the snails. All done in the name of terms like "sustainable growth", biodiversity," and other such terms being peddled by the NWO/UN. People involved in those projects wax eloquent about how their one issue(s) is the one thats crucial to the survival of humanity and the planet. Of no matter, its all parts and pieces of the same NWO plans whether folks like it or not. Jet airplanes aren't built in one day, but requre that many parts and pieces be assembled to achieve the final product. The NWO is exactly the same. Cheers, Robert DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Earth First Group and NWO]
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Agent Smiley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
In a message dated 1/23/99 1:02:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The NWO/UN/Global government crowds ultimate goal is to stop all
logging/mining
and other things and allow the land to go back to nature.
Whether knowing, or unknowing the enviro's as a whole are supporting
the
NWO/
global government plans. While some of the rank-in-file enviro group
member
If environmentalism is the gist of the NWO's plot, then we have no case
against this 'movement.' If Earth First! was involved in such a complicity
then they would not be spending so much time in jail, getting beat up (by
cops, etc.), getting blown up by the FBI on the way to testifying against
that
very agency, not to mention all the bad press, i.e. terrorism labelling,
blah
blah blah.
This is among the lamest conspiratorial claims that I have ever seen.
OTOH, the conservation movement has deep roots (pun intended) in social
conservatism. Environmentalism has often been used as an excuse to ignore
social problems, and can even lead to a kind of pastoral fascism--cp. the Nazi
concept of *Blut und Boden* ("Blood and Soil"). The idea of setting aside
"nature reserves" as, essentially, playgrounds for the super-elite (and I
think you'll find that it will be the hoi polloi who are moved out, not the
Ted Turners) fits quite well into the vision of a NWO.
Now, even given that, I still support Earth First!--they are one of the very
few groups doing *anything* to block the logging companies, and their tactics
are resolutely nonviolent. It's just that environmental activism can all too
easily be redirected to channels controlled by the NWO. Earth First! and Sea
Shepherds are not likely to be coopted; but the Sierra Club has undoubtedly
been part of the NWO from the start. (Check out some of John Muir's writings;
sure, they put out cool calendars, but if you really *read* the stuff beneath
the pictures, you'll never look at a redwood again without shuddering...)
Bob
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Re: [CTRL] Earth First Group and NWO
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/23/99 12:42:21 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like old growth forests.The big logging companies can do/ and do tree farming and reforestation Old growth is part of our national patrimony.I am well aware of Clinton/NWO land garbs in Utah and else where. Killing old growth is not the same. What it boils down to is "old growth" is your interest and while you can clearly see the land grab issue as being NWO, you don't make the same connection to the logging side because it happens to be a personal issue with you. I would point out that the people on the land grab issue would probably see "old growth" as being NWO while their pet, prized issue would be ranked in the "not the same" catagory. Cheers, Robert DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Earth First Group and NWO
-Caveat Lector- Correction: I should have written "How DO the actions of the Earth First group assist the NWO agenda?". Who are these "Hurwitz's" you refer to? Are you trying to say HOROWITZ (as in TONTO) by any chance? If so, it sounds like you are suggesting the Jews of the world are the NWO accomplices. Of course there are some Jews involved in that agenda, however, it would not be KOSHER to suggest ALL Jews are conspiring in this regard. ME On Friday, January 22, 1999 6:09 PM, Daniel Holly [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- They don't ... Earth First are cool.The Hurwitz's of the world are the NWO accomplices. D -Original Message- From: Michael Estes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, January 22, 1999 8:50 PM Subject: [CTRL] Earth First Group and NWO -Caveat Lector- You are correct about the NWO creep. If things continue along their present course then most everyone, in the not-too-distant future, will be shouting HEIL GORBACHEV (who I suspect is waiting in the wings to be the Planetary Emperor). I just read Clancey's latest book RAINBOW 6 and it painted a picture of this Earth First group as "terrorists." How does the actions of the Earth First group assist the NWO agenda? ME DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Earth First Group and NWO
