-Caveat Lector-
Well, I just read your rebuttal. Such as it is.
If your intent was to convince that this story
is a Mossad hangout, and untrue, you didn't convince
me. As a matter of fact, you seem to corroborate the
basic points.
I wasn't sure as to the validity of the original story,
but you sure helped firm it up. Even if that was not
your intent.
Keep your day jobs.
J2
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Subject:
Re: [FreePalestine] Re: [Spy News] Syria was behind killings at
Sabra and Chatilla.
Date:
Mon, 26 Feb 2001 02:41:08 +0100
From:
"INTELINK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
VERY RIGHT !!!
SYRIA WAS BEHIND KILLINGS AT SABRA AND CHATILLA
This operation was mounted by the SECOND DESK of syrian secret services and
the "MAKTAB el-KHAS", who are attached to the ministry of interior. They
where, and they still, specialy mounted and trained for psycological
operations and underground killing activities.
Ali Dhadha WAS the boss of 2nd DESK and still now in the Syrian head of
Secret Service.
He was the brain of this operation to destabilize ISRAEL.
THIS IS THE THUE !!!!
SHARON was NEVER implicated in those masacres.
Jean-Paul NEY
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Mashney wrote:
>
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 1:37 AM
> Subject: [FreePalestine] Re: [Spy News] Syria was behind killings at
> Sabra and Chatilla.
>
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mashney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Dear Nurev Ind Research,
> > >
> > > It seems that you need to do more research since the article below
> is a carefully planted Zionist-disguised-as-Lebanese wash designed to
> clean the blood-dripping butcher image of the true perpetrator of the
> massacres, the newly-elected prime Minster of the so-called "only
> democracy in the Middle East."
> > >
> > > BTW, the name "Frias" (below) is not Lebanese. Did you mean to
> write Firas or Faris? Take a pick :-)
> >
> > tony:
> > sami, all- this article is even worse than how you describe it.
> please scroll down for my reply.
>
> > > Sami B. Mashney
> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >
> > > From: "Nurev Ind Research" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 11:33 AM
> > > Subject: [Spy News] Syria was behind killings at Sabra and
> Chatilla.
> > >
> > > Subject: Syria was behind killings at Sabra and Chatilla.
> > > Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 03:26:48 -0700 (PDT)
> > > From: Frias ED <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > Syria was behind it 100 percent. New info shows it
> > >
> > > An LFP Exclusive
> > > (Lebanese Foundation for Peace)
> > > Direct Submission
> > > The Truth Behind
> > > Source: A retired Lebanese intelligence officer who is willing to
> > > testify at a trial of Elias Hobeika, if it takes place at an
> > > international court.
> >
> > tony:
> > of course, the name of this "Lebanese intelligence officer" is not
> provided. maybe he is shy by nature.
> >
> > > Perceived as the driving force in the murders at Sabra and
> Chatilla,
> > > General "Arik" Sharon has been condemned and discarded by accepted
> > > history.
> >
> > tony:
> > no. by an ISRAELI inquiry comission.
> >
> > No matter that he is now the leader of the Likud party in
> > > Israel, no matter that he is the hero of manycampaigns that
> > preserved Israel in the face of overwhelming odds, history's
> perception
> > destroys his viability as deserving of the highest office of
> theland.
> > The truth is that the massacre did indeed happen;
> >
> > tony:
> > all kneel in owe for the carrier of the "truth"
> >
> > however, the perpetrator's were neither Israeli nor Lebanese rioters
> as reported.
> >
> > tony:
> > they were not "lebanese rioters". they were members of a fascist
> > political organization, and they were high on cocaine.
> >
> > The entire operation was masterminded by Syrian intelligence, as
> reported by a
> > > number of witnesses, and was carried out ruthlessly and
> efficiently
> > by a Lebanese stooge of Syria named Elias Hobeika.
> >
> > tony:
> > what "witnesses"? how did they witness the syrian intelligence
> > mastermind the operation?
