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Eagle I - On TV recently there was an item and I did not catch it all, on FOX or MSNBC, I'm having this checked out, I should know soon. Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Has anyone heard about this?
I'm really not surprised. Subject: VOTE NO ON Bill 602P I guess the warnings were true. Federal Bill 602P 5-cents per E-mailSent. It figures! No more free E-mail! We knew this was coming!! Bill 602P will permit the Federal Government to charge a 5-cent charge on every delivered E-mail. Please read the following carefully if you intend to stay online, and continue using E-mail. The last few months have revealed an alarming trend in the Government of the United States attempting to quietly push through legislation that will affect our use of the Internet. Under proposed legislation, the US Postal Service will be attempting to bill E-mail users out of "alternative postage fees". Bill 602P will permit the Federal Government to charge a 5-cent surcharge on every E-Mail delivered, by billing Internet Service Providers at source. The consumer would then be billed in turn by the ISP. Washington DC lawyer Richard Stepp is working without pay to prevent this legislation from becoming law. The US Postal Service is claiming lost revenue, due to the proliferation of E-mail,is costing nearly $230,000,000 in revenue per year. You may have noticed their recent ad campaign: There is nothing like a letter." Since the average person received about 10 pieces of E-mail per day in 1998, the cost of the typical individual would be an additional 50 cents a day - or over $180 per year - above and beyond their regular Internet costs. Note that this would be money paid directly to the US Postal Service for a service they do not even provide. The whole point of the Internet is democracy and on interference. You are already paying an exorbitant price for snail mail because of bureaucratic efficiency. It currently takes up to 6 days for a letter to be delivered from coast to coast. If the US Postal Service is allowed to tinker with E-mail, it will mark the end of the "free" Internet in the United States. Our congressional representative, Tony Schnell (R) has even suggested a "$20-$40 per month surcharge on all Internet service" above and beyond the governments proposed E-mail charge. Note that most of the major newspapers have ignored the story the only exception being the Washingtonian - which called the idea of E-mail surcharge "a useful concept who's time has come" (March 6th, 1999 Editorial). Do not sit by and watch your freedom erode away! Send this to E-mail to EVERYONE on your list, and tell all your friends and relatives write their congressional representative and say "NO" to Bill 602P. It will only take a few moments of your time and could very well be instrumental in killing a bill we do not want. Please forward 602P Sorry it is so long. ^i^Angel . Visit the Eagle 1 Observer"Observing the World Around You"http://www.crayon.net/read.cgi?[EMAIL PROTECTED] " I believe that every individual is naturally entitled to do ashe pleases with himself and the fruits of his labor, so far asit in no way interferes with any other men's rights." - Abraham Lincoln .
Re: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this?
This is a hoax. - Original Message - From: Eagle 1 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 8:09 AM Subject: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this? I'm really not surprised. Subject: VOTE NO ON Bill 602P I guess the warnings were true. Federal Bill 602P 5-cents per E-mail
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I've heard of it -- at http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blemtax2.htm __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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OK... Thanks Tenorlove! Appreciate the insight.. However, I still do not put past the government to find a way to TAX the internet. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Tenorlove" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this? I've heard of it -- at http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blemtax2.htm __ . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this?
