Re: [CTRL] Europeans view Bush as a thief who has brought shame on America
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 03/02/2001 2:33:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No wonder they love Clinton. The mystery is why they would not like Bush. It is amazing. The Bush family have three generations of contact with the Europeans. Of course we don't know how their history books read. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Europeans view Bush as a thief who has brought shame on America
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] Europeans view Bush as a thief who has brought shame on America By Linda Stout Deak WASSENAAR, The Netherlands, Feb. 27, 2000. Ha Ha. Please tell me this is indeed a satirical post. However this is unfair humor. Such pompous, sanctimoniousness from the land of Stalin and Hitler (Bosnia / Kosovo) is too easy a target. It seems when the Europeans are not killing each other by the millions, or colonizing (aka "ripping off") the rest of the world, they spend their time wallowing in their delusional self perception of superiorty. No wonder they love Clinton. The mystery is why they would not like Bush. flw A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Europeans view Bush as a thief who has brought shame on America
-Caveat Lector- In article 021b01c0a34e$b8d642c0$543829cf@flw, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Europeans view Bush as a thief who has brought shame on America By Linda Stout Deak WASSENAAR, The Netherlands, Feb. 27, 2000. Ha Ha. Please tell me this is indeed a satirical post. However this is unfair humor. Such pompous, sanctimoniousness from the land of Stalin and Hitler (Bosnia / Kosovo) is too easy a target. It seems when the Europeans are not killing each other by the millions, or colonizing (aka "ripping off") the rest of the world, they spend their time wallowing in their delusional self perception of superiorty. No wonder they love Clinton. The mystery is why they would not like Bush. flw As British and a European I certainly did not think that the ladies post was satirical.. She certainly put a certain European perspective into focus. Some Americans may think that such views are superior but such a view is somewhat nieve. The lady also seemed to be a supporter of Clinton and she does seem to picking up on that the consensus view of Clinton in Europe as more favourable than that attributed to Bush. Wilde's quip that Americans went from Barbarity to Decadence without the intervening step of Civilisation is perhaps becoming more and more apt. For me the real point of what was being said was about the spiritual malaise that is afflicting Western civilisation, perhaps most noticeable in America but certainly also affecting the other Western 'democracies'. Indeed with the advent of globalisation and rampant capitalism the concept of 'democracy' is really a sham. The political system that sits best with the economic system of capitalism is fascism and that really is what the big political question is all about.. We have fascism masquerading as 'democracy'. People have less and less say in what they do. The illusion that it is somehow otherwise is wearing very thin. As Orwell points out, the 'Inner Party' always rules, it is just that they are perhaps becoming a bit sloppy or over-confident. === J. Burns A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Europeans view Bush as a thief who has brought shame on America
-Caveat Lector- From: alt.activism Europeans view Bush as a thief who has brought shame on America By Linda Stout Deak WASSENAAR, The Netherlands, Feb. 27, 2000. ?When Condoleeza Rice, Bush's National Security Advisor appointee, took her place at the microphone in those numbing first days after the coup d'tat, she called herself a Europeanist. What is that? I wondered if she played the piano in Europe. I believe she meant that her studies had focused on Europe and she considered herself an expert on Europe. I am American living abroad. Both sides of my family are deeply rooted in America and I have lived in nine states. I love America. I am married to a Canadian who is also a European. I have lived in Europe twice, a total of fourteen years and I have lived in Canada once for five years. Our sons have been educated in European and Canadian schools. I have many European friends, family members, acquaintances and contacts. The Europeans, as do the Canadians, teach me a lot about how America is perceived from the outside. It is surprising to a friendly, open, swashbuckling American to feel the contempt that so many others feel for us. I think you have to be on the outside of the country to understand what I am referring to here. The Canadians let me know shortly after I landed there, that I was not to consider myself a Canadian. After some years I understood why. They had always been kind of folded into America in most American minds. Many Americans view Canada in the same way they view California as a state, but one that is different, set apart. I grew to love Canada. They seemed to have the best of both Europe and the U.S. with the American sense of vastness and possibility and the European sense of social responsibility. Americans have a very limited notion or regard for world history and geography. The outsiders consider us dumb. Oh sure, we have our technology and bravado and friendly service, but most of us cannot separate the Balkans from the Baltics or Palma from Palermo. Is Jakarta close to Madagascar? I daresay, in the shrinking world, we have done ourselves a disservice. The media's dumb-down has not been very helpful either. When I first resettled in Europe twelve years ago, I began language classes. I was the only American in my class. Each of us was from a different country. I sunk quickly to the bottom of the class. The others were learning their third or fourth language. I was a hopeless beginner. They were kind to me and helped me along with cheerful encouragement. Our topics of conversation were eye opening as I learned how very differently we perceived an issue or an event, coming from different cultures. When the teacher put the topic of "Do you consider the Dutch to be dirty?" forward, I was stunned at how the entire group turned to me with real anger about the excesses of the Americans in this regard. Did I understand how much of the world's resources we use and how unnecessary daily showers are? And, Why do we do that? And, What was I going to do about that? Gradually, I became good friends with more than a few Europeans and I came to understand and respect the differences. In friendship, one becomes privy to inner thoughts and foibles. Just as Americans experience the Americanization of newcomers to our country, this new culture began to seep into me. When I go to a tourist magnet, like Lago Maggiore or Paris or Bruges, I notice the Americans who usually huddle against the foreignness of their strange environment. The glories of Rome go unnoticed if ice is unavailable for the Diet Coke. They are often full of complaints that the place is not America and they make matters worse by demanding that it cater specifically to their American idea of how things should be. There is a very real difference in attitude to money and the Americans cannot believe that profit doesn't hold the same motivational internal whir. The Europeans believe it is crass to flaunt wealth. It takes a while to pick up on the nuances of culture. In contrast, the Europeans are very aware of America and probably even speak our language. The balance is off because of this. We still condescend to all cultures as if they were lesser, and it does not make us very likeable. My European friends and contacts, almost to the man, were in support of Al Gore winning this election. I have asked more than a few of my friends who are located in other parts of Europe and they report the same phenomena. I do know that straw polls gave Bush and Ralph Nader each seven percent. Most of the Bush-supporter spottings have been in England. England is not really full-heartedly a supporter of the European Union and their ties to America have always been special. Shortly after the Revolution ended, the British shook hands and got back to the business of trading and envoying with our country. The Atlantic Ocean, for them, has often been narrower