> > elias hobeiqa only aquired his "stooge" status in the late 80's,
> > after the tri-party agreement (al ittifaq al thoulathy) between the
> > lebanese forces, amal, and the jumblattis. the accord was aborted
> > when an uprising against hobeiqa took place in east beirut; it was
> > organized by samir geagea, who later became the "leader maximo".
> > furthermore, during the 1982 israeli invasion, the syrian army in
> > beirut was the first to leave; the city was succesfuly defended by a
> > coalition of left wing parties and palestinian organizations.
> >
> > > The most comprehensive source of published information is by the
> > body guard of Hobeika: Robert Hatem nicknamed Cobra. Hatem wrote a
> diary
> > of events leading up to and past the massacres that is available on
> the
> > > internet at: http://www.israeltodamascus.com/.
> > >
> > > The book is banned in Lebanon, and many of the participants are
> > still active in Lebanese politics. Hatem is a political refugee
> hiding in
> > > France.
> >
> > tony:
> > hatem is as foul as his previous boss. i've read the book, very
> > spectacualr and filled with hobeiqa's sexual conquests, but i don't
> > remember anything mentionned of the syrian responsability of the
> 1982
> > massacres. THEY WERE NOT THERE IN 1982!
> >
> > Hatem writes that Hobeika spoke of two thousand Palestinian
> > > terrorists hiding in the Palestinian refugee camps, the Israelis
> had
> > > asked Hobeika to rid the camps of the terrorists, and the Israeli
> > > forces expected them to supervise the Palestinian evacuation from
> > the camps. Their specific orders were to sort out the armed
> terrorists
> > and hand them over to the Israelis. Hobeika was under strict orders
> by Sharon to act as a dignified, armed force and not resort to any
> unnecessary violence. Hobeika, a known Syrian agent,
> >
> > tony:
> > apparently, he was not "known" to be an agent by Sharon. does that
> > mean that the syrian intelligence is better than the Mossad? this is
> > cool, i'll write an e-mail later and i'll pretend to be the queen of
> > england. i bet it'll work.
> >
> > ignored Sharon's orders and gave his
> > > own command: "total extermination, camps to be wiped out."
> > > When Hobeika spoke to Sharon, Sharon was infuriated and condemned
> > > Hobeika for murder, and wanton killings. Hatem reports that"All
> the
> > > victims were civilians killed with grenades, hatchets, assault
> > rifles, and knives. Some of the corpses were even boobie- trapped."
> "General
> > > Sharon ordered his men to fire flares from that moment on until
> 400
> > > a.m. to avoid further killings but it was too late. The harm was
> done."
> >
> > tony:
> > this is how you avoid further killings: you light the way for the
> > murderers, and you block the way out for the people being murdered.
> > works every time.
> > the "report" fails to mention that the killings lasted for days.
> >
> > > One witness, a Lebanese dissident, is easy to dismiss as a
> > malcontent, irrelevant and without credibility, yet after all these
> years we now
> > > find substantiating evidence, credible evidence, and directly from
> > the Palestinians and others. The Voice of Palestine (Official
> Palestinian
> > > Radio Station), September 15,2000, reported that Brigadier General
> > > Sultan Abu-al- Aynayn, official in charge of the Fatah Movement in
> > > Lebanon, deplored the non-trial and non-questioning of Hobeika for
> > the innocent blood that was spilled in the two refugee camps.
> >
> > tony:
> > and this is an evidence of what? hobeiqa IS responsible for the
> > massacre. but he was working for the israelis then. in fact he is
> the
> > closest thing to a whore: selling his services for the highest
> bidder.
> >
> > >
> > > Another source is Agence France Presse whose article "Massacre of
> > > Palestinians at refugee camps remembered," was reported in the
> > Jordan Times September 17,00. The story included the
> following"BEIRUT (AFP)
> > > Palestinians and Lebanese commemorated the 18th anniversary on
> Saturday of the massacre of
> > 1,500 Palestinians at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in Beirut.
