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-Caveat Lector- --- Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Critics Blast Bush Order on Papers ...the executive order violates the spirit of the 1978 Presidential Records Act and will usher in a new era of secrecy for papers left behind by America's chief executives. _ Nakano comments: First, consider the timing of this. We are in the middle of a National Emergency. The country is still suffering from the shock of the events of 911we have Anthrax in the US Mail... we have National Guardsmen with rifles in our airports...we have terrorist threats to blow up bridges...we have the Government announced Higher Alerts every 3 or 4 days! And with all of this happening, George W. Bush takes time out to issue this very unusual Executive Order. It must be extremely important to come at this particular moment. Perhaps Bush picked this moment, because his approval ratings are so high he thinks he can get anything he wants. Perhaps this moment was chosen because the attention of the entire country is focused on the aftermath of 911. Whatever his reason, this Executive Order violates the entire concept of government for the people. This is a blatant public admission that our president wants the legal power to secretly use the power of his High Office in ways the People will never know about. This is also a statement that the President of The United States of America doesn't trust the American People. Why should he? The American People did not elect him. Nakano __ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [ctrl] Critics Blast Bush Order on Papers
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/4/01 7:07:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And with all of this happening, George W. Bush takes time out to issue this very unusual Executive Order. It must be extremely important to come at this particular moment. Perhaps Bush picked this moment, because his approval ratings are so high he thinks he can get anything he wants. Perhaps this moment was chosen because the attention of the entire country is focused on the aftermath of 911. Whatever his reason, this Executive Order violates the entire concept of government for the people. We have to stand back, look at this issue and think the concept through. Just what it is that Bush is trying to hide? What damaging revelation is in the papers of his predecessors to hide? Or is this a smoke and mirrors trick to take our attention away from revelations in his current papers? Something is wrong here. Very wrong. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [ctrl] Critics Blast Bush Order on Papers
-Caveat Lector- Consider too the Mossad and KGB pushing into the innter circle - infiltrating the FBI, CIA and sent in their whores to bring down Condit and Clinton which was not that hard of a job for they know the weakness in any temple? Timothy McVeigh left a big message in the Gideon Bible in that Motel these are Gideon Forces at work here. Silverstein - 7 Wold Trade Center was his building as I recall - the 47 story - and in it was the CIA holed up with the Mayor of New York? What about this gold - and this crushed truck containing all the gold..see the plan in making, killing many birds with two stones - symbolized by the Fiery Flying Serpent of David Koresh? This stuff reeks of CIA and Mossad for the Mossad - remember what happened to JFK and RFK who wanted to wipe out the Jewish Mafia and couldn't even say the word jew out loud - for it is Zionism that is turning our country into a freak show Remember the Israeli running from the World Trade Center screaming Now We Are All Israelis..like hell we are. Osama is a cats paw, but for whom? He has done more to destroy Muslims than the Jews - and the word just might be collusion between jews and these so called born again Muslims - intent to get USA to kill off royal family in Saudi Arabia to b egin with - These Zionists want the gold, oil and drugs.they come now in disguse - the veil through which we cannot see. Now We Are All Israelisstrange remark as one flees leaving what they thought to be 50,000 people maybe dying? Giuliano and the Port Authority - and this proposed Trade Free Zone in Israel All proposed by Larry Silverstein who will not get 3 to 5 billion in insurance money for he had the terrorist stuff put in the lease..all packed and ready to blow. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [ctrl] Critics Blast Bush Order on Papers
http://www.truthout.com/11.03A.Bush.Order.htm November 2, 2001 Critics Blast Bush Order on Papers By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 7:56 a.m. ET WASHINGTON (AP) -- One historian calls it a disaster for history, but the White House insists a new executive order issued by President Bush balances the public's right to see the records of past presidents with a need to protect national security. Advocates for the release of government documents say the executive order violates the spirit of the 1978 Presidential Records Act and will usher in a new era of secrecy for papers left behind by America's chief executives. The White House says the order simply sets up a procedure for implementing the act and gives former presidents more authority to claim executive privilege to withhold certain papers. Absent compelling circumstances, the incumbent president will agree with a former president's decision to disclose or withhold documents, the White House says. Bruce Craig, director of the National Coordinating Committee for the Promotion of History, claims the order is blatantly unlawful top to bottom. He predicted a quick legal challenge to the order, which probably will come up at a hearing Tuesday by a House Government Reform subcommittee. The hearing was scheduled for last month but was canceled in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 terror attacks. Craig said that under the order, if a former president says certain papers are privileged, they will remain secret even if the sitting president disagrees. Conversely, if a sitting president says certain papers from a past administration are privileged, they will remain under wraps even if the former president disagrees. In the interest of keeping historical papers closed, the incumbent president can trump the wishes of a former president, says Craig, who claims the order is a disaster for history. In a letter, Bruce Lindsey, lawyer for the William J. Clinton Foundation, said the former president objects to Bush's executive order because laws already exist to restrict disclosure of sensitive documents, The Washington Post reported Friday. The act affects the presidential papers of Clinton, Bush's father, George H.W. Bush, and Ronald Reagan. It also applies to vice presidential papers, including those of former President Bush. Reagan's papers are the first governed by the Presidential Records Act, which followed Watergate and Richard Nixon's attempts to hold on to his papers and tape recordings. The act made presidential records the property of government, not ex-presidents. Some 68,000 pages of Reagan's White House records, including vice presidential papers from the elder Bush, were supposed to have been opened under the law in January, 12 years after Reagan left office. The White House delayed the release three times to review constitutional and legal questions, and Thursday's executive order resulted. White House counsel Alberto Gonzales defended Bush's executive order but did not say when the Reagan papers would be opened to the public. White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said the order provides a safety valve for a current administration. A former president, out of office for 12 years, might not recognize national security implications of releasing certain documents, he said. Fleischer emphasized that except in very compelling cases, if a former president were to say `That (document) should go out,' this administration would say, It should go out. Moreover, any claims of executive privilege, including those involving military, diplomatic or national security secrets, legal work or advice, presidential communications or the deliberative processes of the president and his advisers, can be appealed in court, Gonzales said. It will not be driven by politics or what looks good. It will driven by what is allowed under the Constitution, Gonzales said. Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists' government secrecy project, thinks the order will make it harder for the public to gain access to historically valuable presidential papers because both the former president and the incumbent must consent to disclosure. A private citizen will have little luck trying to persuade a court to overturn a claim of executive privilege, he said. When Joe Blow goes into court to overturn it, he's probably going to lose, Aftergood said. Some historians, including American University historian Anna Nelson, have suspected the Bush White House is worried about what the Reagan papers might reveal about officials now working for President Bush who also worked for Reagan. Among them are Secretary of State Colin Powell, Budget Director Mitch Daniels Jr. and White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card. Gonzales says that is not the reason. There may in fact be embarrassing documents, he said, but that would not be considered a legitimate reason to withhold something. Other historians suggest the White House is taking advantage