Eagle I - On TV recently there was an item and I did not catch it all, on FOX or MSNBC, where the US Post Office is going to make use of the internet and there will be a charge - not sure what they want to do, but it would be first big foot in door.some kind of a mail service for which you would receive a monthly fee - and would probably be hooked up to something government controlled. This is the beginning and it went by without much noticeit was not on E Mail, but something about hooking up with banks to pay bills, etc., and you paid so much a month for the service. No way they could charge for us sending E Mails; I already pay a monthly bill for Web TV service and the only thing I hate is this battery operated keyboard which drags along and will no exceed certain speeds.then is time to change the battery. I am concerned about these free E Mail Services, for if US Post Office starts such a thing, AOL and Yahoo and others will follow. More jobs would be lost presumably and pretty soon it would be just another racket - like Cable TV - we still have to watch advertising while paying for this service - more like double dipping? So now today our phone company is in the cable TV service and as ususal, talk about price fixing and violation of anti trust laws - prices go up, not down and yet cable and tv is nothing now but controlled propaganda through writers, etc. No Senate or House Bill has a letter P - they are HB-0 for SB- and maybe an R for a Resolution.But that item circulates and is a reminder that something is brewing. So maybe someone wants to check out this US Postal Service - for they are getting into the business as is on drawing board, providing their own mail servicethen someday maybe they buy out the others? Bigi mergers now - and when these people merge - stock goes up but from where do they make the big bucks with free service? A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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E-Mails sometimes already have paid advertisements attached. There is another list that I am on that has one of those pay per clicks attached to the e-mails. Others are run or supported or carried by companies like a hospital, a magazine or like this list by AOL which owns Time/Warner and Netscape among others. If you do not think that the company monitors the list or has list monitors of one type or another Especially on what amounts to a news list like this one. The internet is supported by advertising - these may be called e-MAILs but they are no more mail then checking out a changing web page. Person to Person (car, plane, ect) traveling to check out stores and their advertisements Mail with signatures that "can" not be changed Phone with the person's voice that you recognize electronic communication Does an e-mail replace a letter? Does a Thank You phone call replace a Thank You note? Does a Thank You note replace a gift? Does a Gift replace the time spent delivering it in person? how much is your time worth and the person you are Thanking? If this is classed the same as a letter or otherwise it would prove that America has lost it's basic manners and worth. ThePiedPiper 13August2000 Aleisha Saba wrote: Eagle I - On TV recently there was an item and I did not catch it all, on FOX or MSNBC, where the US Post Office is going to make use of the internet and there will be a charge - not sure what they want to do, but it would be first big foot in door.some kind of a mail service for which you would receive a monthly fee - and would probably be hooked up to something government controlled. This is the beginning and it went by without much noticeit was not on E Mail, but something about hooking up with banks to pay bills, etc., and you paid so much a month for the service. No way they could charge for us sending E Mails; I already pay a monthly bill for Web TV service and the only thing I hate is this battery operated keyboard which drags along and will no exceed certain speeds.then is time to change the battery. I am concerned about these free E Mail Services, for if US Post Office starts such a thing, AOL and Yahoo and others will follow. More jobs would be lost presumably and pretty soon it would be just another racket - like Cable TV - we still have to watch advertising while paying for this service - more like double dipping? So now today our phone company is in the cable TV service and as ususal, talk about price fixing and violation of anti trust laws - prices go up, not down and yet cable and tv is nothing now but controlled propaganda through writers, etc. No Senate or House Bill has a letter P - they are HB-0 for SB- and maybe an R for a Resolution.But that item circulates and is a reminder that something is brewing. So maybe someone wants to check out this US Postal Service - for they are getting into the business as is on drawing board, providing their own mail servicethen someday maybe they buy out the others? Bigi mergers now - and when these people merge - stock goes up but from where do they make the big bucks with free service? A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- Any person can stand adversity, The true test is to give a person power. If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will be. Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus. "I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of others to differ from me in opinion" Thomas Jefferson brbr My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people: those who do the work and those who take the credit. He
Re: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this?