> > > Relatives of the victims point an accusing finger at Elie Hobeika,
> now
> > > an outgoing pro-Syrian member of parliament who was then the
> > > intelligence chief for the Lebanese forces. He denies all
> responsibility for the massacre."
> >
> > tony:
> > again, irrelevant. the report did not prove how the syrians were
> > involved, and how sharon was not.
> > hobeiqa should indeed be put on trial; in an TV interview a few
> > months ago (before the elections) he talked of the massacres,
> putting
> > down the event ("it was war", etc) without even blinking. he is a
> > murderer and a piece of filth. his "alliance" with the syrian
> > baathists only proves how cynical these people are; the syrians
> > consider hobeiqa to be one of their "christian" allies- and he is as
> > christian as sharon is a jew. murderers, all of them.
> > in addition to this, hobeiqa was allied to hizballah in the 2000
> > elections- rumors say that ghazy kanaan promised him the lebanese
> > presidency! the hizballah/hobeiqa alliance was heavily defeated by
> an
> > anti-syrian coalition, led by walid jumblatt.
> >
> > > Yasir Arafat continues the charade, carefully omitting the Syrian
> > > responsibility for the massacre.
> > >
> > > In spite of overwhelming evidence that Sharon was not in any way
> > > responsible for the massacre, indeed, the present Syrian
> controlled
> > > Lebanese government is at fault, the controlled Lebanese press
> > > persists in its fable of faulting Sharon, as they are well aware
> > that if charges of guilt are leveled at Hobeika, it would infuriate
> Syria
> > > for Hobeika is "protected," well known as Syria's protegé, and any
> charges against Hobeika would
> > > implicate Syria. Additionally, a number of Lebanese papers
> manipulated
> > > by Syrian intelligence have ignored the entire event and all the
> sordid events leading up to the killings.
> >
> > tony:
> > this is crap in its purest state.
> >
> > >
> > > There is a direct, power struggle between PLO and Syrian proxies
> on
> > > the ground, involving control of Lebanese territory and control
> over
> > > the ruling elite in Lebanon.
> >
> > tony:
> > now? that is obscene! lebanon is solely controlled by syria since
> > 1990 (the Taef accord and "desert storm").
> >
> > [...]
> > >
> > > A few years later, Syria's proxy's, the SNSP militia in Bohsas in
> > > northern Lebanon, and the Lebanese Baath units of Ali Eid, backed
> by
> > > the Syrian Special Forces, easily defeated Arafat's PLO in
> Tripoli,
> > > Northern Lebanon, and hundreds of PLO members were slaughtered and
> > > shot on the walls of the city. Arafat and his men were saved and
> by
> > > boats returned to Tunis. This was not done to assist Israel.
> The sole objective of
> > > Syria was to throughly take control of all of Lebanon, and the
> Sabra
> > > and Chatilla massacres were only a chapter in a long history of
> > Syrian massacres. Finally, Syria rewarded all the
> > > leaders of the massacres by elevating their status from militia
> > > leaders to that of deputy or minister in later Lebanese
> governments.
> > > Their political approach was always to use the Palestinians masses
> > in Lebanon as a force to pressure Israel in every peace negotiation.
> > > Also remember, at this time, Assad just killed 22,000 of his own
> > > people in Hama Syria
> >
> > tony:
> > the number is 40000 according to michel seurat. there is no question
> > that after 1982, the syrian baathists commited numerous crimes
> > against the palestinian people, culminating in the seige and savage
> > bombardments of shatila and sabra (carried out by amal- which then
> > included hizballah). that seige practically destroyed all of
> shatila,
> > which is now still destroyed. another crime is the constant
> > underminig of the palestinian leadership, by creating irrelevant
> > organizations which are very loud (in the latest arab foreign
> > ministers summit, farouq al sharaa, the syrian foreign minister,
> > insisted that the word "PLO" be striken from all official statements
> > of solidarity). one of the palestinian and lebanese misfortunes is
> being stuck
> > between 2 countries each posessing an "imperial" project, and 2
> > criminal idelogies: zionism and baathism.
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