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/22/99 6:56:27 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just read Clancey's latest book RAINBOW 6 and it painted a picture of this Earth First group as "terrorists." How does the actions of the Earth First group assist the NWO agenda? Michael, First off, you should see the maps drawn based on information provided in official govt/UN documents. You can find them at A HREF="http://www.america- collins.com/biomaps.htm"http://www.america-collins.com/biomaps.htm/A. After you see the maps, reserves, corridors etc you will see many sections of land on the map that the enviro's are currently promoting to be "wilderness" and other sections being protected because of various things from snails to bears. Until you see the map, nobody sees the "master plan" so to speak. Up in Montana the enviros are working with people on a local level, and locals are "supporting" the idea of having a human free "corridor" running from glacier Natl park, down to the Idaho/MT border (which encompases a chunk of wilderness area, then down the Idaho border to Yellowstone Park, etc etc. Of late the enviro's want to ban snow mobiles from Yellowston park because of pollution blah blah. Then next it will be cars, then next they will want to close it off entirely. Their is quite an A HREF="http://jbs.org/vo12no09.htm#battle"article explaining/A it all with quotes from Dave Forman and others. The first part of the article is a recap of a conference of people against the scheme, then the article connects the dots with the UN/Wildlands project. Hope you find this interesting. Cheers, Robert DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Earth First Group and NWO
-Caveat Lector- Toto Horowitz might be part mishpocha[sp?nurev?] I don't really know. The Charles Hurwitz I was referring to is the CEO of MAXXAM Corporation which is a leading destroyer of old growth forests. And that's demonic and NWOish enough for me. D -Original Message- From: Michael Estes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, January 23, 1999 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Earth First Group and NWO -Caveat Lector- Correction: I should have written "How DO the actions of the Earth First group assist the NWO agenda?". Who are these "Hurwitz's" you refer to? Are you trying to say HOROWITZ (as in TONTO) by any chance? If so, it sounds like you are suggesting the Jews of the world are the NWO accomplices. Of course there are some Jews involved in that agenda, however, it would not be KOSHER to suggest ALL Jews are conspiring in this regard. ME On Friday, January 22, 1999 6:09 PM, Daniel Holly [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- They don't ... Earth First are cool.The Hurwitz's of the world are the NWO accomplices. D -Original Message- From: Michael Estes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, January 22, 1999 8:50 PM Subject: [CTRL] Earth First Group and NWO -Caveat Lector- You are correct about the NWO creep. If things continue along their present course then most everyone, in the not-too-distant future, will be shouting HEIL GORBACHEV (who I suspect is waiting in the wings to be the Planetary Emperor). I just read Clancey's latest book RAINBOW 6 and it painted a picture of this Earth First group as "terrorists." How does the actions of the Earth First group assist the NWO agenda? ME DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Earth First Group and NWO
-Caveat Lector- Daniel Holly wrote: -Caveat Lector- Toto Horowitz might be part mishpocha[sp?nurev?] Seems right to me. Where did you get a Yiddish spell checker? J2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Earth First Group and NWO
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/23/99 1:02:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The NWO/UN/Global government crowds ultimate goal is to stop all logging/mining and other things and allow the land to go back to nature. Whether knowing, or unknowing the enviro's as a whole are supporting the NWO/ global government plans. While some of the rank-in-file enviro group member If environmentalism is the gist of the NWO's plot, then we have no case against this 'movement.' If Earth First! was involved in such a complicity then they would not be spending so much time in jail, getting beat up (by cops, etc.), getting blown up by the FBI on the way to testifying against that very agency, not to mention all the bad press, i.e. terrorism labelling, blah blah blah. This is among the lamest conspiratorial claims that I have ever seen. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Earth First Group and NWO
-Caveat Lector- Michael Estes wrote: -Caveat Lector- You are correct about the NWO creep. If things continue along their present course then most everyone, in the not-too-distant future, will be shouting HEIL GORBACHEV (who I suspect is waiting in the wings to be the Planetary Emperor). I just read Clancey's latest book RAINBOW 6 and it painted a picture of this Earth First group as "terrorists." How does the actions of the Earth First group assist the NWO agenda? ME On Thursday, January 21, 1999 8:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/21/99 11:35:19 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LYNDA'S COMMENT: Robert does have a point, if only to the extent that the NWO in many respects is already here, and has slithered in through the back door while we were watching football and/or masturbating. But if we subscribe to the gist of his argument, well then damn!... we might as well just bend over for Big Brother right now. Crawl into the closet and cry. Trade in our guns for Wal-Mart gift certificates and raise the white flag of spineless submission. Lynda, Please don't take my comments as targeting you *personally.