Re: [CTRL] Fw: Smokers Fired
-Caveat Lector- To be quite honest. I'm tired of having to breath that stuff. It happens numerous times when I'm walking out to my car or just anywhere outside... Smoking shouldn't be illegal. But it shouldn't be done in public where others have breath it. If you want to commit a slow suicide by all means do it. But I'm not following you. Jamie -Original Message- From: Kathleen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 4:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Smokers Fired -Caveat Lector- On 11 Oct 99, at 15:16, Stopforth, Jamie wrote: -Caveat Lector- Good, get rid of the smokers. We'd be better off to get rid of the busybodies and bigots who want to control what people do on their own time to their own bodies. The difference between your statement and that of good German citizens who said "Good, get rid of the Jews" is only one of degree. "Every reform is only a mask under cover of which a more terrible reform, which dares not name itself, advances." - Ralph Waldo Emerson DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Smokers Fired
-Caveat Lector- And then let's get rid of recreational drinkers. Alcohol is far more harmful than tobacco and is implicated in most crimes of violence. Make possession of a beer a felony, or if that is deemed too severe, just tax alcohol until a sixpack costs consumers $29.99 ... As a matter of fact, it's been proven that alcohol in and of itself isn't bad and could actually be good for the liver if not abused... But who doesn't abuse it right? I don't believe smoking any kind of tobacco has this attribute. Smoke a little and it's good for you... Nope. All smoking of tobacco is bad. So you see, it's not the alcohol that's bad it's the person with a lack of responsibility who abuses it. We all know the ramifications of drinking to much... It's not like a drunk driver can say, "Well golly gee! I didn't know that would happen!" Back to smoking in public... It shouldn't be done where it can affect others. And about this second hand smoke stuff... If smoking through a cigarette with a filter is detrimental to your health then why would smoke not passing through the filter not be detrimental? It's common sense that second hand smoke is just as bad, if not worse. We all have rights in this country, and one of those rights is to not have our rights infringed upon. You know, like good health. I agree my first statement was rather blunt. But this email came after I had to walking through a wall of smoke **outside**... It was my frustration talking at that point. I guess smelling like an ashtray isn't that bad. Jamie DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Smokers Fired
-Caveat Lector- Amen, Jamie. I am a former smoker who now suffers from chronic lung disease (pulmonary sarcoidosis). Bluntly, other people's smoke makes me cough, and enough of it can make it difficult for me to breathe. Whenever I enter or leave an office building nowadays, I have to (literally) hold my breath to keep from inhaling the smoke from the addicts clustered around the doorway. Should smoking be illegal? Perhaps not. It's *your* life, after all... Just remember one thing: "Cancer cures smoking." -Original Message- From: Stopforth, Jamie [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 8:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Smokers Fired -Caveat Lector- To be quite honest. I'm tired of having to breath that stuff. It happens numerous times when I'm walking out to my car or just anywhere outside... Smoking shouldn't be illegal. But it shouldn't be done in public where others have breath it. If you want to commit a slow suicide by all means do it. But I'm not following you. Jamie DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Smokers Fired
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Tatman, Robert wrote: Amen, Jamie. I am a former smoker who now suffers from chronic lung disease (pulmonary sarcoidosis). Bluntly, other people's smoke makes me cough, and enough of it can make it difficult for me to breathe. Same here. Any form of smoke, even from a fireplace or barbecue, makes me ill, since I'm allergic to smoke, period. It isn't a matter of 'liking' or 'disliking', beyond the fact that I like to be well and dislike being ill... Whenever I enter or leave an office building nowadays, I have to (literally) hold my breath to keep from inhaling the smoke from the addicts clustered around the doorway. Some places have passed laws prohibiting smoking within between 60 to 100 feet of an entrance to a public building Should smoking be illegal? Perhaps not. It's *your* life, after all... Just remember one thing: "Cancer cures smoking." I think it should return to the way it was pre-WWII, when smokers routinely asked 'do you mind if I smoke?' (and would gladly NOT smoke if someone objected), and separate smoking areas were established for those who needed a puffseparate smoking rooms in public buildings and most private residences, separate smoking cars on trains And before WWII, smoking in the office was NOT a routine practice June ;-) *===* If we listened to our intellect, we'd never have a love affair. We'd never have a friendship. We'd never go into business, because we'd be cynical. Well, that's nonsense. You've got to jump off cliffs all the time and build your wings on the way down. ---Ray Bradbury *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Smokers Fired