A. Saba I totally agree with your posting below; and couldn't have said it better. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this? Eagle I - On TV recently there was an item and I did not catch it all, on FOX or MSNBC, where the US Post Office is going to make use of the internet and there will be a charge - not sure what they want to do, but it would be first big foot in door.some kind of a mail service for which you would receive a monthly fee - and would probably be hooked up to something government controlled. This is the beginning and it went by without much noticeit was not on E Mail, but something about hooking up with banks to pay bills, etc., and you paid so much a month for the service. No way they could charge for us sending E Mails; I already pay a monthly bill for Web TV service and the only thing I hate is this battery operated keyboard which drags along and will no exceed certain speeds.then is time to change the battery. I am concerned about these free E Mail Services, for if US Post Office starts such a thing, AOL and Yahoo and others will follow. More jobs would be lost presumably and pretty soon it would be just another racket - like Cable TV - we still have to watch advertising while paying for this service - more like double dipping? So now today our phone company is in the cable TV service and as ususal, talk about price fixing and violation of anti trust laws - prices go up, not down and yet cable and tv is nothing now but controlled propaganda through writers, etc. No Senate or House Bill has a letter P - they are HB-0 for SB- and maybe an R for a Resolution.But that item circulates and is a reminder that something is brewing. So maybe someone wants to check out this US Postal Service - for they are getting into the business as is on drawing board, providing their own mail servicethen someday maybe they buy out the others? Bigi mergers now - and when these people merge - stock goes up but from where do they make the big bucks with free service? A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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Thank you... Robert, Tenorlove provided a good link for info on this... http://urbanlegends.about.com/science/urbanlegends/library/blemtax2.htm But one can't help but wonder what, indeed, will happen with the future of email and internet services when it comes down to anti-trust laws and all the internet providers, some of which are becoming very large conglomerates. Just keeping my eyes open to the possibilities! :-) eagle 1 - Original Message - From: Robert F. Tatman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this? This is a hoax. - Original Message - From: Eagle 1 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 8:09 AM Subject: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this? I'm really not surprised. Subject: VOTE NO ON Bill 602P I guess the warnings were true. Federal Bill 602P 5-cents per E-mail
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On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:25:48 -0500, ThePiedPiper [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: E-Mails sometimes already have paid advertisements attached. Yes, if you use Yahoo Mail or some other free e-mail provider, they attach an advertisement. They probably attach an ad if you use a free ISP, too. I use Earthlink and they don't attach ads to e-mails, but I pay $19.95 a month for my service. Does an e-mail replace a letter? Does a Thank You phone call replace a Thank You note? Does a Thank You note replace a gift? Does a Gift replace the time spent delivering it in person? how much is your time worth and the person you are Thanking? If this is classed the same as a letter or otherwise it would prove that America has lost it's basic manners and worth. Or perhaps people need to get over themselves. I don't expect to be thanked in person. I don't have to be thanked at all, but if somebody wants to, an e-mail is fine with me. I don't want to be thanked as much as I would like to know if the item(s) I've given will be useful. If it is, I may send similar items. If I get no response at all, I may assume that the item wasn't useful and I won't send as often or I won't send the same types of items. What it boils down to is, I treat others how I expect to be treated. I don't need to be told "thank you" face to face, via letter as opposed to e-mail, or anything. Simply knowing the item was received and not lost somewhere is plenty for me. Therefore I feel somewhat uncomfortable when people hover over me expecting a thank you that I wouldn't want for myself. Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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Involuntary wrote: On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:25:48 -0500, ThePiedPiper [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: Does an e-mail replace a letter? Does a Thank You phone call replace a Thank You note? Does a Thank You note replace a gift? Does a Gift replace the time spent delivering it in person? how much is your time worth and the person you are Thanking? If this is classed the same as a letter or otherwise it would prove that America has lost it's basic manners and worth. Or perhaps people need to get over themselves. I don't expect to be thanked in person. I don't have to be thanked at all, but if somebody wants to, an e-mail is fine with me. I don't want to be thanked as much as I would like to know if the item(s) I've given will be useful. If it is, I may send similar items. If I get no response at all, I may assume that the item wasn't useful and I won't send as often or I won't send the same types of items. What it boils down to is, I treat others how I expect to be treated. I don't need to be told "thank you" face to face, via letter as opposed to e-mail, or anything. Simply knowing the item was received and not lost somewhere is plenty for me. Therefore I feel somewhat uncomfortable when people hover over me expecting a thank you that I wouldn't want for myself. Ty Amen! It's the thought behind the gesture that counts. Many "manners" have turned into rituals that have lost their emotional content over the years. "How do you do?" "Fine, thank you. And you?" Many perform them because they feel they must, not out of any true desire. -- ´´ Mark McHugh A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