* My point is that we are already submitting ourselves to the NWO in many areas, and we continue to do so. The NWO bunch is very clever. They know if you roll tanks and put up concentration camps, the American public would REBEL. But if you slip it in gradually taking say 50-100 years to implement your plan, then the people will stand blindly by. In 1913 we implemented a Central bank in the US, 1917 we implemented income tax, 1944 we subverted ourselves to International finance through the Bretton Woods conference, 1945 was the UN just to name a few things of the early years. In more recent years we have submitted ourselves to GATT and NAFTA and of late the World Court. Now that the EU has their own currency, you can bet that business leaders in the US, Canada, and central.south America will be howling about the competition, about how we need one currency to be competitive etc etc. Guess whats going to happen in the not too distant future..which is exactly what the NWO crowd wants. They are working on a so called "asian" type Union (sister to EU and NAFTA), along with plans for one currency and all that. Guess what, you have just converted the world from many countries and many currencys, to three major blocks and three currencys. Once you have accomplished that converting everybody to ONE currency will not be a big deal, although it will probably take place approx 15-20 years after the last of the major blocks converts to their own currency. Up to this point your assessment is probably right. You did leave out the Mid-East/Africa block which is not following the plan at the moment. The enviro's also use this exact process to accomplish their goals. The Earth First gang (who works closely with the NWO gang) This is a ridiculous statement. If you would have said World wildlife Fund or the Sierra Club, you would have kept some credibility. But Earth First is radically anti corporate. The others are not. Joshua2 -- "And it came to pass that in the last days catatonics roamed the earth, and great monsters ruled the masses." Joshua II DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- It was passed down if you know what I mean. D -Original Message- From: nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, January 23, 1999 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Earth First Group and NWO -Caveat Lector- Daniel Holly wrote: -Caveat Lector- Toto Horowitz might be part mishpocha[sp?nurev?] Seems right to me. Where did you get a Yiddish spell checker? J2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Earth First Group and NWO
-Caveat Lector- You are correct about the NWO creep. If things continue along their present course then most everyone, in the not-too-distant future, will be shouting HEIL GORBACHEV (who I suspect is waiting in the wings to be the Planetary Emperor). I just read Clancey's latest book RAINBOW 6 and it painted a picture of this Earth First group as "terrorists." How does the actions of the Earth First group assist the NWO agenda? ME On Thursday, January 21, 1999 8:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/21/99 11:35:19 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LYNDA'S COMMENT: Robert does have a point, if only to the extent that the NWO in many respects is already here, and has slithered in through the back door while we were watching football and/or masturbating. But if we subscribe to the gist of his argument, well then damn!... we might as well just bend over for Big Brother right now. Crawl into the closet and cry. Trade in our guns for Wal-Mart gift certificates and raise the white flag of spineless submission. Lynda, Please don't take my comments as targeting you *personally.* My point is that we are already submitting ourselves to the NWO in many areas, and we continue to do so. The NWO bunch is very clever. They know if you roll tanks and put up concentration camps, the American public would REBEL. But if you slip it in gradually taking say 50-100 years to implement your plan, then the people will stand blindly by. In 1913 we implemented a Central bank in the US, 1917 we implemented income tax, 1944 we subverted ourselves to International finance through the Bretton Woods conference, 1945 was the UN just to name a few things of the early years. In more recent years we have submitted ourselves to GATT and NAFTA and of late the World Court. Now that the EU has their own currency, you can bet that business leaders in the US, Canada, and central.south America will be howling about the competition, about how we need one currency to be competitive etc etc. Guess whats going to happen in the not too distant future..which is exactly what the NWO crowd wants. They are working on a so called "asian" type Union (sister to EU and NAFTA), along with plans for one currency and all that. Guess what, you have just converted the world from many countries and many currencys, to three major blocks and three currencys. Once you have accomplished that converting everybody to ONE currency will not be a big deal, although it will probably take place approx 15-20 years after the last of the major blocks converts to their own currency. The enviro's also use this exact process to accomplish their goals. The Earth First gang (who works closely with the NWO gang) has come up with plans to have 48 percent of America to be "human free." One of the people was interviewed said that they realized that their goal will not happen in the short term, but in the long term over 25-40 years (2030-2040) they will accomplish their goal.Well you ask, how would they do that, after all the American public would rise up and fight? No they wouldn't because it was done gradually. Years ago I lived in the Mojave Desert in California. My family and I did all the outdoors kind of stuff, and fought like hell to prevent the government from grabbing our land. So called patriots at the time said "well it will never happen here...blah blah blah. I moved away 20 years ago, and within the past 5 years many of the areas I traveled through/on are now fenced off wilderness. The people in Calif fought the battle and lost and have moved on with their lives. Of late people that I know down there say that the land that is actually open for use, is being used so heavily, it is unbelievable. Guess what is going to be closed next, using the justification that the land