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-10-11 15:37:27 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: INTERESTING QUOTE: "...the Florida Supreme Court upheld the rule. The court said lower insurance costs outweighed the privacy issue." -- Source: Palm Beach Post http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/saturday/new s_2.html Boca may stub out smokers By Monika Gonzalez, Palm Beach Post Staff Writer Saturday, October 9, 1999 BOCA RATON -- Marlboro men need not apply. The city is aiming to ban the hiring of smokers for all jobs, and new employees caught smoking on or off duty would be fired. The anti-smoking rule -- already in effect for about 700 city employees through union contracts for police, firefighters and blue-collar workers -- is expanded to all 1,100-odd employees in revamped personnel policies to be reviewed by city council members If "lower insurance costs" is the bottom line, wouldn't it be as cost-effective for employers to fire all employees who are over the age of 40, or in poor health? More and more I suspect that the Yuppie mentality will bring back "eugenics" ... DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Smokers Fired
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-10-11 16:20:30 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good, get rid of the smokers. And then let's get rid of recreational drinkers. Alcohol is far more harmful than tobacco and is implicated in most crimes of violence. Make possession of a beer a felony, or if that is deemed too severe, just tax alcohol until a sixpack costs consumers $29.99 ... DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Smokers Fired
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/12/99 3:57:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If "lower insurance costs" is the bottom line, wouldn't it be as cost-effective for employers to fire all employees who are over the age of 40, or in poor health? More and more I suspect that the Yuppie mentality will bring back "eugenics" ... Oh, yes. I should have stated the same thing. It seems to be the logical end to all of this, and fits in with the "modern", and "scientific" reasoning that abounds today, and that is that all things can be fixed genetically, GM foods, designer babies, treating disease with Gene Therapy, how long until we hear the old mantra that it is "best" that those of "inferior" genetics are done away with or at least relegated to non-personhood? non-personhood? * "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity, and it is not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but someday the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu" DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Smokers Fired
-Caveat Lector-
Effectively, many corporations are already firing ('scuse me,
"terminating"--let's keep our jargon straight) employees over 40. This is
particularly true in the high-tech industries, but the tendency has
definitely spread to other areas... BTW, yr obed't serv't is 52.
And eugenics is *here* already. Indeed, it never left, just went
underground, into the "ethical" drug industry and biochemical research. The
current research on gene therapy is nothing more nor less than an attempt to
retroactively correct genetic flaws. It is just as much eugenics as the
controlled breeding programs of Himmler's Lebensborn, because the therapy is
designed to change the genetic makeup of the individual in a way that will
carry over to the next generation and beyond. What the State could not
accomplish by force of law, the Market will accomplish by dint of the profit
motive...
-Original Message-
From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 3:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Smokers Fired
-Caveat Lector-
snip
If "lower insurance costs" is the bottom line, wouldn't it be as
cost-effective for employers to fire all employees who are over the age of
40, or in poor health?
More and more I suspect that the Yuppie mentality will bring back
"eugenics"
...
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[CTRL] Fw: Smokers Fired
-Caveat Lector- -- INTERESTING QUOTE: "...the Florida Supreme Court upheld the rule. The court said the lower insurance costs outweighed the privacy issue." -- Source: Palm Beach Post http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/saturday/new s_2.h tml Boca may stub out smokers By Monika Gonzalez, Palm Beach Post Staff Writer Saturday, October 9, 1999 BOCA RATON -- Marlboro men need not apply. The city is aiming to ban the hiring of smokers for all jobs, and new employees caught smoking on or off duty would be fired. The anti-smoking rule -- already in effect for about 700 city employees through union contracts for police, firefighters and blue-collar workers -- is expanded to all 1,100-odd employees in revamped personnel policies to be reviewed by city council members Tuesday. Smoking is already off-limits in Boca Raton government buildings and one city park, but the new rule would extend into an employee's home and entire life. Workers already on the payroll may continue to smoke on their free time. As may council members: Mayor Carol Hanson is a longtime smoker, and at least two other council members smoke occasionally. Officials are proposing the citywide ban because fewer smokers means lower health insurance premiums for all employees. While such a measure is not common among municipal governments, it is practiced in several cities including Coral Gables, North Miami and Clinton, Iowa. The American Civil Liberties Union contested the no-more-smokers rule in North Miami as a violation of state privacy laws, but the Florida Supreme Court upheld the rule. The court said the lower insurance costs outweighed the privacy issue. "The ACLU's position is that it's improper for the government to punish people for a perfectly legal activity conducted in the privacy of their own home," said Andy Kayton, legal director of the ACLU of Florida. "Where does the line get drawn when you're talking about legal activities?" Jackie Miller of St. Petersburg, president of Florida's Smokers' Rights Association, agreed: "I don't think it has any bearing on how a person does their job. It's an outrageous idea." Kayton said the policy opens the door to ban people who have consumed alcohol, are overweight, had unprotected sex or even ate red meat in the last year. Although it may sound farfetched, newspaper reports show one city -- Athens, Ga., contemplated banning applicants with high cholesterol. Boca Raton police officer and union President Rick Barnett said the no-smokers policy is for the best in the long run, but it does limit the pool of applicants. Boca Raton lost a good police officer because of the ban, Barnett said. An experienced officer left the department to work at a private business and later returned to town and reapplied. But because he had smoked a cigar at a function, he wasn't eligible because he had not been smoke-free for a year. The expanded rule to be considered Tuesday doesn't say how long new hires must be smoke-free. "We would love to see a number of places become smoke-free because it would protect people from . . . second-hand smoke," said Sonja Bradwell, a program specialist with the state Department of Health office. But she said the hiring policy seems drastic. "To me, it sounds like it could be a case of discrimination." Boca Raton Councilwomen Wanda Thayer and Susan Whelchel said Friday they support the idea. "It's probably a prudent step," Whelchel said. "Does that make smokers happy? Probably not. It's like saying I can't hire you if you don't type. Then don't apply." Staff researchers Dorothy Shea and Nicole Puccinelli Ortega contributed to this report. [EMAIL PROTECTED] This country needs more unemployed politicians. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Smokers Fired
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-10-11 15:37:27 EDT, you write: Can you imagine how loud they would scream if male homosexuals were denied employment because they stand a better chance of getting AIDS? The expanded rule to be considered Tuesday doesn't say how long new hires must be smoke-free. Maybe they should make a rule that management has to be stupid-free for a certain amount of time. "We would love to see a number of places become smoke-free because it would protect people from . . . second-hand smoke," said Sonja Bradwell, a program specialist with the state Department of Health office. But she said the hiring policy seems drastic. "To me, it sounds like it could be a case of discrimination." The report that stated second-hand smoke is so dangerous was proven to be full of lies, falsehoods and used unscientific methods, but they don't want to run another study because they already have the results they wanted. "It's probably a prudent step," Whelchel said. "Does that make smokers happy? Probably not. It's like saying I can't hire you if you don't type. Then don't apply." Bad analogy, it is more like if you drink coffee you need not apply. Someone needs to slap some sense into this person ... but then again if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the "truth." Regards, Bob (if they tell me I can't smoke they better do it with the business end of a gun) Stokes DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Smokers Fired
-Caveat Lector- Good, get rid of the smokers. -Original Message- From: Kathleen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 2:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Fw: Smokers Fired -Caveat Lector- -- INTERESTING QUOTE: "...the Florida Supreme Court upheld the rule. The court said the lower insurance costs outweighed the privacy issue." -- Source: Palm Beach Post http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/saturday/new s_2.h tml Boca may stub out smokers By Monika Gonzalez, Palm Beach Post Staff Writer Saturday, October 9, 1999 BOCA RATON -- Marlboro men need not apply. The city is aiming to ban the hiring of smokers for all jobs, and new employees caught smoking on or off duty would be fired. The anti-smoking rule -- already in effect for about 700 city employees through union contracts for police, firefighters and blue-collar workers -- is expanded to all 1,100-odd employees in revamped personnel policies to be reviewed by city council members Tuesday. Smoking is already