is being damaged blah blah. The people that peddled the wilderness areas in the first place had the goal of sealing off the entire desert BUT they couldn't do it all at once, so they do it piece meal and get everything they want over a period of 20 years. Our farmers have to submit any trade dispute through NAFTA/GATT. Anytime you ship a "hazardous material", motor oil, hair spray, lube etc, you submit to NWO regulations.When the US shipping regs are changed to the "international" shipping regs, everytime we ship something we are submitting ourselves to the NWO. As long as change comes gradually, people as a whole will not rise up and complain. Speaking of change, what about Hustler being labeled a "news magazine." Thats quite a change from even 5 years ago. While the NWO may indeed be already here to one extent or another, the actual form that it finally takes is far, *FAR* from a foregone conclusion. And furthermore, the form that it finally takes or Tell that to the
Re: [CTRL] Earth First Group and NWO
-Caveat Lector- They don't ... Earth First are cool.The Hurwitz's of the world are the NWO accomplices. D -Original Message- From: Michael Estes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, January 22, 1999 8:50 PM Subject: [CTRL] Earth First Group and NWO -Caveat Lector- You are correct about the NWO creep. If things continue along their present course then most everyone, in the not-too-distant future, will be shouting HEIL GORBACHEV (who I suspect is waiting in the wings to be the Planetary Emperor). I just read Clancey's latest book RAINBOW 6 and it painted a picture of this Earth First group as "terrorists." How does the actions of the Earth First group assist the NWO agenda? ME On Thursday, January 21, 1999 8:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/21/99 11:35:19 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LYNDA'S COMMENT: Robert does have a point, if only to the extent that the NWO in many respects is already here, and has slithered in through the back door while we were watching football and/or masturbating. But if we subscribe to the gist of his argument, well then damn!... we might as well just bend over for Big Brother right now. Crawl into the closet and cry. Trade in our guns for Wal-Mart gift certificates and raise the white flag of spineless submission. Lynda, Please don't take my comments as targeting you *personally.* My point is that we are already submitting ourselves to the NWO in many areas, and we continue to do so. The NWO bunch is very clever. They know if you roll tanks and put up concentration camps, the American public would REBEL. But if you slip it in gradually taking say 50-100 years to implement your plan, then the people will stand blindly by. In 1913 we implemented a Central bank in the US, 1917 we implemented income tax, 1944 we subverted ourselves to International finance through the Bretton Woods conference, 1945 was the UN just to name a few things of the early years. In more recent years we have submitted ourselves to GATT and NAFTA and of late the World Court. Now that the EU has their own currency, you can bet that business leaders in the US, Canada, and central.south America will be howling about the competition, about how we need one currency to be competitive etc etc. Guess whats going to happen in the not too distant future..which is exactly what the NWO crowd wants. They are working on a so called "asian" type Union (sister to EU and NAFTA), along with plans for one currency and all that. Guess what, you have just converted the world from many countries and many currencys, to three major blocks and three currencys. Once you have accomplished that converting everybody to ONE currency will not be a big deal, although it will probably take place approx 15-20 years after the last of the major blocks converts to their own currency. The enviro's also use this exact process to accomplish their goals. The Earth First gang (who works closely with the NWO gang) has come up with plans to have 48 percent of America to be "human free." One of the people was interviewed said that they realized that their goal will not happen in the short term, but in the long term over 25-40 years (2030-2040) they will accomplish their goal.Well you ask, how would they do that, after all the American public would rise up and fight? No they wouldn't because it was done gradually. Years ago I lived in the Mojave Desert in California. My family and I did all the outdoors kind of stuff, and fought like hell to prevent the government from grabbing our land. So called patriots at the time said "well it will never happen here...blah blah blah. I moved away 20 years ago, and within the past 5 years many of the areas I traveled through/on are now fenced off wilderness. The people in Calif fought the battle and lost and have moved on with their lives. Of late people that I know down there say that the land that is actually open for use, is being used so heavily, it is unbelievable. Guess what is going to be closed next, using the justification that the land is being damaged blah blah. The people that peddled the wilderness areas in the first place had the goal of sealing off the entire desert BUT they couldn't do it all at once, so they do it piece meal and get everything they want over a period of 20 years. Our farmers have to submit any trade dispute through NAFTA/GATT. Anytime you ship a "hazardous material", motor oil, hair spray, lube etc, you submit to NWO regulations.When the US shipping regs are changed to the "international" shipping regs, everytime we ship something we are submitting ourselves to the NWO. As long as change comes gradually, people as a whole will not rise up and co