off-limits in Boca Raton government buildings and one city park, but the new rule would extend into an employee's home and entire life. Workers already on the payroll may continue to smoke on their free time. As may council members: Mayor Carol Hanson is a longtime smoker, and at least two other council members smoke occasionally. Officials are proposing the citywide ban because fewer smokers means lower health insurance premiums for all employees. While such a measure is not common among municipal governments, it is practiced in several cities including Coral Gables, North Miami and Clinton, Iowa. The American Civil Liberties Union contested the no-more-smokers rule in North Miami as a violation of state privacy laws, but the Florida Supreme Court upheld the rule. The court said the lower insurance costs outweighed the privacy issue. "The ACLU's position is that it's improper for the government to punish people for a perfectly legal activity conducted in the privacy of their own home," said Andy Kayton, legal director of the ACLU of Florida. "Where does the line get drawn when you're talking about legal activities?" Jackie Miller of St. Petersburg, president of Florida's Smokers' Rights Association, agreed: "I don't think it has any bearing on how a person does their job. It's an outrageous idea." Kayton said the policy opens the door to ban people who have consumed alcohol, are overweight, had unprotected sex or even ate red meat in the last year. Although it may sound farfetched, newspaper reports show one city -- Athens, Ga., contemplated banning applicants with high cholesterol. Boca Raton police officer and union President Rick Barnett said the no-smokers policy is for the best in the long run, but it does limit the pool of applicants. Boca Raton lost a good police officer because of the ban, Barnett said. An experienced officer left the department to work at a private business and later returned to town and reapplied. But because he had smoked a cigar at a function, he wasn't eligible because he had not been smoke-free for a year. The expanded rule to be considered Tuesday doesn't say how long new hires must be smoke-free. "We would love to see a number of places become smoke-free because it would protect people from . . . second-hand smoke," said Sonja Bradwell, a program specialist with the state Department of Health office. But she said the hiring policy seems drastic. "To me, it sounds like it could be a case of discrimination." Boca Raton Councilwomen Wanda Thayer and Susan Whelchel said Friday they support the idea. "It's probably a prudent step," Whelchel said. "Does that make smokers happy? Probably not. It's like saying I can't hire you if you don't type. Then don't apply." Staff researchers Dorothy Shea and Nicole Puccinelli Ortega contributed to this report. [EMAIL PROTECTED] This country needs more unemployed politicians. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ =
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Smokers Fired
-Caveat Lector- On 11 Oct 99, at 15:16, Stopforth, Jamie wrote: -Caveat Lector- Good, get rid of the smokers. We'd be better off to get rid of the busybodies and bigots who want to control what people do on their own time to their own bodies. The difference between your statement and that of good German citizens who said "Good, get rid of the Jews" is only one of degree. "Every reform is only a mask under cover of which a more terrible reform, which dares not name itself, advances." - Ralph Waldo Emerson DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Smokers Fired
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/11/1999 3:32:09 PM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We'd be better off to get rid of the busybodies and bigots who want to control what people do on their own time to their own bodies. The difference between your statement and that of good German citizens who said "Good, get rid of the Jews" is only one of degree. "Every reform is only a mask under cover of which a more terrible reform, which dares not name itself, advances." - Ralph Waldo Emerson Better yet, why don't we have all those we suspect of ingesting a high fat content in their diet followed and prosecuted? A bad diet contributes to ALL kinds of disease and makes MY insurance rates go up! We'll just develop The Fast Food Intelligence Agency. Yeah, we'll develop monitors to be worn on the skin that sound an alarm when the fat intake exceeds 30 grams in one day! Anything to keep those insurance premiums down.. Smokers can play this game, too. Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Smokers Fired
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/11/99 5:32:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 11 Oct 99, at 15:16, Stopforth, Jamie wrote: -Caveat Lector- Good, get rid of the smokers. We'd be better off to get rid of the busybodies and bigots who want to control what people do on their own time to their own bodies. The difference between your statement and that of good German citizens who said "Good, get rid of the Jews" is only one of degree. "Every reform is only a mask under cover of which a more terrible reform, which dares not name itself, advances." - Ralph Waldo Emerson Indeed, it is the supreme control mechanism which states what one can do with ones own self. This, of course includes behavior that is damaging to oneself, and maybe even fatal. I don't recommend putting a gun to your head and pulling the trigger, BUT if that is what you want to do, and in the process you don't hurt anyone else or cause damage to other peoples property, then it is your right to do it, IMO. The analogies presented in the article are entirely accurate where they state where this is about to go, no red meat, no dangerous sex, no coffee, you MUST exercise a certain amount of time each day, no cookies, no driving, etc. It is one more example of ridiculous thinking, and should be cause for concern even for those adamantly opposed to smoking, since in the end they WILL be affected by much the same thing, whether they realize it now or not. not. * "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity, and it is not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but someday the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu" DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
